Archbishop: MSNBC, CNN, New York Times ‘Untrustworthy’ When it Comes to Religion
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The news outlets CNN, MSNBC, the New York Times, and Newsweek have come under fire by Philadelphia’s incoming Archbishop, for a lack of “trustworthiness” where matters of religious faith are concerned.
According to Archbishop Charles Chaput, the media do not “provide trustworthy information about religious faith. ” His comments were made Wednesday during an address on religious freedom before some 10,000 pilgrims at the Catholic World Youth Day in Madrid, Spain.
Archbishop Chaput told the group of young faith-goers, “in the United States, our battles over abortion, family life, same-sex ‘marriage,’ and other sensitive issues have led to ferocious public smears and legal threats not only against Catholics, but also against Mormons, evangelicals, and other religious believers.” CNSNews adds:
“And with relatively few exceptions,” he said, “the mass media tend to cover these disputed issues with a combination of ignorance, laziness, and bias against traditional Christian belief.”
The Archbishop continued: “We make a very serious mistake if we rely on media like the New York Times, Newsweek, CNN, or MSNBC for reliable news about religion. These news media simply don’t provide trustworthy information about religious faith — and sometimes they can’t provide it, either because of limited resources or because of their own editorial prejudices.”
“These are secular operations focused on making a profit,” he said. “They have very little sympathy for the Catholic faith, and quite a lot of aggressive skepticism toward any religious community that claims to preach and teach God’s truth.”
Archbishop Chaput noted that the media gave a lot of coverage to the so-called “Arab Spring,” involving civil unrest in Egypt and other Middle Eastern countries. “But very little of that coverage has mentioned that the turmoil in Muslim countries has also created a very dangerous situation for Christians and other religious minorities across North Africa and the Middle East,” he said. “In Egypt, angry mobs have attacked Christian churches and monasteries, burning them to the ground and murdering the people inside.”
Archbishop Chaput also criticized the lack of media coverage for widespread anti-Christian violence in Iraq, Syria, Tunisia, and Pakistan.
“Christians face frequent discrimination, slander, beatings and even murder,” the Archbishop added.
In addition, Archbishop Chaput warned that it is dangerous when democracies attempt to erase religion from the public arena:
“Forcing religious faith out of a nation’s public square and out of a country’s public debates does not serve democracy,” said the Archbishop. “It doesn’t serve real tolerance or pluralism. What it does do is impose a kind of unofficial state atheism. To put it another way, if we ban Christian Churches or other religious communities from taking an active role in our nation’s civic life, we’re really just enforcing a new kind of state-sponsored intolerance — a religion without God.”
CNS adds that Archbishop Chaput was named by Pope Benedict XVI to head the Archdiocese of Philadelphia. His duties will commence September 8, 2011.
It seems faith communities certainly have their work cut out for them when attempting to navigate the arguably unfriendly waters of mainstream media. Do you agree with the Archbishop that certain media cannot be trusted to deliver accurate information on faith and religion?
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Comments (368)
hillbillyinny
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 12:08amOne conservative Bishop against all the U.S. “social justice” Bishops! Oh, maybe there are two conservatives, in the Archdiocese New York City, Archbishop Dolan is a stalwart too.
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 12:40amArchbishop Charles Chaput is a hero! We now have two men in our country that has guts…
Charles Chaput and Allen West.
http://www.AllenWestforPresident.us
Report Post »Gatekeeper
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 1:07amLearn what Catholic social justice is before you speak. The left hijacked the term from Catholics and now it has put a stain on a real solution to or social problem, not their phony solutions.
Report Post »fastfacts
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 1:22amNOT JUST UNTRUSTWORTHY WHEN IT COMES TO FAITH BUT ALMOST ANY SUBJECT…
According to http://www.americanparchment.com the NYT attacked Rep. Issa and in their attack article had 13 errors on the first page. The article was anti-Issa and his investigations, and anti-business.
Look at MSNBC with their editing of Perry’s words, then they had to retract it really fast while continually attacking him: http://url2it.com/grsp
These are only 2 examples out of tens of thousands in the past.
Report Post »Wayner
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 3:25amSure there are pedophiles and adulterers in not just the Catholic faith, but all of the Protestant denominations also. The thing is that there seems to be a difference when it‘s a priest or when it’s public school teacher… But of course the school teacher is a government employee and will not gain as much MSM disdain.
Report Post »Seabee79
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 7:51am(MSNBC, CNN, New York Times ‘Untrustworthy’ When it Comes to Religion)
The Archbishop may also want to add anything else they report on also.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 8:26amThe Catholics (and most Christian religions) support the kind of help Jesus suggested. Jesus didn’t petition the Roman government to help the poor. He said the church should. When the government “helps” they take our money against our will and give it to people who choose not to work. If I want to help the poor, I’ll donate to my church, thank you. My husband’s adopted sister chooses not to work, and her husband can’t seem to keep a job. I’ll sometimes help out with groceries, but I won’t give her money. She spends it on beer and cigarettes, and then complains she doesn’t have gas money. I‘ve seen people on disability who have 4 kids and all the kids have Blackberry’s.
Report Post »GrannyATL
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 9:34amA’bishop Chaput has always been a man unafraid to call it like he sees it. I think it’s no coincidence that Pope Benedict has placed two strong conservative men side-by-side in the northeast — Dolan and now Chaput. That area has been a bastion of liberalism with bishops who have been weak.
Sorry Gatekeeper, but you’ve got it all wrong. Both Pope Benedict and JPII have condemned “Social Justice” that is based on Marxist beliefs, which is the current misunderstanding in many Catholic churches. As Christians, we are to help our brothers — and encourage them as we go. The government is not our keeper.
Report Post »freeus
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 10:12amArchbishop Chaput is a good man. Keep speaking the truth, especially to the youth. Secular Progressivism is a religion; a immoral religion of hate and intolerance.
Report Post »teamarcheson
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 11:47amIts too late Father, you and my Catholic Church have sided with the socialists, communists and Democrat Party for too long. The American Bishops withheld support form the laity’s battle in the streets and in Congress over Abortion. The Catholic Church in America supported the Democrat Party of Evil, and the lie of Social Justice,. The US Catholic Bishops actually resented any interference from the Catholic laity who paid the bills, contributed to fund drives, and were the Silent Majority of the Church. Now that the Church’s cherished allies are turning on the Church there is shock and ah. The Catholic Bishops supported Obama care even though it provides free abortions and birth control. Only the day prior to the vote in congress when everything had already been decided did the Bishops issue opposition to Obama care over abortion. Maybe the Bishop should watch some of Bishop Sheen’s videos about communism, and his warnings about the demonic in the Church.
Report Post »Rightsofman
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 12:36pmAt last someone in the Church is pushing back (pushing back = current media jargon for fighting back) sounds less violent I specs. God be with him.
Report Post »chazman
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 12:44pm… uh huh …
Report Post »becker88
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 1:46pmHe is right.
http://politicalbowl.com – Political Videos
Report Post »DJR
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 2:49pmThank you Archbishop Chaput.
Report Post »WE-SURROUND-THEM
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 3:31pmI like how he put “Mormons” on level with the catholic church. Most people don’t realize this but, if you consider yourself to be Christian, and if you believe that you need to go to church as part of a regular way in practicing your faith. There can actually be only 2 churches that could be the true church. The Catholic church admits this. It can either be the Catholic church, because they believe that they have an unbroken lineage of authority to act in God’s name from Peter. The other is the LDS Church, because the LDS Church believes than the authority to act in God’s name was restored to the earth after having been withdrawn after the Great Apostacy. No other church can be the “true church” because any of the protestant religions i.e. baptists, methodists, lutherans… where all churches that broke off from the catholic church without having the authority to do so, therefore those churches are not places where you can find the fullness of the gosple. Also, any church that broke off from the LDS Church i.e. RLDS, FLDS, or was started by former LDS members that had been excommunicated i.e. Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovas Witnesses did not have any authority to do so. And for those of you that believe you are christians but don’t believe you are supposed to go to church, are mistaken despite the one, maybe two, obscure verses you find in the bible that seem to support that idea. There is a reason Jesus set aside 12 Apostles who thn set aside bishops and priests and
Gates
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 4:47pmThe bishop’s credibility is lost in his own churchs beliefs. Roman Catholocism is a works based cult with idol worship and the worship of Mary as a foundation. Martin Luther exposed them and today we know they are not Christians any more than other cults like the Mormans or Jehova’s Witnesses.
The sooner we get back to the basic tenants of Christianity the better. But most people are to lazy to really study what God says. Even most Protestant churchs have become so liberal that the truth has been lost. True Christians are now laughed at as crazies or worse. No wonder God said the gate is narrow and few will find it!
Report Post »Blacktooth
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 5:35pmWE-SURROUND-THEM
FYI; Jehovah’s Witnesses did not break off from the Mormons. These two religions have almost nothing in common. Their teachings are far apart as JW’s hold 100% to the Bible and the LDS’s hold to the book of Mormon. Oil and water!
It would be wise on your part to actually know what your talking about before making statements visible to the world.
Report Post »Seasoldier
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 7:17pmArchbishop Chaput has long been a courageous and faithful Catholic bishop. He is finishing up his tenure as Archbishop of Denver and transferring to take charge of the Archdiocese of Philadelphia. Now he‘ll be front and center on the national stage and I’m sure there will be many more instances where he tells the truth to the Socialist Culture of Death Elitists. May God bless him and keep him safe.
Report Post »LibertarianForLife
Posted on August 21, 2011 at 4:50amWhy do you think they smear you? Keep your nonsenical religion out of politics. The only argument you fools have is regaurding abortion (which i agree with you on). Its bad enough that you guys have imaginary friends, please stop pretending his false morals are correct.
TRUTHandFREEDOM
Posted on August 21, 2011 at 7:29amFirst; I have to say that the blanket description of US Bishops as being social justice advocates is worse that the CNN and MSNBC slander and THAT is disgusting.
Second; If a Bishop or priest were to be that blunt on American soil there would be massive slander and increased hostile reporting toward the Catholic Church and Christianity in general. It would perhaps ignite a greater separation of church and state battle and it would get really ugly. I believe that this battle will come and that it is long overdue and it will be a non violent as the 8/28/10 Restoring Honor rally in DC was, hower, THAT will be the time for all Christians and Jews to rally and set the record straight. It is currently the time to educated people about the facts that people like David Barton have reintroduced to America about its own history. I’m talking about things like Thomas Jefferson attending Sunday services (where the public attended) as VP and for 8 years as President (A REAL President) INSIDE our US Congressional Chamber. That he brought the military band in to provide music for the services; that the first Congress, after moving our government to DC in 1800 authorized these services which also took place in our war department and Treasury office. that Separation of Church and state as declared and shown by example of our founding authors and government officials means the governent does not DICTATE, and it does not mean that we cannot have religeon on public land.
Report Post »saintc
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 12:08pmGatekeeper is right on target on this one.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on August 24, 2011 at 12:45amGates;
“The bishop’s credibility is lost in his own churchs beliefs. Roman Catholocism is a works based cult with idol worship and the worship of Mary as a foundation. ”
You’re absolutely 100% INCORRECT. Roman Catholicism is a grace-based faith, same as the mormons (i don‘t know about the Jehovah’s Witnesses). Though the Roman Catholic Church indeed believes that one may loose the grace of God (ergo; “mortal sins” and other wrong choices), they are NOt a “works-based cult“ or a ”works-based” anything. Roman Catholics, like the mormons, believe in salvation throug the grace of God.
And Mary is NOt the “foundation” of the Roman Catholic Church. Granted, they do fully support praying to Mary and I do find that highly unbiblical; it is NOt their “foundation”. Martin luther did have legitimate reasons to criticize the Catholic Church but they are not what you described.
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 12:08amThis guy is catching on, but extremely behind the times. Someone tell him ALL major networks are global elite-owned MSM now !!!!
Report Post »walkwithme1966
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 11:53pmSo is this Bishop saying the Fox News is truthworthy when it comes to matters of Faith? And I am suppose to believe a member of the clergy of the church that tried for years to protect and support priests who molested children all over the world – yeah, ok, I will – NOT – http://wp.me/pYLB7-1vV
Report Post »mrmikejohnson
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 12:06amMSNBC? What about just NBC? They assault God and America whenever they can.
Report Post »Steve
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 1:54amOne nation under, oooo look kitty, with lliberty and justcie for all.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 8:27amOMG, that was so funny…SQUIRREL!
Report Post »hillbillyinny
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 12:04amAs a Philadelphia for 40 years and an upstate NYer for a little over 22 years, I feel like Philly has gotten the best of the best in Archbishop Chaput. Say “it” like “it is,“ for ”The Truth has NO Agenda”!
God bless!
Report Post »Ericben
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 1:45amCongratulations on having a bishop that speaks the truth!
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 11:18am“They have very little sympathy for the Catholic faith, and quite a lot of aggressive skepticism toward any religious community that claims to preach and teach God’s truth.”
If the above quote is “saying it like it is” then you Christians need to grow a pair and quit mewling. Aggressive skepticism is the only way to report on “communities” that claim to exclusivly possess unalterable truths from on high. I’m sure you feel the same way about Islam.
You see, in the proverbial Battlefield of Ideas superstition and divine-warrent are to be questioned to exhaustion and not taken on face value.
If that is a bother to you then keep your religion to yourself and you won’t get your feelings hurt.
cheers
Mr_Meaner
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 1:36pm“Aggressive skepticism is the only way to report on “communities” that claim to exclusivly possess unalterable truths”
Al Gore disagrees.
So do most Muslims…and they get real twitchy about it.
I’ll take the peaceful dissent of a Christian leader, over the profane rants of an enviro-nazi, or the bombings of an offended jihadist, any day
Report Post »Darren
Posted on August 24, 2011 at 12:51amhillbilly & Eric;
I wholeheartedly agree!!!
Report Post »politicaljules
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 12:00amI am as pleased as punch to see the Catholic church growing a spine again!
Praise God.
Report Post »holy ghostbuster
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 7:06amDid they grow that spine with stem cells?
Report Post »Average_Joseph
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 10:16amYes, with adult stem cells.
Report Post »Jus-sayin
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 1:30pm@average_joseph
“Yes with adult stem cells”
Classic – You are my hero…
Report Post »Applehead
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 2:47pmThe majority of Catholics are great people! I mean church going Catholics! They’re is no doubt that we need to purge some Marxists that have infiltrated the church like they have the US Government, schools, companies and other Christian denominations. The world has a Marxist problem and they need to be purged! Keep praying to God to help us bc Glenn is right that we can’t do it without Gods help!!!
Report Post »Katydidnt
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 11:55pmWe have got some great bishops coming up. Ones who entered under John Paul II. The sixties was such mess. Bishop Kevin Rhoades of Fort Wayne IN is a peach. He would spend Christmas Day in the local prisons, stand out on the abortion lines, visit the disabled in their homes. He is a real shepherd out there tending to the sheep and looking for the lost. These younger priests are just on fire for the Lord.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 11:49pmI hesitate to type this but, here it is….
I trust the MSM was the news about as far as I trust a Priest with a child. Sorry preacher but, you guys did it to yourselves just like the MSM did. You both are guilty and should keep your mouths shut.
angelcat
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 11:56pmThe scandal was horrible, and I don’t excuse it. But the percentage of clergy of other faith and even teachers in schools is the same as the percentage of priests involved in pedophilia. ALL of them are evil for such conduct, but the media chose to emphasize the Catholic priests. I understand why and can’t really blame them since it IS worse when men of God do such things, but the clergy of other faiths are also men of God.
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 11:56pmYou’re right, it takes one to know one. The Roman Catholic Just for Men’s Club is as trustworthy as Islamic Democrat.
Report Post »slr4528
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 12:01amThen by your logic we should not trust our school teachers with a child as well. I have see many articles recently where teachers are molesting and having sex with their students. You can‘t condemn an entire religion due to the actions of a few just as you can’t condemn all teachers for the actions of a few bad teachers.
Report Post »jb.kibs
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 12:05amwhat? how many priests where busted out of how many (priests / pastors / ministers / nuns) total.
1 bad apple spoils all of the apple trees in the universe i suppose… mmmm.. makes sense… /roll eyes
Report Post »politicaljules
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 12:05amThemonk, SHAME! You are Way out of line. That is the kind of manipulation that we should reject. How dare you try to bring down religion with this. Your kind of thinking makes me sick!
It is no different than the radical black community trying to use slavery to put us into eternal guilt and servatude to their radical Marxist whims.
Report Post »jb.kibs
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 12:07ampoverty.sucks… does that mean… that YOU are one? because you speak with first hand authority.
Report Post »lonewolf57
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 12:08amWell,never throw the ‘baby out with the bath water’.The hatred for Catholics was around WAY before sex scandals.
For petes sake,we’re all guilty of sin.And that includes EVERY religion.But its never to late to be HONEST..
If accusations and history is to be abided by….lets EXPOSE history…and that includes all of the religions since creation.
AGAIN,Archbishop Charles Chaput,THANK YOU for standing up.There’s no reason to hide from evil.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 12:34am@all of the above
Report Post »My point was that the MSM should stay out of religion and religion should stay out of politics and the news. I think I said that BOTH were giulty sholud shut their mouths. I was hesitant to post this but I did find out one thing… no one hardly ever replies to my posts and when someone does it’s just one reply… until this one. No wonder people say really stupid things here… they just want the attention and to see how many replies they can generate.
sasquatch08
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 12:57amSLR,
I generally trust teachers not to molest children. I don’t trust them not to attempt to indoctrinate them into the liberal mindset with “participation trophies” and whatnot.
Report Post »MontyRay
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 7:26amI fear too many conservatives are falling in to the secularist trap of ultra-pure libertarianism–driven there by an over-reaching liberal administration and congress. While I don’t think any religion should endorse individuals or groups for public office, I do believe that freedom without consideration of morality is not freedom at all.
Report Post »Floyd ALsbach
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 7:56amYeesh that’s big of yah! What percentage of the male population commits crimes of any sort? What percentage of the male population commits sexual crimes? What percentage of politicians, police, firemen, judges, gov’t employees, preachers, doctors, nurses et. al. commit those crimes? What percentage of Catholic Priests???? Look it up yourself.
Report Post »proliance
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 8:01amThemonk is simply spewing the anti-Catholic hatred he learned from media like MSNBC. He’s a brainwashed victim and the result of what the Archbishop is complaining about.
If you look at the abuse in the Protestant churches as compared to the Catholic Church you’ll see that Protestants not only sexually abuse children at a higher rate, but they also cover it up and pretend it doesn’t happen. The lack of authority in the Protestant churches is a crutch used to excuse the ignorance. No hierarchy? Well, then its not our fault we don’t know about abusive preachers. They’re proud to say their churches are independent and have very little oversight.
Report Post »apollo18
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 8:12amIf you’re a monk, shouldn’t your “vow of silence” include your keyboard? “All priests are pedophiles”? Bet you believed Twanna Brawley and “Reverend” Al, too? What a joke!
Report Post »SimplexVir
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 8:17amMonk, If this is the extent of your ability to cogitate then maybe you should not be commenting in public. Based on your assumption that the Archbishop should “shut-up” because a very small majority victimized young men and then it was covered up. If you knew anything at all about Archbishop Chaput you would know that he is the reform agent to erase the 50 years of infestation by the hijackers of the Holy Roman Catholic Church. Pope Benedict XVI knows exactly what he is doing by installing Archbishop Chaput in Philidelphia, just keep an eye on him and see the impact he has on the city.
Report Post »Katydidnt
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 8:29amJesus handpicked 12 men to be his apostles. One of them was Judas. Did Judas’s sin taint all the others?
If your brother raped a woman are you guilty of the crime? Should people suspect you because you bear the same last name? They probably will and you would know what it is like to carry undeserved shame.
The greater the crime, the more people feel justified in attacking people only tangentially associated with the crime. Venting your anger at innocent people only increases the victims of the crime.
Report Post »If you were abused by a priest, I feel sad for that. If you knew someone who was abused by a priest, I understand your anger. It is good to address the individual who caused it and lobby for safeguards. It is not good to attack the sheep, because the wolf was in sheep’s clothing.
armywife77
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 8:55amNot all priests or bishops were involved in that horrible scandal. I am a devout Catholic and I believe that the guilty should be punished, but it is wrong to put all priests and bishops in the same category. I love our parish priest. He is a wonderful example of faith and leadership. He’s done so much for our family.
Please don’t insult all the clergy in the Catholic faith for the horrible actions of a few.
Report Post »mycomet123
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 9:15amTHE MONK, So 0.01% of priests are pediophiles therefore all priests are now? Truth of the matter is the percentage of pediophiles is less than other denominations COMBINED. The media just hates the Catholic church the most. You should call the New York times & get a job, they love NARROW MINDED INDIVIDUALS LIKE YOU!!!! I think you’re an ass–so does that make everyone on the blaze an ass? No only you!
Report Post »Konacow
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 9:30amYou know what else is funny about the “catholic church”, it states in the BIBLE (which is the WORD of GOD) that Priests and Bishops are to be MARRIED, but yet the “catholic church” tells them they can’t be, so they are NOT following GOD’S WORD. See another lie, wake up people and read the BIBLE. (BASIC INSTRUCTIONS BEFORE LEAVING EARTH)
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 9:31am@JD when you study Truths you can easily spot Reformers of the Gospel.
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 11:08am0.01% to be convicted of serious offenses, which also is a violation of Gods Commandment fails to justify the direction of the Roman Catholic Church. When the church was left into the hands of man, like everything else, it turns into mans purpose and not Gods. For anyone, Church or organization that states, only through them can you be saved, they are untrustworthy. Your works judged by other men really have no value compared to what God has planned. The only way to understand your plan is to develope a personal relationship with Him. Quantam physics outlines how it may be possible as to how this works, however, we will never fully understand Gods will. Attendance and gifting will NOT get you saved.
http://www.PeaceWithGod.Jesus.Net
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 11:30am@MyComet123 – by your own account, if I we’re Sexting your kids only 0.01% of their entire day, you’d find that acceptable. And that’s only 0.01% of their time that comes to your attention. It’s only 0.01%, that’s YOUR justification. You’re a sick individual.
Report Post »J. ann
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 11:54amKonakow,
For your information, before Christ, the Jews who took turns serving in the temple had to remain celebate before and during that time, even though they were married.
A man who is willing to abstain and sacrifice for Christ is indeed a holy man.
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 12:46pmDuring the time of the Temple history repeats it‘s self because you can’not leave man alone. Since Christ, only way to salvation is faith in Christ for he is the only way into Kingdom of God. No matter what a masterbating selebant man says about his church, faith in the Church will
Report Post »not save you.
mycomet123
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 2:58pmPOVERTY.SUCKS, I don’t appreciate you manipulating my words to fit your sick agenda. You sir–ARE THE SICK INDIVIDUAL!!!!!!!!
Report Post »Oldtimer2
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 3:13pmto the-monk The church (and by this I don’t mean just a denomination, I mean the THE CHURCH, the body of believers whose faith is in Christ) keeping her mouth shut and not speaking into the political discussion and the civil issues facing our country for the last 50 or 60 years is the number one reason we are in such a mess right now. We meekly gave over the authority given to us by Christ to further His kingdom and see His“will done on earth as it is in heaven” to the secular humanism agenda. I applaud this bishop for speaking out and telling the truth.
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 7:02pmMyComet123 – I’m using your analogy, it’s only 0.01%. Can the acceptable amount pediophile priests in the Roman Catholic Church be more than 0.01%? How do you go from average to normal. Now its normal to have a degree of sexual misconduct in your beautiful community.
It’s more than you realize.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on August 21, 2011 at 1:21amI want to thank each and every one of you for your replies. As I said earlier; I was hesitant to type (post) this. I’ve been to just about every Church or religion on the Planet, had dialogs with major religious leaders back in the late 80’s to the mid 90’s and came to one conclusion; they were mostly going towards a social justice platform. Even the Dalai Lama has recently said that he is a Marxist now. He wasn’t a Marxist few decades ago and his dead teacher is spinning in his grave if that’s possible.
Report Post »So, here’s my response to those that were nice and those that were not so nice…
@angelcat You are right.
@slr4528 You are right also. We could trust our teachers back in the old days but not now that the progressives have taken over all the schools.
@jb.kibs I don’t know and neither do you. Get me some real totals and we’ll talk.
@politicaljules SHAME? Out of line? Makes you sick? “No different than the radical black community trying to use slavery to put us into eternal guilt and servitude to their radical Marxist whims”. Sounds like you are a racist who hates blacks. (I did correct your spelling of servitude since you were too lazy to do it yourself. )
@sasquatch08 You got that right.
@MontyRay Religion, morality and freedom are not on the agenda of this administration.
@Floyd ALsbach Good question… show me the facts.
@proliance Sorry, I’m not a product of MSNBC brainwashing… I just saw an article on The Blaze and commented on it
The-Monk
Posted on August 21, 2011 at 1:22amcontinued;
Report Post »@proliance Sorry, I’m not a product of MSNBC brainwashing… I just saw an article on The Blaze and commented on it. It just happened to be from a Catholic priest. If it was any other religion I would have said the same thing.
@apollo18 Yes. I’m a Monk and you have no idea what a “Vow of Silence” is. Try it for one year and get back to me.
@SimplexVir Here are some of your “freedom loving” words; “maybe you should not be commenting in public” “a very small majority victimized young men and then it was covered up” “he is the reform agent to erase the 50 years of infestation”, need I say more.. Read your own words and “COGITATE” on that!
@armywife77 I did not put all religious people into one category.
@mycomet123 Please show me the 0.01% that you are referring to. I want the facts… not your opinions.
@J. ann I’ve been celibate since January, do I count? Oh, I forgot to mention the year… 1996.
@ Oldtimer2 If “the Church” had kept its ears closed and not let politics into “the Church” we might not have the problems we face now.
dontbotherme
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 11:44pmI agree with him! The media outlets he mentioned cannot be trusted to report an unbiased truth about anything, especially religious faith.
Report Post »SFsuper49er
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 9:43amYou can’t listen to them. It’s brainwashing your mind. It’s made to confuse you with so many different opinions. How can you get the truth out of that….
Report Post »Ron_WA
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 11:43pmWow. Amen. I tend to like to keep too much religion out of the mix; just like I don’t want to hear about your sex life, I generally don’t want to hear about your particular religious beliefs but the Padre has this one absolutely right.
“Forcing religious faith out of a nation’s public square and out of a country’s public debates does not serve democracy,” said the Archbishop. “It doesn’t serve real tolerance or pluralism. What it does do is impose a kind of unofficial state atheism. To put it another way, if we ban Christian Churches or other religious communities from taking an active role in our nation’s civic life, we’re really just enforcing a new kind of state-sponsored intolerance — a religion without God.”
Just like Jello, there’s always room for God, as long as it’s not force fed.
Report Post »wordweaver
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 11:41pmWay to give it to ‘em, Archbishop. Plain speaking, that’s what we like to see.
Report Post »woodyl1011fl
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 11:40pmThese demoniacs are untrustworthy about anything. They all are engaged in a total psywar operation against freedom, liberty and constitutional government. Not since Goebbels/Stalin/ Mao has there been such an effort; all for their Bolshevik/Maoist democrat party. Better include the AP in there as well. God is their greatest focus of hatred because He is total truth and they hate truth with an unquenchable unbounded hatred because they deny it exists..
Report Post »lonewolf57
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 11:30pmArchbishop Charles Chaput has my heart.A fearless man who calls a spade a spade!I may want to join the Catholic Church again someday.He gives me HOPE.THANK YOU
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 11:45pmJesus gives us hope. An Archbishop only provides hope that the church keeps pressure on the political agenda.
Report Post »ChristianLayman
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 11:56pmAmen to that, Brother. It would be nice if the other US Bishops would take up the call to fight these demons. Archbishop Chaput, I pray that you are the first in a new line of orthodox Catholic Clergy to replace the heterodoxy of the post-modernists.
Report Post »Tim Law
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 11:24pmOf course the media is biased against God and Our Lord Jesus. To believe in and walk in the light of the Lord would prevent them from living their life’s of sin and hate. That’s why I never watch their trash.
Report Post »beckwasfox
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 11:44pmI will take abuse for this but I have to add this. I have quit watchin tv since Beck left Fox. I watch some things on some of the faith channels but nothing mainstream including Fox. I am tired of the deception on the networks.
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 11:52pmWe quit watching TV since 2008 election. I‘m more spiritually alert now than ever before because I’m in the word of God, not any church telling me how to act.
Report Post »jb.kibs
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 11:54pmactually.. the simpsons are fox…
Report Post »ChristianLayman
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 12:01amAw heck, I don‘t even own a TV while I’m down working in SC and quite frankly, I’m more comfortable reading Old Books by Dead Men whose intellectual gusto is for more illuminating and edifying than what sick simple-minded doltery passes for the ‘educated elite’ of today.
Report Post »beckwasfox
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 12:01amOne more thing…Bill O’Reilly is one of the worst when it comes to deception.
Report Post »Jamestownrd
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 9:13amOreilly..is dipstick catholic ..amen
Report Post »HD Veteran
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 3:23pmYes, correct.
“Of course the media is biased against God and Our Lord Jesus. To believe in and walk in the light of the Lord would prevent them from living their life’s of sin and hate. That’s why I never watch their trash.”
Report Post »JediKnight
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 11:20pmNo, you can’t trust the media to give accurate information about anything. No need to qualify it. They can’t be trusted period.
Report Post »fastfwd
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 11:29pmyep !
Report Post »beckwasfox
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 11:46pmOne more thing…Bill O’Reilly is one of the worst when it comes to deception.
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 12:01amI believe what you really mean is that Bill O’Reilly is one of the BEST when it comes to DECEPTION
Report Post »beckwasfox
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 12:37amI stand corrected.
Report Post »lcovar
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 11:11pmI don’t watch CNN, MSNBC, the New York Times, or the Newsweek but I am glad they do.
Report Post »All religions need to be investigated for child abuse, fraud etc..
They are as corrupted as many politics.
jb.kibs
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 11:53pmyou would know best.
Report Post »angelcat
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 11:59pmThey don’t investigate. They report, and they report based on their preconceived notion that religion is just an old-fashioned fantasy for the stupid.
Report Post »farfel
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 6:25pmStatistically there are a far greater percentage of public schoolteachers who have abused children than of the infinitesimally small percentage of Priest abusers—-so, will you take all the children out of the public schools, and should all schools be shut down and stop teaching? That’s how deranged your thinking is.
Report Post »The Third Archon
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 11:06pm“Forcing religious faith out of a nation’s public square and out of a country’s public debates does not serve democracy,”
Doesn’t seem to have hurt France all that much. By which I mean, everything that is still wrong with France was wrong with France PRIOR to them becoming so super secular.
Report Post »Jamestownrd
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 9:11amYou are not obedient to God THIRDAR
Report Post »The Third Archon
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 11:05pm” quite a lot of aggressive skepticism toward any religious community that claims to preach and teach God’s truth.”
Report Post »It’s not your preaching “God’s truth” that they have a problem with–it’s claiming that we should politically disenfranchise gay citizens (specifically of their equal marital rights) on the basis of said preached truth that they find offensive. Most of them also take exception to your stance on abortion, although at least there you can present logically sound reasons without evoking the Bible (which mentions nothing about abortions and of which [abortions] God performs a few of upon the enemies of Israel, so it’s kind of unclear given scripture what His opinion would be on the subject).
MODEL82A1
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 11:14pmSorry, THIRD, but gay American citizens have EXACTLY the same marriage “rights” as everyone else.
Report Post »bullcrapbuster
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 11:16pmMarriage is ordained of god. Homosexuality is not.
Report Post »David Hudson
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 11:20pmWhy not get back to what our Founders enshrined in the Constitution and get the federal government out of marriage, period. There is zero constitutional authority for the US government to meddle in individual affairs. It is up to the states to decide.
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 11:27pmDAVID, you have just described marriage law exactly as it exists today. It is and always has been a matter of state law.
Report Post »The Third Archon
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 11:34pm@BULLCRAPBUSTER
Report Post »Actually, it’s usually ordained by a minister, a justice of the peace, a captain, or a government official. Really anyone can become sanctioned to perform a legal marriage, it’s actually not that difficult.
The Third Archon
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 11:40pm@DAVID HUDSON
Well that’s a nice idea, but unfortunately since the federal government offers a tax credit for being married (in that filing as a couple gives one a reduced collective tax rate that is lower than what two separate incomes would be taxed at if you filed as though you were single) it kind of HAS to make a determination on marriage, in that it has to decide to whom this legal tax status is applicable too (and therefore who is legally married, at least from the federal government’s perspective).
Also, making this issue a state issue isn’t really satisfactory to either side–
Report Post »If you’re a conservative, it’s basically a roundabout way of legalizing gay marriage while washing your hands of the dirty agency involved in it. Since states have to (are constitutionally required to) recognize each others’ marital licenses, it would just effectively legalize gay marriage while simply making it more time-consuming and costly to obtain one if you live in a red state.
On the other hand, if you are left of center, then any inconvenience like this, no matter how redundant, is an injustice because there is no compelling logical state interest to NOT give gay people the same access to marriage and legal marital benefits and rights that straight people have.
MODEL82A1
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 11:48pmTHIRD, another swing and a miss. Marriage, as an institution, is ordained of (or by) God. The person performing an individual marriage ceremony is simply an official. Only god can ordain.
Report Post »The Third Archon
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 12:10am@MODEL82A1
Report Post »I was being sarcastic. Since apparently that went over your head, I suppose I should make my opinion on God a little more clear. Since there isn’t any objective evidence other than your say so for which, of the many competing definitions of God and His will, are real and which are fabricated, for the purposes of U.S. law I quite frankly don’t care what God, or what you think God, says about marriage. Besides which, “because God said so” isn’t a good argument anyway. It’s an appeal to authority, and sure it’s the highest authority, assuming you’re right, but it’s still just an opinion of how something should be–not a reason WHY it should be that way. And the frank fact of the matter is there’s no good logical reason why it [marriage] SHOULDN’T be the same for heterosexuals and homosexuals from a legal standpoint.
ChristianLayman
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 12:13amOne can easily go to the Center for Disease Control and refute trying to legitimize homosexuality by listing all the medical side effects of engaging in acts contrary to anatomical function if done repetitively.
There are non-Biblical arguments for not engaging in sodomy or unnatural sex.
Report Post »lonewolf57
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 12:24amNo they don’t Model.Men don’t marry Men.Women don’t marry women.Only 1 man and 1 woman can marry.The laws of nature demand it,let alone God,our creator.
Its so unnatural that its like trying to put a square peg into circle.Oops,its ain‘t woikin’
Report Post »BUDDY LITTLE
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 1:05amThe third archon,….Psalms 106:36-42
Report Post »The Third Archon
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 1:13am@CHRISTIANLAYMAN
Report Post »That‘s not a reason why it’s immoral. First, because those things aren’t necessarily inherent to the act itself (it isn’t the intent, nor the effect, of gay sex to risk exposure to an STI any more than it is of heterosexual sex. It sometimes happens, and that is a tragedy, but the fact that you can get a disease while having sex doesn’t make sex categorically immoral, and it doesn’t suddenly become immoral when the chances hit a certain proportion (although that may make it a bad personal choice) ). As for “anatomical function” again, that’s not the same as morality, and that really isn‘t the government’s interest in marriage (that is to say how much sex is happening isn‘t really the government’s interest). I’m content to not base laws on arbitrary discrimination and assume that people will not continue to do something to the point of where it is uncomfortable and enjoyable to do it, and if they do, that’s their problem, but that doesn’t make it immoral. You can also hurt yourself having too much heterosexual sex, but that doesn’t make it categorically immoral.
The Third Archon
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 1:35am@LONEWOLF57
Report Post »Ditto what I said before.
@BUDDY LITTLE
Psalm 106 doesn’t say anything about gay/lesbian sex being wrong. It says you can’t worship idols, sacrifice your children, or spill innocent blood (it also mentions prostitution, but as an analogy to what doing these things is like). Since, most, gays haven’t done those things (except maybe the first one from a Christian perspective, although it isn’t necessarily intrinsic to being gay), they’re good.
IowaWoman
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 10:27amUnclear on abortion??? abortion is murder, God is very clear on abortion (murder of innocents). Marriage is a religious concept, get the state out of it! Let the state License all civil unions to get it’s money. State-civil unions, church/temple/mosque-marriage. Take the word marriage out of the state license. would you be satisfied with this solution? I think not since California already had civil unions for same sex partners, IT WAS NOT ENOUGH.
Report Post »Seede
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 10:32amTHIRD ARCHON
Report Post »Depends on which god you are talking about when you talk about truth. Arab god? Mormon god? Jewish God? third archon god? Take your pick. There are hundreds of them out there. The Hebrew God commands us to not murder. You can spin murder any way you want and it still comes out that a life was taken. Or perhaps you can even put a spin on that with the Roe vs Wade spin. You can spin anything that is on this earth but is it the truth? It might be the truth to third archon but not to the Hebrew God. As far as the Hebrew God taking a life is concerned, when He takes your life He offers another everlasting life to replace it. If you don‘t want that then that’s up to you. Your in the driver’s seat right now but the day will come that your license will expire. LOL– .
Restoreamericanow
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 11:01pmAMEN, Father!!
Report Post »Restoreamericanow
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 11:06pm.“Father” is the proper term to call a Catholic priest. Are you even Christian!? If so, shame on you for critiquing a two word response….
Report Post »Darren
Posted on August 24, 2011 at 12:49amFlorida;
Dude, that’s so lame!!!
Report Post »Phoenixsoulfire
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 10:58pmAmen
Report Post »Tired of Idiotic Comments
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 10:58pmIt’s sad that the USA is becoming a Socialistic (Communist) atheist country, while former atheist country Russia has become a more Christian country. Even China now allows the Catholic Church (but controls the appointment of its’ leaders).
Report Post »ChristianLayman
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 12:17amAs far as I know, the Chinese approved Catholic Church was excommunicated, and would thus have invalid Holy Orders.
Report Post »proliance
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 8:06amLOL, the Church didn’t excommunicate itself, the Church excommunicated bishops who where picked by the Chinese govt. but were not approved by the Church.
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 12:30pmTired of Idiotic Comments? Then don’t make them.
Russia has not seen an outbreak of any religious activity that is enviable. Stalin is set to be cannonized and Putin routinly uses the Russian Orthodox Church in his power grabs and as justification for his KGB-style authoritarian invisble-hand rule.
I won‘t even get started on China because you obviously don’t understand whats going on there.
America, on the other hand, is flourishing with religious expression and disbelief. This is good in a free and open society.
Report Post »beckwasfox
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 10:57pmAnd faith, science, politics, food, clothes, sex, race, urban areas, rural areas, war, Presidents, Politicians, other forms of media, sports, life, death, patients rights, the economy, the fed, the new world order, the rich the poor, the unborn, abortion, God, the middle east, Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Israel….I am sure I missed several feel free to add.
Report Post »BUDDY LITTLE
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 11:31pmADD….IMMIGRATION ,illegal aliens?
Report Post »SteamedinMichigan
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 10:56pmIt’s a shame. It truly is. I remember the days of Cronkite – the days when the news was the news. Over the years, it became so liberal – so clearly agenda driven that it has become scary. The press – for the most part – is driven by their own agenda rather than the truth. Liberals have controlled the media for years and the Main Street Media (many of whom the Arch Bishop describes) is simply becoming their mouth piece. Honesstly – the Left needs to look at themselves in the mirror – they are walking further down the path to Hell every day. They need to turn around
Report Post »randy
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 11:27pmOh Please, Hate to burst your bubble,,,,,,
Do some homework on good Old Walter……
The father of Liberal Progressive Media:
Report Post »http://www.aim.org/aim-column/the-terrible-truth-about-walter-cronkite/
Jamestownrd
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 9:08amRoman Catholic you are a POS…look at who you sidewith..no..lets just remember hitler…there isa romancatholics suppoted him..the blind leading the blind…Jesus said…“COME OUT OF HER”
Report Post »DLG123
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 11:41amJesus said “come out of her”? When was this said? Polish Catholics are numbered in the millions that were slaughtered by Hitler you moron. Poland is 96% Catholic. Hitler did not just kill Jews. It’s hard to ascertain exactly, but of the six million Poles that died in the Holocaust, 3 million were Jews and 3 million were Catholics. 50 000 Catholic priests and religious also.
Report Post »Dismayed Veteran
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 12:25pmI remember Cronkite. He was the one who characterized our overwhelming win in the Tet Offensive as a loss. Real honest journalism. He had a cult of personality that cost us big.
Report Post »stereojoe
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 10:56pmI do believe the Archbishop finally gets it. To seek spiritual guidance from CNN or MSNBC is like asking Satan to tell the true story of Christ.
Report Post »Free2speakRN
Posted on August 22, 2011 at 12:13pmHA! Ya got that right, Jack!
Report Post »santramir
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 10:48pmUntrustworthy when it comes to……absolutely everything !!!
Report Post »Cold War Vet
Posted on August 20, 2011 at 12:12amYou took the words right out of my mouth!
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 10:43pmUntrustworthy when it comes to…… religion?
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