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Atheist Who Converted to Christianity After Threatening TX Nativity Lawsuit Emails to Say He’s Once Again an Atheist

Patrick Greene Who Threatened to Stop TX Nativity Is an Atheist Once More

Patrick Greene (The Athens Review)

It was an inspirational tale — especially for Christians who felt that Patrick Greene, an atheist from East Texas, had finally seen the light. But now, just weeks after announcing that he had converted to Christianity, the secular activist is, once again, a non-believer.

Last month, we reported about Greene’s conversion after he had initially threatened to sue over the presence of a nativity scene on the Henderson County courthouse lawn in Athens, Texas. Despite his actions against the religious symbol, local Christians came together to raise funds for him and his wife to purchase groceries after they learned of an illness he had been stricken with. Greene was so moved by the gesture that he converted to Christianity.

While the story made its rounds as an inspirational tale that showcases the power of kindness and giving, Greene’s transformation was short-lived. On Saturday, the activist e-mailed The Blaze to proclaim that he is no longer a Christian and that he has returned to his atheistic roots.

“The story you wrote last month about me, I thought you‘d interested in knowing that my ’conversion’ was temporary. It lasted less than a week,” he wrote. “I came to realize, after reading just the first half of the first chapter of Genesis, that I didn’t believe a word of it. I felt like I was insulting my own intellect.”

Patrick Greene Who Threatened to Stop TX Nativity Is an Atheist Once More

Henderson County Courthouse nativity scene (Image Source: The Malakoff News)

Greene said that the Genesis story that he read “wasn’t even close to being believable” and that he was merely captivated by the intensity and excitement of the situation. In addition to returning to secularism, Greene has reignited his anti-Christian activism. The Christian Post has more:

“I got all caught up in the excitement,” Greene, a retired cab driver who lives in East Texas since 2005, told San Antonio Express-News.

In an apparent attempt to play a victim, the 63-year-old resident of San Antonio said, “It’s easy to do when you get ostracized and treated like garbage. When you’re an atheist, you’re public enemy No. 1.”

Having gone back to atheism, Greene is opposing Christians once again. He fought against Mayor Julián Castro’s participation in the National Day of Prayer event on City Hall Thursday. In a lawsuit, he argued that the event was organized by evangelical Christians, was sectarian and therefore unconstitutional for a mayor to engage in.

So, it seems the former taxi driver is back in the atheist saddle. The temporary joy some Christians felt following his short-lived conversion has certainly dissipated. Now, the atheists who initially accused him of never truly being a non-believer before his conversion took place can, once again, find solace.

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  • IMCHRISTIAN
    Posted on May 7, 2012 at 9:54am

    God is always with us all but He is no fool.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 10:15am

      Phil 2:10 so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth

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    • sawbuck
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 10:15am

      Your right God is NO fool…BUT…
      With all the Warnings and Bible verses that GOD gave us to be careful of… WHO are authentic and WHO are false…
      I have My suspicions that we have quite a few Christians WHO are…

      Like I said before and caught heat for it ..he was a false prophet…
      He NEVER was a Christian …
      This Guy wanted to be a preacher to spread his version of
      Progressive-New-Age-Christianity ..
      I’m glad he decide to publicly hang up his false prophet HAT ..
      We have enough of them as it stands.

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    • Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 10:15am

      I could have predicted this. In fact, I did.

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    • darkknight91
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 10:51am

      I’m not surprised. I stated in the first story not to buy into his nonsense. Let him prove himself and time will tell the truth. The only thing that is surprising is how little time it took.

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    • morningbird1
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 10:52am

      Interesting….Here is a simple thought. Perhaps his “conversion” to Christianity was so short lived, or never actually happened because it was missing one major element. Jesus Christ Himself! The scriptures tell us we must confess with our mouth that He is Lord and Savior. If this fellow, didn’t ask Christ into his heart, to forgive him of all his sins and to make Christ the leader of his heart than he never “converted.” I can promise you this, if this fellow did actually do that, he would never be the same. When Christ enters the heart of fallible man, they are never the same!
      Lastly, the Bible is the story of Christ, its all written for Him. Don’t Start in Genesis, perhaps start in one of Gospels and begin to spend time learning of the One for whom the entire scriptures are written about and for.
      To be a Christian = Follower of Jesus, start with Him and then start walking, if you don‘t than perhaps you’re just practicing “religion” which is dead in the heart and therefore can pass from one day to another.
      Jesus Christ + Heart Change = Life Change Forever (not a week)
      Keep praying for this man, for Christ Himself loves him just as much as anyone else who has ever walked this earth.

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    • Thors Hammer
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 10:52am

      Obviously not much depth of convection. Tomorrow he‘ll likely be a ’Moonie’ or whatever. Christians don’t need those who subscribe to whatever is the latest fad. Move on. Pray for him to find his way, but don’t waste too many brain cells on this type.

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    • Leader1776
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 11:21am

      @LPHP
      No kidding. Always easier to follow nothing than someone else’s rules. Especially at his age.

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    • Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 12:28pm

      I had my own dalliance with fundamentalist Baptism when I was in high school. As soon as I graduated, that was over. I realized I was only trying to fit in somewhere and the place that came along was an independent Baptist church. When I was no longer forced to associate with all of the @$$hats that I called classmates, I no longer felt any sense of exclusion, so I no longer needed the emotional crutch of church. My experiments with religious faith as Christians understand it lasted longer than this guy’s, but eventually failed for the same reason. There’s no reason to believe in the veracity of anything in Genesis, or indeed, most of the Bible.

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    • zhaan
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 12:37pm

      @LPHP – Sooo many people equate evangelical Christianity as “Christianity” when it is only ONE movement within Christianity. Go to an Episcopal Church. Women and gays there are priests. The Bible is not seen as the “inerrant” word of God but the INSPIRED word of God – and Genesis is an allegory designed to explain something very complex in very simple terms, not the literal way God created the world.

      Just because evangelicals have a rigid view of the Bible doesn’t mean all Christians do. Evangelicals think they’ve cornered the market on truth but I disagree with them. I think they are good people who have found something that works for them… but they forget that Jesus never said “You must believe in a literal Bible” to go to heaven. Furthermore, Jesus didn’t say that believing that homosexuality is a sin was a prerequisite for heaven either. All that matters is opening your heart to God.

      So evangelicals may not like that “liberal” denominations allow gay leaders but I’ll say to them they are missing the bigger picture, which is LOVING GOD. At any rate, many good things are going on in other churches – don’t ignore that just because evangelicals make the most noise.

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 12:48pm

      This guy NEVER was a believer or a “christian”. Jesus does not lose those who are His. Unfortunatly the “seed” that was “planted” into his heart was stolen away by the enemy. There is a WHOLE lotta good science out there that defends the creation of Genesis … this guy never even seemed to make the effort.

      I find it “interesting” that his very actions PROVE the truths of God’s Word as he goes about trying to disprove it!

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    • yiska8
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 2:40pm

      If any group is under attack, it is Christians. Look at what he’s doing. Suing over a nativity scene. And he’s just one of similar lawsuits that seem endless. Atheists are the ones attacking the Christians on top of the hatred from the leftist media, and the Islamists around the world and historically!!! He’s a heady man and full of intellect. Bless him, for he’s lived a lifetime under this intellect and is still very lost. It’s not easy, having faith is it? It’s hard won for many of us. We have to get kicked in the gut and the teeth over and over until we come to accept without fear that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life and no one goes to the father except through him. That’s ok. He lives with a non-believer and has never been a believer himself. His way is not helping him, but he’s free to continue on. Enjoy free will, while you still have it. If anyone will be better off in the world and nation four years from now, it will be the atheists,for they are lovers of the world. God Bless.
      http://www.inspirationalstories.com/bibleverses/2-timothy-3-4-kjv-traitors-heady-highminded-lovers-of-pleasures-more/

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    • Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 3:13pm

      @ Zhaan:
      The “God of the Gaps” is small and getting smaller. I don’t think anything short of an Atheist congregation has the faintest glimmer of hope of attracting me as a member.

      As for Episcopalianism, I have no desire to be an American Anglican.

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    • Oldmantex
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 3:14pm

      Being such an intellect you would think he would have a better understanding of the First Amendment. Maybe take some of that free time and learn what it means and stop quoting the nonsense of separation of church and state, that never appears in the constitution.

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    • janedough1
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 3:46pm

      Lesbian Packing Hollow Points, whenever I hear someone say there is no evidence to support anything in the Bible, I know one of two things is true: either they never read or investigated the Bible, or more likely, they formed a conclusion first, and then threw out any evidence that didn’t support their conclusion. Neither is very scientific.

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    • Drives Like Jehu
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 4:31pm

      Too bad…yet another jane fonda type “conversion”??? (Matthew 13:9 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.)

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    • Marci
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 4:45pm

      No one gives a crap that you are an atheist. We have a problem with you making a religion out of destroying any religion. Funny that you don’t fight creeping Sharia Mr. Greene. Nope–what an idiot.

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    • PlowMan
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 5:15pm

      Morningbird, your right. Don’t forget though “you must be baptized for the forgiveness of your sins”. If he never confessed and was baptized then he was never a Christian.

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    • JediKnight
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 5:48pm

      @MorningBird: Genesis is the foundation, everything else always goes back to it. To ignore Genesis, or even treat it as an allegory like some do, is to open yourself up to those that would destroy you. If Genesis is treated as an unnecessary component, then the entire Bible falls apart.

      @PlowMan: Not entirely accurate. Even Jesus Christ forgave one of the criminals that was next to him on the cross. I don’t believe there is any biblical evidence that he was baptized before hand, yet Jesus said to him “Today, you will be with me in paradise” quite clearly indicating that a death bed confessional and acceptance of Jesus Christ (heart felt) will get you into heaven. Of course, once you’ve died, you no longer have that choice.

      Finally, just go back and read the original “conversion” article. His conversion wasn’t real and a few people here could tell. I even said, at the time (I don’t remember if I said it in the comments here or not) “If it’s real, that’s great. But only time will tell”.

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    • @leftfighter
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 6:42pm

      So either the Atheists were right that he was never a non-believer in the first place, or the Christians are right that he was never a believer. He says the Christians were correct.

      Either way, one side is right and neither side will truly trust him again.

      All I’d have to say to him is that the phrase of “freedom OF religion” not “freedom FROM religion,” and since the National Day of Prayer is an annual tradition of government pausing to pray that goes back literally to Washington, it’s settled that this is an acceptable practice and not against the First Amendment even in the slightest.

      “There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death.” -Proverbs 14:12

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    • Georgia Born and Bred
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 6:56pm

      Professor : You are a Christian, aren’t you, son?
      Student : Yes, sir.
      P: So, you believe in GOD?
      S: Absolutely, sir.
      P: Is GOD good?
      S: Sure.
      P: Is GOD all powerful?
      S: Yes.
      P: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to GOD to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn’t. How is this GOD good then? Hmm?
      (Student was silent.)
      P: You can’t answer, can you ? Let’s start again, young fella. Is GOD good?
      S: Yes.
      P: Is satan good?
      S: No.
      P: Where does satan come from?
      S: From … GOD …
      P: That’s right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
      S: Yes.
      P: Evil is everywhere, isn’t it? And GOD did make everything. Correct?
      S: Yes.
      P: So who created evil?
      (Student did not answer.)
      P: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don’t they?
      S: Yes, sir.
      P: So, who created them?
      (Student had no answer.)
      P: Science says you have 5 Senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son, have you ever seen GOD?
      S: No, sir.
      P: Tell us if you have ever heard your GOD?
      S: No , sir.
      P: Have you ever felt your GOD, tasted your GOD, smelt your GOD? Have you ever had any sensory perception of GOD for that matter?
      S: No, sir. I’m afraid I haven’t.
      P: Yet you still believe in Him?
      S: Yes.
      P: According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn’t exist. What do you say to that, son?
      S: Nothing. I onl

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    • Georgia Born and Bred
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 7:01pm

      P: Yes, faith. And that is the problem Science has.
      S: Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
      P: Yes.
      S: And is there such a thing as cold?
      P: Yes.
      S: No, sir. There isn’t.
      (The lecture theater became very quiet with this turn of events.)
      Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don’t have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.
      (There was pin-drop silence in the lecture theater.)
      S: What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?
      P: Yes. What is night if there isn’t darkness?
      S: You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light. But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and its called darkness, isn’t it? In reality, darkness isn’t. If it is, well you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn’t you?
      P: So what is the point you are making, young man?
      S: Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.
      P: Flawed ? Can you explain how?

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    • Georgia Born and Bred
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 7:04pm

      S: Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good GOD and a bad GOD. You are viewing the concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, Science can’t even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.
      Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?
      P: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.
      S: Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
      (The Professor shook his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument was going.)
      Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor. Are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?
      (The class was in uproar.)
      S: Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor’s brain?
      (The class broke out into laughter. )

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    • Georgia Born and Bred
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 7:05pm

      Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor’s brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?

      (The room was silent. The Professor stared at the student, his face unfathomable.)

      Professor: I guess you’ll have to take them on faith, son.

      Student : That is it sir … Exactly ! The link between man & GOD is FAITH. That is all that keeps things alive and moving.

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    • Warpspeedpetey
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 7:06pm

      @Lesbian Packing Hollow Points

      G-d of the Gaps arguments rely on confusing the word “empirical’ as used to describe the scope of the scientific method with the theory of knowledge Epistemic Empiricism. The former is just an adjective, the latter is a well known logical contradiction. Any statement to the effect that a proposition can only be true/verified/falsified by empirical evidence is itself a statement not true/verified/falsified by empirical evidence. A self refuting statement always represents a formal logical contradiction violating the Principle of Non Contradiction. That is the same thing as believing 1=0 or P=~P.

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    • morningbird1
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 7:16pm

      @Jediknight

      Let me simply clarify… I wasn‘t asserting skipping Genesis or throwing it to the way side or that Genesis isn’t important, it certainly is. I agree, all books of the Bible are absolutely necessary. I was simply making the point that when someone is kicking the tires of the Christian faith so to speak, they should go to the heart of the faith which is Jesus Christ. Start, there, learn what His message was, what he stood for and ultimately who He is and what he did (resurrected from the dead and conquered death) before you plunge headlong into Bibical scripture, that probably doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to someone who is completely new to it. I think that is a fair observation and has some truth to it. cheers

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    • hayesstephen
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:33pm

      People!People! For those who do not know their bible, please go to Matthew 13:3-9. Parable of the sower. Verse 4, …… seeds feel on the edge of the path and the birds came ate them up. v-5 others fell on patches of rock where they found little soil and sprang up at once, because there was no depth of earth,V-6 but as soon as soon as the sun came up they were scorched and,not having any roots they withered away.
      At the time he converted he believed, but having no depth of belief his little faith died.
      He needs prayer from believers not mocking.

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  • spirited
    Posted on May 7, 2012 at 9:53am

    I , My, Me ~~Oh my!

    It’s _ life.
    _can do what _ want to.
    _ am alone.
    _ am lonely.
    _ need help.
    _ am poor.
    _ am sick.
    _ an humgry.
    _ am in trouble.
    In _ hour of need

    Won’t YOU help _?

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    • hayesstephen
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:45pm

      Georgia born and bred. What a waste of time reading your ramblings.You have a fine intellect but are a , as the bible says ” the fools says their is no God.” ‘God is dead, Nietzsche.” I saw a bumper sticker that read,’ Nietzsche is dead, God.‘ Don’t kid yourself, there will come a time when all men scream for God. Take some time get on the net and research what great non-believers said on their death beds. And if your as smart as those guys I will apologize to you for the lecture.

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  • ScoobyCheese
    Posted on May 7, 2012 at 9:52am

    Well, at least he is sure of himself… wait… he’s not sure of himself… wait, “himself” is the only thing he IS sure of…
    Having a completely different world view for about a week makes about as much sense as the belief that nothing came from nowhere and made everything.

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  • capitalismrocks
    Posted on May 7, 2012 at 9:52am

    To each his own, if he can’t find the reason to believe in God, that is his own choice… just as long as he doesn’t push his Godless agenda on my kids or others. I don’t push God onto anyone, its a personal belief and you either have faith or you don’t, but I don’t appreciate the atheists and their outright attempts to discredit God and belief with their empty rhetoric.

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    • spirited
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 9:54am

      Amen !

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    • SaneAmerican
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 11:06am

      Respectful people respecting each others’ beliefs makes a strong America. I wish there were more people like you in this country. Unfortunately, when you open a space for government to push a God-ful agenda, the people with God-less agendas (and other God-and-Gods agendas…) have equal rights to that space. If the separation of Church and State were better respected situations like these wouldn’t exist.

      Why tarnish the sanctity of religion with the filth of government?

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    • HYPNOTOAD
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 12:46pm

      Don’t kid yourself, of course he is going to push his anti-Christ religion. Atheists can’t help themselves. They must try to bring down all Christians to their hopeless, Godless level. Notice how many atheists or any of the false faiths came to his aid when he needed it?

      The good deeds these Christians did for this dirt bag are not in vain. God saw it and will bless them for their selfless and Godly behavior. But this idiot will indeed kneel before Jesus one day and give account for all those he led astray.

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    • KMM
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 1:39pm

      @CAPITALISMROCKS

      Actually, atheists do a have a belief system. One‘s belief system is inextricably tied to one’s worldview. Everyone has a worldview that shapes the way you think and behave in society. What atheists call “lack of faith”, I call “a faith in self.”

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    • Dr Vel
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 7:11pm

      Yet he is pushing it on you and yours in the form of suing over Christian displays. To declare in public he has become a Christian and later refute it is lying to the Spirit and is the dog returning to his vomit. When his day of judgment comes the Lord will account more against him than he was already going to face. The entire purpose of this earth age allowing people to be evil or good is nothing more than the Lord’s method of proving what kind of people we really are, and whether or not He will choose to keep us. You cannot believe unless the Lord first sends His spirit to you and He knows all souls well enough to know to whom He will. Many think they believe and even proclaim this belief for their own vain reasons yet the truth is they never believed and the likelihood of them ever changing is vanishingly small. It is good that God’s love is great enough that while small at least the chance still exists if they do so in their allotted time. The first act of suing over mere displays would not be committed by anyone with whom the Spirit resides. In short the man was lying when he said he converted, for whatever twisted reason he had in his own mind. God easily sees the truth inside and will not be mocked, doing so is a sure method of increasing His anger far more than it already was.

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  • pwatkins
    Posted on May 7, 2012 at 9:49am

    I do pray for him bc it is better to have never known God than to have known Him and turned your back on Him. May God have mercy on his soul.

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  • Stoic one
    Posted on May 7, 2012 at 9:48am

    It is sad that I and others can tolerate him; yet he is intolerant of those who do not believe as he does.

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  • Waterlylys
    Posted on May 7, 2012 at 9:43am

    Before we insult, let’s remember the love that drove him to the cross in the first place. He needs prayer not slander or scripture to justify his walking away. Neither are helpful to the cause of Christ.

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    • spirited
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 9:55am

      How true

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    • Mrs.M
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 4:50pm

      Amen on that one. We should be remembering this at all times. It is not easy, but really for this story and most of them, rather than condemnation, we say a prayer. It is not our fight. This is between him and God. Lets advocate for God and give a prayer.

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  • SeanOConnor
    Posted on May 7, 2012 at 9:39am

    “Anti-Christian activism” is irrational. The alternative: pro-philosophy; rational activism, concentrated on the premise that existence exists and that thus, existence cannot be “created”, for that which created it would exist, making such an assertion contradictory.

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    • SquidVetOhio
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 10:50am

      You premise of non-exisistance of an existing object is illogical. An infinite existing object exists with or without your finite mind acknowleging it’s existance.

      My point, we can all use circular reasoning. Nice try.

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  • teddrunk
    Posted on May 7, 2012 at 9:38am

    Just look at him. Can‘t you see he’s from a lifestyle that hates the idea of God & sin. Of course he’s returning to his earthbound addiction.

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    • holy ghostbuster
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 11:13am

      What do you know about his “lifestyle?” Most Atheists are just like everyone else. You are probably friends with some and don’t even know it.

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 1:31pm

      @HG

      A few are, but most are not.

      Believe me !!!!

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    • teddrunk
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 1:55pm

      Perhaps, but in this case all you need is to look at the guy and you can tell.

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  • Walkabout
    Posted on May 7, 2012 at 9:38am

    As an aside since when is San Antonio in east Texas?

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    • Razlord
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 10:15am

      well, if you are west of san antonio it would be east…?

      fun logic.

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  • itsjustgigi
    Posted on May 7, 2012 at 9:36am

    No one said having faith is easy. It is often a slow and painful process as God prunes off the dead to renew growth. Sad that Mr. Greene will continue on his dark and ugly , lifeless path of hate and emptiness. There is nothing more beautiful than being in the presence of a life where God’s light brightly shines through. Now compare that to a being like Mr. Greene…

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    • hayesstephen
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:51pm

      Please read Luke 18.9-14. Pray for the man, do not judge him. Do not condemn him. Pray for him to return to his First Love our Christ. He’s lost and confused right now and we all MUST
      pray for him.

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  • NewLife56
    Posted on May 7, 2012 at 9:36am

    Do not give up praying for him, the seed has been planted

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    • deeberj
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 2:35pm

      Not all seeds take root and flourish. Go read that parable.

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    • Cesium
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 5:12pm

      ha.. wishful thinking.. Even the most intelligent people can have momentary lapses in brain function under duress where they experience the primitive thinking of the faithful.

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  • BurntHills
    Posted on May 7, 2012 at 9:35am

    it’s all about his LOOK AT ME special needs. just another anti-American atheist deviate.

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  • trolltrainer
    Posted on May 7, 2012 at 9:31am

    Go easy here Christians! It does not matter his motives or intentions…if any…He is just a sad little man who desperately needs God. He is at war with what he does not even believe in. If anything, just pray for him.

    This quote is quite funny:

    “Now, the atheists who initially accused him of never truly being a non-believer before his conversion took place can, once again, find solace.”

    Thanks for the laugh Billy Hallowell.

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    • TumbleBumble
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 1:29pm

      I also remember from the initial article that his wife is an atheist. Living with someone after your conversion can be very difficult and uncomfortable. I’ll bet that also came into play.

      Satan does not want to let Greene go easy and will fight for those he could use as a tool. Prayers are needed in abundance.

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  • hillbillyinny
    Posted on May 7, 2012 at 9:31am

    May the Lord continue to work in this man’s life to show His presence.

    Starting in Genesis to learn about God, is a poor place to start for someone who has not “believed” anything he can’t prove. If he had started in the Gospel of John and “witnessed” God on earth in the form of His Son, the WORD, he might have started to realize that Faith is so much bigger than “understanding”!

    “If thine enemy be hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink: For thou shalt heap coals of fire upon his head, and the LORD shall reward thee.” Prov 25:21, 22 (KJV)

    “Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap
    coals of fire on his head. [21] Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good. Romans 12:20-21 (KJV)

    Bless him with KINDNESS and prayers on his behalf “that his soul may be saved”!

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  • rotcarpenter
    Posted on May 7, 2012 at 9:29am

    Christians help the man out. For 1 week, he is able to be kind to them and then returns to slamming our faith. Atheists hate Christians. Their hate is sickening and disgusting. If he doesn’t want to believe that is his own business but after seeing how kind the Christian faith can be.. what in his mentally deranged mind causes him to think that he must threaten lawsuits again. He has learned NOTHING. I bet he will be voting for his GOD this November. Liberalism is truly a mental disorder.

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    • rckirby
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 6:05pm

      I’d have more respect for him if he said that he had read Genesis and decided he was wrong…..and then just ‘live and let live’.

      If he is again taking up the sword, we know who is guiding his hand.

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  • barber2
    Posted on May 7, 2012 at 9:28am

    “insulting my own intelligence.” Yes. Arrogance. The sign of an atheist.

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    • DoseofReality
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 9:44am

      Arrogance? Ok, please be honest here and answer which of the following position is more arrogant?

      1) I dont know where we came from or where we are going but to the best of my ability and logic, the most reasonable explanation is purely scientific. I believe that we evolved over billions of year from different life forms and all i can do is live the best life I can, live by the golden rule and enjoy the small precious amount of life we have on this earth. I dont know if we are the only intelligent life in the universe, but its so large and full of so much matter, that my best guess based on observable data is that there are many planets out there and the universe is probably full of life….or

      2) God made billions and billions of light years of matter for me and those like me. In fact i look just like God, the creator of everything. he listens to me daily and will reward me with eternity next to him. However, only people who think and believe the exact same thing as i do with get to sit next to him for eternity, everyone else that has ever lived, or will ever live that doesnt think exaclt like I do will rot in hell for all eternity, no matter how good a person they were.

      Honestly now, which is more arrogant?

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    • Blazebanned
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 10:01am

      @doseofreality aka encinom.
      What is really arrogant,is you posting the words of someone at media matters, and claiming them as your own.Remember the warning i gave you encinom,some day, some day……

      Drago.

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    • DoseofReality
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 10:05am

      Blaze –

      Those are my words, but Im sure Im not the first person to state something similar..No response to what was actually written other than that?

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    • DoseofReality
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 10:06am

      And i have no idea what else your talking about in your incoherant response – either contribute to the discussion or shut your idiotic mouth ok?

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    • krenshau
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 10:06am

      @DoseofReality, the question isn’t how good you are/were. The question is who’s side are you on. If you are a U.S. Citizen, then your allegiance is with the U.S. If your a citizen with another country, then your allegiance is with that country. That’s what Christianity is; it’s a question of where your allegiance is, not how well you behave. However, part of being a “citizen” Christian is doing and saying what the Christian God says.

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    • ScoobyCheese
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 10:13am

      @DOSEOFREALITY, I think you are looking at that the wrong way. Your first example puts your faith in science to explain the philosophical, which it cannot do. Science cannot explain the origin of life because it cannot be repeated and observed. Thus, we are forced to move into the realm of philosophy and logic. Your examples as you stated them are equally arrogant. One says there are no absolutes (which is impossible for that is an absolute statement), the other says I’ve found one. Both claim truth.
      Your first point says that life is precious and you live by the Golden Rule, but that is only because those are things you value. And, in the absence of God, rules and value are relative. In that case, there would be no such thing as arrogance – only one’s opinion (which would carry no weight since there is no ultimate authority).
      1. says that no one can know anything for sure (so by definition, you can’t be sure if that statement is true, so it is pretty arrogant to make it.)
      2. says that the best explanation is God exists and has made a way for you to know Him. You call that arrogance. Others call that “truth.” Call it whatever you want – it just means one of us is wrong.

      If making a definitive statement is arrogant, then we are all arrogant.

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    • DoseofReality
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 10:18am

      Krenshau – my point exactly – thank you for proving it. The vast, vast majority of people in this world take the faith of their parents correct? There is a reason why India is full of Hindus, why China has many buddhists, why iraq is mostly Muslim, etc. We are born in a certain area, to a certain culture and we adhere to that culture and its teachings, and generally that culture’s religion. Yes there are some who chage faiths, but thats the very small minority. As you have stated your allegiance lies with your country, your culture and your religion. From the Christian perspective you have to believe exactly what it states in order to get into heaven and avoid heall for all eternity. So in order for all these billions and billions of people in the world to save their souls and avoid everlasting torment, they have to do exactly opposite of what you state their allegiance should be? They need to defy their parents, their families and their culture of else they are doomed? Again, according to you its not how good of a person they are, they would need to sever and change their allegiance in order to be saved? They have to change to believe exactly as you believe in order to sit next to god for eternity. You dont find that arrogant?

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    • tzion
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 10:19am

      @Dose
      It’s is arrogant when you say “I believe G-d doesn‘t exist therefore I’m right and you are all wrong” and then proceed to force your ideas upon others who disagree. If he wasn‘t arrogant he wouldn’t care whether a mayor attended a prayer breakfast. The mayor is a citizen like anyone else and has all the same rights.

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    • Smeh
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 10:25am

      Doseofreality- your position on 1 presupposes the existence of large amounts of matter. You need to explain where the matter came from in the first place. I keep hearing atheists proclaim the same ideas about the evolution of the universe, but until you can give a convincing argument that there was nothing, then suddenly there was something, and everything came from that, with no orchestration, then you are blowing smoke. BTW, if we evolved over billions of years from other organisms, where are the billions of evolutionary footprints? Not there, If evolution is true, there must be an almost infinite number of fossilized precursors to each and every life form. We would be awash in them. Good luck with that.

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    • Mrs.M
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 11:02am

      Doseofreality I understand what you are trying to say, but you are missing a lot in the meantime. To try to sum things up in one paragraph is tempting, but incomplete. And you are trying to make people of faith look bad. That is not even keeping up with a tiny does of the golden rule unless you like to be minimized. If you would like to try to understand why people of faith believe what they do, then actually talk to someone who is really trying to walk the walk and talk the talk. Listen and learn. That is what I try to do for anyone who has a different point of view. It is the faires way.

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    • Chromo200
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 11:03am

      DoseofReality. Which golden rule .. “silence is golden”. .. So your existence on earth has no purpose, just matter that exists and dies someday. The arrogance is on your part. Atheists stop Christians from saying what they believe, but Christians still allow you to say and do what you want.

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    • SquidVetOhio
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 11:04am

      Christianity is the antithesis of arrogance. To become a Christian, you MUST humble yourself, aknowledge you’re base nature and hate it. You must admit that there is no righteousness that dwells inside of you at all. That you have sinned against your Creator and deserve an eternity of hell fire. At that point, you plead with God to have mercy. Then you must believe that the Creator and Judge of the universe had so much compassion on His worthless creation, that He left His throne in Heaven, came to Earth born to a poor family, never owned more than His clothes, was ridiculed, beaten, spit upon, and finally crucified so that we could spend an eternity with Him.

      Arrogance resides with the fallen creature who will stand and shake his fist at his unseen Creator and deny and blaspheme the very force that will give him his next breath!

      What is incredible is that instead of destroying this blaspheming creature, God will almost allways continue to show him mercy and pity him. God is Good!

      Do we believe most people are lost and doomed without Christ. Sadly yes and so did Jesus. “Narrow is the way and straight is the gait that leads to salvation and few there be that find it”. “But broad is the way that leadeth to destruction”.

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    • holy ghostbuster
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 11:21am

      @ Krenshau – “Christian is doing and saying what the Christian God says.” Now that is opening a can of worms!

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    • burnbabylon
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 12:53pm

      @DOSEOF
      You question is based on a false premise.
      Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

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    • DoseofReality
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 1:22pm

      Squid – see, the entire premise of christianity is immoral in my opinion…original sin? Come on now man….how can you look at an innocent baby, just out of the womb and say that it is inherenty evil and bad? That before its taken its first breath that child is already guilty and needs forgiveness, not based on any actions but just for being born. I dont agree with that, i never will, I think its a terrible ideology. I judge people by their actions, not by anything else. Any any sane, moral god would do the exact same thing. This is one of the many reasons I wholly and fully reject the bible. I feel there are many great morals included, but I cannot lie to myself and believe why I feel inside to be incorrect and immoral. is there a god? Maybe there is, i dont know. Religion is just mans interpretation and attempt to understand god.

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    • DoseofReality
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 1:29pm

      SMEH – of course there is billions upon billions of light years of matter. Thats just silly to even think that there isnt. i dont know where it came from, maybe everything has always existed, maybe there was some big bang, maybe “god” did it, i dont know.

      And please dont get into a discussion on evolution here, there are plenty of stories for that discussion….lets just leave it that the vast, VAST, VAST majority of data and evidence from every single branch of science supports evolution, so yes, i do take that theory to be as close to fact as possible. of course there will be tweaks, additional knowns, some things we think we know now will be refuted. Thats the great thing about science, its allowed to change with new data, unlike religion which can never change, and finding are adjusted to fit into your pre-conceived end.

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    • DoseofReality
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 1:34pm

      Chromo. Atheists stop chrsitians from doing what they want? You can say or do anything you damn well please, and you know that so stop with the persecution complex. Any in no wya is my life meaningless, I am a very happy and fullfilled person. In my opinion Im probably a hell of a lot more fulfilled than you. I dont look at this life as a test for another life. I look at everyday as being precious and wonderful, becasue like it or not this is the only life we are going to have. I find it sad that your entire existence is just trying to score points with some magical creator so that after you die you can hopefully enter a heaven you dont even know for sure exists. I find that sad and depressing….

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    • ScoobyCheese
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 2:09pm

      DOSE, you said: “Come on now man….how can you look at an innocent baby, just out of the womb and say that it is inherenty evil and bad? That before its taken its first breath that child is already guilty and needs forgiveness, not based on any actions but just for being born.”
      I have never had to teach either one of my children to do bad things. I have had to teach them to do good. Babies, for all of their cuteness and innocence, are the most selfish creatures on earth. They are aware of no other needs but their own. It‘s not malicious because they don’t know any better, but it’s not good, either. That does not make them “evil” in the sense that you think of the word (murderers, rapists, etc.) It just means that they are not righteous on their own (not perfect).
      But to say that we are born good and inclined to do good things is harder to believe than the fact that we are not.

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    • MemphisViking
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 7:13pm

      Dose, now you’re claiming that God should live by your standards. And you call Christians arrogant.

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    • PaxInVeritate
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 10:00pm

      SCOOBYCHEESE… It’s wonderful to see cogent philosophical arguments proffered in the thread (Posted on May 7, 2012 at 10:13am), but unfortunately they seldom get a response by your opponent in the discussion.
      That being said, if you take a theological approach to children before the age of reason, it would be the result of Original Sin (that being the taint of the Original Sin committed by the first humans deeming equality with God). Every human being that enters into this world has that stain on their souls. Therefore, the children’s actions before the age of reason are influenced by this. It is after they know the difference between right and wrong that they become accountable for their own actions.

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    • PaxInVeritate
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 11:55pm

      SQUIDVETOHIO…
      “aknowledge [sic] you’re base nature and hate it. You must admit that there is no righteousness that dwells inside of you at all.” 
      1st – I understand that your statement is “Calvinistic”, and the reasons for it. Calvin’s premiss is in error in that Original Sin is seen by him as our base/prime nature, which it is not. The fallen nature came into being after Man was created. Humans were first created in the image of God, and God Himself exclaimed the creation of humans as “very good” for it reflects His Devine Nature. This base nature became corrupted by Original Sin. It’s basic philosophical cause and effect.
      2nd – Once baptized Original Sin is washed away and we, through Jesus Christ’s redemptive sacrifice, are made clean. If done before the age of reason, the child is truly free from sin until the understanding of right from wrong (advent of conscience).

      God will always show mercy. It is a persons’ refusal to turn from sin, confess and seek His forgiveness that dooms a soul.

      Indeed, God is Good!

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  • Jezreel
    Posted on May 7, 2012 at 9:28am

    He was not genuinely saved or born again. Somebody religious probably had him say a “sinners” prayer and repeat a prayer after them. That is not working people. These so called sinners prayers are not in the eyes of Jesus, the truth. You have to lead a person to repentance and remission of sins in the name of Jesus Christ. People who are truly born again, just don’t question God especially when something bad happens. His people take things in stride and accept the will of God because they are His. We need no explainations.

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    • zhaan
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 12:27pm

      Fundamentalism and the idea of Biblical “inerrancy” do not work for a lot of people. There are many denominations that take a more nuanced view of the Bible, see Genesis as allegory, and have a less rigid view of Christianity. He unfortunately did not find those people it appears. It’s too bad “sola scriptura” Christians dominate the Christian landscape in America because it turns SO many people off of Christianity.

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    • beckwasfox
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 5:34pm

      Zhaan-I would submit to you that those who are following a more “nuanced” nuanced form of Christianity are not really following Christianity. If you believe in Jesus then you believe in the scriptures he taught.

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    • MemphisViking
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 7:16pm

      Either you believe the Bible or you don’t. People who say they only believe parts of it are really just doing what they want and making themselves feel better by pretending to believe in the Bible.

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  • dinadp
    Posted on May 7, 2012 at 9:25am

    Publicity hog jerk. Is he a Kardashian?

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  • Gonzo
    Posted on May 7, 2012 at 9:23am

    He’s more interested in attention than anything else.

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  • Duckhead
    Posted on May 7, 2012 at 9:22am

    We so desperately want to be our own god that when confronted with the consequences of acknowleging the real God, we just can’t deal with it.

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  • IndyGuy
    Posted on May 7, 2012 at 9:22am

    I knew the guy was a fraud…He’s merely trying to make money off of Christianity…Remember he was talking of starting a Ministry…Probably was thinking of Tax Free money…

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    • holy ghostbuster
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 11:26am

      Yes, tax free money, just like every other church, mega church, priest, and pastor. Isn’t it time for all religious organizations to start paying their fair share? Let’s start with Joke Osteen.

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    • deeberj
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 2:31pm

      HolyGhostbuster – I am a born again Christian, but I agree with you. I am sorry that churches have tax free status, because it gives the gov’t sway over what can be said from the pulpit. If they had no tax exempt status and were treated like a private club is treated, then preachers could preach what they want hire who they want and not be afraid of breaking some stupid rule.

      http://www.theblaze.com/stories/pulpit-freedom-sunday-pastors-defy-irs-by-talking-politics/

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  • PeachyinGA
    Posted on May 7, 2012 at 9:21am

    Saw that one coming … story to continue … when he needs charity from his Christian neighbors again.

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  • HornsFan96
    Posted on May 7, 2012 at 9:18am

    What a sad little man. Clearly, he is incapable of critical thinking or even knowing his own mind. He immediately goes back to insulting the very people with whom he claimed fellowship.

    And clearly, he’s a liar. He talked about studying the Bible on a daily basis as part of his conversion. Yet now, he suddenly finds that it insults his intelligence.

    I suppose now he will go back to harassing those who don’t agree with him. Sigh.

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    • KayNewby
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 9:36am

      Th bible did indeed insult his intelligence. It showed him how inferior his intelligence is compared to God’s intelligence.

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    • DeavonReye
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 10:30am

      What. . . . . intelligence is that? The one that claims that “hailstones are stored in a heavenly warehouse for times of battle”? That “lightning reports to god to get instructions as to where to strike”? The one that suggests that “the heavens are spread out like a tent”? The one where “two naked people were enticed by a ‘tree of temptation’ [though god never tempts] because a talking snake told them it would be be fine, and they believed him over this god?”

      Hmmmm. . . . . . . I think I will stick with realistic intelligence. After all, such [as above] is no more fantastic than Zeus hurling the lightning.

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  • deeberj
    Posted on May 7, 2012 at 9:18am

    But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

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    • ConservativeCanucklehead
      Posted on May 7, 2012 at 6:08pm

      Why do you quote an archaic translation of your ‘scriptures’?
      The answer goes to the root of faith for many — though not all — believers. They are charmed by the superficial ornateness of religious language, the comfort of ritualized behaviour, and the fantastic qualities of magical thinking. In other words, it is a childish fascination.
      Time to grow up.

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