Archdiocese of Milwaukee Confirms it Paid Suspected Pedophile Priests to Leave the Ministry
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MILWAUKEE (The Blaze/AP) — The Archdiocese of Milwaukee confirmed Wednesday that it had a policy to pay suspected pedophile priests to leave the ministry.
The acknowledgement was prompted by a document made public by abuse victims‘ advocates from the archdiocese’s bankruptcy that references a 2003 proposal to pay $20,000 to “unassignable priests” who accepted a return to the laity. The policy was crafted under then-Archbishop Timothy Dolan, who is now a cardinal and head of the archdiocese in New York.
Cardinal Timothy Dolan
The Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests characterizes the payments as a payoff and bonuses to priests who molested children. The archdiocese disputes that characterization, saying the payments were in part to more quickly move those men out of the priesthood.
The group is calling on the archdiocese to release all records involving the payments and its handling of clergy sex abuse cases.
“You don’t give a bonus to a man who rapes children,” the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel quoted SNAP Midwest director Peter Isely as saying Wednesday outside the federal courthouse in Milwaukee. “If they paid them anything it should have been for therapy and counseling.”
According to the Journal Sentinel, the 2003 bankruptcy document appears to be the first public acknowledgement of a formal policy to pay trouble priests to leave. The New York Times reported about the scandal on Wednesday:
Cardinal Timothy M. Dolan of New York authorized payments of as much as $20,000 to sexually abusive priests as an incentive for them to agree to dismissal from the priesthood when he was the archbishop of Milwaukee.
Questioned at the time about the news that one particularly notorious pedophile cleric had been given a “payoff” to leave the priesthood, Cardinal Dolan, then the archbishop, responded that such an inference was “false, preposterous and unjust.”
Disputing that, archdiocese spokeswoman Julie Wolf told The Associated Press late Wednesday that both the payments and the policy regarding them had long been acknowledged by the archdiocese.
“It’s not new news,” she said.
“SNAP sounds like they’re saying these were kind of payoffs to priests who had substantial allegations against them,” Wolf added. She said the payments were to help the men transition to lay life without completely losing access to needs such as health care.
The Journal Sentinel article noted that Dolan used similar language in 2006 when he defended a payment to one former priest. A phone message seeking comment from the Archdiocese of New York late Wednesday was not returned.
Wolf also called the payments “a cost-savings for the archdiocese” because the process to involuntarily remove a priest is lengthy and involves Vatican approval.
The bankruptcy document highlighted by SNAP references a meeting of the archdiocese’s Finance Council in 2003 that included Dolan, who was then archbishop in Milwaukee.
According to the document, members discussed offering “unassignable priests” $20,000 to accept the process known as laicization.
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Comments (98)
DelzLdy
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:55pmMany of you seem to be confusing homosexuality w/Pedophilia. These terms are no more synonymous than heterosexuality the Pedophilia. Just because a man prefers a man, or a woman prefers a woman, does in no means infer they prefer children!
While I feel the Catholic Church does have more than its fair share of Pedophiles {for whatever reason}, that has nothing to do w/homosexuality!
Report Post »JimL
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 3:03pmSome “confusion” about accusation vs criminal charge vs conviction too.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 3:40pmNo confusion about how a church that has acted in the way the Catholic Church has about pedophile priests would feel justified in taking any moral positions and making morally based proclamations. If there is a better case against organized religion, I haven’t come across it as yet.
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 3:44pmSo I guess they forgot to call the police and the district attorney………..
Report Post »inblack
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 4:49pmMen who seduce boys are gay. It is pedophilia as well.
There is no confusion.
Just as a man who rapes another man is gay and a rapist or a woman who beats her wife is gay and a wife beater.
Report Post »BatesclanMary
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:28pmPlease read AA-1025 the Memoirs of An Anti-Apostle by Marie Carre it is on line as a PDF it explained all that is happening now and all that has happened in the Church.
Report Post »edmundburk
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:53pmis it a Jack Chick publication?
Report Post »BatesclanMary
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 9:35pmNo it is a Tan book and very good
Report Post »CarolinaGirl
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:28pmDo you think it would help if priests were allowed to marry? That would cut down on the number of priests who molest children.
Report Post »BatesclanMary
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:33pmMost priests that molest children the children are boys—— they are gay duh
Report Post »Locked
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:35pm@Carolinagirl
“Do you think it would help if priests were allowed to marry? That would cut down on the number of priests who molest children.”
Statistically, yes. Many men do not join the priesthood because of the strict living conditions. If the Church suddenly had more priests, who would stay in monogamous, satisfying relationships, it would dilute the pool that currently has so many child sex offenders. (Completely random numbers ahead) If you have 100 priests and 5 molest children, then get 50 new priests and only 1 molests children, then the % of molesters decreases. Of course, there are more people molested overall, so while it would be less likely for a priest to be a molester, more molestation could occur.
But I‘m not sure if that’s what you’re saying. If you‘re implying that if a man had a wife he wouldn’t diddle children, that’s ridiculous. Pedophilia is a sexual attraction where one finds small children sexually appealing. A wife wouldn’t stop that fetish any more than she would stop a gay priest from being attracted to men. There would still be priests (married or not) who would act upon their compulsions and go after children.
Being celibate, single, or married has no effect on being a pedophile – a wife isn‘t going to stop a molester from molestin’.
Report Post »LondoMollari
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:39pmNo, it would not help. A lot of the abused are boys, so it would seem to note homosexual behavior. Maybe it is because they are homosexual or maybe the kids are just easily accessible. I mean, do you think that all prison rapes have to do with gay behavior?
The idea of priests marrying would not really solve anything, and then we’d just have the same issues that Protestant Churches have with their smaller congregations (usually financial) and time commitment towards larger congregations if the reverend is too busy with family matters.
Report Post »G-WHIZ
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 12:06pmWhen the early-Kings made the rules for the bishops(etc), they knew about them to “do” boys and married-women in their parrishes as “pennance” for supposed “crimes-against-God”. Being in the entarrage of the King, one coudn’t refuse the King, and they always got their way-with-them.
Report Post »“You need to give yourself to me for the good of GOD!” said all the bishops and priests. Now to the present… . The primevile-law is still on the catholic “books”, and they still delay, obvuscate, and hide the facts. They “just make them go away”.(for thousands of years).
edmundburk
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:22pmyou know it’s bad when the secular meterallists make a common cause with the spritral fascist evengelicals to bash the catholic church whenever they get a chance. Be carefull who you get into bed with evengelicals, after they weaken the catholic church, the secular meterallists and athiests
Report Post »will come for you!!
LondoMollari
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:49pmThey already are. It almost seems to me many white evangelicals and black protestants act like the country is still 90% white and 10% black and it will never change and they can’t figure out why their kids on the conservative angle join the Catholic or non-denominational church and why the real liberal ones go towards buddhism or atheism or human secularism.
The progressive movement got into their churches in 1930 when they got them to adopt contraception and won over the black churches saying they’d burn if you voted GOP, despite the fact that KKK was overwhelmingly democrat.
Report Post »inblack
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 5:46pmThe Blaze is regurgitating an AP headline without checking the facts. Billy Hallowell needs to go back to journalism school.
“ARCHDIOCESE OF MILWAUKEE CONFIRMS IT PAID SUSPECTED PEDOPHILE PRIESTS TO LEAVE THE MINISTRY”
This is just a lie. The Diocese has reported since 2003 that priests who were kicked out of the church for any reason were given money as severance.
Nice of the Blaze to headline with propaganda from anti-christian groups like the AP and SNAP and then claim 1st credit for the story.
Report Post »abbygirl1994
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:07pmLeave?? Did the Catholic church call the authorities and were they prosecuted?? Did the Catholic church turn them loose just for them to do it again?? Don’t the Catholics know, that if you love someone, you get them the help they need? Did you get them the help they need?? No you gave them money and turned them loose on society and that is just wrong! What about the victims.. did you pay them for their suffering?? Do you realize those children children’s sexual identity has been damaged and that some of them will grow up and do the same thing! Di you pay for their counseling… that could take years? God help you if you did’t! ANd thats all I have to say about it!
Report Post »LondoMollari
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:43pmIn a lot cases, that probably wasn’t realized, just like it’s not realized in the public education system where 10-13 times the abuse occurs or when American and European Protestants take sex vacations to Thailand, Cuba and the Phillipines and get involved with extreme minors.
I tell you what: you can accuse them of not going to the authorities when you would be willing to turn in a family member or child the SECOND you found out they abused someone.
It didn‘t happen at Penn State and it didn’t happen in the RCC.
Report Post »inblack
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 4:57pmMost of this was decades ago and although just as horrible, groups did not call in the police. That behavior is new.
Just like with thousands of public schools, the person was talked to or just asked to leave. This was as much to not subject the child to more trauma as it was to get rid of a bad person.
It is different now that police have counselors and there are better police procedures to track them.
In the past, sex offenders just left town anyway, there was no sex offender database.
But rant and rave all you want – this is the big opportunity for the church haters to attack.
Report Post »Melika
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:03pmSo we have old news reported in a biased fashion. The problem with this issue is that people tend to have such a visceral reaction that there is little room for conversation. There are plenty of manipulative children who tell the most abhorrent lies, sometimes on their own, sometimes at the behest of adults. How do you tell if a kid is lying about something like this, particularly when the kid comes back as an adult and claims it happened, with no way to find proof one way or the other? I personally know adults who, after therapy, now claim a parent they LOVED was sexually abusive to them when they were kids. It has ruined their relationship with both parents, and there is still no proof, just a vague memory they “recovered” in therapy. Do we all remember the satanic cult abuse of the 80′s when government psychologists convinced children that their parents were conducting ritualistic sacrifices and sexual abuse in their basements? How many innocent people landed in jail because their own children testified that they were the victims of sexual abuse? By the time the psychiatrists were done with these children, they described, in court, witnessing the most horrific infanticide, sexual rituals, and animals sacrifices, and the children believed they saw these things. Everyone needs to remember that this scandal broke in the 90′s, and was led by adults claiming they had been abused 10-20 years prior. This opened a floodgate of accusations, most of which were unfounded.
Report Post »Melika
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:23pmMost of the scandal revolves around the fact that the priests who were supposedly guilty (because we like to claim we’re an “innocent until proven guilty”) were moved from church to church when a new accusation or rumor came to light. Most of this was certainly due to the Church not wishing to have any such activity come to the light of day, and some of it might of been shear ineptness. It’s a large organization. Like the government, there are many officials who don’t know what the others are doing or why. Certainly, if any church official had enough knowledge of a crime and didn’t report it, they are just as culpable as the pedophile. But what do you do if you don’t have enough evidence? What happens when an adult shows up in 2003 and says, “This guy abused me.”? What happens if you see a priest who is behaving inappropriately, but hasn’t yet victimized a child or done anything to warrant the police? Should you wait until he rapes a kid to do something about it? You could go through the expense of an internal trial and hope he can be defrocked, all the while he is still a priest and still in a position of trust. Or you can offer a type of plea deal, one where you immediately remove him from any position of authority while simultaneously defrocking him. This only mitigates the problem, but it answers what to do when there is only conjecture. 20K was the top amount, and isn’t a lot of money, not even 99 weeks of unemployment – akin to a type of Alfords plea.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:00pmcan someone answer some questions for me:
was a pedophile priest still a man of God?
are they still allowed in Heaven?
when they gave out penance from confession, are the sins still forgiven?
is their any psychological testing given as a requirement to join the priesthood?
what straight man would ever consider joining a life of celibacy?
serious questions, i’m not trying to stir up trouble.
Report Post »LondoMollari
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:35pmPriest candidates do undergo pysch testing and it’s pretty hard to say who is in heaven, purgaotry and hell.
The results of the latter may yet surprise all of us.
Report Post »edmundburk
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:44pm1. A priest is still a man of god even if molests somebody because ALL have fallen short of the glory of God. He’ll still need to repent and confess. 2. If they repent and confess they can get into heaven.
Report Post »(repents means not doing it again.) 3. All sins admitted in confessional are forgiven as the catholic church teachs that a priest or bishop is Jesus’s representive on earth. 4. I don’t know if priest are given testing before the priesthood but I would hazard a guess with a yes.5. St. Paul calls ALL unmarried people to be chaste before marriage, I myself have been celibut for 6 yrs.(I plan to get married.) No problem, GOD BLESS YOU and I hope you change your mind.
HoneyBager7x7
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 6:11pmTruth Time.
phillyatheist: was pedophile priest still a man of God?
-He’s a man of his god, since his god is (Greek/Roman). Since his god rapes people, he’s quite fine in his practices. I’m being serious. If his god allows him to rape children, then he’s in no error.-
phillyatheist:are they still allowed in Heaven?
-Sure, since its a child Raping Heaven.-
phillyatheist: when they gave out penance from confession, are the sins still forgiven?
-No catholic priest can forgive anyone of their sins. That’s a Roman lie that was Perpetrated by Constantine. No where in the scriptures does it say that. If that was the case, no need for the Messiah to be hung on a fat tree.-
If my people, who are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2nd Chronicles 7:14 (I don‘t see anything about going to a PRIEST and 34 hail mary’s)
phillyatheist: is their any psychological testing given as a requirement to join the priesthood?
-I think they pass the test based on how many children they want to rape in their career.-
phillyatheist: what straight man would ever consider joining a life of celibacy?
-What straight man rapes boys?-
Report Post »HoneyBager7x7
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 6:18pmedmundburk: All sins admitted in confessional are forgiven as the catholic church teachs that a priest or bishop is Jesus’s representive on earth.
Oh, good ol‘ Je’sus. Gotta love him.
Now that right there is automatic LIE. That is about as much BS as the Federal Reserve. The Holy Roman Universal Circus is a complete and utter joke; they’re a total nicolaitan pyramid system and their god is Zeus (A habitual RAPIST), they Boy lovers and philosophers, they were like that in the ancient times and they’re like that now. I’m serious, that entity is a complete JOKE and should be annihilated from the face of the world. The Pope is a Pedophile Pimp
and the solution for all of the pedophile priests is two in the face. (.50), thats including the POPE.
Hail Zeus (sarcasm)
Report Post »edmundburk
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 8:14am@HONERBAGER7X7- with “christains” like you, who needs athiests? where did you get your “facts”
Report Post »jack chick publications? Have fun when Obama and the progressives come for you.
zoro51
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:55pmsings HE TOUCHED MEEEEE OOOOHHH HE TIOUCHED MHIEEEEEEEEEE.. send em to HELL!
Report Post »LondoMollari
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:52pmWell, what do you know?
It’s the usual secular and Protestant crowd crowing loudest on here while napping ZZZZs about all the sex scandals their religion and public schools have been involved in.
First of all, I don’t think that churches that were founded on the basis of justifying polygamy and who currently marry gays should open their mouths about Catholic policy when the only nonsense they are indoctrinated about the RCC is “praying to Mary is bad”.
Secondly, those who are secularists might want to check out their local school district.
This is, of course, provided your interest is in safeguarding children, but somehow I doubt that is the central interest here.
Clearly, most critics just want to use this issue to smack the Church over the head. Both Protestantism in the West and secularism have peaking to waning influences, largely because of demographic changes.
Finally, I have met Cardinal Dolen and he seems like a decent fellow who tried to do the right thing and testimony from this article reflects that.
Report Post »merik59
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:38pmCan we pay the pope to shut up, too? How about some changes to the doctrine? Shall we start a collection fund? I thought they called them bribes, but what the h*ll. I’d be willing to contribute to having the molesters removed permanently from our society. Hey, anything for a really good cause.
Report Post »LondoMollari
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:51pmEvery religious denomination makes mistakes, but the Pope is not going to shut-up anytime soon.
Our Catholic doctrine is fine; it’s following it that is the issue.
Report Post »teddrunk
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:34pmWouldn’t it of been cheaper to simply report them to the authorities? They’d get health care in prison.
Report Post »TXPilot
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:42pmI’ve heard that the TSA loves to hire pedophiles, to make sure the traveling kiddos get a detailed pat down.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:29pm@TXPilot
I heard that on the Todd Schnitt radio program last week. It was a Priest that left the Church for this same issue and was hired by the TSA and doing pat-downs. : (
Report Post »sjohn70037
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:34pmThe Catholic Church’s refusal to turn priest-pedophiles over to the police and the social justice focus and support of illegal aliens is the reason I no longer attend mass.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:41pmEstimating the number of homosexuals in a given population can be problematic due to problems of measurement, definition, and heterogeneous geographic distribution. Estimates in large populations range from 1% to 15%, with a mean of 4–5%. (See Demographics of sexual orientation.) Despite this, evidence from several studies has shown that there are higher than average numbers of homosexual men (active and non-active) within the Catholic priesthood and higher orders; estimates presented in Donald B. Cozzens’ book The Changing Face of the Priesthood range from 23–58%.[2]
edmundburk
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:07pmsounds like you were looking for an excuse to leave church, may God have mercy on your soul and I
Report Post »hope you rethink your postion.
Watermain
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:07pmI still go, but only to support my wife who remains an active catholic
Report Post »LondoMollari
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:36pmI would suggest finding a more conservative parish then because you are just taking the easy way out.
Report Post »Sharon Rose
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 4:36pmYour loss
Report Post »inblack
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 5:14pm@SJOHN70037
“The Catholic Church’s refusal to turn priest-pedophiles over to the police and the social justice focus and support of illegal aliens is the reason I no longer attend mass.”
Yeah right. Sounds like a lazy luke-warm christian who needs an excuse to sit home and drink beer. “Oh the nuns were mean to me”, “I don’t agree with the church on fill-in-the-blank”.
You must have missed the part where Christ told us we are all sinners but can be forgiven. Did you think a church made up of sinners was going to be perfect?
If you really cared, you would help those of us who are respectfully trying to point out errors and help the church to do what is right. Take Paul Ryan. He didn’t leave the church because the bishops criticized any cuts in the budget, he explained how Christ’s church should address the poor. He engaged instead of looking for an excuse to bail.
Also, saying “The Catholic Church’s refusal to turn priest-pedophiles over to the police” is inaccurate. They did not refuse, some were moved away from schools or interaction with the victims and some were turned in to police. I’m not saying their approach was effective, it is just how it was done back then. And yes I’m sure some of the bishops or pastors did fail to take any appropriate action.
Sinners? Yes. But a good reason to turn your back on Christ’s church? No.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:25pmOld news is old. The payments happened in 2003, and the words have been circulating since 2006. Not sure what is new now?
Still, makes me laugh again at the “We are all Catholics!” slogan. No, we’re really not. I belong to Christ, not a denomination. If my church had a sex abuse scandal, it would no longer be my church – I would immediately leave.
The sad thing is, this happens everywhere, to children of both sexes, and in all kinds of denominations. As FOX reported back in 2007:
“The mainstream media has all but ignored the recent Associated Press report that the three major insurance companies for Protestant Churches in America say they typically receive 260 reports each year of minors being sexually abused by Protestant clergy, staff, or other church-related relationships.
Responding to heavy media scrutiny, the Catholic Church has reported that since 1950, 13,000 “credible accusations” have been brought against Catholic clerics (about 228 per year.) The fact (is) this number includes all credible accusations, not just those that have involved insurance companies, and still is less than the number of cases in Protestant churches reported by just three insurance companies.”
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,286153,00.html#ixzz1wT96ufVn
The only thing we can do is call out evil when confronted by it. This isn’t a Catholic-only problem, but it is also NOT unfair to decry the Catholic church for covering it up for decades.
Report Post »JimL
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:44pmCommon practice in every workplace.
Wait to you turn 50 and…
Report Post »inblack
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 5:30pm@LOCKED – Your church has had sex abuse scandals, don’t kid yourself.
BTW, SNAP is not about helping victims, they are an anti-christian political organization attacking the church anyway they can. They have been trying to bankrupt the church and make innocent people step down.
There are probably many true accusations, but at this point most of them are either made up or entirely unprovable.
Report Post »Nemo13
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:22pmThis kind of stuff is not limited to the church… Any organization where you have exclusive men, women, or children, you will find the predators. You have to screen people extensively. When you find one, charge them to the fullest extent of the law. The only other problem is, you then have to get by the predators in positions of power too.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:18pm“…proposal to pay $20,000 to “unassignable priests” who accepted a return to the laity.”
So they didn’t leave the Church they just returned to a lay position within the Church?
Report Post »RamonPreston
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:26pmDid you notice “laity” is an acrynom for “Italy”?
Report Post »Hollywood
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:34pmThe Catholic Church is a FALSE Church! Just in the U.S.A. there are 179 Diocese‘s and Archdiocese’s. 147 were INDICTED, at one time or other, on charges of Pedophelia. Dolan is part of the problem! This goes on worldwide. The previous Pope, Ratzinger, was a Nazi sympathizer, and collaborator when in Poland during WW2. Why does the WORLD ignore these FACTS? Because the Catholic Church is part of the WORLD. Look at the DARK ages, when ROME was in charge, if you want to see what a”catholic’[UNIVERSAL]church would cause, once again!
Report Post »Many “protestant’ churches are little different.
Solely Christ, Solely Scripture.
Maranatha
Locked
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:46pm@Hollywood
“The previous Pope, Ratzinger, was a Nazi sympathizer, and collaborator when in Poland during WW2. Why does the WORLD ignore these FACTS?”
Ratzinger is the current pope, where his name is Benedict XVI. He was part of the Hitler Youth – which was mandatory during his childhood. He refused to attend any meetings, despite the penalty of raised tuition. His family decried the Nazis and were forced to move four times before and during the war. Facts are funny things, aren’t they? I mean, we should definitely put stock in a person who knows so much about Catholicism that he doesn’t know who the pope is.
I’m not even a Catholic, nor do I have any belief in their doctrines, but I can see you’re full of hate and lies, not love of Christ and the truth.
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:50pm@RAMONPRESTON
Report Post »No, it is not an acronym, it is an anagram.
The-Monk
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:32pm@RamonPreston
“Did you notice “laity” is an acrynom for “Italy”?”
laity (npl)
la·i·ty
[ láy ətee ]
1- lay people rather than clergy: the followers of a religion who are not clergy
2- people not in particular profession: all the people who are not members of a specific profession, as distinguished from those who are members
Synonyms: laypeople, congregation, worshipers
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 6:25pmLocked
“despite the penalty of raised tuition. His family decried the Nazis and were forced to move four times before and during the war”
Now that I hadn’t heard. I ad heard the NAZIs had euthanized one of his cousins who had Down syndrome.
I wonder if “hollywood” knows that Hitler decreed in 1934 that all Boy Scouts in German were to be enrolled in the Hitler Youth? what would have “Hollywood said about that? He would have applauded as the MSM was infatuated with Hitler at that point.
Report Post »DarthMims
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:17pmThe more disturbing part of this is not that the Catholic Church paid off sexual offenders, its that since none of these men were brought to justice, they are not identified as sexual offenders and may be out there in public doing the same thing. The Church should do everything it can to protect children, not pay to put children at risk. I know the Catholic Church does a lot of good for a lot of people, but these kinds of stories are just too frequent to ignore.
Report Post »RamonPreston
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:29pmI’m a sex offender! Send me $20,000. I will promise not to go to Catholic services anymore.
edmundburk
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:58pm@RAMONPRESTON- you don’t sound like a catholic, sounds like your after free money:)
Report Post »inblack
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 5:59pm@DARTHMIMS – please read the entire story.
“its[sic] that since none of these men were brought to justice”
1) “none”? Many of the men, where any proof was available, were prosecuted and brought to justice.
2) This is the same action that happened in our public schools and at Penn State. If there was no evidence the adult was sent away to protect the child. Because there was no sex offender database back then, people slipped through the cracks. This was not unique to the church.
3) If you had read through the article and not just the poorly written headline, you would have seen that the church gave any priest who was sent away, for any reason, a “severance” so they could eat until they found a new job.
This headline was purposely misleading as the story explains, yet the blaze chose to mislead you anyway.
Report Post »red_white_blue2
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:16pmSOOOO the Catholic Church would rather pay pedophile to leave quietly and not render the dollars to be conditional on thearpy. They would rather give money to pedophiles rather than revamp the SOP of dimissing a priest because there is too much red tape involved. They would rather lie when questioned back when Dolan was in Milwalkee and deny this policy that a spokeswoman said was a long standing policy. All of this makes perfect sense..WTF!!
RamonPreston
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:14pmPedophiles should get a suspended sentence. Take them out and hang them.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:23pmWhat part of… Fact, Evidence, & Proof… of an Actual Action constituting a Crime… do you not Understand?
Report Post »jackact
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:10pmOk. Now how do we rid the dept of education of the multitude of serial child molesters (a.k.a government employees) that commit sex crimes on our children on a daily basis?
Report Post »The teachers unions won’t fire or prosecute them.
FOCUS!
Locked
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:31pmIt‘s on the teacher’s union to report them, but it’s not on them to prosecute. The parents, an advocacy group, the state, or the child him or herself need to file charges.
Report Post »JimL
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 3:00pmCheck the average stay of a teacher in any state– then ask, who is getting abused?
Report Post »brntout
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:03pmThe Catholic church files a few lawsuits against a corrupt government,so a second wave of attacks ensues… Keep hammering the government Catholics,you are right in your cause..Too many folks forget who has your back,and it isn’t Uncle Sugar.
Report Post »Obama Snake Oil Co
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:10pmAgree, noting the incrediable timing of the story as usual…..
Report Post »DarthMims
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:12pmIt’s not who has my back that troubles me about the Catholic church, it‘s that I’m afraid what they would do if I let them get behind me.
Report Post »hi
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:02pmYou always have to pay off immoral, union-mentality libs such as these men who pretend to be priests or they keep coming back.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:36pmPETTYDRAMA
Report Post »The moral of this story is that “it pays to be gay”
Walkabout
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:40pm“Estimating the number of homosexuals in a given population can be problematic due to problems of measurement, definition, and heterogeneous geographic distribution. Estimates in large populations range from 1% to 15%, with a mean of 4–5%. (See Demographics of sexual orientation.) Despite this, evidence from several studies has shown that there are higher than average numbers of homosexual men (active and non-active) within the Catholic priesthood and higher orders; estimates presented in Donald B. Cozzens’ book The Changing Face of the Priesthood range from 23–58%”
PETTYDRAMA is part of the problem.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:55pm@Walkabout
One issue with your data – homosexuals are not necessarily pedophiles, and not all pedophiles are homosexual. I believe the data is that 4% of all US priests have been accused (not convicted; that’s only around 1.7% last I read) of pedophilia. Numbers are much harder to find for Protestant sects, as there are so many and they encompass dozens of different denominations; but the numbers reported to their major insurance companies are larger than the average number per year of Catholic abuse cases in total (not just those reported to insurance company).
This is very much a problem, but not just for Catholicism. The worst part of it with Catholicism is that it was a known problem that, instead of reporting it and helping victims, was hidden by senior members of the church. There’s no excuse for that – but it doesn‘t mean it’s unique to the Catholics or an uncommon issue among Protestant denominations.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:58pmPETTYDRAMAQUEEN,
Report Post »“Excuses, excuses. You just cant handle the truth that your religion is full of pedophiles and evil people.” Didn’t expect you of all people to start calling homosexuals evil. Does this now make you a homophobe?
I will confess that most of my dealings with homosexuals has been in a professional manner. Arresting or apprehending those male homosexual child predators. The act is also known as “recruiting.” Male homosexual child predators have been drawn to certain jobs and positions in a manner similar to alcohols affinity to water. They have invaded schools through any job that gives them access to children from janitorial positions, teaching, coaching to administration staff. The churchs give them access to just as many children, and any other activity where boys will be available for them to choose from. Then there are the ones like Jerry Sandusky who are characterized bi-sexual child molesters. When you are married to a woman and have children and still seek little boys for homosexual sexual contact that does not make one a heterosexual child molester. That would be a male child molester who seeks little girls.
Oops, forgive me for that homophobe mark regarding you. BTW, just how did you get your start? Where you born curious, or actually knowing you are a homosexual? Or, where you drawn into that community by contact with an older man while still a child?
RJJinGadsden
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:12pmSo, where did PETTYDRAMQUEEN’s post go?
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 6:37pmLocked
Your right. It is not just a Catholic problem. I am dismayed at some of the leadership. They acted like other big organizations (e.g The Boy Scouts, Penn State, …) they were afraid to air the charges at the time because that would be the end. Many of the enemies of the church don’t care so much for the victims or for the mission of the Church so much as they want to end the Church, every church.
I am not going to argue that the Protestant churches are better or worse (probably worse). The RCC is just a bigger & therefore easier target.
I don’t know for a fact that the it is because of the homosexuals in the church, but there is a high correlation there (I know correlation is not causation). I have seen a gay blog say it is everyone but the homosexuals in the church, but I don’t believe them. They say that & then go right back to their atheistic attacks on the church. Coupled with the other things they have said about one marriage & promiscuity, I trust them not at all.
Report Post »Sharon Rose
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:58pmThis is an old story
Report Post »PETTYDRAMA
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:58pmTypical religeous authorities trying to cover up their perverted men of the filthy cloth. Like I have always said, religion is used as a “innocent” cover for more sinister intentions such as sexual abuse, power, money, and control. And whats really sad is all of the mindless drones that believe everything they are told by the religeous authories.
rickc34
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:26pmThey will face Gods justice. Just a group of gay guys that got into the church.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:38pmMore than 1/3rd of seminarians are gay & we wonder where the pedophiles come form?
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:09pmPETTYDRAMAQUEEN, Oh yeah, have to add that in my opinion the Catholic Church did handle this situation poorly and that in itself did open the door for the likes of you to point such fingers. I believe the Boy Scouts handled it far better. Back in the ‘70s and ’80s when so many of these male homosexual child predators attacked so many boys. The institution of Boy Scouts was almost sued out of existence by the victims’ parents for not protecting their sons from such predators. Realizing that those homosexuals sought such positions primarily for close proximity to all of those boys was for their own selfish and perverted reasons. That is the reason the Scouts do not allow homosexual leaders. They will no longer tolerate foxes to guard the hen houses.
Report Post »The Catholic Church should have done the same thing and removed their male homosexual child molesters from the priesthood, instead of leaving them in place. Now, that is where they certainly screwed up in my opinion.
inblack
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 5:21pm@PETTYDRAMA = Troll
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:54pmSeems like a Reasonable Policy… to me!
Report Post »charles116
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:52pmDolan has been LYING ABOUT THIS for years
and now refuses to comment.
PATTY HENRY
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:11pmYO Pettydrama and Charles116: Are you the same TROLL? Catholic Priests are human beings, therefore some are flawed, just like School Teachers, Boy Scout leaders, COACHES. You need to weigh the GOOD the Catholics do vs. the evil of these (less than 1%) Priests. It’s easy for you to sit in your basement and call a great servant of God a liar, isn’t it. GOD judges all of us, including you. Dolan is a hero among men.
Report Post »RamonPreston
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:24pm@Patrick Henry
“a great servant of god”…which god??? Satan is the god of this world. (2 Corinthians 4:4)
Just saying you are a minister of god doesn’t make you one “For many shall come in my name…”
I totally understand the Bible differently than you. We both can’t be right. Time will tell.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:40pm“Estimating the number of homosexuals in a given population can be problematic due to problems of measurement, definition, and heterogeneous geographic distribution. Estimates in large populations range from 1% to 15%, with a mean of 4–5%. (See Demographics of sexual orientation.) Despite this, evidence from several studies has shown that there are higher than average numbers of homosexual men (active and non-active) within the Catholic priesthood and higher orders; estimates presented in Donald B. Cozzens’ book The Changing Face of the Priesthood range from 23–58%”
CHARLES116 is part of the problem.
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:05pmYO RAMONA (couldn’t resist) who is Donald Cozzen? Anyway? What group would Satan Attack? Not the people on Skid Row, he’s already got them. He would attack the Catholic Church. 99% of Catholic Priests are not/have never been involved in the cancer of Pedophilia. Pedophilia is pure evil.
Report Post »Don’t attempt to brush all hard-working, decent Priests with this brush or you‘ll be doing Satan’s work.
inblack
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 5:19pm@CHARLES116 = troll
@RAMONPRESTON – I guess you missed the book of Acts or didn’t read John. Jesus built His church on earth. There is only one God – one God of the Church and of this world.
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