Are Jesus Christ‘s Views ’Liberal‘ or ’Conservative?’
- Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:15pm by
Billy Hallowell
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It’s tough these days to get liberal and conservative Christians to agree on anything. But a new study has found one consistency – both left-leaning and right-leaning believers admit that Jesus wouldn’t definitively agree with their views on social issues.
Conservatives, in fact, believe Jesus would be even more opposed to abortion and gay marriage than they are. Additionally, they contend that he would be less disagreeable to helping illegal immigrants gain citizenship. Surprising? It gets better. In contrast, liberals believe Jesus would be tougher than they are when it comes to moral issues and more open regarding fellowship.
“Liberal Christians tend to believe that Jesus is more conservative than they are on moral issues, while conservative Christians believe he is more liberal,” writes Randy Dotinga of HealthDay News. “Liberal and conservative Christians also tend to believe that the matters most important to Jesus are the same ones most important to them,” he continues.
“Liberals are conceding that they’re deviating from Jesus on their views on moral issues and conservatives are conceding that they are deviating from Jesus on fellowship issues,” said Lee Ross, the study’s lead author and a professor at Stanford University in California. “They differed almost as much in Jesus’s views as their own.”
“There is a reality that conservatives are more religious than liberals. It’s more important for them to reconcile their views with their religion,” Ross continued.
It’s interesting to note, as well, that the Old Testament, which researchers see as more “morality-focused” and the New Testament, which is deemed “compassion-focused” offered different challenges to the two groups. Conservatives essentially struggle with personal belief discrepancies that they see in the four gospels, while liberals struggle more with rectifying the rules of the Old Testament, according to Ross.
The end result of the study, which included responses from 787 self-identified Christians, is that people sometimes separate their political and religious views. The results, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences on Monday, asked respondents to use a 100-point scale ranging from liberal to conservative to gauge Jesus’ views on a variety of issues. Dotinga further explains the methodology:
The study authors gave an online survey to 1,256 people who offered to take part in such surveys in return for a donation to a charity of their choice and a chance to win $100. The researchers focused on 787 people who said they were Christian, but removed those who were in the middle between liberal and conservative or thought Fox News was more liberal than CNN.
The researchers compiled the answers of the remaining 474 liberal and conservative Christians on their personal views and the views they think Jesus has on issues of “fellowship” — caring for the poor and helping illegal immigrants gain citizenship and assistance — and on morality — abortion and gay marriage.
Some, like Shaun Casey, who is a professor of Christian ethics at Wesley Theological Seminary in Washington, D.C. and who advised the 2008 Obama campaign, took issue with the study’s definition of Christians as either conservative or liberal. He claims many Christians are both (Casey recently took some heat for saying that he’s glad American civil religion is dying).
Either way, the study provides an interesting lens into the views that Christians hold as well as how strongly these ideals are predicated upon Biblical teaching.
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Free2speakRN
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:54pmJesus Christ has the Hypo-Static Union, in that He is True God ‘And’ True Man. He cannot be separated. You destroy His essense and existance.
America is the only nation to ever be formed on a ‘Creed’.–GK Chesterton. A Christian Creed. Narrow it simply to the ‘Golden Rule’, or take the whole Nicene Creed, and where it says Catholic, it means ”’ALL”’ Christians, being the One Body of Christ.
To separate America’s Judea-Christian “values”, is to separate Jesus Christ, God and Man. A divided house won’t stand. Even if you are an athiest, don’t murder, don’t lie, don’t steal. Keep the rest as Strong recommendations.
If the Christian principles of this country fall, it will cease to exist.–Thomas Jefferson
‘God and man’, God and we on earth, cannot be separated.
Report Post »NoRoomForSocialismHere
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:12pmSin will seperate you from God/Jesus. You make the choice…
Report Post »DavidZion
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:19pm@noroom your just mis informed
Romans 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Report Post »39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
rangerp
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:21pmYou cannot place the views of Jesus in manmade boxes labeled conservative or liberal.
Jesus was and is God. His “views” are not on our level. He is the Word. His words are the words of God.
If you read the Bible and study it, you can know the mind of God.
When we look at issues that separate conservative from liberal, it is pretty easy to see that liberal ideology is anti-Bible, and anti-God. From capital punishment, to abortion, to homosexuality, to rearing of children, to welfare, to feminism…… liberals are always siding with humanism, evolution, and evil (if it feels good, do it).
Report Post »encinom
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:24pmWE ARE A SECULAR NATION, REASON AND ENLIGHTENMENT ARE ARE ROOTS, NoT 2,000 MYTHS.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:26pmAnd Yet Ranger-Dan, the typical COnservative lives with in the Old Testament, forgeting the compasison of the New. The Sermon on the Mound, Christs teachings about give aid to the poor and sick runs counter to the greed based cult of Ayn Rand that the Conservative and Tea Party has become.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:35pmencinom
you are a typical liberal, in that you want to spout a little Bible, but you do not believe it, you call it a fairy tale.
I believe it from cover to cover, old and new testament. We are now under grace, not under the law.
Please find me the verse where Jesue advocated welfare? He did not say for us to give to uncle same, so uncle sam can feed the poor. We (the church) are to take care of the poor.
2 Thes 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:40pmENCIMOM
Oh yea, it is the Sermon on the Mount, not the mound (that is where pitchers throw from).
Find a Bible, turn to Matthew chapters 5,6,and 7, and come back and show me any anything backing up typical liberal ideology, to include abortion, food stamps, Rock Music, evolution, homosexuality, gov healthcare…..
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:41pm“And Yet Ranger-Dan, the typical COnservative lives with in the Old Testament, forgeting the compasison of the New. The Sermon on the Mound, Christs teachings about give aid to the poor and sick runs counter to the greed based cult of Ayn Rand that the Conservative and Tea Party has become.”
you libs are just amazingly stupid….Jesus NEVER told the government to set up a welfare state….
those teachings are for INDIVIDUALS, not government action…..get a clue…
the only myth is your racist atheist fairy tale known as evolution….
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:02pmencinom
I think you also need to re-study the Tea Party.
the tea party is about sticking to our constitution and having a balanced budget. Kind of a dummy proof idea that you can not continue to spend more than you make, and if you continue to punish those that work, and reward the lazy, sooner or later you will go broke, and the lazy will outnumber the workers. has nothing to do with greed, it is all about common sense and logic.
Check out the food stamp program with Pres Obama at the helm. We now have 46 million getting the hand out. Do you believe we can sustain this? It creates more people on the system, until the system destroys the nation.
Report Post »maccow
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:13pmThe trick isn‘t to see if Jesus’ teachings conform to my political or world views, but rather confirming my heart, mind, soul, and strength to who He is. I can either try and force Him into my little insignificant box, or I can force myself into His eternally huge box.
Report Post »Jesus could probably care less about my worldly affiliations, political, religious, or professional, but He certainly does care about whether I place Him and His will for my life first in all things. If I do the later, seek first His kingdom, He will make sure that the things of the world fall into their rightful place for me.
To my thinking, these kind of stories are pointless.
PubliusPencilman
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:14pm“2 Thes 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.”
I think you are on to something there Ranger. As I recall, the very next verse says:
“And what I mean by that is even if they ‘would’ work when given a chance, but are subject to any number of problems or disadvantages (lack of education, disabilities, labor imbalances in the global economy, etc.) You should not have them eat either. And by eat, I mean any form of social assistance, including health care or social security. In fact, you should probably not provide any of these forms of assistance to anyone rather than risk the chance of accidently offering help to someone who ‘would not’ work given the chance. It’s better to be safe than unreasonably charitable, you know. Also, it‘s perfectly fine if you want own a restaurant that denies service to people that don’t speak English well.”
I think all of that was in there, right Ranger?
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:17pm@Ranger If you believed the old testament you should also know that worship of Christ is a violation of the 2nd commandment as it is stated in the unabridged Hebrew. Jesus’s way is essentially jewish but even if hypothetically Jesus was god, you don’t worship jesus! you worship god! That is what god said!
“Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God…”
Did not moses bring salvation? Why is moses not worshiped like Jesus? Oh cause he didn‘t say he’s god. All you gotta do is be wise and say your god and follow like sheep eh? then go eat pork, and massacre jews.
If you keep violating the second commandment like that… straight to hell!
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:28pmPencilMan
I think you read it wrong. See following verses below
11For we hear that there are some which walkamong you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies . 12Now them that are such we commandand exhortby our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work , and eat their own bread.13But ye, brethren, benot weary in well doing . 14And if any man obeynot our word by this epistle, notethat man, and haveno company withhim, that he may be ashamed .
It is one thing for the church to help those in need. It is completely different when the gov takes money from the hard working, and gives to those who do not work, then those who do not work breed like rats, and create more on the handout. If you do not see this happening, then how did we end up with 46 million on foodstamps. is this what the founding fathers had in mind?
go to the closest set of projects in your area, and tell me that welfare is working. see the unwed young mothers, the drugs, the crime, the kids with no fathers, the violence, the abortions….. and tell me that welfare is helping these people.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:31pmCesium
You my friend are confused. You might want to sit down, and actually read the Bible.
Jesus was foretold throughout the Old testament.
Gen 3:15 (The first prophecy in the Bible, Jesus was to be that seed of the woman)
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. (KJV)
Gen 22:18 (Jesus was the promised seed of Abraham)
18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice. (KJV)
Gen 26:4 (In Jesus, the seed of Abraham through Isaac, the whole world is blessed)
4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; (KJV)
Gen 49:10 (The sceptre [scepter] denotes King, Shiloh means Peace; Jesus is the King of Peace)
10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be. (KJV)
Num 21:6-9 (This was a ‘type’ of Jesus Christ, see [John 3:12-16])
Report Post »6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
7 Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD, and against thee; pray unto the LORD, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people.
8 And the LORD said unto Mose
maccow
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:32pmI worry about those who are so quick to lift up Jesus’ “TEACHINGS”, and yet never lift Him up as their savior. Christ raised up an impossible standard for us to strive for, case in point the Sermon on the Mount ends, “Be ye perfect as My Father is perfect”, thus creating an impossible gap between man and God that no efforts of our own could bridge. Then Christ became that bridge for us. The Commandments, Old and New are there as a basic standard for living, but they also serve to show us our need for a savior.
Report Post »What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet (Romans 7:7)
because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin. (Romans 3:20)
But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. (Galatians 3:22)
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, (Romans 3:23)
Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed [is] everyone who hangs on a tree”(Galatians 3:13)
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the [life] which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. (Galatians 2:20)
rangerp
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:32pmPs 132:11 (Jesus, the descendant of David would sit on the Heavenly Throne)
11 The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne. (KJV)
Isa 7:14 (Immanuel in Hebrew means: ‘God with us’. Jesus Christ (Jehoshua Christos) means: ‘God Savior’, The Anointed One. These titles are in two different languages but are the same thing. Jesus is Immanuel – God with us. Below this Scripture we supply the fulfillment of it with Jesus Christ.)
14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. (KJV)
Matt 1:21 (self explanatory)
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. (KJV)
Luke 1:30-35 (self explanatory)
Report Post »30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also t
RagingJudge
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:32pmPublius, forced charity is not charity at all, it’s called theft. Judeo-Christian values require us to be charitable and helpful to others. Having money stolen from you and given to others is not fulfilling this requirement. The Lord wants us to have a giving heart, and taxpayer-funded welfare and entitlements only cause resentment for the recipients among those of us who are being taxed. The money we pay in taxes would be much more efficiently and effectively used if given to an actual charity, and we would be better people for doing it. Less of the assistance would go to those who “will not work”, and more will go to those who are trying to become self-reliant. I, for one, would love to take any decrease in my taxes and turn it into charitable contributions, without even being forced to do so. Instead it goes to government waste and corruption, and I have less to give to charity because I have to feed myself first. On top of all this, try reading about the concept of “bread of shame”. People will resent what they have been given without earning it.
As far as denying service to customers… that‘s the business’s choice. If they want to slash their profits for something as stupid as a language barrier or difference in race, that’s their problem. It’s their loss.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:34pmEzek 37:24-25 (Jesus’ ancestors being used to refer to Him. Only Jesus reigns eternally, this did not Jacob and David do. They died. Jesus died, resurrected and sits at the right (the power hand) hand of God on the throne. This Is not so of Jacob or David)
24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children’s children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever. (KJV)
Dan 9:24-26
This is probably one of the more powerful witnesses that Jesus Christ was in fact The Messiah. This prophesies the exact year of Jesus Christ’s crucifixion (who would not even be born for another four hundred and some odd years from the time of this writing).
Below, each week is seven years. In verse 25 you have seven weeks [seven sevens = 49 years] and three score and two weeks [62 weeks is 62 sevens = 434 years].
So you have: “that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem” till : “shall Messiah be cut off” , is 69 weeks [69 sevens] = 483 years. The command to restore the Temple was given in 454 B.C. [Neh 2:1 &2:18].
Therefore, from the command to restore the Temple in 454 B.C. to the crucifixion of the Messiah in A.D. 29 you h
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:35pmZech 6:12-13 (self explanatory, Jesus is the BRANCH)
12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:
13 Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both. (KJV)
Zech 9:9 (The first Advent of Christ, fulfilled in [John 12:15-16] below)
9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass. (KJV)
John 12:15-16 (Jesus fulfills the prophecy)
15 Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass’s colt.
16 These things understood not his disciples at the first: but when Jesus was glorified, then remembered they that these things were written of him, and that they had done these things unto him. (KJV)
Zech 9:10 (The second Advent of Christ yet to be fulfilled, see [Rev19:11-16])
10 And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth. (KJV)
Zech 12:8-10 (Second Advent, see [Rev 1:7-8])
Report Post »8 In that day
rangerp
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:35pmMal 3:1-4 (John the Baptist, in the spirit of Elijah, came before Jesus, see [Luke 1:13-17 & Luke 3:15-17])
1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner’s fire, and like fullers’ soap:
3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.
4 Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the LORD, as in the days of old, and as in former years. (KJV)
Mal 4:2-6 (Jesus is the Sun of Righteousness, the Bright and Morning Star*, the Star of David)
Report Post »2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
6 And he shall turn the heart of the fat
DogTags
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:41pmLiberal theology is nothing more than secular humanism in religious terms.- Francis Schaeffer. No matter what issue (whether involving “fellowship” or morality issues) the liberal theologian will inevitiably side with the secular humanist.
On homosexual “marriage” the secular humanist supports it, so does the liberal theologian. On social welfare, secular humanism believes it‘s government’s responsibility to take care of the poor by stealing the wealth of the productive. Liberals theologians do too.
As all of the New Testament is the inspired Word of God, Jesus says “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.” I Timothy 5:8. Welfare begins in your own house, not from some government program where the resources were stolen from “the rich.”
Jesus requires us to be subject to the lawful laws over us. As nations have the authority from God to control their borders, outsiders must obey those laws. Immigration laws are lawful. Encouraging lawbreakers is sinful, therefore helping illegals break the law is immoral.
From the article: “There is a reality that conservatives are more religious than liberals. It’s more important for them to reconcile their views with their religion.” Because I believe the political realm belongs to Jesus, my political views must fall in line with his teaching. The teachings of Jesus compel me to a more conservative political view.
Report Post »turkey13
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:41pmJesus said “if a man doesn‘t work he won’t eat”! If a man is sick he should be fed by his fellow man – not the Government. If he has no clothing you should cloth him – not the government.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:42pmrangerp
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:02pm
encinom
I think you also need to re-study the Tea Party.
the tea party is about sticking to our constitution and having a balanced budget. Kind of a dummy proof idea that you can not continue to spend more than you make, and if you continue to punish those that work, and reward the lazy, sooner or later you will go broke, and the lazy will outnumber the workers. has nothing to do with greed, it is all about common sense and logic.
Report Post »_______________________
Still preaching Ayn Rands’ debunked gospel of greed, punishing the poor to benefit the rich. Every time a Conservative says Balance the Budget, what he means is reducing taxes on the 1% while cutting service and increasing the taxes on the poor, working and middle classes. Nor is the Tea Party about following the Constitution, it is about following its interpetation of the Constitution, regardless of whether or not its correct. It is about following a glorified version of the Founders divorced from reality, with assumption that they spoke with a single voice. It is the deranged belief of handcuffing a Twenty-First Century world to an Eighteenth Century understanding.
mario
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:47pmWell said.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:52pm@ENCINOM
“Every time a Conservative says Balance the Budget, what he means is reducing taxes on the 1% while cutting service and increasing the taxes on the poor”
Nope, not at all. I want to reduce taxes across the board. If we get rid of welfare, foodstamps, department of education, EPA, and a whole lot of other money eating organizations, we can drill our own oil, let business flourish, keep the Mexicans in Mexico, and let those in this country that want to eat, go get a job. if they do not like it heare, let them go to Europe, Africa, Middle east….. and see how they fair
Report Post »maccow
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:53pm@Ranger
Report Post »I wouldn’t get too worked up by cesium, he is just demonstrating how any verse pulled out from the support of the full council of God, will quickly become false doctrine and is no foundation at all.
Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man… (Romans 1:22-23)
Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. (1 Corinthians 1:25)
But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned. (1 Corinthians 2:14)
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, “He catches the wise in their [own] craftiness (1 Corinthians 3:19)
If you want a great Old Testament dissertation on where true wisdom is to be found, verses foolishness, you can’t beat the First of the Proverbs.
rush_is_right
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:55pm“@Ranger If you believed the old testament you should also know that worship of Christ is a violation of the 2nd commandment as it is stated in the unabridged Hebrew. Jesus’s way is essentially jewish but even if hypothetically Jesus was god,”
really? ever read Isaiah?
6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the greatness of his government and peace
there will be no end.
He will reign on David’s throne
and over his kingdom,
who do you think that is?? hmm???
even the Shema supports the trinity…
Deut 6: 4 The Jewish Shema “ Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [is] one LORD”
Hear , O Israel Yehovah our ‘elohiym is ‘echad Yehovah
The word ECHAD is a compound unity . That is a noun which demonstrates oneness of unity
http://ucministries.wordpress.com/2011/03/04/what-has-the-shema-got-to-do-with-the-trinity/
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 4:00pm@ranger Oh my friend, I am not confused and neither is the entire population of Jews who agree with me. You say Jesus was foretold in the Torah and then you quote on and on from KJV. Do you even own a Torah? Do you even know the definition of the Messiah and why Jesus is not a messiah.? How can god be the messiah? you people are nonsensical.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 4:18pm“How can god be the messiah?”
you don‘t know you’re own scripture at all….
Isaiah 43:
11 I, even I, am the LORD,
and apart from me there is no savior.
the Lord is the Savior…Jesus is the Savior…
Report Post »encinom
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 4:25pm@Ranger Dan,
Typical Tea Party wet dreams, I take after the Bible, therer is little you actually read, nor are you a student of history (or science from your view on the creation myth versus evolution). Love Canal ring a bell? Sinclair’s Jungle? The market can not regulate itself history is full of examples of this basic fact. The problems today stem from not enough regualtions and enforcment.Cutting agencies and gutting enforcemnet does not help Americans, it will not return jobs to American shores, these are lies fools like yourself have been sold.
Report Post »jb.kibs
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 4:31pmJesus is an individual who knows everyone has the power to provide for themselves and their families because they are all children of God.
Report Post »i think he would be non-authortarian most likely, he was one to lead by example, not by force…
binge_thinker
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 5:15pmThe late Francis Schaeffer said in A Christian Manifesto that liberal theology is nothing more than secular humanism in religious terms. No matter what the issue, the liberal theologian will ALWAYS come down on the side of the secular humanist. Whether it be abortion, same-sex “marriage,” social welfare, the environment, Occupy Wall Street, sexual promiscuity, the liberal theologian will follow secular humanism rather than the Bible. Therefore, liberal theology is a dangerous and divisive cult that Jesus never would’ve approved of.
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 5:46pmRagingJudge,
The fact that you start this whole tirade by asserting that taxes are stealing really doesn’t help your case any. Try being less hysterical. Also, quit the silly this or that causes resentment argument–it’s nothing but self-serving speculation. How about you just not resent people for being on welfare, and in terms of shame, stop forwarding a opinion that they should be ashamed. See! Resentment problem solved.
Overall, what you have here is an incredibly naive set of assumptions about how things would turn out if there were no social support in a modern industrial economy. You tell me–has this model ever been successful anywhere? Has this ever actually happened, or are you just spouting pie-in-the-sky nonsense. Oh, and feel free to make a tax deductable charitable donation anytime you like–no one is stoping you.
Ranger,
And the projects would be better without any social support? How about you go by the projects and tell me where those people would go and what they would do if there were no support for them. You tell me if you think violent crime would continue to decline, as it has steadily since 1993. Better yet, go take a casual stroll in any third-world shanty-town. You tell me how better off everyone is without social support.
Report Post »PaxInVeritate
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 6:04pmWe are but infants before The Lord. For, “[8] “For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the LORD.
Report Post »[9] “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts.”
Isaiah 55:8-9
To assume that we can understand the absolutely perfect objective Truth in It’s fullness in our fallen nature is absurd. Even St. Thomas Aquinas recognized this in the end. Jesus The Christ surpasses anything we may think we know of Him.
rush_is_right
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 6:13pm“The market can not regulate itself history is full of examples of this basic fact. The problems today stem from not enough regualtions and enforcment.Cutting agencies and gutting enforcemnet does not help Americans, it will not return jobs to American shores, these are lies fools like yourself have been sold.”
obviously markets are self-regulating….the government, your savior, caused the latest financial crash, just as it caused the great depression…and your god FDR’s policies prolonged and worsened the great depression….
Markets work every time they’re tried…look at LASIK surgery…the cost has dropped quite a bit, and the quality has gone up….no government, no insurance…just the market.
and countries that have the most regulation, the most government, are the most polluted…see china, and the soviet union..
you are so brain-dead…how can anyone post the idiotic drivel you do?
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 6:24pm@PencilMan
“How about you go by the projects and tell me where those people would go and what they would do if there were no support for them.”
That is such an easy question to answer. They would be out working and making a living. When Tomika finds out that laying up with baggy pants Tyrone (the no job having, rap music listening to, gangster thug) is no longer lucrative, she will cease to be with him. When Tyrone finds out he no longer can just hang with Tomika, Shamika, Lakisha, and all his other babies mommas, and when there is no food stamps to use, he will get a job. He can pick fruit, chop tobacco, pound nails, mow grass, and all those other jobs that the tens of thousands of Mexicans are currently doing. If littie Jamal sees Tyrone having to bust his hump just to get by, he may crack the books at school, and lay off the getting jiggy with it, and get a real education, and a higher paying job.
Same goes for Claudete and Bubba in the trailor park. When we stop paying people for being fat, stupid, lazy, drunk, stoned…. perhaps they will stop being all of those things. Those that do not want to work, can starve, and stop producing like rabitts. No where in our constitution are we promised a free ride to lazy hood.
Next question?
Report Post »Kisha
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 6:56pmJesus wants us to learn from our mistakes / sin.
He never put a gun to anyone’s head and said… Follow me or die. No that is Satan’s vision!
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 7:01pm@encino
Report Post »Sill Rabbit this is a Christian Nation by of Virtue the Majority of its citizens call themselves Christian….. Our Government is Secular.
PubliusPencilman
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 7:02pmRush,
LASIK surgery? Ha! That’s your example of a great market victory? I think you are ignoring the fact that, like every other aspect of the medical profession, LASIK surgery is heavily regulated.
First of all, you have to be a qualified physician to perform it. If you are not, you can be shut down by the government. Essentially, the government itself ensures the qualifications of the physician.
Second, the procedure and all the equipment (especially the lasers!) have been thoroughly tested and approved by the FDA.
Third, patients themselves are fully protected by laws including malpractice to ensure the quality of care and the guard against unnecessary harm.
LASIK itself may continue to improve and prices may continue to go down, but the procedure from day-one has been subject to many many regulations that have ensured that patients are not taken advantage of. If you disagree, feel free to go and get eye surgery in a country that does not properly regulate its medical profession. Good luck!
Report Post »encinom
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 7:10pm@rush_is_right
The Markets gave us the robber barrons, child labor, unsafe working conditions, unsafe food and drugs, body parts in sausage. It was only after the US Congress created agencies such as the FDA did things change. Love Channal is a product of the Market and letting the foxes guard the hen houses. The Great Depression, again the market with no oversight allowed the system to be abused to such a point as to lead to its crash.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 8:21pmEcclesiastes 10:2
Report Post »The heart of the wise
inclines to the right,
but the heart of the fool
to the left.
Unix
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 9:14pmJesus was not only a conservative, he was also a capitalist. He preached INDIVIDUAL SALVATION and the parable of the tenants. But liberal communists dont read the bible, they just spit on it, to bad for them, an eternal bath in hell awaits them.
Report Post »Unix
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 9:16pmBTW, anyone who votes for a Demoncrap, votes for infantacide, simply put, they vote for the murder of children. Anyone who could do that does not know Jesus Christ or the Bible at all.
Report Post »Komponist-ZAH
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 9:35pmPubli—
“The fact that you start this whole tirade by asserting that taxes are stealing really doesn’t help your case any.”
Let’s see…
Theft–the forcible confiscation of someone else’s property by an individual or group or individuals
Taxation–the forcible confiscation of someone else’s property by government
Such a difference…
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Encinom—
“The Markets gave us the robber barrons, child labor, unsafe working conditions, unsafe food and drugs, body parts in sausage.”
You really are economically ignorant aren’t you? Can you please tell me why any entrepreneur would a) have unsafe working conditions or b) sell unsafe food and drugs? How could he a) get anybody to make his products or b) sell any of his products?
Do you really think everyone else is as stupid as you?
Report Post »Unix
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 9:46pmThe encino hump speaks so it must be the truth LOL…it never ceases to amaze me, the ignorance and pure lack of intelligence that spews from that keyboard. Feeding the hungry and caring for the sick is a good thing my dear, if it comes from the heart, and is not MANDATED by you communists. Take to heart tho, you will join Lucifer soon enough. tata for now dear it.
Report Post »Unix
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 9:56pm@Cesium
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:17pm
@Ranger If you believed the old testament you should also know that worship of Christ is a violation of the 2nd commandment as it is stated in the unabridged Hebrew. Jesus’s way is essentially jewish but even if hypothetically Jesus was god, you don’t worship jesus! you worship god! That is what god said!
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LOL, a liberal mind is a terrible twisted thing…to all you tolls on here…
Only through me [Jesus Christ], shall you enter into Heaven…does that mean anything at all to you morons?
As to you public pencil neck – you have no clue either. You just contradicted yourself out of an argument. Problems and disadvantages he was speaking about was physical in nature, you know being crippled, blind, deseased, retarded and so on…get a grip on reality peanut. All folks who can work should work.
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 12:28am@joe1234 The Jewish Messiah is to be a mortal human being born to two mortal parents. He is neither to be a god, nor a man born of supernatural or virgin birth. There is nothing in the Bible that states that the Messiah would be a god or God-like, or that he would be born to a virgin. The concept of the former contradicts the Jewish concept of God being above and beyond taking human form and limitations. Jews believe that only God should be worshipped, not a being of His creation, not even the Messiah himself. Besides, nowhere in the Bible is there any virgins giving birth. This idea is only found in pagan mythology, where virgins often bare offsping of gods. The only purpose of the concept of virgin birth is to attract pagans to Christianity.
http://www.angelfire.com/ri2/gideonbernstein/
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 12:31am@Unix Means absolutely nothing to me. I was raised Jewish. quote quote quote from the new testament all you want. Means 0
Report Post »LibertarianRight
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 4:34amAmerica follows the “Golden Rule”. Except when it doesn’t by telling other countries what to do and preemptively attacking them. Or stealing from certain groups of people to give to other groups – and legitimizing this blatant theft of income as “another kind of taxation” which is okay because “we voted on it”.
And, of course, as a nation we ignore the Biblical warning that a “borrower is servant to the lender” (Proverbs 22:7) and are NOT careful about how much we go in to debt and why.
Report Post »Unix
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 8:30am@cesium – of course Jesus means nothing to you, He meant nothing to your forefathers either, they put him to death for fear and jealousy. I love all peoples, but I hate all sins. If it were not for the Jewish leaders of the time, we would have no salvation, no blood would have been spilled to save us all. I wonder why you continue to turn your backs on Jesus our Christ, when he lived, breathed and performed miracles. He spoke to all of us, and gave us his Word, yet you disbelieve him and all of your own prophets from the OT…it never ceaces to amaze me how you can shun the truth that is in plain sight? You do still have time to believe, I suggest you dig deep into your heart and ask OUR GOD for insight, he will give it to you if you would just listen. God Bless you all…and may the Holy Spirit enter your hearts, Jesus will return, but next time with a sword, to smite the wicked and unclean.
Report Post »Unix
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 8:40amOne last thing, we Gentiles will always be on the side of God’s chosen people, the Jewish. No matter how strained the relationship gets, no matter who thinks they are right or wrong, we will always defend and come to aid the Jewish people. Not that they need our help, no, they are perfectly able to defend themselves, but out of love and friendship and a common link – Jesus our Christ. I will stand firmly with Israel, not matter what, until the end. A promise.
Report Post »Wolf
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:14am@ RangerP- stop throwing pearls before swine- you’re just wasting wisdom.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 10:53amAh ENCINOM still at it? Peddling your socialistic “gospel” that is responsible for the crisis the EU finds itself in right now. Always chasing your tail trying to undo and twist the facts about socialism and all its numerous proven failures one society/nation after another. Your comical comments always bring me a good laugh. Thanks for just being you no matter how misguided you are. And you are extremely misguided!
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 11:26am@UNIX I accept Jesus as a wise historical figure. Don’t know for sure if he existed for real or not. Doesn’t mean the claimed miracles actually happened. Just so convenient back then before recording devices that one could defy physical law with witnesses but now that we live in the age we do and just can’t seem to find that you tube video of those who claim “messaiah” to also walk on water or convert water into fermented grape juice in one fell swoop. The one thing I will credit christianity for is the warped view of what you guys invented as “satanic.” Makes for some really great cinema…
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 12:48pm@ CESIUM…..I realize I am not a part of your comments with another. However, you may want to consider your own words. “I am not sure if Jesus really existed or not”. You might do well to investigate that question before passing judgments upon things without having examined all the evidence. The 3 major areas you need to examine is the bibliographical evidence of those who claim to be eyewitnesses, also the internal evidence tests and the external evidence tests. There is a mountain of evidence to study and I find many on both sides of the aisle are ignorant of the evidence that exists and base most of their comments on preconceived prejudices typically steeped in the traditions of their upbringing. Hope you consider this line of reason………
There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all argument, and which cannot fail to keep man in everlasting ignorance. That principle is condemnation before investigation………..
Edmund Spencer
Report Post »yohannbiimu
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 2:13pmEncinom, this story is about Jesus, and whether his doctrine would be considered “conservative” (based upon freedom and Capitalism) or “liberal” (collective and progressive). When you read what Jesus preached regarding the “Kingdom of Heaven,“ it is obvious that what he said is far closer to what ”conservatives“ believe than what ”liberals” do. Take for instance his parable about the vineyard workers in Matthew 20: 1-16. In it the owner of the vineyard hires workers to work for the day for an agreed amount, but finds that he needs more, and throughout the day hires more workers for the SAME amount. At the end of the day, the owner pays the workers, but the workers who worked longest COMPLAIN (like labor union members), but here is what the owner tells them:
‘Friend, I am doing you no wrong. Didn’t you agree with me for a denarius? Take that which is yours, and go your way. It is my desire to give to this last just as much as to you. Isn’t it lawful for me to do what I want to with what I own? Or is your eye evil, because I am good?’
A man’s right to do with what he OWNS is a “conservative” notion. This parable is the antithesis of so-called “liberal” (more rightly COLLECTIVIST) ideology. Hence, it seems to me that any “liberal” claims that Jesus taught in accordance to their beliefs is either misinformed, or idiotic.
Report Post »yohannbiimu
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 2:24pmJesus taught a parable in Matthew 20: 1-16 about a vineyard owner who hires workers to harvest for an agreed wage. As the day goes on, he finds that he needs more workers, so he hires more as the day goes on. At the end of the day, the owner pays everyone at the same agreed wage at the start of the day. Some of those who worked longest complain that they should be paid more (sounding like labor union members), but here is the owner’s reply:
‘Friend, I am doing you no wrong. Didn’t you agree with me for a denarius? Take that which is yours, and go your way. It is my desire to give to this last just as much as to you. Isn’t it lawful for me to do what I want to with what I own? Or is your eye evil, because I am good?’
Now, this is in context with what the “Kingdom of Heaven is like.” If you take this for what its worth, it obviously says that a man has a right to do with what is his in any way he wants to, which is a libertarian (not “liberal”) idea. He did not HAVE to pay those who worked only a few hours the same day’s wage that he paid those who worked all day, but he did, because it was his pleasure to do so.
The point being, Jesus obviously supports, in this parable, the idea of ownership, and that “fairness,” as it existed in the minds of some of the workers, is a preposterous notion.
Report Post »Drives Like Jehu
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 2:41pmOh, and by the way for all you needy greedy who go into hysterics whenever someone else has something you don’t, here is Matthew 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
God is much more concerned about someone‘s spiritual welfare than He is someone’s temporary worldly materialism.
Report Post »Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 5:05pmThis article is about Jesus.
So, who is the white dude with the beard in all the pictures? Even the most ignorant fairytale believer should, by now, at least be able to admit that the real guy who lived and died 2000 years ago didn’t look like that. Talk about standing out in a crowd.
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 10:13pm@YOHANN Eye witness can be insufficient as an account of events. Especially 2000 years ago. Lots of “big fish” stories told the same by many people. Any modern lawyer and social scientist can attest to the severe flaws in eye witness accounts. People are 100% convinced they have identified a person in court who has victimized them only for DNA and other evidence to exonerate the accused. When the find the real criminal the victim is dumbfounded.
Report Post »Jim AZ
Posted on February 2, 2012 at 6:59amRedeemer? Giver of Life? Author of Liberty?
Report Post »What else: Libertarian.
eric6161
Posted on February 2, 2012 at 11:11amDavidzion, You forgot to point out that Romans 8:38 was addressed to the Elect of God. This verse is the reason some say that “once saved, always saved.” However, some disagree with this take. I figure that anyone who pretends to be saved and then aligns themselves with evil was never saved in the first place.
I am referring to people such as Frank Schaeffer who considered himself one of the elect. He was brought up to be a Christian and a Godly man and I’m sure everyone around him thought he was one of the elect… but he fooled them all. The angel Satan did something similar when he tried to overthrow God in heaven and was banished. Satan knows he has committed the unforgivable sin in his blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. I wonder if Frank understands the ramification of that one sin. Next to this sin… all others pale in comparison.
Report Post »JoeShmoe1207
Posted on February 2, 2012 at 10:13pmFREE2SPEAKRN
That quote was not said by Thomas Jefferson. He was a deist, so a quote about Christianity could not be attributed to him.
Report Post »ThankBabyJesus
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:51pmChristian politics is like a niche within a niche. Either way the truth always boils up to the top for all to see.
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:50pmChrist Jesus position is neither liberal nor conservative. Christ Jesus is the standard, the Truth and the way to our Lord father, God above “Everything”, If that’s what you value.
You can be a conservative sinner and easily find your way to Hell. Totally up to you.
Report Post »NoRoomForSocialismHere
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:10pmChrist and Jesus is the same title so dont be redundant.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:14pmWell said!
Jesus was definitely “progressive,” but not in the way it’s used today… rather, He worked to make progress for the entire human race. But liberal or conservative? It’s like asking if the color green smells like toxic sewage or fresh-cut grass. At a surface glance it might look like one or the other, but it’s an entirely different entity.
Report Post »americanidiot
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:17pmSorry, Jesus and our father God love us a little more than that sir. You don’t go to hell for sins, ALL of your sins have been cleansed.. Past, present, and future. Read Romans, Hebrews, John… its all there. To get to hell it is simple……don’t believe
Report Post »marvel
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:22pm@NoRoomForSocialismHere
Christ is the title, which means “the anointed one”, and is synonymous with the Hebrew Messiah. Jesus is his name, and is a name that is used in various forms by many other people. It does have a meaning, though, which is closer to “savior” than “anointed”.
Jesus of Nazareth, is the Christ. He is Jesus the Christ.
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:25pmNo Room for your idiocy, therefore you are easily dismissed.
Report Post »DavidZion
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:39pmChrist & Jesus are not the same tittle. It should be said Jesus the Christ however since Greek doesn’t use a “The” it comes out Jesus Christ
Jesus is his name which was actually Joshua or Jeshua (Jehovah is Salvation)
Christ (Christos) is Greek for Anointed one
Report Post »Messiah (Messias) is Hebrew for Anointed one
RIGEL_ORION
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 4:40pmThe messages of Jesus transcend the classifications of liberal or conservative. They were teachings to the individual, directions in how each man/woman could gain salvation.
What’s the difference between a Utopia and Hell on Earth? Choice.
Giving to the poor vs. someone taking everyone’s stuff to give to the poor. One leads to spiritual growth and enlightenment, the other leads to hatred, resentment and envy. One leads to a society of brotherhood, the other leads to a society of suspicion and fear.
Jesus knew the difference. Obama does not.
Report Post »ravinginfidel
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 5:35pmLiberal? Conservative? The question has no meaning. He lived in an oppressed defeated country, part of the Roman Empire. The local government and theocracy was cruel and corrupt. Yet his divinity and message was so profound the world was changed.
Report Post »tgthompson
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:50pmPeople should be cautious about speaking for Jesus and speak more about what He said.
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:11pmTgthompson – I agree completely. You cannot label Jesus or use Him for political purposes. I am tired of Our Lord being used to make a liberal or conservative point. What He was, and is, forever stands on its own. We need to read His word and pray for guidance for our own personal life.
Report Post »NoRoomForSocialismHere
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:13pmGood Point TGT
Report Post »2GodBeTheGlory
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 5:08pmThe REAL point should be “where do you stand with G-d and the teachings of Jesus Christ”. Do you follow G-d’s will in your life, in all aspects? Can you “see” Jesus in the person that you are aligned with “politically”? I am neither Democrat or Republican as both of these “platforms” do NOT equate to the teachings of Jesus. If you do not follow the will of G-d then you will NOT be with G-d. Those that would castigate me in stating that I should vote for the “party” or “the least worst”, instead of what G-d wants, then I would remind you the folly of the party system (see waning by George Washington) and remind you that YOU will be held responsible for YOUR actions alone. I would also ask you to look at what each party has giving us or taken away from us. Yes it is YOUR choice, however, when I kneel before G-d and Jesus I will hear the words “Well done, good and faithful servant“ instead of ”..depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”
I find five things that Jesus Christ teaches that no one has been able to refute:
Report Post »1. Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
2. You shalt love thy neighbor as thyself
3. Repent (change your life towards G-d)
4. Be baptized
5. Follow the will of G-d
SychinLegacy
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:50pmAnyone who actually knows the bible knows that they are neither. Why? Because “cosnervative” and “liberal” are arbitrary social values arranged in a way to confuse people and force them into fighting each other because “OMG THEY ARE DIFFERENT”.
Report Post »NoRoomForSocialismHere
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:17pmThere is the Christian way and their is Satans way, its that simple.
Report Post »Devise a manmade idiom to Jesus at your own doom
grannyrecipe
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 6:19amI think I agree with your point. The premise of the survey is flawed by the fact that Government isn’t, and shouldn’t be, a matter of developing and maintaining the spiritual maters of the people…it should be only mechanical in so much that it only solves problems of logic.
The Liberals have been somewhat successful in creating a “god” out of government and with it, they are establishing a religion…a secular man-made god. The massive amount of laws and regulations is their Bible.
So would the lord be in favor of the establishing an evil god for a country to live by? I don’t think I have to answer that one. With regard to politics, Christians are just simply in favor of destroying the golden calf.
Report Post »carolewash
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:46pmI just read an article on wnd.com about a new translation of the Bible and it make me just shake my head. You thought the attack on the Catholics is bad you need to read this. They are now trying to appease the Muslims. They are changing the Word and I am absolutely astounded. Our turn has come (to be stamped out).
Report Post »Country
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:44pmJesus said to fish out of the right side of the boat, so there you go.
Report Post »InNotOf
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 8:40pmKeeping on the “right” theme — “The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.” Ecclesiastes 10:2
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:41pmThe word “ views ” is completetly wrong. A view or a viewpoint is how each individual perceives a subject. Perception is not the same as definitive truth which is what Jesus spoke.
Report Post »Country
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:03pmYou think to hard.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:24pmThank you Country
Report Post »mcsledge
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:40pmIf you study the life and teachings of Christ, you will see some clear points:
1) He worships the Father (Religion – it’s need and purpose in life)
2) He obeys the Father (Baptism by one having authority of a perfect Son; satisfied the requirement of ‘born of the water and the spirit’ in order to enter into the Kingdom of God)
3) He is family focused, moral and honest in all his dealings (He reaffirmed God’s command of a man leaving his father and his mother to marry a wife and to multiple; He taught that even thought could lead to the sin of adultery; his apostles taught – via revelation – sins against nature)
4) He is orderly (He established a Church led by prophets and apostles via divine revelation. He also, established other priesthood callings Seventy, Elders, Priests, Deacons, Bishops, etc. all with their respective roles in His Gospel – each reporting up through a hierarchy with Christ as the Chief Cornerstone)
4) He promoted self-sufficiency (Reap what you sow, parable of the talents, parable of the ten virgins)
5) He is not an extremest (He promotes liberty and agency, but states give unto caesar that which is caesars)
6) He is no respector of persons (He favors no one individual, but blesses and aids those who are obedient to God’s commandments and seek after His help).
Using today’s definitions of conservatism and liberalism, He would classify as a Conservative.
Report Post »DavidZion
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:07pmNot to nick pick but the Ten Virgins had absolutely nothing to do with self sufficiency. It was referring to the Church being ready for his return.
Report Post »americanidiot
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:08pmFirst lets just say that Jesus wouldn’t be classified as either.. We are classified under him! If you take any time to read your bible you will learn that in the new testiment we are fully forgiven for ALL of our sins. Not just some ALL!. There is no need for baptism or confession it was finished the second Jesus gave his life for us. There is nothing we can do to earn our way in or out of heaven, it is a matter of faith and belief… As God said “your faith will be credited to you as righteousness”. Read the famous John 3:16 but don’t stop there read 17 and 18 you will see that it is that simple.. There is no condemnation for those who believe.
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:11pm…to be more specifis, He would be what Pivven refers to as a “neo-liberal.”
Timely discussion, being that we were debating this yesterday on another thread.
Report Post »Jax2b
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:40pmOnce again…He doesn’t conform to a mold. We conform to His. This is non-news.
Report Post »teamarcheson
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:39pmWould a Liberal destroy the homosexual cities of Sodom and Ghomara?
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:49pmNo, they would run for mayor.
Report Post »DavidZion
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:59pm@TeamArcheson Please stop making Christians look like idiots.
Sodom & Gomorra are old testament pre covenant pre LAW; You are comparing apples to oranges; I strongly advise that you attend at least ONE year of BIBLE school before you start making commits making ALL Christians look like idiots because of your ignorance. AT the very least pick up your Bible and READ it and at least TRY to understand the old and new covenant. Law and Grace etc etc
I say this with love not to hurt; But your not HELPING when you make these commits.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:01pmWould a Conservative defy the Old Testament teachings (such as stopping the stoning of an adulterer, promising salvation to non-Jews, or allowing his followers to eat before washing)?
Like so many rightly said, Jesus was neither conservative nor liberal; He was Jesus, the Truth, the Son of God. Applying OUR views of what HE would think to modern topics is hubris shaded through our own perceptions, and do disservice and disrespect to Him.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:46pm“Would a Conservative defy the Old Testament teachings (such as stopping the stoning of an adulterer, promising salvation to non-Jews, or allowing his followers to eat before washing)?”
Who do you think it was who gave the OT law?? oh yeah none other than Jesus Himself.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:48pm“Sodom & Gomorra are old testament pre covenant pre LAW; You are comparing apples to oranges; I strongly advise that you attend at least ONE year of BIBLE school before you start making commits making ALL Christians look like idiots because of your ignorance”
you do know Jesus is the God of the OT and new, rigth? same God…He does not change.
check out revelation….
Report Post »JAMACAMECRAZYMAN
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:57pmGood one Gonzo!
Report Post »Locked
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:05pm@Rush
Not sure what your point was… I‘m guessing you’re agreeing that since Jesus is God, and God made the Old Testament rules, He was free to overturn them?
Report Post »PPMStudios
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:35pm@TEAMARCHESON
“Would a Liberal destroy the homosexual cities of Sodom and Ghomara?” Probably but, more to the point.
Would a liberal advocate killing/aborting the unborn? Yep! It all started with Margaret Sanger’s Planned Parenthood in the inner-cities.
Report Post »Would a liberal maintain the effort to keep the less fortunate among us in poverty and without direction? Yep! That‘s the entire ’War on Poverty’ play LBJ started.
DavidZion
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:35pmMalachi 3:6 “I the LORD do not change. So you, O descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed.
Yes I know God does not change; let me school you a on couple things
1. Revelations is Johns vision of God’s final Judgement and is set for a appointed place and time. After the time of Church is over. God isn’t today wiping out cities filled with Homosexuals.
2. The law was for the Jews and remained unfulfilled until Jesus who laid down his divinity walked as a man in fulfillment of that law.
3. God loves even homosexuals; he hates the sin but loves the people. He wants them to turn away from their sin and be redeemed thru Jesus.
4. You see me and you are just as guilty as the Homosexuals; WE fall short under the law. The law only applies to those who decide to live under the law. This is satan’s trick to get you condemned. He does’t want a bunch of Christians running about free from condemnation. So he convinces you to live under the law.
5. Before Jesus came; God could not live with man; thats why their was a temple separating man and God. Now because of redemption we coexists with God in the form of the Holy Spirit inside of us that quickens us; we no longer have need of a law.
6. Our law is the law of love, Love God, Love one another (to include homosexuals) you don’t have to hang out with them or be best buds.
Read your Bible, read about the atonement vs what Jesus did; ask your Pastor to show you and Go to Bible School
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:51pm“Not sure what your point was… I‘m guessing you’re agreeing that since Jesus is God, and God made the Old Testament rules, He was free to overturn them?”
He didn’t overturn them…He fulfilled them…
the same Jesus that died on the cross made the law…and destroyed sodom and gomorroh…and killed 185k assyrians when they tried to invade israel…..
Report Post »Locked
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 6:28pm“He didn’t overturn them…He fulfilled them…”
I’m not understanding. If the Torah says you’re to stone adulterous women to death, and Jesus interfered to save the life of a woman, he’s overturning tradition. Same with the Torah saying you must wash your hands before a meal, while Jesus says it doesn’t matter. It’s not a simple matter of saying “Jesus fulfilled the law” and thus disregarding the Old Testament (or else why would we still follow the Commandments?). I feel as though the only real argument here is that these were the traditions passed down by Jews, and not the Law of God Himself (like the Commandments).
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 10:01pmJesus didn’t overthrow the law….He fulfilled it…
Matthew 5:17 (ESV)
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
but the jews in that case were violating their own law…
“And the man that committeth adultery with [another] man’s wife, [even he] that committeth adultery with his neighbour’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.” Leviticus 20:10
the jews just brought the woman to Jesus, not the man too.
Jesus is the I AM who gave the law in the OT….and apart from Christ all will be judged under that law…and the penalty for adultery, or any other sin is death…eternal death….
Report Post »Locked
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 11:18pm@Rush
“the jews just brought the woman to Jesus, not the man too”
Wait… so you‘re saying that Jesus’s message was “Don’t kill this woman yet; get the man here first and then stone them to death!”?
That… well, that would explain a lot of our differences, as I’ve never read anything like that! When it comes to the quote you gave, I read that as him saying he’s fulfilling the prophecies, but most of the “laws” the Jews followed were mostly useless, made to make the Pharisees look good and everyone else feel inferior. Basically, they were laws from Man, not direct from Him (God). Hence why the Commandments are still followed today, but we’ve done away with the stonings and not eating pork or wearing clothing of different materials.
Report Post »ares338
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:39pmI’m not sure he was in a two party system.
Report Post »Sharon Rose
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:37pmHis views are neither~~
Report Post »Denise Matthews
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:37pmJesus would be neither liberal or conservative. These are traditions of men that make void the Word of God. The entire bible is the Word of God, Jesus is the living word, came in the flesh, died for our sins and now intercedes for us to our Heavenly Father. There is nothing in the word of God that would support abortion (murder) bearing false witness, coveting others goods. The 10 Commandments haven’t changed. God is the same yesterday, today, tomorrow & forever.
Report Post »Sam Brown
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:35pmI don’t speak for Jesus, he will speak for himself at his return. The bible is Gods word and the only truth.
Report Post »mcsledge
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:45pmYou may want to read John 21:25 and Revelations 14:6. Your statement demonstrates your lack of understanding of what the Bible is.
Report Post »DavidZion
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:24pm@MCSLEDGE I don’t get your scripture reference John 21:25
Report Post »G.E.R
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:33pmThis has got to be the most ret@rded thing I’ve ever read.
Report Post »teamarcheson
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:38pmI don‘t know but He did use atomic weapons to destroy the homosexual cities of Sodom and Ghomrra didn’t He? Only Lot and his family survived in caves but his wife looked back at the mushroom cloud and got turned to a pillar of salt.
Report Post »VicksVaporub
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:39pmThe ultimate convenience of having a “personal saviour” is that he always agrees with you.
Report Post »gentlemike2
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:32pmFrom the earliest days after Jesus ascension into heaven, there have been those who have tried to hijack Him for their own ends – either to attempt to make their cause seem more valid, or to try to turn a buck from the faithful. The gnostics were already doing it in the first century, as were a lot of Greek “wisemen.” I see no difference between a liberal or conservative trying to make their cause seem more valid, and the gnostics doing so in the first century. In the end, it is not about liberal, conservative, Republican, or Democrat. It is about loving God perfectly, and loving each other perfectly, and doing what is right.
Report Post »justsomeguy2
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:32pmI don’t think you can put Jesus into one category. However, I find when liberals try to use the Bible to support their position, they still get it wrong. You’d be hard-pressed to find scripture that says “and the government shall…’. It’s not there.
I actually think liberal and conservative Christians generally want the same thing. However, conservatives want a free people to be able to pursue and provide those things as churches/charities have done, well, forever. Whereas liberals want to create some ‘just’ society where government dictates charity/justice.
Report Post »Razorhunters
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:32pmhave no idea…people keep re-writing the words to fit their agenda…
how many times has it been changed ?
Report Post »why were the other books left out of the bible…?
just lots of dam questions…
2SENSEWORTH
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 6:00pmWhy were some other books left out of the Bible? Just in case you haven’t read any of them here is a couple of lines from The Gospel of Philip.
God is a man-eater. For this reason, men are sacrificed to him. Before men were sacrificed, animals were being sacrificed, since those to whom they were sacrificed were not gods.
And the companion of [the savior was Mary Magdalene. [Christ loved Mary] more than all the disciples, and used to kiss her often on her mouth.
Footnote [13] on Wikipedia “However, ‘mouth’ is not necessarily the word after ‘kiss her… on her’. It may have been another body part and simply shown respect
I don’t think any other examples need to be given as to why The Gospel of Philip and others were not included in the Bible.
Report Post »One of the Quiet Ones
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:29pmThe question should be reversed because it is easy to make it deception to phrase it this way unless he 100% agreed with them. How much do liberal or conservative views agree with Christ. Then why do they differ.
Report Post »bane73
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:28pmThe discrepancy is easy to understand: Jesus is actually a Libertarian!
Report Post »That is, moral in one’s own life — but extends free agency to every individual to make his/her own choices.
RagingJudge
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:37pmHmm, yess, the power of Free Will. Who would have thought?
Our human deficiencies are part of God’s test. Imposing a controlling government to try to correct or compensate for these behaviors is only trying to bypass the test. Of course it doesn’t even work, it just makes things worse. Reminds me of the story about Nimrod and the Tower of Babel…
Report Post »Silversmith
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:28pmHeal yourselves.
Silversmith
Report Post »TXPilot
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:22pmIf Jesus came back today, I think the first ones that would be in big trouble, are all the idiots that claim they are just saying and doing exactly what he would do.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:30pmProstitutes go to Heaven first… because they do less Harm than Liberals… and give more Pleasure than Conservatives!
Report Post »DeweyBueno
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:22pmMany have not read the Bible in the recent past. Churches present political views and I have been forced to go on the hunt for a church that concentrates solely on the word of God.
This saddens me because although Following the Constitution seems to be unpopular I hold it to the Highest standard.
Freedom of Religion and Separation of Church and State was proposed by very smart forefathers.
The Bible is the word of God and Jesus is our savior.
Political Parties have no bearing on the teachings. Spirituality.
Name calling, hate, lies, and much of the party activities are not the behavior describe in the Bible as positive.
Politics needs to stay away from the Bible for these reasons.
Morality is not evident in the political system.
Report Post »Denise Matthews
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:32pmIn my search for a church that strickly taught the Word of God chapter by chapter verse by verse I found Shepherd’s Chapel at channel 225 Dish.
Report Post »americanidiot
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:14pmYou may want to get a copy of the constitution and read it again.. Yes Our forefathers were smart however they said nothing of the sort, the coined phrase of “seperation of church and state” didnt come about until the 1970s. And no where does it say there will be “seperation of church and state”! NO WHERE! It simply states the congress shall pass no law to force or deny any religion.
Report Post »jay1975
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 1:13amAI: “Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.”
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lukerw
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:18pmNEITHER…. HIS views are DIVINE!
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