Arizona Senate Pulls a Donald Trump With Birther Bill
- Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:36pm by
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A local ABC affiliate reports:
PHOENIX – The Arizona Senate has approved a revised bill requiring presidential candidates to prove they are U.S. citizens eligible to run for the office.
The bill approved Wednesday gives candidates additional ways to prove they meet the constitutional requirements to be president.
It was prompted by the ongoing claim by some that there is no proof President Barack Obama was born in the United States and is therefore ineligible to be president.
Democrats argued the bill exceeds the state‘s authority and say state officials are not fully qualified to determine the validity of a candidate’s documents.
Republicans argue the U.S. Constitution gives state legislatures the right to determine how federal elections are conducted.
The bill now goes to the House for a final vote.
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Comments (286)
ltb
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:49pmWhy did Obama spend $2 MILLION trying to hide his birth certificate from the American People?
Report Post »bill oswald
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:49pmPoor Obama. This is not going away no matter how strongly the liberal press tries to protect him. Now we are hearing a Saudi family paid Harvard 20 million to get Barry Soetoro into the liberal establishment and withhold his grades.
Report Post »vennoye
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 6:28pmYou know, I’ve also heard that the Saudis “bought” his way into the colleges. Wonder how much King Abdullah bin Abdul-Aziz is going to contribute to the re-election bill since he is so angry over Egypt.
Report Post »SUNBURST
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:49pmGood for them.
Report Post »I mean HELLO……..IT’S ONLY A CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENT.
temple62
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:49pmThis is as it should. We have had our fill of this illegal in the White House and thank God for Donald Trump – the only conservative with the guts to do the right things!
Report Post »benrush
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:48pmLike I said, we Americans are impotent. And the communists know it. They know we don’t have the guts or the will to man up and demand the simplest civic duties be done – by anyone. They are here and they have no fear because we are unarmed and extremely docile.
Report Post »Ellbee
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:48pmProve it
Report Post »gotta light
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:47pmI sure hope more states follow through..
hey bud, gotta light?
Report Post »Canuck
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:47pmI am too stupid to live.
Report Post »Ellbee
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:47pm1 down, 56 errr…49 to go.
Report Post »Mainer forever
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:47pmI LOVE the way the people in Arizona think.
Report Post »tea1776
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:46pmWay to go Arizona. Every state in the union should get behind you and do the same thing.
Report Post »Of course the Dumb-ocrats will be crying.
tea1776
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:57pmArizona has what all states should have.
Report Post »Vickie Dhaene
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:46pmThe “Constitution” gives them the right. They are sworn in to uphold the Constitution and therefore they have a right to police themselves and anyone that joins in the Force. Any breach of the Oath should be an offense with serious consequence.
Report Post »jfreak13713
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:46pmSmoke Screen! This is what Obama wants people talking about because it makes them look crazy and him the victim. However, this is still America and people have a right to their voice their opinion. For the record I believe he is a citizen but if by some chance he is not and somebody was powerful enough to pull this off there is little chance of ever finding that evidence.
Going foward the American people should demand proof of citizenship so I support the law.
Report Post »Country
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:46pmWhile they are at it, let’s have a look at the college records too so we can see what did of idiots are running.
Report Post »Dr. Insane O
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:45pmBill passes and then is challenged in the 9th Circuit Court where it is ruled unconstitutional
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:57pmThere are no laws either State or Federal to date speaking to “whom” verifies eligibility of candidates. As it stands now, the “ parties” do, or are supposed to verify them.
No appeal of the law would therefor be viable because there is no precedence on which to compare it too. If this bill passes into law, then it would be the bellwether.
You rock Arizona!
Report Post »earthrise
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:19pmWhy, yes……… yes We do!!!
Chuckle…. ;)
Report Post »APEXIdaho
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 8:23pmIsn’t the Sec. of State of each state supposed to approve of the qualifications of the people on their ballot.
Report Post »Marylou7
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:44pmYeah Arizona. Why shouldn’t someone have to show their birth certificate to run for President of the United States of America. I had to present it to get my driver’s license.
Report Post »Blackhawk1
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:08pmI had to show my original long form when I joined the Army. Why doesn’t the Commander in Chief have to do the same?
Report Post »Buzzsaw
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:43pmBravo more States need to force the issue.
Report Post »Cold War Vet
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:42pmWell Hot Damn! A step in the right direction. Especially with all the immigration and border problems they have in Arizona. I wish the other 49 states would do this immediately!
Don’t worry about the democrats who are already whining over this. Who cares what a bunch of criminal scum, America-haters think anyway?
Way to go Arizona!
Report Post »lvamervet
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:00pmIsn’t that 57 States????
Report Post »earthrise
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:17pm… There are 57 islamic states…. hmmm.
Report Post »GODSAMERICA
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:42pm“Democrats argued the bill exceeds the state‘s authority and say state officials are not fully qualified to determine the validity of a candidate’s documents.”
Report Post »I would have to say that if that was the case then how could Hawaii determiine the validity of obama without showing his true birth certificate.
Hell of the Upside Down Sinners
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:45pmShhh
Report Post »RightUnite
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:50pmOhhhh!! Good point!
Report Post »GODSAMERICA
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:54pm@Hell of the Upside Down Sinners
Report Post »OOPS, sorry I almost gave the secret away.
Bobert
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:02pmHey Democrats,
Maybe you should try reading the recent memorandum written for the subject “Qualifications for the Office of President of the United States and Legal Challenges to the Eligibility of a Candidate” by Jack Maskell, the legislative attorney in the American Law Division of the Congressional Research Service (the research division of the US Congress) which states, in part:
“Concerning the production or release of an original birth certificate, it should be noted that there is no federal law, regulation, rule, guideline, or requirement that a candidate for federal office produce his or her original birth certificate, or a certified copy of the record of live birth, to any official of the United States government; nor is there a requirement for federal candidates to publicly release such personal record or documentation. Furthermore, there is no specific federal agency or office that ‘vets’ candidates for federal office as to qualifications or eligibility prior to return.”
and then goes on to state:
“The mechanics of elections of federal officials within the several states are administered under state law. The quadrennial presidential election, although required since 1845 to be held on the same day in each state is, in an administrative and operational sense, fifty-one separate elections in the states and the District of Columbia for presidential electors. States generally control, within the applicable constitutional parameters, the administrative issues, questions, and mechanisms of ballot placement and ballot access.”
Thus, the States may have discretionary authority to question a candidate’s eligibility to run for federal office, but only if they have a State law allowing them to do so. Arizona just “fixed” that gap by creating a “State law” to allow them to check on eligibility!
Report Post »cheezwhiz
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:23pmI would have to say that if that was the case then how could Hawaii determiine the validity of obama without showing his true birth certificate.
Report Post »————
Thats because the Factor investigated and said it was OK
:D
ruthwarrick
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 6:31pmvery good point
Report Post »Reagan4President
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:42pmI hope he gets impeached for not being American
Report Post »KewlBigDan
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:23pmCall me kooky, but I grew up in Kenya. I think his USA Mother adopted him (father‘s kenyan 1st wife’s actual son) and that is why they can’t produce it.
Report Post »Patrick Henry II
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:29pmCould you imagine if he just got deported! lol…
Report Post »All this conjecture is because of the sealed records of his past.
This has never happened before and people are left to imagine the worst.
We need transparency.
felina g
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:30pmGotta see da papuz…….see da papuz.
“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution” .-Abraham Lincoln
Report Post »upstateny
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 11:08amPatrick Henry II, We can’t deport him he has too much knowledge of the countries secrets. I have read that Cuba has great weather.
Report Post »DagneyT
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:42pmTexas has taken similar action. Great minds think alike! Should be interesting to see how many states do the same!
Report Post »nacilbuper
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:48pmHuh, and then Texas did not get a space shuttle….
Report Post »Antilib
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:12pm@ DagneyT
Love your name btw…assuming it’s a reference to Atlas.
It’s a shame that the only two states with the nuggets to pass such a fantastic law (AZ & TX) are both red state already. It doesn’t even matter if Barry is on the ballot in these states.
It’s always so amusing to watch the libs get all up in arms when conservatives try to pass laws that uphold and defend the Constitution.
Report Post »Hell of the Upside Down Sinners
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:42pmFinally, so now (if it passes and holds up against the coming lawsuits) when Barry makes a run in 2012 he will have to prove hes a citizen under Arizona law. This is great news. I hope the requirements to prove citizenship are not weak.
Report Post »JJCon
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:05pmYes and no. Arizona (or any state) can set the necessary qualifications for allowing a candidate’s name to appear on their ballots. There is no standard in place. This will be hard to overturn, although I never doubt the 9th Circus. However, not appearing on the ballot of state that one would never win, isn’t going to force anyone to comply. We need to see more states, particularly swing-states, adopting these qualifications before it’ll make a difference.
Report Post »thegrassroots
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 6:37pmI just looked at politico.com and this bill is “a revised version of an earlier bill that would have required each candidate to provide a ‘long-form’ birth certificate, also gives candidates the option of instead providing two of the following documents: an early baptismal or circumcision certificate, a hospital birth record, a postpartum hospital record for the mother or an early census record.”
Don’t know if this “revised version” is too watered down, or not. I’m thinking AZ should have stayed with the original version of the bill which required a “long-form birth certificate” only. Everyone born in the USA either has one or can, very easily, get a “long-form” birth certificate.
Report Post »Susan Harkins
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:41pmBRAVO!
I fully support AZ!
Report Post »RLTW
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:17pmAnd if anyone wants to support a great Arizona product go to POF USA. They make great guns
Report Post »Awakened One
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:40pmJust show the darn birth certificate and put it to rest – if you can.
Report Post »DagneyT
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:48pmHe can’t, which is why he’s spent millions in court to keep from doing so.
Report Post »starchy
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:51pmWould it matter – I think we are all pretty sure his father was not a US citizen, thereby disqualifying him anyway.
Report Post »” No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
cheezwhiz
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:53pmJust show the darn birth certificate and put it to rest – if you can.
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Hey Dan Rather is working on it :P
A good dish takes time to cook
bobodu
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:58pmThe more you harp on this…the stupider you look.
Report Post »Keep it up.
Justthefactsmam
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:01pm@Starchy His mother was a US citizen, and the way the 14th amendment is used it wouldn’t matter if neither parent was a US citizen. Ever hear of “anchor babies”?
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:04pmBOBDU:
Report Post »Who ya gonna run now, Mr. Clinton the second, bwaaahaaahaaaaaaaa!
cheezwhiz
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:11pm@ Justthefactsmam
Report Post »And we know whats the first thing that parents of anchor babies do ,
get a SS# for the baby ……for the rest of the illegal’s family to use for jobs as well as :
welfare, food stamps, free housing, free medical, free education, free EVERYTHING
using that SS# under multiple names and @ multiple jurisdictions .
Bobert
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:14pmHey Justthefactsmam -
Report Post »The 14th amendmen MIGHT make a person a US Citizen – but it will not make them a “natural born Citizen”. I know you are slow, but there is a difference between the term US Citizen (which is required of a Congressman) and a “natural born Citizen” which is what is required to be POTUS.
1TrueOne55
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:31pmThe problem could be one of which I am very familiar with. If he was adopted by his step father then all birth documents are amended and the originals could have been destroyed. This would be the only reason that I could see for not disclosing his BC. Because it would show Soetoro as his birth father instead of Barak Sr.
I have personal experience with this issue since I had a mother that wanted me off my daughters BC and so she got married and had her then husband Adopt my daughter. After talking with my daughter about her birth certificate she told me that the birth certificate that contained my name as the birth father was destroyed and is not available to use as a legal document. I am thinking this might be the case with the President’s BC…
Report Post »Justthefactsmam
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 2:01am@Bobert Maybe you should read the 14th amendment, section one of the amendment reads as follows “All persons BORN or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” So if he was born in Hawaii, he would be a “natural born” citizen…And as every says it could be solved really simply…
Report Post »upstateny
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 11:05amJustthefactsmam
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 2:01am
@Bobert Maybe you should read the 14th amendment, section one of the amendment reads as follows “All persons BORN or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.
It’s apparent you are intellectually stunted. Nowhere in your attempt to flex your intellectual muscles does it state NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. The more you spout your dribble the more you prove your not just ignorant but stupid.
Report Post »Justthefactsmam
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 4:52pm@UPSTATENY Perhaps if you familiar with the constition you would know where the “natural born citizen” comes from, since you don’t, here it is, Article II, section 1 reads as follows:
Section 1 – The President
The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice-President chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:
Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.
(The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two persons, of whom one at least shall not lie an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; a quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two-thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice-President.) (This clause in parentheses was superseded by the 12th Amendment.)
The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.
No person except a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
(In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.) (This clause in parentheses has been modified by the 20th and 25th Amendments.)
Here is where the natural born citizen comes into play, since I am pretty sure no one is still around that was a citizen at the time of the adoption of the Constition. Please if you are going to try to argue with or belittle someone, know what you are talking about.
Report Post »and to the republic
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:39pm3 years too late but better late than never….
I Love Section 8 Housing
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:45pmArizona is the idiot capitol of the country. They’ve stolen the title from the south.
cheezwhiz
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:46pmSo when is Hussain unleashing his thugs, and idiots to accuse AZ of racism, fascism and bigotry ?
Report Post »RightWrite
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:48pmWhat does this mean? Will Barry Soetoro be required to show his long-form birth certificate, and also required to prove its validity? Will his name be withheld from any election ballots?
Report Post »demint.disciple
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:49pmWhy is it ALWAYS the democrats fighting against something that is right and a no brainer ?? while the repubs ALWAYS say yeah ok this is the right thing to do.. ?????
Report Post »thegrassroots
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:52pmWay To Go, Arizona! I hope all the states will do this!
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:53pmI love it!
Wouldn’t that mean the Marxist is going to have put up or get lost for the 2012 election???
Report Post »cheezwhiz
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:55pmI Love Section 8 Housing
Report Post »Arizona is the idiot capitol of the country. They’ve stolen the title from the south.
————
Welcome Lorrrrrrretttttta Sanchez ,
you’ll like it here !!
Koolaiders
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:58pmBoycott the racist far right wing Tea Party state of Arizona.
Dont buy anything from Arizona, dont go there on business or vacation.
Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:01pmNow it’s Connecticut, Georgia, Indiana, Iowa, Maine, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Texas’ turn.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=284561
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:02pmObama just released the following response to this news….
Report Post »“I will still win in seven states, you can never defeat me with only 50 ! Bwhaaahaaaaaa.”
hauschild
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:02pmI Love Section 8 Housing:
The South closed the education gap years ago and probably exceeds the North by now.
It’s like the world goes on and progressives remain oblivious to it.
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:03pmKoolaiders:
You tell ‘em, Scooter.
Good Lord, where do you people come from???
Report Post »cheezwhiz
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:03pmstate officials are not fully qualified to determine the validity of a candidate’s documents.
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Why ?
Don’t they know how to read ?
CatB
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:04pm@TO THE REPUBLIC
I believe that Mr. “Obama” is planning to run in 2012 .each state should require proof .. and what if he can’t .. Treason?
http://nowewont.ning.com/profiles/blogs/obama-may-have-a-criminal-past
Report Post »CatB
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:05pmLOL ..to progressives … we LOVE ARIZONA .. especially Sherrif Joe! TEA!
Report Post »The Big Pickle
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:05pmDEAR GOD,
Please let this bill pass and many others like it in the other States.
Amen
Report Post »CultureWarriors
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:06pmThis is truly awesome. Since Barry’s father was NOT a US citizen he is ineligible. Doesn’t matter if he was born in Hawaii in 1961 or not. Since he wont be on the ballot in Arizona how is the rest of the country going to justify having him on the ballot? Brilliant! You gotta love Arizona. There will be some trolls who don’t like this. Ignore them, they are mentally ill child abusers who want to steal from our children and grandchildren. Just remember trolls we’re not laughing with you, we’re laughing at you! :-p
Report Post »thegrassroots
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:10pm@ demint.disciple
Because — the dems are the least intelligent and the most immature among us!
Very Simply — they don’t know how to think for themselves!
They‘ve been drink’n the obama kool-aid too long and their brains are in such an over-saturated-stupor, they’ve followed each other off of the liberal cliff and fallen into lemming-lackey-ville.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:11pmAbout time it happened; and now the administration will try to put us to the sword in AZ for daring to do such things. (And if they really try to, would not suprise me one bit.)
Report Post »Bloody Sam
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:13pmThe Democraps don’t like it because their guy is in the WH. If this came about while Bush was in office…all roles would be reversed. So predictable are they.
Report Post »The Bill will pass and the Dems will get a Liberal judge to approve an injunction while it remains in court for well after the 2012 election. S.O.P.
APatriotFirst
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:17pmMakes about 10 or 12 states now doing this.
Report Post »KewlBigDan
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:19pmSorry but what we discussed in the other forum is correct. I think he cannot show a birth cert because his US mother adopted him in Kenya. I think he was the son of his father, but his mother was his fathers 1st wife is his actual mother. Which would make him completely ineligible. There is some reason he can’t produce that BC. Keep digging.
Report Post »streetrodder
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:20pm@Koolaiders, Keep drinking dumb A$$.
Report Post »Blackhawk1
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:23pmI like how Obama’s half sister Maya Soetoro said that she knows for sure he is a citizen because she remembers when they lived in Hawaii when they were kids. She is 40 years old and he is 49 so how could she possibly know that? Besides she was born in Jakarta, Indonesia Just another cover up!
Report Post »The_Rev_In_Co
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:25pmWe need all 57 states to do this!
Report Post »Magen_daveed7
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:30pmBoycott Arizona? I wish they would put a stamp on all their products cause if they did I would only but stuff that comes from Arizona. In fact if the other states don’t do the same as Arizona I would vote for Arizona to be renamed America and all the other states communist Russia. What I want to know is who fell asleep on their watch and allowed all these traitor communist and socialist to make such gains in the country?
Report Post »sfair
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:45pmWell, if the states cannot validate a birth certificate, we have a circular logic problem. The issue that we need to see the birth certificate. Since when have we become a people who are not free to ask questions?
Report Post »exdem
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:46pm@CHEEZ
Report Post »He already did over the AZ immigration law.
BetterDays
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:48pmI just checked and the Huff-n-puff Post isn’t even covering this story, it must really have them shaken up in socialized ville if they won’t even discuss it,…….Arizona you just made my day!
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:53pmBoycott all the Southern states and you won’t have a warm place to swim this summer, unless you want to swim with those nut job liberals, homos, Mexicans, and drug cartels out in California.
Report Post »SavingtheRepublic.com
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 6:22pmAll we need is a few states to do this and BHO will not run risking what he is truly hiding IMO his legal identity NOT his place of birth. His birth issue is nothing but a distraction and misdirection to keep lurking eyes off who he is legally. I have argued that his name was legally changed to Barry Soetoro when he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro when his mother remarried. Indonesia school records supports this as his registration into the school has him penned in as Barry Soetoro. When the marriage failed young Barry went to live with grandparents in Hawaii who probably never even gave it a thought that his name was changed due to adoption. They just started calling him Barry Obama not realizing his legal name is Soetoro. Let me be clear this is all done unmaliciously on his families part and IMO it struck him as an adult in an “oh sh*t” moment!
So what many of you are thinking?
If his name is in fact legally Barry Soetoro then he is committing identity fraud every single time he has signed his name Barack H Obama. The Presidency would be void, every single bill signed into law by BHO VOID, spending/deficit etc all under him void, military actions are illegal and would throw the US and potentially the world into complete chaos.
No one here can just start using another name tied to their family one way or another like using mothers maiden name etc in signing check, loans, bank notes, contracts, applications to schools, aid etc etc. You say Im wrong fine start using your fathers middleman with your mothers maiden name and try purchasing a home, car, getting a loan etc etc and see how far you get! Im telling you guys this is what BHO is hiding and sites like Factcheck (“Obama was legally adopted by his stepfather, Lolo Soetoro..” FactCheck.org 10/23/08) even support the theory in their debunking of the birther argument!
Report Post »rodamaa
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 6:23pmThe more pressure we put on these guys the better! Besides, I was never fully convinced about Obama’s birth certificate and the more I look into it, the more suspicious I get. Normally I would be proud about showing my birth certificate, specially if I was born here–which I was not–why would someone go through these extremes to hide their records? What does this guy have to hide? I have not heard a good answer to this yet. I am proud of showing my naturalization papers to whomever! What gives? Guys, we were not born yesterday.
I will not make any claims about Obama eligibility, just show your birth certificate and get it over with. The interesting question is what happens if he can’t produce a birth certificate? What I like about this bill is that if it becomes law. Eric–black panther–Holder might take Arizona to court to challenge. But is that a good strategy? That could prove to be even more interesting!
Report Post »BecksTheMan
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 6:27pmExcellent we all need to push our state officials to follow their excellent example.
Report Post »edcoil
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 6:29pmI don’t know what this does – a Cert of Live birth that he has seems to be enough.
Boone2
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 6:31pmSECTION 8 HOUSING is another area that is being seriously abused by allowing Illegal
Report Post »Aliens to be housed instead of American Citizens. This goes on daily at every Housing Authority across the U.S. and the general public is unaware of it. If you want to stop it and other abuses by the Open Border crowd got to:
http://www.NUMBERSUSA.COM and get active.Its FREE and it is extremely effective.
Stuck_in_CA
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 6:31pmUpdate: Breaking from Hawaii: No More Long-Form Birth Certificates!
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cheezwhiz
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 6:46pm@ Stuck_in_CA
Report Post »Lemme add another linky :
http://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2011/04/13/birthers-correct-factchecks-false-claims-about-trump/#more-9345
DaytonConserve
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 6:47pmHe will get a deem and pass from Reid and Pelosi to appoint him permanent El Presidente.
Report Post »Stuck_in_CA
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 6:56pmI like yours even better, Cheez. Do you think anything will ever come of this?
Report Post »BlazerBlazer
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:00pmKoolaiders: I say we should take our vacations in Arizona, purchase as much as we can from them. They are a state with a back bone to stand up to the Progressive/Socialist creeps…
Report Post »Beckofile
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:06pmI think that maybe the states have the right to do this since they are the ones who wrote the Constitution and created the Fed Gov with back then Limited Powers. Look up Nullification.
Report Post »cheezwhiz
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:10pm@ Stuck_in_CA
Report Post »I find it strange that everyone who is so enamoured with the Factcheck.org’s “theory” that the truth doesn’t even matter anymore. Case in point, in the morning I saw this article about BOR using “ facts” from this same sleazy Obama’s campaign website ( funded by the Annenberg foundation no less) to slam Trump, with all that “Factor investigations” schtick. I wonder how p1$$ed BOR will be if he has to retract the drivel he delivered yesterday !
APEXIdaho
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 8:09pmI ask my state house to pass a law that would require proof of constitutional elegibility to be on the ballot not just a BC and require it of all candidates that way it would not be able to be deemed descriminatory.
Report Post »Sgt.Crust
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 8:12pmAnd I’ll TRUMP your Ace of spades with my 2 of Hearts, LOL!!!!
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 8:12pmThis Bill is not necessary because the Constitution already demands that candidates prove they are citizens.
US Constitution, Article 2, Section 1
“”No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; …”
Report Post »Sgt.Crust
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 8:13pmI Love Section 8 Housing, coming from an idiot like you, I take comfort in your words, anything you dislike, I like, you betcha! ROFLOL
Report Post »oldsouthernrebel
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 8:25pmTo: I love section 8 housing: Those who live in section 8 housing are too sorry to do any better. Get a job! and get a life! Idiot!!!!!
Report Post »bilbo9207
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 9:00pmactually az had this for a few years now. It used to say a birth cert had to be provided now they are opening up more things with this one. If you ask me they caved
Report Post »Tea Party Conservatism
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 9:27pmThis is all very well and good at forcing Barry to produce a vault (long form) birth certificate which he most likely does not have. But why only require proof of citizenship? That’s only good for Congressional eligibility.
The Constitution uniquely requires only the President to be NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. They stipulated that being a “citizen” is adequate for Congressional eligibility but they purposefully and specifically required a “natural born citizen” for the President.
Report Post »rwinger261
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 9:49pmIf it’s that bad, then let’s just part ways and be friends. Sorry, I forgot we tried that before and killed over half a million of us.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 10:09pmThis news is breaking: This is bad news for Obama.
This is what we know so far. We get more info on Jean Paul Ludwig, who was born in 1890, had CT SSN obtained in 1976 and died in HI around 1981. There are 2 SS numbers for him and records show him dying in 2 different states: CA and HI around 1981.
The reason this is important, is because there is a similar fact pattern to Obama. Barack Obama is residing today in the White House, using CT SS number 042-68-4425, issued in CT in and around March 1977 to an elderly individual named John Paul Ludwig, who was born in 1890, who is presumed dead and whose death was either never reported to the SS administration or reported and deleted from the database by someone.
Obama’s maternal grandmother Madelyn Dunham, worked as a part-timer or volunteer in the Probate Office in the Honolulu Hawaii Courthouse. Thus she would have access to the estate files of anyone who died there. Thus if the elderly man originally from CT died intestate in Hawaii with no known relatives, Grandma Dunham would have known this person is a prime candidate to steal the SSN of since there would be no known surviving family worrying about the death benefit from SSN and that the benefit was not likely applied for and thus SSA did not know he died. Thus the SSN remained active for the deceased person and Obama could “adopt” it as his own. This is a clear case of identity theft at the federal level.
This is what we know about Ludwig:
In 1924, Jean Paul Ludwig worked for Senator Reed of PA, in Washington DC.
On the ship manifest of ‘Leviathan’, he listed Senator Reed in Washington, DC as his empl., in answer to where he intended to live in the US.
Jean Paul Ludwig had been in the US for 3 yrs in 1924, but he was listed on the “Immigration” manifest and refered to as an alien in the column headings.
Listed under “States Immigration Officer at Port of Arrival”, New York, Aug 12, 1924:
Jean Paul Ludwig, Date of Arrival: Aug 12, 1924, Port of Departure:
Cherbourg, France, Line#: 0008
Line #8: By Whom was Passage Paid: Emp. Mr. Reed; Whether in possession of $50: Yes; Whether ever before in US: Yes; If Yes-Period of Years: 3; Where: PA
Whether going to join relative or friend: Empl. Senator Reed, Washingto, DC
Length of time alien intends to remain in the US: Always
Height 5′5″, Complexion Dk., Hair Br., Eyes Br., Marks of ID: None
Place of Birth: France, Ammersville.
Report Post »thepimpernel
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 10:39pmO.K. kids, listen up. Follow this carefully. In 2001 on his way out the Gov. of Hawaii, Ben Cayetano, a really good friend of our Pres., they both speak highly of each other, threw a bizarre little house resolution amendment into his last governor’s package during the regular session of 2001 (left 2002).
According to the obama timeline, a MASTERFUL research project found on colony14.net (Don Frederick, and absolutely check this one out) the Marxists and I would imagine a link there to Soros in Chicago were thinking Barry Sotero was destined for much bigger things….about 1999 that was. But there was one big problem, Illinois was about the only state that didn’t require a birth certificate to run for office. Just had to say you were American, I guess. But to go further, a certificate was probably required somewhere I would hope. Now, back to Hawaii….
Out of space, heaven, the rabbit hole, you figure out where it came from, the leftist friend of Obama puts an amendment to 338 which, if you pull it up and read it, you will see has a section 2 a through g which precludes all form of persons, groups, lawyers, lawsuits, governments or God Himself from seeing anyone’s original CERTIIFIED birth certificate.
To help push this through, the thoroughly socialist/marxist Lt. Governor (member in standing of DSA, as well as 74 other representatives of the House) “introduced” this legislation to both the house and senate. It was pretty much ramrodded through. Of the 7 committee reports, mostly by men who have since left office in Hawaii and are MIA’s for any personal contact or questioning, the main thing said was paraphrased as such:
We have to this point always given out only a copy of the original birth certificate to ANYONE asking for a birth certificate. (i.e., we have never ever used a thing called “certification of live birth).
But we see how important this amendment is blocking every single attempt by any group, person, lawyer or government to ever see an actual certified birth certificate of anyone. The actual person may receive a copy of his/her certified certificate if they ask, but no one else on earth in concert with anyone else on earth under any conceivable combination of circumstances shall be able to see the original document.
[again, I paraphrase, but read it for yourself and it could have been worded as above] The reason we (the several committees agreeing to pass this bizarre amendment out of the clear blue sky) are approving this ludicrous paper is because taking the original out of the file drawer and walking it to another work area where someone will then take a new piece of birth certificate paper and type upon it the bare facts or birth
(and I quote the line seen in all committee reports submitted in the four months it took to pass this through) this retyping of the document “PROVIDES A MORE EXEDITIOUS AND EXPEDIENT METHOD OF PROVIDING” someone with a copy of their birth certificate on file with the DOH in Hawaii.
That was the reason. The retyping of the document on new and expensive “live certificate” paper was much faster and cheaper than putting the real document on a xerox machine and hitting the button.
They all agreed on that. That was the reason everyone gave in the committee reports.
I have it all. Anyone interested in seeing for themselves let me know.
When Trump was told by Abercrombie that “he would TRY to get a copy” he lied like the socialist one-worlder he is. He was there during the legislation, and I believe he might be one of the people who requested it. Ben Cayatano put it in his package as BR or By Request of someone else, not me, I’m not the one who thought this up.
Repeated calls to everyone involved has not brought up the name of the By Requestor, but it came out of Chicago I will put odds of 85 to 15 on that, if I gambled, which I don’t, 85 to 15 sounds about like the statistical coincidence.
One Brian Kanno departed from the same memo all of the committees were obviously given with the exact same wording, so it was passed around by Lt. Gov. Hirono, I guess, a lefty-leftist and I am quite sure a good friend of our Pres. To not know her, when he was absolute close and best buddies with her co-worker, the now Gov. of Hawaii, Abercrombie, well, lets look at it this way…..
Given that there is a possibility that one million monkeys who were placed before typewriters and shown how to beat their fingers on the keys, one of them might actually write King Lear.
Then the same logic could be used to say that a gaggle of close friends of an aspiring super leftist, highly connected in Marxist circles person of mixed blood, so popular in the Islands, out of the clear blue sky suddenly enact the law that would tear this country almost apart now for 2 years at least, and enable the sitting president to by-pass God and the Supreme Court and utterly absolutely refuse to show his origianl birth certificate, which is the only thing he COULD have received from the State of Hawaii in all those aspiring years college-ing, traveling, working, conniving his way into office in Illinois (please read colony 14.net history of that scam man working the crowd and the locals)….
Hope you’re still with me here, because IF that is all by coicidence, not a set-up of massive collusion, duplicity and possibly trasonous behaviors on the part of those in the know using those who really didn’t know or care, then my final verdict is that such a pure coicidence with no other purpose than pure coincidence is a parallel preposterous presumption to a million monkeys writing King Lear.
So. You go, Donald Trump, because you need to clear this up for me and millions of others. It just ain’t right, stinks to high heaven. This guy has either NEVER had proof of birth as an American, or the original certificate is ALL he ever had and he went to the trouble of requesting a new “live certificate of birth” from Hawaii after 2001, because before 2002 there was no thing he’s put on the internet as proof.
And what if he knew all the time it didn’t matter because the home boys locked it up for him in 2001.
It’s heavy stuff. I think it’s senate investigation stuff just to clear the air, but don’t hold your breathe on that. If Glenn hasn’t waked the dead, no one is going to be able to do it.
Anyone who feels what I have found on the internet government website is interesting, please spread it around at the speed of light.
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 11:32pmGo AZ pass the law NOW….
Report Post »JJ Coolay
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 12:22amThis is great news.
I wonder 2 things: Will this hold up or will Eric Holder file a lawsuit against it????
And, if this passes, will it force BO to supply a long form Brith Cert before the 2012 election or is he grandfathered?
Report Post »JJ Coolay
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 12:25amDemocrats argued the bill exceeds the state‘s authority and say state officials are not fully qualified to determine the validity of a candidate’s documents.
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This is quite the ridiculous argument!!
Who then can determine the validity of one’s documents if state officials cannot?
Report Post »The Third Archon
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 1:11amTESTIFY Brotha Section 8; you PREACH THE TRUTH, AMEN PRAISE JESUS
Report Post »Mikeyyy
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 3:22amNice move Arizona!
Report Post »avenger
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 6:11amway to go AZ…love that state ! more libbies will be ******* in their panties…
Report Post »nptden
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 10:33pmhttp://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_alinskys_rule.html
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