Are Iran’s Actions Setting the Groundwork for the Fulfillment of Biblical Armageddon?
This is a crosspost from Beliefnet.com.
Should we be worried that Iran is about to tip the entire world into World War III? Are some folks reading far too much into all of today’s saber-rattling? Are they drawing wild conclusions from popular interpretations of Bible prophecy flying around the Internet?
Or is history’s final battle just around the corner?
Many Christians grew up hearing that the Bible foretells of one final war between Israel and many of the nations of the world. Popular interpretations of Old Testament prophecies leave little doubt that Israel – as “God’s chosen people” – will win.
The Prophet Isaiah by Giovanni Battista Tiepolo
For example, Isaiah 17 tells of a war that results in the capital of today’s revolt-torn Syria, Damascus, the world’s oldest continually inhabited city, ceasing to exist and becoming a “ruinous heap.”
So, is this the beginning of the end?
A number of Internet commentators have also thought it relevant to report odd reports in the news of strange, trumpet-like noises heard around the world, citing such scriptures such as Ezekiel 7:14: “They have blown the trumpet, even to make all ready; but none goeth to the battle: for my wrath is upon all the multitude thereof.”
They cite a number of such trumpet reports on YouTube, that do-it-yourself video website where anybody with a video camera can post their homemade news report, movie or a video of their baby dancing with their cat.
They also pass along Bible prophecy tidbits, such as a 2009 report by Campbell Robertson in the New York Times: “The Euphrates is drying up. Strangled by the water policies of Iraq’s neighbors, Turkey and Syria, a two-year drought and years of misuse by Iraq and its farmers, the river is significantly smaller than it was just a few years ago.”
Even the Times acknowledged the biblical relevance, calling the river “so crucial to the birth of civilization that the Book of Revelation prophesied its drying up as a sign of the end times.” Indeed, Revelations 16:12-14 foretells: “And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.”
But does a lack of water in Iraq’s main waterway mean Armageddon is on the horizon? And do the much-cited Bible prophecies foretell a nuclear Iran wiping Isreal off of the map? For that matter, is the Islamic Republic of Iran even mentioned anywhere in, say, Isaiah 17, Psalm 83 or Zechariah 12?
The Prophet Daniel
The prophet Daniel describes Persia as having a major role in world events. Iranians will tell you they are modern-day Persia. But there’s no Persia in such key end-of-times prophecies as Psalms 83:8, which tells us that “even Assyria has joined them; they lend support to the sons of Lot.” Assyria? It ceased to be a world power about 2,500 years ago. But, get out your atlas of the ancient world and you’ll see that it included parts of Iran.
Psalm 83 predicts defeat for those who will attack Israel, particularly those intending to “wipe her off the map.” Iran’s president, Mahmoud Amadinijad has repeatedly made that specific promise. In fact, he has repeatedly lectured the General Assembly of the United Nations during his annual addresses to that body, telling them that the Shi’ite messiah, the “Hidden Imam” is about to return to Earth to establish worldwide Islam – but cannot return until Iran has eliminated Israel.
In the Bible, the prophet Jeremiah doesn’t specifically mention Iran or Persia in his visions of the end. However, he does mention Elam – an ancient power which included Iranian territory. Jeremiah 49:34-39 says Elam will experience devastation and the scattering of her population to many other nations as a result of the same attack that devastates Damascus.
The Prophet Jeremiah by Michaelangelo
Could there actually be such a war? Is Damascus at risk?
Throughout the Cold War, a policy of “Mutual Assured Destruction” kept NATO and the USSR from going at each other with nuclear weapons. It was well understood that automatic systems and official policies were in place that would trigger a massive response– even if the attacked nation was in ashes. Had the Soviets wiped out U.S. leadership and command, the consequences would have been submarine-launched total devastation of Russia.
So why should Iran expect anything less? A senior official in Iran’s Revolutionary Guard a few days ago told a Tehran newspaper that the United States is within reach of Iranian attack. If the U.S. hits key targets in Iran to halt its nuclear weapons program, “we will have a crushing response,” said Massoud Jazayeri, quoted by Reuters, the British news agency. “We will not only act in the boundaries of the Middle East and the Persian Gulf; no place in America will be safe from our attacks.”
Surely he knows that the U.S. response to an Iranian attack – particularly a nuclear strike – would be cataclysmic. If Iran somehow managed to nuke Washington, D.C., no Russian or Chinese veto in the United Nations could prevent Tehran and every other major Iranian city from becoming smoking, radioactive ruins two or three times over. Mutual assured destruction has been U.S. policy for 50 years and even the most peace-minded leadership in the White House would have an impossible time tempering a response to a nuclear Pearl Harbor.
But Iran has indicated that they don’t fear such a fate.
“Are Iran’s Leaders, Well…Crazy?” ask Kimo Quaintance and Bernd Kaussler on The Diplomat magazine’s website. “The most vocal supporters of preventative military strikes against Iran’s nuclear weapons program claim that Iran is developing nukes to use them, rather than to deter the United States and its allies from invasion.
Israel Defense Forces
“This inversion of the Cold War theory of nuclear deterrence assumes that Iran doesn’t have the capacity for rational choice. After all, as the argument goes, if the Iranians are crazy, then the certainty of national suicide won’t stop them from seizing the opportunity to unleash their new nuclear weapons on Israel.
“A state that believes the end of the world is coming (never mind thinking it has the special responsibility to usher in Armageddon) can’t be considered likely to weigh costs and benefits in any rational, self-preserving way.”
Or perhaps does Iran disbelieve the U.S. would retaliate? Just days ago, not 24 hours after Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov warned the United States that any pre-emptive strike against Iran by the U.S. or Israel would violate international law, Moscow put muscle into his warning. On April 3, the Russian guided missile destroyer Smetliviy and its support group arrived in the Syrian port of Tartus from its Black Sea base for a naval exercise.
Just the day before, the Israeli news analysis website DEBKAfile reported that Russia and Iran are set to counter any U.S. Israeli strike against Iran. Lavrov’s comments, made during a visit to Armenia, stopped short of threatening any consequences.
“But,” reported Reuters, “they backed up and were in tune with the explicit threat from Iran’s supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei of strong Iranian resistance to foreign intervention in Syria and a vow to defend Damascus as the ‘center of resistance against Israel.’”
So, does Iran think Russia would protect them?
All this comes as Saudi Arabia and Qatar have established an international fund to pay a regular wage to rebel fighters in the Syrian Free Army, which is trying to depose the current pro-Iranian regime in Damascus. Meanwhile, Reuters reported that the U.S., Israel and Greece have engaged in a “shadowy air-naval exercise” in the Mediterranean codenamed “Noble Dina.”
“It appears to range across a broad sweep of sea up to Crete and including the waters off Turkey, Cyprus, and Israel Navy bases in Haifa and Ashdod ports,” reported the British news agency. The American, Israeli and Greek fleets are reportedly led by the USS Enterprise strike force and supported by a British Royal Navy flotilla.
So, are we dancing around the edge of the abyss? Is Armageddon around the corner? Internet prophecy enthusiasts are certain of it. They cite Luke 21:20, which tells us “And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.”
How about the repeated warnings from Russian and China that the U.S. should not intervene in the Syrian civil war? Or reports that the U.S., France, Great Britain, Turkey and Italy are planning to implement an aerial blockade of Damascus without United Nations backing?
Turkey? Why would anybody give any thought to Turkey? Historians would remind that Turkey was the Ottoman Empire that defeated the Crusaders and for almost 1,000 years held onto Palestine until those same former crusaders won World War I? Turkey also ruled Syria during that time period. And Iraq. And Iran.
Some who enjoy end-of-the-world debate would say that the United States is not mentioned in Bible prophesy. Others respond that a great “he goat” from the West will retaliate against the Medians (modern Syria) and Persia (today’s Iran) in the final battles. Daniel 8:5-6 foretells: “And as I was considering, behold, a he-goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes. And he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power.”
What will be the result of such super-powers butting heads? Prophecy enthusiasts cite Isaiah 17:1, which tells us that “Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap” and Isaiah 17:3, which predicts victory for Israel: “The fortress also shall cease from Ephraim, and the kingdom from Damascus, and the remnant of Syria: they shall be as the glory of the children of Israel, saith the Lord of hosts.”
Isaiah 17:7 goes on to say, “At that day shall a man look to his Maker, and his eyes shall have respect to the Holy One of Israel.
They predict Ahmadinejad will hit Israel with nuclear weapons, but that Jeremiah 49:34-39 describes his failure – that any such attack will backfire and cause his own people to evacuate the smoking ruin that will be Iran.
Iran’s Mahmoud Amadinejad
Without a doubt, whether you believe in Bible prophecy or not, today the Middle East is the most keenly watched area of the world. And little wonder – it is central to the economic stability of the world. Conflicts in the Middle East inevitably draw in the major powers. As a result, for many years it has been the most likely place for World War III to begin.
Why do the superpowers care about the Middle East? The same kinds of conflict in Indonesia’s East Timor or South America’s Andes or between nations along Africa’s Great Rift seldom drag in the super-powers or prompt worries about Armageddon.
What is it about the Middle East that holds our attention? An easy answer is: Oil. The world’s economies are dependent upon Middle Eastern petroleum. After the 1973 Yom Kippur War, the Arabs used the oil weapon to devastating effect. Western economies were severely disrupted. The developed nations suffered crippling burdens of inflation, recession, debt and unemployment.
So, what’s next? The battle of Armageddon is described in part in Ezekiel 38: the prophet foresees a massive confederacy of nations invading Israel. The leader of the confederacy is called Gog of the land of Magog. Many Bible students have expected Russia to fulfill the role of Gog. Magog was an ancient name for the land of the Scythians in the southern part of what is now Russia. This invader unites other enemies against Israel.
Israel is referred to in Ezekiel 38:8 as: “The land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations.”
Ezekiel 38:5 adds that in league with Gog (Russia) will be “Persia (Iran), Ethiopia, and Libya.” Impoverished Ethiopia? A player in the final battle? In the Old Testament, “Ethiopia” often refers to the Nile valley south of Egypt, including Nubia (today’s Sudan and the new nation of South Sudan) and Abyssinia (today’s Ethiopia and Somalia). Ethiopia in Bible times was an influential country – home of the legendary Queen of Sheba.
Today, the former Ethiopian province of Somalia is frequently in the news as a collapsed state with no government. Its anarchy has spawned ruthless pirates stalking the busy shipping lanes in and out of the oil-rich Persian Gulf, constantly taking ships and crews hostage – and holding them for multi-million-dollar ransoms. And Sudan has been the site of a horrific genocide – as the Arab north has attempted ethnic cleansing of the predominantly black population of the oil-rich south — with the West and China squaring off, hoping to be the recipients of that oil.
What about Libya? This oil-rich nation for years financed worldwide terrorism and was responsible for one of the worst mass-murders of civilians, the bombing of a PanAm 747 airliner over Lockerbie, Scotland.
Jeremiah 3:17 foretells that all these enemies of Israel “shall call Jerusalem the throne of the Lord; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the Lord, to Jerusalem.” Indeed, Jerusalem is at the meeting point of three continents. Ezekiel 5:5 says: “Thus saith the Lord God; This is Jerusalem: I have set it in the midst of the nations and countries that are round about her.”
Ancient cartographers, taking this passage literally, placed Jerusalem at the center of their maps, an example of which is the famous Mappa Mundi in England’s Hereford Cathedral.
As the Daily Telegraph newspaper commented, ”It is interesting to note, in the affairs of the proposed sale of Hereford Cathedral’s Mappa Mundi, all those superior smiles at the childish medieval way it shows Jerusalem at the center of the world. But Jerusalem is the center of the world. We may be overwhelmingly reminded of this in due course – and sooner than we may think.”
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Suzanne D
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 4:20pmI clicked the link to the “strange trumpet like noises heard around the world,” and watched with interest and scepticism … until I got to the video titled “Strange Noises Heard in Venice Florida.” I live in Venice, Florida near the very beach where that video was taken (I know this because the video shows a major landmark, the Venice Pier.) I can PROMISE ALL OF YOU that NO SUCH NOISES have been heard here in Venice, Florida. Believe me, there are many Christians down here in the Bible Belt and if the sounds portrayed in this video were true, it would be all over the news down here. As for the remainder of the story, only an unbeliever can deny what is about to happen.
Report Post »Exrepublisheep
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 4:49pmWhy does every generation believe they’re part of the end? The sun doesn‘t revolve around us and there’s no temple to desecrate. People need to stop looking at the parts that do match and pay attention to the parts that don’t.
Suzanne D
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 5:04pm@ Exrepublisheep: all other generations were so hopeful that they neglected to give proper attention to the description the Bible provides. Here are the major signs, for your edification: 1) Israel would again be a country; 2) Hebrew as an everyday spoken language would be resurrected; 3) Israel would again be lush and green; 4) there would be world wars; 5) the frequency and severity of natural disasters would increase; 6) persecution of Messianic Jews and Christians would steadily increase; 7) many will “fall away” from Christianity; 8) in the end times, an alliance between what is now Iran and Russia will prompt a major invasion of Israel (which is the subject of this story); etc. Can you HONESTLY SAY that there has been any other time in all of history that these criteria have been true? No? Well the, what should that tell you?
Report Post »blackyb
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 5:06pmIsrael became a nation in 1948. Some of the younger and the baby boomers are living in this age where we are very likely to see the return of Christ. It clearly says to the effect that this generation will not pass away until these things must be, and that seems to include the return to Jerusalem where God’s people will be no more moved. To many younger and older this gives hope for the return of Christ during the lives of these people.
Report Post »db321
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 5:12pmBring it Iran – go ahead get all your Muslims buddies to join you – I can tell you that when the dust settles Jerusalem and the Jews will still be standing. God Bless the “Apple of Gods Eye.”
To all Christian – at this point and time – if we are still around – we can show all non believers and Muslims the scriptures that point out that Israel will sill still be standing – their excuses will be “well that it is an inside job or a Conspiracy” – they will never come to Christ until Satan sticks a pitch fork up their rear end.
Then you will hear them whinning – “but I didn’t know that God was not real” – “or I voted form Obama because I am black or I’m a Women and I think he is cute – plus he is going to give me free Birth Control.”
God will respond – I‘m sorry but you’re not going to turn me into a liar because of your ignorance – God word is true – What You, Obama, Ahmadinejad, Muslims, or Ron Paul does to Israel – God will do to you.
If you vote for Obama and he turns his back on Israel – God will turn his back on you because you voted for him.
Israel borders, with the help of Obama, is surround by Muslim Brotherhood – it’s a good thing the US Borders are still safe.
Okie from Muskogee
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 5:26pmAbsolutely amazed at the falsehoods so many “Christians” believe and parrot. God’s Word is being fulfilled with each and every falsehood that is believed as truth. They will believe a lie!
DB321-You are nuttier than a pecan pie. Please, stop spewing that ignorance. If you really took the time to think deeply about the positions you hold you would see you are a hypocritical on about 99% of all of them. Bless your heart.
Report Post »Twisted Mind
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 5:35pmwhat do they mean when they say “ many nations will be against Israel” The Bible says All nations will be against Israell.
Report Post »resme
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 5:36pm@Okie, Welcome back. I thought you gave up on posting on blaze, it’s rather pointless. (They call us insane, Lmao.)
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 5:49pm@Resme Thanks! I had a lot on my plate so I took a break for a bit. I tried out the Twitter for a while but now I have a little cleaner plate, you’ll see my posts of clear insanity even more! :-) hope you are doing well!
@okiemuskogee33
Report Post »INTHEBROTHERHOOD
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 5:49pmIm sure the trumpets will b heard by everyone at the same time. and im also sure theres no end for any of us. where and how we will all spend eternity is our desision. Do we really need to debate who all the players of revelation are going to be, or should we be more concerned about preparing for our eternity? The trumpets could be today. No worries for those who are prepaired.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 5:57pmWell I guess the United States is going to have to step down off it’s “mutually assured destruction” then huh? I mean, it‘s not as if life won’t go on earth after the world has been nuked 100 times over, because the radiation will fade away and life will go on.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:00pm@exrrepublic
the answer is that every generation is full of narcisists or profiteers who try to profit off end times theology.
nobody knows the day or the time. yes, we are probably living in end times – but we have no perspective on how close it is
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:13pmYeah, yeah, I know they are going to do many things to make it look as if we are in the End Days, and then it won’t happen, and they will say “See there is no God.” But I don’t think they planned on Iran doing what it is doing.
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:57pmInterestingly, I believe that Iran has demonstrated that their “philosophy” “IS” the mirror image (totally antithetical) of Christianity. So, yes, I’d consider the argument worthy consideration.
Report Post »docgreen
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 7:42pm@exrepublicsheep
Report Post »I’ve heard your story a million times! Well, it wasn’t until 1948 when Israel became a state that they were able to come back to Israel “they’re Homeland”! It wasn’t until 1967 when they took back Jerusalem in the six day War. That alone was a miracle in itself. So until 1967 the Generation that sees all these things coming together from 1967 till Jesus appears in the Clouds again will be the Generation that sees all these things happening! Do you have any Idea what the Bible says about Israel being hated by all nations, or Israel will be surrounded by its enemies on all sides, or the fact Russia is moving ships into the ports of Syria. If the Bible was not true, how could these things be happening right now! Let alone islams messiah coming back for 7years and the Bibles Antichrist ruling on earth for seven years. What about the fact that Jews and chrisitians will be persecuted by people chopping the heads off of them for not turning to the AntiChrist? “islam/muslims” are the only heathens doing that right now! Then go to earhquakes; well they have been increasing in size and quantity. Then look at the seas coming to life look at the Tsnamis happening that are killing large populations. As far as the 3 Temple, it will be rebuilt and the Antichrist I believe will be instramental in rebuilding it! As far as islam look, at the what they call they’re Prophet, Its the False Prophet, Don’t forget how its also a so called peacefull image!
SgtB
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 11:59pmAnyone wondering why theists like myself who reject all major religions would choose to do so, obviously cannot see how idiotic and aggressive they are being. To think that you just know that the end of life as we know it is going to come to an end because of a small nation’s actions half way around the globe is ridiculous. The more attention you pay to Iran, the more power they have. We have no need or reason to tell Iran what to do with their own intellect and land. To think otherwise is to assume more power than even your God of the Bible keeps for himself. I am speaking of free will. Not even your God will take from the most evil man his free will, yet you people try to do so on a daily basis. You make me sick and you really wonder why we call you crazed zealots.
Report Post »Paul
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 12:09amThis! is about to happen… know it.
http://theseason.yolasite.com/
Report Post »docgreen
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 12:12amSgt B
Report Post »People said the same thing about Hitler as your thinking of Iran! Do you think these people will just go away? Maybe bury their heads in the sand? Wake up, yet if you read the Bible you would see this has been told to us in the Bible!
lukerw
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 2:17amThe Barbarians are approaching the Door! Who wants to let them in?
Report Post »poorrichard09
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 7:39amThe article left out Ezekiel 38-39.
Report Post »000degrees
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 8:46amDb thanks. SgtB, I respect you and your service to our constitution, oorah Marine Corp. I would ask you what your definition of a zealot is. Having faith in the Lord and sharing that faith through works is our duty. If you were in a car headed for a cliff, shouldn’t I tell you there is a cliff approaching? Semper Fi
Report Post »pocketspy
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 10:24am@exrepub you have that last statement backwards. Don‘t pay attention to those things that don’t match up, pay attention to the things that do. Some have already mentioned many of them.
1) Israel returning to her homeland.
2) Wars and rumors of war.
3) Changed in the seasons.
4) world-wide communications
But this is not the end. There still has to be a falling away from the faith, which is starting to increase thes days. Bigger still will be the Taking Away or Rapture of all true believers in Jesus Christ. This event can happen now or ten years from now. But, the events of the book of Revelation will not happen until the Rapture occurs. Who knows, perhaps the event of the Rapture will be the spark that kicks off the war. One country will blame another for the event, and then, the missles will start flying. Just glad that I won’t be here for it.
Report Post »madjack
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 1:03pmFound a great video that thoroughly debunks these “strange sounds” video claims…
See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDFNM86I2-U
I think when God wants Man to take notice, we won’t have to watch some YouTube video to hear about it.
Report Post »VastRightWingConspirator
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 2:16pmTonight I will set aside time to pray for all of you will ignore God’s word. So many people have attempted to prove that the Bible is false, and yet none have succeeded. Just as so many have tried to prove that man evolved from primordial goo, or that the universe came from dark matter, or that dark matter even exists yet none can prove that either. It takes more faith to believe in scientific theories about human existence than it does to believe the simple truth of Christ, yet, so many will continue to ignore him to their own peril. Of course, you feel better denying Christ because it justifies your own narcissism (hope I spelled that correctly) and allows you to be as decadent as you want without any reprecussions. But, the day will come for all of us when we will stand before our maker and be judged for our actions. If I am wrong in my belief (which I’m not) then I will have wasted my life attempting to be kind, helpful, loving, truthful, honest, and faithful and there will be no eternal life in Heaven. If you who turn from Christ are wrong…“there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth”.
May God smile upon you and give you his wisdom so that you follow his teachings and dwell with us forever in Heaven.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 8:05pmHoax!
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 8:08pmThis guy is spot on:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDFNM86I2-U&feature=related
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 4:20pm“So, what’s next? The battle of Armageddon is described in part in Ezekiel 38: the prophet foresees a massive confederacy of nations invading Israel. The leader of the confederacy is called Gog of the land of Magog. Many Bible students have expected Russia to fulfill the role of Gog. Magog was an ancient name for the land of the Scythians in the southern part of what is now Russia. This invader unites other enemies against Israel.”
Sorry Blaze, your theology is wrong. The Battle of Gog and Magog is different than Armageddon. Gog and Magog, like you said, is Russia and it’s Persian allies trying (unsuccessfully) to destroy Israel. Will likely happen during the tribulation. Armageddon is the Anti-Christ and all the armies under his control meeting in the valley of Megiddo to fight Christ (also unsuccessfully) so just thought I would clarify.
Report Post »blackyb
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 4:32pmGog and Magog is who Russia is now.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 4:41pmSo you think Russia and Iran will fight with arrows and spears along with horses and chariot? False.
Tribulation theory is false too. Daniels 70 weeks are completed, thus we have Jesus Christ as a Lord and Savior.
You really need to find better sources to follow because the info you are telling is just untrue.
@okiemuskogee33 on twitter
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:03pmwhat if gog is romney and magog is obama…who really knows. first of all, we dont know if that was literal or symbolic. second of all, we dont know if that has already been fulfilled over history.
Report Post »Stopit
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 7:02pmThe battle of God and Magog occurs at the end of the 1000 year reign of Christ. (Rev 20:7-9)
Report Post »At the beginning of the Millenium they shall beat their swords into ploughshares and their spears into pruninghooks. (Isaiah 2:4) Life will revert to non-industrialized, no cars, and horses will again be used.
The battle of Armageddon includes all nations drawing to the middle east at the end of the 7 year Tribulation period, just before Christ comes to set up the millenial kingdom from the throne of David in Jerusalem. Ezekieal 38 is at the end of the millenium and Exekiel 39 is at the end of the tribulation. Interestingly, Exekiel 37 presents the physical resurrection of the whole nation of Israel.
Welcome Black Carter
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 7:52pmGood point. And accurate.
Report Post »See you all in the valley…
docgreen
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 8:00pm@squid That part doesn’t come until the end of the 7year Tribulation period when Jesus comes back to earth! There should be a some more Wars like WWIII coming where Russia moves down with its allies to try to conquer Israel! I believe this will be started when Israel bombs Iran! Keep in mind whos building those Nuclear facilities! Now take in mind has Damascus“Syria” has it ever been destroyed for 40 years? No! We know that it will happen and Nobody except the jackals will want to live there! Why, I believe it may have something to due with Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical weapons! Imagine that; the US and Other countries are worried about those same things happening if the leadership in Syria falls!…. They are worried that peaceful muslims will try to do something with them! I believe the Russians helped move plane loads of Sadams weapons into the Bekka Valley also! This happened prior to the Iraq war! Israel was never surrounded until recently by its enemies until Egypt fell. Now look at what the Bible says about Egypt in the end times! Also what about the Obama’s muslim brotherhood coming to power! Islams so called peaceful image! Obama is pulling the muslim world together 12th imam/ global Caliphate. What are the chances the Bible telling us a Global Roman syle leader will arise! What are the chances the Bible tells us that the end is close when we see Global leader, Economic system and Religion being forced on us? islams the religion, Ec. Obamas
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Posted on April 9, 2012 at 8:07pmObama is the Antichrist, keep in mind he “obama’ is going to collapse the Dollar to create this new World order/economic system, religion, Roman style Govt. telling us what we can eat, sleep, drink, and pulling the muslim world together to chop off heads of the people who don’t accept him! Right now everythings being set up for these last days and it F-ing nuts to see these things coming together! God who inspired people to write the Bible and to see it coming to fruition is Crazy! I do not look forward to what about to hit the earth, but I‘m glad I’m on the right side with God! Its here and Wars about to start in the middle East!
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Posted on April 9, 2012 at 8:09pm@DocGreen
Can you civilly explain what 7 year “theory” is based on?
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Will you also respectfully tell me which number comes AFTER 62?
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Posted on April 9, 2012 at 9:25pmOkie the seven year tribulation period has two, 3 1/2 year periods that equal 7years! As far as you thinking that this has taken place allready, I feel sorry for you! Did Jesus not tell us that he would return? When has the Jews ever been brought back to their homeland? Read my prior posts and then let me know? One question has Damascus ever been destroyed for 40 years where nobody has ever wanted to live in Damascus? No, well then explain to me how that Prophecy could have come to fruition? Then what about Egypt, has it ever been destroyed when did the Jews return to their homeland? 1948, when did they take over Jerusalem? 1967 how could the land Israel be divided until it became a state 1948 so you thinking that this has all taken place allready is a false teaching! When has the Whole World seen Jesus return? It hasn’t happened yet! What about the Antichrist and the Falling away of the believers? Hasn’t happened yet! My Gosh, how can you sit there and think that this stuff has allready taken place? Its just like I said in my earlier posts! What about the Generation thats supposed to see all these things coming to pass? What about God Sealing up the Book until the time of the End? Then theres this, for Two thousand years people road Donkeys, Horses and such, does the Bible not tell us that knowledge will be increased in the end? What about flaming charriots? What did they use torches on there cherriots? No, they didn’t know how to explain some of this s
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Posted on April 9, 2012 at 9:41pmNo, as far as future Prophecy half of the Prophecy has never happened! What about the Third Temple, has that ever been rebuilt? What about the Millenial temple the one that comes down from heaven. Has that happened, No! Do people go to Jerusalem to worship the true Savior. He’s the one thats going to rule with us on Earth! Ezekial 38 and 39 has this ever happened. NO, allot of this stuff has not happened yet, and you need to undestand this! What about Beating your weapons of war into plows and such. Have we ever had a time where there was no War? So tell me, how is our savior here on Earth, without him really coming back? Can’t happen! He is going to come back in person! What about Israel being surrounded on all sides? Hasn’t happened and until 19478 could not have happened! You see the Jews were dispersed throughout the World. 1948 they were brought back to thier homeland! Thats when Gods prophetic time clock restarted! Let me ask you this 200 years ago did people fly in the skys? The bible asks us who are they that Fly in the sky like birds. If this had happened who was flying in the sky? No. I’m not trying to be hard on you but if the milennial kingdom is on Earth, with all this War and terrorism I’d hate to see whats happening in heaven! Some Great programs to Watch “Prophecy in the News”, “Perry Stone”, and or “ack Van Impe”! These are all programs that will help you understand the times were living in. I love to read and study theology
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Posted on April 9, 2012 at 10:01pm@Doc Green
I asked if you could civilly explain what 7 year tribulation theory is based on. It‘s based on Daniel 9’s 70 weeks last week not being fulfilled. Do you agree?
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I then asked if you could respectfully say what number came after 62. The answer is 1. Do you agree?
You posted a lot that I will get to shortly, but let’s first discuss my simple questions.
Daniel 9:26 says when the Messiah (Jesus) is cut off (Crucified). Can you tell me when it says this occurrs?
“And AFTER threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off”
What number comes after 62 again? And is saying the last week is yet fulfilled denying Christ died for ALL sin to END it? Think about that…..
Can you provide any verse speaking of “7 years tribulation”?
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Posted on April 9, 2012 at 10:15pm@Doc Green
If I say Jesus is not the Son of God and you say Yes He is, do we worship the same God? Think about that before answering.
Yes, Jesus said He’d return. In order to “return” He first must have been here as predicted in Daniel 9.
Jews were brought back to their homeland after released from Babylon.
You are mixing a lot of prophesies that shouldn’t be. It’s quite confusing and not making much sense.
Esther‘s time is attributed to your Ezekiel war you believe hasn’t happened by several theologians. Look it up.
I’m sorry but your rant is very hard to comprehend. Let’s finish up those questions I posed and go from there. I’ll answer any question you have not with my words, but with God’s Word.
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Posted on April 9, 2012 at 10:48pmOkie, that seven year period has not and will not start until we our gathered away together to meet the Our Lortd in the Air! Explain to me about some of the statements I made? When have we ever went to Jerusalem and Israel to worship? Wheres the Milennial temple the one thats supposed to come out of heaven that 1500 Sq miles big? Your so ignorant and your putting people down, yet at the same time you think that kingdoms allready come! Wheres the 3rd temple? Yet you think its allready been rebuild, then why is it they are getting ready to rebuild the 3rd temple on the temple mount? Where’s Jesus on Earth? “Not the Spirit”! Wheres the Antichrist the one thats supposed to come, yet all you can do is say its allready happened? Answer these questions! My goodness, so after the Romans destroyed the temple ans dispersed the Jews along with Hitler, when did they have their own Homeland? They didn’t its been uninhabited for years! Also when has Israel blossomed, maybe its when they were dispersed throughout the world? Does the Bible not say Israel will blossom after the Lord gathers them into they’re homeland? Your an Idiot for calling other people names! So tell me when did the Charriotts rage in the streets with fire? Do we not take the Bible literally whenever possible? Hmmm maybe they used Flashlighs and shined them out the backs of their charriots! When they wrote the Bible they didn’t know how to explain it! Cars Streets, Flames, NHRA, Nascar, Airplane
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Posted on April 9, 2012 at 11:08pm@Doc Green
Can you or can you not hold a civil respectful conversation and answer the questions I posed? Aren’t we as followers of Christ to do that? I’m trying to, are you?
You put a lot of words into my mouth I did not say. So again, please answer my questions I issued to you respectfully and civilly.
Here is a very simple one: did Jesus end sin?
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Posted on April 9, 2012 at 11:17pm“No”, he took away our sin! If we don’t have sin why are people still sinning?
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Posted on April 9, 2012 at 11:32pmWhy did Christ die and conquer death?
If belief in him means you have “zero sin” is your sin ended?
The belief Jesus did not “end sin” is a belief in a lesser Jesus, almost to the point of rejection. You realize that don’t you?
I think you do believe Jesus “ended sin” otherwise why would you believe in Him? You just don’t realize what you believe…
Only those who reject Christ still sin. Those who accept Him repent when they err and that sin is ended. Belief in Christ “ends your sin”.
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Posted on April 9, 2012 at 11:49pm@Doc Green
So again, Jesus Lord of Lords and King of Kings forces us not to believe in Him. He allows us to choose a wide worldly path (rejection) or the straight and narrow path (belief). As Lord and King over Earth, belief in Him does what to your sin?
If you remove a stain from some jeans, does it still exist or has the stain ended?
Next simple question: when does Daniel 9:26 say the Messiah is cut off?
“And AFTER threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off”
Please answer that question.
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Posted on April 10, 2012 at 12:08amOkie He died so our sins may be forgiven! If he was here allready would we not be robed in white? We will sin on Earth until we meet the Lord in the Air! Caught up “raptured” to meet the Lord in the air. We will be taken up to Heaven for a period of seven years! 1week Daniels 70th Week! Henceforth at the end of seven years we return to Earth with the Milenial Kingdom! The 1500 sq mile one that comes down from heaven! I keep asking you where this Mellenial kingdom is at if its on Earth right now? Its not! Wheres the 3rd temple? I will not change my mind on this and you won’t change it either! I probably won’t change yours, but it seems funny to me that all these things that are happening in the World right now, and yet you believe that this end stuff is just a false Idea! Tell me, when have the Jews ever returned back to their homeland? So it wasn‘t until 1948 what Israel was once again back in they’re hands! The Nomads that lived there prior to the Jews returning Home couldn’t grow anything there. Once the Jews returned to the State of Israel, it started to Blossom! When has the Antichrist ever divided the land of Israel? They haven’t yet the Bible says it will! So when has that happened? It has not! The land has not blossomed until the rebirth of Israel! Yet you believe this has allready happened? So if this stuff has allready happened why than is it happening right before our eyes? Coincidence? Not. Why did god tell Daniel to seal up the Boo
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Posted on April 10, 2012 at 12:27amSo Okie when is the book supposed to be unsealed? Do you think that it was shut for a few years and the all this stuff happened when the Romans conquered Jerusalem? When was the Book reopened? Why is it you want me to keep answering your questions yet you never answer mine? Why don’t you start, so you can tell me when did Israel start to Blossom? When were they regathered into their homeland? Wheres the Third Temple, I suppose you want me to think that Satan and the Antichrist is inside Jesus? it doesn’t make any sense! The third Temple has never been rebuilt! We know that the Antichrist set an image up in it. People are made to worship that image has that happened yet? Has Damascus been destroyed yet? What about Egypt? So you claim to be this knowledgeable person yet you can’t answer some of these simple questions. Why? Because those things have not happened yet! People have allways lived in Damascus and its never been destroyed yet! The Bible says it will so whens that supposed to happen? Why are we going to be caught up in the air to meet the Lord in the air? Why are people still sinning, if we our living in the millenial temple why are people still sinning? Did Jesus not tell us he was going to prepare a place for us do you think its on this Earth as Much sin that goes on here? We will have sin till he comes back to Earth to set up his Millenial Kingdom. Thats why we still have sin! Satan still here! What about War, if he’s herewhy are people kill
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Posted on April 10, 2012 at 12:35am@Doc Green
And forgiveness does what? Ends sin.
It says a lot in your refusal to openly say what God’s Word says posted right before you and not answering the question: When does it say the Messiah is cut off”.
I’m not interested in hearing what some other fellow has told you. I‘m interested in discussing what God’s Word says and you refuse to use it even though I posted it before you. Do you not find that troublesome?
If you want to know what I believe, simply ask and do not put words into my mouth. That isn’t treating me how you wish to be treated, is it?
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Posted on April 10, 2012 at 12:43am@Doc Green
So one last time, can you tell me when does Daniel 9:26 says the Messiah is cut off? Not when I say he’s cut off or when joe joe up the road says but when does Daniel 9:26 say the Messiah is cut off?
“And AFTER threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off”
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Posted on April 10, 2012 at 12:47am@ okie from mesk…..63 comes after 62 dude
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Posted on April 10, 2012 at 1:01am@Dennis
As laid out by Daniel:
7 weeks
62 weeks
1 week
So, AFTER 62 week set, we are in the 1 week set aka last week, 70th week.
Daniel 9:26 says the Messiah is cut off in the last week.
@Doc Green
When does Daniel 9:25 say Jesus, Messiah as in Baptized (anointed), would come?
“Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks:”
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Posted on April 10, 2012 at 1:22am@Doc Green
I have no problem answering any question you have to the best of my ability but in order to do so, you need to articulate your questions so as another can follow what you ask and make sense of what you are saying, as well as post the verse you are questioning.
Ranting over several different issue while adding your opinion on my belief while running it all together to make zero cognitive sense is not a very good method of constructive communication.
So-Quote a verse, and ask your question. I will answer. One step at a time. It’s that simple and easy if you choose that path. I hope so. Look forward to discussing God’s Word if so.
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Posted on April 10, 2012 at 1:48amSo tell me when will Damascus be destroyed and Uninhabital for 40 years?
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Posted on April 10, 2012 at 11:52am@Doc Green
Please provide the verse!
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Posted on April 10, 2012 at 12:37pmOkie, I appreciate your thoughtful attempt to prove your position, but you have hung so much on the word “after.” In Daniel 9:26. If the scriptures stated 7 62 1 then OK, but it clearly does not. It infers the 7 is unfulfilled.
There are so many reliable caculations that place the 483 years spoken of by Daniel at exactly the correct time of the crucifixion of our L-rd. The Jews missed it…(blinded, Romans 9) The final week of years is the Tribulation to complete the prophecy in 9:24. Look at 9:24, it is addressed to the Jews. Have these been fulfilled for them other than the atonement for iniquity. The Day of the L-rd is upon us in a general sense and will be fulfilled in a narrow sense Zechariah 12:10. The Jews at the end of the Tribulation will recognize their (and our) Messiah, thus beginning the Millenial reign.
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Posted on April 10, 2012 at 1:37pm@Concernative
Daniel lays out quite clearly 7, 62, 1 as sets of weeks that equal the 70 weeks determined to be placed on as you said the Jews to bring about the Jewish Messiah. That’s the whole point of the 70 weeks, to bring about the Jewish Messiah. Is it not?
Daniel never implies the 7 are unfulfilled as you suggest, in fact, quite the opposite occurs. Daniel 9:25 lays out 7 weeks and then 62 weeks. That gives us the order right there. So in order to complete the 62, the 7 to build the temple must be completed. Not my words, but Daniel’s.
7 year tribulation is man made up and false. I know it‘s popular right now but it doesn’t make it true.
Yes, “after” describes when something happens. It is important wouldn’t you say? That word “after” goes all the way back to the original translations, so again, yes it is important.
Think about the overall point of the 70 weeks. What was the point of them. If 7 year tribulation is true, why did Jesus not mention it, nor any Apostle but Jesus took the time to detail the prophecy of 66/70AD?
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Posted on April 10, 2012 at 2:26pmAt some point there will be WWIII which will kill 1/3 of the population. This will create a call for world wide peace. The anit-christ will arise with the false prophet, rebuild the temple, then the anti-christ will stand in the rebuilt temple and proclaim himself Messiah (this is referred to as the consecration of desecratation I believe). The time of the rapture is highly debated as to if it occurs before of after these things (we will find out some day) but the time line seems clear that there is 3 1/2 years from the consecration of desecration to the battle of Armageddon.
When will this happen? Only God knows, Crist told us we would not know the hour of the day. But, he didn‘t say we wouldn’t see the storm clouds gathering. I may be wrong but it’s starting to seem pretty cloudy.
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Posted on April 10, 2012 at 2:44pmOkie, has Damascus ever become a ruinos heap? If you say No, I have my answer! Isaiah 17 verse 1 Why do you ask when you know the verse, you want to delay when you know the verse! Why? SO when has Damascus ever become a Ruinos heap? Destroyed?
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Posted on April 10, 2012 at 2:48pmOkie you say all these things have happened, yet why is Russia getting ready to move troops down to the North Boarder of Iran? http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2012/04/10/russian-massing-troops-near-nothern-iranian-border/ Yet you seem to think that all the is irrelavent? OMGosh! So all these things are just a mere coincidence? Its probably 1 in 20 Trillion that all these things are just a coincidence!
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Posted on April 10, 2012 at 3:17pm@Doc Green
I ask the verse to make sure we are speaking of the same thing, not to delay anything. Also for you to see how much is added by you, that really is not there.
(KJV) Isaiah 17:1 The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from [being] a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.
Yes-There is two different times argued among scholars as to when Damascus was in ruins.
Here is the most common one straight from the Bible.
II Kings 16:9 “And the king of ASsyria hearkened unto him: for the king of Assyria went up against Damascus, and took it, and carried the people of it captive to Kir, and slew Rezin.”
If people are taken captive, and King is killed, the city no longer is occupied and is in ruin.
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Posted on April 10, 2012 at 3:36pm@Doc Green
What is it exactly that I have said has happened?
I‘d say Russia created a plan to move troops thru Georgia into Amenia on Iran’s Northern border in preparation for US invasion of Iran. Russia would see it as a threat to Russia‘s national security just like we’d see Russia invading Mexico as a threat to ours. You think this is a Bible prophecy fulfillment or something?
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Posted on April 10, 2012 at 6:38pmOkie, thanks for the response. I see you have been very busy answering many, many issues regarding your position. You write as a historicist and/or preterist. I grant you that many of the L-rd’s prophecies have had local or partial fulfillment but that as a futurist many will be fulfilled completely by future events. What many neglect is that the Tribulation, the “Time of Jacob’s Trouble” etc. is focused on the Jews. As Paul stated emphatically they are certainly not forgotten. In addition, they ALL will be brought in after the full measure of the gentiles have been brought in. They have been blinded until that time is completed. Bringing us back to the timetable or “bones” of Daniel’s prophecy.
I agree that 69 weeks have been fulfilled. Leaving us with that last 7. You say Jesus was cut off “crucified” in the middle, I believe it is at the end of the 483rd year reckoned by the only year to have a a Special Sabbath and a Sabbath allowing Jesus own prophecy of 3 days and 3 nights as Jonah was in the belly of the fish to be fulfilled (Friday – Sunday does not fulfill this) This is clearly pointed to by John’s gospel and the writers of the synoptic gospels. Two Sabbath’s same week and a first day of the week empty tomb. Looking at those facts it is very easy to calculate what year he was crucified which does not place it in the middle of the 7 referred to by Daniel AND equal 483 years from the well established start time in Daniel 9:25.
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Posted on April 10, 2012 at 9:04pmA side note reading back through all of the posts.. Okie said “Jews were brought back to their homeland after released from Babylon.” This is partially true, or a partial fulfillment of the ultimate exile by the Romans in 70 AD. Reason being Jeremiah 3:18, 50:4-7 and 16:14-15, these verses describe the combined nation of Judah and Israel. Judah alone returned from Babylon, Israel was still exiled in Assyria. As it says in Ezekiel 37, it is G-d’s intention to bring both houses together in the end times, thus the restoration “Fig Tree” we have witnessed since 1948.
Secondly, Okie said “after” he believes that implies in the Seventh Week of years. That is also a leap of faith in his interpretation just as I believe that it implies “cut off” EXACTLY at the expiration of the 483rd year. Leaving the 7th unfulfilled.
The unfulfilled week helps us to understand the sealed prophecies that the L-rd has promised us in the end times, “son‘s and daughter’s will prophesy” etc. It explains G-d’s promise to the Jews, His promise in Nahum to not leave the guilty unpunished, His promise in Isaiah 26:9 to His people to learn righteousness. It also makes what Jesus said in Matthew 24 a truth, that if He does not return during this time of Great Tribulation “no one would survive” have we ever been this close in all of history to total annihilation? Even what Hitler did PALES in comparison to what is coming.
Lastly, it fulfills G-d’s promise to His son to reign i
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Posted on April 10, 2012 at 10:24pmOkie, I didn’t see in your verse about Damascus being Destroyed. It has bnot ever happened yet! This is still future Prophecy! When the Bible states that the city will be destroyed it does not mean that a king is going to conquer it! Thats no destroyed! The city will be destroyed and uninhabitable! As far as Russia moving down from the North does it the Bible not say that Ezekial 38 and 39 state Gog and Magog with and conferderation of Israels enemies will move down into the Middile East? I believe the catalyst will be Israel destroying the Nuclear facilities in Iran! Russia and China are building most of these facilities! Russia has also moved troops and equipment into Syria ports! Why if not for God pulling them into the final days? I have given you numerous things to think about and for someone like you to say that all these things are a coincidence is beyound my belief! I’m not trying to put you down, but please open your eyes to the truth! What land have the Jews ever been brought back to other than their Homeland Israel? They were dispersed throughout the world until 1948 when Israel “their original Homeland” was called the state of Israel? So if they were dispersed how could the Land of Israel “Jerusalem”be divided if Israel was not in they’re hands? It couldn’t! In the 6 day war Israel took back the city of Jerusalem and I believe they also took the Golan heights “Mount Maggiddo” 1967 not before! Now we have people “Obama” wanting them
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Posted on April 10, 2012 at 10:29pm@Concernative
Sorry for delayed response, kids take some time up.
No, Jews have not been forgotten, ALL can be saved thru acceptance of the Jewish Messiah, right? God did not forbid Jews from accepting Christ as Gentiles were mostly forbidden from Judaism. In fact, didn’t Paul say that is the only way natural branches will stay on the tree? I do not agree with your idea all Jews will be brought in after the times of the Gentiles, can you provide a verse specifically? It seems as if you are supporting the notion Jews need not to embrace Jesus. Am I understanding you correctly?
As for Daniel‘s 70 weeks and Christ’s crucifixion, can we not use historical facts of when the Temple was called to be rebuilt, as Daniel says to, to pinpoint a timeframe?
My historical records show this:
457 BC Ezra 7:1-27 – order for Temple to be rebuilt
27 AD Daniel 9:25 Christ Baptized;483 years or 69 weeks complete
31 AD Daniel 9:26,27 Crucifixion; 3 1/2 years messiah cut off;
34 AD Act 7:59 Stephen Stoned; Gentiles preached to. 70 weeks
Lastly, in Daniel 9:27, how do you distinguish the “he” from “he”?
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and FOR the overspreading of ABOMINATIONS he shall make it DESOLATE, even until the CONSUMMATION, and that determined shall be POURED upon the DESOLATE (Daniel 9:27 KJV)
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Posted on April 10, 2012 at 10:40pmJerusalam! So what are the chances that this also is just coincidence? As far as the statement “God will put a hook into the Jaws of all the Nations for the Battle of Armageddon” do you think this has also taken place allready? No! Its happening right now? What about this. What about Judgement day; have we went through that allready? I haven’t sat in front of Jesus and been Judge so how could all these things happen, yet Judgement day hasn’t happened? Hmmmm, I guess if I were you I may have to re-evaluate your thinking! This stuff did not all happen! It was future prophecy, why would God tell us that no one knows the day or the hour of his return; if we listened to your thinking this has allready happened yet I haven’t seen Judgement day! Have you? So if this stuff had allready happened why would he put it in the Bible for us to be watching for him coming on a cloud? What would we have to look forward to? Sin? Killing? Stealing, Adultary? Wheres the Milenial kingdom? the one thats supposed to come down from the Heavens? The one with the Large Perl Gates, Gold Streets? This Kingdom is supposed to be 1500 miles cubed! So wheres that? Thats just it, it hasn’t and its for future Prophecy! If all these things have happened what do we have to look forwrd to? Jesus coming back? Your under the understanding that all this has allready happened. Thats why were supposed to be ready for him to gather us up to meet the Lord in the Air! When did the Two witnessli
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Posted on April 10, 2012 at 10:48pm@Concernative
I must differ with you that “Israel” was still held in Assyria. Many scholars teach Israelis regrouped back into Judah and upon return from Babylon you have Israel the Nation, not just Judah.
“After” describes when and was used for a purpose. To ignore “before”, “during”, or “after” would be poor studying of God’s Word. Do you ignore these words thru the whole Bible or just in this one prophecy? When the Bible says “when” something will happen it is important and isn’t to be ignored or called a “leap of faith”.
Tribulation will occur, tribulations and a “great tribulation” but nothing of 7 years was EVER taught. NEVER EVER. Jesus detailed the Romans coming in 70 AD but did not mention 7 years of tribulation nor did any Apostle. Why?
Hitler was horrific but paled in comparison to the millions slaughtered, tortured, and murdered at the hands of the 1st beast. History is lost on so many and how quickly thru generations do we forget or are not even taught main events that occurred.
It saddens me so many fail to see what is blatantly infornt of them and forget what their own faiths founders taught and embrace the very evil they preached against.
One last simple question: if I say Jesus is not the Son of God and you do, do we worship the same God?
I do appreciate you and the good dialogue very much.
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Posted on April 10, 2012 at 11:05pm@Doc Green
You must be ignorant of the fact how one becomes captive and what happens to the city upon capture in those days. So you know, they burnt it to the ground in those days. Ruins. Secondly, archeological finds IN Damascus report of multiple times in which the City was destroyed. Roman artifacts are found about 10 ft deep or so of current city level. You know not what you speak about on Damascus. Do some research and we will talk.
Please show where in the verse it says uninhabitable? And once you cannot, again, because you are parroting some preacher, again, realize you are doing nothing constructive for God.
Again, stop putting words into my mouth. I never said anything was coincidence. You have a problem with either comprehension or telling the truth. You pick which one it is but stop putting words into my mouth.
Again, respectfully, learn to articulate what you are saying. If you leave our conversation with anything, please leave with that. A person will never be able to understand you and you will never reach the heart and minds of anyone ranting random thoughts jammed into one big mess.
Simple question: You believe Obama is the anti-Christ, right? Yes or no.
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Posted on April 11, 2012 at 12:13amYou keep putting people down about a seven year period itw two 3 1/2 periods equals seven years I’m not putting words in your mouth, and you still have to answer some questions. Why is it you can not explaine to me why all these things are happening? Wheres the Millenial Kingdom? Where is the Perl Gates Streets of Gold? You tell me I’m just spewing things out, yet when will you explain to me about these things? You don‘t have an answer because the Millenial kingdom hasn’t come down from heaven! Jesus has not returned to live and dwell with us on Earth! Judgement day has not happened, yet you can’t explain these things, so if anyone is Spewing Lies I’d say it was you! With your Ideology that this stuff has happened! Answer these simple questions above, you can’t! Just like you can’t explain to me why were the Jews brought back to their homeland in 1948? What about Israel blossoming? Yet now it is, after the Jews returned to their homeland Israel!… You can’t, and you won’t. If you reasoning is like you say, what in the World do we have to look forward to? Hell on Earth? I feel sorry for you because you can’t look at the things happening in the World thats showing signs of Jesus Return for the church! “Caught up to meet the Lord in the Air”. Raptured. Explain some of these things; you can’t. Has the Battle of Armageddon happened in your Utopia? So when Israel is surrounded by hateing muslims thats allready happened? Chances that this is all happe
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Posted on April 11, 2012 at 12:49amOkie one last thing when has egypt ever been destroyed for 40 years? Ezekiel Chapt 29 verses 1 through 16? Yet I asked you about this yesterday and you didn’t answer. So why do you keep asking about verses when you know the verses I have been talking about? Yet, you excuse yourself ,and don’t want to answer these questions, why? You stated that the City of Damascus was destroyed and rebuilt, yet why then are there Chuches still there that have been there since those churches were started? Ancient churches! Yet you seem to think that because part of Damascu was burned or destroyed thats fullfillment of scripture? Isaiah Chapt 17 verse1 is Says “Damacus will cease from being a city, and it will be a ruinous heap” so your theory is that happened and then they rebuilt the city? That would make the Bible a lie, it says Damascus will cease from being a city, that has not happened yet! For you to imply that only part of the city was destroyed and then they rebuilt it is a lie if you believe the Bible is the True word of God! Just like Soddam and Ghamorra, they were completely destroyed nd were uninhabitable! Damascus will cease from being a city! Sounds to me like Nuclear, Bilogiocal, Chemical or Super Natural destruction to me. So answer some of these questions for me, I’d greatly appreciate it!….
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Posted on April 11, 2012 at 12:54am@Doc Green
I have not “put anyone down” for belief in 7 year tribulation. I have told them it’s false, because it is.
You again are not comprehending what I write. I show Daniel’s 70 weeks as prophecy of the 1st coming of Jesus Christ, His crucifixion, and the New covenant opened to Gentiles, nothing more. That does NOT mean everything YOU tie into your 7 year tribulation has or has not occurred. That’s you assuming or putting words into my mouth, which as a follower of Christ, you should not do. Stop.
Once you can take the time to compose a sensible post, I’ll gladly try and answer any of the questions you ask. I will NOT respond to a childish emotional non comprehensible rant. I’m not going to waste my time with that.
Yes I can answer when in my faith the millennial kingdom occurs. When the unsecret Rapture occurs. When Armageddon occurs. Who the 1st beast is. 2nd beast is. Seals that have occurred. Trumpets that have been blown. And much much more. But you really do not seem interested in conversing but more ranting and raving. Heck, you can’t even answer simple questions over what the Bible says that is posted right before you.
You posted you believe Obama is the anti-Christ. That sums up your understanding for me. Have a good night and best wishes.
Report Post »docgreen
Posted on April 11, 2012 at 1:27amSo I’m ranting, and your not answering the questions about Damascus and Egypt. As far as the 70th week, that has not started, and will not until the peace agreement with Israel and the Antichrist! As far as Obama, Yes I do believe he’s evil and he could be. But put me down for that, and I’m ranting! I;ve answered your questions yet you seem to ecscape the ones I have offered you. I guess you try to belittle someone when you can’t answer the questions. So a sensible post is trying to answer your questions, yet you do not answer the ones I’ve asked about. Why! So all of us that believe in the end times, and whats about to happen in the Middle East are wrong and Your the One thats right. Does that sum it up? All I’ll ask about is Damascus and Egypt? Thank you and I hope and Pray that you’ll open your eyes to other views. I‘m not saying I’m right or wrong, I just believe this stuff is future prophecy. I did not try to put words in your mouth and I’m sorry if I did. If you get time I would love to understand Damascus and Egypt.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on April 11, 2012 at 2:19am@Doc Green
70 weeks – Detailed verse by verse is presented in this thread. If what you believe is correct, you will have no problem cutting and pasting it showing what you believe to be true, is true. Please do not let it offend you I just do not want to take your word on it. I prefer to see God’s Word saying it. I have shown historical and biblical evidence backing up my belief disproving yours in regards to 7 year tribulation based on Daniel’s 70 weeks.
Damascus – 2 Kings 16:9 ” And the king of Assyria hearkened unto him: for the king of Assyria went up against Damascus, and took it, and carried the people of it captive to Kir, and slew Rezin.”
The above is a biblical and historical account. You can either choose to believe it, or not. I do. Uninhabitable is not found in any of those verses, only imaginations of those who do not believe the above, aka added text for an agenda.
Egypt - The word that the Lord spake to Jeremiah the prophet, how Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon should come and smite the land of Egypt. Declare ye in Egypt, and publish in Migdol, and publish in Noph and in Tahpanhes: say ye, Stand fast, and prepare thee; for the sword shall devour round about thee. (Jeremiah 46:13-14 KJV)
The above is biblical and historical account. You can either choose to believe it, or not. I do.
One last suggestion, please stop projecting!
Next question please?
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Posted on April 11, 2012 at 6:01pm@okie
Also apologize for the late response:
It is clear that there is only one way to the Father and that is through the Son. Be it Jew or Gentile. However, in Romans 11:25-27, it is clear that G-d has a plan for the Jews. The full measure of the Gentiles must come in BEFORE he lifts the Blindness and allows them to return. This scripture says ALL. Is that the remnant spoken of in Zechariah 13:8-9, those who come through the Tribulation.. could be. It also may mean that there is a dispensation to the Jews that we have only glimpses of.. Where did Jesus go when His body lay in the tomb… as we are told into the earth, he descended to Sheol to bring the gospel to Paradise. Who inhabited Paradise.. the righteous before the cross Jew and gentile, Hebrews 11, Luke 16, the thief on the cross etc. So is there a dispensation for all Jews that the L-rd has blinded through Jesus… maybe… but still only through the redeeming blood of Jesus.
Report Post »I agree that 457 BC is the correct starting point. It encompasses the decree from Artaxerxes and moving forward 483 years you arrive at 27 AD. Then 3 1/2 years equals 31 AD for being cut off. But like so many before us I see that verse 27 and the ” he” referring to the Antichrist and you see it referring to Christ. I am in the camp as you stated with theory that is commonly held today and brings to light many other Scriptures in a “plain sense” meaning rather from the Amillennial or spiritualizing view. That is ano
Okie from Muskogee
Posted on April 11, 2012 at 11:02pm@Concernative
I want to thank you, thank you for knowing what you believe as well as being able to articulate that belief. The same exact beliefs you hold, I use to teach. There are things I still disagree with you on, but I will honorably call you my brother in faith and hold high respect for the love you have displayed.
As for the 70 weeks, if we are to begin our timeframe from when the call to build the temple as said in Daniel 9, and you agree of the date, i do believe you can see my faiths understanding of this prophecy. I cannot think of any reason for you to refute this view other than it simply isn‘t what you have been taught and it’s hard to change. I get that, because I did exactly that. This one prophecy is the key to unlocking and disproving so much that is falsely taught. I implore you to pray over it and question it with boldness, for God would want nothing less.
As for Romans 11, I will briefly say a few words; in verse 25 it says “blindness in part”, why? The mystery to not be ignorant of is what? Paul then went on to quote Isaiah of a past prophecy of Jesus coming to save Israel (Israel being those who repent as Jacob received the name)….So could the mystery that was concerning the Gentiles be why they were being brought into salvation now and why “part” of the Jews rejected it but the other parts like Paul embraced it? Please think about that.
Regardless of your tribulation view, you are a follower of Christ and that is what is most
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Posted on April 12, 2012 at 8:36pmMy last post was too long sorry for that. If you read this or not that is fine. But it is worth saying.
Report Post »Your last point “do we worship the same G-d.” Absolutely! NONE of what we have discussed here is essential for anyone to accept Jesus as Savior and L-rd. He has made that clear. We can disagree on much but not on the fundamentals of our Faith.
The “he” in verse 27 in my interpretation refers back to Chapter 8 and the pointing to the ruler to come as there is a shift in focus to the Antichrist at the midpoint of verse 26. Not unlike what is said in Matthew 24:3. Two separate statements and Jesus clarified that for us. The end of the age comes first then His coming.
I appreciate your last post and where you have arrived, but I can say the same thing but in the reverse. I used to teach Amillennialism but have looked anew at the preponderance of Scripture that cannot be explained any other way than that of future events that are yet to be fulfilled. It would be of great illumination to test and debate the scriptures with you at any later date. If we ever stop learning we are doomed to complacency and being overcome by the wiles of the Devil. Stay strong in your faith.
Okie from Muskogee
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 1:39am@Concernative
I have either failed in properly articulating my belief or a misunderstanding has occurred in this character limited environment, but Amillennialism is not my belief. My faith holds a 1000 yr reign, just not on Earth. We also believe in “Tribulation” just not a 7 yr one. We believe 70 weeks are completed and was prophecy of Christ coming the first time I’m sure you know that by now. Christ will come and rapture (not secretly) the dead in Christ 1st, and transform the few living 2nd. Non-believers will die by His light and birds will feast on their bodies for 1000 yrs here while we (the saints) reign in the place Jesus went to prepare for us. Satan will be bound on Earth (he was already casted out of Heaven and with every non believer dead he will be locked on Earth with nothing to tempt/do aka prison). After 1000 yrs, we come back in New Jerusalem and the dead non-believers raised allowing Satan to tempt some for the tree of life found in NJ. Hellfire will devour them and final judgement will be completed. Satan and deaths are cast in lake of fire and New heaven and earth are created and we live happily ever after. My faith sees us currently on the last “woe” before the final trumpet and should see the mark enforcement soon followed by the loud cry and 144,000 which is a mimic of judges 7 and Gideon’s army.
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Posted on April 13, 2012 at 1:46amAs for the “He” in Daniel 9:27, Jesus confirmed the covenant with the Jewish people for the entire last “week” or 7 years, from anointment to Stephan’s stoning. In the middle of the week (3 1/2 yrs) His crucifixion caused the sacrifice and oblation to cease as he was the last. For overspreading of abominations (ungodliness, rejection) Jesus, the Son of God made Jerusalem desolate, (Deserted, joyless, grim) until the end (consummation) when the determined (judgement) is poured out (bowls). Daniel 7 and 8 both give 9 keys a piece to the ID of the “Anti-Christ” and neither’s match anything depicted in Daniel 9. Something to study and pray about if you choose to.
As for my inquire on “If I believe Jesus is not the Son of God and you do, do we worship the same God”: I was curious as this is something I find strikingly odd and being someone who seems well versed I was curious to your thoughts. I believe as you, Jesus is the only way to the Father, but Judaism and Islam followers both reject Jesus Christ and both claim to embrace the “God of Abraham”, therefore, why do a lot of “Christian” faiths say Judaism has the same God while Islam does not. My faith believes neither worship the same God as those who worship the Father who sent His Son Jesus Christ.
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Posted on April 13, 2012 at 2:02amSo here is the bigger question: if physical Israel of today (land mass) has zero effect on believers in Jesus Christ salvations, why does “Christianity” teach and push it’s importance as if it does? Knowing Jesus Christ wants no human to kill in His name just as we properly denounce Islamists who claim it‘s ok to kill in their god’s name, why does “Christianity” urge to do so for physical Israel (land mass) when again, it has zero to do with salvation and contradicts Jesus’s teaching? Please know I hate know one, and I say this as some in “Christianity” would instantly say “anti-Semite!” for simply questioning with boldness over this topic, but I do think out of the box. Just how God made me I suppose. I believe and stand for Israel to have a right to exist just as any other Nation of the world and race of people.
You are correct, once we stop discussing God’s Word, Satan wins. I do not claim to know all in regards to God’s Word but I do know what I believe and enjoy much conversing with others of the same respect to learn and as well as help understand. I appreciate you much and know I always check back on previous posts to see if any replies have been made. I hope you are well and stay blessed and I look forward to conversing with you over God’s Word.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on April 13, 2012 at 2:34amOne last point I failed to mention, Daniel was a poetic prophet as most Hebrew was written in. Therefore patterns were used in writing styles as any poetry is.
The first part of each verse speak of Messiah and His works, the second part of each verse speaks of the end results for Jerusalem and its people.
Verse 25
1st part-Seven weeks and 62 weeks until Messiah
2nd part-How Jerusalem will be rebuilt
Verse 26
1st part-Messiah to be “cut off”
2nd part-Jerusalem and the Sanctuary will be destroyed
Verse 27
1st part-The covenant and the sacrifice of Messiah
2nd part-The abomination of desolation in Jerusalem
As you can see verse 25 accounts weeks to bring Messiah and then temple rebuilding. Verse 26 details weeks till crucifixion and then Temple destruction afterwards. Verse 27 accounts the final week, crucifixion and covenant in detail and detail abomination of desolation afterward.
Even today, physical Israel (land) is flooded and overran with Gentiles as well as wars and conflicts daily and it has been that way since the Romans came in 70 AD historically speaking. Just something to ponder. Stay safe!
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Posted on April 13, 2012 at 1:44pm@Okie, OOOPPPS. I did not read this statement carefully enough “If I believe Jesus is not the Son of God and you do, do we worship the same God”
I regretfully answer that my answer is no… I read this in haste and assumed you said that if Jesus is the Son of G-d, then regardless of what prophetic theory we believe are we all worshipping the same G-d. Jesus the son, an integral part of the three persons that is the one True G-d. Then without hesitation we are all Children of G-d, Born Again, Believers. I hope that you will see this not as a judgment upon you or anyone else for the L-rd is the only one who has this responsibility. But there is no grey area concerning this doctrine. Jew or Gentile.
As I said before, Jews will have an opportunity for reconciliation certainly at the end of the Tribulation, but I hope and pray that our dear brothers, G-d’s Chosen People if they are righteous will have provison from the L-rd to accept Jesus before it is too late.
Maranatha! Come Quickly L-rd Jesus. Not an angel or Archangel but the one and only true son of G-d who is G-d and will always be.
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 4:13pmSo be it. I am ready to see the show. It will be a relief from all this precursory BS.
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 4:06pm.
I still think Adycknmyjaw looks like Tarzan and Cheeta’s Love Child…..
And that right there should be enough for a premtive strike, just on ugly alone. Can someone tell me again why we need these people? All they do is provide all the terrorist and a little bit of oil to the world, other that that, what good are they?………
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 4:21pmYeah. He does look a tad bit feral. Or maybe has a gene missing, or an extra one?
Report Post »blackyb
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 4:36pmLooks inside (not inside the holes) of Obama’s ears. They do not look like human ears that I have seen. They are diffrent. Too smooth. I guess I am looking for reasons he is so detached and different from regular Americans. Maybe I should look inside his nose. LOL
Report Post »TOMSERVO
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 4:52pmYowza.
“Can someone tell me again why we need these people?”
That‘s the most disgusting worldview I’ve ever heard.
Report Post »Max jones
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 8:55pmIf you think you need to look up ‘bama’s nose, you will need to contact george Soros’
Report Post »proctologist.
KingCanon
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 4:05pmSimply and Sincerely…. YES !
All of Tomorrow’s Headlines Concerning the Middle East are in the BIBLE Today!
Anyone that can‘t see THAT doesn’t want to see THAT !
Report Post »I DARE someone to PROVE ME WRONG !
blackyb
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 4:21pmThat rings true to me too.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 4:23pmBlazers, it’s our sanctions that are crippling the Iranian economy, and which is breeding hostility toward us.
Lay off the sanctions, and leave other countries alone.
See here.
Closing Hormuz
http://lewrockwell.com/block/block193.html
And here.
Is Ron Paul serious? Blowback in 1979 from a 1953 coup?
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldgbOxDX6DE
TOMSERVO
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 4:56pmWhat a perfectly summatory comment for The Blaze:
Weird, cult-like Christianity? Check.
Extreme nationalism? Check.
Random capitalizations? Check.
Meaningless, unprovable statement? Check.
Throw in a little more blatant racism and you got yourself a stew goin!
Report Post »KingCanon
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 8:15pmTOMSERVO
Report Post »Read it for yourself, that is, if you aren’t afraid to.
Cult? Nay.
SCUBA767
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 8:19pmMatthew 24:
Report Post »[3] And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
[4] And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
[5] For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
[6] And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
[7] For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
[8] All these are the beginning of sorrows.
[9] Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.
Max jones
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 9:01pmTom servo…….There are people who can’t grasp the meaning of the middle east conflagration, Right?
Report Post »jesusrsavior
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 12:46amWhat we need to remember is that the Jews are not the chosen people anymore. After Christ christians became spiritual Israel, which is Christ’s church. Christ’s church is people from every from every tribe, toung, and nation. Jews even have to except Christ as their Savior. Just as the rest of us do. They had there chance as the chosen and failed. That’s why God sent Jesus to us, to save all people and start His church that is spiritual Israel. Spiritual Israel is not a nation. It is a church of true believers in Christ.
Report Post »VastRightWingConspirator
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 2:33pm@A DOCTOR
So why did they have a problem with us before the sanctions? Seriously, do you actually believe they didn’t vehemently hate us before the santions?
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 4:04pmIn Nebuchadnezzar’s dream…That Daniel interpreted
Report Post »The two legs of iron.. One of the LEGS of revived roman empire is…
MEDO-PERSIA (ISLAM)
Suzanne D
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 5:45pmIslam cannot possibly be one of the legs under your scenario, since the religion was created in 610 AD and exists to this day. How can a (relatively) new religion that never died and was never associated in any way with the Roman Empire (which espoused religious views that would have opposed Islam) be a revival of that empire?
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 5:54amI don’t believe Islam is going to be “the faith“ .
Report Post »It’s just one of the legs that ushers in..
The One World Religion ( A perversion of Christianity)
Christianity will be…
infiltrated by other faiths, doctrines and so on.
Giving us a Anti-Christian-“Religion”… Its happening now.
Go look at the Rick Warren story on this site. Very interesting view-points
On The Deity of Christ. Lord Come Quickly.
docgreen
Posted on April 11, 2012 at 2:37amSusan D.
Report Post »Islam goes back long before that. They use to worship 360 idols at Mecca. When Mahammad came arround I believe in 642 or something like that he said get rid of all the Idols Worship One God Allah and the Prophet Mahammad is the Last Prophet. What I would love to know is, why is it they Worship the Black meteor rock and whats inside the the Cubed Box? I have a feeling when this all concludes that it will reveal that is Pandora’s box. As far as the Legs of iron, the second leg could be that of Islam Turkey the Byzintine Empire. I do believe that it is the 2nd Leg. Look at the Prophecy’s of Islam and then look at the Bible and what it says about the Antichrist. Along with that it all starts to add up islam and the roman style government that will be around in the end. My belief its very possible that Islam will be the religion of the Antichrist, and I believe Obama is going to lead the New World order Govt. Henry Kissinger “stated Obama will lead the New World Order”. This is why I think we our very close. Obama has to collapse the US Dollar in order for the Currency of the New World Order. The Coins are allready made. So as you can see that the Govt., Currency, and the Religion are allready to be put forth! Now take what the Koran says about their 12th imam, their messiah, Jesus coming back, and their Ideology of Global Islam/Sharia. Beheading of Christian and Jews, Infidels and its a roman style Govt.Its funny to think they worship a Black Rock,not Jesus the
docgreen
Posted on April 11, 2012 at 3:04amAlso, look what The Bible says about Peace, and a Image thats set up in the third temple. As far as the Image being set up, look at this so called peaceful image of mahammad. People will be made to worship this image. Could it be as simple as Allah, and his trusty False prophet mahammad? You know the really peaceful image. Whos the only people beheading for their religion today? Well if you guessed islam; you guessed right! Now look at Obama and him wanting the muslim brotherhood at his Cairo speech. Him telling us they would never take over Egypt and Lybia. Why then did he say nothing about Syria and Iran? Maybe its because obama has the Idiology of Strict Sharia/Wahabbi/Shiite style of belief. One thing I do know, every if all the muslims come together because of him the World better start praying! Thats why he’s challenging our constitution causing people to rebell here. He needs people to rise up and start killing in the streets. Why, so he can declare marshall law, No Elections! As far as collapsing the Dollar; he needs the Deficit to be so big we can’t possibly pay it off ever! Once he collapses the dollar he has two ways to declare marshall law. Its coming and I wish people were aware of what he’s doing. He “obama” is an evil man! The Bible tells us Satan is the Father of all Lies, obama lies to us every day. Why? Would a true Christian want to divide Israel? No, the Bible tells us not to. So then why does Obama a so called Christian want to? Abortions? Obam
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Posted on April 9, 2012 at 4:00pmAnd nobody comes to ask me?? My twin half-step brother Al- Madhi, the so-called 12th Imam, is a mite slow in the head, You know what I mean?? Not that he can’t put on his velcro-laced sneakers, but he sometime gets the on the correct feet. I blame his , uh, ehhh, developmental problems on hiding in that well for so long. Anyway, he’s not coming and as I am peaceful, these Islamo Nutjobs that are pretending to represent us will go the way of the DODO bird. TTFN
Report Post »blackyb
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 3:59pmLikely so.
Report Post »Ron Staiger
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 3:56pmIf they truly desire Armageddon, why not help them along their way with some of our surplus nukes?
Report Post »USAMEDIC3008
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 4:08pmover 2 billion dead………
Report Post »Welcome Black Carter
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 8:25am“historically, protestants have believed the anti-christ would be the papacy and the beast power the catholic church”
Protestants have toned it down somewhat. We now just believe the catholic church to be one of many false religons.
Report Post »Rust Buster
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 3:53pmOh my, you know, my Dad, who would have been 100 years old this year told me when he was growing up, people were calling the Kaiser the Anit-Christ, then it was Hitler (best canidate so far) in my life it has been the Soviet Union, Red China, the Khomeni, Saddam Hussein, Clinton, and just about every President has been called the Anti-Christ by somebody.Plus there’s been the Harmonic Convergence, the Comet that hit Saturn was supposed to destroy it, 2012 etc. etc. Nobody knows when the world is going to end, only fools pretend they do.
Report Post »blackyb
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 4:19pmHis people, (Christ’s people) will see and know. No one knows the hour or day, but His people know. I believe we are living in the time where it is all working for the last is fulling and very rapidly. There was spoken in the last times of the: scoffers, the lawlessness, the anit-Christs, many professing to be Christ, the wolves in sheeps clothing, those claiming knowlege but becoming fools, children against authority and their parents, change of the seasons, earthquakes in diverse places, people surrounding Israel, sins of flesh magnified (homosexuality and free sex, etc.,) bad being called good and good bad. The list goes on. These things have happened over the years, but not to the extent they are getting the attention they are and all at once. Yes, something big is coming down.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:06pmhistorically, protestants have believed the anti-christ would be the papacy and the beast power the catholic church
Report Post »Max jones
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 9:24pmBlackyB Now we got the conversation going about “convergence”. Its not just about this or that or them and they, but this a convergence of every strange, unlikely, weird, dangerous and potentially deadly situation, trend, threat, scenario and day to day reality…..We could add superlatives till dawn and it would still be insufficient to describe the awesome power of God, and the miraculous accuracy of HIS PROPHECY.
Report Post »Believers get it, non-types can’t
SpankDaMonkey
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 3:50pm.
Are Iran’s Actions Setting the Groundwork for the Fulfillment of Biblical Armageddon?…….
I sure hope so…….Now where is that Pale Rider?…………….
Report Post »momrules
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 3:46pmIsrael will never be wiped off the map. That is a Muslim pipe dream. God has laid out everything for us if we will only read and believe. I happen to believe in the prophecies and that they are being fulfilled as we speak.
Look around, look at the rise of atheism and antiSemitism and antiChristianiy., Look at the rise of Islam and the evil that follows everywhere Islam is.
No one knows the hour but if you let yourself you can feel the change that is happening. You can feel it in the very air we breathe and it is not global warming, it is evil.
Report Post »USAMEDIC3008
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 4:06pmListen to your MOM.
Report Post »Happy Mothers Day (comming soon)
MidWestMom
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 5:12pmfrom one Mom to another…. well said.
Report Post »momrules
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 7:19pmUSAMEDIC3008……….thank you for the Mother’s Day wishes.
Report Post »KidCharlemagne
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 3:41pmIsn’t it time to end these central bank wars once and for all?:
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“Iran-Loves-Israel
In war, people who kill each other,do not know each other and they do not know the reason .The people who do not know each other do not kill each other ! Lasting friendships not only between the people of Iran and Israel but with all the people on Earth. Eternal hatred of war.”
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http://www.facebook.com/israellovesiran
blackyb
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 4:31pmThat notion of “Iran” love Israel is foolishness.
Report Post »blackyb
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 4:58pmIt is hard to get to know someone when they want to wipe you off the face of the earth and have for a couple of thousand years. How many times do people have to hit with a ball bat to figure the swinger of the bat means business? Israel will have to take care of business.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 3:41pmOh, is it time for another Harold Camping moment? Good, I was getting tired of all the 2012 end of the world conjecture having to do with Mayans. Let’s go with another end times prophecy this time around. Maybe next we can try Ragnarok?
Report Post »blackyb
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:24pmYou can always change the channel.
Report Post »Duey2000
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 3:40pmIt’s interesting that this came out today. History Channel this past weekend aired an older piece on the Antichrist and the end times. It was scary to watch it because you could make parallels with everything that was in the special (or in the Bible that they were quoting from) and today’s world. For the longest time I didn’t want to talk about the end times because it made me scared and angry. I was upset (but foolish) to think that it wasn’t fair that God would bring me into this world so close to the end of it (born in 80). I was mad because I was afraid that I wasn’t going to get to grow old like those before me. Now that I am older and I understand it better, I want to tell everybody to be prepared! I firmly believe that I will be left behind to be a soldier for God’s army. Regardless of whether you believe in the Bible or not, it is important to read the above article very carefully. There is war-mongering and plotting going on that can(and probably will) lead to a third World War. It is important to see how the president handles foreign affairs because it will impact the rest of the world if he is flippant or unresponsive to threats from some of the “weaker” nations.
Report Post »blackyb
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 4:26pmGod will rapture his people out in the twinkling of an eye and your body will be changed. Christ will come as one leading His army and they will not be defeated. He said not to worry for these times must come to past, but His people will not see the worst of it. Those who do not believe will be left here to either take the mark of the beast and be eternally damned or will have to reconcile with God and be killed by the anti-Christ. I believe it is wiser to repent now and miss that show.
Those surrounding Israel now to defeat her are going to be destroyed. God will intervene
Report Post »SCUBA767
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 8:33pmIf your a Christian and believe in him only you will not be left behind. All his people will be called up into the heavens. We probably will not even hear the trumpet. Your Gaurdian Angel will be with you through the Valley of the Shadow of Death.
Report Post »Paul
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 12:23amSorry Blacky.
Don’t deceive people, are you another Wolf ? Cut the talk till you can back it up in the WORD OF GOD NOT !!!MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Damn it! There is NO rapture WHY do you think the World is going to be deceived ???
READ THIS PEOPLE and decide for yourself, I am sick of this rapture CRAP that is a lie from satan. So many fell for this idiot obama (A type) now your trying to get their soul? Think for yourself people, we are closer than you think , AND BLACKY’s just angry I rained on his parade a few days ago. READ AND THINK !!!
http://theseason.yolasite.com/
Report Post »Gold Coin & Economic News
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 3:40pmGuys, it’s not Revelations, it’s Revelation, there’s no “s” in the Revelation of John.
Report Post »me1234
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 4:02pmNot to be difficult, but it’s actually The Revelation of Jesus Christ.
Report Post »pickupyurcross
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 4:02pmActually, it’s the Revelation of Jesus Christ, which was given to John. “The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants – things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John.” Revelation 1:1
Report Post »Suzanne D
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 5:53pm@ Pickup: there’s really no need to be nit-picky … you have quoted the extended title of the prophecy. There is no true title to it, if you want to be accurate. The earliest writers simply referred to it as “John’s Revelation,“ or simply ”the Revelation.”
Report Post »jacobstroubles
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 3:34pmThe writer of the article/editor…has not read the Bible?
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If they had or did.. they would not have written the headline..
Chet Hempstead
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 3:33pmNah, Iranian politicians promising to wipe Israel off the map is like American politicians promising to cut wasteful government spending, it plays well with the yokels, but trying to actually do it would be bad politics.
Report Post »SpeckledPup
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 3:32pmif iran ever managed to nuke DC, it would be a blessing for America if it was fully occupied by the complete total entire obama adminstration at the time. we can always rebuild a gleaming Capital somewhere else. minus the late unlamented obamacommunists.
Report Post »americanfoodblister
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 3:48pmYou are a nutjob there Specklpoop.. Did You just advocate for a nuclear strike on our Capitol??? Whoever wrote the drivel in this story is a dupe. Funny how they make this nonsense up as they go along. Should be called gullible . Net..
Report Post »TOMSERVO
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 5:02pmThis is a new high water mark! Not only hoping for the death of Obama, but of everyone in Washington DC!
Congratulations, SpeckledPup, you are terrible person.
Report Post »SpeckledPup
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:10pmhahaha, yes, save our troops and just let iran deal with the entire obama administration, BABOOM, one nice clean surgical strike, if those bedsheeted iranian morons could handle it. and it’d all be over, no more filthy DC, no more anti-American dictator-wannabe administration destroying America, and America would be united against its proper enemy: iran.. not each other — like obama incites…… . let iran take out ALL the anti-American democrat obama-clinging morons too, right down to the very last vile anti-American commie among them.
oh Yes, what heavenly blessing it would be. sure DC would glow awhile, we can always build a new Capital somewhere else. Psalm 109.
Report Post »Moozmom
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 3:32pmYes, we are heading into the end times. I knew it in my soul when Obama was elected and then when the 2008 economic collapse occurred. We have strayed from our foundation in America, very, very badly. Through turning back to God individually and our Savior we will be saved. In the end, we will be “dead”, but risen. No one knows the exact date, but I feel that in 10 years time, the prophecies will have played out and there will be heaven on earth.
Report Post »momrules
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 3:52pmMoozmom……..me too and just look at what the last 3 1/2 years have brought us.
Report Post »blackyb
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 4:46pmChrist will reign for 1000 years and then the earth will be destroyed. We will then live in the New Jerusalem, in Heaven. That is the belief of many, some do not believe this thousand year reign on earth. That will not interefere with their salvation. I happen to believe in that hope that after Christ’s victory we will be with Christ in his reign on this earth for 1000 years. I do not understand how all this takes place, but if He made it, then He knows how to work it. That is alright with me which ever way it goes as long as I am with Him.
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 3:26pmI will take God‘s word over any man’s words…Armageddon is coming…The only thing YOU need to do..ask Jesus into your life…and you’re good to go :)
Report Post »jacobstroubles
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 3:32pmAmen!
Report Post »momrules
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 3:50pmYes,yes, yes
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 4:15pmPretty much.
Report Post »SpeckledPup
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 3:20pmthat rabid animal obama LOVES Iran and islam, and his righthand buttmassage valerie jarrett who actually controls him was also raised there. no doubts obama has big plans WITH Iran to obliterate Israel if he is re-elected in Nov.
one of our elderly WWII vets has also voiced something like this. if obama loses in Nov, by Dec America will plunged into a very real race war. we’ve seen how blacks react to anything they do not like: riots and fire and murders. if obama wins in Nov, America will be plunged into a civil war, because America knows it will be a false victory by total vote fraud.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 3:19pmRead “The Islamic Antichrist” by Joel Richardson. The Quoranic messiah is the Biblical antichrist.
Report Post »SpeckledPup
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 3:28pmtrue, John’s Revelations and the koran both have exact reversed messages; to islam, the vile anti-christ prophesied IS their messiah. it is as if that pedophile drug-addled serial-killer ”mohammed” deliberately perverted the Holy Bible in the 600s AD as his ”koran”, just to be the exact opposite of the Jews and Christians.. the koran‘s totally perverted and reversed for it’s own sake all the Goodness in the Bible. ——– Jews & Christians worship God’s goodness and light, knowing those of us ‘left behind’ will have to fight the most vile afflictions for an eternal life with Christ…. while islam waits for and worships their god of Death and Darkness and everything Vile destined to come.. that we know we will have to fight against.
one good thing, spoiler alert! you stupid muslims: WE Win.
Report Post »jacobstroubles
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 3:33pmthat is correct
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 3:45pmThat’s is absolutely false. Islam is not the anti-Christ. Does not fit Biblical description. Islam is the woes of Revelation.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 4:02pmExcellent book!
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 4:04pmOkie — I think what he’s saying is that the islamic messiah (mahdi) is the same person as the Christian anit-Christ, not that islam is the anti-Christ.
Report Post »Suzanne D
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 4:25pmSorry, I’m not buying it. Daniel told us the antichrist doesn’t worship any god except himself. How can he be a muslim if he is irreligious?
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 4:25pmI actually believe that the anit-christ will put an end to radical Islam and cause them to sign a 7 year peace agreement with Israel (See daniel chp 9) and that is why the world will be so willing to follow him.
The Shiites belive Issa (Jesus) will come back and lead a war against Israel and when that is finished, he will die a martyr and the 13th Imam will reign supreme.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 4:35pm@Elena-You are right, that’s what he is saying but that is incorrect.
Do you really believe a “Mahdi” is going to come out from under a rock first of all?
Secondly, biblical description of the “anti-Christ” does not match up to Islam or the 12th Mahdi.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 4:47pm@Squid
There is no 7 year tribulation. Daniels 70 weeks are fulfilled thus we have Jesus (anointed Messiah) who is Lord and Gentiles are able to be saved.
The last week was 7 years, beginning with Christ’s baptism, crucified 3 1/2 years later and concluded with stoning of Stephan which right after Gentiles were preached to cause Jews stopped their ears.
If you want more evidence I can provide.
@okiemuskogee33 on twitter
Report Post »Suzanne D
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 4:57pm@ Oakiefrommuskogee: if there is no seven year tribulation, then why did all of the students of the Apostles’ who wrote on the subject indicate that there IS such a time coming up? Stop reading the words of men who have agendas and go back to true study. The Apostles taught it, you should believe it: there WILL be a seven year Tribulation.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 5:11pm@Suzzane
Please provide verses of Apostles stating SEVEN years of tribulation. You cannot. So you owe me an apology. They spoke of tribulations not 7 year tribulation. Get your facts straight!
You are in tribulation now as a follower of Christ and it will only get worse.
I can show the“ idea” of 7 years tribulation, based off last week of Daniels 70, as false.
Report Post »Suzanne D
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 5:37pm@ Oakie: you are purposefully obfuscating the issue. The Apostles taught Biblical exegesis to their students and charged them to pass these teachings on to their students. We know who these men studied under and that many of them died martyr’s deaths because of their teachings and beliefs. If you choose to ignore this INCREDIBLY VALUABLE source of information and instead study under someone who has never sat at the feet of the Apostles, then I wish you well but you are ignorant in the classic sense of the word.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 5:46pm@Suzzane
I take it you concede the point the Apostles NEVER wrote or taught SEVEN years of tribulation and that 7 years of tribulation is simply a guess better know as a theory. A theory that can be disproved upon understanding Daniels 70 weeks as taught by the APOSTLES and CHRIST!
Do not attempt to chastise me because you are afraid to let go of your worldly man made “theories”. You choose to be ignorant out of pride and arrogance and it’s destroying you. Stop.
Report Post »Suzanne D
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 5:59pm@ Oakie: I **WILL** chastise you, because you are trying to teach untruth. Yeshua’s Olivet Discourse is an overview of the entirety of end times scripture contained within the Old Testament. The fact that Yeshua never specifically said “seven years” DOES NOT preclude the fact that the prophet Daniel stated there would be a seven-year period of Tribulation. Yeshua knew His students had read these prophesies, so why reiterate what was, in His view, not worthy of emphasis? The FACT, which you cannot contradict, is that Daniel’s final “week” MUST BE seven years, since to make it mean anything else would prevent one from reaching the conclusion that Yeshua was born exactly when the prophet states He would be. YOU CANNOT CONTRADICT THIS. So yes, I can and will chastise you … you are simply wrong.
Report Post »Suzanne D
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:11pm@ Oakie: p.s. — the Revelation specifically states that the tribulation will last seven years. Or do you not believe the Apostle John’s word?
Report Post »SpeckledPup
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:15pmwell, now we all must read the series of LEFT BEHIND books, all over again, to get everything explained, again.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:45pm@Suzzane
You chastise yourself and do not even realize it.
What was the whole point of Daniel’s 70 weeks?
Simply because Daniel’s last week is “7” years is your evidence? You do know how foolish that sounds?!
Who did Jesus warn about “seeing abomination of desolation”? Did that event occur? YES. The ones who believed fled early, the ones who didn’t stayed and were slaughtered by the people of the Prince of the North.
Your false teaching of Daniel diminishes Christ’s purpose.
You are wrong and God’s Word will prove it. More posts coming.
Please post verse in Revelations saying 7 years. It doesn’t. Lie #2.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:53pm@Suzzane
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. (Daniel 9:24 KJV)
70 weeks to bring in everlasting righteousness, end sin, anoint most high… Do you believe Jesus fills all these? Yes or no?
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:55pmKnow therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. (Daniel 9:25 KJV)
Report Post »Duration: 7, 62 = 69
Start: decree to restore Temple
End: Messiah Prince begins (Anointed, baptized by John the Baptist. )
Okie from Muskogee
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 7:01pm@Suzzane
And AFTER threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. (Daniel 9:26 KJV)
When: After the 62, which is after the first 7. Thus after the 69th week, somewhere in the 70th.
What: Messiah is cut off for us, not himself
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Point to the number AFTER 62 upon which it says Messiah is cut off! The LAST week.
Gonzo
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 7:03pmTalk about hijacking a thread.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 7:07pm@Suzzanne
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. (Daniel 9:27 KJV)
Jesus was crucified after 3 passovers from His baptism. (Midweek). Jesus ended the sacrifice, He was the final one. Stephan was stoned after 3 passovers from Crucifixion and Gentiles were preached to. Final week (7 years) completed.
Jesus ends sin thru belief in Him. His is the most High. He is everlasting righteousness.
Stop diminishing Jesus Christ and the Word of God.
Report Post »Suzanne D
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 7:36pm@ Oakie: you can’t even spell my name correctly, so why should I go to the trouble of instructing you in your error? Yeshua taught it; the Apostles taught it; their students taught it … but suddenly, YOUR interpretation is that they taught it imperfectly? You are a false teacher and I do honestly pray that no one pays any attention to your lies.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 8:05pm@Suzanne
Again, Suzanne, you mock yourself. Okie, not Oakie as you have written in error first, every time. (How embarrassing for you)
Of course you offer nothing as proof like I don’t know, the BIBLE, but I sure did and you cannot refute it because you aren’t confident enough to do so because you are wrong and simply parroting what you hear.
None of who you say taught a “7 year tribulation”. Not a one and you are lying in Gods name each time you insist your lie is true. You are fulfilling wolf in sheep’s clothing.
Turn the parrot off and open your eyes. Stop diminishing Jesus and the Word of God.
Report Post »hard.right
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 9:06pmokie, you are not going to get anywhere w/ these people. tribulation and dispensationalists are gonna go to their grave believing their interpretation of daniel. simple fact is that none of that garbage is gonna happen, no matter how much they study it or attempt to predict it. jesus is coming back, we don’t know when, when it does, it’s all over. some go with him, others do not. end of the world. it’s simple. scripture was not meant to be difficult and the people that are making it so are just to caught up in predictions and mystical christianity. its too bad really. the reformed faith folks figured it out, but thats not good enough for christians, they have to make it cool and give everybody a second chance, multiple returnings of jesus, etc. well folks, your second chance is NOW and for the last 2000 or so years, best take it.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 9:23pmAppreciate you much @Hard.Right. Good post.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 3:19pmI have also wondered this very thing but not limited to Iran. The global elites, including Soros, Putin, Obama, the Muslim Brotherhood, et al, seem to know Biblical prophecy and are trying to set the world stage for it. Only God knows the hour. It wouldn’t surprise me at all that earthly powers are trying to make it look like the time is nigh. Manipulation, disinformation and controlling the masses is their specialty.
Report Post »Lando
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 3:14pmduh
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