Atheist Students Encourage Christians to Exchange Their Bibles for…Pornography
- Posted on April 3, 2012 at 7:40pm by
Billy Hallowell
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Atheists have ramped up their efforts to gain greater respect and prominence in American society. While there are some non-believing organizations and groups that seek to have respectful debates with religious peoples, there are others that simply seek to poke fun at and incite the faith community.
Take for instance the Atheist Agenda, a student group at the University of Texas at San Antonio. The group setup a table on campus and promised to offer an exchange to anyone interested: Hand in a Bible or religious text and receive a pornographic magazine. They dubbed the event “Smut for Smut,” in an apparent effort to frame the Bible as a book with comparable connotations to pornography.
The annual event, which can be traced back to 2008, is typically carried out to bring attention to the group. However, Kyle Bush, the president of Atheist Agenda, claims that the effort is also setup to spark conversation, while spreading freethinking sentiment.
Atheist Agenda's "Smut for Smut" event (Image Credit: Brent Harris/WORLD on Campus)
“The point is not to hand out porn, but rather the primary purpose is to get people to come talk to us so we can get our message out,” Bush explained. “We want to spread atheism and bring it more to the spotlight. We offer another alternative to people who might not fit in anywhere else.”
Here are some tweets that the group sent over the past few days in support of the initiative:
While the event has been well-covered in the past, it barely attracted attention this year. While one can certainly argue that exchanging Bibles for pornographic material is an attention-getter, there are certainly less controversial ways of sparking debate and discussion.
Below, watch a clip from the first day of “Smut for Smut”:
WORLD on Campus has more about the somewhat cool response the campus group received this year:
The event caused an uproar on campus in 2008 and made headlines around the world. But this year, few students took notice. During the four hours Atheist Agenda members spent next to their signs each day, only about 30 people stopped by to get information about the club or start a debate. [...]
In addition to Bibles, the group offered to collect other religious texts, including the Quran, and any books written by prominent pastors, including Joel Osteen and Rick Warren. During the event, Atheist Agenda collected five Bibles, one Encyclopedia of Islam, and one Quran. The group plans to donate the books to a local library.
Despite the event’s ability in previous years to attract attention for atheism, Bush said the group didn’t have any financial backers outside its student members. The group raised all of the money needed to put on the event themselves, he said. One of the group’s fundraisers included selling popsicles.
Considering that organizers needed to purchase signs, pornography and other essentials, the students had to pitch in to make the event happen. The group apparently purchased 140 pounds of smut magazines for only $30 on CraigsList.
Below, watch a documentary about the group:
There was mixed reaction to the Atheist Agenda’s anti-Bible effort. While some disagreed fervently, many still felt as though it was the students’ right to hold an event based on their beliefs (or lack thereof). Nearby, members of the school’s Victory and Praise Choir sang worship songs and prayed in an effort to make their presence — and stance against the event — known.
(H/T: WORLD on Campus)
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Comments (306)
Windsong
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:25pmHow sad is that? Now, atheists will be forever known as – and associated with…porn. I respected their rights to their beliefs until now. They’ve just proven they have nothing to offer in the way of education or debates on issues…just sex. Hear tell, anyone can get that anywhere. And, to think they actually brag membership in such a mindless, empty cult.
Report Post »Now, I pity them for their belief in nothing…not even themselves. Way to self destruct!
hogtrashhd
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:23pmawwwww,, aren’t the athiest kids so cute and witty.. bleg..
Report Post »black9897
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:48pmTrying so hard to convert people to be a non-believer. Sigh. Makes no sense. Reminds me somewhat of J. Budziszewski’s The Revenge of Conscience: Politics and the Fall of Man. If they honestly didn’t believe they sure try hard to convince others…maybe they are trying to convince themselves.
Report Post »GIDEON612
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 9:12pmAlways take the high road and pray for them, love them as Christ loves us. They have been misled in this fallen world and are reaching out for attention. Pray for them and all that share their views.
Report Post »But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Matthew 5:43-45 (in Context)
stumpy68
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 9:50pmatheism the dumbest religion ever
Report Post »AmericanFightingMan1
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 9:55pmMisery loves company. Lost souls. Hopefully they can find themselves. I would weep if my kid was among them. God forbid.
Report Post »Dde13
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 10:05pmAtheist spend a lot of time thinking about religion when they don’t believe in it. God work in mysterious ways.
Report Post »db321
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 10:24pmIt that was a Christian Group asking Athiist to turn over thier Porn for Bibles – they would have been kicked off Campus.
Hang in their Christians – Jesus said we would be persecuted just like Jesus was – But our reward is much Greater than any Atheist could ever dream up!
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 11:13pmThey could have offered books on Evolution in exchange for Bibles, but they decided Porn was better. I guess when you have no moral compass guided by a Supreme Being, morals are unimportant. Yet, I have read Atheist on this site say they live by the values of the 10 Commandments. It would be good then if they could share those values with the Atheists in this article. Just don’t understand why they even need to share their lack of faith in such an obnoxious way. Intellectual discussion too boring?
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 1:22am@DDE13 “Properly read, the bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived” -Isaac Asimov
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 1:36amI hope they go door to door in my neighborhood and stop at my house…
Report Post »I might be a simple Monk but, I know the difference between wrong and right, and good and evil.
I have a Katana waiting for any such person that knocks on my door and asks me to look at porn.
Face...Palm
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 2:57am@cesium… nobody cares what that Russian man wrote…. just throwing that out there.
Report Post »burnteye86
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 4:10am@BLACK That‘s exactly what they’re trying to do. They’re either under conviction or they really WANT to believe.
Report Post »conundrum2020
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 5:57am“We want to spread atheism“ ”We offer another alternative”
An atheist simply chooses not to believe in a god. It is not a theology.
Report Post »They have made themselves a competing religion founded on believing in nothing.
Is this the product of our higher education system? Definitely not the MENSA club.
Leader1776
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 9:23am@CESIUM
Report Post »And Izzy Asimov was famous for what? Writing fiction.
FoxholeAtheist
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 5:51pmSounds like they’re offering to exchange their hard-core smut filled book in for a more R-rated one in comparison. There’s nothing more pornographic than The Bible. Don’t agree? At your next family hour suggest that you and your small children read it from cover to cover. You can talk about how hemorrhoids are a punishment for sin, you can explain in depth what a concubine is or how having more than one wife is perfectly fine if you’re Solomon or Gideon or Abraham (there goes sanctity of marriage), homosexual rape of a woman (explain that one Judges19:1-30), how 200 foreskins gain David a king’s daughter, virgin rape, cannibalism, incest, sexual contests, god’s obsession with feces, etc…While you’re at it, be sure to check out one of my personal favorite chapters, Ezekiel (23:1-40 is the best!)
Good clean fun for the whole family!
Report Post »SayNoToTeaBaggers
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 6:19pmwho whines about gays?
Report Post »strawberry411a
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:22pmNeedless to say i am shocked…utterly shocked. You mean atheists have another agenda other than the belief in a higher power. Shocking.
Report Post »amos-moses
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:28pmAmazing how they are not satisfied having the freedom to choose to be atheist but they must impose their views on others. We really should have pity for these people.
Report Post »Anse
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:35pm“Amazing how they are not satisfied having the freedom to choose to be atheist but they must impose their views on others.”
how can you not see the hypocrisy here
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:37pmI know, right? Christians would never force their views on others…….
Report Post »Christians would never try to force public schools to teach Christian creation science to children or force public schools to install the Christian 10 commandments for every student, many of whom are not Christians, to see. Christians would never do that…….
wvernon1981
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:43pmIn what way is this imposing on others?
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 9:51pmAtheists want to replace the concept of a personal savior or any sort of a good afterlife with the big O. What a loser ideal.
Report Post »THGIC
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 9:48amDISSENTNOW,
“Christians would never try to force public schools to teach Christian creation science to children or force public schools to install the Christian 10 commandments for every student, many of whom are not Christians, to see.”
I’m sorry, but Christians do not try to “force” anyone to do anything. Our mission is to spread the word of God to those who have not heard the good news, and do not believe. We are trying to save those people. We do not “make you believe”.
Stop me if I am wrong, but is it not the Atheists who are demanding a church in Hawaii be evicted from a building that they renovated and contributed to the community for such a long time? They invested into it, and have only been beneficial to that community. And what do the Atheists want? Read for yourself…
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/atheist-group-demands-christian-church-be-evicted-from-public-building-in-hawaii/
And by the way, Religion used to be taught in public schools; however, that all has changed, due to the Atheist groups forcing them out of school. What is their problem? Science and Religion used to be taught in a school, with no qualms…and now? I think it would be YOU who are trying to (and are succeeding in) “force their views on others”.
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 4:53pmSo, CHRISTIAN special interest groups that pay off politicans on local and national levels in order to try and force public schools to display the CHRISTIAN 10 commandments or to teach CHRISTIAN creation science to children, many of whom are not CHRISTIAN, isn’t forcing?
Report Post »If you want your children to be taught from a Christian perspective, then by all means, home school them or send them to a private Christian school. No one is forcing you to send your kids to a public school. Public schools are called “public” for a reason. Non-Christian children shouldn’t be forced, in a public aschool, to be taught Christian theology.
For the record, i do not let my atheism define who i am as a person, so do NOT say that I am personaly removing god from the classroom.
FoxholeAtheist
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 5:53pmYes. Our agenda is to end ignorance and superstition.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 5:55pmHow dare they use their Constitutional rights to free speech that you all seem to be so fond of to promote common sense! They should be stoned to death for their heresy!
Report Post »d400f
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:19pmWay to showcase the moral superiority of Atheists!
Hurry, grab your Hitchens book and regurgitate a clever retort.
Report Post »Onowicit
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:17pm“It;s in the bible, it’s in the bible, its in the bible, its in the bible, it’s in the bible. I knows it’s not right BUT I would LOVE to see someone Slap the word bible right out of this kids mouth. The only reason no one does of coarse is IT”S IN THE BIBLE!
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:47pmNo one does it because it’s assault which is written in the state law, not the Bible. The Bible said to kill blasphemers.
Report Post »Onowicit
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 9:11pm@wvernon1981
1 Timothy 3:3 Not given to wine, NO STRIKER, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a BRAWLER, not covetous;
thanks for the correction. If it was just an assault charge I would SHOVE my religion, WAY down his throat BUT “lucky” for people like this it’s not just a STATE LAW.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 6:48pmHow Xtian of you. Here I thought it was just your god and the fear of hell that kept you from resorting to that sort of violence. I can see where you get your ‘morality’ from, and it’s not civilized society. Don’t forget, it’s the laws of this land that also give you a voice; as pathetic, angry, and uneducated as it is.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 6:54pmThe Bible also says to kill your kids if they talk back to you and somewhere in it, it says you’re going to hell for eating shellfish. I think that’s on the same page that we read how much your god hates homosexuals. But wait, that’s the law given to the Israelites, god’s chosen people (apparently god makes some people just a little bit better than others and then blames them for not being good enough). I guess we don’t have to follow it. So much for the frown on homosexuality. Unless Jesus said he didn’t come to change one tittle of the law. In that case, I hope you can‘t access this post at a Red Lobster or you’re doomed.
Dumb a*s.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 6:57pm“Not a brawler”? No no no. It says right here, in the Bible I have right in front of me, that you need to kill blasphemers.
You mean the Bible *gasp* contradicts itself? No WAY!
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:15pmWay to go Atheists, keep working for God, there ya go keep up the good work keeping them on trial testing their devotion. Of course in the end, not much will be said for you.
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 1:25amIn the end Atheists will have lived a full live, and you a life of slavery to your mind where you sadistically entertain yourself into thinking there will be some kind of punishment for us. I know the idea of this pleases you sicko..
Report Post »Face...Palm
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 3:02am@cesium…. you don‘t seem like you’re living the “full” life. Does a happy person go around trolling online? Food for thought.
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 7:48am@ cesium. Has is ever occurred to you that The Bible is a description of the best way to live a successful,fulfilling, civilized life to overcome the effects of a selfish human nature?
Report Post »Ohio50patriot
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:14pmIt is easy to defy God when you are not in his physical presence. I wonder how fearful and remorseful the atheist will be when they have to stand in his physical presence and be judged. There will be no excuse that can save them.
Report Post »Racemosa7
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 10:45pmWe will be judged for not giving them the Gospel of Christ. Soul winning is wise, Proverbs 11:30
Report Post »SayNoToTeaBaggers
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 6:20pmi am soooo scared?
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 6:59pmPlease produce evidence of this. Just like the Ghostbusters, I’m ready to believe you.
Report Post »rgillespie1
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:13pmGod doesn’t believe in atheists.
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 1:31amWhere do you people get this information from!? It boggles the mind how you take irrational ideas and project them so arrogantly to suit your ego! Shouldn’t god know the outcome of things? isn’t your god omniscient? If he already knows how it’s all going to play out why would he believe or not believe in anything? Well guess what, Apollo and Zeuz believe in me. They told me so! you can’t disprove it either! and I can’t disprove you, so we’re all right by personal decision! No work, labor, or thought required.
Report Post »Face...Palm
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 3:05am@cesium… are you going to be OK? Take a chill pill. U got punked.
Report Post »LemonyFresh
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 1:43pmWho wastes their fleeting life here on Earth arguing with people who believe something you KNOW does not exist? What a fool. Dude you should be out in nature or watching a stripper or at a dance club or occupying something. Yet there you are sitting at a device in-doors wasting your life. You are and you know it. Enjoy your religion there pal. Wow. And today just might be your last day here and you spent it being prideful defending your belief in NOTHING…. I cannot freaking comprehend the level of blatant retardation that is emanating from your corer of existence. WOW. Keep it coming because I know you just can’t walk away. Keep jabbing… it is all you have.
Report Post »SayNoToTeaBaggers
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 6:21pmi agree, u need to exist
Report Post »Face...Palm
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 6:24pmyou mad? relax.
I have a phrase for you. “tu quoque”.
see… you can learn something every day if you’ll listen.
p.s. who says the blaze comments section is all I have?! ever heard of Netflix? duhhh
Report Post »Danthebugman
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:07pmIt is appointed unto man once to die, and after this the judgement!
One day all men will say yes to Christ. How about that for being relative? That is an absolute!
Report Post »Konacow
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:06pmDon’t worry Atheists, in the end GOD has a plan on JUDGEMENT DAY for you people. HELL is forever and burning in hell forever is NOT something that I would like to do, but that is your choice with your porn. GOD says in the BIBLE that the CHRISTIANS will help destroy the evil in the end, so maybe GOD will have the CHRISTIAN feed the fires of HELL with all that porn to make it burn HOTTER so us suffer more, think about that.
Report Post »Anse
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:15pmor they could just live their lives without the fear hanging over their heads of this ridiculous imaginary punishment invented to keep the tribes in line
Report Post »Ohio50patriot
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:27pmor you could live your life not so peacefully because you have nothing to base your morals on. You can have sex with anyone at anytime, kill those you dont like, cheat on your spouse, molest children, rip off old people and the mentally challenged, do drugs, get drunk, and live off the govenment, and as long as you dont get caught for the illeagal stuff everything will be fine because there are no consequences.
Report Post »DamocleAurelius
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:27pm@ANSE
Real original there, accusing religion as being nothing more than an attempt at controlling the masses. As if the tribe members you refer to didn’t already think of that one already.
Ignorant statements like this one only give credence to my theory that more and more atheists are not so much disillusioned skeptics who grapple with the “big questions” of religious belief, but rather narcissistic pretentious prats who don’t like the idea of a God who dares tell them that being a good person means far more than “not killing” or “not stealing from” your neighbor, (We call that a “bare minimum” in civilized circles) even going so far as to include chastity and temperance among its list of must-have virtues.
Report Post »Anse
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:36pm“or you could live your life not so peacefully because you have nothing to base your morals on. You can have sex with anyone at anytime, kill those you dont like, cheat on your spouse, molest children, rip off old people and the mentally challenged, do drugs, get drunk, and live off the govenment, and as long as you dont get caught for the illeagal stuff everything will be fine because there are no consequences.”
that’s a good point. i should take my moral cues from the bible and keep slaves, marry women after i rape them, murder anyone who doesn’t observe the Sabbath, etc.
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:47pm@Ohio
“or you could live your life not so peacefully because you have nothing to base your morals on. You can have sex with anyone at anytime, kill those you dont like, cheat on your spouse, molest children, rip off old people and the mentally challenged, do drugs, get drunk, and live off the govenment, and as long as you dont get caught for the illeagal stuff everything will be fine because there are no consequences”
That is one of the most ignorant, stupid comments that i have ever read. Good job judging an entire group of people. You should be ashamed of yourself. I am an atheist and i have NEVER done any of the stuff that you have said. However, i have known many Christians who have cheated on their wives, done drugs, get drunk, and cheat on their time sheets at work on a daily basis……all while thumping their bibles. I‘m not saying that atheists don’t do the above stuff but being a Christian doesn’t mean that you are immune to the above mentioned.
Report Post »Inlightofthings
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 9:07pmDissent:
Report Post »I‘m a business owner and I’ve been cheated by many a people as they cloaked themselves in Christianity. Those have been the most appalling experiences in all of business and the one’s I remember most vividly for that reason alone. “I’m a Christian man…but…”
Ohio50patriot
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 9:11pmhmmm I dont recall saying every atheist was living this way. To be specific my point is as an atheist you can do anything you want, good or bad, because you have no consequences when you die. The only thing you would have to worry about is mans law and if you can get enough atheist into legislatures you could alter mans law to accomidate any behavior, without fear of consequenses. As an atheist what do you base your morals on? There is no standard for morals among atheist, one may think it is ok to kill. rape, steal or whatever while others may feel it is bad to do those things for whatever reason. I do know there are Christians who do these things but as a true Christian you know you will be held accountable for these things in the end. As a true Christian I believe you would be less likely to commit these horrendous acts knowing you will be judged by God. I hope this has cleared up any confusion as I would hate to be thought of as stupid and ignorant.
Report Post »Ohio50patriot
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 9:18pmI don’t recall owning slaves or stoning my wife recently hmm must be because of the new testament.
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 9:43pm“Take the blasphemer outside the camp. All those who heard him are to lay their hands on his head, and the entire assembly is to stone him.
Leviticus 24:14
I don‘t hurt people because I quite literally couldn’t bring myself to hurt another. I don’t need a book to hold me back.
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 9:51pm@Ohio
“as an atheist you can do anything you want, good or bad, because you have no consequences when you die. The only thing you would have to worry about is mans law.”
You’re doing it again! You are assuming that atheists have no morals or that we don’t share similar morals with those of the theists. I’ll put my morals and ethics up against yours any day. My atheism doesn’t define who i am as a man. I am a husband and a father of two great kids. I work hard every day and i earn every dime that i make. I don’t cheat, steal, hurt, or screw anyone over. That is what defines me as a man and i stand by my morals and my ethics.
Report Post »Anse
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 9:54pm“I don’t recall owning slaves or stoning my wife recently hmm must be because of the new testament.”
Masters, grant to your slaves justice and fairness, knowing that you too have a Master in heaven. (Colossians 4:1)
Report Post »Ohio50patriot
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 10:07pmJust how am I doing it again I mearly stated that atheist can live their lives in anyway they want without accountability. If your an atheist and you are living a good moral life then more power to you. Don’t assume my statement is all inclusive of all atheist when I never said that.
Report Post »Ohio50patriot
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 10:12pmBy the way ANSE I set my slaves free along time ago.
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 10:22pmYou are saying that we are not accountable for our actions. I am JUST as accountable for my actions as you are. You are implying that atheists are more inclined to commit crimes and acts of violence because we don’t think that there is an afterlife awaiting us.
Report Post »Ohio50patriot
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 10:34pmOk I thought you could figure it out but since you did not I will say it. You are not accountable for your actions to a higher power. You may be accountable to the government, your family and friends, or any other earthly entity but you do not believe in a God therefore you are not accountable to a God. Your friends, family, and even the government cannot condemn you to an etrnity in hell. So therefore you have nothing to fear on your deathbed.
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 10:48pmOh, i understood you loud and clear. All i am saying is that i AM accountable for my actions; accountable to my family, to the law, to my fellow man, and, most importantly, to myself. Therefore, i would NEVER hurt, steal from,or kill my fellow man. Hence, i can go to my deathbed knowing that i lived a good life with no regrets. That‘s all i’m saying. My point to you is that our morals and ethics aren’t that different. You attach religion to yours and i attach humanity and our shared human experience to mine.
Report Post »Face...Palm
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 3:11amExternally atheists can look similar in actions to Christians…. God looks at the heart. You may never see your moral shortcomings without the holy spirit. Either you believe man is depraved or you don’t…. simple.
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 6:22amI have no moral shortcomings and you are no means a better person than i am just because you are a Christian and i am an atheist, so drop your holier than thou BS.
Report Post »Face...Palm
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 10:54amLets make this must easier to understand. “—>***ONE***<—" may never see your moral shortcomings without the holy spirit. Either you believe man is depraved or you don’t…. simple.
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 4:59pmMan is not depraved. Some people are depraved. Charles Manson is depraved. Ted Bundy was depraved. My 16 month old daughter is NOT depraved, nor is she a sinner. Only a mind polluted with the cancerous self-hate dogma that is the hallmark of monotheistic religion can look at a sweet child and see a sinner.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 7:02pmOhio, what do you hold the dearest in your black book of morality? A god who makes people eat poop sandwiches or a god who allows sex slaves as a spoil of war? Trick question! They’re both one and the same!
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:05pmChristians should hold a meeting and offer to accept peoples smut and give them a Bible. Lets see if we might get more takers than the Satan minions got other Satan minions to turn in their Bibles.
Report Post »burnbabylon
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 10:20pmCast not your pearls before swine, etc
Report Post »edmundburk
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 9:36pm@BURNBABYLON- Thare are SOME athiests who are more CHARITABLE then so so called” evengelical christains.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 3:13amEdmundburk – Yet statistically atheists are nowhere near as charitable as evangelical Christians. And supporting government entitlement programs does NOT count as charity.
Report Post »burnbabylon
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 3:15am@EDMUNDBURK Take 2 populations and put them on a common scale. You will probably get two bell curves. Most likely you will get some overlap. So what?
Report Post »If you really wanted to give me a hard time about using that quote you should have asked,”What’s wrong with giving people Bibles?“ Or ”What’s wrong with getting people to give up porn?“ Or ”How do you know if their swine, or dogs, (close minded and hostile), if you don’t try?”
Thanks for getting me to review what I said.
Therightsofbilly
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:02pmBless their little hearts.
Report Post »Tri-ox
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:01pmI must assume that we will not see these same atheists encouraging muslims to trade in their terrorism manuals for porn. Atheists don’t want freedom of beliefs, they exist solely to destroy Christianity, as do their muslim-terrorist cohorts.
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:03pmThey’re doing exchanges for the Quran and the Torah as well.
Report Post »Anse
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:09pmI know, did you ever notice how difficult it is to be a white Christian in the world today? Must be the most persecuted, underprivileged group of people on the planet.
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:00pmbecause you have a “right” to do something does not mean that you should do it. what an idiotic way to encourage people to be athiests.
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:18pmI agree.
These snotty little brats give non-belief a bad name.
Report Post »Komponist-ZAH
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:42pmIsn’t this dangerously close to proselytizing, being “missionaries for atheism”?
And why porn? Wouldn’t a Hitchens or Dawkins book “get the message out” better, if that’s their intention?
Report Post »sick6james
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 7:08pm@KOMPONIST-ZAH
Missionary is the same, no matter your religion, faith, or lack there of. Face to face, man on top.
All joking aside, these “atheists” are doing one of the very things they stand against. They are trying to push their (non-)religion on others. I, for one, would gladly stand with Christians, Jews, and Muslims who would protest against these kinds of actions of “atheists”. The absence of faith should mean the absence of pushing that non-faith on others. Everyone should be happy with their beliefs and leave others alone to enjoy their religion or lack there of.
I am an atheist and I approve this message.
Report Post »KangarooJack
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:00pmMost, not all, in 10yrs time will have a change of heart. They will thoroughly try to scrub clean their past. Throw away any pictures, text, etc. all in the hope their newborn children will NOT see how STUPID they were. These are people who are so wrapped up in pizzing off their Mom/Dad/both that they will stoop to whatever low-just to get their point across.
What is their point??? I don’t know-neither do they!!!
Report Post »sick6james
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 7:30pmHmmm, “atheists” at a college campus pushing non-belief/humanism? Sounds like these “atheists” may be working with commies in the OWS to convert people of faith in God to faith in man/State, in turn, building a base of support for the Commie in Chief, slowly working their politics in with their non-faith.
Honestly, if you want a good education that will be respected by respectable employers, you go to a Christian university. If you want to learn socialism and state-ism, go to your state universities where you have a higher risk of losing your identity and your faith.
I must seem odd to you faithful, eh?
Report Post »Ohio50patriot
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:00pmI wonder if the atheist realize there are no appeals on judgement day God’s decision will be final. Once again I ask any atheist to explain to me how life and various animals and plants came to be without intelligant design? How did birds develope wings and flight? How did binocular vision come to be without intelligent design for that matter how did vision come to be. If you are an atheist go ahead and beleive what you want, I will pray for you. As for me I have proof of God all around me. To the atheist who feel that is is important to convince others that there is no God I ask why. Why do you feel the need to convert a religious person to atheism as there is no doctrine calling for you to convert religious people to atheism. You have no higher power asking you to do this. My beleif is that you are a pawn of satin, his minion, to do his footwork here on earth. I ask all atheist to please stop trying to convince people not to believe in God. It serves no purpose for you other than misery loves company.
Report Post »Anse
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:08pm“To the atheist who feel that is is important to convince others that there is no God I ask why. ”
so you guys stop forcing your superstitious bullshіt into government and schools, where it has no place? other than that, feel free to believe what you want.
Report Post »Ohio50patriot
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:19pmOut bible and religious leaders ask us to go out and teach the world about our belief. When was the last time you were forced to listen to a sermon or go to a church? nice try but no one is being forced to believe anything they dont want to believe.
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:30pmOk, i’ll take your bait;
Report Post »Prove to me right now that god developed wings. Also, prove to me that it was YOUR god that developed wings and not Allah, Zeus, Pan, Mithra or the 10000000′s of gods that have existed through out time.
P.S.> I’m looking for scientific proof. “Because the bible says so” isn’t proof.
Anse
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:34pmI’m not forced to believe anything. I’m forced to, in the year 2012 when we should all know better, deal with politicians who want to abolish gay marriage, ban contraception, promote “intelligent design” in schools, fight Christian crusades in the middle east, and on and on etc.
do the world a favor; believe what you want, but keep it out of everybody else’s life
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:42pm@ANSE
You need to bone up on your American history.
Of course I have probably told you that before.
Report Post »Anse
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:52pmhow’s that?
Report Post »Ohio50patriot
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:58pmThe proof is there is no way evolution could accidentally or incidentally develope complicated systems such as sight and hearing. How would the cells DNA know how to form wings without intelligent design. So prove to me there is no God, you can’t it is impossible. As far as the God and the religion I chose to believe, it is a matter of personal choice and faith. faith is something atheist can’t grasp. As far as gay marrage goes, and correct me if I am wrong, isnt marrage a religious celebration and as such based on the guidelines of the specific religion. That being said if the specific religion states marrage is between a man and a woman then gay marage is prohibited in that religion and the gay couple will have to find another religion to support their marrage or turn to atheism.
Report Post »Komponist-ZAH
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 9:07pmAnse—
So it’s okay for people to disagree with you, as long as you don’t have to “deal with” them. How open-minded of you.
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 9:21pm@Ohio
Report Post »You did NOT prove anything. All you said was that you didn’t think that evolution could produce wings. I asked you to prove that it was god, and more specifically, YOUR god that created wings. Saying that evolution can‘t produce wings isn’t proof that a god produced them. Prove to me, right now, that it was YOUR god that created wings and not, lets say, a superior alien life-form from outer space that created them. I await your proof…..
Ohio50patriot
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 9:57pmI dont know what kind of proof you are looking for. My proof is what I explained, if you want something else your out of luck. Now that being said prove to me there is no God, I want rock solid proof not theory.
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 10:36pmBut you didn’t prove that it was a god that created wings. Prove to me that it wasn’t an alien that created wings. In fact, you didn’t offer any proof at all. Your “proof” that there is a god is that i can‘t prove that there isn’t a god. Is that really scientific?
I can‘t prove to you that there isn’t a god. I can no more prove that there isn’t a god than you can prove that there is a god. At least i’m honest about it.
Report Post »The truth is that neither one of us really knows or can prove how the earth was made because we weren’t there to witness it. Your “faith” is just as much of a theory as evolution is.
Mr._Proud_Conservative
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 10:51pm@DissentNow:
OhioPatriot did give you scientific evidence of Intelligent design though. He stated that attaining complex things such as sight and hearing by chance is nearly impossible when looking at the probability side of it and stated that it is more likely to have been designed by a god.
As for your comment on “why couldn’t it have been aliens?”. Well who put the aliens there to make us? I mean this Alien that you speak of would have to be all powerful, transcend time and space, be all knowing, ect. which would essentially make him no longer an alien, but the god your saying doesn’t exist.
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 11:27pm“more likely to have been designed by a god”
“More than likely” isn’t proof that there is a god. In fact, “more than likely” implies that there might NOT be a god.
Again, the inability to prove that there isn’t a god is not proof, in and of itself, that there IS a god.
Who made god? Were you there? Can you prove that god isn’t an alien? How do you know that the aliens aren’t all powerful, transcend time and space, and are all knowing?
Report Post »The truth is that you DON’T know. You don’t know any more than i do about how the Earth was formed. The only difference is that i am honest about it.
Mr._Proud_Conservative
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 11:54pmYou seem to have misunderstood my statement, so let me clarify.
There are essentially two ways we could have come to be and they are by chance or by design. I’ve shown you evidence against chance so that would imply that design has a greater possibility of being true. It may not prove my theory but it is in fact proof of my theory and is scientific, which is what you asked for.
As for the aliens comment, even if I were to admit that aliens could transcend time and space, (which is ridiculous since aliens are defined as coming from space), be all powerful, be all knowing, ect. it wouldn’t disprove Intelligent Design nor make them any less like god. They would still be god they would just be aliens as well, I mean just because someone is a father doesn‘t mean he can’t be a husband as well.
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 6:32amAgain, nothing that you said was scientific or would hold up in a laboratory. Not being able to prove does not equal proof. You can’t prove your theory that god created the Earth no more than i can prove mine. Again, at least i’m honest about it.
Report Post »Mr._Proud_Conservative
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 8:39am@DissentNow:
Science is far broader subject than a laboratory with beakers and test tubes. Mathematical probabilities can be scientific evidence for a theory, especially when using them in conjunction with biology, as I did.
I admitted already that I could not prove my theory, I was simply providing evidence for it. I mean, there are only two ways everything we see could have been created by chance(a.k.a. not designed) or by a designer. It follows that without any evidence for either side the chance of either happening is 50/50. Now if I were to provide evidence against chance happening it would in fact boost the chance of design happening.
Think of it this way, you don’t know who your father is, but you do know it is either person A or person B. Now if someone were to show you evidence against person A being your father, such as being a different race, being far shorter than you, different eye or hair color, ect. are you telling me you wouldn’t change the scales from 50/50 to even 49/51? That thoroughly disproving person A as your father would have no bearing on the chances of person B being your father, even though you know it can only be one of the two?
Report Post »THGIC
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 10:26amDISSENTNOW,
In order for one to conclude “who created wings”, it is imperative that you discover how everything else came to be, so that everything could exist. If one knows where everything came from — including the matter used in creating life (wings, etc.) — then it is possible to conclude how “wings are created”. And DNA is more than enough “Scientific Proof” to quench your thirst. And DNA has to be something that was created in the beginning, so life could exist…
Let me further explain how everything can exist with “Scientific Proof”, known as “Anthropic Coincidences”.
- http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/designun.html
- http://www.asa3.org/ASA/education/origins/universe2.htm
- http://members.iinet.net.au/~sejones/design.html
And here is a link that gives you quotes from real scientists (of all branches of science) that have discovered what I have found through “Scientific Proof”.
- http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/quotes.html
Please read some of the quotes, and read some of the articles. I don’t suppose that you will read everything. That would take a while (in all honesty).
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 6:51pm@Proudconservative
With your background i’m sure that you understand variables. There are far more variables in the creation of a planet than there are in the example that you gave of a paternity test. The difference is so great that it renders your example to be total apples and oranges.
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 6:54pm@THGIC
Report Post »Prove that it was a god that created DNA. More importantly prove that it was the Christian god that created DNA.
FoxholeAtheist
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 7:08pmDissent: faith is nowhere close to a scientific theory. It’s dishonest and emotionally irrational. A scientific theory is made up of laws that have been peer reviewed and held up to scrutiny. Faith is a belief in something that you have no proof of, admit you have no proof of, and then still believe it when all the evidence stacks up against it while expecting others to do the same. Faith is poison.
Report Post »Mr._Proud_Conservative
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 9:55pm@DissentNow:
Even if I were to agree that my attempt to simplify my argument was like “comparing apples to oranges”, which I don’t, you never made an argument against my original point. It seems your having a hard time grasping my train of thought, so let me try to better explain it and then you can tell me where you differ.
First, I assume that the universe had a beginning. Second, I assume that since the universe had a beginning it had to have been created. Third, since I assume that the universe had to have been created I must conclude that it was either created by a designer or by chance.
Now if you disagree with any of those assumptions then tell me which one and why so we can better debate the topic at hand, if you agree with all them then we are essentially debating whether we came about by chance or design.
I await your response, God bless.
Report Post »Face...Palm
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 1:19amProve that God didn’t create DNA?…
Report Post »…try that one.
dissentnow
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 6:32am@Face
“Prove that God didn’t create DNA”
I can’t.
Report Post »You can‘t prove that he did and i can’t prove that he didn’t.
The only difference is that i am honest about it.
dissentnow
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 6:38am@Mr
“First, I assume that the universe had a beginning. Second, I assume that since the universe had a beginning it had to have been created. Third, since I assume that the universe had to have been created I must conclude that it was either created by a designer or by chance”
I agree
Report Post »Mr._Proud_Conservative
Posted on April 6, 2012 at 10:40am@DissentNow:
Excellent, now keeping in mind that you agree with my final assumption that the universe could only have come about two ways, either by a designer or by chance. Assuming there is no evidence for or against either theory, it would be a 50/50 chance of either happening. Now assume that I give you evidence against one, the less likely one theory looks the more likely the other looks, when there are only two possible theories.
Now let’s compare my above point with my previous analogy. In both statements we know there are only two possibilities, “Person A” with “Chance” and “Person B” with “A Designer”, we have certain clues against “Person A or Chance” that make “Person B or A Designer” more likely.
Now keeping all that in mind let’s remember what you asked for, proof. What is the definition of proof?
Proof: The evidence or argument that compels the mind to accept an assertion as true.
Now, if after seeing and thinking on everything that THGIC and Ohio50Patriot have shown you and you feel that you can still say that you aren’t even .0001% more sure of Intelligent Design then fine, they haven’t given you proof. On the other hand, if they have convinced you even in the slightest, you must admit they have shown proof for their theory.
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on April 7, 2012 at 7:41am@Mr.
Report Post »I respect your willingness to keep this going but you haven’t ( and you can’t ) prove your theory that there is a creator, no more than i can prove mine. A percentage of a percentage is not proof. There are too many variables in the creation of the earth to simply reduce it to an A/B equation
phadeon
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 7:58pmTurn in your Koran and get a pork product.
Report Post »Leadthemtothelight
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:07pmrofl…….thats hilarious…….
Report Post »CatB
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 7:56pmSo say they get one .. what are they going to do with it ?.. say they get a Q’uran what are they going to do with it? I would gladly give them the later .. see if they have the GUTS to dispose of it.
Report Post »Anse
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 7:59pmthe KJV is a pretty great piece of literature but that’s about it.
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:04pmBurn it hopefully. Put it in the pig pen. Cover it in bacon grease. Set it in a nudie bar.
Report Post »Anse
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:18pmit’s worth mentioning that if you happened to be born in a place where islam is prevalent, you’d almost certainly be muslim, and that’s it completely by chance that you happen to practice your personal faith, but ok
Report Post »Netsurfer2
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:30pmOh ANSE, not The Book of Mormon? Just think you can be like God without sin if you work hard enough for it, wear magical underwear and someday have your own planet some day! I’m sure the Devil had his ideas in Genesis when they took the fruit off the tree of knowledge good and evil. What is not natural about being naked?
Report Post »Leopold
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 9:02pmNow that would be interesting to see. I agree.
What is this hatred they have for Christianity?
Well, that is a stupid question, even if I asked it myself.
1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that Antichrist shall come, even now are there many Antichrist; whereby we know that it is the last time.
Obama is responsible for all of this. It is his example of lies and pressure and orders he puts on people, groups and institutions.
If this man gets re-elected it is over for the United States of America.
And that was the plan anyway.
What I find amazing and very suspicious is obama;s brazenness in an election year.
No matter how badly these atheists and any other lefty group behave obama will never say anything against them.
And that is because he is no different. He is a radical in a suit, who was able to deceive many, (just like satan is the great deceiver). to get to the highest office in the world.
That he has no class is evident by his t-shirt and hoody sales.
Obama is and will always be a community organizer
I don’t think he is THE ant-Christ, he is definitely AN anti-Christ.
However, If it turns out that he were the anti-Christ, it would for sure explain a whole lot of his actions.
I have such disgust for this man. His face, his voice, his speech, the way he carries himself. Always looking down on people. This man has a god-complex.
Report Post »Anse
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 9:49pm“I have such disgust for this man. His face, his voice, his speech, the way he carries himself. Always looking down on people.”
the irony here is kind of incredible
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 7:55pmIf They don’t see this as insulting let them pull this Cr*p using a Koran.
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:07pmThey are doing exchanges for Qurans.
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:17pmI don’t think they have B*lls
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 9:44pmThey are also exchanging porn for the Quran.
Report Post »THGIC
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 10:45amPAPERPUSHERMJ,
I am not for this Atheist Agenda, but I am for hard facts. So, let me enlighten you with a little bit of hard facts here.
“During the event, Atheist Agenda collected five Bibles, one Encyclopedia of Islam, and one Quran. The group plans to donate the books to a local library.”
Count:
- 5 Bibles
- 1 Encyclopedia of Islam
- 1 Qur’an
They plan on donating those books to a local Library. And that is the only noble thing I see in this article.
In my opinion, their approach is not a good one; nonetheless, they are trying to “spark a debate” with any of those groups. And in doing so, they have steered people away.
Serves them right.
Report Post »popseal
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 7:55pmReprobation knows no boundry, by definition. It is beyond shame. The reprobate mind has what the Bible calls a “seared conscience”. In its perfect psychological analysis of human nature, the Bible teaches that the behavior reported here is a fear response to the possibility of having to appear before the Bible’s righteous God and give an account of itself. Denial is the only resonable reaction a reprobate mind can have in the face of such fear, since repentance is beyond such a mental condition. In the words of Mr. T, “Pity the fools who say in their heart, there is no God.”
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 7:52pmSorry but God is way more sexy than either sex is. More intelligent also. I’ll keep my Bible. Sex is over-rated anyway. It’s just a pleasant way to procreate.
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:03pm“God is way more sexy than either sex is”
Your comment has registered off the creepy scale. Congrats!
Report Post »SonOfThunder
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:05pmAmen brother …..agape love to you…sex is something God gave to us within the man and woman who are married.
Report Post »Icnivad
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:33pmMEYVN:
Uuummmm… who do you know that procreates in any other… “way”? (O)_(O)
Report Post »Anse
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 7:52pmi mean militant atheists are annoying as fuϲk but at least they don’t try to force their book of ancient, backwards superstitions on people who want nothing to do with it
Report Post »DamocleAurelius
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:06pmriiiight…
Because a bunch of self-righteous, pretentious individuals proposing a porn-for-religious-texts trade in some misguided effort to ”spread atheism” is in no way reactionary or obnoxious.
My question is, with all the beef that atheists say they have against religious belief and religion, why do they act like such Pharisaical c**ts?
Report Post »Anse
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:12pmi think the main thing is their concern that religion impedes scientific progress, fosters ignorance, threatens civil rights and basically has no place in public schools or in government, which is hard to disagree with
Report Post »DamocleAurelius
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:39pmspeaking of fostering ignorance… do you actually do any kind of critical thinking before you post? or are you always this blissfully unaware of reality?
”religion impedes scientific progress”"
Except the Renaissance and the Age of Enlightenment can be directly linked to THE REFORMATION, whereby the Catholic church’s political monopoly was effectively broken…by ANOTHER RELIGION…so a counter example to you ignorance…
“fosters ignorance…”
Ignorant people, such as yourself, foster ignorance. Religious or otherwise. Religion no more fosters ignorance than spoons make people fat.
“threatens civil rights”
Only if you (incorrectly) define civil rights as being someone’s self-proclaimed right to have deviant sex, or fornicate without any sort of consequence (Where no such right exists). You seem to be ignorant of the POSITIVE influence religion had on the civil rights movement, or the RELIGIOUS justifications citizens used to denounce slavery, going as far back as the founding of this country.
”…basically has no place in public schools or in government”
see above
“which is hard to disagree with”
Actually its quite easy to disagree with, since your definition of “religion in schools and government” is any set of beliefs or ideas that you can arbitrarily trace back to religious origins (just about anything and everything philosophical or metaphysical) that you disagree with. Which only makes you an irreligious fascist inste
Report Post »Quiata
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 7:04amAtheist, by definition, is to identify oneself by what you‘re against rather that what you’re for.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 3:12amApparently you’ve never heard of the communist countries, LOL.
Report Post »Inlightofthings
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 7:50pmMost of us thank God for this great country. These folks should be thankful for living in a country that doesn’t round them up for their “freethinking” and make them disappear forever. It happens y’know…
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 7:59pmI am an atheist and i am very thankful to live in a country that grants me the freedom to worship or not worship as i see fit. I just wish that folks on both sides ( religious and non-religious ) could shut their mouths, quit crying, and stop being so easily offended. We should celebrate our freedoms not try to restrict them out of fear or ignorance or arrogance.
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:02pmthey do support the people who will destroy them
Report Post »encinom
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:02pmAs long as Christian Taleban stay out of power free thought will be legal.
Report Post »Inlightofthings
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 9:03pmDissentnow,
So take the time you took to read these posts and write the post and send those clowns a letter saying they are not representative of your position. Their actions are and embarrassment to any cause. Take a stand.
Encino…your comments are irrelevant. Interpreted as you should not waste your precious time.
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 9:35pm@INLIGHT
I will do no such thing. Writing to idiots on either side of isle is a waste of my time. My atheism doesn’t define who i am as a person, as i tend not to let insignificant labels define who i am. I am a husband and a father of two great kids. I work hard every day and i earn my money. That is what defines me. I could care less about cheap labels.
Report Post »Inlightofthings
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 8:51amDISSENT:
Report Post »Sorry, but you are defined by these clowns as well as your actions right? People like you place people like me in with the Westchester wing nuts all day long. And “writing to idiots on either side”…? You spend an inordinate amount of time here posting to espouse your atheist beliefs. You seem conflicted…
SayNoToTeaBaggers
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 6:22pmyour god has nothing to to with the US
Report Post »Inlightofthings
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 7:57pmSAYNO:
Okay, assume I’ll accept that premise within the context of the founders of the country you now reside…Since when, exactly? Only go back to 1775 please. No point in hashing beyond that.
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 8:21pm@INLIGHT
“Sorry, but you are defined by these clowns as well as your actions right? People like you place people like me in with the Westchester wing nuts all day long. And “writing to idiots on either side”…? You spend an inordinate amount of time here posting to espouse your atheist beliefs. You seem conflicted”
I am no more defined by the lunatic fringe of atheism as you are defined by the Westboro baptist church. How dare you say that “People like you place people like me in with the Westchester wing nuts all day long”? How dare you? I don‘t do that and i haven’t done that. I judge people by the content of their character, not by their skin color or their religion. You owe me an apology. I actually spend far more time on the Blaze espousing my libertarian views, my support of small government, fiscal responsibility, and Ron Paul than i do my atheism.
Report Post »Inlightofthings
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 8:44am@DISSENT:
Report Post »Apologize…I’ll do no such thing. My “people like you” comment struck to your willingness to support these guys through omission. I don’t know you beyond that…
dissentnow
Posted on April 7, 2012 at 7:29am@inlight
Report Post »I don’t support them. Where and when did i say that i support them?
Using your logic, may i then assume that you support the Westboro Baptist Church
Git-R-Done
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 7:48pmAtheists don’t have any morals that are based on anything.
Report Post »Anse
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 7:52pmi guess this is the kind of insight you’d expect from someone called “Git-R-Done,” yeah
Report Post »popseal
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 7:56pmThat‘s why it’s called reprobation in our Bible.
Report Post »Anse
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 7:59pmAll my morals come from the Bible. My slaves serve me with respect and fear, i sacrificed my virgin daughter to God as a burnt offering, i killed my neighbor when i noticed that he wasn’t keeping the Sabbath, i shoot homosexuals on sight, and last time I raped a woman i just gave her father 50 bucks and married her!
Report Post »encinom
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:00pmReally, Christianity co-opt the moral teachings of Plato, Socrates, etc. Atheist are just avoiding the middle man.
The bible is the last place to look for morals, the old testiment is filled with GOd apporved genocide, honor killings, slavery. King David, Samson, and other heros of the bibles demonstrated little in the way of morality.
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:22pmI also get my morals from the bible and, as a result, i like nothing more than murdering entire villages ( men, women, and infants ) and raping their underaged virgin girls.
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Posted on April 3, 2012 at 9:46pm@DISSENTNOW All mocking aside, as an atheist, where DO you get your morals? I’d love to hear how on what basis you: 1) categorize “right” from “wrong”, and 2) what atheist strictures insure that a society based on “atheist moral standards” won’t shift into something looking like “Logan’s Run” in two generations?
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Posted on April 3, 2012 at 9:53pmJesus came to fulfill Mosaic law. There are some nuanced interpretations but Jesus was fully in the Judaic law.
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Posted on April 3, 2012 at 10:10pmMy morals come from my sense of humanity and our shared human experience. For instance, i do not steal because i work hard for my stuff and i wouldn’t like it if someone stole from me. Also, my parents taught me from the time that i was a child that stealing was wrong and, therefore, if i stole a toy from my brother or a friend, i got punished. That punishement reinforced the value in me that stealing is wrong. Teaching right from wrong starts at home and it doesn’t come from a book. If you didn’t know, Christians didn’t invent the concept that you should not steal or murder. Those values exisited with various tribes of people long before Christianity first appeared.
Report Post »If you took a child from birth and indoctrinated him in Christianity but never disciplined him, he would probably grow up to be a brat despite the Christian upbringing. It is proper discipline and teaching at home during our formative years that shapes our morals and ethics.
Anse
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 10:15pm@Quiata
can only speak for myself but “live and let live” is a pretty reasonable way to go about things. it’d be nice if fundamentalists could take a hint.
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Posted on April 4, 2012 at 3:19amSeems like u guys will believe just about anything but the bible…. ever have an honest non pissed off convo with a true believer? A Convo where u ask questions and listen to the answers? Try it. Drop your closed off opinion and have a listen.
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Posted on April 4, 2012 at 6:52am@Face
Report Post »You‘re the one going around saying that atheists look like Christians externally but that they have moral shortcomings because they don’t believe in god, so why don’t you take your own advise and drop YOUR holier than thou attitude and stop being so angry.
Also, i‘ve noticed that you don’t have much to say about all of the angry Christians who post here. You know, the ones that are saying that atheists are bad people and that atheists have no morals.
Git-R-Done started this by saying “Atheists don’t have any morals”. That is a disgusting thing to say about an entire group of people. Where is your outrage over that? All we are doing is replying to an ignorant attack by an ignorant person; a person, i might add, that you are defending. Congrats on being a total jerk!
Quiata
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 7:43am@ANSE and DISSENTNOW “My morals come from my sense of humanity and our shared human experience.” Well, that’s all nice and warm and fuzzy and laudable, but you seem to have left out a huge portion of the history of human behavior in which to cherry pick the virtues that fit with the culture you’re currently in…. (more)
Report Post »Mr._Proud_Conservative
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 8:13am@Anse, Encinom, DissentNow:
I do believe you are misrepresenting Git-R-Done’s claim. He did not state “Atheists don’t have any morals” as you try to insinuate DissentNow by taking only half of his quote, he said “Atheists don’t have any morals that are based on anything.”. As you can see it is one complete sentence and thus should be kept in context.
Now onto the actual argument of Git-R-Done’s claim, which you partly answered. You say you get your morals from humanity and shared human experience, but not to long ago humanity was ok with forced slavery and women not having equal rights. Was that morality ok back then since humanity didn’t see it as wrong? Who is to say killing someone is wrong, the majority?
Also, as much as I enjoy you three rambling about how the bible says this and that, without providing verses to back it up, I would rather you hurry up and google them, as you have no doubt been waiting to do, so I can actually respond.
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Posted on April 4, 2012 at 10:55amHa. Cool your jets.
I’m not trying to hate on ya.
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Posted on April 4, 2012 at 11:05amCongrats on being a total jerk!….
Are you a woman?
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Posted on April 4, 2012 at 5:58pm@ANSE & DISSENT
Report Post »You didn’t address my second question, and that is how would an atheist society (in the absence of a unifying set of behavior strictures or mandates) maintain its course? How could you prevent the Darwinian aspect of mankind from taking over? In your eyes why SHOULDN’T nature (the bad as well as the good) take its course, warts and all?
dissentnow
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 8:42pm@Mr
OK, there is such a big difference between “Atheists don’t have any morals that are based on anything.” and “Atheists don’t have any morals”. Even in context, Git-r-done is still saying that atheist have no morals. You’re really grasping at straws to make that point. Keep trying.
“but not to long ago humanity was ok with forced slavery and women not having equal rights. Was that morality ok back then since humanity didn’t see it as wrong? Who is to say killing someone is wrong, the majority?”
That’s true but in both cases ( slavery and womens rights ) religion, at one point, was used to justify those horrible institutions.
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Posted on April 4, 2012 at 8:57pm“Also, as much as I enjoy you three rambling about how the bible says this and that, without providing verses to back it up, I would rather you hurry up and google them, as you have no doubt been waiting to do, so I can actually respond”
I’m not about to “google them”. If you don‘t know the above mentioned verses then you don’t really know your bible, which isn’t surprising because a lot of Christians tend to gloss over the really evil and disgusting parts of the bible and, even worse, they make excuses for how evil and cruel god is.
Report Post »Mr._Proud_Conservative
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 10:23pm@DissentNow:
I‘m not grasping at straws I’m stating facts. Git-R-Done stated “Atheists don’t have any morals that are based on anything.” you said he stated this “Atheists don’t have any morals”. I’m just trying to keep everyone here honest, what’s wrong with that? Are you saying that it is impossible for me to believe that you have morals, while also believing they aren’t based on anything? Not that I do, I believe they are based on something, just not something absolute.
Pointing to religion and saying “well they did it too” does not make humanity any more reliable, it just shows that it corrupted religion since God doesn’t change, people who try to interpret it do.
Let me get this straight, you can say this “I also get my morals from the bible and, as a result, i like nothing more than murdering entire villages ( men, women, and infants ) and raping their underaged virgin girls.”, and then when I ask you to substantiate it, all you have to do is insult my knowledge of the Bible as well as most Christians and you magically win the argument? How about you find the verses you’re talking about, or stop making claims you refuse to back up.
How hard is it to say go look in Numbers and then give me a chapter and a verse?
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Posted on April 5, 2012 at 12:20amI‘m glad we’re all letting it out here. anyone’s mind changed yet?
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Posted on April 5, 2012 at 7:10am@Mr.
“Atheists don’t have any morals that are based on anything.”
No matter how you try to bend this, saying that atheists don’t have any morals that are based on anything is still saying that atheists have no morals. You can‘t have morals that aren’t based on anything. Your morals have to be based on something or some kind of foundation. I’ve shared how my morality comes from my sense of humanity. Therefore, my morality comes from something. You are trying to explain away Git-R-Done’s comments. As someone that has read many of Git-R-Done’s posts, Git-R-Done does not give complex answers.
“Pointing to religion and saying “well they did it too” does not make humanity any more reliable, it just shows that it corrupted religion since God doesn’t change, people who try to interpret it do”.
You’re right, god doesn’t change. The bible is a record of god’s cruelty that will remain for all to read. Selling your daughter into slavery, murdering infants, commanding men to rape virigin girls after they murdered their families. God doesn’t change. Society changes. We aren’t the barabaric savages that exisited during the creation of the bible. We are civilized. We have gone through periods of enlightenment. Our country has a secular constitution. That is what separates us from most of the middle east. There has been no enlightenment period in the middle east. They are stuck in the bronze age. Society has changed; the world has changed. But their god h
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Posted on April 6, 2012 at 4:11amTo use an example… weren’t Hitlers morals based on his sense of humanity??
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Posted on April 6, 2012 at 4:27amAlso, just because you are offended by something someone says doesn’t; mean what they say is false. If someone calls a fat person fat… they are still fat no matter how offended they are. You morality is founded on what u deem to be correct. I bet that has changed as you have grow older. I bet u chose not to do things now that you did when you were younger.
Your morality is not base on an unchanging truth.
You can be offended. I’d rather u not be…. but its how the logic plays out. Sorry.
Report Post »Mr._Proud_Conservative
Posted on April 6, 2012 at 11:01am@DissentNow:
You say you can‘t have morals unless they’re based or founded on something and you say that your morals are based on humanity. Well humanity is constantly changing and has no foundation or basis for it’s morals, but I do believe people have “rules or habits of conduct with reference to standards of right and wrong” A.K.A. morals, they’re are just not based or founded in anything.
I mean, If I say I believe killing is wrong because I base my morality on humanity, but then say I believe abortion is ok based on that same humanity-based morality, while someone else believes neither is ok based on humanity’s morality, who is right?
Also, there is only so much I can take of you making accusations without backing them up, since I can’t even argue any of it. I mean if I were to say you have no right to tell people what is moral since your a murderer and a rapist, then you ask me to prove it and I just say “Oh you, don’t play dumb” and then accuse you of also stealing, how does that make me right?
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Posted on April 7, 2012 at 6:49am@Face
Report Post »Hitler was a devout occultist with roman-catholic leanings who wrote about his lord and savior, Jesus Christ. I don’t see how he fits into a discussion about atheism.
dissentnow
Posted on April 7, 2012 at 7:15am@Mr
Numbers31:15-18
Report Post »“Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the LORD in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the LORD’s people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
dissentnow
Posted on April 7, 2012 at 7:17am1Samuel15:1-9
Samuel said to Saul, “I am the one the LORD sent to anoint you king over his people Israel; so listen now to the message from the LORD. 2 This is what the LORD Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”
4 So Saul summoned the men and mustered them at Telaim—two hundred thousand foot soldiers and ten thousand from Judah. 5 Saul went to the city of Amalek and set an ambush in the ravine. 6 Then he said to the Kenites, “Go away, leave the Amalekites so that I do not destroy you along with them; for you showed kindness to all the Israelites when they came up out of Egypt.” So the Kenites moved away from the Amalekites.
7 Then Saul attacked the Amalekites all the way from Havilah to Shur, near the eastern border of Egypt. 8 He took Agag king of the Amalekites alive, and all his people he totally destroyed with the sword. 9 But Saul and the army spared Agag and the best of the sheep and cattle, the fat calves[b] and lambs—everything that was good. These they were unwilling to destroy completely, but everything that was despised and weak they totally destroyed.
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Posted on April 7, 2012 at 7:23am@MR
Report Post »I gave you 2 examples, as you asked for. I can keep going if you’d like?
Can you justify killing children and raping young girls?
lukerw
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 7:44pmI’ll keep my various Editions and Interpretations, Hebrew, Greek, Latin & English, of the Bible!
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 7:51pmWon’t happen.. the Christians are children of Yah and they know it.. pornography..drugs and the occult are the gateway for demons to enter..It is good that they are interacting with Christians.. it is a chance for some to meet their Creator.We should be praying for these atheists..and for the strength and safety of these called upon Christians. ..
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