GAINESVILLE, Fla. (AP) — As thousands of Afghans protested a tiny Florida church’s plan to burn the Muslim holy book, the church‘s pastor said he won’t follow through on the plan if he’s able to meet Saturday with the organizers behind a mosque planned near ground zero in New York.
In Afghanistan, at least 11 people were injured Friday in protests.
Police in the northern province of Badakhshan say several hundred demonstrators ran toward a NATO compound where four attackers and five police were injured in clashes. Protesters also burned an American flag at a mosque after Friday prayers.
In western Farah province, police said two people were injured in another protest.
Speaking to NBC’s “Today” show, the Rev. Terry Jones said if he meets with the imam in New York, he won’t burn the Quran. It wasn’t clear if he meant the burning would be halted indefinitely or just for Saturday.
Imam Muhammad Musri, the president of the Islamic Society of Central Florida, told CBS’ “The Early Show” he had a commitment for Jones and himself to meet in New York with the imam there.
Earlier, Jones and Musri had disagreed sharply on the terms of the agreement.
Jones said Thursday he would call off the planned burning of Qurans based on a deal negotiated with the president of the Islamic Society of Central Florida that the location of a mosque planned near ground zero in New York would be changed.
But Musri said he was clear on Thursday when he told Jones that he could only set up a meeting with planners of the New York City mosque, whose leader said he had spoken to neither the pastor nor Musri. Jones responded by opening the door, if only a crack, that he would go forward with his plan on Saturday.
“We are just really shocked,” Jones said of Musri. “He clearly, clearly lied to us.”
For U.S. political leaders and Muslims around the world who have been outraged by Jones’ antics, the on-again, off-again threat bred even more angst and frustration.
Cleric Rusli Hasbi told 1,000 worshippers attending Friday morning prayers in Indonesia, the world’s most populous Muslim country, that whether or not he burns the Quran, Jones had already “hurt the heart of the Muslim world.”
“If he’d gone through with it, it would have been tantamount to war,” the cleric said in the coastal town of Lhokseumawe. “A war that would have rallied Muslims all over the world.”
Muslims consider the book the sacred word of God and insist it be treated with the utmost respect.
In Afghanistan, where tens of thousands of U.S. troops are in harm’s way, President Hamid Karzai said he heard Jones had perhaps abandoned his Quran-burning plan.
“The holy book is implanted in the hearts and minds of all the Muslims,” Karzai said. “Humiliation of the holy book represents the humiliation of our people. I hope that this decision will be stopped and should never have been considered.”
Jones announced earlier Thursday — with Musri at his side — that they had a bargain and that he would call off the Quran-burning. Later he accused Musri of lying and said the burning was only suspended, not canceled.
Musri, countered that Jones wasn’t confused or misled and that “after we stepped out in front of the cameras, he stretched my words” about the agreement. The imam in charge of the New York Islamic center and mosque project also quickly denied any deal was made.
Musri said Jones had instead caved into the firestorm of criticism from around the world and that his announcement might have been a ploy to try to force Muslim leaders’ hand on the Islamic center.
Jones said later that he expected Musri to keep his word and “the imam in New York to back up one of his own men.” Musri said he still plans to go ahead with the meeting Saturday.
In New York, the Islamic center project leader, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, said in a statement that he was glad Jones had backed down but that he had spoken to neither the pastor nor Musri.
“We are not going to toy with our religion or any other. Nor are we going to barter,” Rauf said. “We are here to extend our hands to build peace and harmony.”
Opponents argue it is insensitive to families and memories of Sept. 11 victims to build a mosque so close to where Islamic extremists flew planes into the World Trade Center and killed nearly 2,800 people. Proponents say the project reflects religious freedom and diversity and that hatred of Muslims is fueling the opposition.
Moving the mosque is not why Jones canceled his threat, Musri said. Instead, he relented under the pressure from political and religious leaders of all faiths worldwide to halt what President Barack Obama called a “stunt.“ Musri said Jones told him the burning ”would endanger the troops overseas, Americans traveling abroad and others around the world.”
“That was the real motivation for calling it off,” Musri said.
Jones had never invoked the mosque controversy as a reason for his planned protest at his Dove World Outreach Center. Instead, he cited his belief that the Quran is evil because it espouses something other than biblical truth and incites radical, violent behavior among Muslims.
Obama urged Jones to listen to “those better angels,” saying that besides endangering lives, it would give Islamic terrorists a recruiting tool. Defense Secretary Robert Gates took the extraordinary step of calling Jones personally.
Jones’ church, which has about 50 members, is independent of any denomination. It follows the Pentecostal tradition, which teaches that the Holy Spirit can manifest itself in the modern day.
News of the cancellation also was welcomed by Jones’ neighbors in Gainesville, a city of 125,000 anchored by the sprawling University of Florida campus. At least two dozen Christian churches, Jewish temples and Muslim organizations in the city had mobilized to plan inclusive events, including Quran readings at services, as a counterpoint to Jones’ protest.
Jones said at the news conference that he prayed about the decision and concluded that if the mosque was moved, it would be a sign from God to call off the Quran burning.
“We are, of course, now against any other group burning Qurans,” Jones said. “We would right now ask no one to burn Qurans. We are absolutely strong on that. It is not the time to do it.”
Despite Jones’ words, in the Gaza Strip, Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh said to a crowd of tens of thousands of Muslim faithful that they had come “to respond to this criminal, this liar, this crazy priest who reflects a crazy Western attitude toward Islam and the Muslim nation.”
“We came to say, the Quran is our constitution, we are committed to God and his holy book,” he said to those holding the texts in their hands at a stadium in the northern town of Beit Lahiya. “God willing, should they try to carry out their crime against the Quran, God will tear their state apart and they will become God’s lesson to anyone who tries to desecrate the holy book.”
Part of the pressure exerted on Jones came from Gates who briefly spoke to the pastor before his first announcement to call it off. Gates expressed “his grave concern that going forward with this Quran burning would put the lives of our forces at risk, especially in Iraq and Afghanistan,” said Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell.
Morrell said earlier that the decision to issue a personal appeal was not easy because it could provoke other extremists “who, all they want, is a call from so-and-so.” Earlier, Jones had said if he was contacted by the White House that he might change his mind. After Gates’ call to Jones, Morrell said the secretary’s “fundamental baseline attitude about this is that if that phone call could save the life of one man or woman in uniform it was a call worth placing.”
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Associated Press Writers Ayi Jufridar in Lhokseumawe, Indonesia; Ibrahim Barzak in Gaza City; Robert Reid in Kabul; Anne Flaherty and Lolita C. Baldor in Washington; and AP Legal Affairs Writer Curt Anderson in Miami contributed to this report.
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paulblack
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 3:59pmHow come Afghans have more freedom than Americans, it is real apparent that they do, they can protest in their streets, burn bible’s, burn flags and call for the destruction of the United States, burn pictures of our Presidents, man now that is a free society. If we burn a Koran, we are killed. Wake up America freedom is abandoning you.
Report Post »The preachers right’s must be protected, it is the right of all Americans, Imam’s rights need to be wade and investigated after November to see if there is terrorist links, we can not allow terrorist to build monuments in the US. period.
politicaljules
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 4:53pmThis smells very fishy and I would not be surpised to find out this was a well planned out stunt. Something is being planned her to elicit a reaction, set up a crisis, or create a distraction.
The westboro baptist church is now involved and will burn the quoran as well. That guy is a publicity stunt wacko that I believe the democrats pay in order to make homophobia an issue.
Notice than not of the real churches are involved in this? I am not liking this at all.
The MO of the dems is to manipulate. They are loosing big time right now and need some kind of crisis to turn this around. I am fearing what that may be but it does not look good so far. God save America. please.
Report Post »kishamajors
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 5:20pmSo that reporter is bating this man and he is standing his ground. I at first thought, ok this idiot is going to cause serious problems. But now I am thinking that it’s not him it is the media and the left who is the catalyst to this ridiculous and absurd event. It is stupid and the left is trying to accuse this man for something that has nothing to do with him or his ideals/plans. Get that building off ground zero and there won’t be any problems!
Report Post »whitaker
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 4:13pmIslam is a way of life not just a religion. The mind set is simular to a serf during the dark ages. They do the same as the progressives just using differance tools religion vs politics. Both use Indoctrination of chrildren and keeping the masses ignorent and uneducated and obediance to a ruling class.
Report Post »2Smart2BaLib
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 2:32pmwives – stoned to death
Report Post »homosexuals – executed
Death for Muslim and non-Muslim critics
I think the USA would be better off without Islam & Shari’a Law
Lester Willox
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 3:20pmSick children – left untreated until they die
Soldier funerals – protested
Clinics that perform abortions – bombed
I think the USA would be better off without RADICALS, no matter the faith.
Report Post »AsianForTeaPartyConservative
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 2:22pmPastor Jones, if you believe in what you are doing. just do it! It is not your fault what others do. Everyone has a mind of their own. Appeasement is not the way to go. If the Afghans don’t want our troops in Afghanistan, so be it. We can bring all the troops home. Our goal in Afghanistan was to topple the Taliban, which we have accomplished, and to help Karzai. If Karzai don’t want our help, why should we help him. It would be better so we can focus on capturing Osama bin Ladin. Solutions can achieve when we make it simple.
Report Post »poppopschell
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 2:53pmAsian: our original goal in Afghasitan was locate and kill Al Quida memebrs with emphasis on Ben Laden. It morphed into nation building. That IMO proves that our real intent was to control the great natrual resources wealth that has been become more newsworthy in the last few months as well as to have a pipeline from oil producing nations go thorough Afghanistan to the sea.
We have many Constitutional traitors in both the DP and GOP.
Report Post »daverag
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 2:05pmThe Original Burn the Quran Day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91AM7665cbo
Report Post »It happened in Muhammad’s time too! And Muslims did it! How interesting! Why burn books when you can read them to find useful information against the Muslims?
standby
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 1:24pm2 sense…. & a warning: Rauf said. “We are here to extend our hands to build peace and harmony.”
Report Post »Where was this “Hand” at 9/11, or at any other time during ongoing “radical” acts still being committed throughout the world by this religion? Religion & Politics….these inventions of humans are being used to appropriate America, & a continuation down this path is causing an awakening which is leading to destruction, maybe for all humans….by our own hands.
I do not want this hand. Give me the hand of sanity… & Jesus.
Citizen
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 1:19pmpetraus should not have called him at all, he should have said our nation is under attack everyday, We are trained to kill those who try to kill us and we are very very good at out job, If they burn or don‘t burn the koran it doesn’t make a difference to us we are ready.
Report Post »foggy77
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 12:44pmI think that General Petraeus should be stripped of his command, seems he is too timid and afraid to lead an army into battle. Here he is with the greatest most powerful killing force the world has ever seen and he is scared of the preacher in Florida burning a book? Well, I guess we could say the man is no General Patton. Its just shameful, as if the enemy would not come to kill us if we only were more pleasant to them. Rather let them come, and slaughter those SOBs like flys on the ramparts of our bases.
Report Post »RojBlake
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 1:00pmI think we should create the Emeril brigade, make sure that every soldier in it is armed with weapons lubricated in pig-fat & make sure that everyone knows it…according to one story Blackjack Pershing did that & attacks against his me dropped to almost nothing.
I know it’s insensitive…but a “sensitive war”? You gotta be kidding me.
Report Post »whitaker
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 4:21pmToo many ppl want a politicly correct war. There is nothing correct about war. You fight it with your full effort to the best of your ability to end it fast so you avoid prolong suffering to all.
Report Post »RojBlake
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 12:15pmAm I really supposed to believe that the burning of a few books is causing all this?
Or is this just an excuse to justify behavior?
This is like during the Rodney King riots, I’m sure that some people were legitimate in thier anger…but I find it hard to believe that stealing TV’s is a form of protest anywhere.
The Manchester team wins, English soccer fans riot, they lose+riot.
Do I really need to continue?
I’m tired of being told that I have to “tolerate” this & that but nobody has to “tolerate” what I do. I am also tired of equating “tolerance” with acceptance & endorsment.
If the Muslims overseas want to riot & kill people, they will find some excuse because they WANT to do so. If the populace of “tinytown USA” want to riot & kill people, they will find a way to justify & do so.
I’m tired of the USA being called upon to bend & twist with every ill wind, I’m tired of our troops having to fight a “good & clean” war. I’m tired of being told we should have “open borders” when no other country on earth does. I AM TIRED OF THE US BEING SPINELESS!
Report Post »LesterWillox
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 12:36pmIf I was a Muslim overseas, the simple reason that America is occupying two of my neighboring countries and being responsible for hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths there would be reason enough for me to riot, honest to heart. Because even if I’m not an Afghani or Iraqi, I don‘t know if I’m going to be next on the invasion list.
And besides, we’re not fighting an open and clean war. We’re just not committing a damn genocide.
Report Post »RojBlake
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 12:52pmLesterWillox,
This is the same kind of argument that leads to the US caused, was an accessory too, etc. 9/11.
I don’t like the fact that our troops are still over there, but then again we could be said to be occupying South Korea, Germany, Okinawa, Japan, & whereever else there is a US Base.
The US is fairly unique, after WE fight a war, instead of demanding that a nation pay us reparations, we stay & help pay for their rebuilding. So don’t give me…the US is terrible & evil etc.
By the way, only recently in history has there ever been a concern over “civillian deaths”, & usually only in regards to US & NATO forces. Wars used to be won by killing & destroying civillians, soldiers, infastructure, crops, & anything else of value.
The worst invention ever created for the military was the so-called “smart-bomb” we proved that the US could minimize casualties & now the worthless UN & the so-called “world-community” expects us to do so, & we’re spineless enough to agree.
Report Post »Lester Willox
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 1:31pm>LesterWillox,
Hello, Mr. Rojblake.
>This is the same kind of argument that leads to the US caused, was an accessory too, etc. 9/11.
I don’t buy that the US directly caused 9/11 or was an accessory to it. But things happen for a reason. People don’t perform an attack like 9/11 just because. And I don’t buy the old “They hate us for our freedoms” argument. How good their reasons were for attacking us I cannot say, since I don’t know them. I’m just saying that something drove them.
>I don’t like the fact that our troops are still over there, but then again we could be said to be occupying South Korea, Germany, Okinawa, Japan, & whereever else there is a US Base.
I can’t say that I like having US troops all over the place either. However, the difference between the countries you named and Iraq / Afghanistan is that we’re still performing combat operations and the population is largely opposed to our staying there. We are OCCUPYING those countries. There’s no more appropriate word for it.
>The US is fairly unique, after WE fight a war, instead of demanding that a nation pay us reparations, we stay & help pay for their rebuilding. So don’t give me…the US is terrible & evil etc.
Yes, but this is in an age where most western civilizations apparently don’t fight wars anymore. I don’t see France invading Africa, I don’t see England trying another shot at India. And not fighting wars is better than fighting wars nicely in my book. The only reason foreign troops are in Iraq and Afghanistan is that we dragged them there, them being allied and all.
>By the way, only recently in history has there ever been a concern over “civillian deaths”, & usually only in regards to US & NATO forces. Wars used to be won by killing & destroying civillians, soldiers, infastructure, crops, & anything else of value.
That was a long time ago. You won‘t see me draining my blood when I’m sick, you won‘t see me riding a horse to the market and you won’t see me raping and pillaging in the next town over. Things got BETTER. Civilian deaths have officially been considered an atrocity since WW1 and people mostly tried to prevent them long before that. Thus the Geneva Convention of 1862. And as an advanced western civilization, the beacon of hope and freedom as some like to call it, shouldn’t we be the best we can and lead by example? It’s easy to sink to the level of your enemy.
>The worst invention ever created for the military was the so-called “smart-bomb” we proved that the US could minimize casualties & now the worthless UN & the so-called “world-community” expects us to do so, & we’re spineless enough to agree.
So what you’re saying is kill them all, let God sort them out? Kill men, women and children? The famous “glass parking lot”? Am I reading this correctly? Because if I am, I think you’d be a better fit for Iran than for the America that I hope still exists.
Report Post »poppopschell
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 2:46pmLester, yes America has fallen far from it’s CONSTITUTIONAL ROOTS AND THE WISDOM OF PRESIDENT WASHINGTON AND OTHER EARLY FOUNDERS. PEACEFUL COMMERCE WITH ALL NATIONS BUT NONINTERVENTION IN INTERNAL MATTERS. NEVER, NEVER SHOULD WE BE DOING NATION BUILDING. The only person of national fame that I’m aware of who advocates this is the true founder and leader of the Tea Party movement… Ron Paul.
I’m sad that so many people in the Tea Party and other Constiionist movements are so quick to declare war and have our troops in over 150 nations, even dating back to WWII and Korea.. Until the Tea Party and other patriots realize that we do create such hatred while also bringing down our economy with huge budget deficits, we will continue to lose our liberties and place in world history as a nation that seeks peace.
Lastly, so many Christians forget or refuse to follow the counsel of Jesus Christ when He said “Blessed are the PEACEMAKERS for they are the children of God.” Is it Christ or Lucifer who seeks violence, contention and disunity? I think everyone KNOWS the answer.
Report Post »Lester Willox
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 2:52pm@poppopschell
You cannot fathom how much I needed to read that comment. It‘s good to see I’m not alone on this. Thank you.
Report Post »RojBlake
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 3:32pmLester Willox,
It is arguable that many in Iraq welcomed our presence, as for Afghanistan quite honestly I‘m not sure there’s any hope for that “country”. The forces in Iraq are there by choice the “coalition of the willing” remember, no UN, & the nations involved volunteered.
Bosnia, Kosovo, Burma, Darfur, etc. these are hardly low-level civillian areas. How about the attempts to destroy Isreal back in the 60′s & 70′s do you believe that the women & children would have been spared if those wars had been sucessful?
There are things worse than war, one of them is fighting wars the way that we do now. These wars the way that Bush fought them & the way that Obama is continuing to fight them; the way the UN would have them be fougt, are slow bleeds that are far worse that being ruthless & efficient. Either “let slip the dogs of war” or don’t bother…the current way is worse for everybody involved.
Report Post »Lester Willox
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 4:29pm>Lester Willox,
Mr. Blake.
>It is arguable that many in Iraq welcomed our presence, as for Afghanistan quite honestly I‘m not sure there’s any hope for that “country”. The forces in Iraq are there by choice the “coalition of the willing” remember, no UN, & the nations involved volunteered.
Concerning Iraq, the euphoria some Iraqi citizens had when our forces arrived has turned sour. Only one third of Iraqis still tolerate our forces, the rest calls us “occupiers”.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-04-28-poll-cover_x.htm
Concerning Afghanistan… well, I can‘t say I’d know what to do there. This is a country that has been in a constant state of war for many years. “Fighting the occupation” is one of the things they’ve done forever, only the occupiers changed. The country has a very colorful history (so to speak).
For the “coalition of the willing”… had America decided NOT to invade Iraq, do you think anyone else would have? As I said, these people are there to show support for us, as allies do. They would not have gone by themselves.
>Bosnia, Kosovo, Burma, Darfur, etc. these are hardly low-level civillian areas. How about the attempts to destroy Isreal back in the 60′s & 70′s do you believe that the women & children would have been spared if those wars had been sucessful?
On Bosnia, Kosovo etc, my opinion is kind of split. I can‘t say we still have a reason to be there and wouldn’t have a problem with us withdrawing our forces. What would’ve happened to Israel cannot be said, but I have to agree that the Jewish people would’ve been chased off at BEST, no telling what could have happened in a worst case scenario. But what should that prove? We’re AMERICA. We don’t do that. We do not cause genocides. We do not kill indiscriminately. We’re the GOOD guys. We are BETTER than that.
>There are things worse than war, one of them is fighting wars the way that we do now. These wars the way that Bush fought them & the way that Obama is continuing to fight them; the way the UN would have them be fougt, are slow bleeds that are far worse that being ruthless & efficient. Either “let slip the dogs of war” or don’t bother…the current way is worse for everybody involved.
Those wars were unnecessary and now we’re stuck in them. Even conservative sources put the Iraqi civilian casualties in the six digits, some sources say that more than a million died. Thousands of our soldiers died.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War (For sources, check the bottom)
How more ruthless should we wage war? Depopulate the area? Kill ALL of them, innocent or not? For what reason? We’ve already destroyed their infrastructure, we’ve already killed so many, how much worse can it be? Iraq was a relatively advanced and secular state before we came. Now look at it. We have no business being there. We never had. You cannot win a conventional war against partisans, and you cannot win a war on an idea: Terrorism.
Report Post »RojBlake
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 6:15pmMr. Willox,
Iraq was NOT the advanced state many seem to think it was. I’ve seen interviews, & heard 1st hand accounts of how many didn’t have electricity, or water etc.
Iraq had the CAPACITY, but the regime in charge didn’t have the will to meet the basic need of its populace. The wealthy & politically connected lived well, but the majority of the Iraqi people did not.
As far as waging war I would direct you to WHITAKER’s post, he sums it up nicely.
As to it being unnessacary, that is a matter of opinion & rather moot now. As to US casualties, they were mercifully low, you see projections for US casualties were “20,000″ just to take Bagdahd when congress authorized the war…as tragic as the dead & wounded are, they were far lower than projections…& they needn’t have been as high as they were.
Report Post »Lester Willox
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 7:11pm>Mr. Willox,
Mr. Blake.
>Iraq was NOT the advanced state many seem to think it was. I’ve seen interviews, & heard 1st hand accounts of how many didn’t have electricity, or water etc.
Iraq had the CAPACITY, but the regime in charge didn’t have the will to meet the basic need of its populace. The wealthy & politically connected lived well, but the majority of the Iraqi people did not.
Oh, I don’t deny that. That’s why I said (and I quote): “Iraq was a relatively advanced and secular state before we came”, relatively being the key word here. Even before our invasion I wouldn’t have called Iraq being a nation of western development standard. But it was quite advanced in comparison to most surrounding countries. Not so much now. The little stability and infrastructure they had is gone, warlords are emerging again and there is an influx of foreign groups.
>As far as waging war I would direct you to WHITAKER’s post, he sums it up nicely.
To Mr. Whitaker’s comment: We DID end the military part of the war fast. The Iraqi army didn’t stand much of a chance. But now we got to a point where a conventional army doesn’t help anymore. Partisans. Terror tactics. Enemy combatants hiding among the civilian populace. Every misplaced bomb, every misplaced shot, every wrongful arrest gives our enemies more fuel. How do you propose we solve this problem with more violence?
>As to it being unnessacary, that is a matter of opinion & rather moot now. As to US casualties, they were mercifully low, you see projections for US casualties were “20,000″ just to take Bagdahd when congress authorized the war…as tragic as the dead & wounded are, they were far lower than projections…& they needn’t have been as high as they were.
This is something we can unilaterally agree on. Things didn’t go as well as they could, but they could’ve been much worse. But please don’t forget the death toll among the Iraqi populace, they’re humans too and currently living in a terrible situation caught between a rock (our forces) and a hard place (partisans who don’t care about civilian casualties).
Report Post »housetops
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 12:14pmI’m so sick of islums smug exterior of superficial “peace” that believes you can lie to whoever they consider an infidel which means how can you trust anything they ever say while all the while they plot and scheme their agenda of world domination at all costs. I fully recognize that there must exist somewhere Muslims who simply want to live a white picket fence life and we need to hear from them and I will gladly stand shoulder to shoulder with them in defense of common sense principles.
Report Post »richfromflorida
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 12:00pmThe quran starts peaceful but ends violent and muslims are taught that the later verses override the first ones. When they say it’s a peaceful religion they are quoting the early scriptures knowing that those have been overridden. Three Things You Probably Don’t Know About Islam: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgsrnmzxEUY
Report Post »2Smart2BaLib
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 2:39pmThanks for the link – I watched it in disbelief and it horrified me – If true the USA must do everything possible to keep Shari’a Law outside of our borders. Shari’a Law is frightening and Muslims treat women horribly. I need to read the Koran for myself to see if all this is true.
Report Post »ltb
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 11:42amOkay, let me get this straight… a lunatic gets killed because he becomes enraged over someone’s plans to burn a satanic book and whatshername on NBC wants to know if the guy, who plans to burn the book, feels responsible? People, if these nutjobs are going off because someone is burning their little satanic book, the guy burning the book isn’t the problem. Personally, this whole situation makes me want to roast a pig tomorrow over a pile of Qur’ans.
Report Post »123halle
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 11:40amit is time to stop and stand up and say enough is enough . you hate americans then leave and leave us alone . we don’t want you anyway . stop demanding things you are crazy muslims
Report Post »JohnZiraldo
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 11:12amI have suggested this a few times now and would like to say it again.
Report Post »While all of this attention is on the Koran (Quoran?)I would like to see someone with the skills and resources to copy out of the document any pages that call for attacks against non-Muslims and women, and put that along with equivalent pages from other religion’s books of faith to produce a “Book of Hate”.
I would then wave that book in the face of all so-called peaceful Muslims (and other religions) and defy them to remove those pages from their religions. Until they do, copies of the Book of Hate should be burned on a regular basis, until the haters get it right.
poppopschell
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 2:35pmJohn, I would strongly suggest you do what Glenn Beck counsels. Pick up a Koran, read it, and see what it says. Don’t rely on me or anyone else to gain “truth.”
I do agree that some postings with clear refernces by posted so anyone can check for themselves.
Report Post »JJMinor
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 11:11amI studied under a Sufi teacher for over 20 years. I think I understand some of the darker side of Islam. Just as I understand the darker side of the Old Testament. The problem is, most Christians don’t use the O.T. to justify killing thousands of people (not anymore we don’t), and if they did, we would understand they were nuts. Islam is different, in as much as Jihad is not considerd some dusty bit of history, but a current, viable option. Islam is not as peaceful as some want us to think.
Report Post »poppopschell
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 2:32pmPlease share more because you’re a person who studied underan Iman. Actual references from the Koran, Hadith, and Sharia Law would add must to our seeking for the truth. PLEASE!!!
Report Post »Plaid Blazer
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 11:01amJones is a small time troublemaker. The Imam is a big time manipulator and just think–our tax dollars are paying his way.
Report Post »missmarie
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 10:38amFrom the article – the Muslim response:
Cleric Rusli Hasbi told 1,000 worshippers attending Friday morning prayers in Indonesia, the world’s most populous Muslim country, that whether or not he burns the Quran, Jones had already “hurt the heart of the Muslim world.”
“If he’d gone through with it, it would have been tantamount to war,” the cleric said in the coastal town of Lhokseumawe. “A war that would have rallied Muslims all over the world.”
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From the article – the Christian response:
News of the cancellation also was welcomed by Jones’ neighbors in Gainesville, a city of 125,000 anchored by the sprawling University of Florida campus. At least two dozen Christian churches, Jewish temples and Muslim organizations in the city had mobilized to plan inclusive events, including Quran readings at services, as a counterpoint to Jones’ protest.
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Can you spot the differences?
Report Post »2012freedom
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 10:29amI guess this is just a taste of what will happen if the Mosque is forced to move. We are in serious trouble either way. The Muslims are going crazy (not that they can get any crazier) just for mentioning burning a quaran.
Report Post »heidi586
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 10:17amIt doesn’t matter what that pastor does or anything else….. Most Americans cannot grasp their [islamic]way of thinking and the constant hate in their religion. It doesn’t matter what anyone tries to say…just look at them….how they react to what they don’t like. This is not a “peaceful” people…and they are on a mission to destroy. I know there are ‘decent’ muslims….that are just trying to get by (just like most Americans)…but until the crazy extreme muslims are dealt with…they are at war with us – we can acknowledge it or not.
Report Post »poppopschell
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 2:26pmThere are overt extremists doing violence BUT please realize that so called moderate Muslims IF they trly follow the Koran are covert extremists simply waiting for the time that SHARIAH LAW WILL PUT MUSLIMS IN CHARGE. I dislike having to say this BUT it is true and is already happening or about to happen in some European countries.
Report Post »vic138
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 2:47pmEvery american that cares should create a youtube video of them burning a koran with a hood on and an american flag in the background, similar backdrop to the beheading videos.
Report Post »Joseph
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 10:15amJones is brilliant!, Or could this be a ploy? What a brilliant way for the U.S Government and millitary to bring out and expose the underground extreamist and get them in public, and get the leaders to expose their true intent.
” Rev. Jones, CIA. We have a proposition for you, and to help get you a new church…” Interesting…
Report Post »MiddleFinger
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 10:29amWe are not outting them we are creating the
Report Post »MiddleFinger
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 10:30am*them
Report Post »daverag
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 2:03pmUnfortunately, the Quran is creating terrorists, not the actions of the US government.
Report Post »poppopschell
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 2:22pmDaverag, what truth you’ve spoken. Lucifer is smiling today as he sees one of his vioolent groups move ahead.
Report Post »poppopschell
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 2:29pmMiddlefinger isw an very interesting name. What have you chosen it?
Would you predict that Christians would start killing people who burned the Bible and declare a Holy War?? If yes, based on what evidence? We have tons of evidence that Muslims have already declared war in the past and using this to rile up other Muslims.
Lastly, are you person of faith?
Report Post »79USMC83
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 10:01amOn Sept. 11,2001 JIHADISTS burned down the WTC’s,Pentagon and a field in Pennsylvania along with 3000 Ameicans. America and the world were shocked but many Muslims danced in the streets. A radical pastor in Florida wants to burn a book and it is the American public that is outraged. The FBI is sent down right away. Where was the FBI while American troops funerals were being protested by the so-called Christian Church. No one will be dancing in the streets if he does this.One thing is for sure many of us are not going to be crying over it either!!! Already though he is being threatened and the American flag is being burned. The media spins the story as usual . It is all about the PASTOR!!! Wrong !! The story is about JIHADIST and the SHARIA LAW pigs!!! Someone and hopefully it is not one of our troops will be killed today in the name of ALLAH and SHARIA LA W!! Where is the POLITICALLY CORRECTNESS when you need it from the media?? JIHADIST and SHARIA LAW come from the KORAN. Not some pastor in Florida,not the Palistine State issue or any othe Western policy. Imam Rauf and the RADICAL MUSLIM’s want it to become a “HOLY WAR” What the pastor is doing is playing right into their hands. Great soundbites for the Muslims to use to preach JIHAD!!!
Rauf’s statement said. “We are not going to toy with our religion or any other. Nor are we going to barter. We are here to extend our hands to build peace and harmony.” LMAO!!!! You are doing a GREAT job of it!!!! We see right through you!! Either you are afraid of the RADICAL’S or you are one of them!!! You want PEACE and HARMONY then say the Mosque will be moved out of respect for the victims of the WTC’s. This JIHAD started way before Sept.11,2001.
Always Remember “The Peacekeepers” 241 marines KIA on Oct.23,1983 in Beirut,Lebanon while they slept by an Iran backed Hezbollah JIHADISTS!! and all the others killed by your PEACEFULL religion!!
Report Post »Rock Knutne ND
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 10:26amBurning the Koran is obviously a poor way to respond to terrorism…
However, let’s not forget that Bibles were rounded up and burned in Afghanistan after being offered to locals by our military.
…and of course barely covered in our main stream media.
Tolerance is a two-way street, unfortunately only in America.
Report Post »Citizen
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 10:40amSharia law is what many are ill informed about or simply take someone else’s word for it. Please don’t just use wikipedia as your resource either if you look up the subject. The pc crowd wants to gloss over their beliefs and just say oh they are peaceful its just a few radicals.
The laws of Sharia go contrary to the constitution of united states, to them it is greater so remember that – its why they stone people.
In old testament it says to stone some people as part of laws handed down by God, now judaism has been around awhile so i assume it counts as a religion. So now if some devout Jewish folks wanted to start stoning people in american streets does freedom of religion still apply ? its written in a book older than this country and we are free to practice our religion so stoning in the streets should be supported correct ?
sharias goal is to get in and overwhelm our system and change it into theirs – remember that simple fact.
Report Post »poppopschell
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 2:21pmCitizen, it is obvious you’ve done what Glenn Beck urges all of us to do. Find out the truth for yourself. I too have done that and can say 100% that the Koran and “‘rules ofr condust” dfor Muslims does advocate violence as necessary for Islam to turn the world over to ALLAH. Jesus was willing to die for truth and so should every Christian if that becomes necessay.
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