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AP: NYPD Monitored Muslim Students All Over Northeast

AP: NYPD Monitored Muslim Students All Over Northeast

In this Wednesday, Feb. 15, 2012 photo, a person walks on the University at Buffalo campus in Buffalo, N.Y. The New York Police Department monitored Muslim college students far more broadly than previously known, at schools far beyond the city limits, including the University at Buffalo, the Ivy League colleges of Yale and the University of Pennsylvania, The Associated Press has learned. (AP Photo/David Duprey)

NEW YORK (AP) — The New York Police Department monitored Muslim college students far more broadly than previously known, at schools far beyond the city limits, including the Ivy League colleges of Yale and the University of Pennsylvania, The Associated Press has learned.

Police talked with local authorities about professors 300 miles away in Buffalo and even sent an undercover agent on a whitewater rafting trip, where he recorded students’ names and noted in police intelligence files how many times they prayed.

Detectives trawled Muslim student websites every day and, although professors and students had not been accused of any wrongdoing, their names were recorded in reports prepared for Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly.

Asked about the monitoring, police spokesman Paul Browne provided a list of 12 people arrested or convicted on terrorism charges in the United States and abroad who had once been members of Muslim student associations, which the NYPD referred to as MSAs. Jesse Morton, who this month pleaded guilty to posting online threats against the creators of “South Park,” had once tried to recruit followers at Stony Brook University on Long Island, Browne said.

“As a result, the NYPD deemed it prudent to get a better handle on what was occurring at MSAs,” Browne said in an email. He said police monitored student websites and collected publicly available information, but did so only between 2006 and 2007.

“I see a violation of civil rights here,” said Tanweer Haq, chaplain of the Muslim Student Association at Syracuse. “Nobody wants to be on the list of the FBI or the NYPD or whatever. Muslim students want to have their own lives, their own privacy and enjoy the same freedoms and opportunities that everybody else has.”

In recent months, the AP has revealed secret programs the NYPD, built with help from the CIA, to monitor Muslims at the places where they eat, shop and worship. The AP also published details about how police placed undercover officers at Muslim student associations in colleges within the city limits; this revelation has outraged faculty and student groups.

AP: NYPD Monitored Muslim Students All Over Northeast

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Though the NYPD says it follows the same rules as the FBI, some of the NYPD’s activities go beyond what the FBI is allowed to do.

Kelly and New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg repeatedly have said that the police only follow legitimate leads about suspected criminal activity.

But the latest documents mention no wrongdoing by any students.

In one report, an undercover officer describes accompanying 18 Muslim students from the City College of New York on a whitewater rafting trip in upstate New York on April 21, 2008. The officer noted the names of attendees who were officers of the Muslim Student Association.

“In addition to the regularly scheduled events (Rafting), the group prayed at least four times a day, and much of the conversation was spent discussing Islam and was religious in nature,” the report says.

Praying five times a day is one of the core traditions of Islam.

Jawad Rasul, one of the students on the trip, said he was stunned that his name was included in the police report.

“It forces me to look around wherever I am now,” Rasul said.

But another student, Ali Ahmed, whom the NYPD said appeared to be in charge of the trip, said he understood the police department’s concern.

“I can’t blame them for doing their job,” Ahmed said. “There’s lots of Muslims doing some bad things and it gives a bad name to all of us, so they have to take their due diligence.”

City College criticized the surveillance and said it was unaware the NYPD was watching students.

“The City College of New York does not accept or condone any investigation of any student organization based on the political or religious content of its ideas,” the college said in a written statement. “Absent specific evidence linking a member of the City College community to criminal activity, we do not condone this kind of investigation.”

Browne said undercover officers go wherever people they’re investigating go. There is no indication that, in the nearly four years since the report, the NYPD brought charges connecting City College students to terrorism.

Student groups were of particular interest to the NYPD because they attract young Muslim men, a demographic that terrorist groups frequently draw from. Police worried about which Muslim scholars were influencing these students and feared that extracurricular activities such as paintball outings could be used as terrorist training.

The AP first reported in October that the NYPD had placed informants or undercover officers in the Muslim Student Associations at City College, Brooklyn College, Baruch College, Hunter College, City College of New York, Queens College, La Guardia Community College and St. John’s University. All of those colleges are within the New York City limits.

A person familiar with the program, who like others insisted on anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss it, said the NYPD also had a student informant at Syracuse.

Police also were interested in the Muslim student group at Rutgers, in New Brunswick, N.J. In 2009, undercover NYPD officers had a safe house in an apartment not far from campus. The operation was blown when the building superintendent stumbled upon the safe house and, thinking it was some sort of a terrorist cell, called 911.

The FBI responded and determined that monitoring Rutgers students was one of the operation’s objectives, current and former federal officials said.

The Rutgers police chief at the time, Rhonda Harris, would not discuss the fallout. In a written statement, university spokesman E.J. Miranda said: “The university was not aware of this at the time and we have nothing to add on this matter.”

Another NYPD intelligence report from Jan. 2, 2009, described a trip by three NYPD officers to Buffalo, where they met with a high-ranking member of the Erie County Sheriff’s Department and agreed “to develop assets jointly in the Buffalo area, to act as listening posts within the ethnic Somalian community.”

The sheriff’s department official noted “that there are some Somali Professors and students at SUNY-Buffalo and it would be worthwhile to further analyze that population,” the report says.

Browne said the NYPD did not follow that recommendation. A spokesman for the university, John DellaContrada, said the NYPD never contacted the administration. Sheriff’s Departments spokeswoman Mary Murray could not immediately confirm the meeting or say whether the proposal went any further.

Another report, entitled “Weekly MSA Report” and dated Nov. 22, 2006, explained that officers from the NYPD’s Cyber Intelligence unit visited the websites, blogs and forums of Muslim student associations as a “daily routine.”

The universities included Yale; Columbia; the University of Pennsylvania; Syracuse; New York University; Clarkson University; the Newark and New Brunswick campuses of Rutgers; and the State University of New York campuses in Buffalo, Albany, Stony Brook and Potsdam, N.Y.; Queens College, Baruch College, Brooklyn College and La Guardia Community College.

“Students who advertised events or sent emails about regular events should not be worried about a ‘terrorism file’ being kept on them. NYPD only investigated persons who we had reasonable suspicion to believe might be involved in unlawful activities,” Browne said.

But such assurances seem to offer little comfort to some former students.

One University at Buffalo student, Adeela Khan, did end up in a police report after receiving an email on Nov. 9, 2006, announcing an upcoming Islamic conference in Toronto. The email said “highly respected scholars” would be attending, but did not say who or give any details of the program. Khan says she clicked “forward,” sent it to a Yahoo chat group of fellow Muslims and promptly forgot about it.

“A couple people had gone the year prior and they said they had a really nice time, so I was just passing the information on forward. That’s really all it was,” said Khan, who has since graduated.

Khan was a board member of the Muslim Student Association at the University at Buffalo at the time. She says she never went to the conference, was not affiliated with it and had no idea who was speaking at it.

But officer Mahmood Ahmad of the NYPD’s Cyber Intelligence Unit took notice and listed Khan in his weekly report for Kelly. The officer began researching the Toronto conference and found that one of the speakers, Tariq Ramadan, had his U.S. visa revoked in 2004. The U.S. government said it was because Ramadan had given money to a Palestinian group. It reinstated his visa in 2010.

The officer’s report notes three other speakers. One, Siraj Wahaj, is a prominent but controversial New York imam who has attracted the attention of authorities for years. Prosecutors included his name on a 3 ½-page list of people they said “may be alleged as co-conspirators” in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, though he was never charged.

The other two are Hamza Yusuf and Zaid Shakir, two of the nation’s most prominent Muslim scholars. Both have lectured at top universities in the U.S.. Yusuf met with President George W. Bush at the White House following the 2001 terrorist attacks.

The post about the academic event was enough to get Khan’s name mentioned in the weekly MSA report, which was stamped “SECRET” in red letters and sent to Kelly’s office.

There is no indication that the investigation went any further, or that Khan was ever implicated in anything. But she worries about being associated with the police report.

“It’s just a waste of resources, if you ask me,” she said. “I understand why they’re doing it, but it’s just kind of like a Catch-22. I’m not the one doing anything wrong.”

The university said it was unaware its students were being monitored.

“UB does not conduct this kind of surveillance and if asked, UB would not voluntarily cooperate with such a request,” the university said in a written statement. “As a public university, UB strongly supports the values of freedom of speech and assembly, freedom of religion, and a reasonable expectation of privacy.”

The same Nov. 22, 2006, report also noted seminars announced on the websites of the Muslim student associations at New York University and Rutgers University’s campus in Newark, N.J.

Browne, the police department spokesman, said intelligence analysts were interested in recruiting by the Islamic Thinkers Society, a New York-based group that wants to see the United States governed under Islamic law. Morton was a leader of the group and went to Stony Brook University’s MSA to recruit students that same month.

“One thing that our open source searches were interested in determining at the time was, where do Islamic Thinkers Society go – in terms of MSAs for recruiting,” Browne said.

Yale declined comment. The University of Pennsylvania did not immediately respond to requests for comment. Other colleges on the list said they worried the monitoring infringed on students’ freedom of speech.

“Like New York City itself, American universities are admired across the globe as places that welcome a diversity of people and viewpoints. So we would obviously be concerned about anything that could chill our essential values of academic freedom or intrude on student privacy,” Columbia University spokesman Robert Hornsby said in a written statement.

Danish Munir, an alumnus adviser for the University of Pennsylvania’s Muslim Student Association, said he believes police are wasting their time by watching college students.

“What do they expect to find here?” Munir said. “These are all kids coming from rich families or good families, and they’re just trying to make a living, have a good career, have a good college experience. It’s a futile allocation of resources.”

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Associated Press reporters Matt Apuzzo, Adam Goldman and Eileen Sullivan contributed to this report.

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  • Mr.Fitnah
    Posted on February 18, 2012 at 9:24pm

    Here is a little background on the terrorist group Muslim Students Association.
    http://tinyurl.com/7qk625q

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    • Mr.Fitnah
      Posted on February 18, 2012 at 9:26pm

      Muslim Student Association recruited St pancake ( Rachel Corrie)

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    • Mr.Fitnah
      Posted on February 18, 2012 at 9:41pm

      Well maybe not recruited but certainly claim her as their own .
      Here is an MSA in action

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuNva3j12X0

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    • poverty.sucks
      Posted on February 18, 2012 at 10:21pm

      “He shall build the temple of the Lord, and he shall bear the glory.”—Zechariah 6:13.
      “There’s music in all things, if men had ears; This world is but the echo of the spheres.”

      The music could be the joyful tune of men standing up in harmony against the sinful men who represents a culture of terrorism. But rather, idolization of various creations has men tied to the couch & TV and afraid to fight.

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    • jzs
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 12:34am

      They came for the Muslims, and I stood by because I wasn’t Muslim. They came for the Christian Scientist, and I stood aside because I wasn’t a Christian Scientist and forced them to give their sick children antibiotics (although, I admit, I cheered the imprisonment Muslims). Then they came for the liberals. No wait, that didn’t bother me. Then they came for the conservatives and threw them all into FEMA concentration camps. And there was no one else to appeal to, not the ACLU or nothing. Then Muslims took over the world and imposed Sharia law.

      Then I woke up in a cold sweat, having realized that I was having a Glenn Beck dream. And then I realized that I could make a fortune by becoming an am talk radio host, and appealing to people’s fears. And I was thunderstruck by the realization that God himself was telling me to sell those people hardy seeds and gold. Praise God!

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    • WeDontNeedNoSteenkinBadges10
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 1:57am

      “AP: NYPD Monitored Muslim Students All Over Northeast”

      STUNNED … that N.Y.C. Mayor Bloomberg’s “army” (as he calls “his” N.Y.P.D.)
      http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/bloomberg_calls_nypd_his_own_army_t6r5pINQhahldXvnT8kPGJ
      is keeping tabs on muslims after Bloomberg gives them his blessing to build mosques in “his” city.

      WATCH THE OTHER HAND … could it be setting up of a false-flag operation for the chaos needed to declare martial law? Hmm …

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    • ICRedifURBlue
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 1:57am

      They came for the muslims if they hate me… fine , they came for ANYONE else if they don’t hate me …now we got a problem……………………2nd amendment conquers all……….or at least give “We The People” a fighting chance……………..

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    • ICRedifURBlue
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 2:00am

      ……..by the way JZS……….please walk in my house uninvited………………………..

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    • Wolf
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 6:05am

      “…Jesse Morton, who this month pleaded guilty to posting online threats against the creators of “South Park,” had once tried to recruit followers at Stony Brook University on Long Island, Browne said…”
      This kind of gestapo BS ****** me off- ‘thought crimes’ and threats don’t hurt anyone and are no business of the poo-poo.
      Bloomerboy is so concerned about people’s safety he disarms them in his own community and wants to disarm the whole country; doesn’t deport the illegals in his own city; doesn’t defend the American way of life; encourages ******* to build mosques in his town, yet has time to harass and spy on them just because of their nationality and religious beliefs.
      I am not for sharia and sure don’t condone rhaghead religion, but this crap is getting out of hand- and we ‘americans’ sit by and let it happen. It’s time to clean our house and set everything in order, bolt the doors and don‘t let anyone in we don’t know.

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    • TomFerrari
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 6:44am

      A bit full of yourself, huh, NYPD?
      You have limits. It is called “JURISDICTION.”
      You see, I am qualified to speak on this matter as I have many years of
      watching crime dramas on TV, like Law and Order.
      That was, until Law and Order began toeing the liberal propaganda line and I had to
      stop.

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    • old white guy
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 7:01am

      jzs, you are a fool. the followers of islam are coming for all who will not follow the koran. do you really think the old line of fist the came for is relevant to the situation with islam? if someone told you over and over that they were going to kill or enslave you would you not pay attenetion and eventually do something about it???

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    • jzs
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 9:08am

      Old white guy, there are a couple of million Muslims in the United States. When are they going to start killing and enslaving? What are they waiting on?

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    • pissedlizard
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 9:41am

      The police should be looking at Red Crescents (muslim Red Cross equal). Jihad in medicine IS happening, right now.

      muslims also use red crescents to “speak freely” because they are off limits to investigators. Any converstion with any sigle healthcare provider and “patient” is subject to HIPPA and provider/patient confidentiality REGARDLESS of the conversation.

      Patient charts are a rouse in some instances. They know full well that computers are subject to covert monitoring, so any written material goes right into a chart.

      This is going on, right now. Period. The media will not touch it, the police and feds will not listen. Even when credible physicians have complained.

      Medical jihad is different. If you cannot figure out by those two words next to each ther really means, then take a look at the description of the book “Jihad in Medicine” here:

      http://www.amazon.com/Jihad-American-Medicine-Terrorist-Anticipate/dp/0275996379/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1329662246&sr=8-1

      Not all doctors are created equal. Make no mistake, doctors are human and have political and religious views. One even blew himself and a bunch of CIA agents up in Afghanistan a few years back. The MSA and medical schools are intertwined. You, as innocent patients, would not belive what goes on there…

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    • carbonyes
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 10:00am

      MONITORING THE MUSLIMS, let’s clear the air! Muslims should be monitored on campus, despite the first amendment. Islam is not just another religion! Islam kills. The Koran calls for Muslims to dispense with, some would say kill, Jews and Christians. Mosques in this country preach the take over of this country by Islam, and in most cases impose Sharia Law. When the World Trade Center towers came crashing down, many supposedly moderate Muslims cheered. Wacko’ like the Nidal Hasan, a wacko Islamist Muslim killed 13 American soldiers in cold blood and wounded 30 others. The Lame Stream Media refused to acknowledge that this was a terrorist act. The list goes on and on. Why do you think the Israeli’s monitors Muslim movement within their own country? It certainly is not that they do not have anything better to do. BTW the Israeli’s also had enough sense to build a wall, because they know the history of murderous acts of Hezbollah and Hamas, both of whom are supported financially by organizations like Muslim Brotherhood, which is linked to MSA, and are also supported by CAIR, ISNA, mosque leaders in American mosques, Muslim university teachers in America and again the list goes on.

      Islam with its teachings, agenda, ideology and objectives is an enemy of America, our American values, our culture and political – governmental system. Very difficult, if not impossible to draw the line between Radical Islam and Moderate Islam, if there is such a difference. Monitor Muslims!

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    • carbonyes
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 10:21am

      PS, another reason Muslims should be monitored. We have not only a Muslim Sympathizer and empathizer in the White House, we also have the Muslim-in-Chief himself. He has a difficult time refraining from crying out Allah Akbar.

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    • amos-moses
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 12:49pm

      @ICREDIFURBLUE- OLD WHITE GUY

      IGNORE JZS!

      High jacking the conversation, not honest dialogue, is his goal! He is taking advantage of those conversing with honest intent and has been 100% successful at sidetracking the debate! Offering information, correcting false premises, and debunking blatant lies are a waste of time. Will you keep letting him shape and sidetrack the debate or leave him alone to squabble? Don’t allow your good intentions to aide him in high jacking these posts. The debate is lead further off track with each post aimed at correcting misinformation.

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    • jonnyfontain
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 3:46pm

      Good we are watching you crazy muslims! Especially up here in the northwest, we can’t wait to pull our trigger and make you people run like hell out of our CHRISTIAN NATION!! I got my crosshairs on you infidels and will take no mercy on your women and children!

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    • oldguy49
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 5:05pm

      quit wasting money monitoring theses people and send them back where they came from !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! KEEP YOUR POWDER DRY

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  • Mr.Fitnah
    Posted on February 18, 2012 at 9:15pm

    Well now that they have been vetted, they are free to go about their terrorist activities .

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 12:20am

      So if a terrorists wants to come here on a student visa & commit a terrorist act in NYC, he will only apply to a school in NYC. So the NYPD should only look at possible terrorists activity in NYC colleges.

      UhMMMMM. Right.

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    • Callie369
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 4:51am

      EVERY muslim, student or whatever, should be closely watched. Remember what they said in the old west about indians? The only good one………..

      Americans indians are wonderful. Muslims can’t be trusted any further then a 6 year old little girl can throw them!!!!

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    • Mr.Fitnah
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 6:09am

      If children went outside to play they will soon be playing cowboys and muslims.

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    • rose-ellen
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 12:19pm

      Monitor all you want;the reality is those muslims don’t owe you anything-neither an apology for 9-11,a refutation of it,an explanation that satisfies you [it's because they hate non muslims etc] or any other appeasement to satisfy you. the reality is you are the ones with the problem -not them.The fact is you are the ones who can‘t accept that you got some blowback for your unjust policies and now want to tyranize everyone who doesn’t espouse a narrative that is palatable to you.Those muslims have the right to their opinion whatever it is about 9-11 and terrorism and they have the right to express them or be be silent about terrorism and 9-11. tough on you that you can’t accept that you finally got a taste of your own medicine .Not their problem and they don’t owe you anything.Kudos if they go about silently or if they denounce americas policies in the mid east. You tyrants can violate your own professed principles of innocent till proven guilty and we’re not a police state etc, and expose your hypocrisy the mintute your values were put to the test. that’s on you -not them.That you can’t accept you brought 9-11 on yourselves is your problem -not theirs.Monitor all you want -they’re silently doing their thing and correctly not jumping thrpugh your tyranical hoops.

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    • Wolf
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 7:13pm

      So says Rose Ellen- “…Those muslims have the right to their opinion whatever it is about 9-11 and terrorism and they have the right to express them or be be silent about terrorism and 9-11. tough on you that you can’t accept that you finally got a taste of your own medicine …”
      You were sure whining a different song yesterday, Encinom. Err, Rose Ellen… have a change of heart? Or are you just like every other liberal maroon and go with whichever way the wind blows?

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  • the58thstate
    Posted on February 18, 2012 at 9:11pm

    keep it up. like another on here said, i learned all i needed on 9-11.

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    • mils
      Posted on February 18, 2012 at 9:20pm

      OBVIOUSLY we haven’t learned enough…

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    • HorseCrazy
      Posted on February 19, 2012 at 1:02pm

      absolutely. 9-11 told me every single thing I needed to know. how on earth people can believe this is bad to be monitoring potential threats is beyond me.

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  • Mr.Fitnah
    Posted on February 18, 2012 at 9:10pm

    Is there an unspoken thought going through anyones mind?
    What happened to confidentiality ?
    \

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  • drenfroe
    Posted on February 18, 2012 at 8:43pm

    We used to put those who attacked America in concentration camps. Look at Pearl Harbour, There have been repeated attacks on Americans and anyone who isn’t muslim. What do you expect, you can’t have it both ways when it done in the name of Islam and in the name of muslim. If you don’t like it, then put a stop to the violence in the name of Islam and in the name of muslim. Leave everyone else alone and quit pushing hate just because everyone else doesn’t beleive the same as you.

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    • mils
      Posted on February 18, 2012 at 9:16pm

      every church should sponsor a program that studies the koran.
      ..not sugar coat the bs,
      but understand these people are out to KILL US…

      The catholics , baptist, etc.. are not out to kill us…because we don’t all belive the same thing
      MUSLIMS ARE

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    • CatB
      Posted on February 18, 2012 at 9:46pm

      You can order a translated Qur’an and much more .. from the following website….

      http://www.thestraightway.org/

      go to DVD / Books … Very Good information from this man …

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  • LeadNotFollow
    Posted on February 18, 2012 at 8:37pm

    …
    Someone should be monitoring everyone of the Islam faith.
    We are going to wake up one morning, real soon, and be under sharia law.
    Then it will be too late.

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    • poverty.sucks
      Posted on February 18, 2012 at 8:43pm

      With free contraceptives and free abortions to all Americans, Muslims are on tract to be the majority by 2040.

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    • Zer0
      Posted on February 18, 2012 at 8:48pm

      Next are the Catholics, then the Mormons, then the Jews…before you know it the NYPD, Holder, Obama, DHS will be monitoring all of us religious “crazies” because we cling to our “guns and religion”. Screw the 1st and 4th Ammendments, they are just there to keep us peasants complacent as the Neo-Cons and Progressives wipe they’re collective, ellitist, arses with our Constitution.

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  • poverty.sucks
    Posted on February 18, 2012 at 8:27pm

    Don’t be surprised when Obama will then use the investigators to verify that the subjects are doing exactly what they were sent here to do, advance the Islamic Terrorist movement.

    If Islam is so righteous, why is it that we educate them?

    Granting student visas’ should include an oath against terrorism. Any offenses that involve terrorism shall have their degree(s) stripped or revoked.

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    • cassandra
      Posted on February 18, 2012 at 9:03pm

      Poverty Sucks you are RIGHT all student visa should be monitored, ck to see if they are involved with any radical groups and if they have a police record their vias should be revoked by the US acting week it makes them stronger

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  • american1st
    Posted on February 18, 2012 at 8:23pm

    first they monitored the Muslims and because i was not one of them… i cheered them on…
    then they monitored the protesters and i said nothing because i don’t protest…
    and when they started to monitor me, there was nobody left unwatched who could speak out against the loss of my freedom…

    BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR!!

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    • Macman1138
      Posted on February 18, 2012 at 8:26pm

      Words of wisdom to be sure.
      I say stop the wishing and get the cancer out of the country now before we wind up like the UK.

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  • The Giver
    Posted on February 18, 2012 at 8:22pm

    Are they watching Tea Party Conservatives at the colleges too? Kids who work hard and believe in small government. Big Brother is here.

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  • ronljl
    Posted on February 18, 2012 at 8:13pm

    Not that any of the students are doing a thing illegal or morally wrong, they do however, belong to a group KNOWN for violence and the desire to destroy our government. Of course they are going to be watched. As long as their movements are not interferred with, of course they are going to be “monitored.” And the comment about most of the ‘kids’ coming form wealthy families. Where the hell did most of the 9/11 terrorists come from? Wealthy families. Life is unfair, but we manage to through it anyway!

    Go to Saudi Arabia and take a look at life there for muslim and especially for “non-believers.“ Foreigner live in ”compounds,” they are not trusted to intermix on a daily basis with Saudi’s. When I worked there at the end of the ‘80’s, we foreigner were watched all the time. Not only be the police, but by the populace in general. Reciprocity baby, reciprocity!

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  • blackstone22
    Posted on February 18, 2012 at 7:59pm

    If it were left up to the universities we’d all be wearing burqas. Of course these muslim student groups should be monitored, thank you NYPD for doing this mind numbing job. Everyone whines about infringing on civil rights, but if a dirty bomb goes off in midtown nyc,it’s the counter terrorism units that will be accused of having not done their job.

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  • Steve Crisp
    Posted on February 18, 2012 at 7:56pm

    “It’s just a waste of resources, if you ask me,” [Khan} said. “I understand why they’re doing it, but it’s just kind of like a Catch-22. I’m not the one doing anything wrong.”

    And the problem is that even if YOU are not doing anything wrong, you know who is, yet you will not identify them or what they are doing. Within any closed community most people know who the bad apples are, but they keep on letting them get away with literally murder because of some ignorant code — or in this case religious prohibition to interfere with those supposedly doing the work of Islam.

    So when you see four of five muslims gathering together in secret, studying what you know are radical and violent viewpoints, you have an obligation as an American to report them. Your problem is that Islam trumps your allegiance to America regardless of how those Islamic beliefs manifest themselves. And for that we will watch you. Closely.

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  • The-Monk
    Posted on February 18, 2012 at 7:53pm

    It’s about time! Thank you NYPD.

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  • FreeUsAll
    Posted on February 18, 2012 at 7:50pm

    Surveillance of Muslims now. Surveillance of so-called “radicals” now. Surveillance of every citizen – still yet to come. You people wanted it, you got it. The birth and growth of Big Brother. No longer individuals, now we are criminals.

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  • Krazy_Kreepy_Ketchup
    Posted on February 18, 2012 at 7:45pm

    CAIR announced this early this morning. Does anyone find it odd that CAIR has been throwing blows at the NYPD quite a bit in the past month or so? What do you think that is about? Trying to “take down” the biggest police department in the country, making them constantly “bow down” publicly?

    Mayor Bloomberg, who has CLEARLY shown that he is nothing but a dhimmi to islam is getting this? He has stood for the WTC mosque and kissed the butt of CAIR for this long is now getting this from his strange bedfellow?

    Something much bigger is brewing between CAIR and Bloomberg. Police departments take their investigations to all corners of the country. This is no secret. Why the fuss now? And what about the “rape” slander that was wielded at the commish’s son? We all knew it was B.S., but look at the timing

    CAIR is up to something. Could it be pressure to put a muslim in as the NYPD commisioner? (watch-my little birds are good) Could this be a way to “soften the ground” so to speak to show the people that NYC is not islamophobic?

    Getting warm in NY. Its almost spring. Just in time for Van Jones and the OWS push…

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  • txbigfoot
    Posted on February 18, 2012 at 7:44pm

    All I need to know about being a muslim I learned on 9-11
    Read this: http://barenakedislam.com/

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  • mensaman62
    Posted on February 18, 2012 at 7:41pm

    Thank God for the NYPD and Commissioner Kelly! At least someone is taking the radical religion of pieces threat seriously.

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  • poverty.sucks
    Posted on February 18, 2012 at 7:36pm

    Caption in each photo above may read:
    Do you see one yet?
    No.
    How about now?
    No. Wait…No

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  • Bob350
    Posted on February 18, 2012 at 7:34pm

    So the NYPD has been monitoring Muslims in the North East.
    I only have one thing to say about that—–THANK YOU!!
    some one needs to watch these people.

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    • philipzhao
      Posted on February 18, 2012 at 7:41pm

      This kind of monitoring should extend worldwide !!

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    • txbigfoot
      Posted on February 18, 2012 at 7:41pm

      Yep I agree.

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    • EndTheFedNOW
      Posted on February 18, 2012 at 7:52pm

      And while were at it lets shred the bill of rights. Then we could moniter all liberals and then maybe throw them in camps. Then we could moniter conseratives we dont like, like libertarines.

      SOUNDS GREAT!

      The death of America will not come from a outside army, it will come from within

      Thomas Jefferson

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  • dmerwin
    Posted on February 18, 2012 at 7:31pm

    I’ve got no beef with that. In fact people here on an education visa should be required to submit a report card each semester. Students from radical countries should not be able to take any engineering classes except for civil engineering.

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    • chips1
      Posted on February 18, 2012 at 7:54pm

      There’s nothing civil about them. Being a muslim is like being a reserve in the miliyary. You can be called to active duty at any time.

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  • EndTheFedNOW
    Posted on February 18, 2012 at 7:30pm

    The NYPD is just practicing to moniter political dissidents, and then frame them. They give these brainwashed patsys fake suicied vest and guns and tell them to go blow up the capital. These kids are often times very poor and the FBI tells them they are with the taliban or someother western backed organzation and they will gie them money.

    http://www.infowars.com/syrian-girl-why-al-qaeda-is-al-cia-da/

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  • texanpatriot
    Posted on February 18, 2012 at 7:29pm

    “What do they expect to find here?” Munir said. “These are all kids coming from rich families or good families, and they’re just trying to make a living, have a good career, have a good college experience. It’s a futile allocation of resources.”

    Really Mr. Munir? Rich families like Bin Laden’s and the underwear bomber? It’s a futile allocation of resources? I think not. Just like the latest radical Muslim terrorist in DC it can and does come from anywhere and Americans need to be vigilant, not critical of efforts to defend ourselves.

    Remember that there was a more effective less futile approach during WWII…

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    • babylonvi
      Posted on February 18, 2012 at 7:40pm

      Every terrorist plot has been either a government false flag of committed by male Muslims between 18 and 35. If the profile fits, use it. There is NOTHING WRONG with using a profile PROPERLY in law enforcement efforts. By the way, several of the 9/11 subjects were college graduates.

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  • am123
    Posted on February 18, 2012 at 7:23pm

    Bravo NYPD. Given that about 80% of the mosques in America subscribe to Wahhabism and hence are breeding grounds for terrorists, and given that the Quran commands Muslims to engage in jihad and kill infidels as a way into paradise, it is only common sense to monitor Muslims in this country.

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  • poverty.sucks
    Posted on February 18, 2012 at 7:16pm

    May the Drones fly high above and reveal more of the likes of Islamic Muslims here and abroad.

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    • whatthecrazy
      Posted on February 18, 2012 at 11:40pm

      Sorry i don’t trust anything i hear anymore and only some of what i see,because as much as we have learned in just the last few years.and lets face it,some of us now have our eye’s wide open,im sure there is even more horrors to be revealed and quite frankly as an American im bumphuckled as to how we have let these brainseared savages come onto our soil and destroy and rule us with little or no real effort.Our HERO’S who have gave thier lives for this country must be weeping in thier graves…….

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  • bullcrapbuster
    Posted on February 18, 2012 at 7:15pm

    Muslim students do not need any civil rights. Islam does not account for such frivolties.

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    • iampraying4u
      Posted on February 18, 2012 at 7:34pm

      muslims r the same all around the world. we should learn this

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    • WeekendAtBernankes
      Posted on February 18, 2012 at 7:47pm

      Of course they have civil rights, don’t be ridiculous. However, until the Western world goes a couple decades without a major terror attack conducted in the name of Islam, there should be an expectation of increased scrutiny and profiling.

      I can only hope that law enforcement is also investigating the Muslim communities on other campuses and in known radicalization areas (Minneapolis, Dearborn, etc.).

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