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Are U.S. Snipers a Modern Battlefield Game Changer? Former Seal Brandon Webb Weighs In

In an era of unmanned drones and stealth super fighters, a centuries-old combat role has proven itself to be a critical aspect of 21st century warfare: snipers.

Are U.S. Snipers a Modern Battlefield Game Changer? Former Seal Weighs In

From the vast deserts of Anbar province in Iraq to the treacherous mountain passes of the Hindu Kush in Afghanistan, U.S. military snipers have been striking fear into the hearts of the enemy and saving the lives of their fellow American and allied soldiers.

USA Today gave an account of snipers’ effectiveness yesterday in a piece that described the evolving role of the sniper. The story began by describing a Marine platoon in Afghanistan that at the start of its tour “couldn’t get outside the wire more than 50 meters before it was a barrage of fire,” according to a scout sniper. But the Marines didn’t rely on M1 Abrams tanks or AC-130 Spectre gunships to clear out the area. Instead, the Marines deployed scout sniper teams, clad in ghillie suits, to take the fight to the enemy. And the immediate impact was remarkable, according to USA Today:

“Dozens of militants were killed by an enemy they never saw. Word of unseen killers began to spread among the ‘few who got away.’ Within weeks, the tide had begun to turn and by the end of the unit’s seven-month deployment in March 2011, the battalion’s 33-man sniper platoon had 185 enemy kills.”

The story illustrates a trend that has come to light in the post-9/11 era wars against Al Qaeda and terrorist supporters. The most elite U.S. marksmen are using their rifles as precision instruments in the counterinsurgencies and special ops missions that have defined U.S. conflict for over a decade.

Are U.S. Snipers a Modern Battlefield Game Changer? Former Seal Weighs In

But just how have elite U.S. snipers improved their effectiveness? And how is their role integrated into the fabric of an increasingly technology-heavy U.S. armed forces?

To get an insider’s view of the modern sniper, I spoke to Brandon Webb, former Navy SEAL Sniper, author of the recently released autobiography “The Red Circle” and editor of SOFREP.com to get his take on the USA Today piece and find out how U.S. snipers have become a an indispensable asset on the 21st century battlefield:

Brandon, you read this USA Today piece on the utility of snipers in 21st century warfare. Did it accurately portray the role of elite snipers in the U.S. Armed Forces?

“Today’s sniper is one of the most effective tools on the battlefield. The precision of the sniper ensures that enemy forces are neutralized without the collateral damage that is inherent with drone or manned air strikes (though both have their place).”

U.S. snipers are hitting targets at incredible distances now– further downrange than any shots in history. Has technology played a marked role in this progression?

” Yes, but it still comes down to the guy on the other end of the gun. The area where technology has been really influential is the long distance shots. There used to be a mysticism shooting out past 1000 meters. You had to deal with the coriolis effect (the spin of the earth), counter the wind… but now we measure each rifle’s signature muzzle velocity in feet per second. That gets plugged into the software, and you also plug in temperature, barometric pressure, etc. You press calculate and it gives you a firing solution. Dial that into your scope, and take your shot.”

Are U.S. Snipers a Modern Battlefield Game Changer? Former Seal Weighs In

(courtesy USN)

The USA Today article highlights the psychological impact of sniper operations on the enemy– do sniper kills play a major psy-ops role?

“Definitely. The 21st Century Sniper is an intelligent and mature shooter who leverages technology to increase accuracy and devastate the enemy’s psyche. Bad guys who are up to no good start seeing their friends disappearing. As a result of this fear, Seal Snipers- not just Chris Kyle– have had bounties put on their heads by the enemy. “

What are the best programs currently in our military for sniper training?

“There are only a few DOD sniper courses doing it right. The US Army 5 week course is more of a precision marksman school. Army SOTIC, USMC sniper and NSWC sniper produce true snipers that are highly capable where the 5 week Army course is lacking in the fundamentals that make a true sniper. You need two months minimum (the SEAL course is over three months of 7 days a week) to truly train a candidate. The latter courses are some of the top in the world with the SEAL course leading the pack in comprehensive curriculum.”

Are U.S. Snipers a Modern Battlefield Game Changer? Former Seal Weighs In

(courtesy USN)

It seems that the idea of the sniper as “lone wolf” out in the field has been transitioning into a more integrated role with other military elements. Has there been a shift in sniper integration with other units?

“The Main difference we have in the SEAL course is our guys can integrate with anybody. What spearates the SEAL snipers from other groups is that traditionally you are trained as a pair where one guy is a spotter. Typically one guy gets better on the spotting scope because he has a better understanding of ballistics. As a SEAL, we say ‘stop, now you guys are each on your own.’ Now each SEAL sniper will have a better understanding of ballistics. Most of the sniper courses today will test them as a pair, whereas the SEAL course teaches individuals separately. And of course we can also get an aircraft on the radio and start dropping bombs on the bad guys. They look over, see a big explosion a few clicks away, then out of nowhere a JDAM drops on their head. That’s integration.”

As a former SEAL operator and sniper instructor, Brandon could go on much further to share his knowledge about marksmanship, combat, and a variety of other martial subjects.

If you want to read more from Brandon, his book “The Red Circle” is certainly an excellent start.

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  • FromSeaToSea
    Posted on May 11, 2012 at 5:19pm

    So why are we killng them? You and I did not pick the enemy. You and I did not stir the pot.
    There is no national threat and even if one existed it’s not on our soil. Are these peoples in their own lands not allowed to even be armed? We have stepped over the line of respect for nations and individuals.

    THIS IS JUST MURDER. HIRED ASSASSINS. I KNOW IT HURTS AND OBUMMER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THESE DEATHS.

    Sorry to hear anyone has to kill a dad or mom of a family, a sovereign citizen, where we are the invader. Obummer is a mass murderer not much different than Hitler.

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    • banjarmon
      Posted on May 12, 2012 at 12:20am

      Sorry to hear that your head is filled with things a dog would not eat and a cat would want to cover up, Does September 11, 2001 mean any thing?????

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    • georgepatton
      Posted on May 12, 2012 at 4:51am

      Did your parents have any children that survived?
      I BET THEY REGRETTED THAT!

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    • M24
      Posted on May 12, 2012 at 8:18am

      The Main Reason , Terrorists want To Harm U.S. Citizens , The Other reason Is Because It Feels Good !!

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  • conserve48
    Posted on May 11, 2012 at 12:00pm

    Thank you for your service. You are the true heroes.

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  • BannedByHuffpo
    Posted on May 11, 2012 at 10:03am

    Thank goodness we have men with good eyesight and steady nerves. I was never that good of a shot. Too nearsighted. Guess that’s why I felt safer with an M-79 with anti-personnel rounds back in Tay Ninh Province.

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  • mharry860
    Posted on May 11, 2012 at 12:10am

    My nephew qualified as a sniper in Air Force training, don’t know why they test for that. He’d never fired a real gun in his life, computer gamer. He’s now a janitor for the Air Force, people on Base call them ghosts, they aren’t allowed to say to anyone what they do.

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    • Sorocialism
      Posted on May 11, 2012 at 2:20am

      Apparently he told you. He must have failed that don’t tell anyone portion of the training…

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    • hcartexas
      Posted on May 11, 2012 at 12:32pm

      Oh yes…. MOS 11J…. the super secret, elite, janitors….. Im not even sure you know what you’re talking about>>>????????

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  • starider
    Posted on May 11, 2012 at 12:10am

    Hats Off to all the Sniper Types. They are the bravest of the brave, because they know that if captured they will be killed slowly in an unspeakable manner.

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  • Nachoman83
    Posted on May 10, 2012 at 10:04pm

    Check out shooter by Jack Coughlin. He started the mobile sniper team at the beginning of the Iraq war. It’s a real easy read and gives great insight of a Marine Corps sniper. No better friend, no worse enemy.

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  • Firefighter 538
    Posted on May 10, 2012 at 9:57pm

    Having served 30 years (3 as a Seabee and 27 as a combat enginer sapper) I find all of us former service men in the same boat. We have a government that is not willing to support a military of sufficient size to not wear down and tear down the very individuals we count on for our freedoms and a military leadership that is more concerned with the stars than they are with the country. As I recall we all swore to defend the constitution from ALL enemies. We may again need to take that oath some day to defend our way of life. I hope at that time there are some “old” snipers to give me cover.

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    • DissenterKnight
      Posted on May 11, 2012 at 11:56am

      We all swore and oath to defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic. Take a look at you’re DD214 (discharge papers); nowhere on them do they in any way absolve you of that oath. Obligated as we are, it is our duty to stand and deliver, where and how required. Hopefully in peace, but in the end, as required.

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  • leonardo44
    Posted on May 10, 2012 at 9:29pm

    Great article.
    Snipers rock.

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  • Ruckus_Tom
    Posted on May 10, 2012 at 9:27pm

    Thanks Brandon Webb, former Navy Seal Sniper, for giving all our clandestine tactics for God and everyone else to see.

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  • TROONORTH
    Posted on May 10, 2012 at 8:42pm

    Something else we learned from the Germans!

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    • Sorocialism
      Posted on May 11, 2012 at 2:23am

      Nope, this tactic has been in use since the bow-n-arrow. The greater range of the weapon the greater the hiding spot. The Germans try claiming this…thats just false

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    • rangerp
      Posted on May 11, 2012 at 6:58am

      dawghowse

      Our military has a histroy of building a sniper program, then ditching it as soon as a conflict ends. In the Civil War, we tested men, and the best shooters were given the Sharps rifle, and used to shoot long range targets (thus the name sharpshooter).

      In WWI and WWII, we relied on the British to help us ramp up a program. Both times, we did not have a designated sniper rifle, and relied on the old 1903 springfield. We did not have a match grade sniper ammo, like some other militaries. In Korea, the Marines experimented with a Winchester model 70, and had the same issue of no designated match grade sniper ammo. By Vietnam, we still did not have a sniper ammo, or rifle. The marines went back to the Model 70, but then switched to the Rem 700 bolt action. The Army had AMU build accurized M14s. They glass bedded them, took away the selective fire option, equiped with a match grade Sako Lowell barrell, and toped it with a Redfield ART I scope. The scope was fine, but the M14 required a funky side mount scope base that is not the best. The Army called this the M21, and kept it up until about 1987. In 87, the Army set up a Army Sniper School down at Fort Benning GA. It is an awsome school, and they do a great job. The Marine scout sniper course at Quantico is also a great course.

      We have made ground in training snipers in the last few decades, now we just need a way to teach combat officers what a sniper can do, and how to employ them properly.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on May 11, 2012 at 8:37am

      oops, my last post was for TROONORTH

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    • lvfreemontst
      Posted on May 11, 2012 at 9:22am

      u better read your history bud—we snipers in the revolutinary war and civil war—check it out—

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  • navet44
    Posted on May 10, 2012 at 8:38pm

    @jrook. grow up, and be a man . bitch all you want, but until you serve , don’t pretend to understand adult issues. sometimes mom won’t bring y
    our favorite pudding to the basement. sorry.

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  • Tampa Ken
    Posted on May 10, 2012 at 8:16pm

    first thought through my head was…. There allowed to shoot them?? thought our rules of engagement were screwed up??

    anyways.. All respect to the snipers.. Taking it to Americas enemy’s since 1776!

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  • FreeSlave
    Posted on May 10, 2012 at 7:11pm

    I want to be a Sniper when I join the Army.

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  • rangerp
    Posted on May 10, 2012 at 6:52pm

    this is a topic that I have great interest, and have done much study. Throughout our military history, we generally do a very poor job of employing snipers appropriately (with some exceptions). Our combat officers do not get trained in sniper employment, and very few officers have a real knowledge of what a sniper can do. Snipers are great at counter sniper, counter IED, covering movement routes, and all manner of other jobs.

    Our manual for military terms and graphics does not even have a symbol for snipers.

    Most civilians, and much of the military sort of put a glamorous twist on sniping. In reality, most people in the military kind of hate them (especially the enemy sniper). It is a dirty business, can be very boring to most, and is anything but glamorous to hide, and murder an enemy that does not even know you are there. Thus the reason there should be a very rigorous selection for such a man.

    They key for snipers to get utilized properly, is first to be very well trained, and to practice in real conditions, not just be able to shoot on a shooting range. Second, they need to be able to talk the language of tactics and doctrine. When a sniper team leader can look the commander or operations officer in the eye, talk nested task and purpose, and then sell them on why the sniper teams can fit in that task and purpose, and be a benefit to the main effort, then he has a better chance of getting used. Otherwise, he will be guarding MREs in the parking lot

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    • Mark0331
      Posted on May 10, 2012 at 7:15pm

      @RANGERP Love your informative post…dead on….me being a Machine Gunner and a Section Leader for many, many years, I still smile and think “Accuracy By Volume”… You are right: Knowledge, Teamwork, proper discipline of gun employment and discipline of volume are vital in the success of utilization….same disciplines utilized by our Scout Snipers in the Corps, just different weapon systems… both equally effective in the ‘end result’ colomun…but you know how us Machine Gunners are, “Accuracy By Volume”…Thanks, as always, for your Service.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on May 10, 2012 at 9:22pm

      Mark0331

      Thanks for the comments, and thanks for your service.

      I did an MTT Sniper School run by the AMU back when I was enlisted in the 80s. I have had a love for it ever sence, and try to keep my finger on the pulse of military sniper stuff. I was able to attend the awards ceremony after last years All Army Sniper Competition along with some of the competition, and was blow away at the professionalism of our NCO snipers in both the Army and the Marines. Just weeks ago, I competed at the Wilson matches at Camp Robinson, and got to hang out with the NG Sniper comp guys. I actually got to sit down and give some instruction to these young guys on doctine, and how to actually speak to officers (I am now a Lieutenant Colonel) and explain what their capabilities are. Had a number of them comment that they have never spoke to an officer that knows their capabilities, and also is a long range rifle competitor.

      WHat I would not give to be young again, and be back on a team.

      As far as machine gunning, I was a M60 gunner when I jumped into Panama for Operation Just Cause. The ability to read and call wind I leared in sniper training was very useful as a machine gunner. While you can always walk tracers into the target, It is good to dope your wind and elevation right, and get the first burst on target.

      Thanks again

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    • dawghowse
      Posted on May 10, 2012 at 9:42pm

      @RANGERP I was an NCO at Ft. Bragg in the 80s and was assigned to the AMTU 82-84. Asst Sniper Instructor and Head Combat Pistol Instructor. Just wondering if you came through on my watch. Thanks for your service Sir, Airborne!

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    • rangerp
      Posted on May 11, 2012 at 6:45am

      dawghowse

      I did the AMU run MMT Sniper school down at CampSantiago Pureto Rico in 1988. I was stationed at Fort Benning with the 3/75 Ranger then.

      I served in the 82nd as a PLT Leader latter in the 90s, and I remember hearing about the AMU detachment being there. I had a freind that attended one of your designated marksman courses, and he spoke very highly of it. I wish the Army would set those detachments up again to improve marksmanship across the force.

      Thanks for your service

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  • Hickory
    Posted on May 10, 2012 at 6:36pm

    Do the rest of you vets remember:

    This is my rifle
    This is my gun
    This is for killing
    This is for fun

    Standard basic training knowledge.

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    • Mark0331
      Posted on May 10, 2012 at 6:47pm

      Outstanding…taught my nephews that a couple years back…Only ‘Birds and Bees’ lesson ever needed….

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  • let us prey
    Posted on May 10, 2012 at 6:24pm

    “The average rounds expended per kill with the M16 in Vietnam was 50,000. Snipers averaged 1.3 rounds. The cost difference was $2300 v. 27 cents.”

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    • Athinkerinaseaoflibs
      Posted on May 11, 2012 at 12:35pm

      Now let’s compare the effectiveness of surrendering to our enemy to that of a sniper as proposed by BHO. Look where the carefully calculated approach of surrender has gotten the French. By the way does anyone know if the French government has any snipers?

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  • Mark0331
    Posted on May 10, 2012 at 6:14pm

    “This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. My rifle, without me, is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will…

    My rifle and myself know that what counts in this war is not the rounds we fire, the noise of our burst, nor the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count. We will hit…

    My rifle is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its sights and its barrel. I will ever guard it against the ravages of weather and damage as I will ever guard my legs, my arms, my eyes and my heart against damage. I will keep my rifle clean and ready. We will become part of each other. We will…

    Before God, I swear this creed. My rifle and myself are the defenders of my country. We are the masters of our enemy. We are the saviors of my life. So be it, until victory is America’s and there is no enemy, but peace!”

    …just saying….Semper Fi

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    • momrules
      Posted on May 10, 2012 at 6:26pm

      Now THAT gave me chills Mark…………God bless our Military.

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    • DEFCON4
      Posted on May 10, 2012 at 8:37pm

      Right Back At You…….Devil Dog !

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    • pschlentz
      Posted on May 11, 2012 at 1:59am

      That’s a Beautiful thing…

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    • Ironz
      Posted on May 11, 2012 at 9:58am

      I do remember this well however I was taught this in the Army back in 1966. Thank you for serving.

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on May 10, 2012 at 5:46pm

    Lets put it this way…

    bad guy shows up to cause problem…
    SEAL or Marine Sniper sees bad guy…
    Reach out and touch someone…

    End of bad guy.

    Better believe they are effective. Deadly and a force multiplier, they bring terror to the terrorists.

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  • SavvyCowboy
    Posted on May 10, 2012 at 5:45pm

    U.S. military snipers have saved thousands of lives throughout the history of our country, they have also changed the battlefield, turned the tide of many wars. God bless them!

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  • wewantchillywilly
    Posted on May 10, 2012 at 5:42pm

    you are never a FORMER SEAL.

    just as you are never a FORMER Marine.

    retired is the word you want, blaze.

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    • therealconservative
      Posted on May 10, 2012 at 7:42pm

      Actually, it’s your never a Ex-Marine, your always a Former Marine.

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    • RebelPatriot
      Posted on May 10, 2012 at 11:06pm

      You are never a former Marine. You are a retired Marine. Once a Marine you are always a Marine.

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    • Sorocialism
      Posted on May 11, 2012 at 2:29am

      THEREALCONSERVATIVE has it right. The best way to put it may be FORMER active duty Marine. That would quell any suspicion of false claim to retirement from the Corps or the people that are out looking for that “EX-Marine” phrase.

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    • therealconservative
      Posted on May 11, 2012 at 3:45pm

      You are a retired Marine, if you retired from the Corps, if not your a former Marine. I happen to be a former Marine (3 years) and retired from the Army (17 years).

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  • wewantchillywilly
    Posted on May 10, 2012 at 5:41pm

    it’s too bad our state department is exporting this technology to countries like Russia, China, Iran…you know. our friends.

    i’m glad hilary RESET our relationship with them.

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  • jungle J
    Posted on May 10, 2012 at 5:17pm

    Remember the other guys have high quality snipers too….let’s get beyond bravado and talk about reality….snipers in vietnam did a great job but the infantrymen banged the bang.

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  • Clmsadjman
    Posted on May 10, 2012 at 5:14pm

    Love these guys nothing freaks the enemy more than seeing their comrades head being blown off by an unknown enemy. I saw a picture of an insurgent that was taken out by a sniper his head looked like a butterfly shrimp with a pair of eyes. Now tell me that anyone out in the open after seeing that is going to be able to keep there mind in terrorist mode they will be so distracted and scared they will be ineffective at the purpose. The thing that is cool is they fire from distance the bullet hits the target before the sound evern makes it there.

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    • Predatee
      Posted on May 10, 2012 at 5:55pm

      @CLMSADJMAN “The thing that is cool is they fire from distance the bullet hits the target before the sound evern makes it there.”

      That’s true of all shots. The further the shot, the longer the delay. The bullet doesn’t speed up with distance, it just gets further ahead of the sound wave.

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  • Arc
    Posted on May 10, 2012 at 4:50pm

    Their ability to accomplish the things that NEED to be done, with NEGATIVE COLLATERAL DAMAGE, from a distance that is exceptionally hard to detect, gives the battlefield commander a most useful asset plus its name alone causes a wee bit of trepidation among the enemy(.i.e Psyops and leaflets)

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    • lukerw
      Posted on May 10, 2012 at 4:55pm

      Seems like a Liberal Advertisement… for Reduction in Equipment & Funding!

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    • JRook
      Posted on May 10, 2012 at 5:16pm

      In one sense a sad reflection of our continuation of non-war wars. We spend almost as much of the rest of the world combined on the military and had a hard time “winning” whatever that means in both Iraq and Afghanistan. And of course what exactly are we going to win. The middle east became a very convenient replacement for Russia which of course was an immeasurable threat to the US. Those who make $ billions off our military machine need enemies, ones that are perceived dangerous enough to justify the spending. How’s about we actually invest in the US. Infrastructure, technology, education, real energy independence are good places to start.

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  • lukerw
    Posted on May 10, 2012 at 4:38pm

    NO… does not work in Jungles… nor against Tanks, AirPlanes, Artillery, Large Troop Formations, other Snipers… nor in any World War!

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    • Tandem2011
      Posted on May 10, 2012 at 5:07pm

      The only problem I have with these methods and procedures is that it’s discussed too much in the media. The enemies of America (represented by our troops on the front lines) need to remain mysterious and haunting to instill terror the same way fanatical Muslims enjoy instilling it into Western cultures to great effect. Give them a taste of their own medicine.

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    • Wolf
      Posted on May 10, 2012 at 5:26pm

      ROFLMBO, Lukerw… tell that to Carlos Hathcock for one, Jim Land for another… the list of “…against Tanks, AirPlanes, Artillery, Large Troop Formations, other Snipers… nor in any World War!…” is rediculously long and very distinguished.
      Before posting something about guns and/or shooting, you should probably bone up a bit on the history of sniping. As for its beginnings in the United States, you could go all the way back to 1776, even prior to that if you want to get ‘technical’.
      There has not been a conflict we‘ve been involved in where snipers did not play a major role in demoralizing the enemy and making kills with far less ’collateral damage’ and much less cost than any other kind of combat arms.
      Typically, your comment is liberal and foolish… oops- it seems I’m being redundant.

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    • lukerw
      Posted on May 10, 2012 at 7:45pm

      @WOLF
      Narcissistic Egos do not win Skirmishes, Battles, not Wars… and Books do not replace Combat Experience. Team Work, Tactics, Strategy & Luck is what it is all about… where, as Patton said: the Foolish get Dead! The SuperMan Army of One… is an illusion… of a Hero Warrior… great for Propaganda & Comic Books!

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    • Armyof One
      Posted on May 10, 2012 at 7:50pm

      Bullshiite. Put a round into a planes engine, that plane does not fly. Large formations mean more and easy targets. Snipers already know it takes skill to kill another sniper, but once that enemy sniper is dead, the enemy has second thoughts about trying it again. Pop the man about to pull the lanyard on a gun, the rest of the crew will not want to be exposed, effectively taking out that tube. Jungle warfare is almost perfect for sniping, as the limited visibility will work FOR the sniper, not against him.

      As a dedicated sniper, most of your time and energy is observing and reporting. Now you can report that tank on a grid and have the Air Force take it out. One round or one JDAM, either way the tank is dead.

      Oh yeah, tell the Russian and Finnish snipers how terrible they did during WWII. Or better yet, dig up the many hundreds of their targets and ask them.

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    • lukerw
      Posted on May 10, 2012 at 8:10pm

      @ARMYOF…
      Ah, yes… very… “demoralizing” :) But, not as much as the Gay Sergeants & Officers :) The “modern” Army… Sucks,,, and they cannot Think without their Rules of Engagement playbook!

      Of course… this is just my Opinion… which opposes the Liberal Establishment!

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    • WarBadger
      Posted on May 11, 2012 at 10:22am

      Wrong. A sniper as a forward deployed entity acts not only in direct action against enemy forces but also acts as a battlefield sensor to call in artillery, airstrikes, and intel reports.

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    • GeoInSD
      Posted on May 11, 2012 at 10:40am

      It is amazing how ignorant people will state opinion as actual fact. Lukerw, have you done any research to back up your assertions. Do you know about the celebrated Soviet snipers who served in WWII, many of whom are women and have hundreds of kills? The last time I checked, WWII is a WORLD WAR!

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