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Ariz. Bill Would Fire Teachers for Bringing ‘Partisan’ Opinions Into the Classroom

Ariz. Bill Would Fire Teachers for Bringing Partisan Opinions Into the Classroom

An Arizona bill would see teachers fired for bringing "partisan" opinions into the classroom. (AP File Photo)

Teachers in Arizona would automatically be fired for bringing “partisan doctrine” into their classrooms under a bill pending before the state legislature.

Arizona Senate bill 1202 is meant to ensure students get a balanced view of what they’re taught in school, Capitol Media Services reported. In addition to firing teachers who bring partisanship into the classroom, school districts that allow it to happen would face losing state funding.

The bill is being sponsored by state Sen. Lori Klein of Anthem, who said she has received complaints about “political indoctrination in the classroom,” according to CMS. Klein, a Republican, is also sponsoring a separate measure that if passed would see teachers suspended or fired for using profanity in the classroom.

SB 1202 passed out of the Arizona Senate Government Reform Committee last week and is now set to go before the full state Senate for a vote. It comes after the Tucson Unified School District suspended its controversial Mexican-American studies program after it was set to lose funding on the grounds the curriculum violated a newly-enacted state law specifically designed to target the program. State officials contended the program promoted reverse-racism, and the law prohibits classes designed for a particular ethnic group or which “promote resentment toward a race of class of people.”

Arizona GOP congressional candidate Gabriela Saucedo Mercer testified in favor of the bill, telling lawmakers: “I have seen, firsthand, the damage done to our young students by partisans who pretend to be educators.”

“I have seen young students who, through classroom indoctrination rather than instruction, were incited to threaten and harass anyone who disagrees with their position,” she said, according to CMS.

Mercer added that it’s one thing when university professors bring politics into their teaching, but quite another when it’s done in a classroom full of young students.

“When you are targeting young, impressionable minds, starting from kindergarten, these children get lost,” she said.

What exactly defines a “partisan” opinion was a point of contention for legislators, CMS reported, but Klein said the bill is simply to ensure one point of view isn’t emphasized over another, regardless of ideology.

“It doesn’t matter,” she said. “Republicans or conservatives should not be promoting their point of view. Liberals, socialists, Marxists should not be espousing their views in the classroom.”

The committee stripped the legislation of any penalty for using partisan books — ones that a history teacher might assign about a U.S. president, for example — but one lawmaker remained concerned the bill could stifle the learning environment.

“The language here is so broad that you‘re going to stifle the education environment and kids’ ability to learn. Let‘s say they’re talking in science [class] and a teacher throws out ‘global warming.’ That could be considered a partisan issue,” Phoenix Democratic Sen. David Lujan said according to CMS, adding that it should be up to the students to decide whether they believe in the issue.

Glendale Republican Sen. Rick Murphy said much of it comes down to context.

“As long as the teacher was tolerant of people having other views and not punitive towards them if they express those and try to persuade their classmates of that, and as long as its relevant, I don’t see a problem with that,” Murphy said. “If they‘re talking about what’s relevant to the class, I wouldn’t see a problem with that. But if they’re talking about it in math, I would have concerns.”

Comments (96)

  • Runer
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 5:55pm

    Oh look, the liberals oppose this bill. I wonder why.

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    • The American People
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 6:03pm

      Probably because its needed to happen for a VERY long time. Way to go Arizona!!!

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    • glashole
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 6:10pm

      You would have a difficult time finding a non-partisan judge, but if the standard were on paper, not unlike the constitution, then the LAW would be the judge. Oh I forget about the living and breathing part of the LAW. Try that argument next time you run a stop sign and get busted, oh I thought it was just a suggestion..

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    • southernORcobra
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 6:14pm

      AZ has been so full of awesome lately.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 6:25pm

      Of course liberals hate this. Children are their prime targets in this day and age. Get them early.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 6:29pm

      ah…the religion of Global Warming and the democrat is afraid it will be taken the wrong way. The solution is simple but the democrat will never admit it. When it’s mentioned in the classroom, the teacher should say it‘s not settled science because quite frankly it isn’t. When those poor little polar bears are mentioned, the teacher should mention that the man who first brought that up is under investigation for fraud. It’s easy.

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    • Mrtoohappy
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 7:06pm

      I’m sure that Holder will sue them over this.

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    • barnsy
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 7:08pm

      I moved from ‘The Peoples Republic Of New York” to Arizona four years ago,what a difference! I love my new adopted state! AZ Rocks!

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    • Grey Eagle
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 7:48pm

      Does this mean no more Obama chants, poems, songs? Sure hope so.

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    • INOGAWD
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 7:51pm

      GAWD BLESS, Arizona !! The DOJ will be sueing next week…

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    • Jinglebob
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 9:16pm

      Start them out by paying them to go to school and you have them for life.

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    • Jaycen
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 11:45pm

      Due to the unions, if you don’t legislate the behavior, you can’t possibly control it. Hey, Arizona teachers….you got what you signed up for. Don’t you dare complain about it so long as you continue to pay your union dues.

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    • AZRACISTBIGOT
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 11:06am

      Don’t worry, Eric Holder will label the bill as racist and find some activist judge to kill it.
      Liberals are so predictable

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    • acman33
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 5:08pm

      HOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!! Also, can teachers or school districts be sued over this practice of brainwashing our children? I say take a few of them to court and maybe they’ll rethink this loonacy.

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    • Callie369
      Posted on February 25, 2012 at 2:46am

      Every level of education in this country, from kindergarten through college, should be doing the same thing.

      Way to go AZ!!!!

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    • SweetOlBob
      Posted on May 21, 2012 at 5:54am

      Runner: I think they’re afraid that little ditties like “Mmmmm, Mmmmmm, Mmmmmmm !” could posibly construed by the starchy comservative stuffed shirts as being pro Obama indoctrination of young minds and not the basic chorale instruction it obviously was.
      Nasty old conservatives !

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  • gingerbread
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 5:54pm

    Well, better late than never. It used to be that before all of this was found out, if you disagreed with the teacher on what they are saying, you got a failing grade. It’s time that the parents has had a say on what these teachers are indoctrinating our students.

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  • EchoHawk
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 5:48pm

    And no religion too.

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    • hi
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 7:56pm

      Yes, and only scientific facts, no theories.

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    • circleDwagons
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 8:16pm

      lawyers are going to LOVE this

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 10:31pm

      Just put every class on camera, on-line, so the parents can log in at any time to monitor what’s going on, and whats being taught.

      I guarantee that with an audience like that, all teachers will be on their best behavior. They would not be pushing any agendas from either side.

      And probably most of the kids too.

      We are paying for those classes, we should be able to take part. Hell, we might even learn a few things.

      Win, win for all

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    • Latter-Day-Soldier
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:21am

      If Muslim kids are given rooms and times to pray and observe their beliefs, other students from other faiths should have the same options available for them.
      For the record: I am all for having prayer in school reinstated, if someone doesn’t like it, they can migrate to Venezuela

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  • nighttrainno9
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 5:16pm

    Yep, should have happened a long time ago.
    Day late and a dollar short, countries ruined,
    too late now. obama and his crew are just putting
    on the finishing touchs.

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    • DrFrost
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 5:53pm

      So… after we fire all of them who is going to teach the students? Honestly, easily half of my teachers in high school were pushing a liberal agenda. My history teacher actually tried to get me to question my christian faith. I can‘t imagine it’s improved in the last 20 years.

      Is a good law? I think it’s a good idea, but there seems to be a lot of potential for abuse. Also, a lot of the bias in schools is in the text books. That has to be addressed as well. But it’s definitely the right direction. The left has taken over the school system and used it to indoctrinate the youth of this country and it has to stop. Public school should not indoctrinate one way or the other.

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    • BOUGHT YOUR SILO YET?
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:08am

      Potential for abuse, I was thinking the same thing. In fact, aren’t Libertarians and Constitutionalist all about the constitution? Wouldn’t then, the constitution and the favorable teaching thereof, be considered partisan indoctrination?

      I live in Arizona so this is especially important to me. I do not want it to come down to that- that Civics and History teachers teach the constitution, but withhold their favorable opinion of. We need to teach patriotism.

      And yes…teachers who do not like the US Constitution should not express such opinions in the classroom. Teach the truth- yes. Even if it is disparaging of our country, but always follow-up with what this country has done that is good- and there is plenty good that can be said.

      As far as improving this country, that is the sole responsibility of each citizen.

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  • acovenantinblood
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 5:06pm

    Does anyone see how bad this is? When the Overton window shifts, partisan means nothing. Really? Most conservatives now would be Democrats 50 years ago. This bill will accomplish nothing.

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  • Brian Paasch
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:54pm

    Everyone does understand that this will never be used against a lefty teacher. But a righty? They’re toast.

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    • SacredHonor1776
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 5:03pm

      You are so right, this is a trap…

      People who actually respect ‘free speech’ would never push charges and use this to silence anothers free speech…

      The left would have no quelms about using this to silence the right….

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    • angeleyes63
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 5:32pm

      Great point Brian, this could become a nightmare for conservatives not a savior.

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    • RIGEL_ORION
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 10:27pm

      I don’t think so. Political correctness and the atheists have already removed most traces of conservative or traditional viewpoints from the educational system. In fact, teachers have already gotten suspended for posting on their Facebook wall that they believe homosexuality is a sin.

      Liberalism, by its nature, is activist. Americans are individualistic by nature, so the notion of the common good and the need to protect people from themselves has to be continually repeated and reinforced. In every area but sexuality, Liberalism/Progressive policies are rooted in the premise of regulating and controlling every aspect of every person’s life.

      What this bill really does is empower parents and prevent teachers from using their classroom as a progressive incubator. It will also put a stop to the manipulation and mobilization of useful idiot students that occurs every time the teachers union feels threatened or wants more of the people’s money.

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  • geonj
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:51pm

    this bill makes so much sense, it should be a constitutional amendment.

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    • DrFrost
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 6:07pm

      The real solution is vouchers and private school systems. It kills the teacher’s union. It would have a positive impact on our childrens learning almost immediately, and it solves this public school indoctrination issue. Parents don’t mind principles and values being taught to their children in school, but they want to be able to choose those values (e.g.. a catholic person likes that their children at a catholic school are taught the ten commandments, etc.). Let the parents decide.

      Of course the democrats will never do this… whatever would empower the individual the democrats do the opposite.

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    • RIGEL_ORION
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 10:39pm

      @ Dr. Frost

      If you look a little deeper, you’ll see that this bill could be instrumental in breaking the grip of the teachers unions on the public purse and the levers of power.

      What do the teacher’s unions use as props every time a school choice law or initiative is proposed? That would be the useful idiot students who are ‘encouraged’ to support their teachers and march on the Capital. Under this law, these kinds of activities would be partisan and grounds for immediate termination.

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  • aragona
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:29pm

    It is past time for this sort of legislation and a shame that we have to consider having legislation like this in the first place!

    This guy hit the nail on the head, “Let‘s say they’re talking in science [class] and a teacher throws out ‘global warming.’ That could be considered a partisan issue,” Phoenix Democratic Sen. David Lujan said according to CMS, adding that it should be up to the students to decide whether they believe in the issue.”

    How can the students decide whether to believe in the issue if they aren’t presented with BOTH SIDES of it?

    Liberals – recent example – would you have wanted a George Bush song taught to your student as part of President’s Day celebration. George W. Bush, mmm mmmm mmmmm!

    Don’t forget. The administration is liberal now but it won’t always be. One day, it may be your children who are being indoctrinated.

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    • Bluegrasstide
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:56pm

      What does this mean to education??? It means that teachers will not be allowed to teach. What defines “partisan”. If I spoke against Executive Order 9066, does that make me “partisan”? What about if I pointed out that gas prices are at historic highs under Obama? Does that qualify as “partisan” I often tell my students that they have a duty to be an educated electorate; decide what the important issues are, educate yourselves about how the candidates, and vote for “your” candidate. Is that out of line?

      I am as sick and tired of seeing children being endoctrinated by teachers as anyone, but more government intrusion/regulation is not the answer. That is the way that the silly progressives think. Those are issues that need to be dealt with by the local communities, not the state or federal governments.

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    • Atilla
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:58pm

      Like kindergarten kids chanting OBama praise. Put your kids in government schools at your own risk. Scrapping the entire DOE and the government operated system entirely is the best way to start. Hire teachers from a right to work perspective and make “forced” union membership illegal as it should be regarding any coercive practice.

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    • SacredHonor1776
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 5:05pm

      Yes, this law is a trap that can used against the right or anyone who disagrees with the marxist agenda…

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    • BOUGHT YOUR SILO YET?
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:21am

      @Bluegrass-

      I agree. The only way such a measure would work is if each teacher was, first, taught the US Constitution and thereby would know where the boundaries were between what is education and political indoctrination. The Constitution is the key- there is nothing in it that supports the progressive agenda: regardless of party affiliation.

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    • Latter-Day-Soldier
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:23am

      I’m trying to see both sides to this argument (and I’m not being sarcastic either).
      I can see how some are concerned that this will be used as a weapon against conservative teachers or anything that is non-progressive, but then I recall all the indoctrination and the songs kids are being taught in public schools that praise our president and his beliefs
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAYlQhhocMw
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8HEPZGfmYs&feature=related
      If this bill would prohibit teachers and administrators from having our kids being used for political purposes, then I support it %100

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  • SpankDaMonkey
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:26pm

    .
    Does that mean all Union Teachers will Quit?……………

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  • Itsjusttim
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:22pm

    Yeah that’s not going to fix anything. Where’s the line going to be drawn? Because technically everything is political, even a teacher’s relation with the parents. So should a teacher be afraid of it considered partisan if they don’t like a student jumping in the hall-way, and then idiotic parents will call the teacher partisan for suspending a child. It’s all stupid. People are just too corrupt across the board. Life’s too easy.

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    • Itsjusttim
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:26pm

      Men‘s government doesn’t fix anything. Case in point they are going to quit selling King-size candy bars, and now people will just buy two candy bars.

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    • Itsjusttim
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:30pm

      And then the government’s response will be to only sell one per person. Well then I’ll give my co-workers money and tell them to buy a candy bar even if they don’t want one at the moment and we will collect them at work or home. Or government could just stop selling them altogether and punish themselves too when they are out and about and they can’t find one for sale.

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    • RIGEL_ORION
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 10:53pm

      Actually Justtim,

      You are forgetting the last step. The elites within the government soon come to the realization that there is 10-15 percent of the population that simply WILL NOT follow the candy intake regulations, even though its best for them.

      For the common good, these 15 percent are rounded up and sent to re-education camps where they are subjected to endless audio loops of Michelle Obama telling them how they should be eating. A few of the re-educated are deemed acceptable to be returned to society. The rest of the people? …Well you can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs

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  • jlcook
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:20pm

    Brewer for President! after some vetting of course.

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  • TheFonz
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:18pm

    Man, oh, man. I’d move to Arizona in a heartbeat if my mother-in-law didn’t live there.

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  • Kathleen3
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:14pm

    Why is it that Arizona appears to be the only state in the nation with elected officials who actually honor their oaths of office and our Constitution? Not surprising that the rabid radicals who protest on a daily basis against those who refuse to allow the takeover of their state and our country are in a perpetual state of frenzy. Kudos to the Rep Klein et al!

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  • MittensKittens
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:13pm

    About damn time a state got the nuts to say we’re sick of teachers bring their opinions into the classroom, good for Arizona!

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  • booger71
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:06pm

    Leave the political discussions for college. These kids can’t vote anyway. They should concentrate on the 3 R’s, History ( actual history), and hard science, no feel good social science in K-12. No kid should graduate to the next grade if he/she can’t do the work at his present level.

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    • six6six
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:48pm

      There’s a lot of history to cover in the 6,000 year history of the the world.

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  • tzion
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:05pm

    Here’s my concern. Who get’s to decide what positions are “partisan”?

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    • oldguy49
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:11pm

      git rid of the dept of education and let states run them along with the epa fed and a flat tax term limits…….did i mention obama

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    • jlcook
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:19pm

      @oldguy Perfect!

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    • rastamark
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:38pm

      If you teach the curriculum, it won’t be partisan. In gov., debate both sides of the issue. That is what we did in school. One day you were a liberal, one day a conservative.

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    • aragona
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:49pm

      Who decides now?

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  • TheLeftMadeMeRight
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 3:57pm

    “ threaten and harass anyone who disagrees with their position”

    You mean the Democrats?

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  • hauschild
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 3:37pm

    This bill won’t stand a chance. The White House, led by the long lost Marx Brother, Holder, will soon get intimately involved.

    Well, look on the bright side. If the legislative branch is no longer necessary, think of all the money that will save in terms of pensions and salaries and expenses.

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    • lordjosh
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 3:48pm

      I’m not sure it should stand a chance. Impossible to define what is partisan or how and what will balance it. Sounds to me that it would do more harm than good. They would be much better served removing the unions and encouraging more parents to get involved with their childrens education.

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    • hauschild
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 3:57pm

      “removing the unions”

      Yeah, good luck with that.

      I usually wait to see if the White House gets involved. If it does, then you know the bill is reasonable.

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  • MiamiHurricanesFan
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 3:37pm

    Sounds like a good idea if it is not ONLY applied to the Conservative teachers. However few there are.

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  • 13th Imam
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 3:27pm

    This will apply to Conservative Religious, Republicans teachers only. Barry will give federal exemptions to all DEMOCRAT special interest groups. La Raza, GLAD, SEIU, ACLU, NAMBLA, Amer Comm, Party, Amer Soc Party, Amer Nazi Party, CAIR. Etc

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  • pap pap
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 3:27pm

    Tje indoctrinators love it when the kids are lost because when you’re lost you need someone to lead you out of it but then they are always lead down the wrong road just as they had planned from the Get-Go.

    I hope this works. Sounds like a very litigious situation.

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    • JRook
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 3:32pm

      “Republicans or conservatives should not be promoting their point of view. Liberals, socialists, Marxists should not be espousing their views in the classroom.” Such a statement speaks volumes regarding Ms. Klein’s residence in an alternate universe. Republicans are conservatives which are good….Liberals, ie. Democrats are socialists or Marxists which are of course bad. How come she left out a prohibition regarding a teacher bringing their religious views into the classroom.

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    • MYHEROISRON
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 3:41pm

      I had a new professor for one of my Communications classes who was from the University of Arizona. A total Liberal punk. He went off subject during every class I attended, telling us that we didn’t know the first thing about life living in the middle of Indiana! And then he hit on Karl Marx. I stood up, told him I had had enough of his mouth, and I told him to leave the classroom. A friend of mine stood as well and she told him the same thing. This creep called her a beotch and called for me to meet him out in the parking lot! I contacted the department head and that was the last time we ever saw him. He lasted less than two weeks. The liberal mind is a sick thing …

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    • william1
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 3:49pm

      After 15 years in public education as a teacher, all I have to say is “its about time.” I would in that 15 years that the teachers I have taught with, approximately 70% of those were moderate to extemely liberal, 20% were radical leftist and 10% moderate conservative to conservative. I assure readers this is close to the real numbers.

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    • 13th Imam
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 3:50pm

      My Hero
      I would have left him laying in the parking lot, then called the admin.

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    • hauschild
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 3:54pm

      @JROOK

      Christianity is the religion the country was founded on, so it makes sense that you would want your children to understand this, unless you’re a progressive. Because progressives understand that a mind educated honestly is a mind that will never find a need for the government. So, what is the most successful method of getting people to become dependent on government? Don’t teach American history, or teach revisionist American history.

      Ah, those “wascally” central planners. They’re just like termites that slowly destroy the structure of a building. Wouldn’t it be cool if we could call Terminix to solve the leftist problem???

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  • Walkabout
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 3:26pm

    I’ve had teachers who were liberal & were very good teachers & did not let their political views intrude into the subject matter being taught.

    From my experience this happens in the hard sciences, but not in the humanities.

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    • william1
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:00pm

      You obviously haven’t taught in public schools. 90% of the teachers are liberal and they don’t educate, they indoctrinate.

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  • NHwinter
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 3:23pm

    Thats how it used to be!! Hope this passes. It would be the first common sense thing to happen in a very long time.

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    • CatB
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 3:52pm

      I’m cerain the TEACHERS UNION (I don’t care what they call themselves that is what they are) have their panties in a big bunch .. good let them spend some of their money fighting this and not the election ;-)

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  • smithclar3nc3
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 3:22pm

    Is it funny that the supposed fascist conservative are the ones calling for a non-partisan eduction. Tee minus 10 seconds for liberal to become outraged at the idea of firing liberal indoctrinator.

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  • HKS
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 3:21pm

    Well knock me over with a feather, I thought that was already illegal. If not it took us this long to figure out we have gubment schools?

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