Atheist Activist Who Threatened to Sue to Stop Texas Nativity Has Become a Christian
- Posted on April 5, 2012 at 8:23am by
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Patrick Greene (The Athens Review)
This is one of those stories that seems too good to be true. Last month, we told you about Patrick Greene, an atheist activist who threatened to sue over the presence of a nativity scene in Athens, Texas.
Despite his actions against the religious symbol, Christians came together to raise funds for him and his wife to purchase groceries after he fell ill. Now, as a result of the kind gesture, Greene has reportedly announced that he has become a Christian — and that he wants to enter ministry.
(Related: Christians Raise Funds to Help Atheist Who Threatened to Sue Over TX Nativity Scene)
It’s only been two months since the atheist was threatening to wage a legal war against the nativity scene in Henderson County. But something changed over the past 60 days. After residents found out that Greene was suffering from a serious eye condition that could lead to blindness and he was forced to retire, Christians‘ kindness transformed Greene’s worldview.
Henderson County Courthouse nativity scene (Image Source: The Malakoff News)
In the end, they offered him $400 for groceries and other needs (atheists raised additional funds). This simple gift, which was given despite ideological and theological differences, apparently caused Greene to re-think his atheistic inclinations. The Christian Post recaps his transformation from non-belief to an adherence to Jesus Christ:
“There’s been one lingering thought in the back of my head my entire life, and it‘s one thought that I’ve never been able to reconcile, and that is the vast difference between all the animals and us,” Greene told The Christian Post on Tuesday, as he began to explain his recent transformation from atheist to Christian. The theory of evolution didn’t answer his questions, he says, so he just set those questions aside and didn’t think about them anymore.
But when the Christians in a town that had reason to be angry with him showed him a gesture of love, he began reconsidering his beliefs altogether. He eventually began to realize that evolution would never have the answer to his questions, he says, and it was at that time he began to believe in God.
“I kind of realized that the questions I [was] asking you just had to accept on faith without doubting every period and every comma,” he said. He later began studying the Bible, both the Old Testament and the Gospels, and also discovered his belief that Jesus is the Son of God.
Greene says his wife, who remains an atheist, is surprised by his conversion. That being said, he claims the two are able to cope with their differences without putting one another down or bashing the other’s beliefs.
Perhaps more surprising than Greene’s conversion — which was unexpected considering his past activism — is his plan to consider entering ministry. The Post reports that he may become a part of a liberal congregation and that he may even start his own chapter of the Rainbow Baptists, a ministry to the LGBTQ community. Greene says that he believes the Bible’s original approach to homosexuality has been altered and that he feels strongly about rectifying it.
The atheist-turned Christian is also hoping he can inspire more people to read the Bible regularly. And he is no longer opposed the nativity scene he originally railed against so vehemently. He penned a letter to the Freedom From Religion Foundation explaining why the group’s views on the matter are incorrect and, as previously reported, purchased a star for the nativity scene.
It seems that turning the other cheek as the Christians did, while showing love can, indeed, have a positive impact.
(H/T: Huffington Post)
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ROMANS 10-9
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 9:17amPraise Jesus!
Jesus Lives!
Report Post »Stoic one
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 9:31amAmen.
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 9:37amGreat story of hope for the unsaved .
As Christians we walk by Faith and NOT by sight.
I’m glad that he pointed out …That Atheist do the same and
Report Post »No science could convince him otherwise.
ashestoashes
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 9:49amThe angels rejoice as well as Christians, when someone like this becomes saved..However..I hope that he accepts Yahwehs infallible word about homosexuality..I don‘t know what he means by the Bible’s original approach to homosexuality would be..and that he feels it has been altered and wants to change it.. I think the Bible’s aaproach to homosexuality is very clear throughout the Bible.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 9:51amThe thing I don’t like about Acts, and Romans is that they are just inaccurate to throw off the meaning of the Gospels. Because if you give men handouts such is what the government does in that they give people handouts, it actually kills their spirit because they see and feel the reward, but they do not see and feel the labor, and it makes people dependent on the government. Therefore if Jesus actually conducted the miracles as said in the New Testament, and yet people can not see or feel the labor, then it makes them dependent on the government of a church organization. So one should ask themselves did Jesus actually cure diseases, or did he change people’s view-points to where having a disease didn’t matter to them anymore, and like that they were healed?
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 9:53amBecause they did ask Jesus “For a sign” and Jesus said “This generation will receive no sign.”
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 10:00amYou don’t think they named an Octopus “Paul” for no reason do you?
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 10:06amAnd these generations which exist now have been receiving all kinds of signs of the result of worshiping in your temple (your mind) and yet people do not see the signs. Here’s a sign: Penicillin, and yet another sign, the automobile.
Report Post »bitter.clinger
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 10:10am“For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.” (Ephesians 6:12) “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.” Mathew 5:43-45
I hope that this man’s conversion is genuine – but that’s between him and God…either way the above words from Christ and Paul still hold true.
Report Post »USAMama
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 10:12amTwo things I want to say. First, I pray for his wife that she be saved also. It is not good to be unequally yolked. He is still a young Christian and has a lot of spiritual growing to do and I would hate for her to hinder that. Also I pray he finds a good church with strong leaders to help him find his way and stays away from the liberal LGT whatever it is. He is starting off on the wrong path and that concerns me. But if he is serious and truly accepted the Lord Jesus we know that it is a process, a growing and learning experience, and God never leaves a work unfinished. He’s got a lot of work to do, but may God Bless him abundantly. This is such a good testimony to Christ, I think God will use him in great ways.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 10:24amGod bless Mr Greene and God bless the good christians in Athens, TX who did as Christ has teached us and saved a soul in the process. God is really cool.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 10:25am@ITSJUSTIM I have seen people healed through prayer.. I saw one man having cancer and the doctors told him he would die..having an inoperable tumor at the base of his skull..the couple who came to the church meetings who brought this young man to the attention of the church stopped coming..the young man didn’t die for maybe two yrs..and when he did die..the autopsy confirmed that he had died of a virus.. I have seen hands laid upon a person for healing and that person receiving the Holy Spirit..did not care if they were healed for having known the Holy Spirit was in them..I have seen several instances of healing through prayer..and science has proven it.Scientific studieshave proven that people in hospitals who were prayed for without their knowledge faired better that the ones who were not prayed for..
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 10:41amThis is a story about false teachings…!!!
Report Post »I went to “the post” link above..
This WAS a great story until you dig a little deeper
And now he might become a preacher..
to preach “the gospels”
According to the GAY / LESBIAN Community ..????
This is what the BIBLE say’s will happen, in the latter days.
.People will be duped into false teachings.
thanks blaze for the curve-ball.
Wayner
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 10:45amI’m bothered that he said that “the Bible’s original approach toward homsexuality has been altered”… I,too, have read the Bible ( through,5 times in four different translations) and I fail to understand what he’s talking about… Who altered it? God condemed homsexuality in both the Old and New Testaments. But God did say in both Testaments (Deuteronomy and Revelation) that any man who added too or took away from what was written is accursed.
Report Post »flagbearer
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 11:00amGod works in mysterious ways.
Report Post »kenr1963
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 11:01amI was thinking the same thing until I read the last paragraph from the frying pan to into the fire.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 11:05amWAYNER and SAWBUCK…you have to understand Greene’s perspective. He was a militant atheist who has now through the works of Christians towards him become a “Christian”. He filters his belief through the liberal world he’s lived in all his life. This is not without precedent…when the Roman Emperor Constantine converted to Christianity…he filterd his belief through this paganism. I don‘t like the fact that Greene is embracing homosexuality and attempting to dilute the teaching of the bible on homosexuality but he’s new to the faith and was immersed in liberalism before hand. He many never abandon his embrace of homosexuality…but his sould has been saved. All we can do is remind him Jesus himself reitered the T’orah in the New Testament and said very clearly that the ONLY union blessed by God is the union between a man and a woman. It’s up to Greene to catch up on that. If he believes the intent of the bile was changed on that..then he’s still clinging to the foolishness he did previously.
Report Post »shogun459
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 11:26amAmen, may the Lord bless him and keep him, give him wisdom, strength and understanding.
Report Post »Kankokage
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 12:15pmIt’s just tim: Please find a way to get your point across with fewer words and posts.
AvengerK: Agreed 100%. Anyone immersed in the type of hatred that would bring about his prior lawsuit will have to take baby steps towards the light. While his church of choice leaves much to be desired, it is a step in the right direction. After all, that’s what God expects of us: repentance, faith, baptism, conversion through the Holy Spirit, and perseverance till the end. He doesn’t expect perfection, he doesn’t expect us all to be Moses, but he wants us to try as hard as we can to be better each and every day. No matter what our shortcomings, God has a way of healing and helping us the rest of the way. I rejoice that a man so lost can be found.
Report Post »db321
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 12:29pmSawbuck – there is still room at the Cross for you – I would like to help you understand how not to fall into the trap of following a false prophet like a Mohammed, Hitler or the next up coming Anti-Christ.
A false Prophet will edify himself to promote a cause or agenda and a true Prophet will edify God! In fact if the Anti-Christ was here today he would promote and support Obama care under that premise that only this man can save you – in fact the devil will lie and may even blame it on the supreme court judges, raciest and Conservatives. None of this edifies God – it only edifies the man saying it.
There is not a man walking on the face of the Earth that can save you – in fact the Bible teaches us that men will always let you down. Jesus will not.
We all will one day account for every word and deed in our life – in the end times the Bible teaches us that many will be deceived by the false prophet – even the wises among us. Ignorance and self gain does not make a man wise – knowing how to tell the difference makes you a wise man.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 12:50pmMay the peace of Christ be with him and his family.This is an Easter gift from Jesus reminding us to keep the faith!May his wife see the light too!
Report Post »TH30PH1LUS
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 12:53pm“By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” ~ Jesus
Patrick Greene, welcome! You’ve taken your first step into a larger world.
May I humbly suggest that before rushing out into “ministry”, that you simply spend time listening to and absorbing the Word of God? Let it speak for itself, and teach you. Sit under a ministry that has been proven by time and preaches the Scriptures boldly.
Suggested reading to strengthen your new faith: http://www.amazon.com/Know-Why-Believe-Paul-Little/dp/156476754X
http://www.amazon.com/Mere-Christianity-C-S-Lewis/dp/0060652926/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1333644648&sr=1-1
http://www.amazon.com/Evidence-Demands-Questions-Challenging-Christians/dp/0785242198/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1333644681&sr=1-1
Report Post »rt elms
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 1:00pmI’m not too concerned about his “ministry” to the gay community. If he truly became a believer, the Holy Spirit will guide him into “all truth” just as Jesus said.
Report Post »mcsledge
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 1:01pmItsjusttim – Yes, Christ can make men whole both physically as well as spiritually.
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 1:57pmgood and amen.
Report Post »cuinsong
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 2:13pmThe fact that he is having second thoughts about life is and how it came to be is encouraging. I hope other non believers will take note and rethink their position. The facts are before your if you have eyes too see and ears to hear. This song is how I feel about God “His Amazing Grace” http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_11772079
Report Post »EndTheFedNOW
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 2:36pmhttp://www.timesofisrael.com/israels-us-envoy-slams-libelous-article-on-palestinian-christian-access-to-jerusalem/
Thanks Israel.
Report Post »JohnGalt
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 3:25pmWhen we show the love of Christ, amazing things can happen!
Report Post »zhaan
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 4:15pmThe important thing is he found Jesus. Good for him for wanting to reach out and minister to gays and lesbians. Differences in theology or Biblical interpretation don’t matter – it’s the faith in Jesus that counts!
Report Post »monster123
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 4:16pmWho cares.
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Report Post »SgtBarrett
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 4:32pmThe original article states, “Greene plans to either join a nearby liberal congregation or may even start his own chapter of the Rainbow Baptists, an outreach ministry of The Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists that supports the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community.”
Really??? How does this make him a Christian? This makes him not a Christian. You cant pick and choose the things that offend God. Choosing to leave out parts of the Bible to suit your own warped ethics does not make you a Christian any more than the adulterous pastor who preaches from the pulpit.
Good grief people. Get a clue!
Report Post »P C BE DAMNED
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 4:42pmtim
As usual your comments confound me. Why don’t you use common english to present your ideas as I am not so educated as you and you come off confusing. You know God said he was not the author of confusion. Let me make this plain. Your comments are full of sh.it.
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 5:42pmThankyou DB321
I would like to extend to you the same courtesy please read.
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From “the post”
…
Greene plans to either join a nearby liberal congregation or
may even start his own chapter of the Rainbow Baptists,
an outreach ministry of The Association of Welcoming and
Affirming Baptists that supports the lesbian, gay, bisexual and
transgender community.
He says he feels strongly that homosexuality is acceptable in Christianity,
and claims the Bible’s original approach to issues of homosexuality
has been altered over the last 2,000 years.
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2 timothy 4:2-4
2Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season;
correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction.
3For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine.
Instead, to suit their own desires,
they will gather around them a great number of teachers
to say what their itching ears want to hear.
4They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
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Notice the deception ..
Notice what the word of God say’s about it.
Who’s not following “sound doctrine”
Me or a Mr. Greene… ?
This man is thinking about becoming a preacher “of a church”
that endorses homosexual behavior.
Do you believe homosexuality is a sin…..?
Report Post »Are you alright with Mr. Greene becoming a preacher…?
sawbuck
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 6:00pmCorrection…….“The Christian Post ”
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 6:09pmAvengerK (Posted on April 5, 2012 at 11:05am)
Great post!
Report Post »goldmind
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 6:27pmGive me $400.00, and I’ll believe in god for a day. Evolution aside, religion has and always will be a dependency for the blind, and a windfall for the churches, synagogues and mosques. If there is a god, he/she/it. w ould certainly not want anyone to kneel to another who professes to know the will of said god. Scriptures and fiction have much in common. When man, with limited success, projected himself as a deity and walls and power started crumbling, he had to invent a substitute to manage the gullible masses. The real gods throughout civilized (if you want to call it that) history have been money and power. many of you who profess god as your beacon in this forum, know this to be true because it is what you aspire to.
Report Post »nzkiwi
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 7:24pmKindness, goodwill, and a forgiving attitude are very powerful tools. Much more so than hate, anger, and aggression.
Report Post »Onowicit
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 8:57pm@ashestoashes
Whats a Yahweh?
don’t answer that.
Report Post »Onowicit
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 9:09pmI wondered what happened to Phil Donahue.
Report Post »adeleeeee
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 10:49pmYEAH! Jesus earn another precious soul and also another lose for the leftism, liberalism, communism, socialism and atheism what ever you name it….YAYAYA!!!
Report Post »Xyskalla
Posted on April 6, 2012 at 1:43amTurning the other cheek and the sacrificial giving of $400 is real Christianity at work. Too often, even here on this web site, I see so-called professing Christians retaliate with name-calling and other insults. You might score a point that way, but you’ve lost the person, and a person is infinitely more valuable, being made in the image of God. Why can’t we just take Jesus at His word when He tells us to turn the other cheek? Or when He tells us to bless those who curse us and pray for those who use us? It works, because He will make it work.
Report Post »Xyskalla
Posted on April 6, 2012 at 2:17am@ashestoashes
It‘s not that I don’t believe in the power of prayer–I do. My own mother, after 3 years of going to dialysis 3 times a week, was suddenly told she didn’t need it any longer. The doctors can’t explain it. However, I have doubts about these “scientific studies” you mention that prove “that people in hospitals who were prayed for without their knowledge faired better that the ones who were not prayed for.”
Here’s my problem with that:. How can they know that nobody is praying for someone? There is no possible way for researchers to know that. I pray for people on the other side of the world. They would never know that. Sometimes I pray for people that I lost contact with years ago, and they would never know it, much less a group of scientists. I can look back on periods in my life that I am absolutely certain that somebody had been praying for me, but I don’t know who they were, and I’ll probably never find out this side of eternity.
Prayer is powerful because the God who answers prayer is powerful, and He responds to us. But the very basis of these studies you mention is flawed, so it‘s probably best if you don’t repeat it so you don’t lose credibility for using faulty evidence.
Report Post »Ivan in Phoenix
Posted on April 6, 2012 at 2:17amFrom Luke 6 KJV
27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.
30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
Report Post »johnjamison
Posted on April 6, 2012 at 9:23amOn it’s face it sounds good. But it also sounds like he want to stop being an atheist activist and become liberal activist with in the church. Liberal activism in the church only serves to tear down God and attempts to embrace ideologies that are clearly immoral in God’s eyes
Report Post »I would hold up on the celebration of this man saying he wants to be a minister. Liberals destroy everything from the inside out. Just look at the state of our country,our government,our schools,public workers industry,and unionized private sectors.
sawbuck
Posted on April 6, 2012 at 10:50amThank you johnjamison
That’s all I was trying to say…
And it came out wrong…
I was a upset, in the fact that “the blaze”
didn’t make this point known…
Mr. Beck use to be careful about this kind of
inside-out destruction and kept everyone “in the know”.
The Blaze.. missed the “true story“… on this one..
Report Post »00gabooga
Posted on April 6, 2012 at 11:20amAmen. He was welcomed in true Christian fashion. I hate to feel smug, as it’s rather UN-Christian, but I can’t help but wonder how a certain sect (cough, islam, cough) would have treated an “INFIDEL” like him after speaking out against them.
Report Post »PaxInVeritate
Posted on April 6, 2012 at 1:05pmI realize that this has been stated by some, but it needs to be reiterated.
Mr. Greene is still suffering from the underlying sin of atheism. That being the sin of Pride. Atheism uses the “intellect of reason” to conclude that God doesn’t exist, because… the Devine is unobservable; the Devine allows natural disasters; the Devine allows disease; the Devine allows man to commit genocide…. The list of objections goes on and on, but the underlying issue is the pride of intellect. Now, Mr. Greene is committing the sin of pride by not accepting The Word of God for what it is. Jesus Christ didn’t come to abolish the Law but to fulfill it. That which God the Father finds abominable before His eyes remains abominable. If a person recognizes the sin, repents and never commits that sin again, then the sin will be forgiven. Period. It’s that simple. Deeming what is considered by God, as a sin, as being misinterpreted and taught in error by God‘s chosen People is an affront to God’s Spirit which inspired the Prophets to write, say and enact what they did. It places the human intellect above God’s to discern what is right and acceptable to God Himself, which is the Original Sin, elevating one’s self to the level of God.
Report Post »Mr. Greene, Sir, please reconsider what you are thinking. Still fasting and praying for your conversion.
Xyskalla
Posted on April 6, 2012 at 1:10pmHis liberal views don’t bother me so much, for the moment. It doesn’t mean his conversion isn’t genuine. Everyone has to start somewhere. Everyone brings their preconceived notions with them when they first become Christians. If his conversion is genuine, God will wean him away from them just like He does with the rest of us. (Fortunately for us, He is so much more patient about it than we would be.) Greene will learn in time that we can’t pick and choose what we want to believe.
What does bother me is that he is so quick to decide to become a pastor. Even if he agreed with my views 100%, it would still bother me. Someone needs to point him to 1 Timothy 3:6 where Paul said that an overseer must be “not a new convert, so that he will not become conceited and fall into the condemnation incurred by the devil.” I know from experience how true that is. Greene needs a lot of seasoning and has a lot to learn before he’s ready to teach and lead others, so I hope somebody puts the brakes on his plans for now. He can still minister in other areas, and the experience would be good for him.
Report Post »PaxInVeritate
Posted on April 6, 2012 at 6:26pmXYSKALLA, forgive me, but since you didn’t direct this to anyone in general, I would like to respond. If there was proper edifying of Mr. Greene in regards of entering into the Christian faith he would be less inclined to fall into error. In regards to his authenticity of conversion, only God and he knows, we must take it on faith that he means what he proclaims. As for “wean[ing] him away from“ his ”preconceived notions”, how is this to happen? God doesn’t do this in a vacuum. If those of us who have been immersed in their faith in Christ do not speak up to help direct the neophyte, then the foundations of their faith are left to the shifting sands popularism. There are more than just Mr. Greene mentioned in this article. There is the “liberal congregation ” and “Rainbow Baptists”. It isn’t whether he agrees 100% with my views on any matter that counts, but God’s, which is clearly stated in the Bible. If others wish to take issue with what is agreeable and abominable to God, that is their right (free will), but if they state openly what is known to be in error by what is written, then we, as brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ, are obligated to inform them of their error. That is what is truly meant as “our brothers keeper”. To quote the article, “Greene says that he believes the Bible’s original approach to homosexuality has been altered and that he feels strongly about rectifying it.” This is no small matter, and needs to be corrected in faith. Reread my
Report Post »snooop1e
Posted on April 6, 2012 at 8:13pmThis is the face of the emerging (no doctrines, no commandments, nothing is really sin if you just believe) “Christianity” . Conversion in the Bible is a turning away from previous ways of thinking and acting not just confessing out loud that there is a God or that Jesus is our savior. Even the Demons admit that there is a God and they tremble but they refuse to OBEY God and they are not “Christians”. The emergent church / emerging “Christianity” says that the ONLY thing necessary to be “SAVED” is to acknowledge God (as if we are somehow doing God a favor by admitting that He exists) Simply acknowledging God does not “SAVE” us. We have to pick up our cross daily and deny ourselves. We have to DIE TO SIN. Anyone who says that they LOVE GOD but does not obey Gods Commandments is a LIAR and does not know God. 1 JOHN 2:3-5 “We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did” Pretty clear, we MUST walk as Jesus did. Homosexuality was not something that Jesus did or approved of. Conversely 1 JOHN 5:2-3 says ” This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burde
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on April 7, 2012 at 1:23pmAll I see in this story is a guy associating himself with whoever can supply him with the almighty dollar
Report Post »Xyskalla
Posted on April 7, 2012 at 1:50pm@PaxInVeritate
“Less inclined” doesn’t mean immune. Remember he is a brand-new Christian. God doesn’t zap us with sinless perfection and 100% correct doctrine at the moment of salvation. We all have different starting points, different levels of knowledge, different biases and misconceptions, and we’re all messed up where we start. Greene’s mess is different from your mess, and yours is different from mine, but it’s the same God who takes us from where we are to where He wants us to be. It’s all part of sanctification, and sanctification is a life-long process.
How is God to do it? I don’t know, ask God. How has God sanctified millions of Christians in persecuted nations who have never seen a Bible and are cut off from fellowship with other believers? He’s God, He can do what He wants. He has more methods at His disposal than there are people. It isn’t ideal, but He isn’t hindered by it.
Of course Christians should try to steer him to a better church, it would benefit him greatly. But that wasn’t my point. My point was that we shouldn’t automatically doubt his salvation just because he has a bad choice of churches. He’s brand new and might not know any better, but if he’s genuine, the Lord will take care of that in time. The Lord isn’t done working on him, He’s only just started. If his conversion is genuine, he’s still in a much better place than he was a few months ago, and we should be thankful for that.
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 9:15am.
Report Post »Ya’ll need to send Obama $400 dollars……..We need a Miracle………
AvengerK
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 10:22amHe‘ll just say you’re not paying your fair share.
Report Post »NO-MORE-WAR
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 10:23amIt seems to me basing this off your user name and comment you’re a racist, prejudiced,person who APPARENTLY hates his president and doesn’t believe when he says hes not a Muslim just because some of his siblings are . If you didn’t sound like a racist christian that believes in fairy tails of two gods maybe i would listen to what you said so you might want to change your user name before someone like me really gets upset. please and thank-you have a happy Easter! :)
P.S.I didn‘t call you a hick because you’re not supposed to insult people online,especially your president.
Report Post »Kankokage
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 12:01pmNO-MORE-WAR:
Your powers of deduction are superhuman. You could tell all of that just by the username? Wow! But seriously, lay off your grandma’s meds there, bro; she needs them more than you do.
And you might want to take a time machine back to Bush’s days and tell your fellow liberals not to insult the president online. Oh, and also that they shouldn’t project their own insecurities and bigotries upon others, because that would just be weird.
Report Post »hatchetjob
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 12:17pmSPANK, that’s not enough skin in the game.
Report Post »USACommoner
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 12:27pmNoMoreWar: I thought his username referred to the act of m@sturbation, but what do I know…sorry Spank. You folks carry on…
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 3:25pm.
Dear No More War,
Sweetie, you go right ahead and get upset, I’ll get you a tissue……
I appreciate the backup ya’ll….
Report Post »edmundburk
Posted on April 6, 2012 at 11:45pmhe’ll use that $400 for a golf outing…
Report Post »Docrow
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 9:14amYay God!
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 11:50amHooray!
Report Post »binge_thinker
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 2:33pmIt‘s kind of like Dinesh D’zousa says. Most atheists are wounded theists mad at God or just have been wounded so deeply that they distance themselves from God. Thankfully, God’s love and grace can penetrate even the hardest hearts.
Report Post »bitter.clinger
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 3:14pm…this is just an aside comment, but looking at that nativity pictured here in the article – does anyone else find it frustrating that you cannot buy a freakin Jewish-looking Nativity scene?!?!? Everywhere you see Nativity scenes for sale the people are never Semitic …always some fair-skinned, stereotypically European looking Mary, Jesus and Joseph, etc…Jesus was not born in London, Paris or Rome, ya’ll. I sense an opportunity for some enterprising Capitalist to make a buck and satisfy a need…hop on it somebody. Do it up right and I’ll be first in line to buy from you.
Report Post »edmundburk
Posted on April 6, 2012 at 11:49pm@ BINGE THINKER- that was me to a T untill I came to god except that I was’nt an athiest, more of a Diest.
Report Post »RRFlyer
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 9:13amIt‘s amazing how atheists can’t even stand for Christians to have their own opinions without throwing in their little barbs to try to make the Christians angry. (say what you may, you will never get real Christians to turn away from God)
Report Post »Satan is alive and well on The Blaze. Satan loves people who don’t believe in him because they are so easy to make do his bidding.
Dde13
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 9:34amAMEN….God Bless you brother. I’m not surprised!
Report Post »pantokrator
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 10:11amSatan doesn’t love anything. If he did, he’d want you to follow God. He wants you to suffer in hell forever with him. As soon as Satan gets you to turn from God and cast away all that is righteous, he doesn’t give a single care for you anymore.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 10:26amRRFLYER…there is no love in hell. The devil is devoid of love. To be in hell is to be outside of God’s love.
Report Post »Kankokage
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 12:21pmThose in a miserable state only wish to bring others into a miserable state, with the false belief that thereby their misery will be diluted. Satan is working overtime in all corners of this world to bring as many to his miserable state as he can – not because he loves them, but because he hates himself.
And I wouldn‘t go so far as saying Hell is being outside of God’s love, but rather immune to God’s influence. God does not hate any of his children (as God is Love, hatred would cause Him to cease to be God), but his children can, by their actions, lose the ability to be influenced by his love. That is Hell.
Report Post »drago
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 9:11amI guess hes proof of the old saying, “there are no atheists in fox holes”.When it comes down to it,its things like this, that open peoples eyes to God.Like ive always said, hold a gun to an atheists head and pull the hammer back, they will find God right away……….
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 9:08amGod works in mysterious ways…
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 10:21amhe sure does. lesson to all of us those small gestures of kindness can go a lot farther than we can imagine so don’t ignore the calling to do so. amen love this story
Report Post »Rainbow Dash
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 12:05pmNothing mysterious about this in my opinion. He was shown unconditional love and generosity, which then caused him to open his heart to new ideas.
Report Post »silentme63
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 9:08amhey
Report Post »hatchetjob
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 12:20pmhey, welcome to the Blaze.
Report Post »silentme63
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 9:07amI didn’t believe in Jesus, my brother a christian would talk about the Lord, and the bible non stop.. I did everything to avoid him, finally broke down and started reading and studying bible. I asked God to help me to understand his word I can truly say he is alive and well within those that love him. SIN is what keeps us apart from him, we need to REPENT with all our HEART, and SOUL… Nothing in the world is better than knowing the truth the BIBLE is a Heavenly guide into the true nature of our existence.. Seek truth, the world is full of Lies, deception. Bible says do not love the world or anything in it for if anyone loves the world the love of the father is not in them..(1 john 2:15) its the prince of darkness that rules this world. I pray for all that set their eyes on this message.. God Bless you.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 9:54am@SILENT63 Praise be to God for your Christian brother..Silent.. and for your heart.. I was listening to a teaching the other day and he said that a believer in the family can be the gateway for the rest of that family to be saved..
Report Post »THX-1138
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 9:07amIf it helps him treat his fellow human beings better then I’m glad for him.
Report Post »If it helps him find peace, even better.
brntout
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 8:58amI can’t help but think back to the interview of Obama and Snuffuluggleus,where he declared his Muslim …er Christian faith.
Report Post »johnjamison
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 9:09amOn it’s face it sounds good. But it also sounds like he want to stop being an atheist activist and become liberal activist with in the church. Liberal activism in the church only serves to tear down God and attempts to embrace ideologies that are clearly immoral in God’s eyes.
Report Post »That being said I’ll just do the Christian thing,wish him and his family well and be glad he’s at least starting to see the love God has for all.
darkknight91
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 9:56amJJ, I’m glad you see that in this article. After reading all the “praise Jesus” replies, I was beginning to think I was the only one. I don’t trust anyone that converts and immediately wants to enter the ministry. This guy needs to sit down, shut up, and be taught something if he’s sincere. Paul was far smarter and more intelligent than this guy and he himself had to be taught and get his mind right before entering the ministry. Sounds to me like he wants to take his atheist activism and start polluting the church with a bunch of liberal phooey.
Report Post »NewLife56
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 8:56amAnd Blaze? Thank You for bringing stories like this.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 8:56amAlways a plus when people can see the positive aspects of Christianity! Good for him; but more than that, good for the residents of his town who helped him. Leading by example: it’s the Christian way!
Report Post »G-WHIZ
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 12:45pmEach person gave from their individual heart…the money was not stolen(taxed-forced) and then spread-around for political expediency to those who expect it for free all the time.
Report Post »They discovered his hidden-serious problem…offered(un-forced) assistance-to-help…without expecting or wanting anything in return…just wishing hIm well…LOVE-IT!!
NewLife56
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 8:55amWelcome Brother to the family of God, It’s an honor to have you join us for Eternity. Well done.
Report Post »sunnydog
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 8:55amso happy he has been saved
Report Post »LouC57
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 8:55amAmazing what God can do. What Christians can do when a project is done with love and forgiveness.
I‘d ask the skeptics and those concerned about this man’s opinions on homosexuality to chill. Sometimes it takes a while (in my case, over 30 years) to change an opinion. He’s probably not read the Bible with his new eyes yet…
Report Post »Dde13
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 8:51amI PRAY GOD KEEPS HIM IN HIS HAND. Now that he says he believes the tough part begins Satan hates all that God loves, Satan lost one of his disciples and will challenge him in every way. The spiritual warfare battle is all around us.
Report Post »Hydra
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 8:57amWow, Satan and God huh? What’s it like living in a fantasy land?
Report Post »Dde13
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 9:06amYes, Satan and God! The bible is not fantasy. you can believe or choose not to.
Report Post »seanscythe
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 9:15am@Hydra Same one as you but better in every way.
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 9:44amhydra ..You walk by faith too..you just don’t want to admit it.
Report Post »Lone Ranger
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 8:51amI certainly have no problem believing it. When people make such a radical change in their life, it nearly always happens overnight, rather than over a long period of time. That’s what happened to me. In was converted in an instant.
Report Post »THXll38
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 8:47amFrom one radical extreme to another — good job!
Report Post »chips1
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 8:44amIf you believe this, you probably believed Obama. Just another Pied Piper. Same story of killers in prison that suddenly see the light.
Report Post »angelcat
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 8:49amTime will tell. This does seem very sudden. I will have to see if it lasts. I hope it is true, though. It makes a great Holy Week story.
Report Post »William Andrews
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 8:43amGod is good. Sunday is Easter – Resurrection Day. Sounds like Mr.Greene’s life has been resurrected! Hallelujah!
Report Post »Hydra
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 9:00amHell yes easter is the best, zombie Jesus comes back from the dead. Now if he only ate the brains of the sinners that would make for a much better story.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 11:11amWhere’d you get “Zombie” from HYDRA? Jesus was not a reanimated corpse from a George Romero film. He rose alive with all his faculties and power. The only zombies around here are you and CHAMELLONX with your laughably flaccid anti-christian rote. You’re both on automatic pilot..like zombies.
Report Post »Agnostician
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 12:38pmNever liked the concept of Zombie Jesus… How about Vampire Jesus.. they resurrect, are charismatic, like to involve people in blood rituals, are fully capable to communicate, etc…..
Report Post »binge_thinker
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 2:38pm@ Hydra
That is so new and original. I’m sure it only took about half the day for you to think those gems of ignorance up.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 4:21pmANGOSTICIAN…you like “Vampire Jesus” do you? Where does the resurrected Christ drink anyone’s blood to sustain a walking corpse? Can you offer me anything in the texts to support your buffoonery? You just bleat whatever comes into your angry little atheist head don’t you sport?
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 4:27pmAGNOSTICIAN..clearly you’re not all there. The first Christians were called “atheists” were they? No..they were jews and later included gentiles. None of them were atheists. They were called apostates because they abandoned the beliefs of Judaism and took up Christ’s new convenant. Again..not atheists. It is clear at this point that you have nothing credible to offer but your veiled insults and uninformed “smartarsery”. Get better material kid.
Report Post »edmundburk
Posted on April 7, 2012 at 12:01am@AVENGERK- I hate to admit it, but that dude was right, the first christains were called athiest because they did’t worship the roman gods.
Report Post »Welcome Black Carter
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 8:40amSo now he believes the Bible, just none of the many parts which pertain to homosexuality…
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 8:50amyes…They let him pick and choose what to believe, so I doubt the conversion.
Report Post »Hydra
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 8:57amMakes sense, since it is a fictional book anyway, why not pick out the parts you want.
Report Post »chameleonx
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 9:00amI agree Hydra. Many religious people gloss over the “not so” good parts of the bible in order to convert people. It is not only the Christians who do this. But are some of the biggest sheep on the planet.
Report Post »TRUMPETCALL
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 9:43amIf the Bible is the inspired Word of a great living God, then it is the standard by which mankind—including this “picker & chooser”—will be judged.
It all stands or it all falls together. Either the Bible is a book of truth from start to finish—and mankind should tremble before it:
“All these things my hand has made, and so all these things came to be, declares the LORD. But this is the one to whom I will look: he who is humble and contrite in spirit and trembles at my word.”(Isa. 66:2)
—or, as Paul wrote to the Romans:
”Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity…. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.”
This rightly describes today’s Apostate Church, and those who tolerate such a man-centered view of Scripture.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 11:22amHYDRA…the historicity of New Testament is actually startlingly good. At times it’s been ahead of the knowledge of modern historians. Example: Luke mentions Lysanias the tetrarch of Abilene in the year AD 27. For a time critics scoffed at it saying that Lysanias was in fact ruler of Chalcis nearly half a century before hand. Until an inscription was found in Greece stating clearly that Lysanias was indeed Tetrarch of Abila (Latin for Abilene) in the time of Tiberius (emperor of Rome at the time of Jesus). Please…enough of your “work of fiction” garbage. The only contention about the New Testament is the supernatural aspects of Christ’s works and later the disciples. As for that..I really couldn‘t give a tinker’s cuss if you believe Christ healed the sick, raised the dead and himself was resurrected and ascended to heaven or not. Empty faith is a worthless thing…kind of like you.
Report Post »Agnostician
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 12:50pm@ AvengerX about history… history is usually written by the victors of any war…. it is not uncommon for what is accepted in modern history to proven wrong by new discoveries cause we only have the information that was passed on to us by the victors. All the history revisions that have came to realign with the bible just proves that the people who wrote the bible lived closer to the time when that history was written. it is plausible that in 1800 years from today people might not believe that catholic priests assaulted and burned hundreds of mayan and aztec shamans and burned all of their literature because they thought it was works of satan…. oh wait that is what happened and we just recently are realizing they burned all their history records too. in 1900 years its plausible that no one will know anything about the holocaust or how the germans tried to take over the world…. there is already people trying to eradicate this information as we speak. Historical proof of a record doesn‘t prove that the fictional part isn’t fiction. see all the cases of Historical Fiction that is out there right now… they are making one about Lincoln being a Vampire Slayer!?! in 2000 years there will probably be people who believe Lincoln is the savior of the human race from Vampires… all praise Lincoln the vampire slayer.
Report Post »JQCitizen
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 1:56pmSo, now I am VERY confused:
So I’m thinking that he wants to believe the Bible and in Jesus. Great!
So then I learn that he wants to make Christianity more “Gay”, and that sounds strange, but I’m thinking his choice of words, “Rectify” might be a good one.
Then I look up the meaning of the word. Rectify means “To make Straight”.
As I said, I’m VERY confused.
Report Post »binge_thinker
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 3:04pmThe premise of the fundie atheist remains false. Besides, we have good historical evidence that Jesus was a real man, that he really died, and that his immediate followers very soon after began proclaiming that they had seen him alive after his death and burial. In other words, the origin of the Jesus narrative is the eyewitness testimony of the Jewish men and women who knew and encountered Jesus, not pagan myths. The so-called savior-god stories of ancient myths do not have that kind of evidential credibility. For an introduction to the evidence for Jesus, I recommend:
Report Post »Will the real Jesus please stand up.
http://www.amazon.com/Will-Real-Jesus-Please-Stand/dp/0801021758/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1333652603&sr=1-1-catcorr
Agnostician
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 4:03pmwill the real binge sit down…. Really binge you missed the point.. Historical record being accurate just shows the people who wrote it lived in that day. I can write about the tornadoes that hit Dallas earlier this week, even tell you all about where they landed, when, etc. Give accurate landmarks etc. and set a fictional story in that event. It doesn’t mean its true. You wasn’t there and tall tales are just that tall tales, they inflate and inflate until hundreds of years later a binge thinker came around and believed them. One day people will believe the world was invaded by aliens probably because someone picked up War of the Worlds and believed it was non-fiction. Just cause a bunch of religious fanatics come to town and start preaching to you about a guy who rose from the dead and say they saw it doesn’t mean it was true. He rose from the dead? really? couldn’t he have said a lot better things to keep the whole religion from growing and destroying everything in its path like the plague? It grew so big it has little implosions, splinter groups that attack its own center, not just little cults, but whole religions that just spring up out of some disagreement. The Lutherans, Presbyterians, Mormons, Baptists, etc.
A truth for you: The first to be called atheists were the Christians, because they refused the beliefs of their ancestors, they were persecuted and ridiculed for not following the path of their ancestors. How are you different? Cause of your b
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 4:19pmAGNOSTICIAN…you offered a lot of banality and that’s about it. Tell me what “victors” wrote the gospels? Christ and his followers were marginalized and hunted. The infant church was marginalized, scapegoated and hunted. We have Roman records of Roman games lit at night by the burning bodies of Christians impaled on stakes in the arena. If this what you call “history written by the victors” you’re an idiot. And then you go on with poorly formualted conjecture about what history will record in the future. Clearly you have nothing credible to offer.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 4:35pmLet me educate you AGNOSTICIAN…I already addressed the fact that the only real point of contention with the new testament is the supernatural acts of Jesus and later the apostles. The historicity of the bible is quite excellent. To the point where it’s been ahead of the known history/archeological record in some instances. It’s only recently that any physical evidence of Pilate being governor of Judea was unearthed for example…until then we only had Roman historians to base it on…you know..those “victors” you bleated about? And I also stated that don’t care if you choose to believe the supernatural aspects of the new testament or not. Is this draining in at all champ?
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 4:51pmAGNOSTICIAN..a truth for you (to use your own pompous flourishes)…the first christians were not called atheists at all. They were called apostates because they abandoned canonical jewish belief and accepted Christ as the new convenant. Please…show me the atheists among them?
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 4:59pmummmm Agnostician….your history needs a lot of work. The infant Christian church was marginalized, scapegoated and hunted throughout the region and Rome. It’s only when Constantine converts to Christianity that the Church is no longer persecuted. Perhaps you’ve forgotten about the barbarian invasions sometime after that? Or the Islamic incursion into Europe that led to the first crusade? Or would you prefer to be speaking Arabic today?
Report Post »chameleonx
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 8:40amEveryone is different. But just because he chose to become a Christian doesn’t make Christianity real. The same can be said with any person who converts to any religion.
Report Post »Dde13
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 9:01amWe make judgements everyday, God will judge his heart. Just like the parable about the seed depending on the soil… will it be blown away, die quickly produce little or a lot of fruit is still to be determined. We need to ask ourselves, how much fruit of the spirit will produce on this day of our lord?
Report Post »chameleonx
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 9:06amWhat “God” are you talking about here? There are literally many Gods, Goddesses, demigods, etc that humankind has created throughout the years. What makes one unbelievable religion true while the rest or myths? Just saying.
Report Post »Dde13
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 9:28amThere is only one God! The father of our lord Jesus. Mythology is just that, a myth.
Report Post »chameleonx
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 9:35amI would have to respectfully disagree. There is no evidence for the existence of Jesus in any shape or form; There are also very similar legends and Gods to the Jesus story as described in the Abrahamnic religions. Jesus is however you mention him. There was no historic Jesus in ancient Palestine.
Report Post »http://www.christianitydisproved.com/jesus.html
http://www.christianitydisproved.com/jesus/was-jesus-a-myth.html
EqualJustice
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 9:44amWell, the SAME thing happen to Jane Row… shortly after Row V Wade, she (Norma McCorvey) became heavily involved with the PRO LIFE movement and still is today! She says she was USED by the women’s movement and REGRETS what she did. She turned her life around and she found God. She even has a Ministry called “ROE NO MORE.” From her biggest mistake, she found her calling.
Report Post »chameleonx
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 9:48amThe same can be said with millions and millions of people throughout history who have found happiness in religion. A testimony doesn’t make a religion true.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 10:30amYo Chameleonx:
I checked out you’re sites.( nothing new – same old stuff) There is so much FALSE information there it is amazing. He spends alot of time writing on the injustices of men against one another and blames that on God …. are you the reason for my mis-doings? Jesus came to end ALL that and at His return He will rule, so if injustice is you’re TRUE concern that should be a good thing.
As far as the existance of Jesus: it is a historical FACT that He did indeed live.(outside of the historical writings of the bible) You can question His divinity, but not His existance.
Concerning the “COPYCATS” … (the Greek gods are an certainly known myths.) Satan copycats God on many levels, it is even in the bible… it is meant to decieve those who CHOOSE not to believe … seems it is working on you.
Final: this story is about a group of people that helped their ENEMY, they showed LOVE towards him. How many, many, many, many, many, many, ( I could continue the rest of my alotted characters, but you get my point) instances could be told of the love of people that are believers and the good works that were/are done every day through out the world because of their faith in Christ. You people always seem to forget or ignor that !
The love of CHRIST in these peoples hearts is what changed this man … that is biblical TRUTH.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 11:00amCHAMELLONX…please..spare us your “Jesus didn’t exist” buffoonery. You’re offering the idiocies of militant atheists, not credible historians. You’re looking like an idiot. No credible historian will deny the existence of the historical figure of Jesus. There is enough secular historical evidence to convince most historians that Jesus did exist without even looking to the four gospels for evidence. Pliny the Younger, Tacitus and Josephus (yes even without the later Christian additions) all clearly refer to an individual either “Christus” or Jesus in context to the events described in the four gospels. I’ll remind you that Tacitus, Pliny the Younger and Josephus are not only secular witnesses but hostile witnesses also. They would have been better served by denying the existence of Jesus but they did not do that. The Roman historian Tacitus wrote: “Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of Pontius Pilatus”. Please CHAMELLONX tell me who else Tacitus may be referring to. This should be hysterical. Go peddle your silly websites at Huffpo where they buy the excrement you’re selling.
Report Post »AmazingGrace8
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 11:06am@dde13
Good posts! Praise the Lord.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 11:26amAnd CHAMELLONX…there was no Palestine at the time of Jesus. Samaria, Judea, Israel champ. Get your facts right. “Palestina” was the Roman renaming of the region to remove Jewish identity from it after the revolt in AD 70. Go peddle your inaccuracies and misleading atheist rote somewhere else please.
Report Post »USACommoner
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 12:25pmChameleonx: …and a few websites do not DISPROVE Christianity, either. This is a free country – you can believe whatever you want. Why does it BOTHER you so much that some of us choose to believe in God? Why do you feel that you must force us to believe as you do? Have you ever wondered why it makes you act in such a way? I don’t “believe” in Atheism either, but I recognize your right to hold that belief. Just FYI, you can’t turn a Christian with your hatefulness. In fact, you only strengthen our faith. Essentially, you are also doing God’s work, albeit in a completely different way. So, good job, Brother (or Sister).
Report Post »PeachyinGA
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 12:36pm@Chameleonx: “Everyone is different. But just because he chose to become a Christian doesn’t make Christianity real. The same can be said with any person who converts to any religion.”
Report Post »By “any religion” would you also include Islam? What do you believe in, if you don’t mind sharing? Just curious so I can better understand your comments. Thanks.
Agnostician
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 1:23pmlol i would never deny that someone walked this earth and was killed for his beliefs… it happens every day… I can even see that people would say that some of the mythology of other systems (the holy word of other religions/gods) were copycat work or deceit… But not respecting the truth is to put blinders on the horse so he can’t see the grass on either side of the road. Many of the stories found in the bible, old testament and new testament are found in other religious systems that predate them. The story of the birth of Jesus would of been a copyright infringement of those who wrote the story of the birth of Ra in Egyptian mythology some 6000 years before Christ. Resurrection stories can be found in Egyptian texts and Hindu texts that predate Christianity. If you rewrote Romeo and Juliet and gave it your own twist would you not give credit to Shakespeare? The bible states a time line of roughly 6000 years but we have written histories of several cultures that predate this time frame. Many of these other histories depict the stories of genesis with their own heroes.
Why do Christians (along with Muslims and several other “Modern” religions) claim singularity in their system alone? Where do the “Ancient” religions get to worship without persecution on all sides by these groups that claim they are wrong, evil,or the work of the devil (many of the ancient religion’s symbols were deemed evil by Roman Catholics 1500 years ago)?
Report Post »binge_thinker
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 2:58pmI am open to being convinced that I am wrong. Go ahead; convince me! But If atheist blogtrash like what you posted are your best shot, though, I am fairly confident that you are not going to persuade me or anyone else in the of the “error of our ways.”
Report Post »As for your asinine claim regarding other gods, well, If I lived in a society in which I encountered a significant number of people who believed in Zeus, I would take the time to examine their belief and determine if there was any evidence for it. Since I live in twenty-first century America, not first-century Greece, I don’t have any pressing need to make a case against Zeus. (That case was made then quite well and does not need to be rehashed, does it?) Certainly, if I went around proclaiming that Zeus didn’t exist, I would be prepared to give reasons for that claim unlike what many militant atheists do today in railing against God.
I should add that it isn‘t quite right to say that Christians demand that atheists disprove God’s existence. Rather, we ask atheists to examine the evidence honestly and see where it leads.
AvengerK
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 5:05pmPlease AGNOSTICIAN..spare us the idiocies of the “Ra” assertions. There is no credible resemblance between the events described in the new testament and any Egyptian sun god. I‘m surprised you didn’t reach for the “Mithra” stupidity you atheists like to throw around- perhaps you haven’t reached that level of desperation yet?
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 5:19pmAGNOSTICIAN…“would of been”? Try “would HAVE been” sport. You just used phonetics instead of actual English. I dare say, you’ve spoken the contraction “would’ve” many times but don’t read or write enough to know that even though the contraction “would’ve“ sounds like ”would of” when spoken, it’s not written that way- it’s a contraction of “would and ”have”. I always find it hysterical when a so called “enlightened” atheist attempts to paint christians as lacking in intellect when the atheist can barely communicate at an acceptable level. Then you expect us to accept your atheist rote when clearly you’re not well read on the subject to offer anything credible. In fact..it appears you don‘t read or write much at all or you’d know how stupid it is to write “would of” instead of “would’ve”. Would you accept the word of someone like you at this point? LOL..“would of”.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 8:39amNothing is greater than when an athiest gets saved. “The angels is heaven rejoice over one sinner that comes to repentance”. It demonstrates the great love and mercy of Jesus Christ. Just like 2,000 years ago, He is compassionate to those who persecuted Him. God is so good!
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 8:38amThe Post reports that he may become a part of a liberal congregation and that he may even start his own chapter of the Rainbow Baptists, a ministry to the LGBTQ community. Greene says that he believes the Bible’s original approach to homosexuality has been altered and that he feels strongly about rectifying it.
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My question is this…Is he going to teach that homosexuality is not a sin? Because it most surely is.
Report Post »There are ministries that do outreach to homosexuals to get them out of the lifestyle and there are ones that teach it is not a sin…So which one? It says LIBERAL, so I suppose they will teach that openly gay couples in the Church are OK…Sick.
Biddle
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 11:53amWell, the Corinthians started a church and it was lets say, “a lil off.” Paul wrote them a letter and basically said, “STOP!” Stop doing a, b, and c. Mr. Greene has a copy now of the letter….just pray for em.
Report Post »janedough1
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 8:32amPraise God! If his life is bearing fruit, his conversion is real, and I’ll embrace him as a brother.
Report Post »Biddle
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 11:19amBless you JaneDough1, this line in the article made me think of the Apostle Paul, “Perhaps more surprising than Greene’s conversion — which was unexpected considering his past activism — is his plan to consider entering ministry.”
Report Post »Think of Paul, his past, his conversion, his ministry. Amazing isnt it? Such is the grace required to save the wretches we are without the Lord. Stories like this help me not to judge others, and work out MY OWN salvation with fear and trembling, as we are taught by scripture. Bless everyone you come across my friend. Have a good weekend.