Atheist Files Discrimination Complaint Over PA Restaurant’s 10% Sunday Discount for People With Church Bulletins
- Posted on July 4, 2012 at 7:54am by
Billy Hallowell
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An atheist has filed a discrimination complaint against a Columbia, Pennsylvania-based restaurant. The offense? The establishment has been offering a 10 percent discount for individuals who bring in a church bulletin on Sundays. John Wolff, who has officially issued his grievance with the Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission, is hoping that Prudhomme’s Lost Cajun Kitchen is held accountable for its diner discount.
The special as shown on the Lost Cajun Kitchen web site
“I did this not out of spite, but out of a feeling against the prevailing self-righteousness that stems from religion, particularly in Lancaster County,” Wolff, a retired electrical engineer, said of his decision to go toe-to-toe with the restaurant. “I don’t consider it an earthshaking affair, but in this area in particular, we seem to have so many self-righteous religious people, so it just annoys me.”
But one of the co-owners of the restaurant, Sharon Prudhomme, isn‘t backing down to Wolff’s challenge. She claims that Lost Cajun Kitchen technically doesn’t discriminate, because people don’t actually have to be believers — or even attend church for that matter — to get the discount. Anyone, she claims, can walk into a church and take a bulletin.
Prudhomme is also doubling-down in saying that the restaurant has no intention of halting the discount program, Lancaster Online reports. Since Sundays are slow, the discount is intended to boost customer flow — something that is important during tough economic times.
Wolff‘s main issue is that he’s allegedly been offered different services because of his religious preferences or lack thereof. Prudhomme, though, calls the entire complaint “a waste.” Despite her opposition, the restaurant’s owners will need to respond to it within 30 days in writing.
Then, the commission will decide if the complaint is a viable one. If, indeed, the restaurant is found to be discriminating, a public hearing will result. In the end, it is possible that the restaurant, pending they lose, would be required to stop the promotion.
(H/T: Lancaster Online)
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Comments (246)
Meyvn
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 8:33amSo what’s the problem you Godless moron… Go get yourself a church bulletin!
Report Post »justangry
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:06amFunny, that‘s what I was going to say and I’m agnostic. Please don’t let GB and crew divide the country further. I mean didn’t Jesus say to love us anyway?
Report Post »dj109
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:27amPrecisely Meyvn. I guess I should file a complaint against my local grocery store fore accepting coupons from the lady in front of me at the register last night. She must have saved $25 off her purchase, and there I stood with no coupons at all. They made me pay full price. Surely I was discriminated against using the logic of this mistreated, ignorant fool, John Wolfe.
Report Post »WaterTheTree
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:42amAgnostics should present a blank sheet of paper.
Athiests should arrive empty handed.
Applies to both this restaurant and when arriving at the Pearly Gates, though the restaurant might be a bit more likely to accept the alternative “church bulletins”
Report Post »Tractorboy
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:44amI would charge the Atheists a 30% surcharge, this would then show that Atheists only have morals of the kind and flavor that suit them.( I’m sure none of them would then proclaim their belief if they had to pay for it) Note if this was reversed I’d pay extra, the thou shall not lie and bring glory to to God comes to play here.
Report Post »Rayblue
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:24amIt was the “eggs benedictine” on the menu that got this all started.
Report Post »That’s eggs served in the shape of a cross for all the non-chefs out there.
rickc34
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:34amLooks like we all had the same idea, get a bulletin. Or eat some place else. You know you will never be welcome at this place again..Just another atheist showing hate for Christians.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 11:17am@Rick, Yeah I‘m reading all the love the so called Christians have towards their brothers that haven’t seen the light. Might want to check yourselves.
Report Post »kapnkd
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 11:24amReply to “justangry” (below):
Actually, it is NOT GB causing the divide. GB and others are merely the messenger reporting the TRUTH that other more liberal networks refuse to print/broadcast.
The REAL fault and blame lies with the atheist who actually filed this frivolous and ridiculous law suit. My brother-in-law is also agnostic/atheist but could care less about what others do or think as long as he is left alone. THIS is how it should be, not one taking away the rights of others.
Report Post »Gold Coin & Economic News
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 11:32amWould someone beat this guy over the head with a stupid stick, please! See what liberalism has gotten us. This friggin moron thinks he can go into a PRIVATELY owned restaurant and demand some kid of right. Dude, shut the hell up!!!!! It ain’t your frikin restaurant and the owner can do whatever they damn well please!!!!
Get a life and stop forcing your godless morality on the rest of us. Stop being so discriminatory with your beliefs. If you want to believe what you want to believe in the privacy of your home and end up burning in a fiery hell for the rest of eternity, that’s your business, but stop trying to FORCE IT, force it, force it on the rest of us!
Report Post »Mizurax
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 11:34amThis will continue to happen over and over, more and more. Why? Because the media (that include you, TheBlaze) keeps giving it attention. People are just doing it now because they’ve seen it so much and figure they can at least bring attention to themselves by doing it. STOP GIVING THIS NONSENSE ATTENTION.
Shouldn’t we classify discrimination as a bias against something innate? Like skin color or gender… How can you discriminate against an atheist? They choose to be an atheist. If some people want to give discounts to people that go to a certain church or organization, and not to others, that is their choice. These atheists are so stupid. They want to rid the world of choice.
Ever heard of “In the Biz” night? Should I file a lawsuit against every nightclub and bar out there with an In the Biz night because I’m not a bartender? According to these atheists, I should. And according to them, I have a good reason to. Absolute stupidity.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 11:52am@Kap, Everytime an extreme athiest files a frivilous lawsuit it shows up on the Blaze, with little regard to how many athiests actually want the same thing. Religious freedom and tollerance. It’s like the propaganda you get with guns. Everytime some whack-o does something stupid with one it’s all over the news. They never include statistics like crime rates are actually going down. It‘s sensationalism and propaganda and it’s not intended to unite us. That’s just the way I see it.
Report Post »dmerwin
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 12:47pmWe really need to pass laws that would cause someone filing a frivolous lawsuit to pay ALL court costs if they lose. Including the salaries of the Judge, clerk, bailiff, scheduler etc. I agree with the others about the church bulletin. Go to the ads in the back of Rolling Stone magazine pay someone to make you the “minister of a godless sect reformation assembly” and print your own frickin’ bulletin.
Report Post »Rayblue
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 1:15pmMaybe it was the peppermint divinity.
Report Post »BeeDee
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 1:36pmDoes he think he has the right to be free from religion? The constitution says freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. Just continue the attack on Christianity. Atheists know that there is a god, but fear being judged. So they try to reject god, and believe they will not be judged.
Report Post »yougottabekidding
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 1:45pmI get a discount for my AAA membership in some places and I have to pay for that. You don’t have to pay for a church bulletin
Report Post »Get real idiot
Too bad so sad
Don‘t like it don’t eat there that will show them!
garylee123
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 1:46pmOr just don’t go to that cafe. You know the “freedom of choice” thing? Unless you take that freedom by forcing them to your ideology. Just think, this 4th, the gov’t has the power to tax you if you DON”T got to that restaurant.
Report Post »stage9
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 1:52pmI think they should file a countersuit claiming that the atheist is infringing upon their first amendment rights as free citizens of the United States to conduct their businesses as they choose unfettered by the prejudices of atheism. He is imposing his religion on others and is using it as a way to silence their first amendment rights.
I would expect something like that in the former Soviet Union, not America. Cuz wasn’t the former Soviet Union atheist as well? This is what you get with atheism.
Report Post »Drives Like Jehu
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 1:52pmActually, it is the atheists that are being SELF-righteous.
Report Post »Rayblue
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:11pmThe Jordan almonds ?
Report Post »taniademko
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:55pmWhat does Glenn Beck and his crew have to do with this article. They have nothing to do with this article. However I am catholic and I would have a bulliten even though I do not go to church every week. Since Aetheisism is not a group you do not represent anyone else but yourself. This diner is a private establishment and if you red the constitution you would understand that. Privately owned business do not have to change because they are protected by the 1st ammendment you know Religion.
Report Post »Taquoshi
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 3:07pmOdd. There have been specials for children under 12, people who can prove it’s their birthday, graduates, and all kinds of other things. Some restaurants offered a free soda with a meal if you brought in some canned food for the Food Pantry. Why not have a promotional for those who can bring in a church bulletin?
The big tip off here is the plantiff’s own statement. “I did this not out of spite, but out of a feeling against the prevailing self-righteousness that stems from religion, particularly in Lancaster County”
He’s objecting to the attitudes of the residents, not the actual 10%. No one is stopping him from moving out of Lancaster County. He might enjoy it more in California, and San Francisco would probably work out fine.
This is a great case of one person trying to control the entire population of a County.
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 3:55pmJust Angry the person dividing this office is not GB, it is Barack Obama. Get a clue.
Report Post »Rayblue
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 3:57pmAngelfood ?
Report Post »TeresaJ
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 4:27pmEveryone, from one fellow Christian to another, some of the comments on this site are embarrassing. If you wouldn’t say it standing next to the Almighty, you probably shouldn’t say it here.
In regards to the article, We can give a discount for good grades, for being members of certain organizations, for being seniors, etc, etc. I see no reason that a private establishment can’t give a discount for whatever reasons they wish. rarely would it likely have to do with any kind of discrimination, but rather to draw in a demographic.
When I see something like this, I just think America has gotten so childish. “No fair! Mom!”
Report Post »justangry
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 4:39pm@Cofe, If GB put things in perspective then I’d agree. Let’s try doing that. Let’s say Blaze ran an athiest attack on Christianity piece a day this past year. (it’s not quite that bad, and many are of the same athiest) Now let’s say there are 1 million athiests in the country. (Again, I’m giving you the benefit here, considering there are many more) What percent of athiests are attacking Christianity? You all make it sound like every athiest is out to get you, and I‘m telling you that’s just not the case. The courts and lawyers may be, and I’ll stand with you all against it, as I believe many non believers would. Now after every piece the comments come in demonstrating Beck got his desired effect, and honestly they’re insulting (from both sides) and only entrench each side. Just think about it. I assure you, even as a hopeful agnostic, I’m on your side when it comes to religious freedom, but the respect must be mutual, because after reading some things posted about me, it’s easy to see how some on here are pushing people away.
Report Post »Rayblue
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 4:53pmHeavenly hash…
Report Post »Tawny
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 5:40pmOf course it’s a private establishment and this is a frivolous suit, let’s pray it is defeated. There of course needs to be law reform, but shouting at our screens does little good.
I’m going to make an apology to JustAngry for those who claim to be my brothers & sisters in Christ; I apologize that they speak with malice and anger, they have no right to do so. Please understand that tempers flare and people do not always maintain control of themselves, despite knowing better.
And to those who would claim to be my brothers & sister in Christ: Where is the Love of the LORD in you? Why do you insult and speak with anger and hatred? Are we not suppose to pray for our enemies that they too may come to the Father? Reign your tempers before they reign over you.
Report Post »trinklefinder
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 5:40pm@ justangry, how is gb dividing us? hes created a series called “ask an atheist” that now has about 4 or 5 parts to it. i dont see any comparable “ask a christian”. why are atheists so angry and bitter all the time about freakin everything! they can’t stand to hear the name God or Jesus, it makes them so angry. if you are truly at piece with your atheism then why so upset over stuff like this just roll your eyes at us christians and move on to the next blaze article.
Report Post »rickc34
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 11:21pmjust angry- who is suing who here and for what reason? I would not sue an atheist or agnostic for such a trivial reason. So you need to show a little love.
Report Post »Rayblue
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 11:38pmUnleavened breadsticks ?
Report Post »Deborah
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:38amThis is so easily settled. The atheists should organize, meet on Sundays, create their own bulletin, and bring it to the restaurant. They need not call themselves “church.” After all, local Jewish congregations also have bulletins. I’m sure they bring theirs as well. However, it sounds like the atheists simply want something of which to complain, as they are so often bitter and angry.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:01pm@Rick, …and I AGREED that it was wrong for the athiest to file suit.
@Trinkle, You’re hearing what you want to hear. (well see). I am not an athiest. I am a hopeful agnostic still searching for answers. And again, I responded by saying I agreed with the original poster to a degree. The “godless moron” was uncalled for.
“why are atheists so angry and bitter all the time about freakin everything! they can’t stand to hear the name God or Jesus, it makes them so angry.”
My point is we’re not all angry and upset that people have god in their lives. If you take my very crude estimate, .04% of athiests attacked your religous freedom this year in court. (I actually believe an accurate study would find that percentage to be much lower) You‘re lumping all non believers into a group of evil people hell bent and determined to deprive you of your 1st ammendment rights and it’s simply not true. And if you‘re telling me this isn’t the narrative of the Blaze, then you’re not being honest with yourself.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 4:55pmI wonder if they’d accept a Church of Satan bulletin.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 4:58pmKapn, or in other words, as long as your brother just shuts up while you go about your hateful business, all is well.
Report Post »TONYTHESARGE
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 8:34pmHere’s the bottom line, it is a private business. They have the right to offer discounts to whomever they wish and if they don’t want to then they have that right as well. Even though this country was founded on christian principles and the bible, church and state have been seperated. This is not a govt establishment. If you don‘t like it find a place that offers an athiest discount and if there aren’t any, start one yourself. God bless!
Report Post »SamIamTwo
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 8:33amAtheists have killed more people than all religions combined…they are messed up people…hateful. Here they come again….face eating zombies.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 1:13pmNot a single person has been killed in the name of atheism. Those people supposedly killed by atheists were killed in the name of Communism, not atheism. Atheism is but a tool for them, not the end goal. Christianity still holds the two-thousand year record. They ethnically-cleansed two continents.
Report Post »The_Bell
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:09pm@BruceP:
I suggest you actually start doing some research rather than spouting off the tired old “Christianity” killed or ethnically cleansed nonsense.
Funny, you wish to say it was the communists and *not* the atheists that killed millions upon millions within their very own borders and then hold Christianity responsible for some leaders (who may have used or invoked Christianity in some cause)?… the irony.
Atheism was the driving force in communism and for Germany’s leaders in WWII. Both were the culmination and promotion as man as the captain of their destiny and “god.“ Communism mentions that religion is the ”opiate” of the masses and relies on man to forge on without a God.
One can intelligently and say with certainty that Stalin & Hitler were the pinnacle of what atheism can ultimately look like.
Report Post »momrules
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 8:27amAn atheist got annoyed and filed a lawsuit. This isn’t even news anymore. I hope the owners stand their ground and fight this all the way.
HAPPY 4th of JULY to all American Patriots.
Report Post »starman70
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 8:37amHEY IDIOT, DON’T EAT THERE!!!!!
rqd lc
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:06am@Mom: Its an established way in America, you disagree with something, no matter what, and then you file a lawsuit over it. There are so many groups now in the country who file lawsuits just to achieve their ends and agendas plus obtaining a massive payout once called ‘bribery’ so they will leave their targets alone.
Report Post »Cavallo
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:28amAtheists have their own churches now, and getting their own chaplins. The suit will likely fail because of that.
Report Post »drbage
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:52amIf it is so bothersome to the man why does he patronize the establishment? What next, will he get involved with the ACLU and bring lawsuits against any business that offers a discount for veterans and/or active military? This is still America (hanging by a thread) and we still have free choice. If you don’t like the policies, the food, the decor, the service, or whatever from a particular establishment then don’t spend your money there–go elsewhere. I am tired of the whole country having to change just because one person doesn’t like something. Stand up for liberty and freedom!
Report Post »booger71
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:27amMaybe non LEO’s should file suit because cops get a discount at most establishments or even eat free
Report Post »DontCompromiseMorals
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 8:27amReally?!?!!!!!!
Report Post »Foolish Mr. Wolff.
randy
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 8:26amI refuse to go to any gas station that gives a discount if you use their credit card to purchase gas.
Report Post »So Johnny Wolf, you don’t like the restaurants promotion? GO SOMEWHERE ELSE cry baby!
holy ghostbuster
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:00amHow is a credit card promotion discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, or national origin? Why don’t you read the law before making an ignorant comment. Title 42 U.S.C. §2000a(a)
Report Post »aggiejosh1
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 12:33pmHG – and you should understand the law before throwing it around like you have all over this thread. Feel free to read my responses to your legal misrepresentation on other posts.
Report Post »Bean
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 8:25amIf he means this, then he has to include children and senior discounts…because that qualifies as age discrimination, right? What about student discounts?
Report Post »Jeff in NW Houston
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:07amLove your reasoning. This is just another moron that feels he is due everything. That is a private business you went into buddy. They can serve, not serve, discount, not discount, or even give away or not give away food to whoever they damn well please!!! You have a problem with that? Start your own business so your fellow athiests can bring in their…uh…hmmmmm… yeah anyway.
Report Post »Inlightofthings
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:28amPrecisely why I believe these attacks should be classified as a hate crime / hate speech. I don‘t care for the law per se’, but the atheist clown is the type that created it…so live by it.
Report Post »Duey2000
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:58amI was going to say that this would mean that restaurants would not be able to use coupons on the backs of ticket stubs any more either because that would discriminate against people who did not go to those games. Ridiculous.
Report Post »holy ghostbuster
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:06amTitle 42USC Section 2000(a) does not specify discrimination on the basis of age: “(a) Equal access
Report Post »All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, as defined in this section, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of RACE, COLOR, RELIGION, or NATIONAL ORIGIN.” I don’t see age listed in the law.
We allow age discrimination in many instances. Pilot’s are not allowed to fly air carriers past age 65. The military and law enforcement professions have age restrictions. We also have age restrictions with respect to children voting, joining the military, gambling and purchasing alcohol and tobacco. The list goes on with respect to age.
kickagrandma
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 8:23amYou damn right, you jack wagon!!!
Report Post »This is AMERICA, ONE NATION UNDER GOD.
You don’t like it?
Leave.
holy ghostbuster
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:07amOne nation under Canada would be more accurate. BTW, what’s a “jack wagon?”
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 1:13pmHOLY GHOSTBUSTER, Hmmm, ask Gunny R. Lee Ermey.
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtSYZi7zd7A
Bruce P.
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 1:14pmKICKAGRANDMA hates the Constitution.
Report Post »toiletclogga
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 8:23amJesus is alive and well in Lancaster County PA! His name is poison in the ears of the atheist.
Report Post »holy ghostbuster
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:09amI though he lived in Missouri?
Report Post »toiletclogga
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:58amNope, Columbia PA, right along the Susquehanna River. Good restaurant from what I’ve heard.
Report Post »john vincent
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 8:18amThe true atheist must be laughing at this nonsense, where in the article does it stipulate ‘the patron must believe in GOd??’ It is a piece of paper; the restaurant is looking to drum up more business. So what.
Report Post »Find an article that says ‘atheist restaurant owner gives 10 percent discount to any patron that says ’I dont believe in GOd.’ Who cares, and it would be a non story, and nobody would go.
Why the daily attack on decent people who happen to be God fearing and who do not worship themselves??
This is the difference between the atheist and the believer: the atheist worships himself. Leave the restaurant owner alone.
nzkiwi
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 8:24amI am an atheist, John, and I’m quietly smiling at the elegance of this promotion.
See my post below for the reason.
Report Post »john vincent
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 8:39amnzk:
Report Post »You may be correct when you say the ‘owners are obviously christian…‘ but I’d like to make an observation. From reading the article from Lancaster Cty, Pa, it is not obvious to me that she is a christian. She MAY be, but there is no evidence in the article. Any careful reader who has an ounce of spirituality will (should I say MUST) agree with me. Call her and ask for yourself, then you will know. The church bulletin thing is clever as you say, but promoting ‘church’ life, is no proof of the redeemed. I suppose if this story has teeth, somebody will interview her, and I am certain she would agree with me as well.
HumbleMan
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:34amHa! Just wait til you get taxed for not going to church. Or how about a tax for not reading the constitution?
Report Post »nzkiwi
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 8:17amDon’t be outraged, people; this is quite a clever move.
The restaurant owners are obviously Chistian, so in one move they have promoted Christianity, improved their business, and the idiot atheist is going to handle the promotion for them – free of charge.
And as a bonus, they get to poke this silly atheist in the proverbial eye, because there is no way that his legal attack will suceed.
That’s quite a smart strategy. Well done. A round of applause is due.
Report Post »Steelheadisadouche
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:11amWell said-
Report Post »Cavallo
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:26amNot only that atheists have started their own churches now, their own military chaplins. Go get an atheist church bulletin. The owner should counter sue for defamation and court costs.
Report Post »grannyjojo
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:47amNaw, you have it all wrong. My daughter has worked in the food industry (wait person) for over 10 years. Sunday afternoons are NOTORIOUSLY slow. In order to bring in BUSINESS alot of these places offers promotions such as these, to bring in a crowd thats already up and out of the house. She hates working Sunday afternoons (she is a Christian) because most of the time the after church crowd doesn’t tip well. She’s worked at 3 different restaurants and its always the same. And before you bash me (I’m a Christian also) I have NO IDEA why this is but it is. The company she works for now (its a chain) promotes the same thing, bring in a church bulletin and get 10% off. It has NOTHING to do with promoting Christianity, they just want more business and this is an easy way to garner it. The athiest is making a much ado abount nothing and if it weren’t for the fact that people are so “sue” happy it would be comical about his alledged “hurt” and “discrimination” “Every knee will bow and every tongue confess”
Report Post »BelindaB
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 8:17amThis is NOT discrimination…It is Practicing your RIGHT OF RELIGION!!! Screw you damn athiests!!!!
Report Post »Taquoshi
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 3:21pmActually, it’s not. After I left the Roman Catholic Faith and started to go to another denomination while still living at home during college breaks, my mother used to practically rip the church bulletin out of my hands when I arrived home after a Sunday service. She’d read the thing from the very first word to the very last. Often she would know more about what was going on in “my” church than I did. I quickly learned to get two bulletins and leave my copy in the car. So, it’s no great feat to get a copy of a church bulletin even if you have never set foot in the place.
Mr. Wolff is out for vengeance against a perceived attitude of self righteousness. Ironically, he doesn‘t seem to realize he’s the one displaying an attitude of self righteousness more than anyone else.
Report Post »scrapadapolis
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 8:16amHow come there are so many athiest?Where do they gather for nonfellowship?How do they increase their ranks?Do they have a gathering place free from anything GOD has created?Are they kidnapped off the streets and brainwashed into not believing?Do they go door to door and hand out pamphlets(Why you should’nt believe in god).Will an athiest respond to my questions?
Report Post »RedMage
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 8:15amWhy are we allowing these people to stomp us into oblivion? She should file a counter discrimination suit. He’s the one actually discriminating against Christians, if you turn it around. What does freedom of religion mean anymore anyway?
Report Post »Duchylivin
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 8:14amIs there no legal recourse to the incessent harrassment of religion and religious people in our society?
I am grateful that the restaurant is not backing down. Church-goers should do all their dining out there until this harrassment stops.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 8:14amWait till he stands before “the judge”. when just those “self-righteous” people get the discount and are allow into the wedding feast. NO COMPLANT LINE BUDDY …
Report Post »ADNIL
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 8:51amI would imagine a lot of them convert on thier death beds. As they once said, “there are no athiests in fox-holes”.
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 8:13amClassic atheism: other people are publicly enjoying the benefits of believing other things than me, so I‘m going to harass them until they can’t enjoy it in public anymore…
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 8:12amMake all the patrons quote the “Lords Prayer” or let them sit outside with the smokers..!
Report Post »DWilliams08
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 8:12amThe government doesn’t run restaurants…………yet.
Report Post »Mapache
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 1:41pmask any restauranteur and they’ll tell you how much the government is in their knickers!
Report Post »IslandAtheist
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 8:10amChurch, LOL
Report Post »hatchetjob
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 1:14pmMoron, Lol!
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 8:09amSo is he filing a discrimination suit against Kroger’s for giving a 10% discount to Senior Citizens on the first Wed of each month?
How about other stores that give discounts to holders of VIP or other “preferred” shopper cards?
What about giving government hand outs to those under a certain income level? That discriminates against higher wage earners?
What about affirmative action? That discriminates against majorities.
Let’s call it what it is another anti-theist with a spiteful intention
Report Post »holy ghostbuster
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:10amWhy don’t you read the civil rights law so you understand it. Title 42 Section 2000(a). I would summarize for you but then you wouldn’t learn anything. Go look it up.
Report Post »aggiejosh1
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 12:38pmHG – Perhaps you should read it a bit more so you can learn as well. Your interpretation is way off base. Feel free to read my responses to your legal misrepresentation on other posts.
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 4:16pmHoly will you shut up about the Title 42 crap. It does not apply here. You are like a little annoying child who needs a spanking, yes I said spanking. We know timeouts do not work. They just create annoying children just like you. Grow up.
Report Post »holy ghostbuster
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 4:40pm@ COFEMALE – why would the law not apply here? Title 42 Section 2000(a) will the the basis for his discrimination lawsuit.
Report Post »holy ghostbuster
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 5:03pm@ COFEMALE – I don’t know who would enjoy that spanking more you or I? Probably you.
Report Post »blanco5
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 8:05amThat’s what I love about the free market……you can run your business how you want to and customers can choose to or not to eat there. Oooops, we don’t have a free market anymore. Only those who agitate are rewarded. My bad!
Report Post »holy ghostbuster
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:15amHow would you feel if they offered a discount to blacks on Martin Luther King Day but not to any other races? What about 50% off on St. Patrick’s Day to those with Irish sounding last names?
Report Post »blanco5
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 12:30pmDidn’t you read what I put? People can CHOOSE to eat there or NOT to eat there. Do you need someone to read it to you? The free market always works in the end—–even if it pi$$es off leftys!
Report Post »aggiejosh1
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 12:42pmHG – You continue to prove your lack of logical connection. The instances you site are not the same at all. If they offered a discount to anyone with a bulletin from a civil rights speech on MLK Day, it would be totally legal. Only if someone could show that only blacks were allowed into the speech (and thus unequal access to the bulletin) could they begin to make a discrimination case.
Report Post »holy ghostbuster
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:02pm@ AGGIEJOSH1- My example was not that of offering discounts to those who attended an MLK Day speech as you cited. You did not read my hypothetical example correctly. Your example would be legal, but was not the example I gave. I specifically used MLK Day as an reason to give ONLY BLACKS a discount because of their RACE, or for example on St. Patrick’s Day, to give a discount to anyone with a name such as Murphy, indicating a specific NATIONAL ORIGIN. Of course, this would probably never happen, but my point was that singling out a specific group, AS SPECIFIED in Title 42 Sect. 2000(a), appears to be illegal according to the law. The law clearly states, “All persons shall be entitled to the FULL and EQUAL enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION, as defined in this section, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of RACE, color, RELIGION, or NATIONAL ORIGIN.” The promotion in question clearly discriminates on the basis of religion, because a religious activity, that of requiring one to possess something from a religious service, discriminates against non-religious persons, who would not have any reason to attend a religious service and obtain a church bulletin. If they offered the Sunday discount to everyone, without the condition of a church bulletin, it would be legal. The restaurant is going to loose this one.
Report Post »holy ghostbuster
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:30pmAn argument could also me made that there is unequal access to church bulletins by non-believers and others, because it is unreasonable to require them to attend a religious service not consistent with their own beliefs. Although there might be physical equal access to the bulletins, the key is reasonableness. Is it reasonable to expect a Atheist/non-believer to attend any religious service? Of course not. Therefore, there is not reasonable equal access to the church bulletins by those who do not attend church, whatever their reason for not attending.
Report Post »dblaess
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 8:10am@holy ghostbuster
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How would you feel if they offered a discount to blacks on Martin Luther King Day but not to any other races? What about 50% off on St. Patrick’s Day to those with Irish sounding last names?
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I think this would be great as a promo to get more business for the resturant cited. I do not need to eat there that day or any other day. The resturant cited most likely would either go out of business because they pissed off the potential customer base, or if in an area that was of the race, nationallity you cited as example for one day discount be very sucessful the rest of the year. This is freedom of association and you only have to look at sections of big cities or areas like the Hamptons to see how people do associate with like people. This happens and continues to happen. The area of PA in question must have alot of Christians and they are allowed to associate with like people and therefore follow your example of discount.
aggiejosh1
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 11:37amHG – You are wrong. Period. You can try to spin things all you want to make it sound like the law you continue to cite applies, but it doesn’t. You provided an example (blacks getting a discount on MLK day) that is not even remotely synonymous with the issue at hand. I pointed that out and gave a more relevant analogy that you admitted would be legal!!!! Your lack of logic and inability to understand basic concepts of the law (equal access for example) is detrimental to any productive conversation.
Report Post »beverlee
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 8:05amJust one more reason I hate people. Forgive me God.
Perhaps they could just add a line that states stupid athiests automatically receive a 10% discount if they stand and say, “Hi. My name is ____________, and I am a stupid atheist.”
Report Post »bdandsl
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 8:04amPeople like John Wolff annoy me! Businesses can have specials for ‘certian’ people, if they want. A store may offer a 10% discount if you use their store credit card. I don’t have a store credit card – am I being discriminated against? NO! John Wolff needs to go back under that rock where he came from!
Report Post »kentuckypatriot
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 8:01amHere we go again! Boo hoo to the guy that filed a complaint. If you don’t like it, don’t eat there idiot!
Happy Birthday America!!
Report Post »Mapache
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 7:58amAll the restaurant has to do is put it in a box and call it a coupon. Case closed.
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