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AP Fact Check: Plenty to Question in GOP Debate

WASHINGTON (AP) — When Michele Bachmann accused Newt Gingrich in the latest Republican debate of once supporting a cap-and-trade program to curb global warming, he huffily denied it and told her she should get her facts straight.

Actually, she did.

As recently as 2007, Gingrich “strongly supported” the idea.

Viewers did not always get the straight goods Saturday night from other presidential hopefuls, either.

Mitt Romney erred in saying Barack Obama was the only president to cut Medicare. If Rick Perry been a betting man, he probably would have lost the $10,000 wager Romney wanted to make with him to settle competing assertions.

A look at how some of the claims from the Saturday night debate and Sunday talk show aftermath compare with the facts:

BACHMANN: “If you look at Newt-Romney, they were for cap-and-trade.”

GINGRICH: “Well, Michele, a lot of what you say just isn’t true, period. I have never — I oppose cap-and-trade. I testified against it the same day that Al Gore testified for it. I helped defeat it in the Senate through American Solutions. It is simply untrue. … You know, I think it’s important for you, and this is a fair game and everybody gets to pick fights. It’s important that you be accurate when you say these things. Those are not true.”

THE FACTS: Bachmann’s suggestion that Gingrich and Romney are in lockstep was oversimplified. But she was right that Gingrich once backed the idea of capping carbon emissions and letting polluters trade emission allowances.

Asked in a 2007 PBS “Frontline” interview about President George W. Bush’s endorsement of mandatory carbon caps in his 2000 campaign, Gingrich said: “I think if you have mandatory carbon caps combined with a trading system, much like we did with sulfur, and if you have a tax-incentive program for investing in the solutions, that there‘s a package there that’s very, very good. And frankly, it’s something I would strongly support.”

To be sure, Gingrich opposed a Democratic version of cap-and-trade when it was adopted by the House. It died in the Senate. Many Republicans considered it a market-distorting cap-and-tax plan instead.

Although most candidates disavow the idea now, cap-and-trade once enjoyed substantial Republican support because it sought to use market mechanisms, not the heavy hand of government, to control pollution. Congress in 1990 passed a law with overwhelming bipartisan support that set up a trading system for sulfur dioxide, the main culprit behind acid rain.

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ROMNEY: “Let’s not forget, only one president has ever cut Medicare for seniors in this country and it’s Barack Obama. We’re going to remind him of that time and time again.”

THE FACTS: Obama is at least the third president to sign cuts in Medicare that were passed by Congress.

The 1990 budget law signed by Republican President George H.W. Bush raised premiums paid by Medicare beneficiaries and cut payments to hospitals, doctors and other providers.

The 1997 balanced budget law signed by Democratic President Bill Clinton scaled back Medicare payments to hospitals, home health agencies, nursing homes and other providers, as well as raising monthly premiums paid by older people. It reduced projected payment rates for doctors, putting in place automatic cuts that Congress routinely has waived ever since.

The law signed by Obama strengthens traditional Medicare by improving preventive care and increasing payments to primary care doctors and nurses serving as medical coordinators, but reduces subsidies to private insurance plans that have become a popular alternative to Medicare.

Obama is cutting about 6 percent of spending from Medicare over 10 years. Clinton and a Republican Congress came up with cuts of 12 percent.

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PERRY: “I’m listening to you, Mitt, and I’m hearing you say all the right things. But I read your first book, and it said in there that your mandate in Massachusetts — which should be the model for the country — and I know it came out of the reprint of the book, but, you know, I’m just saying, you were for individual mandates, my friend.”

ROMNEY: “You know what, you’ve raised that before, Rick. And you’re simply wrong. … $10,000 bet?”

PERRY: “I’m not in the betting business but … I’ll show you the book.”

ROMNEY: “I’ve got the book and I wrote the book.”

THE FACTS: At issue is a modification Romney made to his 2010 book, “No Apology,” when it came out in paperback this year. Perry has several times accused the former Massachusetts governor of cutting a passage that proposed making the health insurance mandate in his state national, as Obama has done with his health care law.

The Texas governor did so again on “Fox News Sunday” when he contended Romney’s hardcover edition “clearly stated that individual mandates should be the model for this country and then he took that out of the book in the paperback.”

There is little question Romney altered the words to dissociate himself more clearly from Obama’s plan. But the book and its excised passage did not call for Romney’s plan to go national. At most, it held out the Massachusetts plan as a possible model for some states, not the federal government, while emphasizing that states should find their own solutions.

The book pitched what Romney called his state’s achievement, affordable insurance that covers everyone, and said, “We can accomplish the same thing for everyone in the country, and it can be done without letting government take over health care.” That came out.

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RON PAUL: “We have dumped the debt on the American people through TARP funding as well as the Federal Reserve. So the debt is dumped onto people. And what did we do? We bailed out the people that were benefiting during the formation of the bubble. So as long as we do that, we’re not going to have economic growth.”

THE FACTS: The $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program was proposed by President George W. Bush and passed by Congress in 2008 to help rescue banks and other imperiled financial institutions. Nearly all of the money has been paid back, with interest.

Most economists credit the program with keeping the financial system from freezing up and helping to prevent the worst recession in 30 years from becoming another Great Depression. The Federal Reserve does not operate on taxpayer money and does not receive any operating funds from the Treasury. In fact, it makes money every year from its banking operations, and turns over profits to the Treasury.

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GINGRICH: “In 1993, in fighting Hillarycare, virtually every conservative saw the mandate as a less dangerous future than what Hillary was trying to do. … After Hillarycare disappeared, it became more and more obvious that mandates have all sorts of problems built into them. People gradually tried to find other techniques. I, frankly, was floundering, trying to find a way to make sure that people who could afford it were paying their hospital bills, while still leaving it out for libertarians to not buy insurance. And that’s what we were wrestling with. It’s now clear that the mandate, I think, is clearly unconstitutional.”

THE FACTS: Gingrich is right that some conservatives, himself included, once supported the idea of requiring everyone to have health insurance, and that they held this view when Hillary Rodham Clinton was leading the White House effort to overhaul the health care system even more broadly.

But his suggestion that he dropped the idea after the Clinton health care overhaul failed is misleading. In recent years, including in his 2008 book, Gingrich endorsed the idea of making people buy health insurance or posting a bond if they wanted to go without coverage, and he contended this year that “all of us have a responsibility to help pay for health care.”

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ROMNEY: “One, make sure that our employer tax rates are competitive with other nations. They’re not now. We’re the highest in the world.”

THE FACTS: Japan’s corporate tax rate is the highest in the world. The U.S. top rate of 35 percent would be second, except that few companies pay the full rate because of a variety of loopholes and tax breaks not available in many other countries.

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GINGRICH: “It starts very simply, taxes — lower taxes, less regulation, an American energy plan and actually be positive about people who create jobs. The opposite of the Obama plan, which is higher taxes, more regulation, no American energy and attack people who create jobs with class warfare.”

THE FACTS: By “no American energy,” Gingrich really meant Obama has not exploited enough American energy in his opinion, but that’s how the former House speaker talks, shorn of nuance and often overreaching.

On taxes, the record is more complex than Gingrich suggests in asserting that Obama plots merely to raise them. He is not the only GOP candidate to ignore the hefty tax cuts that Obama has pushed for and achieved, as well as some tax increases.

Overall, as a share of the nation’s economy, federal tax revenues are the lowest they’ve been since 1950.

For the third straight year, U.S. families will pay less in federal taxes than they did under Bush. Much of this is due both to recent tax breaks and the weak economy. Obama has called for extending Bush-era tax cuts for all but the wealthiest Americans, and for extending and expanding the 2011 tax cut in the federal payroll tax, which finances Social Security and Medicare.

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Associated Press writers Dina Cappiello, Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar, Tom Raum, Nancy Benac, Jim Drinkard, Bradley Klapper and Christopher S. Rugaber contributed to this report.

Comments (140)

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  • grandmaof5
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 8:09am

    If the AP had the guts to “fact check” Obama, they could triple their staff; afterall, if his lips are moving, he is lying. That will never happen, but we can dream.

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    • smackdown33
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 8:26am

      I am finding out that facts are becoming meaningless. Here, on this blog site, facts that do not violate Blaze policy are selectively not being posted.

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    • Vechorik
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 8:43am

      A “young Romney” photo — true then, true now. LOL Look for this one in political ads one day!

      http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/4e987cd86bb3f74575000007/mitt-romney-bain-capital.jpg

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    • Vechorik
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 9:36am

      They are wrong about Ron Paul’s statement. What they are not taking into consideration:

      You give me 1 OZ of gold worth $1000/ounce.

      1 year later I give you .5 OZ of gold when it is at $2000/ounce.

      Have I paid back your original sum?

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    • Tower7_TRUTH
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 9:45am

      Ron Paul was telling the truth all money created by the Private Federal Reserve
      is DEBT to the American people, I’ll bet any of you $10,000 on that.

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    • Stopit
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 9:58am

      Also, didn’t we just find out that actually the FED gave 7+ trillion in funds to the banks during the TARP program. Not specifically identified with tarp, but funneled to the banks then nonetheless.

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    • thegrassroots
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 10:26am

      @ smackdown33

      You are absolutely right! I experienced TheBlaze’ selective posting yesterday, twice. I challenged another poster who was rationalizing Romney’s violation of Mormon beliefs, when Romney offered his $10,000. bet.

      TheBlaze probably didn’t like that I was referencing the gambling page on whatmormonsbelieve.org and expecting Romney, and that poster, to walk the talk instead of rationalizing why they don’t.

      I also pointed out that Romney talks his religion only if “the winds” show favor. ie: At first Romney distanced himself from Mormonism. After seeing how voters like to hear candidates openly speaking about their beliefs, ie: the Christian candidates, Romney started talking up his beliefs, even bragging during the debate about how he was a pastor.

      What say you, TheBlaze, about your “selective posting?” Are you willing to be honest enough to post the comments that challenge Mormons to live up to their beliefs instead of rationalizing why they don’t?

      You certainly post EVERTHING pro & con Christiantity and EVERYTHING pro & con Atheism, etc. How about posting EVERYTHING pro & con Mormonism? It will be interesting to see if you post “this” in its entirety.

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    • conservativenation2012
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 10:57am

      @grassroots
      You speak in very general terms towards Mormons. Who is to say that they don’t live their doctrine? It sounds like you’ve joined the liberal media in believing that Romney was actually serious about the bet. Your comments sound very ill conceived Imo.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 11:05am

      Here’s the reality….NO GOP CANDIDATE WILL ENACT CAP AND TRADE TODAY! Not a single candidate will seek to impose cap and trade. Nor will they seek an individual mandate like Obamacare’s. We saw over the weekend in Durban South Africa that indeed, the Obama administration and democrats will seek cap and trade and gladly agree to third world kleptocracies taking billions of American tax payer dollars. The AP can “Fact Check” all it wants to but the reality is that cap and trade and individual mandates are political suicide for the GOP. Futhermore…Gingrich is correct, he testified against cap and trade. What the AP is trying to do is sow doubt and discontent among GOP voters. Obama has to go…that’s priority number one everything else is incidental.

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    • thegrassroots
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 11:28am

      @ conservativenation2012

      If you will re-read my above post, you will see that I referenced the “gambling” page on whatmormonsbelieve.org. You Can Look It Up Just Like I Did.

      Also, the Romney campaign trail is Easy To Follow! You Can Look It Up and you will see how easily Romney shifts his position. He very glibly goes from distancing himself from Mormonism to recently talking about his Mormon beliefs, even bragging about being a pastor.

      By His Own Words, Romney has revealed that he doesn’t speak from a position of integrity, he only says what he thinks voters want to hear. Romney’s Just Another Version Of BHO.

      It Might Be A Good idea, Conservativenation2012, To Do The Homework Before You Speak!

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    • Vechorik
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 11:42am

      Oh brother — everyone expected Romney to stick it to Gingrich after the debate, but Ron Paul beat him to it — THIS is the video I’ve been waiting for — shows how Gingrich “follows the money” He’s a crook, plain and simple.

      antiGingrich: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRdqGKA782A

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    • MacPharlan
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 12:09pm

      @thegrassroots,

      Yes we (Mormons) are counseled that we should not gamble, it is a bad addiction, and it is wise counsel. But I would not call this gambling, calling someone out on a lie and saying “Bet me, if your so sure, put your money where your mouth is” is not the same as going down to the casino and hoping on chance that you get something for nothing (not working for it).

      Pulling at hairs here my friend trying to attack the Mormon faith over this, and nice website by the way, but I would suggest that if you want to ‘learn’ what we believe that you go somewhere else that is not set on destroying someones faith.

      Try mormon.com or lds.org if you want info, you can get doctrine, talks from the Apostles and Prophet, you can judge for yourself instead of from someone with an motive.

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    • marvel
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 12:49pm

      @thegrassroots

      Too bad you are not the authority on what Mormons consider gambling. Romney wasn’t gambling anyway. It’s only a gamble if you wager money on uncertain outcomes.

      Romney is certain of the outcome, having written the book himself, and knowing his own stance on the matter. And the AP just provided evidence to support it.

      In case you are not aware, Mormons also engage in competition and investment in the market place, where those activities often involve a considerable amount of risk. Many Mormons are entrepeneurs, and put up considerable capital betting on their ability to make something of themselves based on their faith and hard work. That’s not gambling.

      Gambling is spending your time at the casino wasting your life away hoping for the “big win” with little effort on your own part, or using your last dollars at the 7-Eleven to buy a pack a cigarettes and some lottery tickets.

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    • godlovinmom
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 1:09pm

      Ok…since were talking about Romney and his mormon faith…how come mormons can’t drink, smoke, gamble but can sure sell it to everyone else..ie…albertsons, safeway etc…If mormonism is a christian faith, then I’m no christian…About the only thing I disgree with Glen about…oh yeah and the way he really plays up this happy marriage of his…too bad its his second wife, but thats ok with mormons too isn’t it?

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    • thegrassroots
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 1:15pm

      @ macpharlan

      whatmormonsbelieve.org appears to be a pro-Mormon site, by Mormons, about Mormons. It doesn’t appear to be a site with an anti-Mormon agenda. Which is why I looked at that particular site.

      Please don’t misunderstand me. The issue isn‘t that Romney’s a Mormon. The issue is, Romney doesn’t stand by his beliefs and let the chips fall where they will. If a person is dedicated to his belief system, he won’t rationalize and waffle. His belief system will define his behavior.

      Like I previously suggested, take a look at Romney’s campaign trail. It’s only recently that Romney has spoken openly about his religion. It’s obvious that only after Romney saw that voters are responding favorably to the Christian candidates who have been speaking openly about their beliefs all along, that Romney started to openly speak about his religion.

      I‘m not against Romney because he’s a Mormon, I’m against Romney because he rationalizes and waffles about what should be the very basis of his being. That in itself reveals a man who lacks the conviction and courage of his beliefs, By his own words and behaviors, Romney is a man who is first and foremost a politician and a man who lacks integrity.

      I do have Mormon friends, by the way, who are people of stellar integrity. :-)

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    • marvel
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 1:24pm

      @godlovinmom

      We are actually a pretty tolerant lot, or we should be. I know a Mormon bishop who is (or was) a brewmaster at a Budweiser plant. Our health code is a requirement for us in order to be in good standing within the Church. We don’t impose that standard on others. I tell my children that all the time when they innocently judge others for seemingly breaking our standards.

      I used to give the football players at my high school home made tattoos (because I was good at drawing and they asked for it), but I myself would never do that. I don’t mind buying a bottle a wine for my non-Mormon friends if that is their way of celebrating something. Doesn’t bother me a bit.

      Besides, Mormons come from all walks of life, we’re not perfect. We do our best to live the teachings of Christ, relying wholly on his merits for our salvation.

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    • thegrassroots
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 1:41pm

      @ marvel

      In my hot-off-the-press responses to “conservativenation2012” & “macpharlan,” I‘ve pretty well covered where I’m coming from.

      I’m not speaking against Mormons, I’m challenging the rationalizing and waffling, which is what Romney does and what you are doing here, now, and what you were doing yesterday. My comments to you yesterday were not posted [twice].

      Maybe there’s a different moderator today. :-)

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    • godlovinmom
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 1:44pm

      Marvel, that is exactly my point…do you think Christ Jesus would be putting tattoos on anyone, whether he is a good drawer or not…do you think Jesus would participate in getting his friends drunk but not drink himself, do you think Jesus would look over your income statements so he knows he’s getting his 10%…do you think Jesus would have need of another book, when his words are already there for us…isn’t being a christian to be Christlike….I am sorry, I am not trying to judge anyone, (i’m probably the greatest sinner) I just know a false doctrine when I see one….and I’m not just talking about mormonism….have a good day, my friend!

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    • marvel
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 1:46pm

      @thegrassroots

      Your problem is that you don’t understand our religion. We are really not that uptight about things. We have a few standards that we try to live by, but for the most part we belive God allows us a good bit of freedom in deciding how to apply those standards. For example, many Mormons don’t drink caffeinated drinks, believing that doing so violates at least the spirit of our Word of Wisdom. But many have no problems with it drinking a Cherry Coke (Romney’s favorite).

      But as far as the issue of Romney’s bet. You are wrong. What Romney did is not considered gambling. Plain and simple. Your interpretation of our doctrine is incorrect.

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    • marvel
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 2:06pm

      @thegrassroots

      You said: “I’m not speaking against Mormons, I’m challenging the rationalizing and waffling, which is what Romney does and what you are doing here, now, and what you were doing yesterday.”

      Well, you see what is really happening is that you have interpreted our beliefs incorrectly, and are then trying to use that as a basis to show that Romney is not adhering to his own beliefs. What you are really showing is that he is not adhering to your own erroneous understanding of our beliefs. Until you get our beliefs right to begin with, you are not in a very good position to make your case.

      Would you mind responding to the point that I made.

      According to dictionary.com, gambling is “to stake or risk money, or anything of value, on the outcome of something involving chance: to gamble on a toss of the dice [for example].”

      Since Romney knew that it was certain that he was right right, and therefore not something subject to chance, he is not risking his money on the outcome of something involving chance. Therefore he did not gamble with his money.

      If Romney did not gamble with his money, as you asserted, then he did not waffle on his beliefs (which discourages gambling). This means you have failed to show how this is evidence that Romney waffles.

      Now Romney may have waffled on somethings in his past, but this is not evidence of it.

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    • West Coast Patriot
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 2:17pm

      My wife and I, along with our two sons, were baptized in the Mormon church in 1994. We left the church a few months after because we had some issues that could not be clarified to our acceptance. The first was the pluralty of wives given to Melchisedec Priests. We were told that this was written to allow men to marry women who’s husbands had been killed on their journey to the west. They could not give me an answer to my question where in the Doctrine and Covenants that the women must be virgins, and if the women had been married, how could they be virgins and truly given to the man through Jesus who said; “If you even look at another with lust in your eyes, you have already commited adultery.” I also had a problem with services, where they espoused family togetherness but split the family up during services. Another was the fact that they recorded your tithe in order to give you documentation to declare on taxes. I do not even take the form from Goodwill to do that very thing as I believe if you are truly giving from your heart, you should not put that giving to all the taxpayers.

      Do not get me wrong, the Mormon church does do a lot in the community and for family values, it just did not set right with my wifes and my beliefs.

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    • marvel
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 2:40pm

      @godlovinmom
      You said: “Marvel, that is exactly my point…do you think Christ Jesus would be putting tattoos on anyone, whether he is a good drawer or not…do you think Jesus would participate in getting his friends drunk but not drink himself.”
      Okay. Jesus did create the world and everything that is in it, including all the various substances that people have abused in one way or another since the beginning of time. God, in his great wisdom allows us to make choices for ourselves, and therefore we are free to choose even to consume things that are bad for us. That is the kind of freedom I support in America too. I don’t want to impose my beliefs on others, even those that have consequences like smoking or drinking. That way I can continue to be their friend, and hopefully persuade them that Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ, and that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is his Church upon the earth. Then, they can decide for themselves to live the teachings of Christ as we understand them.

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    • marvel
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 2:45pm

      @godlovinmom
      You also said: “do you think Jesus would look over your income statements so he knows he’s getting his 10%…do you think Jesus would have need of another book, when his words are already there for us…isn’t being a christian to be Christlike….I am sorry, I am not trying to judge anyone, (i’m probably the greatest sinner) I just know a false doctrine when I see one….and I’m not just talking about mormonism….have a good day, my friend!”

      It appears to me that you don’t believe that my religion is correct. I get it. Being a believer myself, I’m not aware of any false doctrine being taught in the Church, and the examples you listed seemed to be kind of off the cuff. Are you really interested in talking about tithing, the Book of Mormon, being Christlike, etc… or are you just letting me know some things you take issue with?

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    • godlovinmom
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:00pm

      Marvel…I take “issue” with false doctrines…and mormonism is one…Did Jesus not warn us of this…you go ahead and be a mormon, thats between you and God, but I know truth or lies for that matter when I see them…and mormonism or the book of mormon is a false doctrine…tell me this…why as a mormon do you need another book, when we have the gospels?…why as a mormon do you have to tithed 10%…is this not to be done in secret…its not secret if they are keeping records of your income…I’ve had plenty of time to study different religions, and most are false….not just picking on mormons, just the comments are flowing that way.

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    • marvel
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:47pm

      @godlovinmom

      You said: “Marvel…I take “issue” with false doctrines…and mormonism is one…Did Jesus not warn us of this…you go ahead and be a mormon, thats between you and God, but I know truth or lies for that matter when I see them…and mormonism or the book of mormon is a false doctrine…”

      Jesus did warn us of false doctrines, prophets, and teachers in the last days before his second coming (See Matt. 24:3-8) and so did the Apostle Paul (2 Tim. 4:3-4). But what makes your interpretation of scripture correct and mine supposedly false? Latter-day saints believe that the same Church and authority that Christ established when he was on the earth fell away due to apostasy (See 2 Thes. 2:3), and that it was eventually restored to the earth again by Jesus through Joseph Smith. We claim that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the restored Church of Jesus Christ. So, obviously we believe our doctrine is correct and in harmony with the doctrine taught in the Bible.

      We are obviously unfazed by the rest of Christendom’s claims that theirs is true and ours is false, since we believe that the many denominations of Christianity are products of the above mentioned apostasy. In part, we believe that many of the various flavors of Christianity are a realization of the prophesies concerning false doctrines in the last days.

      What we have here is a classic situation of both partisans claiming to be right and that the other is wrong.

      More to co

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    • marvel
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:58pm

      @godlovinmom

      You also said: “tell me this…why as a mormon do you need another book, when we have the gospels?”

      Okay, concerning “other books”. The short answer to why we “need” another book, is simply that God gave us another book. It is God who provided the book and the translation to the Book of Mormon. Obviously he felt it necessary at this time to open the heavens again and reveal his will to a prophet as he has always done.

      It is clearly your belief that no other books are either needed or possible. The Bible does not substantiate your belief, however, and on the contrary, it provides evidence of how God has always dealt with mankind. He chooses a prophet, reveals his will to the prophet, and the prophet teaches and causes the words to be written down for others to read. Others in turn, can find out for themselves directly from God if what they read or hear is true, and God reveals the truth of it to the inquirer by way of the Spirit. There is no reason to believe that God would operate in any other way today as he did anciently, if He indeed is an unchanging God.

      Bear with me as I write my responses. The space is limited. Next up, tithing…

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    • marvel
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 4:14pm

      @godlovinmom

      “…why as a mormon do you have to tithed 10%…is this not to be done in secret…its not secret if they are keeping records of your income…”

      I think you are confusing the payment of tithing with the giving of alms, which Christ teaches we must give in secret for sure (See Matt. 6:4). Either way, latter-day saints pay tithing in “secret” right along with our charitable contributions. We do not pass a collection plate around, or pay it to be seen of men. The Bishop, who is the ecclesiastical leader of an LDS congregation receives the tithes and offerings privately, and those contributions are kept confidential. It is not true that anyone in the Church maintains a record of our income. I’m not sure where you get that. It is an on your honor thing, and once a year we meet with the bishop and he simply asks, “Are you a full tithe payer?” To that we answer yes or no.

      And finally you said: “I’ve had plenty of time to study different religions, and most are false….not just picking on mormons, just the comments are flowing that way.”

      I certainly appreciate your studies, but I think you need to do a little more studying about Mormonism from more reliable sources. A good place to start is lds.org or mormon.org.

      I especially like the following online reference which shows our many doctrines including scripture references.

      http://classic.scriptures.lds.org/en/gs/contents

      Regards,
      Marvel – A God Loving Dad of six :)

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    • thegrassroots
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 4:17pm

      @ marvel

      I know a “spin-doctor” when I encounter one. And, you are one! You have turned rationalization and waffling into an art form. And, That’s Not A Good Thing! You come across as someone who doesn’t have a firm foundation / rock solid values = you make your “values” up as you go along and you’ve probably lost track of your list of “values.”

      There‘s no point in talking values and beliefs with someone who doesn’t have a handle on their own values and beliefs. That would be a tedious, going-no-where, nailing-Jello-to-a-wall, conversation. No Fun!

      From what you are saying to “GodLovinMom,” the Jesus you are talking about knowing, ISN’T Jesus Of The Bible. May I suggest that you get into the Bible and get to know The Lord Jesus Christ. A good place to start reading is the Gospel Of John. In Jesus You Will Find A Rock Solid Foundation. Now, That’s A Good Thing! :-)

      I Wish You Well! :-)

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    • godlovinmom
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 4:28pm

      Marvel…thats cool…you are defending your faith…nothing wrong with that…except…do you follow Christ or the mormon church??…I only find issue with one thing you said…God DID NOT give us the book of mormon…Joseph Smith did. But you like all of us have to find the truth for ourselves.

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    • marvel
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 4:40pm

      @thegrassroots

      I see. Well, you have not demonstrated how Romney, or myself have “waffled” on any issue, nor have you actually responded to any of my arguments. You simply make unfounded assertions. I on the other hand have taken the time to explain my values and beliefs, in as much detail as these forums allow, demonstrating that I do in fact have a handle on my own beliefs. I have also demonstrated to you how Romney was not violating any tenet of our religion concerning “gambling”, and that he did not even meet the criteria of the commonly accepted definition of gambling. Your categorical refusal to concede facts when they are present to you is intellectual dishonesty.

      Lastly, you have demonstrated your ignorance of our religion. The Bible is a book of holy scripture to Latter-day Saints – we study it, preach from it, and live our lives according to it’s precepts. So, if merely “getting into the Bible” is all I need to do to know Jesus, then rest assured. I already have. Jesus of Nazareth, is the Christ, the living Son of the living God.

      But what you really mean is that my interpretation of the Bible is different than yours, and therefore incorrect. That’s really all you have provided. No wonder you think this conversation is “no fun”. You can’t provide any substance to back up your argument.

      Anyway, I can’t force you to continue with me, so I wish you the best.

      Regards,
      Marvel

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    • marvel
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 5:04pm

      @godlovinmom

      You said: “Marvel…thats cool…you are defending your faith…nothing wrong with that…except…do you follow Christ or the mormon church??…

      I follow Christ, who is the chief cornerstone of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which is built upon the Biblical foundation of modern day prophets and apostles (See Eph. 2:20). The risen Lord, Jesus Christ is the head of this Church, and he directs the affairs of the Church by way of revelation to his servants… Exactly as he did anciently.

      You also said: “I only find issue with one thing you said…God DID NOT give us the book of mormon…Joseph Smith did. But you like all of us have to find the truth for ourselves.”

      Well that is the question for sure. Was Joseph Smith actually called of God, as he claimed, and did the Book of Mormon come forth by the gift and power of God as we testify? I have studied the Book of Mormon, comparing it to the Bible, and pondered it’s message in my mind and in my heart, and I have inquired of God of it’s truthfulness. God has made the truth of it known to me, by the power of the Holy Ghost, and my life is better because of it. I cannot deny it without lying to myself and to God.

      I appreciate your sincerity. I don’t detect any guile in you on this matter. God bless you.

      Marvel

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    • godlovinmom
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 5:39pm

      Marvel…one verse really comes to mind when I think of the mormon church…here goes
      Revelation 22:18…For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book. This tells me that the book of mormon is NOT needed and God doesn’t like it…what does it tell you?

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    • godlovinmom
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 5:59pm

      For further info on this subject…go to http://www.biblevslies.com/literature/mormon-tract.pdf…I found nothing in this tract to be false…maybe as a mormon you might. God Bless my friend. :)

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  • olddog
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 7:44am

    Say where were all the hard questions when obumbo was running for pres.??? You know like, Where were you born?? Do you know who your real daddy is..

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    • SpankDaMonkey
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 7:56am

      .
      Do you know who your real daddy is..

      That’s the definition of mass confusion in a minority neighborhood………….

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    • slackjaw79
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 10:48am

      If these comments aren’t racist, I don’t know what is.

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  • recoveringneocon
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 7:39am

    So I guess they are all stupid liars. Oh Wait!
    Santorum 2012

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    • smackdown33
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 7:52am

      Where are the Ron Paul lies?

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    • No Free Beer
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 8:59am

      Yea, the one fact check on Paul doesn’t even say anything. Regardless if they payed TARP back or not, the gov did dump debt on the American people. The American people bailed out Wall Street, did they not? Oh, one more question…was TARP Constitutional? Nope. Gingrich, Romney, and Perry were all for it.

      Ron Paul 2012: Eat. Sleep. Win.

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    • Vechorik
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 9:26am

      Scott Baker copied that “Ron Paul” falsehood from the Globe (almost word for word). Tom Woods issued a statement about it. You can expect a retraction soon (if this place is honest, which I doubt).

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    • warriorspirit
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 2:35pm

      In regards to the Ron Paul “fact check” people might want to read this to understand how a lot of the money was “paid back”. It’s all just a shell game to fool us voters. Ron Paul 2012.
      http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daniel-gross/banks-pay-back-tarp-funds-borrowing-treasury-205658852.html

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  • garyM
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 7:30am

    The AP is a democrat voice, if you listen to this, you might as ask Obama who to vote for or just vote for him!

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    • THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 7:35am

      Its ironic to me how you can see that but then you believe them when they say Dr Ron Paul is unelectable or crazy..makes me wonder if your just a puppet.

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  • garyM
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 7:27am

    GeeeZZZZZ..like all we gotta do is let the AP are some so-called news source tell us who is telling the truth, what crap. If that were true, we’d know every lie Obama told right. People don’t let these meat heads treat you like a sheep with stories like this. Why don’t the moderators just ask the AP questions and save the candidates the trouble of showing up. They are only trying to herd the sheep!

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    • AFeatherAdrift
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 11:24am

      Yeah, just continue to gaze into your crystal ball for answers. Damn the facts!

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  • SUPERTODD
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 7:03am

    Why on earth would The Blaze simply reprint an AP article? Isn’t the point of of coming to this site to get away from main-stream media bias?

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    • slimkendall
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 7:51am

      Word

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    • THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 7:53am

      @ looking for truth…keep looking buddy, you havent found it yet, and actually Dr Ron Paul has a 330+ year track recordvof being consistent towards the Constitution even when he was the only one or voting by himself!

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    • SecularConservative
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 7:59am

      MSM media is trying to brainwash/convince that Newt and Mitt are the only ones with a shot and that people should vote for one of those two or risk “wasting” their vote. Sad state of affairs…

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    • THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 8:00am

      Correction 30+ years

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    • Vechorik
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 9:31am

      They should have fact-checked Bachmann on saying “I’m the most consistant candidate” — as she has about 5 non-conservative counts against her in the short time she has served.

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  • jcizarter
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 6:51am

    The only person I will vote for believes in following the constitution.
    I will not vote because they call themselves Conservatives. None of these people believe in the Constitution or following what it calls for, except Ron Paul. He will win and he will be the best President ever. Bring our troops home to defend US.

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    • THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 6:54am

      Yes my fellow American, the A.P forgot to mention those facts.

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    • Look for the truth
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 7:08am

      the only person I have ever really considered voting for
      is SANTORUM!

      He is the only one not changing views and contradicting himself
      after I watched the first debate, I told my wife
      “thats the guy.”
      vote your heart not your head

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    • smackdown33
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 7:08am

      Looks more and more like you are correct about Paul being the only Constitutionalist, but you had better believe that the GOP power-brokers, progressives, will not allow him to gain traction. Look how they’ve led the Party sheep to Romney vs. Gingrich.

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    • THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 7:46am

      @Smackdown, you are correct fellow American, that is why we have to fight! If WE THE PEOPLE do not allow them to control through fear we will win, They have created tsa for one reason and that is to instill fear and control over you, they have robbed our liberties under the guise of “ fighting terrorism”. They have given themselves a blank check to rape us and the Constitution. What you can do dear patriot is WHAT WE HAVE DONE, And that is to educate people with the truth, point out the lies and distortion, expain to people that a rino is just as bad if not worse than obama, that is why they deride us Dr Ron Paul supporters, really what they are deriding is their freedom and God given rights to be free!

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    • NOBAMA201258
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 9:58am

      I’m not a big fan of R.P. but if he were the nominee I would vote for him in the general election, we can’t have another 4 years of ollama

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    • RejectFalseIcons
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 11:03am

      I have a feeling with the establishment so heavily focused against Ron Paul, we’re about to see exactly how dirty, underhanded, sneaky and progressive the current republican party really is. Functionally, there is no difference between the republicans and democrats. THEY ARE ALL CROOKS. I’ll support Ron Paul as a GOP candidate, but if the GOP doesn’t start supporting Ron Paul, this will be my last election voting GOP.

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  • smackdown33
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 6:38am

    Just like with Bush, the warning signs are out there on Gingrich and Romney. They are both frauds. Neither are conservative. If you support the status quo, give them your support… but, be prepared to apologize to your grandchildren for being so stupid.

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    • Look for the truth
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 7:09am

      Vote santorum

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    • THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 7:11am

      And isnt it convenient how THE SAME corrupt media machine is glossing over newts numerous affairs, but they destryed herman cain with smoke and no fire…Don’t you think they have their plan..This is what it is, First the media annoints newt, they make sure he gets the nomination by lying stories, uneven coverage and negative coverage of the other canidates, in fact havent you noticed the mainstream has finally started writing the truth about romneycon? Once newt wins the nomination ( in their mind) Pelosi and her minions will easily move in for the kill..We will hear nothing but the truth about newt AFTER he wins the nomination…at that point they win either way..thry have what they want in obama and newt …they are both liberals, one world government, nazicons, nwo shills, hlobal warming freaks, disghonest, they do not and WILL NOT follow the Constitution, they both want power, they both flip flop and have no Love for America in their heart( it is love for power and greed), they both will make things worse for WE THE PEOPLE, They both trampled our Constitutional rights with the Patriot act etc etc etc etc etc etc etc…Only WE THE PEOPLE and Dr Ron Paul are standing in their way at this point, If we lose this one America will be finished off once and for all by these corrupt nazi’s.
      .

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    • smackdown33
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 7:18am

      THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE, you are exactly correct. Remember McCain, the media darling in the GOP primary, then the rodent that he is in the general.
      Romney and Gingrich are the sheeple choices.

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    • THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 7:58am

      @ smackdown,
      Correct, they only have so many plays in their playbook, this play has worked many times sovthey will use it again, the difference this time is we know what they are up to and we don’t want a rino or a liberal in office.

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  • Raider1
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 6:10am

    If some colorful accounting tactics means they repaid the tarp loans….THEN YES. They did pay them back. Now when are these crooked politicians and compliant media going to stop stop lying to us? Insulting the american peoples intelligence and taking us for fools really ****** me off. Nothing will ever be fixed until honesty replaces PC.

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    • TheWholeTruth
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 11:10am

      I would like to know WHY a PRIVATE organization would take the profits it makes from it’s (gag) legitimate business and put it into our Treasury? Seems someone needs to fact check the fact checkers!!!!!

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  • momsense
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 6:09am

    I’d like to ask these cretins in the Ap just where they were when Obozo was spwewing his horse manure.

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  • Diggyme
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 4:16am

    Well if the BLAZE wants to reprint bull crap have at it….all the while you are allowing AP to nitpick at the Reps where is the BLAZE expose of OBAMA who lies every day and whose shelf life of his statements today will expire at the end of the day….BLANK IT BLANK IT where is the nitpick on the BO man? Why don’t we all know he said “let me be clear the Israelis are allies of the Israelis!” Or that we have CORPES MEN in the field 8 times…or that he never includes the CREATOR when he mentions the Declaration…or that for him words are nothing but weapons….where are you BLAZE I am getting awefully bored with your AP rehashes.

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    • oceanbnd
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 5:44am

      Amen to that…AP REHASHES…What is this crap BLAZE?

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    • THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 7:33am

      Open your eyes you clowns, If they push the A.P agenda what are they? Why act so confused? This story is completly true except for their “ fact check” on the federal reserve.
      Glen beck but he DOES NOT represent WE THE PEOPLE. Let me explain to you what is upsetting you about this story…What it is, is that you are sickened and mad at the bias of ALL MAJOR MEDIA, you are mad that the media can only give the facts( they didnt have them right on the fed) when it fits their agenda, It upsets you that they are not doing their job to just report the story with no agenda…Think about this.. Who do you think owns the media? It’s not WE THE PEOPLE! WHEN YOU WAKE UP AND REALIZE THE MEDIA HAS BEEN CONTROLLING OUR COUNTRY FOR GENERATIONS IT MAKES YOU ANGRY. So why do you believe them when YOU KNOW they are nothing but the propaganda arm that keeps the corruption in place and going strong. You my fellow Americans are seeing what Dr Ron Psul supporters have been dealing with for years…Outright lies, twisted stories, distortion, black outs, ridicule, unfair coverage when they do cover, unbalanced, BUT THEY HAVE YOU RINOS convinced Dr Ron Paul is unelectable EVEN as he has NO SKELETONS. Yes my fellow Patriots you are mad because you are finally waking up…welcome to our world..Lets fight these treasonus monsters together ! WE THE PEOPLE!

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  • LIBS-ARE-DINGLEHEADS
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:38am

    “Most economists credit the program with keeping the financial system from freezing up and helping to prevent the worst recession in 30 years from becoming another Great Depression. The Federal Reserve does not operate on taxpayer money and does not receive any operating funds from the Treasury. In fact, it makes money every year from its banking operations, and turns over profits to the Treasury.”

    WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!

    First….“most economists” ….starting their little rebuttal with that line is a hoot. Most economists cannot see their way out of a pee soaked paper bag. AP sleeps with Paul Krugman….enough said on that.

    Second….the Fed PRINTS it’s own money – nice try AP – you bunch of dim wits.

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  • hallkbrdz
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:22am

    RON PAUL: “We have dumped the debt on the American people through TARP funding as well as the Federal Reserve. So the debt is dumped onto people. And what did we do? We bailed out the people that were benefiting during the formation of the bubble. So as long as we do that, we’re not going to have economic growth.”

    Paul is dead on here. Disagree? Watch the movie Inside Job and then explain how all of them (except possibly the few who went to prison) benefited. It just makes me sick.

    When the bubble burst, the best thing we could have done is let them fail. Instead we rewarded them for doing stupid actions. For any big business – failure must always be an option – so that other smarter, or in this case, ethical law-abiding banks take their place.

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    • jaimito
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 9:49am

      Just a small correction, nobody has gone to jail for the credit debaucle/fraud. The few that were arrested were let off the hook. I just watched “Inside Job” last week. Anyone who is still confused about how the banks defrauded us needs to watch that movie.

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  • Psychosis
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 2:21am

    fact check from ap????? Now that’s funny

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    • NOBAMA201258
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 9:52am

      AP= Assinine Propaganda could have a field day with biden and obama if they weren’t so busy campaigning for the demoncrats like the rest of the msm

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    • AFeatherAdrift
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 11:29am

      Yep, stick with World Net Daily. Now that is journalism!

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  • GOA_AMD65
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 2:08am

    “Most economists credit the program (TARP) with keeping the financial system from freezing up and helping to prevent the worst recession in 30 years from becoming another Great Depression. The Federal Reserve does not operate on taxpayer money and does not receive any operating funds from the Treasury. In fact, it makes money every year from its banking operations, and turns over profits to the Treasury.”

    Are you kidding me? Did Ben Bernanke himself write this up? What a joke!

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    • GOA_AMD65
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 2:09am

      Someone needs to fact check AP’s Fact check.

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    • colt1860
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:12am

      And don’t forger that inflation is just a hidden tax on the people. Yep, the Federal Reserve sure does “make money”, but it does something even better than that, it also prints it, and backs it up with nothing of hard substance. They dump a bunch of paper money into the economy, hoping their chosen companies won’t fail, and in doing so, devalue our dollar. How’s that for fact checking?

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    • Citizen1
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:33am

      The FED sure does “make money” by easy credit expansion creating new money out of thin air.

      We are now paying for the “burst bubble” [deflation ouf housing] of 15 years of a housing bubbled pumped up by the FED’s “making money” and monetized by the GSEs Freddie and Fannie.

      Oh and the part about profits “turned over to the Treasury” Gag! AP-Idiots

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    • TheWholeTruth
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 11:27am

      Here’s how it works.. Ready for this? Our Congress tells the Fed how much money they need. The Fed tells the Treasury how much to print. They give it to the Fed who then gives it to the Congress WITH INTEREST. It’s a LOAN.

      Another thing. They don’t use the money from the tax payers, that’s true, they DO collect it as payment on the debt (our debt to THEM) but someone tell me how they can give away 17 TRILLION dollars to banks around the world when there‘s no way there’s been that much paid in by tax payers? It’s EASY when you have the printing press at your disposal.

      You just have to love ol‘ Ben’s answer to “The Constitution says that it (printing and spending) has to come through Congress for approval. When did Congress give that approval?“ His answer ”Congress approved it with the Federal Reserve Act.”

      Or when it was said by Greenspan (I believe) that the Fed doesn’t have to answer to anyone, even the President.

      They had to figure out something to say about Ron Paul. He‘s the only one that’s been absent in these fact checks and it was beginning to become very noticeable. Not being able to come up with FACTS they make things up. They can retract later but it’ll be on the back page of some obscure supermarket tabloid if they do..

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    • TheWholeTruth
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 11:29am

      Clarification here… WITH INTEREST should be AT interest.. meaning we have to pay whatever interest the Fed decides to attach to the ‘loan.’

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  • Sniper342
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 2:05am

    For the third straight year Americans will pay less taxes than they did in the Bush era. Well duh! We don’t have jobs you bunch of weak minded morons. The AP is so obviously biased and transparent in their reports that anything written by them should be lining a bird cage. The problem is you have people like the brain numb OWS crowd who will read it as the gospel. State controlled media will be the downfall of this great country! Fire them all in 2012!

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  • neverending
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 1:29am

    I want to know how you can be 55 and have spent 50 years in politics?

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    • Pouncing Porcupine
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:02am

      The same way Postal Employees get off at 5 and are home by 4:30.

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    • sdidn
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:12am

      So you need to listen to the youtube video of the debate again. What Michelle Bachmann said was that she is 55 and has spent 50 years NOT in DC politics. Or rather, only spent 5 years in DC fighting for Tea Party principles. Her point was, she is no Newt / Romney…..

      She is the best candidate, and would take Obama down in a moment. Articulate, factual, and doesn’t have a problem telling it like it is. She won’t win the gay vote or the government union employee, but can easily get 60% of the population against Obama.

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    • TheWholeTruth
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 11:34am

      And she voted for the Patriot Act which can arrest you on ‘secret’ charges with ‘secret’ evidence heard before a ‘secret’ Grand Jury hearing (you’re not allowed to be there) and tried by a ‘secret’ Court where you’re not allowed to face your accuser or see/hear any of the evidence.

      Yeah.. she’s a good one too.

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  • Naps
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 1:25am

    Fact= Ron Paul won the debate with his consistency and integrity
    Fact= Newt is just the flavor of the week
    Fact= AP is a joke
    Fact= Obama is a puppet
    False= Ron Paul is unelectable

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    • Pouncing Porcupine
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:04am

      Fact = Flavor-of-the-week Newt will be the Republican nominee. Come to grips, kid.

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    • colt1860
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:34am

      Fact = The Neo-Conservatives (sorry but that’s the most accurate term to use here) voted for McCain in the primaries in 2008 because he was the most aggressive against Iran and the most willing to meddle in the foreign affairs of Muslim Nations and most promising to Militarily involve the US with the tribal disputes and civil wars so prevalent in the Middle East.

      Fact = McCain lost in the general election because the American people were tired of sending our troops off to foreign lands to fight in undeclared, never ending, very expense wars, while at the same time, our own Nation was broke, in huge debt, and borrowing money from China. They did not want to have our own Government continue to arbitrarily intrude into our private lives by infringing on our Rights and disrespecting our privacy here at home.

      Fact = Whether us Republicans might think differently or hold a alternative opinion, most Americans do not want to continue this same Progressive Foreign Policy of expanding democracy around the World by whatever means necessary at whatever cost, especially at the expense of our own wealth, security and liberties.

      Fact = This sounds like all the Candidates, especially Gingrich. There’s only one Candidate, that for obvious reasons considered a kook by the MSM, that opposes the Foreign Policy that has been followed by both Republicans and Democrats and promoted by the same Marxist media these past 20 years under Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr and Obama.

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  • AMERICA4EVER
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 1:22am

    It runs so deep, I don’t think one would have a legal leg left to pin any wrong doings on anyone. That’s what politics is. A cover to cheat and scam, at we the people’s expense, not to mention enriching themselves.

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  • lukerw
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 1:20am

    FACT: Bachmann is the best Conservative Candidate… but, her Female Voice & Gentleness prevents her from coming over Strong!

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    • marion
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 1:40am

      Problem I have with her, and I do like her and what she stands for, is the fact she hasn’t won on anythng she has fought for, pointed out in the debate, and two, she is quite the negative compaign operator. If she was attacking President Obama and his record only, that I could get behind, but she attacks everyone on the panel. The fight is against Obama, not the candidates.

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    • bullcrapbuster
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 2:02am

      Cmon Marion …these other republicans are her competition right now. All of the canditates are attacking each other.

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    • Vechorik
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 9:53am

      FACT: Bachmann is NOT the most conservative candidate by their voting record. Dr. Paul mentored Bachmann and helped her get elected, yet she has about 5 non-conservative strikes on her voting record in the short time she has been in congress. They should have “fact checked” her on that.

      Ron Paul has the most consistent, conservative voting record of Congress — and that’s over 30 years!

      Look it up if you don’t believe me…easily researched.

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  • Steelhead
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 1:11am

    fact- newt took tax payer money lobbying fanny

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    • marion
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 1:46am

      You better get the definition of lobbyist and then compare it to what Newt did. You would have to be a Left Wing Nutjob to say a person that owns a consulting company and is asked by Freddie to give them non-financial advice is a lobbyist. For one thing, what did Newt have to gain by consulting Freddie that would benefit himself? I say himself because a lobbyist tries to get laws, rules and regulations changed to make them benefit the company they represent, so, if he was lobbying, what would Newt benefit from ?

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    • drattastic
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 1:47am

      Try worrying about the real enemy ….obama

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    • marion
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 1:48am

      You better look up the definition and purpose of a lobbyist. Newt took money, yes, but it was as a consultant, he himself would have had to benefit through changes or additions of rules, laws, and regulations to be a lobbyist.

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    • GOA_AMD65
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:16am

      Fact – Newt didn’t predict the housing bubble.

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    • sdidn
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:17am

      The problem is MARION, Newt did take tax payers money and worked with Fanny and Freddie in a questionable role. Let’s stop splitting hairs about what is technically a “lobbyist” and realize that after he took back the House he quickly and effectively bought into the “pat my back” mentality of DC. Newts a brilliant man, and just like many others was willing to give up his convictions to keep a very nice lifestyle. Do you really think this guy will correct the direction our country is heading?

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    • colt1860
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 4:24am

      Wait a minute now. Let me get this straight. Gingrich received money from them as a Consultant to “teach” them about history and whatnot, and yet this huge Corporation still failed? Can we blame Gingrich for unsuccessfully advising them? And does this mean, that since Gingrich was unable to help out this huge Company, that Gingrich is incompetent, a proven failure, and also lacks the proper knowledge and solutions to help us out with our own Nation’s economic problems?

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  • Bunk
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 1:10am

    No way would I accept AP’s conclusions on these matters.

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    • AmeriCat
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 2:16am

      Agree.

      Fact Check…..is owned and operated by Liberals!

      Indeed, Fact Check needs Fact Checking, itself!

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    • AFeatherAdrift
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 11:32am

      That’s right. Just keep looking for the rag that finally says what you want to hear.

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  • VoteRightDammit
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 1:06am

    Is it too much to ask you “FACT CHECK” Obama —- once in a while?

    Today he ‘laid out his case for re-election’, saying:

    1. All GOPers are alike. (sort of bigoted, yes?)
    2. GOPers hate the middle class (bigoted, plus … wrong?)
    3. Obama has a host of accomplishments (sort of absurd … yes?)
    4. It‘s Bush’s fault; he needs more time (no comment needed)

    As for this articles’ claim that TARP 1 “saved the day” by preventing another depression – as “MOST ECONOMISTS AGREE” —– care to actually back that ridiculous statement up?

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  • drattastic
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 1:04am

    I wouldn’t trust the AP to tell me the sky was blue.

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  • Vunks
    Posted on December 12, 2011 at 1:01am

    Hey AP, why don‘t you take a look at the toxic assets the government put on it’s balance sheet and also talk about how the Fed gave out almost 16 trillion in loans and the institutions that took tarp money took money from the fed to pay back the tarp loans.

    And with the Taxes why not adjust for inflation, you will see most people are paying higher taxes now.

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    • Shane74
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 1:47am

      The AP’s fact checking on the FED is laughable. Every dollar the FED prints, it sells to us. Every dollar they print devalues our currency. When they try to affect housing, they create a bubble…but hey, let‘s all pretend that the FED isn’t the direct source of all of these issues, AP.

      Anybody else notice that not one word was spoken about Paul, after the debate? They rated each and every single candidate, but Paul.

      Odd, isn’t it?

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    • riseandshine
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 2:42am

      Shane—The Blackout continues. It’s a wicked world we live in. I’m still hoping. But if it doesn’t happen….life will go on.

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    • THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE
      Posted on December 12, 2011 at 6:52am

      @shane
      The reason you did not here anything is simple..Dr Ron Paul won the debate with truth and with the American people, ABC poll had Dr Ron Paul at 35% favoribility and romnecon next at 25%, newt was at 10%, you do not hear about this ANYWHERE in the corrupt mainstreet media.
      Dr Ron Paulsmessage is getting out without any help from the media and the talking mouths. At this point the only thing the media can do is to continue to lie and ignore his message. If you watched the debate you would have easily noticed how he recieved the most applause by far. What we have is the corrupt media and politicians trying to keep the system they have rigged in place. The only one that was right in this fact check was Dr Ron Paul, As people are waking up to the evil that this central bank is doing to our country they are realizing that it is the root of ALL the economic problems in the U.S, next problem would be our politicians overspending ang using our government as a way of getting wealthy wealthy in dishonest ways ( solyndra, insider trading, haliburton no bid contracts, lobbyists like newt, al gore and the green agenda etc). We need a complete change and only Dr Ron Paul WILL accomplish that , Dr Ron Paul WILL WIN IOWA, they are starting to admit that in the media, they are worried that when he does the sheeple they have been lying to realize that he IS electable.

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