Atheists & Agnostics Sue to Stop Texas Governor’s Day of Prayer
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AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — A group of atheists and agnostics filed a federal lawsuit on Wednesday seeking to stop an evangelical Christian prayer event next month that was proposed and is endorsed by Texas’ governor.
The Freedom from Religion Foundation argues in its lawsuit filed in Houston that Republican Gov. Rick Perry’s day of prayer and fasting would violate the constitutional ban on the government endorsing a religion. The event, which is called The Response and is billed as Christian-only, is scheduled for Aug. 6 at Houston’s Reliant Stadium.
The complaint alleges Perry violated the First Amendment’s establishment clause by organizing, promoting and participating in the event.
“The answers for America‘s problems won’t be found on our knees or in heaven, but by using our brains, our reason and in compassionate action,” said Dan Barker, a co-director of the foundation. “Gov. Perry’s distasteful use of his civil office to plan and dictate a religious course of action to `all citizens’ is deeply offensive to many citizens, as well as to our secular form of government.”
The group, which unsuccessfully sued to stop a national day of prayer earlier this year, filed the case on behalf of 700 members in Texas and called on the court to stop Perry from participating in the meeting or using his office to promote or recognize it.
Perry held a conference call with ministers who will be participating in the event on Wednesday, according to his spokeswoman, Catherine Frazier. She did not have any details on what was discussed, but said the lawsuit will not change Perry’s plans.
“He believes it will serve as an important opportunity for Americans to gather together and pray to God, seeking his wisdom and guidance as our nation navigates the challenges before it.” Frazier said.
A spokesman for the event, Eric Bearse, dismissed the foundation’s claims.
“This kind of legal harassment is no surprise, but we will vigorously defend the right of Americans to assemble and pray and we will win,” he said.
Perry invited the Obama administration, the nation’s governors and Texas lawmakers to attend the event.
“Given the trials that beset our nation and world, from the global economic downturn to natural disasters, the lingering danger of terrorism and continued debasement of our culture, I believe it is time to convene the leaders from each of our United States in a day of prayer and fasting, like that described in the book of Joel,” Perry said in his open invitation to attend the event on June 3.
The event is being sponsored by several evangelical Christian groups, including the American Family Association, which has been criticized by civil rights groups for promoting anti-homosexual and anti-Islamic positions on the roughly 200 radio stations it operates.
The foundation said it does not oppose politicians taking part in religious services, but that Perry crossed a line by initiating the event, using his position as governor to endorse and promote it and by using his official website to link to the organizer’s website. The plaintiffs also contend that Perry‘s use of Texas’ official state seal to endorse the event and his plans to issue an official proclamation violate the Constitution.
An appellate court in April dismissed the group’s previous lawsuit against the Obama administration over the National Day of Prayer, on which people of all faiths were invited to take part. The three-judge panel ruled that the group could not prove that they had suffered any harm when the president issued a proclamation observing the day.
In the lawsuit against Perry, the foundation complained that it had suffered from Perry‘s official promotion of the event because a major billboard company denied the group’s attempt to purchase advertising in the Houston area to protest the event.
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Gonzo
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 8:49amWhen they all end up in hell, will they sue God? Can”t sue the judge atheists.
Report Post »let us prey
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 9:10amYeah gonzo. They are a bunch of meat heads.
Report Post »AzDebi
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 9:20amOh how far we have fallen! I remember back when the Apollo 13 mission was in trouble and Congress issued a “Day of Prayer” for the mission…AND…when the crew actually set foot back on the ground and had arrived home safely, the entire crowd (news media, officials, families, etc.) STOPPED, bowed their heads and gave a PUBLIC prayer of Thanks to God…I remember watching it on live TV and my family bowed our heads in prayer as well…When the bottom falls out, and IT WILL…they will all be running around screaming, out of control asking, “Where’d it go wrong?”…We will just shake our heads in disgust and then WE will show them the way back…IF THERE IS A WAY BACK!
Report Post »TomFerrari
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 10:00amPreaching to the choir here, but,
The Constitution of these United States protects RELIGION from the government – it does not, and clearly did not intend to, protect people FROM religion!
Secondly, the Constitution restricts CONGRESS from forming a NATIONAL RELIGION. I understand there were states who sought to endorse certain religions at that time, if so, the founders even understood and intended to allow, individual states to form official religions! wow!
With the knowledge of such desires, it would have been VERY simple for them to write it into our Constitution to prohibit states from such actions… but they did NOT.
This whole PC crap has gone TOO FAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »MontanaRob
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 10:43amThey can’t sue God, all the attorneys are in hell!
One or two of the super churches down there should organize to go to the next meeting of this group, surround the place and pray quietly for their souls. Ten or fifteen thousand peaceful folks surrounding a few hundred of them might give a few of the members pause.
Report Post »enemy of the statist
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 12:15pmTo protest or object to this event no matter what religion you do or not subscribe to makes one out to be lower than a loser. That anyone can see harm and not good come out of such a gathering indicates a twisted mind. To spend one’s time and energy to combat this is analogous to combatting good. That would make one evil.
Report Post »RAISINGCONSERVATIVES
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 12:19pmYa know…if they don’t want to pray, then don’t pray. But we are protected by the Constitution to be able to pray if we want to. Christians around the country need to stand up against this kind of attack on our moral compass. We are one nation under GOD, and in GOD we trust.! There is a reason that those exact words are included on our currancy and in our pledge. They have turned our God fearing nation into a modern day Sodom. If we do nothing then we deserve the wrath that God will surely bestow upon us. Let us stand united in God!
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 12:50pmHey I’m an agnostic/atheist… If people want to pray and convince themselves they‘re connecting to some mythological supernatural thing it’s their freedom to do so… Too many atheists misinterpret our concept of separation of church and state..I don’t understand why they turn this into a fight.. If you don‘t want to pray with the simpletons then don’t… I don’t, I have a functional brain.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 1:48pm@cesium…I responded to your latest lame attempts to justify your racist theory of evolution…I mean really is that the best you can do?? LOL
you prove you’re a democrat, easily led and uneducated.
Report Post »William
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 1:53pmCan he sue the athiests and agnostics. He has the Freedom of Religion. He is the Govenor and he wants a day of prayer fine. The left gets confused it’s Seperation of church and state not Church from State. So, if he wants a day of prayer fine, if he wants to say a prayer before a speech fine. Maybe if the Atheists and Agnostics stopped infringing on everyone elses right to belive in god the world would be a better place
Report Post »Marci
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 2:18pmI am sorry agnostics and atheists—you do not get to ABOLISH religion because you do not believe in God. Furthermore, the DAY one of you starts speaking up about Islam and creeping Shariah with the same zeal you attack Christianity, I might believe your goal is really against religion. Either way, you do not have a right to freedom FROM religion. You have a right to not believe, not be forced to participate, and a right to voice your concerns. You do NOT have a special right that takes away the rights of others. Why do atheists make a religion of destroying religion?
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 2:28pmYes joe, I’d love to send you more information to further educate you about why you are the uneducated one, but the problem is I can only post these hasty comments and do not have the time to provide you specific information myself.. I’m in a lab all day trying to finish my Ph.D thesis and I need to do my own research rather than showing you the wealth of evidence for evolution occurring right in front of our eyes… I don’t buy into that macro micro BS either.. I also already sent you references to two books that provide more references lists for evolution evidence.. I could expand that list but I kept it simple for you… Like I said it is no surprise to me that you are a fan of Gould, a lot of creationists quote mined him, just like they have Einstein in trying to prove he was a man of god but he was not! I assume since you’re so much more educated on the subject than I am, you at least have a masters degree in something related to biology. If you are not a biologist, or biological theorist with a degree for that purpose, then you are a joke to me.
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 2:40pmAnd it’s so unspeakably ignorant you would continue to call me a racist because I acknowledge the evidence for evolution. If I were alive in 1940′s europe I would be in a concentration camp! Why would I be a social darwinist!!!?! Social darwinism is something Darwin himself would have vehemently opposed! read section “the decent of man” It’s all I have time for right now.. I am not going to keep rooting around on the internet for you… you can do prove me right yourself
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joe1234
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 2:45pm@cesium..you are working oh a Ph.D??? LOL oh SURE YOU ARE!! BWAHAHAHHAHAHAH given the level of english in your posts…and your pathetically lame attempts to defend your racist savior darwin, I can’t believe you graduated from high school.
‘quote mining’ oh you mean quotes that evolutionists are uncomfortable with because it casts their beloved racist atheist fairy tale of evolution in a bad light…and they are unable to refute. Seriously all you have done is post darwiniac talking points…your shallow understanding of your own theory is just laughable….I doubt you have even taken bio 101.
oh and actually I do have a MS degree…though not in biology…but I don’t need that to make you look foolish, you do that to yourself with every post…talk about a joke, you have no idea.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 2:48pm@cesium…yeah evolution is a racist theory…the truth hurts doesn’t it? here‘s your racist savior’s quote again…tell me where its inaccurate…you cannot…you ‘sir’ are a LIAR. ie a typical darwiniac…show some guts, list the lower races your savior was talking about…
Report Post »“The more civilized so-called Caucasian races have beaten the Turkish hollow in the struggle for existence. Looking to the world at no very distant date, what an endless number of the lower races will have been eliminated by the higher civilised races throughout the world.” (Darwin, Charles R. [English naturalist and founder of the modern theory of evolution], “The Life of Charles Darwin”, [1902], Senate: London, 1995, reprint, p.64).
joe1234
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 2:50pmcesium…darwin was a social darwinists…he knew damned good and well what his theories meant…his cousin Galton founded the eugenics movement….
Thirdly, Darwin prepared the way for eugenics. Indeed, his immediate family would soon be involved in that movement — his sons George and Leonard became active in promoting it (Leonard serving as “president of the Eugenics Education Society, the main eugenics group in Great Britain”), and his cousin Francis Galton became the founder of the “eugenics crusade.” Evidently, Darwin was sympathetic to eugenics: West quotes him as vowing “to cut off communication” with his disciple Mivart when the latter “criticized an article by Darwin’s son George that advocated eugenics.”
link
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 2:54pm@cesium…and here’s another famous darwiniac…
Watson is credited with discovering the double helix along with Maurice Wilkins and Francis Crick in 1962.
In the newspaper interview, he said there was no reason to think that races which had grown up in separate geographical locations should have evolved identically. He went on to say that although he hoped everyone was equal, “people who have to deal with black employees find this not true”.
what he said is racist as hell…and straight from evolutionary theory…ie the theory itself is racist.
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 3:12pmStop reposting your same stupid quotes on darwin.. What gould said about people using evolution to justify racism is true!!! Yes there are bigots in this world that would twist it that way after darwin’s death!! I can’t believe i have to spell that out for you.. Yes I am a Ph.D student. Molecular cell Biology and Genetics. Obviously I made it past highschool you twit! Understanding homology and evolution is necessary to accomplish our goals in understanding the cell and advancing medicine. Even the few god worshiping biologists I know agree with evolution!… and they have had to reconcile that for themselves after they had become educated about the facts that built evolutionary theory!!! It just becomes obvious to you when you study molecular biology!!! you would see it too if you did but you don’t!! It just makes me laugh at you..!! My english on here is poor because old habits die hard and I paraphrase and use run on sentences and I don’t really care about that.. got it?! I’m not tryin to right a book here capice? You‘re whole problem is you havn’t seen the evidence for it and I have… We molecular biologists routinely take humans gene sequences and splice them into flys for example. The conserved genes of similar function compliment function, the divergent genes of similar function in the respective species don’t compliment function! They have diverged too much!! Research this for yourself!!!
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 3:21pmand I am quite aware of what Watson said! That is just bigotry and has no place in darwinism. Not surprised to hear from someone who goes down the road of academic elitism… plenty of them in academics.. I see it for myself… but your using examples of certain bigoted individuals or post darwin eugenics, does not convince me that darwin himself was a racist. I have already read enough on that subject so I don’t need to rely on one out of context quote by darwin.. you just look foolish.. go ahead, read up on the subject on charles darwin as a racist. then you can go bury your face back into your bible and tell yourself it’s all true and convince yourself a dead jew 2000 years ago has love for you…
Report Post »bigjack940
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 3:59pmIn reply to GONZO You sure have hit the nail squarely on the haed here my friend. I only wish I could be present at there judgement, when they face god, and find out just how wrong they’ve been all this time.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 4:04pm@cesium…again your prove what a liar you are…gould didn’t say ” people using evolution to justify racism is true!!!”
he said the following:
“Biological arguments for racism may have been common before 1859, but they increased by orders of magnitude following the acceptance of evolutionary theory.” Stephen Jay Gould,
1.Stephen Jay Gould, Ontogeny and Phylogeny (Cambridge, Mass: Harvard University Press, 1977), p. 127.
and he said it because evolution is inherently racist…..not that people use it….. you can’t even keep your lies straight….
as far as you knowing anything about science…your reaction to the study I posted in that other thread prove you are a liar. saying that evolution was less likely in the lab…LOL when the study said it was MORE likely….you are totally clueless.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 4:06pm@cesium: again you’re a liar..I posted nothing out of context…post your proof put up or shut up…but you can’t. Watson‘s racism is derived from the theory of evolution hell you don’t even know your own theory you say you love so…what a buffoon…
you’re also an anti-semite…can’t wait to see the look on your face when you see that very much alive jew named Jesus…when you tell Him you are your own savior….but then you won’t be able to say a word….you’ll be too terrified….
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 4:35pmHow can I be an anti-semite when I’m an israel defending jew!?!? and Don’t try to discredit my judaism with my agnosticism. It something a christian who just believes everything their told cannot understand..so how am i a liar? Gould merely stated a truth!! I agree with what he says on evolution and racism!! Obviously!!! What does that have to do with the existence of evolution?! Any racists who becomes privy to evolution will obviously use that! Duh!!!!!
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 4:37pmWhy do you keep using Gould?!?! HE IS AN EVOLUTIONIST!!! HE’S ON MY SIDE!!! HE DOESN’T LIKE PEOLE LIKE YOU!!!!!
Report Post »“I am both angry at and amused by the creationists; but mostly I am deeply sad. Sad for many reasons. Sad because so many people who respond to creationist appeals are troubled for the right reason, but venting their anger at the wrong target. It is true that scientists have often been dogmatic and elitist. It is true that we have often allowed the white-coated, advertising image to represent us—”Scientists say that Brand X cures bunions ten times faster than…” We have not fought it adequately because we derive benefits from appearing as a new priesthood. It is also true that faceless and bureaucratic state power intrudes more and more into our lives and removes choices that should belong to individuals and communities. I can understand that school curricula, imposed from above and without local input, might be seen as one more insult on all these grounds. But the culprit is not, and cannot be, evolution or any other fact of the natural world. Identify and fight our legitimate enemies by all means, but we are not among them.”
-Stephen J. Gould !!!!!!!!
joe1234
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 9:14pm@cesium..so now you’re a jew…as well as a PhD candidate….sure…if we were talking about the military I‘m sure you’d be a member of seal team 6…you “are good for a few laughs though…
quote “It something a christian who just believes everything their told cannot understand..”
oh yeah PhD candidate write like this ALL THE TIME!! LOL hey gomer….its THEY’RE, not ‘their’ I mean seriously you could not have gotten through any college class with english like this…and you ell me you’re going to write a dissertation?? BWAHAHAHHAH oh man you are a hoot!!
as far as being a liar, you accused me of quote mining….misquoting and lying……but you are unable to back up your assertions…which makes you a liar….
it is ironic if you are a jew…you support a theory that Hitler just loved…and used to justify the holocaust….how does it feel to be such an ignorant tool? notice how hitler used the word ‘struggle’ in his book, just like darwin.
and gomer, racists can use evolution beause its INHERENTLY RACIST…thats why hitler, sanger, et al, used it….get a clue.
Report Post »Rayblue
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 9:14pmDarwin was the Algore of the 1800′s.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 9:22pmcesium: you do know Gould is dead, right? I use his quotes becaue he is honest about the inherent racism in evolution…and as a paleontologist, (ie a fossil expert) he was honest enough to admit the gradual sequences that evolution says happened do NOT exist in the fossil record. thus punctuated equilibrium…which basically says the animals evolved too fast to leave fossils…right….puncuated equilibrium…special creation……you say potato I say putato…same thing.
I have quite a few more references other than gould…I used one of them, that study on fruit flies…which left you sputtering and confused…your statement that evolution was more likely in the wild was just laughable….anyone who knows anything about science knows that results in the lab are more likely to show results (on any given experiment) than in the real world, because the conditions are ideal for whatever experiment you are setting up….the author of the experiment uses intelligent design to control the environment…
gould may be saddened by creationists, but like dawkins he lost every argument with them…people like dawkins pz meyers, et al, are nothing more than atheist evangelists preaching their faith in the bloodthirsty racist god of evolution, darwin…because thats all evolution is, faith.
for example, you cannot list the mutations that led to the eye, yet you believe it evolved….its called faith.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 10:30pmhere’s a bit more about eyes
New Fossils Demonstrate That Powerful Eyes Evolved in a Twinkling
ScienceDaily (June 30, 2011) — Palaeontologists have uncovered half-a-billion-year-old fossils demonstrating that primitive animals had excellent vision. An international team led by scientists from the South Australian Museum and the University of Adelaide found the exquisite fossils, which look like squashed eyes from a recently swatted fly.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/06/110629132546.htm
complexity appears suddenly without transition…darwinism is falsified…the cambrian explosion is confirmed….and the best explanation is intelligent design….
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 15, 2011 at 1:00am@joeschmo… Thanks grammar Nazi. Give yourself a pat on the back for using my grammar mistakes against me. For your(sp?) information most of the comments I leave are in haste; In between lab experiments. I certainly know the difference between “they’re“ and ”their.” Good job with that! You get a star! A complex (insect) eye 500 million years ago is still 3 billion years into the making!!! I don’t think you understand how long 1 billion years is! And you don’t understand how difficult it is to find transitional fossils. Fossils only form under the most perfect conditions!! Racism is not inherent in evolution!! If you deny there(is that spelled ok for ya?) are biological differences between human races you’re(sp?) a fool! (which you easily prove with every comment) Medically we know different races have different predispositions for genetic disease. ie. Blacks sickle cell, Jews Tay Sach’s. I guess by telling you that fact I am racist but they are important medical considerations. Distinct populations of people in the world have distinct small nucleotide polymophisms. Some SNPs linked to greater penetrance of specific diseases. The fact that there is variation in races does not make evolution inherently racist. Just asinine!! You are so hopeful there is a supernatural force you have convinced yourself of things you know nothing about. At least I admit I don’t know a god exists. Lack of fossil is not evidence for intelligent design. Just wishful thinking for believer
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 15, 2011 at 1:34am@schmo And what you said concerning laboratory experimentation being “Ideal” compared to nature is a perfect example as to why I am a scientist and you are not! Scientists go out of their way to recapitulate natural conditions in a lab, but we all know as scientists, that is one of the greatest challenges to accomplish! One of our most limiting problems! There‘s no way we know everything about a fruit fly’s habitat and its natural conditions outside of confinement. Lab conditions are unnatural to any animal model we use. PERIOD! We’re still trying to parse out the in vivo tumor environment from the in vitro tumor environment… for decades. It’s quite different! As my advisor refers to this concept the best “the big lab” ie, 3.5 billion years of nature/wild. – in response to a question I had concerning a fungal derived compound’s specificity to a highly conserved intracellular enzymatic target I study. Oh and don’t ever question my Jewish heritage fool. …Back to your self-satisfying assumptions about intelligent design. You are just so so so so ignorant about what Gould was saying regarding racism and evolution. You totally missed it. It’s a social concern for scientists is what he is talking about! He is not demonizing the fact of evolution or Darwin! Your masters is probably in English which is why checking my grammar is the best you can do. You’re useless in building human knowledge. Go teach spelling.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 15, 2011 at 9:00am3 billion years in the making, what BS….ever hear of the cambrian explosion??? there weren’t any complex animals before that…and then *poof* there they are….oh yeah they ‘evolved’…sure…too fast to leave any fossils…LOL sure….
evolution is fast when it wants to be…slow when it needs to be, it makes giraffes tall, and pygmys smal…evolution is all in all PRAISE DARWIN… your faith is just laughable.
as far as grammar…in order to get a degree you have to be able to elucidate and communicate…and given your grammer skills….your claims are so much BS. Add to that your incredibly shallow understanding of science, and it shows that you’re just a poser.
oh please we have more fossils than we know what do do with…scattered all over the world…they don‘t usually form you’re right…it takes something like a great FLOOD to create so many fossils.
its painfully obvious that nothing will disprove evolution to you…which makes it a FAITH…not science…if it can’t be disproven, then its faith…and you keep babbling about time…but you’ve just proven that evolution is nothing more than faith.
quote “If you deny there(is that spelled ok for ya?) are biological differences between human races you’re(sp?) a fool! ”
thanks for proving you’re a racist…and illustrating the INHERENT RACISM in evolution….just like watson’s racist comment…derived from evolution….according to your racist theory..then one race must be ‘mo
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 15, 2011 at 9:07am@loser (ie cesium) I question your jewish heritage..and if you are jewish you have betrayed your heritage by supporting a theory that was used to justify the holocaust…..your ‘scientifc’ credentials…your intelligence…everything about you…and its so much fun doing it.
its rather obvious you don’t know anything about a lab….experiments are designed to reduce the number of variables…which increases their likelihood of success….oh and you use INTELLIGENT DESIGN in these experiments to limit the number of variables…unlike the wild…so your chances of success are higher in the lab than in uncontrolled conditions…if you knew anything about science you would know that….your idiotic drivel proves you’re an uneducated buffoon.
your appeals to time just prove that evolution is faith…you can’t see it, you can’t duplicate it…but you have FAITH if just given enough time…laughable.
you are unable to counter any of my points, you have no links to support your position…except from wikipedia…LOL what a loser.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 15, 2011 at 9:13am@cesium: according to evolution…one race must be ‘more evolved’ than other…thus darwin‘s quote about ’lower races’ which you don;’t have the guts to list for me…and this comment from watson…
Watson is credited with discovering the double helix along with Maurice Wilkins and Francis Crick in 1962.
In the newspaper interview, he said there was no reason to think that races which had grown up in separate geographical locations should have evolved identically. He went on to say that although he hoped everyone was equal, “people who have to deal with black employees find this not true”.
this is evolutionary racism…which you just confimed…and this is from the textbook at the heart of the scopes ‘monkey trial’
George William Hunter’s A Civic Biology: Presented in Problems (1914)
“At the present time there exist upon the earth five races or varieties of man, each very different from the other in instincts, social customs, and, to an extent, in structure. These are the Ethiopian or ne gro type, originating in Africa; the Malay or brown race, from the islands of the Pacific; the American Indian; the Mongolian or yellow race, including the natives of China, Japan, and the Eskimos; and finally, the highest type of all, the Caucasians, represented by the civilized white inhabitants of Europe and America.”
evolutionary RACISM
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 15, 2011 at 9:16am@cesium…oh and why is anything ‘conserved’ I thought evolution was all about change…
that evolution sho is clever knowing what to ‘conserve’ and what to change ain’t it? shazam!!!
Report Post »freeus
Posted on July 15, 2011 at 10:39amYou go Gov. Perry. This law-suit and Group’s actions are assaults on Christianity, which is the foundation for our government. In turn this is an assault against the Constitution. Throw this case out, again!
Report Post »An AmericanMom
Posted on July 15, 2011 at 10:41amTell these Jokers…..just to not clean their ears for a couple day….then the wax will impair their hearing of the prayers! What cry babies!
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 15, 2011 at 11:25am@ Joe you are so clueless about how evolution works. It‘s no surprise you don’t understand what “conserved” means in an algorithmic process such as evolution. Some genes have been quite successful in the animal kingdom across all species and others are more unique to a particular species. You can still find variation (due to mutation) between different species of that same gene. As long as a crystal seed can result in a replication of configuration without a mind in front of it, so too can complexity build upon that.
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 15, 2011 at 11:41am@ joe… I also pulled your little fly paper out of Pub med.. It’s hilarious that a google search, shows all the first hits to be creationist websites rushing to say “See!“ ”See! “case closed” straight from the article.. what I SAID. Laboratory evolution
“…experiments typically expose populations to novel environments in
which focal traits respond quickly and then plateau at some new value
(compare with refs 13, 18).
I READ THIS PAPER! it is a very limited study asking a specific question… You said they controlled for environment? THEY DID NOT!!! No where in this study did I see them expose these flys for all this time to say UV radiation to induce error prone dna repair mechanisms… NO where in this study did I see them include the milieu of virus insult that species battle with in the wild… This study was a simple question as to weather in a CLEAN environment.. FLYS IN A LAB DO NOT BATTLE FOR SURVIVAL… The question in this experiment started in 1970s, before we knew much at all about DNA repair errors, was not going to all of a sudden change their course of action.. It‘s a simple experiment to ask if it’s possible in a lab.. You are really out of your league. you really really are
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 15, 2011 at 11:46am@joe.. And I answered you’re black moth ignorance in the other article thread… You don’t know how evolution works. You prove it constantly
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 15, 2011 at 11:51am@ joe.. and don’t correct me on the grammar and spelling, I typed all that extremely hastily in about 25 seconds so I could get back to my work… don’t need to hear about it!! If you don’t get the point, it‘s cause you’re stupid… sorry
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 15, 2011 at 2:30pm@cesium…..in other words you don’t know why some genes are conserved and others change..other than ‘they work fine’ uh huh just proving again that evolution is meaningless drivel…its fast…no its slow…‘survival of the fittest’ how do you know its fit? its survives…a meaningless tautology is all it is.
and comparing crystals to the complex ordered encoded INFORMATION in living animals just shows how PROFOUNDLY IGNORANT you are….damn it must hurt to be so stupid…pathetic.
oh and you’re a liar…they did control the environment OBVIOUSLY…anytime you do an experiment in the lab you control the environment….here is what they said:
Despite decades of sustained selection in relatively small, sexually reproducing laboratory populations, selection did not lead to the fixation of newly arising unconditionally advantageous alleles. This is notable because in wild populations we expect the strength of natural selection to be less intense and the environment unlikely to remain constant for ~600 generations. Consequently, the probability of fixation in wild populations should be even lower than its likelihood in these experiments. This suggests that selection does not readily expunge genetic variation in sexual populations, a finding which in turn should motivate efforts to discover why this is seemingly the case.
35 years…600 generations…in human terms it would be 24000 years…and nothing…zero zip nada…just faith in evolution
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 15, 2011 at 2:37pm@cesium…lets see you post all your examples of evolution in the wild or in the lab…whats that, you can’t?? LOL no surprise….you’re a minor leaguer boy. I enjoy making you look stupid gomer…you inability to respond to my points about anything means you’ve conceded the debate….loser. evoluiton doesn’t exist, and the theory is racist as hell.
why don‘t you evolve somehting since you’re such a brilliant PhD student *snicker* go ahead…prove your theory…just because no one else has been able to prove evolution in the last 150 years…go ahead…take a bacteria and evolve it into a multi-cellular animal…you can even name it!! LOL but you can’t, and no one else can…because there is no evolution…
as far as the peppered moths….that thread has dropped off the front page…not going to waste my time looking for it…your peppered moths don’t show evolution….as I proved…I’m sure you have some wikipedia article for me…ROFL…what a buffoon.
tell ya what, why don’t you list the mutations that led to the eye, IN ORDER…go ahead…and then explain how male and female managed to evolve at the same time…that evolution sho is clever ain’t it gomer??? LOL
you‘re too stupid to know how stupid I’ve made you look.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 15, 2011 at 2:43pm@cesium…and I know you don’t have the intellectual ability to understand that quote from the study…but they are saying that evolution is LESS likely in the wild…your ignorance is stunning…
This is notable because in wild populations we expect the strength of natural selection to be less intense and the environment unlikely to remain constant for ~600 generations. Consequently, the probability of fixation in wild populations should be even lower than its likelihood in these experiments.
Report Post »SLAPTHELEFT
Posted on July 15, 2011 at 3:30pmThese atheists are truly cowards. They say nothing about muslims. FYI atheists- you will be the first group exterminated by islam and the ACLU wont be there to save you.
God doesnt believe in atheists. You are preparing your own downfall and when we are all gone you’ll have no one to turn to. Best of luck to you cowards.
Report Post »SLAPTHELEFT
Posted on July 15, 2011 at 3:38pm@cesium
Just looked at the Constitution(again)- (still)no seperation between church and state. Could you be so kind as to show me where that is? Maybe i’m a simpleton but I thought I could read. While I appreciate your comment I cant help but notice your error.
I did see that there is a right of religion and a right to abstain from religion. But your recollection is fantasy. No offense intended- I wont call you names as you have so artfully done. But those who wish to trample on my freedoms by creating a “seperation between church and state” phrase seem to be uninformed of the fact that the actual right was intended to keep the govt out of the church, not the church out of govt.
Hey, didnt pelosi say that they needed to get into the churches? Where is the seperation between church and state?
Report Post »SLAPTHELEFT
Posted on July 15, 2011 at 3:40pmRock on Rick Perry, All God fearing Texans, and God.
No amount of litigation will stop us from praying, worshipping, or loving and defending our Freedom.
Report Post »SLAPTHELEFT
Posted on July 15, 2011 at 3:42pm@ geez Cesium.
Read rules for radicals much? Why all the name calling and arrogance? You have got some seriously low self esteem. Get a girlfriend or something- let that pressure out man!
If its adulation you desire go somewhere else. Why are the good people of the Blaze even wasting time with this genius?
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 15, 2011 at 4:20pm@slap,I have a girlfriend.she is an atheist and a better person than many many religious people in the history of this world. Honestly you want to know why I sound upset? I have terrible health problems that are destorying my life. I end up on blaze sometimes ranting on here to the frustration of ignorance of blaze commenters. I grew up a religious jew… I hear all this BS from religious people who claim to have an understanding of god. i know the delusion, I lived it myself! I find it fun to vent on the ignoramuses on here who claim to have knowledge of things we humans in all actually don’t know! I am a fiscal conservative and a defender of the constitution with all my being… If you want to pray, that is your freedom, but I‘m not going to just let peoples’ inane opinions about god existing self satisfy themselves without me commenting, It’s way too fun!..It’s constant on here. Especially morons who deny evolution as a fact! I want a more rational world that realizes. we are all in this “life” boat together.we don’t know why. we may never know, but assuming the plight of man is directed or willed by a god that a certain religion teaches, means people are living in falshood. The lie is saying “oh I know the truth about god” The truth is saying “I really don’t know, yet I am part of this universe somehow” Man is a liar. I understand the innate allure of religion, and feeling, and spirit that led to the stories. It still doesn’t indicate that the god of abrah
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 15, 2011 at 4:32pm@ joe.. you missed what I said about retroviral insult, and inducing instances of error prone DNA repair mechanisms they did not do in this study or even discuss. … If you are correct about 24,000 year equivalent, that is like a blip in time to say 500,000,000 years… You are concluding that from this particular in lab fly experiment looking for SNP fixation events in 600k generations that evolution is false? The authors certainly don’t acknowledge that… Your conclusion about evolution based off this one study is mornonic… I showed you the bacterial study which put forth so many more generations in less time and there was mutational changes from that! You really don’t understand the scale of time. 24000 years of human existence.. I would expect it to be verily difficult to find mutations in a human from 24000 years ago compared to now.. How can you conclude evolution doesn’t exist based on that?
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 15, 2011 at 4:52pm@moron… You question my jewish heritage? just like that huh? would you bet your life and the life of your mother that if you put hebrew in front of me that I couldn’t read it? I can write quite well I assure you… My typo laden hasty postings on here are no indication of my writing ability.. I don’t take much time to throw these words on here… I don’t have faith in evolution.! It’s not about faith! you just don’t get it!! you are running on faith that evolution is false when there is a wealth of evidence! you want so bad for there to be a god and intelligent design you cannot consider there is a real chance evolution is true. LIke I said, lack of proof for fossils is not evidence for a creator.. Maybe there is an intelligent designer maybe htere isn’t… the problem is you claim to have certainty on this!! Read “The Greatest Show on Earth” I dare you!!! And check the scientific references in that book!!! I never said all the details of evolution have been proved regarding speed but rapid selection is certainly possible. We have no capacity to observe 3 billion years of single cell to a “quick” (55 million year) multi-cell evolution..Do you understand how long 55 million years is?? you miss everything because you don’t understand how long those time frames are… 55 million years is the explosion time frame.. 55,000,000. We cannot test that!! Because we can’t test it,, you say its false.. very smart of you.. yet the peppered moth trait within a few years of s
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 15, 2011 at 5:08pm@joe tard… here’s your thread http://www.theblaze.com/stories/kansas-city-christian-church-has-been-praying-worshipping-247-for-more-than-12-years/
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 15, 2011 at 7:57pm@cesium… no they didn’t do anything with a retrovirus…SO WHAT???? like most of the drivel you spout, its meaningless…yeah those poor researchers…too bad they didn’t have you to advise them…right…laughable. why don’t you write them, I’m sure they could use a good laugh!!
your appeal to deep time is just laughable and shows your evolution is nothing more than faith…I mean seriously there is nothing in all that time that shows evolution…the fossil record doesn’t show it evolution at all it shows sudden appearance…ie CREATION…get a clue…you are seriously stupid…too bad for you evolution isn’t true, you really need to evolve some intellect.
ya got nothing to back up evolution…you have offered no examples…your peppered moths are laughable thats not evolution…you can’t reverse evolution….you don’t even know the theory you bow down to…LOL
have you started your experiment to prove your faith of evolution yet?? no answer about the eye I see, no explanation about the evolution of the sexes…no surprises…cause ya got NOTHING boy.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 15, 2011 at 8:01pm@clown…of course lack of evidence doesn’t bother you darwiniacs…because its all FAITH in your racist hairy god of evolution…darwin….
Dawkins…that atheist evangelist…oh please he’s a moron…did you see the way he got pwned in expelled?? LOL he just ducked an debate with a prominent christian apologist…because he knows he’d be made a fool out of…just like PZ meyers a loudmouthed moron…what was the last peer-reviewed paper either of those bozos published…hmmmm??
your appeals to time are just laughable…ya got nothing.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 15, 2011 at 8:08pm@brain-damaged…I saw the drivel you posted on the othe thread…I’ve seen some stupid stuff before from darwiniacs…(they’re not very bright as you have proven once again) but this takes the cake..
quote “EVOLUTION IS A FACT BECAUSE CANCER EXISTS”
thats insane…get some professional help…that is some seriously stupid sh**…wow.
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 15, 2011 at 10:28pm@joe.. Dawkins didn’t get pwnd in expelled at all! granted Ben Stein may know something about economics but in expelled it‘s clear Stein wasn’t listening to what dawkins said and then edited in an very erroneus conlusion he made up himself!!! Dawkins gave an hypothetical and he was consistent about it.. Voicing over an interview in your own movie does not mean he gets to “pwn” ..Dawkins never admitted to intelligent design as ben says! Ben wasn’t listening! Dawkins is a renowned zoologist. calling him an evangelist? Even as brainwashed as you are, I dare you to read Dawkins “The Greatest Show on Earth” I especially dare you to read his “The God Delusion,“ Jim Carrols ”Constantine’s Sword“ and Dennets ”Darwins Dangerious Idea” where he thoroughly discusses Gould… Just because Dennet is not a paleontologist/biologist does not mean he is not suited to explain evolution… Much of Dennets book is a compilation of references, many of them are Gould’s amongst many many other scientists. So, If you’re so certain of your knowledge on god and evolution you should be able to read all those books cover to cover, (like I did) check the references, and not be swayed one bit.. I FING dare you to!
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 15, 2011 at 10:42pm@ yea ok… I responded to your hilarious disbelief about evolution and cancer in the other thread. Neoplastic selection is a basic understanding in medical/graduate school. Tumors progress by evolutionary selection processes!! All the parameters for that are complex and I’m not going to get into listing them. If I’m insane on that, then every cancer researcher on the planet is insane too and you are the authority on cancer. What do you know about the molecular biology of cancer? I passed my prelims and my qualifier for molec. cell.!
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 16, 2011 at 10:30am@cesium…its gotten to the point of casting pearls before swine…no one in their right mind thinks cancer proves evolution is true…take off the tin-foil and get back on your meds…your responses are idiotic, they make no sense…you are a liar, you’re not a PhD candidate…its painfully obvious.
you are a complete and utter ass. ie a typical uneducated easily darwiniac…
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 16, 2011 at 10:40amoh one other thing, pawn…evolution is useless for science, even coyne admits that. so no cancer researcher thinks cancer proves evolution, or uses evolution in their research…as skell says….
In 1942, Nobel Laureate Ernst Chain wrote that his discovery of penicillin (with Howard Florey and Alexander Fleming) and the development of bacterial resistance to that antibiotic owed nothing to Darwin‘s and Alfred Russel Wallace’s evolutionary theories.
The same can be said about a variety of other 20th-century findings: the discovery of the structure of the double helix; the characterization of the ribosome; the mapping of genomes; research on medications and drug reactions; improvements in food production and sanitation; new surgeries; and other developments.
Additionally, I have queried biologists working in areas where one might have thought the Darwinian paradigm could guide research, such as the emergence of resistance to antibiotics and pesticides. Here, as elsewhere, I learned that evolutionary theory provides no guidance when it comes to choosing the experimental designs. Rather, after the breakthrough discoveries, it is brought in as a narrative gloss.
http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/23/evolution-creation-debate-biology-opinions-contributors_darwin.html
you’re nothing more than a darwiniac parrot…..spewing the same old lies and BS…that racist eugenicist theory of evoluiton is on the ash heap of history. get a clue jacka**
Report Post »SamIamTwo
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 8:32amThe clowns are a bunch of BS hypocrites. Me, I believe in freedom of religion even if your religion is atheism. Enuff already on the attack of Christians.
I know these clowns will support the Muslim agenda cause it goes against the Christians and Jews.
These people are haters. If you don’t believe like them they will blow you up with legal system, not bombs. Terrorists of a different color.
Report Post »dealer@678
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 8:38amThese cowards would never try this if islam were involved. Because they would have their head handed to them. Literally
Report Post »fastfacts
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 8:40amI AM A CHRISTIAN AND AM SHOCKED AT IDIOT ATHEISTS, BUT…
There are many great atheists who stand by their christian neighbors, such as this one that raised money for a church: http://url2it.com/frjd
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 8:41amI agree
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“The answers for America‘s problems won’t be found on our knees or in heaven, but by using our brains, our reason and in compassionate action,”
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They are just trying to replace one set of beliefs with another.
fightingforfreedom
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 8:56amya know the freedom of speech I do believe works both ways or am I wrong. what I want the courts to do is say this. “everyone has right to do what they wish, as long as it doesn‘t physically hurt or destroy someone else’s property.” further more if you do not like what someone else is saying, praying, doing, walk away. we ALL have the same rights that our young men and women are dying for and have died for. so treat people like you would like to be treated. I truly tired of the 1% of this country getting the grease……time to get it back to where it was
Report Post »Gigi4
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 9:19amYou are right on target!
Report Post »walkwithme1966
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 11:08amWow – you people are a trip – the pot calling the kettle black!!! http://wp.me/pYLB7-19j
Report Post »woodyl1011fl
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 8:20am.We are watching BHO‘s democrat party’s support groups hatred for Christianity brought out into the open. the core value of that party, is hate, envy, pride and unlimited hubris against everything not in accord with Marxist totalitarianism. Democrats are the Bolsheviks of this time. California just sent another one to congres
Report Post »dealer@678
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 8:33amIt wont work in Texas. You watch
Report Post »vennoye
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 2:05pmdealer@678
Report Post »No, it won’t work in Texas. Watched a news program with DOUG STRINGER the other day. His ministry is one of the coordinators of the event. Rick Perry endorsed the event, but it is NOT a political event. They have known this was coming and have prepared for it.
What the Atheists and Agnostics did with their lawsuit will increase participation at least threefold!!
Can’t understand why people just do NOT understand Texans….we are really not complicated!!
Here is one of the ministries involved: http://www.somebodycares.org/
Looks pretty offensive doesn’t it???????????? :-) lol!!
jk47thezealot
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 8:19amThe funny thing that I find about all these stories is the gross perversion of the first amendment. So please, for the sake of us “stupid, racist, ignorant, Christians”, please tell us exactly what LAW congress is creating that is respecting an establishemnt of religion? “Congress shall make no laws respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free excercise there of” READ THE LAW YOU GOONS!!! You are prohibiting an AMERICAN from their “Pursuit of happieness”. That makes you not only bigots, but now you are looking more like slave owners. GET SCHOOLED.
Report Post »agameofthrones
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 10:22amAmen to that. And tell me how a prayer before anything ever did any harm? If you don’t believe, just be quiet out of respect. That is something sadly lacking in our entitlement, I’m offended society. Grow up and put your big boy pants on and stop trying to make the Constitution mean what it doesn’t say. The wording and meaning are very clear, and so…………you have no case.
Report Post »joey59
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 8:18amThe stumbling block for these types of organizations continues to be, that while the government “makes no law respecting the of establishment of religion”, neither the government nor this country has ever been secular, whose (one of) definition is : Of or relating to the doctrine that rejects religion and religious considerations.
Report Post »binge_thinker
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 9:26pmThese atheists are so sad. They are among the most vile haters I’ve ever heard, yet they accuse the religious right of being such
Hypocrisy much?
Report Post »LadyLibertykicksASS
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 8:18amI would just go ahead and hold it and deal with what ever comes down…….what are they going to do??? Wag their finger in Gov. Perry’s face, “Naughty, Naughty!” Time to stand up.
Report Post »JamesR
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 8:17amI sure hope Texas Law is expensive. The state might just as well take a chunk of change from the agnostics and atheists and perhaps that might cool their jets some. The trouble with agnostics and atheists is they still don’t know if they should believe or not and that just galls them to no end.
Report Post »ares338
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 8:15amMy main problem with Liberals? They are allowed to breathe.
Report Post »Alvin691
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 8:05amYou can tell they are liberals. Remember, when conservatives don‘t like something they simply don’t do it. When a liberal doesn’t like something they will try to have it stopped by protest, lawsuit, threats of violence, violence, or murder.
Report Post »lobster
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 8:18amI can’t understand why these anti-God dufusses can’t realize they already have a holiday, April 1 every year. Talk about the tail wagging the dog…
Report Post »Alvin691
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 7:56amThe Freedom from Religion Foundation is about to be on the receiving end of an embarrassing defeat. That particular part of the constitution applies to the federal govt, not state govt. Precedent even exists. Unless they get a liberal judge that will hear this.
Report Post »bcop
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 8:03amWho cares who they get to hear this case. Do it anyway. We are not afraid and we will not be intimidated.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 7:56amagain the fascist atheists reveal their true colors…freedom for them, but not for anyone else…the answer to our problems sure won’t be found in bowing down to their racist god darwin.
Report Post »binge_thinker
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 9:31pmAmen.
Report Post »Danola
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 7:44amPut a cross on your front lawn! If you do not know about this, start spreading the word.
Report Post »True story. http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion
CatB
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 7:46amWhere is the “tolerance” … ??? Why do they so FEAR others practicing what they believe?
Report Post »beckwasfox
Posted on July 15, 2011 at 12:59pmThank you for sharing that link. That’s an inspiring story.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 7:32amAlright BLAZE, and Jonathon M. Seidl, I challenge you to show where this event is “billed as Christian-only”. I looked at their sight and there wasn’t a single mention that I could find of Christian or Christianity. It mentions Jesus once, in the same way a Muslim or Jew might, as one who prayed and fasted.
Where did you get that characterization? From media critics, maybe?
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 7:40amoops, I just saw that this was an AP story, which explains the biased writing.
Report Post »Alvin691
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 7:53amPwned
Report Post »awizard
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 9:23am@Islesfordian; I noticed that too “Christian only” …. Then I thought about it and realized it was a “shot” at Christians, in my world anyone can attend a Christian event, you just have to show up to be welcome. Atheist, Agnostic, Jew, Buddhist, even Muslim, and on and on Anyone. The only requirement is you need to be civil while there. That is part of the glory of God he’ll except any who wish to hear his word, and except him …
I’m by far not a “Bible Banger” but I have my faith, and stand by it …
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 7:32amNo, let him do it, then take him down by associating him with the crazy rantings of all his endorsing pastors like the Oprah is a harbinger of the Antichrist guy and the God sent Hitler as a hunter to drive the Jews back to Israel guy and the Statue of Liberty is a demonic idol guy and the blackbirds are dying in Arkansas because gays are allowed to serve in the military lady!
Report Post »Tyr
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 9:59amLet’s not forget the Westboro Baptist Church or those other great, famous Christians from history like David Koresh and Jim Jones. I love the line in the article “The answers for America‘s problems won’t be found on our knees or in heaven, but by using our brains, our reason and in compassionate action”.
Report Post »I would like to add to that “The answers for America‘s problems won’t be found on our knees or in heaven, but by using our our right to bear arms, the fact that the United States belongs to the people, not the government, and we are millions…..and they are few” If you think that praying is going to change the hearts of a bunch of Socialist/Marxist bent on destroying our country, our way of life and our Constitution then pray away. Just make sure you have a loaded rifle laying next to your Bible because they soon will be coming for both of them!
agameofthrones
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 10:25amYep, what you guys said. Prayer in one hand, pistol in the other. Divine justice & the other kind. We call that – The Dynamic Duo.
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 4:56pmTyr
Report Post »The Westboro Baptist Church and the other cults you mention are not associated with this event. The people I quoted really are, and that’s bad enough. While I have obviously quoted them out of context, you can all go to the videotape and see that I have not mischaracterixed their statements. I can’t help thinking that talking about Second Amendment solutions to our problems is an admission of failure and stupidity. Better men than us have found First Amendment solutions to equally serious problems in the past.
binge_thinker
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 9:36pmThe Westboro Goons are a DEMOCRAT led outfit from the top on down.
AL gore loves them.
Report Post »http://www.lcrga.com/news/Fred-Phelps-Al-Gore-Westboro-Baptist-Church-God-Hates-****/200010251159.shtml
FedUpWithLeft
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 7:28amHere we go again they stupid progressive trying to take our rights from us. You see what you’ve started you stupid progressives, believe me I know you don’t care. Put your hands over your ears if you don’t like it. Why do we keep having to give up our rights for you?
Report Post »enduro
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 7:37amIt is time for the Majority of Americans to take back your country. I urge you to join your local Tea Party. If you don’t have one start one. I am tired of the minority and special interest dictating how i should live my life.
Report Post »Obama_Sham
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 7:28amI’m agnostic, but this is completely retarded… What happened to live and let live?!? If Texans want to have a day of prayer, then so be it… As long as people are not forced in to praying, this radical group that is disguising itself as an athiest/agnostic group should make a date with a glass of water and and a bottle of cyanide pills…
Report Post »jedi.kep
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 7:25amI am so sick of these dirtbags demanding restrictions on the free exercise of religion! If they hate religion so bad, China would love to have them live there!
Report Post »lane829
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 9:35amForcing someone to abstain from their belifes is just as bad as forcing peple to participate in yours.
Report Post »It seems the non religion types have picked up on all those nasty tactics they previously denounced.
lol.
frankr77
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 7:24amGreat job Governor Perry. This foundation just does not understand the constitution.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 7:23amSounds like a perfect battle to fight out states’ right over. Let a federal judge try to stop a prayer rally in Texas.
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 7:19amthose who do not believe in God just continue to do the wrong things. all the great minds on the planet will not fix what is wrong without returning to the God of the founders.
Report Post »QC Ghost
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 7:18amBut yet, Government supports art work claiming our Governors are Nazis. Check out this piece of cra…, er ‘art’: http://qcghost.blogspot.com/2011/07/taxpayer-funded-exhibit-equates.html
Report Post »CatB
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 7:48amYes .. I am going to go up there and see what they have to say about that “little exhibit” to MY FACE!
TEA!
Report Post »RIGHTHOOK
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 7:17am“The answers for America‘s problems won’t be found on our knees or in heaven, but by using our brains, our reason and in compassionate action,” said Dan Barker
Could not be further from the truth and I am not what you would label as a “Bible Thumper” by any stretch of the imagination. Nonetheless there is ironclad, historical data that prayer has validity and brings positive results. At least I choose that avenue. Everyone has their right to head down any path they choose. Just don’t impose what you insist is the correct way on me.
Report Post »On Eagle Wings
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 11:52pm“The answers for America‘s problems won’t be found on our knees or in heaven, but by using our brains, our reason and in compassionate action,” said Dan Barker
That is the stupidist statement I have heard….today! Do you not understand that these words:
Report Post »“If My people, who are called by My name, shall humble themselves and pray, and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from Heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land” 2Chron 7:14…….notice The Lord said, If MY people, which rules out agnostics and aitheists….so it is OUR mandate as christians, do not worry what they will do because it dont matter how they yap like little yorkies, we have a job to do and God will honor OUR efforts….
CHRISTIANNATION
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 7:15amI think they should read the first amendment and realize that only CONGRESS is prohibited from passes laws that dictate a specific religion.
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 7:45amEven if Courts hadn’t long ago ruled that the Fourteenth Amendment extended the protections of the Bill of Rights to all levels of government, the Texas State Constitution, like just about all state constitutions specifically reaffirms them.
Sec. 6. FREEDOM OF WORSHIP. All men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their own consciences. No man shall be compelled to attend, erect or support any place of worship, or to maintain any ministry against his consent. No human authority ought, in any case whatever, to control or interfere with the rights of conscience in matters of religion, and NO PREFERENCE SHALL EVER BE GIVEN BY LAW TO ANY RELIGIOUS SOCIETY OR MODE OF WORSHIP. But it shall be the duty of the Legislature to pass such laws as may be necessary to protect equally every religious denomination in the peaceable enjoyment of its own mode of public worship.
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 7:50amThat being said, I’m not claiming that there’s anything unconstitutional about this event, as long as the State isn’t paying for it.
Report Post »awizard
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 8:39am@chet; Eh, the state isn’t paying for it … You really should read the article, and then maybe your own response, your own post explains why there is no problem with this event … Except with the people that want to impose their religion on everyone else … the atheists maybe?..
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 6:07pmawizard
Report Post »I assumed that was the case, though on my first reading I missed the paragraph where it was explicitly stated. Of course, it will probably cost the state something for the Governor’s transportation and security, but unlike people who howl every time the President takes a night off, I recognize this as necessary to ensure that public officials don’t have to give up all their rights as citizens, and a reasonable expenditure when one considers that a Governor or President makes a fraction of the salary of a business CEO for an equally or more stressful job.
Locked
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 7:12am1. He shouldn’t be the one organizing it, especially if it’s billed as Christians-only. He has every right to participate though.
Report Post »2. This group really needs to step back and relax. It’s not hurting anyone. If taxpayer money isn’t being used for it, it’s fine in my book.
poverty.sucks
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 7:11amAll men and women know God exist, skeptics and atheists spend a great deal of time avoiding Him.
Report Post »InversionTheory
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 7:36amActually… I do not know that any gods exist. I’d need some verifiable, empirical evidence. (Hint: The length of time someone has believed something, the words written in a book, and your fiat assertion of truth are all subjective.)
What atheists and agnostics do spend a lot of time avoiding are the religious believers.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 8:00amas far as proof, look around, its not hard to find…you think all this just happened? right. As far as that Book you hate so, its been proven to be true again and again and again…and Israel exists just as the bible foretold 2,500 years ago…the bible has a lot more proof than your racist atheist creation fable of evolution
atheists are obsessed with hating christians…notice how they don’t dare say boo to the muslims though??
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 8:09amIf their premise is true, then why should they care if there is a day of prayer. Sort of like ‘Hello Dolly’, “You go your way, I’ll go mine”. They get their way 364 days out of the year, but they want their way 365 days out of the year. They need to go their way!
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 8:39amThe Christian faith, unlike other faiths, is dependent upon the validity of these historical events. You can’t separate Christianity from history. If you do you wind up with a subjective, convoluted messy psychology really, not religion. Christianity depends on the absolute and total validity of the historical events of Scripture. Because that is so, it immediately involves anyone who is a Christian, at least in the 20th century, or who has been a Christian from the 19th century on, in a massive problem, because on every front the Scripture is being opposed. The entire world view of our time is oriented basically against the Scripture. The Scripture is nothing more than a sweet religious story to the world at large.
Assume that one and only one people have the truth, we’re a democracy here, we believe everybody has the truth, the global village, so how dare a Christian get up and say that only one subset of the human race has been given the truth. It turns out that is literally not what the Bible is saying but that’s the caricature. When we look at creation and the fall we are creating these as historical events that were observed by God and observed by men, and reported as historic events in Scripture. These are not speculations; they are not projections of the Hebrew imagination in the Ancient Near East. These are historical events that actually occurred.
Report Post »Because they did occur, it turns out that we have certain implications. When we loo
poverty.sucks
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 8:54amBecause they did occur, it turns out that we have certain implications. When we look at the two options on creation, we have one major difference, one big partition. If you can lump all of the other cosmologies in the world basically they go on this side, with the exceptions where you have these little strange tribal phenomena that occur on practically every continent where missionaries will go in where no missionaries have gone before, and they will find little remnants and pieces of the truth of Genesis. It’s very surprising and the secular anthropologist really doesn’t have too much of an answer for this one, because believing in evolution as he does and believing the Bible was just sort of created in the imagination of a few Jews in the Ancient Near East, he can’t figure out why these other tribes in other continents of other races have these pieces. There has been all kinds of explanations that it’s somehow deep depth psychology or something. But we know the answer, the answer is very simple, all the tribes have come from Noah and Noah’s sons, so they all had the truth at one time, it’s just dropped out through the sinful mind, the carnal mind, which is at enmity with God, can’t be submissive to God, therefore it works subliminally to distort and pervert the truth. So you have perversions of the truth all over the human race.
Report Post »lisa2994
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 10:12amSure doesn’t seem like you are avoiding anything seeing how you guys are always on the attack!
Report Post »lisa2994
Posted on July 14, 2011 at 10:14amSure doesn’t seem like you are avoiding anything seeing how you guys are always on the attack!
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