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Atheist Leader Calls Contraception a ‘Constitutional Right’ & Dubs the Bible a ‘Grim Fairy Tale’

FFRF Annie Laurie Gaylor Trashes the Bible & Calls Contraception Constitutional Right

Freedom From Religion Foundation's Annie Laurie Gaylor

One of the main forces behind last weekend’s atheist gathering, the Reason Rally, was the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF), an atheist group headed by husband and wife duo Annie Laurie Gaylor and Dan Barker.

This organization, which describes itself as “an umbrella for those who are free from religion and are committed to the cherished principle of separation of state and church,” is familiar to Blaze readers, as we’ve regularly highlighted its legal battles and harsh rhetoric against religious symbols on public property.

(Related: ‘Clusterf**k’ & ‘Mass Cult’: See the Epic Compilation of Atheist Interviews from the Reason Rally)

During the massive secularist rally on the National Mall in Washington, D.C., Gaylor and Barker addressed the crowd, using language that both invigorated their non-believing audience and poked fun at people of faith.

During Barker’s speech, the FFRF leader engaged in a bizarre performance of atheism-fueled songs he‘d like to see performed on children’s television shows. Gaylor, though, delved into some starker, more controversial commentary.

FFRF Annie Laurie Gaylor Trashes the Bible & Calls Contraception Constitutional Right

Annie Laurie Gaylor and Dan Barker

“God fixation won’t fix our nation, because nothing fails like prayer,” Gaylor proclaimed during her address. “And we like to tell pious politicians that it’s time to get off your knees.”

Gaylor took particular aim at the Catholic Church in both her speech and during an exclusive interview with The Blaze.

“It is disgraceful that our health care reform is being held hostage by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops and our message to liberal and nominal Catholics is that it’s time to quit the Catholic Church,” she said.

Among her organization’s accomplishments, she highlighted a full-page ad in The New York Times that, much like her rhetoric, encourages Catholics to abandon their faith. She called it a “speak truth to power” moment and claims that it wasn’t meant to be offensive.

“Are we going to choose women and their rights or Bishops and their wrongs?,” Gaylor asked. “And we are choosing women and we are choosing secular government. We choose the doctrine of immaculate contraception.”

She also called contraception a “Constitutional right” and took aim at Christianity’s holiest book — the Bible.

“We work diligently to ensure religion and the Bible — that grim fairy tale — are not invoked in our secular lives,” Gaylor continued.

Watch our exclusive video, below:

As we’ve already highlighted, a FAQ section on the Reason Rally web site reads, “Are we just going to use this opportunity to trash religion?”

“No,” the web site promised. “This will be a positive experience, focusing on all non-theists have achieved in the past several years (and beyond) and motivating those in attendance to become more active.”

However, both Gaylor and Barker had plenty to say that most certainly fell under the umbrella of “trashing religion.”

The Blaze’s Benny Johnson contributed to this report.

Comments (147)

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  • Its Gonna Getcha
    Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:22pm

    I’m sorry these people had so much hell in their lives growing up, that they were mentally, emotionally, and/or physically abused and hindered to reach their full potential. I’m sorry they were tied down, held captive, and never understood that all this time, they were free to be free.

    Even if they wanted to experience a new brain filter,the immense wave of forgiveness, calm & contentment would be too overwhelming for them to maintain for even a minute. They’d shove it away like foul vegetables. I feel sorry for them.

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    • Ruler4You
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:34pm

      All of this stems from poor reading comprehension. Despite what they may have been taught in school, comprehension of the written word “IS” all that’s necessary for, well, comprehension.

      Lack of lucidity, despite secondary education, only proves that no matter where you call your Alma Mater you are still as dumb as a post if you can’t ascertain the context of the content.

      And as this woman shamelessly demonstrates, ignorance of your own stupidity “IS” a liberating experience. It’s probably better for all concerned if she continues on in the tradition of lamp posts everywhere.

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    • pavepaws
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 3:10pm

      People making a lot of noise. I’m sure they gained few converts at the circus.

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    • edcoil
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 4:20pm

      atheist paradox

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    • Shiroi Raion
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 4:25pm

      Contraception is a Constitutional right? Which amendment is that written into? Which Constitution are they reading… the Soviet’s? They call everything a right. It’s ridiculous beyond belief. I asked someone, “Do you think you have the right to have a satellite dish?” She said, “Yes?!?!?” So, you have the right to the labors of others? You should have anything you want paid for by someone else or are the people that worked to make these things nothing but slaves toiling for your enjoyment? It must be one or the other. How long until your work is considered a right and you receive whatever the government decides you can have for your work? Then how long until the government just claims all people and property their own and there are no more rights for anyone?

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    • Jaycen
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 4:55pm

      @Shiroi Raion

      I don’t fully understand it, but there does seem to be a link between atheism and socialism.

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    • Grubmeister
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 5:07pm

      What makes you think they had a tough time growing up. You may want to confirm or disprove that belief by reading Dan Barkers’ book. You‘ll probably be shocked at what you’ll find. A very intelligent, thoughtful person. I would wager he‘s walked much farther than you in those shoes you believe you’re wearing.
      I’ll probably do some reading on his wife and her parents soon. I know they’ve been committed to the cause for many years before Dan achieved coherence.

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    • SoNick
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 5:09pm

      @itsgonnagetcha
      “I’m sorry these people had so much hell in their lives growing up, that they were mentally, emotionally, and/or physically abused and hindered to reach their full potential. I’m sorry they were tied down, held captive, and never understood that all this time, they were free to be free.”
      Funny, this is, word for word, how most atheists would describe believers! We’re called freethinkers because we choose to be “free to be free”. How could choosing your own path, without fear of some kind of supernatural punishment, “hinder your potential”? Real thinking begins when you stop wasting your time on fairytales.

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    • Grubmeister
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 5:13pm

      Jaycen,
      There “may” be a link between atheism and socialism of which I’m unaware. Studies have shown there is a link between education and atheism. There is also a link between education and liberalism(/progressivism if you prefer). I’ll give you a minute to back up and make a run at it. We’ll see if you can leap the logic chasm.
      Hint: if you work the answer right it won’t come out as “so smart people really are stupid”.

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    • Quiata
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:29pm

      @GRUBMEISTER Of course there’s a link between “education” and liberalism/atheism/socialism. It is directly proportional to the amount of time a mind with few well-developed critical thinking skills sits in a lecture hall led by a promoter of the aforementioned “-isms”. Translation: the longer a philosophically defenseless young student is indoctrinated, the greater the likelihood of conversion to the new “faith”.

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    • Cesium
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:49pm

      Here’s the difference between Leftwing atheists and conservative atheists like me. Yes, the bible is a fairy tale, no contraception is not a constitutional right. Does the fact I said I’m a conservative atheist make you Blaze readers minds swell? There are others like me… try not to hurt yourselfs.

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    • Quiata
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:57pm

      @CESIUM Okay, so you’re a conservation atheist. Big whoop-tee-doo. Oh wait, I was supposed to be impressed….give me moment…(is my mind supposed to implode or something?)…sorry, must be immune. ;-)

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    • Quiata
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:03pm

      @CESIUM Oops, my bad: maybe you’re also a CONSERVATIVE atheist as well as one who advocates conservation. =)

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    • robert
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:09pm

      “Atheist Leader Calls Contraception a ‘Constitutional Right’ & Dubs the Bible a ‘Grim Fairy Tale’Faith”

      I‘ll bet a thousand to one this same geek won’t EVER call the Quran a Grimm Fairy Tale.

      I wonder why?

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    • HumbleMan
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:28pm

      Well said Ruler.

      Language is our means of communicating ideas. It’s the basis of our human coexistence (and God given, in my opinion). Without adequate mastery of language we cannot hope to have a civil society. Laws and contracts are based upon it.

      Liberals try to make language vague and misleading … all the while pretending to hold the intellectual high-ground.

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    • HumbleMan
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:37pm

      There is a close connection between socialism and atheism. If you believe as Lenin did: “The goal of socialism is communism.”

      If you understand that communism “requires” the destruction of religion, then it should be clear. I won‘t waste more words since it’s not likely any liberal can stomach these few.

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    • HumbleMan
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 7:40pm

      And for you @Grubmeister, the real “Fairy tale” is that communism and/or socialism can deliver the Utopian promises they proclaim.

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    • Onowicit
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 9:07pm

      @Ruler4You
      Love it, Great response….is there a ditto sign on my keyboard?

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    • Grubmeister
      Posted on March 28, 2012 at 4:32am

      Humbleman,
      There is no direct connection between atheism and socialism or communism. Atheism is not a system of belief. It is only an absence of belief in a deity. Try to twist it any way you like but it is nothing more. Individual atheists have their own causes but those are extracurricular activities. It is faulty logic to suggest that because Lenin and Stalin were atheist, all atheists are socialists/communists. Let’s not even get into Hitler. He worked all angles.

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    • Grubmeister
      Posted on March 28, 2012 at 4:42am

      Shiroi,
      Apparently the high court ruled 7-2 in Griswold vs. Connecticut the state law forbidding the use of contraceptives was unconstitutional, in part because of due process, but mainly because it violated “the right of marital privacy.”
      That pesky supreme court subverts the literal translation of the constitution again.

      I do not have a transcript of the Gaylord speech so I can’t say with certainty to what aspect she was referring. I don’t want to put words in her mouth but I think some clarification of this issue is necessary. According to the supreme court, contraceptive ownership and use is protected by the constitution. Anyone making a claim that the constitution mandates government must provide contraceptives is confused. That goes far beyond the original supreme court ruling. That is not to say new laws could not be passed doing just that, just not that the constitution makes it so.

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    • Grubmeister
      Posted on March 28, 2012 at 4:53am

      Quiata,
      Most people are indoctrinated into religion as children. I would agree with you they are philosophically defenseless at that age. In fact, I would suggest it is child abuse. It sounds as if you’re upset an education may upset the entire brainwashing process.
      People grow up, they live, they learn. Some learn to distinguish reality from fantasy. It requires honesty and courage. Many of us are trying it lately and we like it. We’d like to help you reach the promised land too.

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    • Quiata
      Posted on March 28, 2012 at 6:59am

      Okay, Grubbie, that’s cool. Please explain how YOU would raise children and teach them to distinguish “good” from “bad”…. and whose version of “good and bad” are you going to use (this time), since you’re basically borrowing the Judeo-Christian one for now? Or….are you going to invent your own version of right from wrong? (In short, what is the basis for your moral framework: You?)

      I suppose atheists are eventually going to have to get on the same page and come up with their own little moral handbook, replete with tenets and bylaws, their own explanations, evangelists & proponents (like Dawkins) and acolytes, too. ….How else will atheists be taken seriously when they attempt to take a “moral” position on anything, and avoid erosion of the morals they claim to hold?

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    • SoNick
      Posted on March 28, 2012 at 9:49am

      @quietsa
      If there‘s one argument I can’t stand, it’s the old “atheists have no morals and the few guidelines they have were borrowed from Christianity” you just used. What you’re implying is that before Christ, human beings had no moral compass whatsoever. In fact, the Bible merely put in words what is known as “natural law”. Every single human being, theist or not, instinctively knows murder is wrong. If you need a book to know this, you are most likely a dangerous psychopath (and no, I’m not saying all christians are psychopaths, just the ones who think that without faith in God, people would randomly kill and rape each other).

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    • Quiata
      Posted on March 28, 2012 at 6:10pm

      @SONICK No, I’m not implying that civilizations lacked morals before Christianity. Let’s just take Christianity out of it altogether in order to stay on point here. As an atheist, on what basis do you set your moral compass? (Sidenote: Boo on the “genetic” argument: violence is as much a part of our DNA as is kindness and altruism. Try again.)

      Honestly, I would like to hear from an atheist’s perspective: is stealing wrong, and if so, why?

      To bring the conversation back to the point of this article, why is it morally acceptable (even desirable) to appropriate, via a powerful government, the fruit of other people’s labor to subsidize the recreational activities of others? ==> Not so strangely, atheism, communism, and socialism spread around the planet with linked arms.

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    • iono12345
      Posted on March 30, 2012 at 9:45pm

      @Quiata
      “Honestly, I would like to hear from an atheist’s perspective: is stealing wrong, and if so, why?”

      Well our morals and discovery of right and wrong stem from the evolution of culture, let’s start with the caveman. As we hunt and gather we depend on each other, if a natural emotion such as anger controls our lives then it is bad for the group..i.e. I steal from my fellow cave dweller, which in turn causes strife within our tribe, eventually I steal from the wrong person and he kills me…the rest of the tribe says dam, he may have been a thief, but he was a good hunter. Now perhaps we have to deal with the loss of a useful tribe member and perhaps revenge. Instead they learned to ostracize bad tribe members as they are still useful and it will keep peace in the tribe …take it to its basic element and we can see how the natural laws progressed over the years…there is no magical entity handing us down our morals…we have learned over time that greed, lust, murder destroy a society, so we learn from this and grow in harmony.
      Instead of being simple though I think it is more complex as ego and personality of leaders plays a major role in culture, there are group leaders that want more and more control over their environment, insecure humans want to be guided and control this makes them feel comfortable, people want what others have, we are self aware, perhaps this is how religion is born and becomes a controlling element in our lives? Godbeles

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  • IMCHRISTIAN
    Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:17pm

    That is ok they have the right to chose no religion and have the right to have the freedom of religion and something to look forward too….

    If more people did believe and follow the ten commandments they would be able to fix this nation of many ills such as it is it has been getting worse and worse with abortions, hating, swearing, sex before marriage, bad entertainment, people wanting to control other people.. etc.

    At least I have some one (God) to go to if there is illness, death or anything that I need to talk to Him about… Try Him you might like Him.

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  • Bob Ingersoll
    Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:13pm

    I can prove there is no hell. If there is no hell then there is no heaven. If there is no heaven, there can be no god.

    How do I know this?
    Priests are trained in religion, priestcraft.
    If anyone knows about heaven and hell, they do.
    Since a number of priests have sodomized and sexually assaulted innocent little boys, they certainly know there is no hell or have no fear of the concept.

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    • burnbabylon
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:24pm

      I’ll take your comment seriously and ask.
      HOW STUPID ARE YOU?
      Just because some of you queer butt-buddy atheists snuck in and had a party doesn’t mean there is no God.
      Do humanity a favor: Don’t breed, just cut em’ off.
      Do America a favor: Don’t Vote.

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    • Murkman
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:57pm

      So because some men have sinned, there is no God? Well I can’t argue with that logic! Toss out yer bibles and tear down the churches folks. It was all a hoax.

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  • Murkman
    Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:01pm

    Has she even read the constitution? How many people in the US have actually read it? For the record, I have. Shouldn’t our federal legislators, judges and president be required to pass an extensive test on the matter. They all swear a duty to uphold and protect but I‘m not sure they actually know what’s in it? That “promote the general welfare” clause in the preamble …those four words have caused more trouble than any other four words I can think of!

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  • Brooke Lorren
    Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:01pm

    The Bible will be grim all right, but it’s no fairy tale.

    Atheists will get to have their “fun” without Christians once the rapture happens, but I‘m not sure that they’ll like it for very long. Sure, the Christians will be gone, but it’ll make these last couple of years look like a pleasant dream. In the end, they’ll get to meet Jesus and tell Him what they really think of Him, but that won’t end up well either.

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    • Komponist-ZAH
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:59pm

      Actually, in a way, she’s right:

      “The Gospels contain a fairy-story, or a story of a larger kind which embraces all the essence of fairy-stories. … But this story has entered History and the primary world; … It has pre-eminently the ‘inner consistency of reality’. There is no tale ever told that men would rather find was true, and none which so many sceptical men have accepted as true on its own merits. For the Art of it has the supremely convincing tone of Primary Art, that is, of Creation. …this story is supreme; and it is true. Art has been verified. God is the Lord, of angels, and of men–and of elves. Legend and History have met and fused.”
      —J.R.R. Tolkien, On Fairy-Stories (1939)

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    • Quiata
      Posted on March 29, 2012 at 6:26pm

      @CALM Well, that’s mighty Christian of you (and I’m not trying to mock here). It’s NOT self-evident, Calm, why things are “wrong” in the absence of some kind of universal reason or authority.

      I’ll leave it at this: History (and even the modern day) is filled to the gills with individuals and cultures which glorify what you would deem as “wrong”, and if you confronted them with your assessment of their actions, they’d say, well “why?“ and ”prove it!” if not just ignore you altogether. Where are your moorings to that Truth with a capital “T”?

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  • swsb6x
    Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:53pm

    Can someone tell me how does an atheist determines what is right and what is wrong?

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    • HKS
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 3:32pm

      That‘s why it’s subjective, changes from day to day. No guidelines.

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    • Grubmeister
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 5:18pm

      Read some Hitchens. He’s got whole chapters devoted to this question. Some of it is socialization but mostly he believes it is genetic predisposition. I’m still debating this in my mind.
      One point he does make that appears sound…believers in the bible do not follow all instructions as laid out by the so called “good book”. For example, I’ve not heard lately of anyone being stoned for picking up sticks on the sabbath. There are other examples of this type in the bible. If you are not following these instructions, you too are picking and choosing your rules to live by. In this case, your morals are subjective. Just sayin’

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    • Quiata
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:43pm

      All you have to do when confronted by an atheist who claims to be making a “moral” stand is to ask, “Says who?”

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    • burnbabylon
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 9:23pm

      @ Grubby
      Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
      Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
      This Mr. Hitchens you recommend… you make his intellect seem… stunning?

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    • Calm Voice of Reason
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 10:08pm

      @SWSB6X: As an atheist, I can tell you that many of the values that form the basis for my morality were those values I learned in church. Also, the Bible, the Boy Scouts, and of course, my family. As I grew, I was able to understand the moral philosophies to be found in the world’s great literature and the moral traditions of many different cultures. There is nothing about atheism that contraindicates a moral compass, it just means that it doesn’t involve an unsupported belief in the supernatural.

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    • infidelible
      Posted on March 28, 2012 at 1:20am

      First, to group people by what they don’t believe and then to ask what they do believe is really a non-starter. If your question is sincere, however, you might address it with a look at Objectivism, a fully-featured philosophy that rules out anything that isn’t in reality. A particularly good book is “Viable Values” by Tara Smith. In it, you’d discover an ethics and morality rooted in behavior that advances human life. In fact, life is the objective measure of behavior.

      As for Judeo-Christian reliance on the 10 commandments, let’s look. In the 2nd, God is “jealous” – how is an all-loving God jealous? In the 4th, “servants”? Why does God distinguish between men and women and advance servitude? In the 5th, do you honor bad parents? 6th, though shall not kill – huge can of worms. 7th, adultery – what is the nature of the covenant in the 1st place? 8th, stealing – exceptions to the rule? Many. I like the 9th, actually. 10th isn’t bad either. In general, one has to wonder what the commandments are really aiming at.

      Looking at the commandments, where do you get your morality?

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    • Grubmeister
      Posted on March 28, 2012 at 5:01am

      Burnbabylon,
      I have a short quote too:

      “Oh flundered gruntbuggly,
      Thy micturations are to me
      As plurdled gabbleblotchits
      On a lurgid bee
      That mordiously hath bitled out
      Its earted jurtles”

      It is Vogon poetry and I find a literal translation answers all questions. I hope you like it and will devote your life to studying it. If you don’t, you’ll go somewhere reaaaalllllyyyyy bad.

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    • Grubmeister
      Posted on March 28, 2012 at 5:04am

      I must make a correction. I earlier intended to suggest reading Richard Dawkins, not Hitchens.
      Hitchens is good to but that’s another post.

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    • Quiata
      Posted on March 28, 2012 at 7:08am

      @CALM VOICE and GRUBBIE Why, oh why, when pointing to moral compasses gone awry, atheists consistently turn a blind eye to the antics of Stalin and Mao (for instance)? These two regimes, in their quests for godless utopias, mowed over millions and millions (that’s MILLIONS, guys) of people who didn’t quite fit into their plans. Starvation, murder, gulags, prison and work camps….how does an atheist look at this and not categorize this as immoral, or dare the word, EVIL?

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    • Calm Voice of Reason
      Posted on March 28, 2012 at 10:09am

      @Quiata: I don’t ignore what Stalin or Mao did, those were horrible people who did horrible things, certainly immoral and I would totally agree that they were EVIL. The immorality of those guys, though, was not that they didn’t believe in the Judeo-Christian god, but what they choose to do with the power that they had. Their actions are directly counter to the ideals of reason and they are in no way representative of atheism. I don’t expect the Christians that I know to account for the centuries of horrible behavior of the church. But, I do feel the need to point out that it’s very difficult to dissuade a person hell-bent on destruction when their actions are not guided by reason and morality, but by religious conviction that asks for no proof and ignores evidence. When a person has the belief that God himself has ordered something, there really isn’t any way to argue against it, even if that person is clearly wrong. For example, it is a common news article when some couple, led by nefarious religious leaders, decides that only God can cure their sick children. It’s often some terrible ailment that can be fixed relatively easy, but God has “told” them that they must not take them to a doctor. How do you convince someone that this is the wrong choice? Or, can you even agree that this is a wrong choice? We are told that we cannot understand God’s plans, and He has historically asked such things from people, we have no way of proving one way or another, but surely they

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    • SoNick
      Posted on March 28, 2012 at 10:27am

      @grubmeister
      Thank you for quoting the only essential book ever written, a book every theist should read ASAP because it answers the greatest question that has plagued man since the beginning of time. Because you may not have time to read the amazing work of Doug Adams (although you should), I’ll sum it up for you (SPOILER ALERT!): the answer to “what is the meaning of life?” is… 42. Now let us go on with our lives…

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    • Quiata
      Posted on March 28, 2012 at 11:47am

      @CALM and SO-NICK Define evil.

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    • Calm Voice of Reason
      Posted on March 28, 2012 at 11:58am

      @Quiata: I would use the definition of “evil” which is presented by Wikipedia as a basis for argument: “evil is commonly associated with conscious and deliberate wrongdoing, discrimination designed to harm others, humiliation of people designed to diminish their psychological well-being and dignity, destructiveness, motives of causing “unnecessary” pain or suffering and acts of unnecessary or indiscriminate violence.”

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    • SoNick
      Posted on March 28, 2012 at 2:48pm

      @Quiata
      Since CalmVoiceofReason already gave a pretty good answer, let me return the question to you: how do you define evil? Anything considered as such by the Bible? You mean like mixing two fabrics in the same garment? Having sex with your wife during her period? Planting two different crops in the same field? Are these things evil? Are they a menace to the very soul of Humanity?

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    • Quiata
      Posted on March 28, 2012 at 6:22pm

      Backatchya SONICK & CALM: No, I want to hear it from you (since I worship a fictitious sky fairy, you wouldn’t take my reply seriously anyway).

      No, since you have the monopoly on reason, explain: (referring to the wiki source) What is wrongdoing? Why is harming someone “wrong”, especially if you gain their property, land, money, people? ==> History is full of Huns and Goths and Vikings whose soldiers took pride in how viciously they could annihilate an enemy, and even relished it. Bloody Roman arenas where bloody death was spectacle.

      The point is, ANYTHING can be rationalized, reasoned into some kind of morally acceptable framework. What would an atheist-based morality look like in a decade? A century? Would it resemble “Logan’s Run”? Who knows, especially since you “independent thinkers” haven’t hammered out a basic thesis that codifies behavior. If you don’t have a code, the whole thing erodes in just a few generations.

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    • Calm Voice of Reason
      Posted on March 28, 2012 at 9:49pm

      @Quiata: As far as taking your understanding of evil seriously, that’s no matter. As long as you have given it serious consideration, that’s all anyone should expect of a person. I use the Wiki definition of evil because I find it’s good to have a relatively objective definition of something when constructing a debate and I think it sums it up nicely. My own definition is pretty much the same: evil is willfully doing wrong and all that that entails.

      I think a basic morality that everyone can agree upon is simply, “do unto others as you would have them do unto you”. Beyond that, “Everything I need to know I learned in kindergarten” should suffice for a more comprehensive moral belief system. It’s all pretty self-evident as far as I’m concerned.

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  • drago
    Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:50pm

    Cant these people just un-live already?………..

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    • Quiata
      Posted on March 28, 2012 at 6:25pm

      Atheists define themselves by what they’re AGAINST rather than what they are FOR….

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  • momsense
    Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:49pm

    You understand the Constitution? What a surprise ! I‘m surprised that you read anything that isn’t about your egotistical belief in yourself.

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  • THX-1138
    Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:44pm

    I guess I was mistaken.

    Just when I think they can’t say anything dumber they prove me wrong, again.

    Just so long as they keep *their* religion (godvernment) out of my bedroom (and checking account, gun safe, garage, private property…)

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  • cessna152
    Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:38pm

    To all you “Conservative Atheists” … I love how you say you’re “Independent”, self reliant and can think for yourself. Well guess who indoctrinated you on “Atheism”? The government, Public schools, MSM and Mtv …you have been duped! For such smart people you sure fell for such a simple indoctrination technique!

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    • SoNick
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 5:39pm

      Actually, the first book most people read on their way to enlightenment is The Bible (or Torah, of Qu’ran, or all of them, ideally). once you really get into these so-called “holy” books, the man made nature of religion because painfully obvious. Once you,ve gotten past the fairy tales, it’s time to get to some more heady stuf and there are literally thousands of great authors to choose from. Here’s a little list of great authors you should seek out: Aristotle, Epicurus, Democritus, Voltaire, d’Holbach, Helvétius, Hume, Jefferson, Paine, Kant, Camus, Sagan, Dennett, Sobel, Harris, Hitchens… and I could go on and on… if you think some Government forced me to read these great auhtors, you are seriously deluded.

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    • Grubmeister
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:03pm

      Umm…no. Pretty much all I had to do was look at how christians/muslims/fill in the blank behave and believe for me to begin questioning. From there it went to asking my own questions and reading. At some point, it occurred to me the bible was so horribly bogus I would be lying to myself to continue claiming to be christian. I guess it was then I was forced to admit I had become independent. I recommend people try it. It’s scary having to decide what to do with your life but I believe it is more satisfying than always living with guilt and fear.

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    • angeleyes63
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:29pm

      @SONICK
      You call it enlightenment I call it living in darkness. P.S the bible is and has predicted the future with great acuracy predicting and speaking of the dark forces attacking Christianity today just one of many events unfolding in these dark times. Your right to chose I support, the attack and vitriol I don’t.

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    • macpappy
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 9:10pm

      you could not be more wrong, but if that is what it takes for you to sleep at night; have at it.
      Really, anyone that studied the bible with an open mind, pretty much knows what it is, and the word of God it is not. If God has spoken, why has the world not heard?

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    • MyzPhoenyx
      Posted on March 28, 2012 at 12:53am

      Most people can’t “hear” God, because they haven’t figured out how to “listen”. Some don’t even want to hear it, so would you even believe it if you did? It would challenge your beliefs and make you struggle with the idea that not any old behavior, is beneficial behavior. If you heard the voice of God, would you know it? Or would you assume that you were hearing things and go visit your closest shrink?
      Why is it that you have the right to believe what you believe, but I don’t have the right to believe what I believe, because it is contrary to what you believe. How is that your freedoms trump mine, by any stretch of the imagination? You’re allowed to say any hateful, nasty thing to us, and berate us in public, but then you expect respect and dignity for your point of view. Why am I not allowed to have a conversation with someone about my faith, but you’re allowed to traipse about, ridiculing my belief, and banning it from the public eye, because you have some childish notion that your smarter than me, simply because you choose not to believe what I do.
      You should not, and if you truly love freedom you CAN NOT, abide the restriction of anyone’s freedom to worship as they see fit. Whether you agree with them or not. Or one day, it will be your belief system that they come after, when you’ve proven to outlive your usefulness in the court of public opinion.

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    • SoNick
      Posted on March 28, 2012 at 9:59am

      @angeleyes63
      Enlightenment is darkness? You may also want to call a rock a bird but that wouldn’t make it fly. I use the term “enlightenment” in its historical sense, meaning the intellectual adventure that started during the 18th Century, when great western thinkers started shedding their old layers of superstition to replace them with reason, science and critical thinking. These ideas eventually led to so many human adventures, such as the founding of the United States of America. Natural Law and Enlightenment ideas, not the Scriptures, are what the American Constitution and Declaration of Independence are based on.

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  • Dismayed Veteran
    Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:38pm

    Think how afraid these people are that they would use such language against people that do not agree with them. The freedom of America allows me to engage in my religious beliefs and allows her to engage in her non-belief. There is no reason to be so strident. It just sounds like fear to me.

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  • lcltcc
    Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:37pm

    The only people that actually listen to this tripe, are the fools that believe it in the first place.

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  • Therightsofbilly
    Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:36pm

    From the article above:

    “God fixation won’t fix our nation, because nothing fails like prayer,” Gaylor proclaimed during her address.

    Nothing fails like prayer?

    Seems that I have seen that phrase used numerous times in the comments here lately.

    Could mizz Gaylor be a fellow Blazer?

    Or are her followers just not original enough to come up with their own lines?

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    • SeniorSkeptik
      Posted on March 28, 2012 at 5:43pm

      If God answers prayers, why does the Pope use the bullet proof Pope mobile?

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  • mcsledge
    Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:32pm

    Maybe people should read the US Constitution before assuming it covers everything under the sun.

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    • little big man
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:37pm

      mcsledge

      I was going to say about the same thing. maybe we could stone them to death.

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  • Leperus
    Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:19pm

    First they came for the Atheists, and I said nothing because well they were going to hell anyway, right? Then they came for the religions that I didn’t agree with, and I said nothing because, yeah, still going to hell…

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    • Itsjusttim
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:29pm

      If a child says he has no parents, more often they end up living on the street or in prison, because they won’t learn. Well, then Atheists will be damned.

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  • COFemale
    Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:16pm

    I think the only one on her knees is Annie Laurie GAY-lor, if you catch my drift. What this woman can‘t even take her husband’s name? She is nothing but a femi-nazi who can’t even honor her husband by using his last name. She has to be her “own” person and taking her husband’s last name is “losing” herself. Please, you are totally lost not matter what name you use. Frankly, I don‘t even see what your husband see’s in you. Now that I think about it, perhaps if you’d focus on your marriage and get _____ more often, all that anger will dissipate.

    I don‘t care you don’t believe in God or read the Bible, don’t begin to think for one moment YOUR RIGHTS trumps MY RIGHTS. I will fight you to the end. I am looking forward to seeing you on my own home turf, so I can give you a piece of my mind. You are a hateful lost woman.

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    • Quiata
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:53pm

      “Parasite Fatigue” is starting to set in. What this woman advocates is that basically she *thinks* she has a right to the fruits of other people’s labor in order to subsidize her recreational/leisure time activities.
      The left is churning out more hungry parasites than the host can possibly keep up with.

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  • TEIN
    Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:12pm

    Perpetrator of pride…..The desire is for you to rely on your own wisdom or worse, them and their experts and wisdom….Atheist’s will preach open mindedness as long as you embrace their wisdom…setting up a scenario of dogma…time to find out who your master is and who you will seek for answers…. Remember what cometh before the fall??

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  • Itsjusttim
    Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:08pm

    Well the thing about the Bible is that what’s in Heaven is also in reality, so when the Bible calls the earth God’s furnace, not only is it referring to the refining of the souls of people, but it is also referring to the heat of the center of the planet.

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    • ChildofJesus
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:12pm

      Heaven is his throne and earth is his foot stool.

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    • Itsjusttim
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:14pm

      It’s my guess that humans got the idea of mining from God.

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    • TEIN
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:17pm

      @Tim…no its not…..try again….

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    • Itsjusttim
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:19pm

      ChildofJesus,
      Yes, that’s one way to explain heaven. Another way is that God takes people’s souls from earth when they conquer, and he places them in a world that has been getting prepared since the beginning of the world. Like that it’s like a foot-stool.

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    • KickinBack
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:20pm

      Dude, I would give you a dollar if you could type out just ONE comment that wasn’t all fire and brimstone…Well, maybe a quarter…at least so you could get a better avatar.

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    • Itsjusttim
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:22pm

      But if the answer was just handed to you on a silver platter, then you’d be just as brain-dead not conquering as the life-time welfare collectors.

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    • oldguy49
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:23pm

      they want the state relegion……..remember the global warming people want us to worship mother earth and give all our hard earned money

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  • KickinBack
    Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:05pm

    I think I know why atheists (that is, the religion bashing ones) and liberals in general are always so angry.

    They’re not pretty. They’re not even cute.

    Heck, the only liberal that I would say is hot would be my own dog…a german shephard…and I say she‘s a liberal because she doesn’t like anybody.

    At least she knows all her toys by name…I guess that makes her smarter than most liberals.

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:21pm

      Your dog is a liberal because it relies on you to provide it with free food, free shelter, and free health care.

      And in many cases, free, invasive, & mandatory birth control………OUCH.

      But of course it is FREE only for the dog, not you.

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    • cessna152
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:33pm

      …and that’s why ugly women are referred to as “dogs”.

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    • Grubmeister
      Posted on March 28, 2012 at 5:10am

      Your dog is “hot”?

      Waaaaaayyyy too much info., but maybe that’s just the libertarian way. I dunno.

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  • kentuckypatriot
    Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:04pm

    FFRF:
    I got alot to say to you, but I am trying to restrain myself. I hope you rot in hell for your comments and pray to whatever you don‘t believe in we don’t meet in a dark alley somewhere. You and your kind DO NOT scare me, just makes me STRONGER in my convictions. F you FFRF

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    • SoNick
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 5:41pm

      You dare call yourself a christian but it seems to me you fail to understand the core issues of Jesus’ teachings. You know, all that “love thy neighbour” stuff?

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    • macpappy
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 9:14pm

      No wrath like a pissed off Christians, and you wonder why other folks fear you.

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    • Grubmeister
      Posted on March 28, 2012 at 5:20am

      KentuckyPatriot,
      Nobody is trying to scare you. I‘ll try to boil down the game plan so you don’t feel blindsided and get upset. First, a secular (nonreligious) government, but not necessarily a nonreligious country. My son has a security blanket too. He calls it Blankie and he‘ll give it up when he’s ready. Eventually, when you start seeing we‘re not out to take your guns and make you work in a gulag you’ll begin seeing us atheists as something more than sub-human. Then, through a courteous discussion, we hope to convince you that you can live happily without relying on rituals, superstitions and fairy tales.
      Baby steps first though.

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    • Mr._Proud_Conservative
      Posted on March 28, 2012 at 10:12pm

      @GrubMeister:

      What of the people like me who already don’t rely on those things, but rely on God?

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  • hi
    Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:03pm

    The fairy tale that government should rule one’s life has failed all over the world.

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  • youdidthis
    Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:03pm

    all i know is this group seems to be more marxissoccomm than atheist.

    pushing govt control agenda…?wtf.

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    • RosePurple
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 4:12pm

      Yeah, it‘s like they’re all jumping on the ban-wagon…….

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  • Mark0331
    Posted on March 27, 2012 at 12:57pm

    The vitriol and anger spewed by these atheists is mind numbing…To ‘agree to disagree’ with someone is a mature position taken by most adults. To shriek and scream about it are the tactics of hateful children…aka “The Left”…it is comical and amusing and yet gives us sane people a glimpse into their warped ‘inferiority complex’…spooky. The 1st Amendment is pretty straightforward. Learn it and move…geesh.

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    • TEIN
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:20pm

      As well as having to convince others through lies and misrepresentation and doing things in the shadows….I know who the father of lie’s is…..

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  • stockpicker
    Posted on March 27, 2012 at 12:56pm

    The Bible is grim alright- for those who refuse to believe.

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  • HKS
    Posted on March 27, 2012 at 12:53pm

    When she draws that last breath she shall find out about fairy tales.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on March 27, 2012 at 12:57pm

      She’s right, it will be grim for her.

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