Army Reservist Could Face Discipline for Speaking at Ron Paul Rally in Fatigues
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28-year-old Army reservist Cpl. Jesse Thorsen could face disciplinary action after he violated military code by speaking at a rally in support of GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul while wearing his fatigues. Thorsen reportedly preceded his appearance at the rally with an interview on CNN.
Fox News explains why Thorsen was considered to be in violation of military code:
According to the Defense Department directive on political activities by military members, active duty forces are encouraged to vote and can sign petitions, serve as polling volunteers, contribute to campaigns and display political bumper stickers on their private vehicles.
However, they may not “participate in partisan political fundraising activities … rallies, conventions (including making speeches in the course thereof), management of campaigns, or debates, either on one’s own behalf or on that of another, without respect to uniform or inference or appearance of official sponsorship, approval, or endorsement.”
They also may not “speak before a partisan political gathering, including any gathering that promotes a partisan political party, candidate, or cause“ or ”participate in any radio, television or other program or group discussion as an advocate for or against a partisan political party, candidate or cause.”
The directive adds that, unlike active-duty, non-active duty military members may participate in political activities, “provided the member is not in uniform and does not otherwise act in a manner that could reasonably give rise to the inference or appearance of official sponsorship, approval, or endorsement.”
Fox adds:
Whether Thorsen, who reportedly has not been on active duty since October, will face disciplinary action remains to be seen. A Reserve spokeswoman was not immediately available to discuss his case.
But Thorsen’s actions may be indicative of what the Texas congressman boasts is his significant military support. The Paul campaign claims it receives more fundraising dollars from military members than any other Republican presidential candidate.
According to Fox, 2011 third-quarter financial reporting reveals that while Paul was third on the list in terms of overall fundraising, he has out-raised his rivals in military donations.
According to the Center for Responsive Politics, Paul collected $95,567 in campaign contributions through Sept. 30, 2011, from people who list their occupation as one of the branches of the U.S. military or Defense Department — topping every other 2012 candidate, including Obama, who raised $72,616 through that reporting period.
Former Air Force pilot and current New Hampshire state senator Jim Forsythe told Fox that Paul’s policies would actually strengthen the military:
“I served overseas and Dr. Paul understands what a lot of people don’t — there’s a big distinction between military spending and defense spending,” he said. “Spending money overseas makes us weaker economically. It also does nothing to strengthen our defense, whereas having our troops here at home does that,” he said.
Why do you think Paul, who favors what critics consider isolationist policies, is receiving more military contributions than any other candidate currently vying for the Republican nomination?
Watch Thorsen speak at Paul’s rally below:
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Comments (375)
sheerterror
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:36pmRon Paul 2012
Report Post »FreedomPurveyor
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 7:02pmJust out of curiosity, would you be conflicted if it were Romney-Paul 2012?
Report Post »schroeder123
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 7:06pmYes !!
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 7:10pmEvery military person knows about this rule. But, as usual, Ron Paul fans think they are above the law and don’t like following the rules they voluntarily signed up to obey. Ron Paul also knows about this rule and should never have let him appear until he changed his clothes. But, he’s the great Ron Paul and can do whatever he wants to. Ron Paul reminds me of Obama and his fans remind me of the OWS crowd. Just my opinion so all you RP fans please don’t tell me to shut up and keep quite.
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 7:14pmI wouldnt love a Rommney Paul ticket, but hell yeah I would vote for them
Report Post »FreedomPurveyor
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 7:20pmI’m sure Cpl. Thorsen decided it was well worth it. Look at the attention that it brings to the fact that our troops support Ron Paul. He wouldn’t have brought any attention to it by wearing civilian clothes.
Report Post »Mtremblay
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 7:24pmWhile I know this is illegal for us, what about all the fools at Occupy Wall Street? Not one investigation from it. Interesting
Report Post »Scottsman
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 7:25pm@THE-MONK, you are dead wrong about “Every military person knows about this rule. But, as usual, Ron Paul fans”…
I served 22 years, and typically corporals and junior enlisted and even junior officers do not know this rule. However, they will still be held accountable. You would have to be a freakin’ lawyer to know all the stupid rules our military signs up for. That’s why the military has commisioned laywers.
So don’t go around saying “Ron Paul fans think they are above the law and don’t like following the rules”…
And then you won’t be told “shut up and keep quite (sic)” … in your own words.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 7:29pm@FreedomPurveyor
“Look at the attention that it brings to the fact that our troops support Ron Paul.”
Some of our troops support RP but not all do. Am I wrong?
“He wouldn’t have brought any attention to it by wearing civilian clothes.”
He could have said that he was active in the military, given his rank and tours of duty. Would that have brought the same attention or less?
Report Post »Ookspay
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 7:33pmFreedomPurveyor Posted, “Just out of curiosity, would you be conflicted if it were Romney-Paul 2012?”
If that ticket was elected, Romney wouldn’t survive long enough to dance at the first innaugural ball.
Report Post »c0mm0nsense
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 7:55pmWhat are they going to do with him? Kick him out! Tell him he cant go back into battle?
Report Post »FreedomPurveyor
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 7:57pm“He could have said that he was active in the military, given his rank and tours of duty. Would that have brought the same attention or less?”
Less, I don‘t think there’d be a news story about how he got in trouble for doing it.
“If that ticket was elected, Romney wouldn’t survive long enough to dance at the first innaugural ball.”
Hmm… I‘m sure he’d be fine………………………..
Report Post »American Soldier (Separated)
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 8:03pmHad it been me, I would have worn my uniform.
Him doing it in uniform does say something, especially if he knew he wasn’t suppose to. It shows that he was willing to risk his career and his future to stand up for Ron Paul and his message of freedom. That’s the conviction he has towards the ideals of freedom and the Constitution. Good luck finding someone passionate enough to do this in support of Newt or Romney.
Report Post »Spirit of 2012
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 8:08pmI for one am Grateful for the Ron Paul movement. My thoughts when Obama was elected were that finally , the people would wake up and see the result of the game that has been played by the politicians for their own benefits… at our cost. I think that we all see the games that the media is playing on us as well.. all they say is that his fiscal policies are great…but the foreign affairs.. oh so terrible. Frankly I don’t think they are terrible…I think they are the way it should be. However… in order to convince the undecided voters…wouldn’t it be a great idea for Ron to come out and explain that indeed if America was to be attacked by a foreign invader ( since this is what the media is so afraid of ) , that he would indeed enact the US Military to defend our country… I think he needs to emphasize and expand on this point in a way to make the undecided understand that he is not shutting down our Military. Only restructuring it in a way that will be beneficial to “ We The People ” of this Nation…. not to the Globalization movement our Government has sold it’s sold to the devil for …
Report Post »C. Schwehr
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 8:14pmYeah, let’s split the conservative vote and allow Romney to get the candidacy while more qualified people are being destroyed by the attack adds of Ron Paul….And thanks for getting that kid in trouble with his superiors. As a former Air Force officer, he most of all should know better and never allowed that kid to be seen at the rally. HE KNOWS BETTER!
Besides, it’s well known that only Obama is authorized to have military people in uniform at his political rallys!
Report Post »William Hemenway
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 8:17pmRon Paul is a politician just like the rest make no mistake
Report Post »Rowgue
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 8:19pm@SCOTTSMAN
That’s BS. This is in the regulations that outline when it’s appropriate to where each of your uniforms, which every service member is required to know. It isn‘t in some obscure regulation about what you’re allowed to do in support of a political cause.
Report Post »KTsayz
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 8:20pmThe truth is that now we have the NDAA which will use our troops to police and capture innocent Americans for no other reason than a president’s whim. The NDAA has nullified Posse Comitatus and made the military the president’s personal police force.
Report Post »I can‘t know Thorsen’s reasons are for doing what he did, but it was a brave move and I congratulate him for it.
Obummer uses the military as props all the time. Bernanke recently used them as props, too. It’s about time the military are given their voice back. It’s too weird to me that they are the ones defending our country and Constitution and yet they are prevented from asserting their 1st Amendment right. I understand many feel the uniform is sacred, but now that our American uniform includes that stupid ****** hijab/headscarf, how sacred is it really?
PoliticiansRCrooks
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 8:43pmThe-Monk – Understand what liberty means before you start talking like a commie. Things need to be changed. Military men should be able to do what ever they want & if we think were above the law, than fine sure why not. The rules & regulations & laws in this Country are by far way too extreme & we need a change. Leave the military man alone. Sad to see the media & people like you looking for a way to get this military man in trouble. SHAME ON YOU!
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 8:55pmAdam Kokesh was the last guy that I am aware of that got into trouble by wearin his uniform..he was a Corporal in the Marine Corps Reserve/ Here is an impassioned speech by Adam.
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkVsbJh7KkM
Scottsman
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 9:04pm@ROWGE, before you start calling BS on me and talking about “some obscure regulation”, you had better be able to recite abot 100,000 pages of military and federal regulations from memory. All regulations are obscure because the are buried in a huge pile of regulations.
You are not a lawyer, and neither am I.
Report Post »DrillSgt
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 9:14pm@PoliticiansRCrooks – Like your name, but you are WAY off on this subject. Soldiers volunteer, with the understanding that, not only are they required to follow Federal and State laws, but also the UCMJ. At times (NOT during training) Soldiers are expected to act, without regard to their personal safety, to ensure the accomplishment of a mission. A Soldier whining about his/her “rights” is not an option under these situations. To follow orders, all facets of a Soldiers life must be disciplined and influenced by the UCMJ. The fact that we offer our lives in defense of the liberties of others, who may never appreciate it, is something that mature, responsible adults, who choose to be Soldiers, accept. As far as junior enlisted Soldiers and NCO’s not knowing the rules about proper uniform wear. BS! Classes are taught in BCT which tell Soldiers they CAN NOT wear the uniform and speak at political events. If a Soldier sleeps through it (shame on you Drill Sergeant ;) ) then that is his/her mistake! I have personally taught quite a few of those classes. Also, about the individuals wearing their uniforms at OWS, they SHOULD be charged under UCMJ, if applicable. If their COC doesn’t do anything, then they are doing the military and that Service Member no benefit.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 9:14pm@COMMON What are they gonna do? Kick him out and tell him he can’t go into battle? If I am not mistaken Common..I think that is exactly what happened to Adam Kokesh..He was a Corporal the Marine Corp Reserves and he got busted down in the first incident then busted down even further for another..He is an awesome speaker..I believe he was supporting Ron Paul..Check out that link I provided below..Been awhile since I read about Adam but I think that he’e a Jewish guy..These men have a fire and a passion in them.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 9:16pmC0MM0NSENSE He will enjoy a demotion and a loss in pay.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 9:19pm@FREEDOM PURVEYOR..Paul and Romney have different goals..As I recall..Romney had said something in his campaign speech at one point that he wanted to bring the troops home and the interviewes inbox was flooded the next day with people saying that he was putting out the wrong message..so although I think he wants to do some of the thing Paul would do..he can’t..Seems as if he is owned..and he would have to play the game. Romney is not a Constitutionalist..has not favored the 2nd amendment is big government ..progressive on taxes..All are going to be progressives except for Paul…
Report Post »Doctor Nordo
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 9:20pm@ROWGUE
“That’s BS. This is in the regulations that outline when it’s appropriate to where each of your uniforms, which every service member is required to know. It isn‘t in some obscure regulation about what you’re allowed to do in support of a political cause.”
Well, veteran of two foreign wars here and I had no idea that this was regulation. Most enlisted servicemen don’t think about this kind of crap too much. We’re too busy…you know, doing our jobs. There is simply no way that anyone except, MAYBE, a JAG could possibly have every regulation memorized.
So much for your theory.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 9:23pmAMERICAN SOLDIER (SEPARATED) don’t you mean stupid enough?
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 9:27pm@PoliticiansRCrooks
“The-Monk – Understand what liberty means before you start talking like a commie. Things need to be changed. Military men should be able to do what ever they want & if we think were above the law, than fine sure why not. The rules & regulations & laws in this Country are by far way too extreme & we need a change. Leave the military man alone. Sad to see the media & people like you looking for a way to get this military man in trouble. SHAME ON YOU!”
Should the military men be allowed to grow their hair to any length they want? Should they be allowed to die their uniforms pink if they want to? You did say, ” Military men should be able to do what ever they want & if we think were above the law, than fine sure why not.”
Come on back PoliticiansRCrooks….
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 9:32pm@PoliticiansRCrooks
“The-Monk – Understand what liberty means before you start talking like a commie.”
My understanding of what “Liberty” means in the military is time off from the military. Like shore leave. You do understand this definition don’t you?
Come on back….
Report Post »Scottsman
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 9:40pm@DRILLSGT, you had better not be calling BS on me with your comment “As far as junior enlisted Soldiers and NCO’s not knowing the rules about proper uniform wear. BS! ” Each of the 4 services have uniform regs about 500 pages each just so you can dress yourself properly when you wake up.
Because in your earlier comment you said “not only are they required to follow Federal and State laws, but also the UCMJ.”
Do you really have all Federal and State laws, and the UCMJ memorized word for word and follow every one every day? I’m calling BS on you!
I used to teach Senior Military Leadership, not BCT like you. And the senior military personnel would argue for hours about uniform requirements, which rules were important, which rules where in conflict, what each rule actually meant, what rules should be enforced, etc… etc… Yeah, let’s just blame the young recruits for not being robots.
Report Post »PoliticiansRCrooks
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 9:52pm@DrillSgt – He didn’t say anything political. He was more like pumping up the crowd type & he said nothing bad about the Commander 7& Chief we have now, so i just don’t see whats wrong with this but I see where your coming from & I know how strict our military is.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 9:53pm“George Washington was well aware of the symbolism of personal attire. When the Second Continental Congress assembled in Philadelphia in 1775, he was the only delegate in military uniform, for he wished to demonstrate Virginia’s willingness to aid Massachusetts, already fighting British troops.” http://www.georgewashington.si.edu/portrait/dress.html
Report Post »PoliticiansRCrooks
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 9:58pm@ The-Monk – I think your misunderstanding where I am coming from. Do you know how many regulations they have to know? There are by far so many that there is no way every soldier has them memorized. I meant by above the law by meaning military men should be able to speak how they feel about there President. It feels like they treat them like pawns. ” Go fight for me, but you have no say because I am your boss & when you come home, you have no say either”. I think its wrong, but I see where your all coming from, its a mixed situation. I just feel like the media went out to get him in trouble on purpose.
Report Post »SgtB
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 10:01pm@ The Monk, You say that every military person knows about this “rule”. Do you mean the rule that disavows members of the US military from their 1st amendment rights? I‘ll agree that he shouldn’t have been in utilities, especially since I was in the USMC and we weren’t even allowed to wear them to get gas on our way home. It got so bad that they tried to keep us from leaving base on a motorcycle in cammies. Even if we were on our way to or from work. Talk about some BS, which is why I never followed that “rule”, nor did I follow the “rule” that said I couldn’t take part in any political activity.
The “rule” as you call it is supposed to keep the military complex from influencing political elections. The rule itself goes far beyond this safeguard however and denies members the same rights that their service guarantees for others. I say that so long as a person states clearly that they are not representing the service, but that they are representing themselves only, then it is perfectly fine.
Oh, and one last thing…
Ron Paul 2012,
Unless you want a draft dodger who believes in anthropogenic global climate change and cheats on his wives or a man who thinks it is perfectly okay to force citizens to buy health insurance and doesn’t know how to slash the federal budget to avoid bankruptcy through stagflation.
Report Post »c0mm0nsense
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 10:01pmI think the recovering Alcoholic that runs this place has been using Goebbels style tactics on anyone that is a friend or ally of Dr. Paul. Just look at all the stories here about Paul, its all to discredit him or anyone that supports him. And to prop up who he supports. This site has turned into a propaganda machine. The he has turned into what he was fighting against.
Report Post »SgtB
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 10:07pmC-SCHWER brought up one HELL of a point! How many times does the campaigner in chief get his photo taken with members of the military and how many are invited to his political speeches in uniform or better yet, ordered to be present and smiling? I’ll tell you one thing, if I were ever in my uniform and ordered to see one of Obama’s political speeches or rallies, I’d let him have it. They’d have to call the SS after me. Not even the Commandant himself could order me to shut up at that point.
Report Post »booger71
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 10:14pmI served 22 years, and typically corporals and junior enlisted and even junior officers do not know this rule
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That’s odd, I learned it in boot camp
ashestoashes
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 10:14pm@ALL Paul Friends…did you guys check out the latest Ron Paul Video spoof on the other GOP candidates? http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2012/01/05/pro-paul-pac-tears-into-gop-candidates-in-parody-ads/
Report Post »Paul Revere
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 10:18pmHey Glenn your reverse psychology is not working. After all the teaching you‘ve done a majority of your followers still don’t get that the solution is the constitution. Ron Paul is the only candidate people! Do your home work. Glenn is doing all he can to keep the RP folks here debating with you because he can’t jeopardize his forum in light of all the potential laws. He has spent 3 years teaching it… RP is the answer!
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 10:21pm@COMMON…The He has turned into what he has fought against..I agree..I saw the episode you were telling me about..Wow..he turned tail trying to promote his candidate and seriously trashing Paul..even John McCain had worked for that person..and it seems to me that said person pretty much owns Washington..would probably be hard to find anyone who hadn’t been an associate of some sort..Very poor tactics on his part..I mean it looked like both ends playing against the middle..so I am going to choose the end who has supported us by his voting record and who wants to reinstate our Constitution..It‘s Ron Paul or it’s big government and the total financial collapse of America..and no defense.
Report Post »Scottsman
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 10:25pm@SGTB, I love the fact that you broght up cammies on a motorcycle. In another example: I wore the same bright red jacket onto the base for over 1 year riding my motorcylce with no problems, until one day a newly assigned gate guard stopped me for not wearing an orange vest. To make a long story short “we had words”. That’s how rediculous extensive military regulations can be, and it’s not just uniforms, but every day work. Most regs are with good intentions, but extensive and complicated, and created and trained by to many different echelons.
Report Post »TheBMT
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 10:37pmAll Paul did was let the man finish what he was saying when he was being interviewed by CNN earlier that day. CNN had technical difficulties and the interview got dropped just as he started to get into discussing things. Things happen and people make mistakes. If the guy gets punished for it, so be it. He probably considers what he has to say more important then anything our govt will do to him.
Report Post »Scottsman
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 10:58pmOK, I promise this will be my last post on how extensive, and rediculously complex Federal, DOD, and military regs can be. He COULD be charged under… get this:
Department of Defense Directive 1344.10 Section 4.1.2.5 Speak before a partisan political gathering, inculding any gathering that promotes a partisan political party, candidate, or cause.
Ok, this guy is a corporal who fought in the war. He should only have to worry about his buddies, his boots, his gun and his food. He should not have to worry about DOD 1344.10 Section 4.1.2.5.
Probably won’t be charged IMHO.
Report Post »db321
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 11:04pmNo need to investigate this guy – just give him a drug test – Paulies want legalized Pot so bad they follow a nut case that NO BODY else listen’s too – except Dems , Liberals and Druggies.
Report Post »Scottsman
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 11:10pm@DB321, prove your statement
db321
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 11:04pm
No need to investigate this guy – just give him a drug test – Paulies want legalized Pot so bad they follow a nut case that NO BODY else listen’s too – except Dems , Liberals and Druggies.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 11:11pm@db321 How is it that you’re the only one that manages to always insert pot into all discussions whatsoever. The pothead argument is getting boring. Since when did potheads in mass want secure borders, limited Government, a constitutional republic, gun rights restored, less Government spending, end of Progressivism, conservative judges, pro-life bills, sane foreign policy, sound money, stable economy, free markets, capitalism, end of the EPA, dismantling of the TSA, a halt on printing money to fund welfare, state rights, and put an end to Marxism? It’s all about the message. Hell, since when were potheads ever able to elect somone within a race to top three status? I did not know that 21.4% of Iowan voters were potheads. I guess they don’t just grow corn out there.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 11:36pm@DB23 Wow! We are 16 trillion in the hole and soon to be 17.5 and this guy serves his country and “they should drug test him because all Paulies are druggies ” is all you can come up with?.. Your moniker of an eagle doesn’t fit you because you are no Constitutionalist. And you are certainly no freedom lover.. The reason Paul wants to legalize the drugs is because the war on drugs has not worked.it is a revolving door for drug users and we tax payers get stuck with the bills and the only ones profiting from it are the drug lords..cops and government officials included..Look at fast and furious..or were you a part of that and you don’t want the source of your money to end..Paul people are Constitutionalists. There are ones of us from every age group..We like Ron Pauls ideas to bring our military home and build it here to strengthen us and save us one trillion the first year..Or maybe you live off the government dole..Ron Paul will cut at least 5 communistic government agencies.. There are those of us who will fight for this country DB..Get used to it.
Report Post »john koenig
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 12:15amSo you support anti-semitism and white supremacy.
Report Post »Thanks for outing yourself.
The-Monk
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 12:20am@SgtB
Thank you for your service.
“The “rule” as you call it is supposed to keep the military complex from influencing political elections. The rule itself goes far beyond this safeguard however and denies members the same rights that their service guarantees for others. I say that so long as a person states clearly that they are not representing the service, but that they are representing themselves only, then it is perfectly fine.”
Exactly my point; I think that when a military person is in uniform that person is representing the military. So, if they want to speak at a political event they can represent themselves and wear non-military clothes. 1st Amendment is intact. It’s kind of like needing a police officer, seeing one in uniform and asking for help only to be told, “Sorry, I’m off duty.” When you put on a uniform (military or police) you are no longer just a regular person. You are special and have special rights not granted to regular folks. Again, thank you for your service. (Something I don’t say to regular folks)
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 12:30am@john koenig
Paul said, “We should be their [Israel's] friend and their trading partner. They are a democracy and we share many values with them. But we should not be their master. We should not dictate where their borders will be nor should we have veto power over their foreign policy.”
As a doctor he would not accept Government healthcare from his patients, and would rather offer free services, many patients being among minorities. Here’s one such story: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rv0Z5SNrF4 Paul is the only candidate who has mentioned as a concern the disproportionate number of blacks being held in prison and convicted of crimes. Paul advocates for individual rights, equal justice and limited Government. He does not see Citizens within groups or under collective rights. He actually believes that all men are created equal, and are by nature equally free and independent. Texas NAACP president defends Paul: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGhv3paNz6U#
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 12:36am@PoliticiansRCrooks
”Go fight for me, but you have no say because I am your boss & when you come home, you have no say either”.
Sounds like every job I’ve ever had. “You will be at work at this time or be docked, you will take breaks when we say, you will take lunch when we say, you will abide by our dress code, you will not talk about releigion or politics and work (not even on breaks or lunch), you will take (and pass) classes on multi-deversity training, you will stay at work until your assigned time is over, if you smoke cigarettes you will be fired, you will take random drug tests or be fired, etc, etc, ect.”
The only difference is that the military and police are 24 hour jobs. And you knew that when you signed on. I’ll never have the benefits you guys get because I never signed on to a 24 hour job. I’m not complaining about it, I’m just wondering why you are?
Report Post »Scorp3j
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 12:39amHow stupid can these troops be that support RP? Don’t they realize if he becomes pres, he will slash defense worst than obama, and ten thousand or more troops, will be terminated and looking for jobs..
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 12:41am@John Koenig..Obviously you didn’t see the article the other day about a bi-racial couple back years ago who couldn’t get anyone in the hospital to help them..She was having a baby..Ron Paul was the one who came to help them and delivered a still born baby..Ron Paul had the bill sent to them all expenses paid..As for being anti-semite..Ron Paul is one of the only Congressmen who voted that Israel had the right to go to war with Iran.. This is something Vechorik I believe copied and pasted from one of Ron Pauls forums.
“I live in Israel, and I can tell you that if a libertarian like Ron Paul was a candidate here he would get at most 100 votes, not 30,000. You are lucky that you live in a country where so many people appreciate freedom. So when I hear you guys being so upset that RP received 22% and not 30% of the votes, I can‘t help but think that you simply can’t comprehend what great thing you have accomplished by supporting RP and freedom. We, libertarians in Israel and in Europe, can only dream about something even remote as what you have accomplished in Iowa
Report Post »ColRosendahl1
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 12:49amSoldiers should invest in Dress Blues!
Report Post »Why didn’t anyone give the gay Marine who was Ass pirated while in uniform(half uniform, ugh!)
Any grief, but were gonna give this CPL crap!
I guess it’s ok to have intercourse with animals & be Sodomized in uniform, but God forbid any soldier in uniform go to a GOP convention & Actually speak.
Good Golly!
“I feel like I’m taking Crazy Pills”
ashestoashes
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 12:52am@SCOR3j No Dr Paul does not want to slash the military..He wants to bring it home and build it here..he wants to bulid a anti-terrorrism..military..It will slash one trillion a year and our military will be strengthened..we will be safer..We are spending one trillion a year overseas..We are 16 trillion in debt and the government needs 1.5 trillion more to keep from shutting down..Eventually..that means a shutting down of our government and no military..Then they would bring in the UN to police us..Would that be okay with you?
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 1:21am@Scorp3j As a Conservative I must advocate for us to work within our means, and within the bounds established in the Constitution. As of this point, I do believe we have spread our Military too thin around the world, especially with our troops. They should not be a global police force or world peace Corps. We have left our borders unsecured and wide open. We need to reevaluate our priorities, and focus our energy here at home. We have enough satellites, carriers, submarines, stationed missiles and other high tech weaponry to protect our homeland and our interests here at home and abroad. A major concern of mine is our huge mounting debt. In a time when most financially irresponsible nations are on the verge of economic collapse, we should be more wise in our appropriation of funds and resources. I do believe militarism and defense spending are two different things. We should seek Constitutional means, the Rule of Law, and Reason to deal with all our problems, foreign or domestic. I am against Nation building. Shall we be another ten years in some foreign land, or enemy’s territory when we crush them, in order to end their regime and set up another Government? We have enough problems to deal with here at home. Our Constitutional Republic is at stake. No enemy can ever destroy our Nation, only our own corruption and dissolution of morality, religion and education can dissolve the greatest hope of freedom ever given to mankind.
Report Post »eawick
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 1:24amOf course he new, Scottsman. I was trained about various laws of the UCMJ such as this during BMT and base orientations.
He’s a reservist, and thus probably just doesn’t care. Active duty tends to be held to a higher standard, while Reservists and Guard gets a little more free reign.
Should he be reprimanded? Absolutely. Will he? Probably not, since he is more civilian than military.
Hell, I’m too leery to just post a Newt or a Gadsden bumper sticker on my POV.
Report Post »john koenig
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 1:58am@Colt1860…Explain his acceptance of cash from Stormfront. Explain his posing forphotos with Don Black.
Report Post »Paul is a Jew hater and a racist.
PoliticalJunkieToo
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 2:10amRon Paul/Mitt Romney. Maybe!
Report Post »PoliticalJunkieToo
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 2:14amThe-Monk
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 7:10pm
Every military person knows about this rule
______
I served 26 years – and I see NO ONE ELSE obeying this rule. I often wondered WHY. If others can do it, so can this young man.
I see servicemen IN UNIFORM at Obama rallies standing BEHIND Obama’s podium along with civilians ALL THE TIME and CHEERING ALL TOGETHER and NOT on military installations.
. I also see civilian policemen IN UNIFORM standing behind Obama as he gives his constant speeches and they are there CHEERING with civilians (and promoting their union agenda with Obama) not protecting Obama.
NONE of these soldiers or policemen should be in uniform. There is NOT a double
Report Post »MR_ANDERSON
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 2:41amI serve in the military, and this makes me support Ron Paul less.
If Ron Paul cares so much for those in the military, why would he allow someone who also serves get himself in trouble over this?
He used this guy, and it shows his respect for others, specially those in the military. He doesn’t care about others, only what he can get from others.
I can overlook international policy problems, but I can not overlook not caring for fellow service members. This is what needs to be attacked about Ron Paul.
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 2:53amIts always been the story. No political activism in uniform. When I was in in the 1970′s we were warned about that.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 3:04am@john koenig There’s not one person coming out to prove by first hand account that Paul is racist or that he acts with bigotry or discrimination against others. Not one.
Did Paul even know who those men were when taking those photos? Paul has never even been associated with any one of them, personally or indirectly. Paul’s campaign never received money from Stormfront. The donation of $500 came from the founder, Don Black. Black has repeatedly said he doesn’t think Paul is a “white nationalist”. Black said he supports Paul’s stance on ending the war in Iraq, securing our borders and his opposition to amnesty for illegal immigrants. Nothing racist there.
Let’s consider this. In 2008, who do you think racists voted for? McCain or Obama? Do you think McCain ever returned any donation or forbade them from supporting his candidacy? No, he didn’t. In this country, we have free and open elections. And there is not one thing a candidate can do to stop a Citizen from voting, and supporting his candidacy.
Paul was among a very few in congress to support Israel‘s attack on Iraq’s nuclear facilities in 1981. He believes in Israel’s sovereignty, self defense and self determination.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 3:06am@john koenig In 2008 Paul received support from over 130,000 individual donors. In 2011 Paul has raised most of his money from donors who gave less than $200 each. Donors who give less than $200 to a campaign are not required to disclose their employer or occupation. It is nearly impossible to investigate where all these donations come from.
In 2007 when the donation from Black was identified, Paul spokesman Jesse Benton said, “Dr. Paul stands for freedom, peace, prosperity and inalienable rights. If someone with small ideologies happens to contribute money to Ron, thinking he can influence Ron in any way, he’s wasted his money. Ron is going to take the money and try to spread the message of freedom.”
Paul personally responds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gKXyBgr24c “I think the philosophy of white supremacists is completely wrong and immoral.”
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 3:10am@MR_ANDERSON Although I understand your reasoning here, I think we should at least wait to see what the actual soldier has to say about all this, before making conclusions. It all started when CNN cut the soldier’s interview on live TV. Paul was trying to allow the fellow soldier to finish his statements.
Report Post »resme
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 3:49am@colt 1860, I always enjoy reading your post. Keep up the good fight. They can’t slam the message, so they always give baseless arguments and attack character.
Keep up the crying Paulophobes, Levinbots, And rushbabies.
Ron Paul 2012.
Report Post »Againstallenemies
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 3:57amAs much as you “old timer” vets think you have it figured out, let me tell you. As a CRIMINAL INVESTIGATOR for the U.S. Army, I ran into this situation MANY times. When a reservist and/or national guard soldier committed a crime (on or off base is irrelevant except to determine if the soldier would be charged at the state or federal level, depending on if the base has concurrent jurisdiction with the state or not). If a Reservist and/or national guard soldier is NOT on title 10 status (currently being paid by DFAS and on some sort of orders) then that soldier is considered a CIVILIAN!!!! THEREFORE U.C.M.J. does NOT apply! which would mean this soldier technically committed no crime. NO I do not agree with his actions, however that’s the way things work. Sorry to burst some bubbles.
Report Post »jasmer
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 7:18am@EAWICK – spot on. This was one of the first lessons I was taught by my crusty old SGM in “bonehead” ROTC, one of the first things a classmate got in trouble for, and one of the first things I remember despising VVAW types for. The classmate, however, got away with the misconduct because he was marching in a MLK parade, just as the Zuccotti pukes have.
So my guess is that this was calculated, possibly with the expectation that Paulbots could scream about being singled out. My E-1′s knew enough not to even informally interview with media, so I’m not buying the “Corp was too st00pid to know” claim.
I, too, won’t put on a Gadsden sticker on my work car – or an Ichthys for that matter; it would just get me thoroughly keyed. We may outnumber , but don‘t give a rat’s about social civility.
Report Post »Angry Redneck
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 7:59amSo RonPaul is Bed with George Soros, You People Keep living the lie….
Report Post »CIAtroll
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 8:00ambut having a fake Connecticut SS card in not a crime ????
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 8:35amI was an enlisted woman in the Navy and I was “cautioned about dating an officer” — it was against regs.
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 8:40amUnder Ron Paul TROOPS WILL NOT be looking for a job — they will have one — guarding the border. Not ONE person will lose a job — Ron Paul has promised that even the departments he is cutting — no one will lose a job — they will not be replaced as they quit, they will be re-assigned, not replaced when they retire — I repeat NO ONE will lose a job. To say otherwise is ignorant of the facts.
Report Post »rabblechat
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 8:45amSo Obuma can wipe his rear with the constitution, and we send him on another multi million dollar vacation, but this man wears the wrong clothes to a political rally, and is facing NJP. Makes sense to me…
Report Post »ninja
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 9:35amThere’d be no complaints if he had spoken at an Obama or McLame ralley.
Report Post »CPT_GCF
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 11:02amThe-Monk is right. We were told numerous times about this rule. An NCO should know better. Most conservative military members are waiting it out and aren’t going to give money until later on, if at all. Ron Paul supporters are hardcore, but unfortunately for him, are hardcore A-holes.
Report Post »KickinBack
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 11:38am♫ The Paulbots go a-marching in hoorah, hoorah ♫
I can’t wait until Ron Paul loses and *hopefully* Dear God, tell him through that thick headed tin foil hat to retire. Ron Paul proposed TERM LIMITS in THE HOUSE. After 23 years, lead by example.
Report Post »Dismayed Veteran
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 11:43amI wish I could speak about the training the US Army does now concerning uniform of the day and proper wearing of the uniform. I was an Army officer during the last days of Viet Nam. The Army was rife with soldiers politically protesting the war. Even then, soldiers were told they could participate in political activities but not on duty or in uniform. I would issue an Article 15 to first time violators. I only had one repeat violator who was charged with Article 92, Failure to obey an order or regulation. Maybe then soldiers were exposed to more training than now.
I’ve got an email to my son to find out current US Army training.
The military tradition of the United States formed by George Washington and reflected in our Constitution subordinate the military to civilian control. This ethic is instilled in every single person who enters the US military.
This soldier is a Non-Commissioned Officer of the US Army with 10 years experience. If he is a good NCO, he knew what he was doing was improper. He made a political statement in uniform. I suspect he will get an Article 15. I hope they do not go for an Article 92 charge.
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 12:46pmI bet that “Military Code” was established after 1933.
Any bets ????
Report Post »Rowgue
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 1:09pm@SCOTTSMAN
Sorry your “there are too many rules…whaaaaa” excuse doesn’t fly. Yes there are a million different regulations and nobody could ever be expected to have all of them committed to memory, or even to have ever seen them.
But knowing that you can’t wear your uniform to an event and present yourself as a representative of your branch of service is right there in the basic rules that every recruit is required to learn before you are even allowed to go to boot camp.
Report Post »Dachande
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 1:30pmNot very Soldier knows the regulation, but they know what right looks like.
AR 600-20 Army Command Policy
Chapter 5-3 Political activities
Page 32
So everyone can stop squacking acting like they know what they are talking about. There is the Army Regulation to reference. He cannot and I cannot go to a rally in uniform. He will be counseled, maybe given an Article 15, some extra duty and he’ll move on. It‘s not a super punishment but most likely he’ll lose his hard stripes and at least become a Specialist again considering as a Corporal he’s in a leadership position and more is expected.
Report Post »BadBeau77
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 2:07pm@ Scottsman No, you are dead wrong!! This is and has been a big issue in the service, and is emphasized, and re-taught again and again throughout your career. I suppose you also didn’t know that you are required to keep your hair a certain length in the military either? Everyone knows the rules, but not everyone chooses to follow them. I served over 20 years in the USAF, and have know about this rule from day one. I once said that there is no way I would ever vote for Obama, but if Ron Paul gets the go ahead, I may have to eat my words to save the country from an isolationist.
Report Post »Dismayed Veteran
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 2:10pm@problem solver
Report Post »FlamingFartSyndrome
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 2:14pm@ freedompurveryor
Ron Paul would never do that to his advocates. Ron Paul, and this is why the GOP hates him, will never play politics over policy, because thats just no the kind of man he is.
Report Post »Dismayed Veteran
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 2:17pm@Problem Solver
If you message about the UCMJ is addressed to me, the best that I can recall is that the UCMJ was put in place in the late 1940‘s or early 1950’s. Prior to that the Articles of War governed the Army and Navy. I recall there were several renditions of the Articles of War beginning in 1775. I vaguely recall the Navy and Marines had “Rocks and Shoals” but don’t know much more than that.
Sorry that I can‘t be more specific but I haven’t thought of this stuff since 1974. I guess some of the repetitive Army training did drum something into my thick head.
Hope that answers your comment.
Report Post »MR_ANDERSON
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 3:22pm@COLT1860
While I agree people can wait to see what the soldier has to say, but the facts are undeniable.
About Cpl. Jesse Thorsen:
1. The soldier was wrong to go on CNN while in uniform in the first place.
2. Being cut off by CNN doesn’t justify being called up to continue.
3. Every service member knows about this rule.
4. Being unaware of a rule doesn’t exempt you.
About Ron Paul:
1. Was a service member himself.
2. Has former/current service members on his staff.
3. Every service member knows about this rule.
4. Still chose to disregard the rule.
Facts are facts, Ron Paul and his campaign staff knew this would get the soldier in trouble. I was furious when I saw him on CNN. I hope the Cpl. is discharged for this. I would love to be able to get up and support the candidates I would vote for office, but it is against the rules.
I know if I were to do what Cpl. Jesse Thorsen had done, I would be throwing my career down the drain. If he believes that this was so important, then he will not complain when he is discharged. A discharge he earned himself, and one that Ron Paul and his staff could have helped prevent if they really cared about service members.
Report Post »ColRosendahl1
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 4:58pmGay sex in a uniform is ok though! Sex with farm animals is also ok thank to President Wrecking ball & Joe Stupid
Report Post »mibble
Posted on January 7, 2012 at 6:23pmFreedomPurveyor: Socialist/Constitutionalist and YES!
Report Post »Dranix
Posted on January 7, 2012 at 9:14pm@DOCTOR NORDO
I was in for 2 years active and 3 years Reserve. Even as an E-1 I knew about this rule. So either you don’t listen or you are an idiot.
Report Post »PoliticiansRCrooks
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:35pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0sYwsp-xVo He can do what ever he wants.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 7:22pm@PoliticiansRCrooks
“He can do what ever he wants.”
Absolutely… and he can face the consequences of his actions just like the gay guy in your video said. You did listen to the video you posted a link to? I think he said, “You should be ready for the consequences…” Did I get that part about what he said wrong? Should this guy at the RP political event face the consequences?
Report Post »Scottsman
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 7:53pm@THE-MONK,
The rule says “They also may not speak before a partisan political gathering, including any gathering that promotes a partisan political party, candidate, or cause“
So every time our military commanders introduce the Prez and the junior troops have to line up in ranks for HOURS to do a PHOTO OP and PR stint with the Prez, then they are in violation of this rule!!! LOL!
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 8:06pm@Scottsman
Report Post »You have that completely right! But, they are not allowed to speak are they?
The-Monk
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 8:10pm@Scottsman
Report Post »Is it permissible for them to turn their back on the President when they are “forced” to line up for a photo shoot if they strongly disagree with that President?
Scottsman
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 8:12pm@THE-MONK. Yes, they speak whatever they are told to speak. And, the uniform says a thousand words.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 8:15pm@Scottsman
Report Post »So you are saying that as long as free will is not there it’s OK?
Scottsman
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 8:17pm@THE-MONK, your question “Is it permissible for them to turn their back on the President when they are “forced” to line up for a photo shoot if they strongly disagree with that President?
No, they cannot and should not turn their back. You already knew that answer. They are doing what they are told, and paid to do, regardless of what they think or have to say about the PR stunt or Photo Op or the Prez using them as a back drop for a hand shake photo.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 8:18pm@Scottsman
Report Post »I sent you a lenghty post but it seems that The Blaze is blocking it (or taking thier time reading it). I sent it twice a while ago and it hasn’t shown up yet. Hope they post it. It explains a lot.
The-Monk
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 8:24pm@Scottsman
“No, they cannot and should not turn their back. You already knew that answer.”
If they can not and should not turn their back…. why do they turn thier back on other rules like DADT or speaking at political event in uniform? They are still being paid to follow the rules aren’t they?
Report Post »Scottsman
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 8:30pm@THE-MONK we kinda lost track of each other there for a few posts. You asked me”So you are saying that as long as free will is not there it’s OK?”
Scottsman reply:
I’m not a lawyer or philosopher. I just have common sense. But there are hundreds of thousands of pages of rules and regulations in the military and federal government. If you were to enforce every single rule and regulation in the military 100% ever day on every single person, the entire military would grind to a halt in one day and everyone would face disciplinary action by their superior the next day.
That‘s all I’m saying. Don’t lump “…Ron Paul fans think they are above the law…” or what ever because every body breaks the speed limit every single day if they drive a car. So all the police should stop all speeders and bring the freeways and court system to a halt. So are you above the law?
No, but all rules are selectively enforced.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 8:34pm@Scottsman
Report Post »Thanks for the dialog… I really mean that. The Blaze still won’t put my long post to you up. Don’t know why? Nothing bad in it. Thanks again.
Scottsman
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 8:43pm@THE-MONK, yes, good discussion. I think we found common ground. I would also like to thank PoliticiansRCrooks for ******* me off with that video and getting my attention, LOL. Just kidding.
Report Post »PoliticiansRCrooks
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 8:45pm@The-Monk – Your right and I he is well aware of his actions. Your just hating because Paul gets the most donations from active military. Hate some more.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 9:00pm@ THE BLAZE STAFF ONLY… DO NOT POST…
What was wrong with my lengthy post to Scottsman? Please e-mail me the reason. You have my e-mail address for my account. If you do not have my e-mail address…. send it to K**** and ask him forward it to me. He knows who I am. I’m confused (not angry) as to what was wrong with it. Thanks!
The-Monk
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 9:05pm@PoliticiansRCrooks
Report Post »Not angry at all. I like Ron Paul. I turst him at his word. I don’t think he would lie to me or others. I was just saying that‘s it’s wrong to lump every military person into a position of supporting Ron Paul. I think there is more diversity in the military. He11, I would even bet that some in the military support Obama!
The-Monk
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 9:08pmThe idiots at the blaze posted it anyways! They read one of my posts and will not post it (sent 3X) but when I send something to them they don’t read it and post it! I give up….
Report Post »PoliticiansRCrooks
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 10:05pm@The-Monk – I completely get where your coming from & I accidentally responded to you above. I just feel the military is a way to strict. If military men & women feel they need to say something politically than i feel they should but I guess not in this Country.
Report Post »NIPPOHIPS
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:23pmRon Paul 2012
Report Post »PoliticiansRCrooks
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:37pmPlus CNN cut him off when he was going to explain about Iran. Man the media is corrupt.
Report Post »ginger100
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 10:40pmNobody in this govt follows the rules or laws anymore, why should this soldier? Do any of the OWS dirtbags follow any rules?
Report Post »American Soldier (Separated)
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:22pmWhere are all the paul bashers? I’m surprised at the positive, or at least the lack of negative, feedback on this thread.
I know it’s against UCMJ to talk politics. Especially in uniform. Then how were were suppose to discuss elections in combat zones when we’re ALWAYS in uniform? I did it routinely at my FOB during my 2008 deployment in support of Ron Paul. Did I know it was against UCMJ. You betcha. Did I care? Nope. Grill me for it, I dare ya. I told that to my NCO. I was willing to take the licking for voicing my opinion on the man with the right ideals.
Sometimes, you have to make that sacrifice. Even when i was on my way out, I was always political.
Report Post »M24
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:27pmWell There You Have It Democracy At Its Best , Good Ridence Kotex Lips
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:30pm@American Soldier (Separated)
” I’m surprised at the positive, or at least the lack of negative, feedback on this thread.”
Sometimes it’s more fun to just sit back and watch you Paul worshipers rant, rave and slobber all over yourselves.
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:36pmIt’s not against UCMJ to talk politics. It’s against UCMJ to talk politics in uniform.
That makes all the difference.
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 7:16pmlol QP gets a hard on just thinking about bashing Paul
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 7:30pm@WAKEUPUSA2012 You got that right willie and yepimanahole both of em bash Paul incessantly.
Report Post »They just can’t comprehend why we want freedom from government and our liberty restored.
justangry
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 7:34pm@QPWILLY Your posts are really starting to tick me off. We know you don’t like Ron Paul, but there’s no reason to insult a veteran. The man obviously cares about this country and constitution. He’s not drooling over the man. He is excited that there’s a candidate who seems to cares about the constitution as much as he did when he volunteered to put his life on the line to defend it. So please, tell us why you hate the constitution or stfu and go away.
Report Post »c0mm0nsense
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 7:42pmWhere is Yepimatroll? Hope he is ok. I miss skipping over his posts.
Report Post »c0mm0nsense
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 7:43pmjustangry
Report Post »Your name fits willie better.
American Soldier (Separated)
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 7:56pmI talked politics (actively campaigning) at work, both in garrison and in a combat zone, in full uniform, to everyone that would listen to me.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 8:10pmWhen Clinton came out to the Roosevelt, I remember bashing him with a couple of the pilots, a warrant officer and the squadron’s Masterchief in the Ready Room. He he!
Report Post »tifosa
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 8:27pmRon Paul is the lefts dream candidate.
Report Post »M24
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:22pmThis Shows You How Much Ron Paul Dont Know about The Military , If He Even Cared about The Military, He Would Have Told The soldier, Get Your Asz Of this Stage You No Better, No Damn execuse. Sgt. Major Take Care Of This ASAP!!
Report Post »PoliticiansRCrooks
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:30pmThats disgusting for that to come out your mouth. For you to say the soldier has no right to be there. Many soldiers are home now,. They can elect also plus you have no right to say he can’t.
Report Post »Roaran
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:38pmOur troops want out of Iraq/Afghanistan and soon to be Iran — It‘s people like you who are keeping them there dying for a cause most of them don’t believe in.
They fight for OUR FREEDOMS, what does it say when our government is attacking our freedoms in the name of our defense?
The writing is on the wall, and if you aren’t part of the solution please start paying attention and get educated. Paul is all alone on this – his message is for freedom, for the constitution, and for the rule of law. He IS the antithesis to the Progressive movement, his views are identical to the founders. To call Paul crazy for his ideas is to call all our founders crazy.
Do you understand yet? I don’t care about those who deliberately try to hurt Paul or his supporters… they have bigger problems to worry about… but:
1) If you think the Constitution is important and should be relavent,
2) If you believe in limited government and freedom for everyone,
3) And, you believe in the ideas and message of our founders,
Then Paul is your candidate. Santorum, Romney, and Gingrich are progressives. Their beliefs and policies on GOVERNMENT are IDENTICAL to Obama’s. They may differ on Social issues, but our founders NEVER intended for those issues to be handled by the federal government.
Paul‘s foreign policy is identical to the founders’ – His stance on Israel is the only one that would protect its sovereignty and right to defend itself.
Report Post »jungle J
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:40pmthe soldier was an nco he should have know better.
Report Post »WiredRight
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 7:22pmRon Paul is about individual freedom and liberty. It’s not his place to tell him what to do.
Report Post »Decade
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 10:06pmI don’t know the rules, but he was only asked to speak on stage, and had the choice to decline He did speak earlier with CNN where he was pretty much censored on air. If such a rule exists and he knew about it, he could have declined, so blaming this on Ron Paul is dumb. By your logic CNN is stupid too for not knowing the rules by interviewing him beforehand.
Report Post »Babeuf
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 11:18pmBy changing his stance on Don‘t Ask Don’t tell…. He sure is telling the Straight Soldiers what they have to do… So much for their liberty and freedom.
Report Post »Oh I know…. he is man of reason…… Only when one of the other candidates changes their stance on something is a flip flopper.
Freedomluver
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 11:46amSpeaking of uniforms, how about the folks in Blue at the TSA?
How about the fact that BOTH sides actually support the destruction of the protections provided in the constitution?
4th amendment…what 4th amendment?
Who is out there fighting to have insanity like this stopped?
http://www.conservativeactionalerts.com/2012/01/dhs-officers-armed-with-semiautomatics-set-up-unannounced-id-checkpoint/
Residents of Leesburg, Florida were shocked to see their local Social Security office turned into a random Homeland Security checkpoint Tuesday morning, as DHS officers armed with semiautomatic rifles and accompanied by sniffer dogs checked identifications of locals.
“With their blue and white SUVs circled around the Main Street office, at least one official was posted on the door with a semiautomatic rifle, randomly checking identifications. And other officers, some with K-9s, sifted through the building,” reports the Daily Commercial.
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Where is Romney, Santorum, Newt and Perry? All I hear are crickets.
The only one willing to condemn this kind of tyranny is Ron Paul.
WAKE UP FOLKS!
Ron Paul 2012
Report Post »jmiller_42
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:13pmExcellent point
URGENT MESSAGE From the Troops — if you really support the troops, you would listen to them:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYxPkKGeVKI
Report Post »Tower7_TRUTH
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:45pmhttp://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/disobeying-orders-ex-military-
Report Post »riseandshine
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:55pm@Tower…Your last post sure didn’t last long before they yanked it.
Report Post »jmiller_42
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:12pmThe real story is that Paul receives more contributions from active duty military than all the other candidates combined. Also, why did this story get put below all the other worthless stories like jesse ventura getting punched in the face and that Anthony girl?
Report Post »SonOfThunder
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 7:04pmThe real story is that uncle crazy gets contributions that you cult members give money and check the box that you are active duty when you are not. It is that easy to do. I know tons of active duty and not one likes the nut. You Paulies stuff the box like acorn. Shame on you freaks. You can’t win anything. That is the fact.
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 7:20pmSonOfThunder
You SOB how dare you lie like that. Your a punk come down to Dallas and come to a Paul event and say that to all the veterans there, you get your little punk end whooped. We dont click active duty and LIE. Thats for you neocons who say we need to invade Iraq er I mean Iran er I mean all muslim countries. You shut your pile hole.
Report Post »HokieAirman
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 7:41pm@SONOFTHUNDER
Well, I contributed when I was Active Duty. I’ve met a few private Ron Paul supporters during my 5 years in. I think most people misinterpret what Mr. Paul is trying to say. He’s not in favor of isolationist policies; he‘s in favor of strengthening nat’l defense by re-assessing our priorities. That said, does he really have to power to close all our bases overseas? Many of our larger ones are there as a result of treaties. A President does not have the power to break treaties. He may succeed partially on that note, but not completely…same reason Obama didn’t close Gitmo.
That said, when I 1st heard about him, I liked him on pretty much everything but his foreign policy and drug legalization policy. Each, imo, needs to be considered with an abundance of caution, and if someone actually WANTS us in their country, they should pay us to be there and protect them…not the other way around.
Report Post »c0mm0nsense
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 7:50pmWith the Campaign laws you need to do more then check a box.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 8:15pmLying about one’s service is a huge taboo. I‘m not saying it’s never happened, but I’d pitty the person who got caught doing it. Do you have any evidence to back up your claim?
Report Post »cous1933
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 9:05pmWhat Paul-hater has ever backed up any of his vile accusations with evidence? None.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 9:20pm@justangry They never have any evidence to back up this claim.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 9:41pm( more contributions from active duty military) true 36k from 1.5 million active duty personnel. Hardly overwhelming support or some trend…….
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 9:51pm@RepubliCorp It still is more than the other Candidates, combined.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 10:00pm@republicorp Anything from military members is saying a lot with what they’re paid.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 10:31pm@HOKIAIRMAN YOu are right about if we were going to be in another country protecting people that they should be paying us not the other way around..I saw that when Hilary.Obama and the Muslim Brotherhood used our military to go in and take down secular dictators (who allowed freedom of religion and helped in protection of Israel ) and the rebels rebelling were obviously told that they would be paid to do it because they were demanding their money..Kind of like the Rose Revelution where Soros spent 15 million or so in overthrowing their own government..then were all ticked off because Soros and associates kicked them off of their land and would no longer allow them to farm. Instead..Soros and crownies were growing nuts of some kind I believe for profit..
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:10pmURGENT MESSAGE From the Troops — if you really support the troops, you would listen to them:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYxPkKGeVKI
Report Post »OHSundevil
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:09pmLets be real the only mistake this guy made was that he is enlisted and wasn’t supporting Obama.
Report Post »LibertarianRight
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:08pmAmerica is all about free speech. Unless you actually fight and die for that free speech. If you do, you have no Constitutional right to speak politically? Political correctness has gone WAY too far.
And yeah, I’ve heard the “reasoning”. Some flipping moron somewhere – who probably is delirious as well – might think the whole US Army supports Paul instead of just this guy. That’s not a reason to restrict free speech. He wasn’t slanderous. He just said that this candidate is his choice – why is that bad?
Report Post »M24
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:24pmShut Your Pie Hole, In The Military You Are Free To Speek When Your Told To!!
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:44pmThey both should have known, you have to ask permissions to do almost anything in a uniform, under other administrations it was just a formality, not any more under the ****** in chief.
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:06pmBeen around enough military to see this coming.
Report Post »britlynz
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 9:24pmYep. Its been a standing order as long as I remember. The young man should get the punishment called for.
Report Post »riseandshine
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:06pmPaul / Paul 2012
Report Post »Brett Riggs
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:04pmIt does not take a rocket scientist to know you can’t attend one of these things in uniform. It was the first thing taught in basic.
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:10pmLOL that was the first thing taught in basic? lol not how to surive or how to kill, the first thing they taught was not to wear your uniform at a political rally? lol yeah right
Report Post »Chuck Stein
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:14pmKinda so basic it need not even be taught in basic.
Report Post »PoliticiansRCrooks
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:31pmHe can do what ever he wants to do.. commie.
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 7:41pm@WAKEUPUSA2012 Aw don’t be so hard on ole Brett,maybe he was referring to his girl scout uniform.
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 7:55pmLol I hear ya brother
Report Post »Doctor Nordo
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 9:33pmChuck, they literally teach you how to brush your teeth in basic training, so you apparently have NFC WTH you’re talking about.
Good day.
Report Post »Chuck Stein
Posted on January 7, 2012 at 4:11amDoctor Nordo, re-read my post if you will. Then consider the meanings of the words “kinda” and “need.” :)
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:03pmI really hope that young patriot doesn’t get in trouble, but the rules are the rules. He should have known better. In the military, they punish you for “not knowing.”
Report Post »neverending
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:35pmHad it been at a barry rally it would have been okay!! I am sure he will pay the price – so sad he doesn‘t know or if he does know so sad that he doesn’t respect rules and regulations.
Report Post »Veritas Libertas
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:03pmJust so we’re clear on this, the NDAA says that U.S. troops can be used to enforce political policy inside the U.S. borders, but U.S. troops can’t voice their political opinions (even out of uniform?)
It would be laughable in some dystopic futuristic sic-fi movie, but this our new reality. Think about it.
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:12pmIf you recall Michael Neu, then you remember a U.S> Soldier who refused to salute a different flag and wear UN Blue.
Report Post »jmiller_42
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:01pmThis is the guy that CNN quickly cut off when he was speaking before the caucus. Waiting for the neocons reply to why Paul receives more donations than all the other gop candidates.
Report Post »HippoNips
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:03pmRon and Rand must have known the reservist would get in trouble.
Pretty sick allowing him to do it.
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:05pmCNN did it without anyone’s knowledge — CNN cut him off — the campaign gave him a chance to finish saying what he wanted.
You’re just looking for a reason to Paul-bash.
Report Post »FreedomPurveyor
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:07pmIt is rather ironic that while the talking heads proclaim Paul’s foreign policy to be crazy and nutty, those who have served in the Middle East support him far more than any other candidate. Hmm…
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:08pmAll the neocons will call you a liar. I know he gets more money from the military than anyother candidate in BOTH parties. But they will say thats a “conspicary theory” lol even tho the FEC has said he has. They think cause some of them were former military they know EVERYONE and how they think. Or they just wont answer
Report Post »Fella
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:09pmThe media and especially theblaze is not done tearing Thorsen down yet. Stay tuned. It’s coming. I read a blog this morning that almost made me ill and was expecting to see it posted here but I guess theblaze is till a bit behind.
Report Post »LibertarianRight
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:10pmIt’s even worse when people actually believe morons like Dick Morris over the people that actually defend our freedom….
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:15pmHippoNips
Your the one who is sick for thinking like that. Yeah Paul gets all the military donations but is just waiting to throw them under the bus. idiot
Report Post »encinom
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:17pmPaul playing fast and loose with the rules. He is the first one to call out an opponent for an infraction, yet here he puts the career of a reservist in jeorpdy to score some quick political points. CNN did the man a favor by cutting himoff before he violated the rules.
Report Post »PoliticiansRCrooks
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:35pmhe didn’t violate anything.
Report Post »FreedomPurveyor
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 7:12pm“Yeah Paul gets all the military donations but is just waiting to throw them under the bus. idiot”
Is returning them home to their families “throwing them under the bus”? Or, would it be sending them unprepared and ill equipped into a brutal insurgency, then turning them into glorified policemen for a 3rd world country that is full of people that want to kill them (for what their government has done), while their original objective is chillin’ in a few hundred miles away….
No, you’re probably right. It’s the families.
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 7:26pmFreedomPurveyor
I dont think you got the context of my line. Im a Paul supporter. That Hippo dude said Paul was trying to say
“Ron and Rand must have known the reservist would get in trouble.
Pretty sick allowing him to do it.”
So I was saying thats not true
Report Post »FreedomPurveyor
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 9:36pm“I dont think you got the context of my line. Im a Paul supporter.”
Ahh, I misread. I apologize sir.
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 10:35pmAll good buddy
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:00pmIf this was anyother candidate and was saying we need to bomb the world it wouldnt be a problem. But when its Ron Paul and the guy is speaking the truth, thats a problem
Report Post »lauraleewho
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 5:59pmWhy do I believe RP is getting military support?? Becuz isolationism was the position of the founders — is the Biblical position for Christians — and has historically been what “conservative” means in the USA. RP is just being a conservative.
Report Post »LibertyFirst
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 4:56pmThought this would be a good spot to post this link. It shows that Ron Paul is a very wise man and the attacks made against him are from people who don‘t know what they’re doing. If they do know, they are evil. Please watch and then help it go viral. http://www.lewrockwell.com/politicaltheatre/2012/01/ron-the-prophet/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
Report Post »jmiller_42
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 5:59pmPaul is the only one that understands what the soldiers know, we have become the communists we say we are fighting against.
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:10pmExactly.
Report Post »Fella
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 5:58pmSurprised theblaze hasn’t picked up on the real story about this guy yet. The truth almost lives here. And congratulations Gabby, you managed to write a headline without spinning it negative towards Paul! Lol
Inc. Paul bashers go!
Report Post »lauraleewho
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 5:57pmThey believe they are fighting for our freedom. I believe they have the freedom to speak. If anyone wants to give that young man a hard time…. well, free doesn’t mean free then. So, why are men and women in the military, then??
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:06pmNo — stats show that most military personnel are there FOR A JOB.
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 5:55pmOopsy!
Report Post »SoCaLCapitalist
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 5:55pmGood now get the liberals and all politics out of our schools. I agree no matter what your opinion, it should leave when you put your work clothes.
Get the liberal judges out, they are to enforce the laws that are written not create the laws they want…
Report Post »NotAsheeple
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:21pmhere here…right on
Report Post »OperationNorthwoods
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 5:54pmI think Glenn should get this guy or other members of the military on the show to see why Ron Paul gets all this support from the military. Your listeners want to know Glenn.
Report Post »KidCharlemagne
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 6:50pmBeck doesn’t care about our folks in uniform though….
Just like O’Reilly is using his TV show to run interference for Romney, then Beck is using GBTV to run interference for Santorum….
Unfortunately, Ron Paul just happens to be in the way so both of them are using their media platforms to work Paul over from both ends….
Pretty typical of corporate media types like O’Reilly, Beck, and Hannity though…
Report Post »jmiller_42
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 5:53pm“Why do you think Paul, who favors what critics consider isolationist policies, is receiving more military contributions than any other candidate currently vying for the Republican nomination?”
Because he is right
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 10:24pmOr because your a liar……….PROVE IT!!
If you can prove it, and I mean REALLY PROVE IT, I will apologize.
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 10:36pmRational Man
Its not that hard to find it on the FEC website
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on January 5, 2012 at 10:58pmThe Washington Post, NY Times, USA today, CNN, Politifact, various News networks, including polling institutions, have conducted their own research to verify and publicly report on this. Heck, even a Military publication, the Ranger, reported to the authenticity of this.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 5:08am@Survivor101 You can call all the BS you want, but there at least five credible news organizations and a few other institutions calling your claims BS. Just saying. You can say that he lies, and lies all the time, all you want, but if you never show evidence to prove even one of these lies, who’s the one telling a lie?
Here‘s another user’s post:
another_mormon_4_Ron_Paul
Posted on January 4, 2012 at 2:48pm
Nothing sneaky about it. It’s been this way in Iowa for years. That is what everyone is supposed to do: go to the caucuses and vote for the delegates you want to send to the county convention. At the county convention you vote for who you want to send to the state convention. At the state convention you vote for who you want to send to the national convention. In other words, you have to be willing to be committed to your candidate because the straw poll doesn’t count. Actually coming to the caucuses and sticking around counts. Out of 24 people in our entire precinct who actually showed up to the caucuses, only 7 stayed to vote for the four delegate openings to the county convention, five of whom were my family. With that small of a number, it was more of a “who volunteers to go to the county convention?” kind of thing. My husband and I volunteered to be two of the delegates and two of our offspring are the two alternates. The other two guys volunteered for the other two slots. One is a Newt Gingrich supporter and the other wouldn’t say.
Report Post »LibertyFirst
Posted on January 6, 2012 at 5:29pmFor “RationalMan”???
Here’s your proof. Now apologize. And better than apologizing, think about what this says. http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2011/jul/23/ron-paul/ron-paul-says-members-military-have-given-him-far-/
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on January 7, 2012 at 12:00am@LibertyFirst
Okay, I apologize. Not my fault you can’t be trusted without proof.
Report Post »I have debunked about a dozen lies posted by Paulistinians in just the last week on this website alone.
At least I’m man enough to apologize. Haven’t seen that from a Paul Bearer yet.
Yoda – 1
R. Man- 12