AP: Parents Increasingly Opting Out of Kids’ Vaccines — But Are There Consequences?
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The percentage of students not having all vaccinations required for attendance is on the rise in some states. (Photo: South Mountain Villager)
ATLANTA (AP) — More parents are opting out of school shots for their kids. In eight states now, more than 1 in 20 public school kindergartners aren’t getting all the vaccines required for attendance, an Associated Press analysis found.
That growing trend among parents seeking vaccine exemptions has health officials worried about outbreaks of diseases that once were all but stamped out.
The AP analysis found more than half of states have seen at least a slight rise in the rate of exemptions over the past five years. States with the highest exemption rates are in the West and Upper Midwest.
It’s “really gotten much worse,” said Mary Selecky, secretary of health for Washington state, where 6 percent of public school parents have opted out.
Rules for exemptions vary by state and can include medical, religious or — in some states — philosophical reasons.
Reasons for skipping some school shots vary. Some parents are skeptical that vaccines are essential. Others fear vaccines carry their own risks. Some find it easier to check a box opting out than the effort to get the shots and required paperwork schools demand. Still others are ambivalent, believing in older vaccines but questioning newer shots against, say, chickenpox.
The number of shots is also giving some parents pause. By the time most children are 6, they will have been stuck with a needle about two dozen times — with many of those shots given in infancy. The cumulative effect of all those shots has not been studied enough, some parents say.
“Many of the vaccines are unnecessary and public health officials don’t honestly know what the effect of giving so many vaccines to such small children really are,” said Jennifer Margulis, a mother of four and parenting book author in Ashland, Ore.
But few serious problems have turned up over years of vaccinations and several studies have shown no link with autism, a theory from the 1990s that has been widely discredited.
To be sure, childhood vaccination rates remain high overall, at 90 percent or better for several vaccines, including those for polio, measles, hepatitis B and even chickenpox. In many states, exemptions are filed for fewer than 1 percent of children entering school for the first time.
Health officials have not identified an exemption threshold that would likely lead to outbreaks. But as they push for 100 percent immunization, they worry when some states have exemption rates climbing over 5 percent. The average state exemption rate has been estimated at less than half that.
Even more troubling are pockets in some states where exemption rates much higher. In some rural counties in northeast Washington, for example, vaccination exemption rates in recent years have been above 20 percent and even as high as 50 percent.
“Vaccine refusers tend to cluster,” said Saad Omer, an Emory University epidemiologist who has done extensive research on the issue.
While parents may think it does no harm to others if their kids skip some vaccines, they are in fact putting others at risk, health officials say. No vaccine is completely effective. If an outbreak begins in an unvaccinated group of children, a vaccinated child may still be at some risk of getting sick.
Studies have found communities with higher exemption rates sometimes are places where measles have suddenly re-emerged in outbreaks. Vaccinated kids are sometimes among the cases, or children too young to be vaccinated. Last year, California had more than 2,100 whooping cough cases, and 10 infants died. Only one had received a first dose of vaccine.
“Your child’s risk of getting disease depends on what your neighbors do,” said Omer.
And while it seems unlikely that diseases like polio and diphtheria could ever make a comeback to the U.S., immunization expert Dr. Lance Rodewald with the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says it could happen.
“Polio can come back. China was polio free for two decades, and just this year, they were infected from Pakistan, and there is a big outbreak of polio China now. The same could happen here,” Rodewald said in an email.
He cited outbreaks of Hib, a disease that can lead to meningitis, among the Amish who don’t consistently vaccinate their children. Russia had a huge diphtheria outbreak in the early to mid-1990s, he said, because vaccine coverage declined. “Measles is just visible, but it isn’t the only concern,” Rodewald said.
For its review, the AP asked state health departments for kindergarten exemption rates for 2006-07 and 2010-11. The AP also looked at data states had previously reported to the federal government. (Most states don’t have data for the current 2011-12 school year.)
(Photo: Children's Healthcare of Atlanta)
Alaska had the highest exemption rate in 2010-11, at nearly 9 percent. Colorado’s rate was 7 percent, Minnesota 6.5 percent, Vermont and Washington 6 percent, and Oregon, Michigan and Illinois were close behind.
Mississippi was lowest, at essentially 0 percent.
The AP found that vaccine exemptions rose in more than half of states, and 10 had increases over the five years of about 1.5 percentage points or more, a range health officials say is troubling.
Those states, too, were in the West and Midwest — Alaska, Kansas, Hawaii, Illinois, Michigan, Montana, Oregon, Vermont, Washington and Wisconsin. Arizona saw an increase that put that state in the same ballpark.
Exemption seekers are often middle-class, college-educated white people, but there are often a mix of views and philosophies. Exemption hot spots like Sedona, Ariz., and rural northeast Washington have concentrations of both alternative medicine-preferring as well as government-fearing libertarians.
Opposition to vaccines “is putting people together that normally would not be together,” observed Elizabeth Jacobs, a University of Arizona epidemiologist looking at that state’s rising exemption rates.
What many of exemption-seeking parents share, however, is a mental calculation that the dangers to their children of vaccine-preventable diseases are less important than the possible harms from vaccine. Or they just don’t believe health officials, putting more stock in alternative sources — often discovered through Internet searches.
“We are being told this by every government official, teacher, doctor that we need vaccines to keep us safe from these diseases. I simply don’t believe that to be true. I believe all the diseases in question were up to 90 percent in decline before mass vaccines ever were given. I don’t think vaccines are what saved the world from disease. I think effective sewer systems, nutrition, and handwashing (are the reasons),” said Sabrina Paulick, of Ashland, Ore. She’s part-time as a caregiver for elderly people in their homes and a mother of a 4-year-old daughter.
Parents say they’d like to reserve the right to decide what vaccinations their children should get, and when. Health officials reply that vaccinations are recommended at an early age to protect children before they encounter a dangerous infection. “If you delay, you’re putting a child at risk,” said Gerri Yett, a nurse who manages Alaska’s immunization program.
Analyzing vaccination exemptions is difficult. States collect data differently; some base their exemption rates on just a small sample of schools — Alaska, for example — while others rely on more comprehensive numbers. So the AP worked with researchers at CDC, which statistically adjusted some states’ 2010-11 data for a better comparison.
It’s also not clear when an exemption was invoked against all vaccines and when it was used to excuse just one or two shots. CDC officials think the second scenario is more common.
Also, states differ on some of the vaccines required and what’s needed to get an exemption: Sometimes only a box on a form needs to be checked, while some states want letters or even signed statements from doctors.
Meanwhile, some parent groups and others have pushed legislators to make exemptions easier or do away with vaccination requirements altogether. The number of states allowing philosophical exemptions grew from 15 to 20 in the last decade.
Some in public health are exasperated by the trend.
“Every time we give them evidence (that vaccines are safe), they come back with a new hypothesis” for why vaccines could be dangerous, said Kacey Ernst, another University of Arizona researcher.
The exemption increases have come during a time when the government has been raising its estimates of how many children have autism and related disorders. Some experts suggest that parents have listened intently to that message, with some believing the growing roster of recommended shots must somehow be related.
“I don‘t understand how other people don’t see that these two things are related,” said Stacy Allan, a Summit, N.J., mother who filed religious exemptions and stopped vaccinating her three children.
Several parents said that while they believe many health officials mean well, their distrust of the vaccine-making pharmaceutical industry only continues to grow.
“I wouldn’t be one to say I am absolutely certain these things are hurting our children,” said Michele Pereira, an Ashland mother of two young girls. She is a registered nurse and married to an anesthesiologist. While her daughters have had some vaccinations, they have not had the full recommended schedule.
“I feel like there are enough questions out there that I don’t want to take the chance,” she said.
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Comments (178)
Paul D.
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:04pmWhat happen to the concern that we are making super-bugs with the heavy use of anti-biotics and vacines?
Report Post »SerikFox
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:52pmIt died once it met reality. That’s not even remotely possible with the way vaccines, viruses, and disease work. If there is going to be a super-bug, then it’s many times more likely to come from a place where there are no vaccines.
Report Post »vtech61
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:56pmIn other news
GEORGE SOROS DIES OF MASSIVE HEART ATTACK AS LOOTERS RAID HIS MANSION.
AIRFORCE ONE GOES DOWN OVER DC, ALL ON BOARD PERISHED.
NANCY POLOSI SLIPS ON GRAPES AT HER WINERY,
PARALYZED FROM THE WAIST DOWN.
Just kiding. I want them ALL to live to see their works.
Report Post »Deb C
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:46pmIts time Big Pharma realizes WE THE PEOPLE will not put up with unsafe drugs. Side effects like: Sudden Death is not acceptable. Vaccines with mercury and aluminum components will not be tolerated !
Report Post »JRook
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:56pmHey pay attention to M. Bachmann. Vaccines cause mental retardation. May be something to it, as I heard she was vaccinated multiple times.
Report Post »smackdown33
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:17pmTheir choice. It’s Darwinian.
Report Post »Libertyluvnmomma
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:20pm” If an outbreak begins in an unvaccinated group of children, a vaccinated child may still be at some risk of getting sick.”
and just how would that occur? What a dumb statement.
This is an article from the dumbest cross section of America….the “experts”
Who can smell the fear mongering?
Report Post »JRook
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:50pm@Deb C But wouldn’t big pharma merely be acting in the best interest of capitalism and the free market? Acting against big pharma sounds like something the OWS crowd might say. Certainly, can‘t agree with their view of big corporations placing profits ahead of people’s health and safety.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 7:32pmHere is another site you may want to check: http://www.healing-arts.org/children/vaccines/vaccines-mercury.htm
Report Post »BonnieBlueFlag
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 10:12pm@JRook
The Tea Party was the first to speak out against the bank bailouts. The Tea Party, and true conservatives are against *Crony Capitalism,* Occupy my @nus is against capitalism in general. (Cause communism works really well) Learn the difference!
Besides, that’s what a FREE MARKET is all about, freedom to say “No Thank You” to any good or service which is offered including vaccines, helmets, and insurance (aka Obamacare.)
Report Post »Ditto Head
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 10:51pmVaccinations have been linked to Alzheimer’s, especially early onset Alzheimer’s. Fact.
The assertion made in the article that the link between vaccines and autism “has been widely discredited”
Report Post »is bunk. My cousin’s little boy was born perfect. When he was one he received a series of shots that incontrovertably caused autism in him. He’s never been the same, and will likely never be what he would have been had he not received those shots.
survivorseed
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 4:14amI say if you don’t want your kids to be vaccinated, then don’t vaccinate them. We have to rid the world of this “stupid” gene somehow and we can’t just go around shooting them all so this might help.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 6:46am@Ditto Head
“Vaccinations have been linked to Alzheimer’s, especially early onset Alzheimer’s. Fact.”
Please list the studies on this.
“The assertion made in the article that the link between vaccines and autism “has been widely discredited” is bunk.”
A more appropriate phrasing would be “Dr. Wakefield’s landmark 1998 study has been shown to be fraudulent. He was convicted in court of purposely engineering an anti-vaccination hysteria, and was stripped of his medical license in the UK. Follow-up studies were not able to reproduce his results, and to this day a link between autism and vaccination remains unproven”
Sorry for your cousin’s child. That doesn’t mean vaccines caused his autism. It doesn‘t mean they didn’t… but no study has found significant (statistically speaking) links between the two. If you have one, I’d be glad to read it; but every “story” I’ve heard linking the two is invariably that: a story, an anecdote. Not one is a study done by actual scientists using statistically sound numbers or methodology.
Report Post »jplay35
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 11:11amGuys, i see all the comments on other articles of the blaze predominantly aware of communism’s infiltration of our government, yet i read this article and there are many that seriously think they can trust the propaganda of the medical industry. You think the communists all these years stopped at goverment and didn’t go into other areas. Wake up people…. go to mercola.com and read the research that is the reality of the medical industry. The blaze obviously doesn‘t do it’s research on this topic.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 2:54pmVaccines don’t work, and they’re injecting people with more than what they say is in those vaccines.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 3:01pmThe poll is skewed, because the poll suggests that it is the LAW that we MUST be vaccinated, when it is NOT the law, the Eugenicist State simply uses regulations and policies to refuse services if you aren’t vaccinated.
It is not the law that you (or your children) MUST be vaccinated. Parents already have the right to refuse vaccinations, we aren‘t animals to be injected at the State’s will.
What the poll really asks is if the State should take that right to refuse vaccinations away from parents, the very entertainment of such a statist action is treasonous in my opinion.
STATE CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES WOULD TAKE YOUR CHILDREN THE SAME WAY THEY TOOK THE OBESE CHILD IN MY STATE IF YOU REFUSE TO VACCINATE THEM OR BE VACCINATED YOURSELF.
RESIST THE NAZI POLICE STATE!
Report Post »Ojebuss
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:52pmSeems a little one sided …. Here is the other side if anyone cares.
Report Post »http://www.nvic.org/default.aspx (National Vaccine Information Center)
Locked
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:18pmUsing NVIC is kind of like using “Atheists United” for a debate on whether God exists. Sure, you’ll get another point of view from a bunch of people who have never read the Bible, but would you take that into consideration over the view of someone who has read it for years, has a degree in theology, or studies and writes on biblical scripture?
The NVIC is a group founded by parents (including two authors who claimed the whooping cough vaccine gave their children autism) concerned about an autism-vaccination link, despite there being many studies that failed to show any correlation, including Wakefield’s infamously discredited one from 1998. They do have another, more positive function, however: they push for legislation against doctors who do not inform patients of known rare side-effects, and in ‘96 they pushed legislation to provide some good information about vaccines.
It’s good to know the sides; just know where their bias lies.
Report Post »staggerlee32
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:49pm@LOCKED works for Big Pharma. He surfs the net all day in search of vaccine stories so he can sell vaccines for Big Pharma.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:06pm@Stagger apparently works for NVIC. He gets paid to spread fear and misinformation about vaccines in an effort to keep kids unvaccinated, get them sick and send them to doctors, thus reaping profits for insurance companies.
Hey look! I can play “tinfoil-hatter” too! Still waiting for some of those scientific articles you must have somewhere. Or a response on your chain letter e-mail, and how it was completely bogus, paid by anti-vaccination groups, done by non-scientists, used arbitrary numbers, and was rife with speculation while being quite light on facts. But shouting “Big Pharma crony!” is much more convincing, right?
Report Post »Spyndoc
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:12pmNVIC is a great resource. As a doctor, I have first hand knowledge that physicians contribute a great deal of the data that is disseminated from the site. You want to talk about bias, go to the CDC web site or ACIP which are loaded with conflicts of interest. NVIC is non-profit and has no agenda in preserving our liberty.
Report Post »staggerlee32
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:19pmhttp://www.naturalnews.com/vaccines.html
Exposed: CDC deliberately manipulated, covered up scientific data showing link between vaccines containing mercury and autism
Learn more: vaccines news and articles http://www.naturalnews.com/vaccines.html#ixzz1f2MRJEcu
Report Post »Locked
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:21pm@Spyndoc
I don’t doubt them for some of their work in forcing doctors to disclose potential known side effects in vaccines; I do doubt them on the sincerity of their efforts on linking autism to vaccines, which is why the group was originally created. Non-profit though they may be, their most prominent members (including co-founder Barbara Loe Fisher) have made a career out of writing books trying to link the two.
I would like to ask: as a doctor, do you believe there is a link between autism and vaccination? If so, what scientific studies do you base this on? The resources on the NVIC site about autism include items primarily from their members and news reports surrounding the controversy these views stirred up. I can’t seem to find any clear scientific articles actually on the topic, just books suggesting links.
Report Post »Libertyluvnmomma
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:29pmLOCKED- my sentiments exactly.
Report Post »Libertyluvnmomma
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:34pmLOCKED- While I agree with your fist post, I completely disagree with your stance on vaccines- hopefully despite your bias you respect other people’s liberty to do as they chose.
p.s.i am so pro life that I will not allow vaccines that use aborted fetal tissue in mine or my children’s bodies….or formaldehyde…..just sayin’
Report Post »Locked
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:40pm@Stagger
A few notes:
1. the “mercury” in question is part of a preservative, not the vaccine itself. It’s called thimerosal.
2. The preservative has not been used in childhood vaccines since 2001, after the CDC called for its removal in 1999 for precautionary measures. It later concluded there was no danger.
3. Other studies showed no correlation between the two. One such study was over 7 years, but of course was released by the CDC, so I’ll imagine it will be discounted in your eyes.
4. Up until now, critics mostly relied on Mark Geier’s study, which has, as usual, been widely discredited (improper use of statistics, incorrect analysis, mislabeling, uninterpretable results, etc).
That all said, I’ll need to read into this new information. The link you provided was rather scarce on what the exact e-mails said, and how damaging they might be. New information is always appreciated.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:44pm@Libertyluvin
” I completely disagree with your stance on vaccines- hopefully despite your bias you respect other people’s liberty to do as they chose.”
Of course I do. I just don’t think they should be included in the public school system carte blanche. I understand religious exemptions or health concerns; some families do have genetic concerns that keep them from getting some vaccines. “Philosophical reasons” or “I just don’t feel like it” doesn’t cut it in my book. Public schools should do their best to provide a safe learning place for kids; that includes making sure those who come are as safe as possible when it comes to disease. Herd immunity can protect those with legitimate reasons, but conspiracy theorists don’t fall into that purview in my book.
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 6:37pmmy child is vaccinated, no autism no problems, me on the other hand acquired a fun case of whooping cough last year which turned into a week long hospital stay because of said idiots who do not vaccinate their children. adults are now at risk since our childhood vaccines have worn off. anyone who feels they shouldnt vacinate feel free to pay for the rest of us getting sick.
Report Post »mck05002
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 6:45pm@Locked
Report Post »Here’s a website highlighting the 14 studies conducted on whether a vaccine-autism link exists. Each study is broken down and graded based on whether they asked the right question, had conflicts of interest, their ability to generalize, and post-publication criticism. I think you will be shocked to find that many of the studies used to claim that autism has nothing to do with vaccination cannot make that claim. Only one of the studies was even conducted on American children and that study didn’t use any completely unvaccinated children as a control group. Each child in the study had received at least 1 thimerosal containing vaccine. Several of the studies were conducted and funded by Merck a large producer of the vaccines in question. Many of the studies used a mercury found in fish that is broken down differently by the body than is thimerosal. And several of the studies used mercury in levels more minute than those found in vaccines. Several of the studies also admit that they can‘t rule out a relationship but they don’t know whether it was causal or not. Also just for you information, thimerosal is still used in the flu vaccine and was used in the H1N1 vaccine of 2009. These vaccines are administered to children at least as of today when I saw a child getting one in my local drug store. http://www.14studies.org/studies.html
mck05002
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 6:50pm@Horsecrazy Actually my friend, unvaccinated children are not likely the cause of your whooping cough misfortune. You admit the you didn’t keep up on your vaccination. After a child receives the DPT shot officials note that all unvaccinated children and adults should be kept away from the recently vaccinated child, because they will be shedding those bacteria and viruses for up to 1 week. So most likely you came in contact with a recently vaccinated child. Sorry my friend the vaccine got you!
Report Post »staggerlee32
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 7:17pm@LOCKED is lying about Thimerosal not in children’s vaccines. I have children and before I was an informed patient My 1st child got vaccines and my 2nd got some…. I did enough research to know I didn’t want them to have Thimerosal and everytime we went to a doctor they would print out info from the CDC on how safe Thimerosal and the “trace” amounts of mercury in it was. They would finally give in and give us the thimerosal free vaccines. So I needed to know why they were always pushing thimerasol when they had it without it, so I did A LOT more research. Also when I moved to where I’m living now the new doctor we got here did the same thing as the other doctors, but this time it was different. My 2 year old came home from her 2yr round of shots and could barely speak and she was putting together long sentences before she got the shots. I called the doctors office and asked for her shot records and told them I wanted the manufacturers and lot numbers of all the vaccines my kids had since we had moved here. What happened next is another story. But after sitting in the office for over an hour they finally gave me the records. I went home looked up all the shots and they LIED to us about giving them thimerosal free shots!!!! I went through the roof. But there was no way to prove that we asked for thimerosal free shots. It would have been our word against theirs.
Report Post »Deb C
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 7:17pmUntil you’ve watched your healthy child fall to the floor with an unblinking stare, not breathing…after having been given the mandatory DPT vaccine – THEN the whole gamut of tests and office visits and treatment, NOTHING you write will put me in favor of having MY child given these dangerous drugs.
Report Post »staggerlee32
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 7:33pmAnd by the way I have since learned that even the thimerosal free shots aren’t really free. They make the vaccine with it and them extract it and there are still trace amounts. The other thing about MERCURY (thimerosal) is the amount your kids get is more then the FDA says you can eat in fish. It is illegal to have that much mercury in your water supply. The needles your children get injected with have to go in bio containers. It is ILLEGAL for them to put the used needle in a trash can and go to the dump because there is TOO MUCH MERCURY in it! Mercury is one of the worst neurotoxins known to man and your kids are being injected with it, not to mention aluminum and lots of other nasty stuff you should know about. So if you want to listen to “LOCKED” do it at your own risk. Did you know they guess on the strain of flu every year for their vaccines?
Report Post »Locked
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 6:54am@Stagger
” …lying about Thimerosal not in children’s vaccines. I have children and before I was an informed patient My 1st child got vaccines and my 2nd got some…. I did enough research to know I didn’t want them to have Thimerosal and everytime we went to a doctor they would print out info from the CDC on how safe Thimerosal and the “trace” amounts of mercury in it was.”
Not quite true; the actual wording I should have used is “it has been taken out or has trace amounts; which is one microgram or less of mercury per dose. Sorry for getting that wrong; although I notice you still have not brought any studies to the table about it actually being dangerous, nor refuting the findings of the CDC. You‘re off when you say it’s more than fish; 12 oz of fish would contain 42 micrograms of mercury on average (depends very much on the fish).
“My 2 year old came home from her 2yr round of shots and could barely speak and she was putting together long sentences before she got the shots.”
I would explain to you how this is not autism, but I’m really thinking you just need a boogeyman.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:51pm“While parents may think it does no harm to others if their kids skip some vaccines, they are in fact putting others at risk, health officials say. No vaccine is completely effective. If an outbreak begins in an unvaccinated group of children, a vaccinated child may still be at some risk of getting sick.”
Kind of makes a good argument that vaccines are pointless.
I get science, I know some vaccines are good and worth getting. I also know that freedom means that I get to decide what goes into my own person, and act on behalf of my children as their proxy in the decision. There is no place for government to dictate people medicate themselves, no matter how “nice” the intentions.
Report Post »Firebrand
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:12pm@ghost
Agreed. The governments job is to make sure that no one can infringe on my life, liberty or opportunity for happiness. So, while I agree that no one should be forced to get a shot, I also believe that to protect all children, that non-vaccinated children shouldn’t be allowed in school.
I think the take home wasn’t that “vaccinated kids can still get sick”, but that non-vaccinated kids can still pose a risk. Ergo, If everyone was vaccinated, no one would be at risk. The point trying to be made is that we should apply Pascal’s wager to child health…
I get that you were being tongue-in-cheek. Just thinking out loud and in ink. =o)
Report Post »Lone-Wolf
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:25pmHow the hell is someone who doesn’t get a vaccine putting someone who did get a vaccine at risk!!???? I mean, they’re the one with the “enhanced” immune system since they were vaccinated. On the article there is a consequence to someone who doesn’t vaccinate their children. It’s called no Autism.
Report Post »mamabearCali
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:26pmFirebrand–how does a non-vaccinated child pose a risk to a vaccinated child. The shots work right? They prevent horrible diseases with precious little risk. That is why everyone should get them….isn’t that the argument. So in light of that a child that has immunity from X disease has nothing to fear from a child without immunity from X disease.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:43pm@Firebrand
Yep, I have no problems with aforementioned unvaccinated kids being disallowed from going to public school. That’s dandy, public schools should be avoided anyway so it’s a win win. :)
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:53pmI thought kids HAD to have their shots in order to attend public school? Are we talking private school or home school?
Report Post »Locked
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:09pm@Anonymous
Some vaccinations are mandatory, others are not. Many have exemptions, as mentioned in the article. It varies state-by-state.
Report Post »Libertyluvnmomma
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:37pmcould I get vaccinated against accidents please?
Report Post »I realize I might die tomorrow.
vtech61
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:49pmOh and BECK.
Not sure why you hired X Huff-Po people to run your stories/site.
No worries, it will all come out with the wash.
Report Post »The tracking and stuff they are doing is NOT a good thing. IMO
maumau
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:23ambeck started this but others run it, he has too much to do to oversee all of the stories
Report Post »David
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:48pmMy parents got a “religious exemption” so I didn’t have to get my shots, hahahahaha
Report Post »LadyLibertykicksASS
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:36pmThat’s nice……hope you’re very lucky…some of those vaccines could save your life!!!. I would not be laughing if I were you. With all the crazy stuff going on i n this world; who knows what will be used as a potential Weapon. Diptheria spreads like wild fire and almost all die.
Report Post »mamabearCali
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:44pmLady liberty what makes you think they are going to use a bio weapon that people have any hope of immunity to? That would be a waste of a bio-weapon. Additionally when diphtheria had such a serious kill rate we did not have a whole host of medication and treatment today that would make it much more survivable. Now I am not saying people should not get DPT’s–that is up to them after a careful assessment of the risk to them personally vs the reward. But there is no need for hysteria.
Report Post »GilbertAcct
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:08pmLadyliberty… “almost all die”… Nope. I believe about 5-10% die. It is true that it is one of the more dangerous diseases.
Report Post »Wolf
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:23pm@ Lady… how do you know the vaccines will even work? Just because the gov says they will? Oh, right: “We‘re from the government and we’re here to help.” Right on,, Lady.
Report Post »We‘re over innoculating our children and lowering everyone’s resistance to diseases of every sort. Nothing new in that report, either: NEJM did an article on that in the 70′s. we‘ve ’eliminated’ many diseases- from American people. Now those diseases are making a come back and no one’s immune from them.
Libertyluvnmomma
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:58pmLadyLib-I never remember being tested to see if my vaccines were effective- were you?
the hpv has a 97% failure rate due to covering only 3 of the 100 strains of hpv
I just wonder how many strains of every virus exist and how often they mutate.
the considerations are endless.
Report Post »glad your convictions are so solid. wonder what your expertise is that led to such confidence in the government/big pharma- a marriage as far as I can tell.
Libertarian B 4 Libertarians Were Cool
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 5:00pmLadyLibertykicksASS
How many cases of Diphtheria has there been in the U.S. in the last decade? How many adverse reactions to the vaccines? Might want to do your research instead of guessing!
Report Post »hsolo91
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 7:08pm6 times more adverse reactions to the measles vaccine than cases of measles in 2011. And at most 10% of adverse reactions are reported.
http://www.whale.to/v/six_times.html
Report Post »Brooke Lorren
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 9:11pmSeriously? Almost all people die from diptheria? That would make it an even deadlier disease than the pneumonic plague that spread through Europe in the middle ages, or the H1N1 influenza outbreak of 1918 that killed about 50 million people.
Then there are vaccines against diseases that only a minute portion of the population dies from, like chicken pox. They still have the same nasty ingredients that the other people have.
Report Post »Libertarian B 4 Libertarians Were Cool
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 10:57pmBrooke Lorren
Seriously, There are zero cases of diphtheria in the US and its not because of vaccinations… It’s because of sanitation, we no longer have raw sewage in our drinking water… Crack open a book and don’t be so hysterical and ignorant!
Report Post »4GODUSAANDISRAEL
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:48pmIt really should be up to the parents as to whether or not their kids get vaccinated, telling them otherwise is unconstitutional. It’s like seatbelts, there’s a law that says you have to wear them, however, I know people who have fought no seat belt tickets and won, because it is unconstitutional to tell someone what they must do inside their own property. (i think they’re idiots for not wearing one but whatever, their choice.) However, my belief with the vaccinations is that unfortunatley, no drug has a perfect record, some people will have adverse reactions to every drug/vaccine out there. But, my kids will be/are vaccinated. some of the diseases their being vaccinated for are downright scarey if they end up coming down with it. But, I ama gainst giving my children the flu shot. They are strong healthy kids, and getting the flu may suck, but my doctor told me that if they do get the flu, it’s better than the shot because their immune system gets a “full work-out”. so there’s my 2 cents.
Report Post »Mommy_of_3
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:28amI agree with you 100%
Report Post »David
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:46pmIf there is one corrupt organization that Glenn Beck does not talk enough about, it is the FDA.
Everyone overlooks their overreaching power.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:03pmThis is where the media and government are all in cahoots and will discredit anyone who opposses vaccines.Don’t be fooled;any vaccine that needs a booster shot is not a real vaccine. Small pox has been eradictaded because there was a real small pox vaccine. These others are fake and dangerous vaccines . Fox and mainstream media will never fess up to the harm these vaccines have caused.Instead they’ll label all opponents as antiscience when it is they who reffuse to look at the evidence against vaccines.
Report Post »vtech61
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:46pmWe’ve opted out of gov. (recommended/advised and/or mandated) vaccines, for years.
The
Consequences?
We’re healthy for opting OUT.
Even fluoride, put in ‘city folks’ water, along with a lot of bleach
and/or other nasty/nice things they drink, I THINK, are corrupting their minds… IMO
City folk, in Democratically controlled cities, have no clue that they DRINK the KoolAid…
(No wonder we still have a few ‘socialist hold out’ idiots, who post here)…
In other words:
The KoolAid runs deep in the BIG failed cities, controlled by liberals for DECADES.
(subversives/socialists)
ALL the ‘government programs’ for MUST HAVE vaccines, for years….
WILL be ignored by people, who know better.
Keep DRINKING the koolaid American Idol peeps, and be an useful idiot.
Report Post »staggerlee32
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:41pm@LOCKED
Report Post »Do you work for Big Pharma? Or make money from them somehow?
Susan
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:56pmThey and many here contradict themselves. If vaccines are so important and, children are vaccinated, why is an unvaccinated child a risk to a vaccinated child?
Ask yourself, why does the government see your unvaccinated American child as a public health risk? They obviously don’t feel that way about children that are here illegally. Not once in this article were those children sited as a risk to public health.
BTW….I saw Obama during Thanksgiving yet again stuffing his face with the same hot dogs he won’t allow schools to serve our children.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:01pmNeither. Do you work for the anti-vaccination coalition? It would explain you touting chain e-mails showcasing discredited “studies” by non-scientists who are paid by organizations like NVIC and the ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute.
I looked up the information, realized that the two sides are as thus: on one, overwhelming evidence that dangerous diseases have decreased over time as a direct result of vaccination and herd immunity… and on the other, paranoid parents with either too little education or too much misinformation being led by groups thoroughly discredited by almost every scientist in the field of pharmacology and immunology.
I also bothered to look up the diseases vaccines prevent. Some are relatively mild (no chicken pox vaccine when I was a kid; I got it, just like everyone on my street), but some are horrific, such as smallpox, meningitis, or TB. I can’t believe people would subject their children to those risks.
Report Post »mamabearCali
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:08pmLocked—so you know–the TB test you get IS NOT A VACCINE! It is a test that shows whether or not you have been exposed to TB and have developed anti-bodies against it. It will not protect you from TB. Would not want you to think that you have protection that you don’t.
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:10pmBTW….I saw Obama during Thanksgiving yet again stuffing his face with the same hot dogs he won’t allow schools to serve our children.
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I can‘t believe schools don’t hire cooks anymore. Everything served to my kids is reheated.
When I went to school, I got fresh-baked rolls from actual cooks. Of course, the year I graduated was the same year Carter instituted the Dept. of Ed.
staggerlee32
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:11pmLOL I wish I could get paid by someone for being against vaccines…. but you my friend (LOCKED) just showed everybody who you are. I guess you run around the internet all day posting your BS about how great vaccines are and the awesome research and studies that go behind them. ALL LIES. I hope your pay is enough to get you into heaven. Just another reason the elitists want to shut down the internet, we can find the truth here. Just another 125 sites shut down the weekend.
Report Post »Susan
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:19pmClass of ‘78 here, so I’m one year older. I remember the food at school being very good.
My son graduated HS in ‘09 and the food was awful. I had lunch with him at school from time to time…the days I was volunteering. The food was horrible. Most days I packed his lunch.
You know, they weren’t allowed to speak over a whisper during lunch…IF the lights were on. If they turned the lights off, that meant they weren’t allowed to even whisper =(
Report Post »Locked
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:26pm@Stagger
“LOL I wish I could get paid by someone for being against vaccines…. but you my friend (LOCKED) just showed everybody who you are. I guess you run around the internet all day posting your BS about how great vaccines are and the awesome research and studies that go behind them. ALL LIES.”
Wow, random internet person who refuses to show any studies, statistics, or data, gets upset when he can’t back up his claims. You cut me deep.
@Mama
“so you know–the TB test you get IS NOT A VACCINE!”
I know. But a TB vaccine does exist. It’s optional here in the US, but I got one before heading to India. Look up the Bacillus Calmette-Guérin vaccine; it’s one of the most widely-used in the world, but is not mandatory in the US where TB is effectively wiped out… due to vaccines.
Report Post »mamabearCali
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:31pmNo locked it was not a vaccine that made TB scarce….The TB vaccine was never widely used here in America. It is a very risky vaccine. What got rid of TB here in America was better housing, better ventilation, better nutrition, better treatment of those with TB, careful screening of immigrants for TB, pasteurization of milk from mass farms, better sanitation. A whole host of wonderful advances in society came together for a happy occurrence that TB does not have a huge presence here in America.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:43pm@Mama
“It is a very risky vaccine.”
(Raises an eyebrow)
From a quick search online, BCG has one of the safest records of all vaccinations, with only 1 in a million patients dying (and those already had compromised immune systems). The only people it is risky for would be infants with HIV.
I agree sanitation and treatment helped tremendously in slowing down TB rates in the west, but vaccination also has a significant effect. There are more issues now, with TB becoming drug-resistant and with lower efficacy among adults, but it remains common outside the west and doubtlessly helps prevent what would be many more deaths otherwise.
Report Post »mamabearCali
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:58pmThis is my opinion, but the possible shedding of the virus by the recipient of the vaccine is what gives me great pause. Like you said TB is very serious. This is not measles or mumps that if a person gets it from the shedding they will likely be just fine (sick for a week or two but just fine), this is TB. Additionally I say again that here in the US the vaccine was not what got rid of TB.
Look I am not 100% anti-vax–I think there are some that are worth it for most people. I just don‘t want the gov’t or anyone else telling me or anyone else what medical procedures and risk I or my children must* take on. The gov’t is a poor parent and a terrible doctor. I know what medical history my family has. I know what risk we have of catching various diseases. I know what morals my family values highly. I am a fairly intelligent human being and can make the risk vs reward decision for me and mine.
Report Post »JLGunner
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:40pmThe cycle; Drug manufacturer pushes sales on tv. Lawyer sues drug manufacturer for side effects. You see this process reapeated daily on tv. Why would you trust the government?
Report Post »gmoneytx
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:39pmSo much for that apple a day thing!
Report Post »mamabearCali
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:37pmNeither the public nor the gov’t owns me or my children. I choose the medical procedures that I allow for each. That may or may not include certain vaccines and certain medical procedures. If you are worried about a particular disease–get your own shot. Then (so long as the vaccine works and does not kill you in the process) you are protected right? Problem solved.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:55pmThe only real vaccine was the small pox vaccine which only required one dose and you were immuned for life. When enough people were vaccinnated-the disease was wiped off the face of the earth. These other vaccines are frauds and are also dangerous. They can cause cancers later in life if not have adverse severe consequences right away. Of course the CDC and the medical establishment will label all parents as emotional and irrational if they correctly see the correlation with autism and a vaccine dose. and Hiv/aids was introduced in the human population when vacinnes made with monkey syrum containing hiv virus were used for these vaccines. That too will never be admitted by the government. Finally americans are getting smart about these dangerous inept vaccines-many which cause the disease themselves. And alot of these childhood diseases wax and wane in populations regardless of whether people have been vaccinated. a massive coverup exists which the government is committed to protecting. Vaccinnes are a form of government abuse where a utilitarian ethic prevails-children are expendable if they believe the vaccines are effective in some people and even when exposed as dangerous and ineffective-the government can’t admit it was wrong-too big to fail and too horrendous a crime to admit too[causing possible cancers and other diseases in people as well as the disease itwas suppossed to prevent].Don’t be gulled.
Report Post »I SPY
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:36pmWho knows what’s in that stuff. Any mandatory vaccine that comes from our government can no longer be trusted.
Report Post »staggerlee32
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:43pmIt’s easy to find the ingredients…. just look them up online. They are nasty concoctions.
Report Post »ooskerDoo
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:28pmI’m almost 50. I was never vaccinated. I have not missed a day of work in over 20 years. Am I really an anomalie?
Report Post »I have 3 kids. It was tough to convince my wife not to vaccinate – our 3 child hasn’t been vaccinated. She has been the healthiest one of the 3. Another anomalie? Good genes?
Locked
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:33pmCombination of good genes, good luck, and herd immunity. Have your traveled to developing countries, especially in South America, Asia, or Africa? They often have diseases that we hardly ever see outside of large immigrant populations here in America.
Report Post »TumbleBumble
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:21pm“…several studies have shown no link with autism, a theory from the 1990s that has been widely discredited.”
I hadn’t heard that nor do I believe that. My niece went for her baby shots (do not remember whether it was her 2 mos or 4 mos appointment) and shortly after receiving, she had a seizure. It had been determined later that she has autism. My sister had noted that, as she continued to visit this office over the next couple of years, that more than just a few children my niece’s age also had autism. Too much of a coincidence for me.
My son had chest pains within 15 minutes after receiving his second HIB shot. We took him to the emergency room but by the time he was hooked up to a monitor, they had stopped and nothing irregular was detected. I refused to let him get the third vaccine, and the school was giving me the hardest time. Went back to the doctor’s office and even got into it with the main doctor. I told him I would allow my son to get the third shot if doc signed a paper first stating that he would not have a reaction to it, since he was that sure. Of course he would not do it. And neither did my son get it. Doc did finally sign a waiver for me to take back to the school.
People have trust until they experience first hand what could happen. It is very scary.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:30pm“I hadn’t heard that nor do I believe that.”
Your anecdote is interesting, but it has nothing to do with the truth that the only “credible” report linking autism and vaccinations was fraudulent. Look up “Dr. Andrew Wakefield” for more information. This one man is responsible for most of the anti-vaccination hysteria around the western world, and he blatantly fabricated most of his results.
There are definitely significant (and extremely rare) side-effects from some vaccines, especially those administered improperly. Autism is not one of those effects. If both your niece and son are having reactions, it’s likely some genetic predisposition in your family.
Report Post »staggerlee32
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:47pm@LOCKED
Report Post »That story was all over the mainstream media…… the story that nobody talked about was that the guy that suppossedly busted DR Wakefield lied about it and got caught himself.
Locked
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:04pm@Stagger
Now I’m curious. Please show me the article, or preferably case name, of when Brian Deer was caught in a lie, sued successfully for libel, or any other such incident. It’s true that Wakefield sued him… and lost. Is that what you meant?
Report Post »staggerlee32
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:21pmI got this email yesterday…..
Dear Parents,
Take a look at how many vaccines infants get these days. Did you know if you followed the Centers for Disease Control’s recommended vaccination schedule, your child would get over 60 doses?
Doesn’t that seem a bit excessive? If you don’t think so, I have a question for you: “Why does the U.S. have the highest infant mortality rate in the world?”
Read More here:
Report Post »http://vactruth.com/2011/11/27/too-many-vaccines-mandated/
Locked
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:46pmI get chain mails too, often from the Prince of Nigeria. I put as much stock in them as I do this. First link I found while searching for this (assuming this is the Miller/Goldman paper from 2010):
1. Showed that both “independent” writers of said paper have no actual scientific credentials
2. Were paid by anti-vaccination groups
3. One has written several books, including such warm-and-fuzzy titles as “Vaccine Roulette: Gambling with your Child’s Life”
4. Over-counted vaccines by counting multivalent vaccines more than once, but only for the US; others in Europe are counted as one despite getting four vaccines in a single “shot.”
5. The extent of their data is CIA IMR statistics, their smudged numbers (as explained above), and… that’s about it. The rest of the article is speculation galore, with no other data.
Also, the US doesn’t have the highest infant mortality rate; even in the study referred to in your chain e-mail, the US was rated 34th, not first :-)
Report Post »Locked
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:18pmParents should indeed have the right to opt out of vaccines. However, public schools should continue to require said vaccinations, as they are for the public and any individual harm (mostly side effects as there is zero scientifically significant proof that vaccines cause anything like autism) is vastly outweighed by the safety against a pandemic in a classroom setting.
Their children can still enroll in private (usually religious) schools that do not require vaccinations. Or there is homeschooling. But they should not be allowed to place other children at risk in public schools.
Report Post »staggerlee32
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:26pmYou my friend need to do more research. I have one question for you; vaccines protect you from whatever your being vaccinated for right? Then you should not have anything to worry about if another kid isn’t vaccinated.
Report Post »Mr Sanders
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:36pmOur second child is coming soon. Our first has taken a backward development of late… started speaking, then, all the sudden, his mind started walking backwards, and we did 1/2 the vaccinations; no other complications or issues. BTW – he’s 3+. Our second we’ll be holding back a few that are know contributors of this “issue”. Let you know in a few years how it turns out.
Overall, there’s something hinkey with these shots and the data is starting to pile up against them. I’m just saying….
Report Post »staggerlee32
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:38pmWhy would you believe everything the people that are making billions of dollars on vaccines are telling you? Turn your TV on and during every commercial break there are ads for class action suits against the drug companies for the drugs they make. They pushed those drugs on our doctors who in turn pushed them on us….. all in the name of the almighty dollar. Do you believe evertything Pelosi, Boehner, Reid and Obama tell you? Then why would you believe everything the drug manufacturer says?
Report Post »ooskerDoo
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:45pmJust remember though, that when an Autism case is presented to the medical establishment “they” do “not” report it as something that showed up 2-3 days after an inoculation. No records to report a problem. Therefore they can hold their heads up high and state that there is no “scientific proof”
Report Post »Firebrand
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:52pm@anti-vaccination crowd
Correlation does not equal causation. For example, the percentage of cases of whooping cough has gone down in the last 100 years, but the percentage of people claiming to be gay has increased. Therefore, and using false logic, contracting whooping cough prevented homosexuality.
My point is that if vaccines caused autism or something else, non-autistic children would be the exception, not the rule. People play Russian Roulette with their kid’s health. I prefer the almost guaranteed outcome of vaccination over the probable outcome of non-vaccination. One other thing you have to realize is that you get antibodies from your mother during nursing after you are first born. So those claiming never to have been immunized, may have been without even knowing it!
Report Post »Locked
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:53pm@Stagger
“You my friend need to do more research. I have one question for you; vaccines protect you from whatever your being vaccinated for right? Then you should not have anything to worry about if another kid isn’t vaccinated.”
Ironic sentiment from someone whose next post is touting a chain e-mail. But I’ll play: if there are increasing numbers of children in a classroom without vaccination, they risk spreading diseases quickly. It’s for the sake of the unvaccinated children, not those with vaccinations; you are quite right in saying that those with vaccinations will mostly be safe. However, as any teacher can tell you, kids get sick all the time and schools spread the diseases; and illnesses that can be prevented by vaccines are no different. If no one vaccinates, then everyone can get sick. If most vaccinate, only the few who refuse will.
The schools, which receive public funding, would then need to pay for the children who are sick among their peers from diseases they should not be getting in this day and age: trips to the nurse’s office, disruptions in the class, time out of school, follow-up and make-up work for time off. If you want your child to risk this, do it on your own dime, not the public’s.
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:59pmIt’s not the vaccinated kids getting something from the un-vaccinated ones, it’s the un-vaccinated ones giving it to each other and it mutating into a strain that the vaccine no longer works against. Sure crony capitalism isn’t to be trusted, and none of these decisions should be made anywhere but at the local levels, where mass corruption is less likely and there are more checks and balances in place.
Report Post »staggerlee32
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:05pmFirst of all my kids don’t go to public indoctrination schools and my tax dollars are paying for them. Second it’s not a chain mail, it’s from http://vactruth.com/ and it is obvious you are a schill for the drug companies aka the Rockefellers.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:34pm“Second it’s not a chain mail”
Riiiiight…
“I got this email yesterday…..”
Keep spinning, man. Maybe if you yell “Big Pharma!” enough, someone will be convinced. Meanwhile, I’ll just keep stating the same truth: while there are possible (and rare) side effects to vaccines, studies on autism and vaccination have repeatedly shown no connection between the two. Meanwhile, vaccinating your children can keep them from getting harmful and potentially deadly diseases… and from passing them to other unimmunized children.
Report Post »jnealer
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 6:39pmCan‘t we just all agree that Locked is the only one on this board that seems to know what they’re talking about? Frankly, I’d believe the mountain of medical literature promoting vaccines than anecdotes from chain emails and well meaning, but meaningless anti-vaccine evangelists like Jenny McCarthy.
And again, if enough kids are not vaccinated, it allows a disease to spread and mutate, which endangers even vaccinated kids.
Report Post »Deb C
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 10:58pmYou do realize there is no “vaccine”/cure for the common cold don’t you ?
Report Post »Locked
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 6:39am@Deb C
“You do realize there is no “vaccine”/cure for the common cold don’t you ?”
Of course. Do you realize that vaccines and cures are different things, and why there isn’t one for the common cold? Your question implies you don’t.
Report Post »AxelPhantom
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:11pmWe vaccinated our children but on our schedule not the State’s. Instead of shots at 3 months, 6 months, 12 months and 18 months, they recieved them over a longer period of time (like years), our doctor actually recomended doing it that way after one of my sons had a strange reaction. All in all, in some states kids are getting 30 shots or more in a matter of months, with new ones being added every year.
Vaccines have their place, with all of the illegals coming over here I ended up getting Whooping Cough at age 36 even though I had been vaccinated as a child. It almost put me in the hospital as an asthmatic (I had to beg the doctor not to do it) and took me months until I could exert myself without a coughing fit.
Report Post »Whiskey-Sierra-Yankee-7th-Calvary
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:10pmHavn’t been vaccinated my entire life and have never had chicken poxs or any such childhood disease.
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Report Post »lukerw
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:09pmTrust Government… or GOD/Fate… not Both!
Report Post »Firebrand
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:08pmYou should reserve the right not to vaccinate your child. At the same time, the school system should have the right not to allow your child to be around other children.
Report Post »Mr Sanders
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:19pmWell, Homeschooling has been proven to be a better way to acquire your education.
I’ll one-up ya – If my kids don’t go into the “public” school system, then I should have the right to opt-out of paying 44% of my property taxes TO the “public” school system, shouldn’t I?
Question: What happens when school’s out and they become adults? Going to require something of adults too? I’m just saying….
Report Post »Firebrand
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:35pmI wholly agree with the school taxes statement you made. I have friends that live in one area and have kids that go to school in another. They have to pay school taxes to both districts.
For your other question, by the time the kids are adults, it’s too late. Childhood vaccines are typically for diseases that are deadly, disfiguring, or pose a high risk of danger later in life. The issue is that we don’t live in a time when polio and small pox runs rampant, so we have the luxury of playing “Monday morning quarterback” with our children’s health. The reason why it doesn’t seem like we need to do something about rubella, mumps, shigella, and polio is because of the vaccine requirements/regiment. I guarantee that parents with children who had their legs twisted and childhood stripped away after contracting polio would have welcomed the vaccine as an alternative. People don‘t realize the effectiveness of vaccines until it’s too late. There is a reason why you don’t hear or read about small pox and polio everyday in the news.
It seems many people have forgotten the cliche “An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.”. They see that there’s no disease and assume that the vaccines are therefore not needed. The thing is, the reason there’s a very small incidence of disease is BECAUSE of vaccinations.
Report Post »Mr Sanders
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:22pmWell, don’t get me wrong, I‘m for vac’s, in some ways. Its the ingredients they use to penatrate the cell walls so the body uploads them (the immune system), so to speak, and make the appropriate alterations to the genome. Using certain bacteria(s) or combinations that actually may weaken the “human” system itself…. in the long term. It can be paralleled by what’s being done to food.
I grew up with MMR & Polio separate. Now we have a whole barage of Vac’s that make me a little nervous. Some of these issues can be dealt with teaching simple obstention from certain behaviors. Otherwise, yes more research needs to be done.
Report Post »AzDebi
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:07pmDo a google search for “Doctor Mary’s Monkey”…you’ll learn more than you ever wanted to know about vaccines! It is an amazing story…and…TRUE!
Report Post »ADNIL
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:02pmAn awesome read. I highly recommend it. A real page turner. And….. it will answer a lot of questions on why there is so much cancer, and how the industry called the “war on cancer” came about. And more……like, how vaccines were intended to be used as biological weapons (can you say “depopulation”?). And, it’s all true.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:06pmBesides, what exactly do they vaccinate against? The real dangerous viruses mutate, and they can’t possibly know what they will mutate into. Or they will become drug resistant, and or resistant to the vaccines. You can not run faster than God.
Report Post »chips1
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:19pmI thought He wore sandals!
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:03pmYes the side-effect is that the vaccine manufacturers will lose a lot of money, and when they have lost enough then they will lobby the government (because Congress loves it’s insider trading) to pass laws making it a criminal act not to vaccinate children.
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