Atheists Angry After PA Officials Refuse to Host ‘Holiday’ Tree of Knowledge
- Posted on November 30, 2011 at 1:25pm by
Billy Hallowell
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In 2010, atheists formed a human "Tree of Knowledge" (Image Credit: Daily Local News)
Atheists are less-than-pleased following Chester County, Pennsylvania’s refusal to allow a “holiday” Tree of Knowledge on the county’s courthouse lawn. This is the second year in a row that officials have denied the request.
Last month, Margaret Downey, the group’s president and founder, wrote a letter — complete with 350 signatures from supporters — to Chester County commissioners asking for permission to place the tree on government grounds. Last week, local leaders told Downey that she and her group would not be able to do so.
According to the Daily Local News, the atheist tree was allowed from 2007 until 2009. Rather than using Christmas ornaments, non-believers would decorate the “Tree of Knowledge” with their favorite “non-theistic” book sleeves.
In a 2010 vote, the county decided to stop allowing holiday displays from various groups, with local leaders pledging to create and maintain a festive display of their own. According to the Daily:
The county display last year included Santa in a sleigh, a toy train, banners proclaiming “Peace on Earth” and “Seasons Greetings,” and a wreath honoring military service members, as well as a traditional creche and a menorah.
The county’s refusal to allow the tree is creating angst among non-believers. ”We just want our citizenship to be recognized and the community to understand our diversity,” Downey explains. “We cannot possibly be represented by a Santa and candy canes like we’re children…They finally figured out a way of keeping us out.”
On December 3, the Freethought Society is calling for a rally to protest against what its leaders see as an injustice. Last year, supporters came together at the courthouse to form a “human Tree of Knowledge” in protest of the county’s decision to forbid their tree.
A similar event is planned for this upcoming week, with speeches, songs, photo ops and a news conference. Here‘s an ad that’s currently present on the group’s web site:
The non-believers will sing such holiday tunes as, “You Gotta Fight the Battle Between Church and State” — apparently an uplifting song for atheists during the Christmas season.
“We want people to see that it’s a symbol accepted by the non-theist community and it’s used and recognized everywhere,” says Downey. ”We won’t be disregarded as an outspoken minority.”
The Freethought Society is associated with the Freedom from Religion Foundation and, according to Downey, the group, which was founded in 1990, has 2,000 supporters across the nation.
(H/T: Daily Local News)
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usmc1063
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 2:02pmI’m so sick and tired of Atheist trying to destroy Christian Theology when 83% of Americans have a Christian belief and 70% believe in the divine power of God. But nooooo you just have to destroy Christmas and Christianity. If you are so defined on destroying something why don’t you go after the religion of peace and love Islam? I’m sure that they would welcome you with open and loving arms. Especially when they are celibrating one of their holidays.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 3:51pmIslam has more in common with Xstianity here, plus I hear there are no gay people there. Women are forced to make babies and be quiet when a man speaks, and naughty children are stoned to death, just like they are supposed to be in the Bible. It is a Xtian’s paradise. You want a theocracy, you should go there yourself.
Report Post »chickenfried
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 11:40pmOh great, the cornhole atheist is on the prowl.
It‘s hard to be in the foxhole when you’re a REMF, right cornhole? Tomorrow we might let you participate in a live fire exercise, with real bullets and everything. May God bless you and keep you and make His face to shine upon you and give you peace.
Report Post »momofspawn50
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 12:37amVery well said USMC….in fact, why don’t they just ignore OUR holiday altogether and have one of their own and call it whatever they like, it won’t offend ME…I promise!!!
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 1:00amMost Atheists I have ever met are a little off in the head so it’s understandable what happened here. But they should never take this as a sign that they are NOT being allowed to believe what they want to believe. Most folks don’t give a Rats rear-end what Atheists believe.
scarebear83
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 5:04amI don‘t celebrate Ramadan nor am I offended if I’m left out of it’s observance.
I don‘t celebrate Hanukkah nor am I offended if I’m left out of it’s observance.
I don‘t celebrate the Duanwu Festival nor am I offended if I’m left out of it’s observance.
So why are atheists upset that they aren‘t included in the observance of something they don’t believe in?
Tea Party Animal
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 8:51amHey Foxholeatheist….what is “Xstianity” ??? Never seen that word before in an English dictionary. Are you afraid to write the word CHRIST. Little bit of a guilty conscience perhaps?
Report Post »Timothy_Reid
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 10:54am@foxhole I’m curious as to why you are all so offended by this holiday which has it basis in thology? If you don’t believe in it, don’t celebrate it. Since the US Supreme Court has ruled that Atheism is a religion, what are your major religious holidays? I don‘t know what they are cause I don’t celebrate them, neither do I bereate them. You get to practice your religion in the open, why can’t we?
Report Post »sharbian
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:04pmThere is really only one group left in this country that is openly ridiculed, subjected to mockery and prejudiced against without reproach – it the Atheist. While I hate seeing people like foxhole, who IS NOT representative of 99% of Atheists, overflow with such aggression towards people of faith, I also hate seeing the vial hatred that comes from may believers too. I hate been spit at… LITERALLY… because someone found out that I do not believe in a God. But, please remember, we are good people too. I have a son that I love and I teach him right from wrong. I have principle and a morality. I may get it from an other place than you, but that does not make me evil. The protesters in this story are trying to make a point – that worldly reality should be celebrated above other-worldly faith. They MAY have a point but should respect the traditions of others. We have all year to make our points… and I think not being A**H***s is probably a better way to do it… Foxhole!
Report Post »sharbian
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:11pmOne more comment… I am a quiet Atheist. I cringe when I see someone wear it on their sleeve as loudly as FOXHOLEATHEIST. I mean, come on… I am Atheist because is does not meld with my philosophy and do not see it as relevant. You seem to not be one, not because you’re trying to rational and consistent, but because you are looking for conflict and in the process you are damaging the image of absolutely everyone who is Atheist. Chill out, buddy.
Report Post »scarebear83
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 4:24pmSharbian, I‘m sorry that you’ve been spit on and other things. I‘ve come to find that if you’re an atheist or if you‘re a Christian you will be discriminated against and it’s usually by those who don’t practice what they preach. But I will pray for you and hope that maybe one day you will come to know the God of the Bible.
Report Post »sharbian
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 8:09pmScarebear, it is that kind of attitude that angers many Atheist and drives them to protest things they shouldn’t. You’ll pray for me… Can you hear the condescension in that? I can understand someone humbly praying for someone but to announce it to their face?? Ask yourself, “why do I feel like I should let him KNOW I’m going to pray for him?”. What it say’s is, “I am better than you and I will use that power to influence God to save you”. You are thinking your just being sweet, but your not to me. To me you’re a pompous, condescending jerk. I’m sure you are not really, but just be aware that is SEEMS that way.
Report Post »scarebear83
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 10:06pmSharbian, I’m sorry if that came out different for you than how it was intended. I wasn’t trying to be “righteous” or a jerk. I just wanted to let you know that I care for you and I thought highly enough of you to tell you I wanted to pray for you. It’s not a gesture of “I’m holier than thou” but yes I can see how some people would misinterpret it that way. But just remember, if someone says they’ll be praying for you, take it as a gesture of kindness, not one of condescension. The person cares about you enough to let you know you’re in their thoughts.
Report Post »historyforgotten
Posted on December 2, 2011 at 5:04amThe Christmas Tree is of course a Pagan Idol, that Early Catholics incorporated into their Religion.
Report Post »Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, Even Worshipping on Sunday(the First Day) instead of Saturday(the Day of Rest).
Eating of the Body, and Drinking of the Blood was Practiced since Ancient Egyptian Times, with Bread and Water/Bread and Wine.
The Birth of Jesus/The Winter Solstice…even though Jesus was Born in the fall…the Sun/Son was Born at the Solstice.
Pseudo-Christians are upset, because Pagans simply Practice the same Holidays under Different Names.
So What. A Follow of Jesus isn’t Full of Hate and Fears. They are full of Love and Forgiveness.
breckyn
Posted on December 2, 2011 at 11:53amits cause 83% of you are wrong! And Chickenfried, I was on the frontline and am an Athiest, has nothing to do with religion….you talk about REMFs, your not even in the service
Report Post »wopette
Posted on December 2, 2011 at 12:55pmIgnore foxhole atheist, his ignorance seems to know no bounds…
People like him that whine for tolerance of his “non belief” which is in fact a belief system of it’s own, are usually the same ones who demand that all religions be outlawed in order for them to feel more secure in their lack of actual knowledge. They claim themselves to be the more intellectually and morally superior, while keeping their minds and hearts completely closed off to the notion that they may not be “all there is”….Nothing more than hypocritical ignorance and arrogance all rolled into one.
Report Post »SayNoToTeaBaggers
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 4:47amwe dont want to destroy anything, just want to treat everyone the same.
Report Post »qzak491
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 2:02pmSounds like these idiots have already been eating of the tree on knowledge, with the same resuslts as Eve had. No wonder they are so stupid.
Evil is still here and bad as ever, we must crush it’s head like the snake it is.
Report Post »NoRoomForSocialismHere
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 2:22pmAmen “Q”
Report Post »They must be from the nutty pine tree family.
Atheists are void of knowledge and wisdom thus no way to have understanding
Obama Snake Oil Co
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 2:26pmOk folks, I have had it. If you company uses Happy Holidays, you are boycotted by me and my family. When I hear someone say Holiday Tree…think about his….what holiday is it? There is Thanksgiving, Indpendence Day…those are holidays. Now can you tell us what Holiday it is? Now I am celebrating Christmas….not holidays….Christmas and if you wish not to participate Christmas, I suggest you don’t celebrate Christmas. Now if you advertise you have gifts for Christmas, since it is a holiday I participate in, I will be shopping at your store. If again, you are celebrating holidays….well, there is a lot of holidays out there and its not specific enough, that could be anything. So with that said, Merry Christmas and have a Happy New Year! If you are athesist Have a Happy Ice Water day in hell….
Report Post »Emrys
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 2:51pmLet the atheists create their own holiday and leave ours alone. Of course, the term they use can‘t be ’holiday,‘ which is ’holy day’ smashed into one word. So I don‘t know what they’ll call it, but leave our day alone. Hey, wait! They have Earth Day! That does seem to be the god they worship, the planet and nature and natural selection, as least that’s how all of the animal planet shows talk about evolution and natural selection, as if it‘s something conscious that’s making decisions and changing its own genetic code to evolve. Just listen to how they refer to it, with terms like “nature will find a way,“ or ”life will find a way.” They know nothing of the spirit of Christmas, so why would they care if they‘re ’represented’ by candy canes? Some people have too much time on their hands.
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 3:00pmI love how Atheists continue trying to remove or replace something they don’t believe exists…!!???!!!???
CatB
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 3:22pmAthiests are ALWAYS angry it’s who they are … officials need to stop pandering to them!
TEA!
carbonated
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 3:28pmre: Emrys: “Let the atheists create their own holiday…”
They already have one – April 1.
KickinBack
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 3:30pmThe freetinkers, just like classic liberals, will whine and cry when they don’t get their way. The town voted not to have their little tree, and so now they go and protest.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 3:46pmSo, Kickinbeck, you’re so afraid of the Muslims taking over, how are you going to feel when you are the minority and can’t put up a Xmas tree in your own home let alone say something about it in public? Won’t you be the minority? Why should they care to cater to your own fantastical beliefs? Hypocrite.
AOL_REFUGEE
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 4:19pmWhat they CAN be represented by is a dung heap.
Report Post »LibertarianForLife
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 5:19pmSays the group of people who believe that god’s way of saving us is sending a human sacrafice to bronze age Palestine haha. The invisible and the imaginary sure do look a lot alike by the way.
Report Post »Devil Dog 7175
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 7:02pmScrew em… Go hold your own “tree” whatever somewhere else…We still enjoy Christmas.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:30pmCome on now people… they just got a massive 350 signitures all they want is a “tree of knowledge”…. they are a mockery to God… what they really need is a brain of understanding….. they can have the world and they ask for a tree !!!
Report Post »I say give them December 35th for “their” holiday….. their free thinkers with enough kwowledge to fill a tree, they otta be able to figure something out.
dmcote77
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 9:22amfoxhole – you are free to believe whatever you want in America, and so is everyone else. We should be able to disagree without being disagreeable. I do not have to affirm your beliefs. I am not asking you to affirm mine.
Report Post »sharbian
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:29pmSuch vileness comes out of the mouths of some of you. Why do you hate someone so viciously because they do not beleive in God?? You must know, if you were born in Somalia or India, you would defend THAT God with just as much furvor as you do THIS one. How can you be so certain as to “damn to hell” those you do not agree with? Given, these protestors are sticking their nose into others business, but still…. why hatered? Venom? How about we argue about the role of Government and as to whether or not ANYONE should be having such things on Government property??
Report Post »Whatdoesntkillyou
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 1:59pmLLATPOH You are absolutely correct and I believe that is a large part of why they are such hateful people. They are not the fruit which has fallen from the tree of knowledge. But instead have fallen from the Ugly Tree and hit every branch on the way down. Ouch! Not to be mean or anything. They say they have No belief in anything? That’s just fine, so why do they have to try and destroy others beliefs? Maybe they just need a nap.
Report Post »thegreatcarnac
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 1:59pmAtheist are just more malcontents that use the Christmas season to get attention.We do not care if they do not believe. It is their loss. They will not force their unbelief on me. They are like children who want attention so they get it by being difficult. I do not care about their unbelief. I don’t care if they live or not, much less, of their beliefs. Good for the PA officials.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 2:37pmWait, unless i‘m mistaken did you just say you don’t care whether they live or not?
How loving of you.
Report Post »Watchingtheweasels
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 3:10pmAmazingly, atheists continue to center all their attention on Christmas and Easter. I have yet to see an atheist sponsor an anti-Hinduism BBQ, or an anti-Ramadan feast. In the end, when you look into it, atheism is merely being anti-Jesus.
Report Post »KAdams
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 4:26pm@WTW
You are correct. Everything is antichrist. Everyone(christians excluded) has something bad to say about God and his son, Jesus Christ. Nobody can say anything bad about the demonic entities that are mistaken for other gods(small g). “My people love to have it so” pretty much sums up how God is dealing with humanity. “I will give them over to a reprobate mind” is another. We know what’s going on, and although it saddens us, we realize that God is in control. We can only pray that God allows them to see, so that we can fellowship with our brethren, rather than throwing our pearls to swine.
Report Post »Ethical Atheist
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 7:35pmFirst let me say that I do not agree with the groups views. Christmas celebrations should be left alone and not mixed up with other religions or views. Christmas as a time to love our families friends and neighbors is a wonderful holiday and even though I do not believe in a supreme being, I support its essence.
However the hateful comments on this site are in fact very un-Christian like. Christians are supposed to be tolerant people. I came to my secularism later in life. I am not a liberal, (I voted for McCain), I am not angry, unless you count my feelings about Obama, and I am not ignorant or illiterate. My Christian friends accept me for who I am, and I respect their beliefs as well. So much so, that when we dine in my home, I ask them if they would like to pray. Their prayers do me no harm. My child attends a Christian School as well.
Contrary to some of the people on this site believe, atheists can be just as ethical as anyone else, and yes, just as hateful. To paint all secular people with the same brush is just as intolerant as atheists grouping all religious people as ignorant. It is un- American. I wish all of you peace this day.
Report Post »sharbian
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:31pmYou don’t care if they LIVE or not?
Report Post »SayNoToTeaBaggers
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 5:33amno, we use it to educate ppl like you about the Constitution
Report Post »randy
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 1:58pmBoo freaking Hoo
Report Post »flamegonesilver
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 3:50pm@Randy….ya bet me to the punch!
Report Post »Drum Man
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 1:58pm”We won’t be disregarded as an outspoken minority.”
Too late…
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 1:57pmImagine being such a dolt, getting ANGST over not being allowed a Liberal Knowledge Tree. It would be great to see if they allowed Broke,, or See, I Told You So, or Liberty and Tyranny covers on the All-Inclusive Tree. Or even Common Sense.. Atheist’s can have Feb 31st as their Holiday.
Report Post »beckwasfox
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 3:27pmIt isn’t that Liberals are ignorant. It’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.” -Ronald Reagan
Report Post »Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 1:57pmWhen folks finally have enough,children will be asking,”Dad?Why do we hang atheist from Christmas trees?”
Report Post »KAdams
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 4:28pmIt’s just full circle. The Druids used to decorate their trees with heads, back in the day. How do you think the custom got started?
Report Post »Rayblue
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 4:49pmGoing out on a limb there, kdams…
Report Post »Ceefour
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 1:57pmYep..its quite apparent that these in the picture are atheists aka liberal trouble makers who desire to cause problems with the majority of American Citizens. They are a little less than useless . Do they contrubute anything to society? Do they have soup kitchen for the poor? How bout a home for unwed atheist mothers? I guess not. Just ignore them any maybe they will fade away…
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 3:21pmAtheist Bill Gates is the largest contributor to children’s health charity in the United States and is leaving his entire fortune to his philanthropic works.
Okay, your turn.
Report Post »SpitFU
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 4:21pm“@FoxholeAthiest
“Atheist Bill Gates is the largest contributor to children’s health charity in the United States and is leaving his entire fortune to his philanthropic works.”
Considering he’s worth 56 billion dollars its a drop in the bucket. He continues to increase that amount every year and needs some way of avoiding the tax burden of doing business in the US. Why don’t you look up Christian Charities, and Catholic Charities and don’t base it on the amount of money, but the actual works Christians and Catholics perform all over the world for the impoverished and disadvantaged all in the name of God. I’m not going to belittle his actions as a philanthropist, they are very Christian like, not Atheist. Since Bill Gates hasn’t come out and actually said he is an Atheist, I will reserve judgement on him.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 5:59pmThe question was, do they contribute to society. I’m giving an example.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:33pmHe also “contributes” to abortion with some of “his” money……
Report Post »Timothy_Reid
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 11:02am@foxhole by that logic the only thing you see as contribution is monetary in nature. Isn’t that a little shallow? There is so much more to give than money. On the other side of that coin, congratulations you have one person that is making some difference……what do you do to contribute? How much do you give? Don’t base your argument on something somebody else does that you identify with because you practice the same religion. Or do you know this man personally and are deeply involved with his contributions? If so then I apologize.
Report Post »sharbian
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:35pmI’m more individualist than Liberal… and I’m Atheist. So, you have to at least not ALL Atheists are Libs, right?
Report Post »ZAP
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 1:55pmWe all know what happen to the last people that eat from the tree of knowledge
Report Post »TrishMc
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 1:55pmI live here. I had to watch them put this big, lousy looking holiday tree on the corner, no wait, they placed it as close to the nativity scene as possible in a direct attempt to obscure the creche. Then they hang book titles of myriads of anti-religious books on their tree, in lieu of ornaments.
Report Post »The town of West Chester PA decks the halls beautifully and gets into the Christmas spirit with a lovely parade and evenings of caroling, and in many people’s opinion, this tree cast a pallor over the whole season.
They have every right to put this abomination up, at ANY time of year, but choose to sully a Christmas tradition instead. I am grateful to our commissioners and all involved, who have decided to honor the tradition over this obvious attempt to slap Christianity in the face.
rpa1121
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 2:18pmThe article says “A similar event is planned for this upcoming week, with speeches, songs, photo ops and a news conference.”
Sounds like a perfect time for about a thousand or so members of local churches to get together for some nice Christmas caroling. Peaceful, but loud and joyful. Throw in an Amazing Grace and How Great Thou Art.
I am sick and tired of all the politically correct garbage. Just saying….
Report Post ».
FoxholeAtheist
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 3:39pm“Whaaa. I‘m Trish and I can’t find anything else to whine about so I have to go find someone who doesn’t believe in fairy tales the way I do and complaint that they are too close to me and too close to things I like. People who like to speak their minds and stand up for themselves and what they believe in make me uncomfortable in my own beliefs which is why I had to find a church that taught the gospel within my own comfort level. Whaaa. Whaaa. Whaaa. They don’t believe what I believe and get cross when I try to shove my own skewed view of the world down their throats and then turn around and say they are treading on my rights when they try to push back at me. Whaaa. Whaaa. Whaaa. “
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 3:41pmSo RPA, you’re going to stoop to La Raza tactics to try to drown out everyone but yourself? You had better not complain when they do something like that ever again. Hypocrite.
Report Post »rpa1121
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 4:50pmNot really Fox. Just want people to know the other side is still here. We sit back while some folks to shut down what the country was founded on and we allow it to happen. Atheists are free to pick any time they want to spread there message. But usually it is at Christmas when they get VERY active. Wonder why? Is it really about promoting your idea or just trying to trash and silence us?
But of course, we as Christians are suppose to sit on the side lines and leave them alone. Well, this HYPOCRITE (and I see you use that one a lot, really intimidating as in a true “La Raza” way) doesn’t want to sit by anymore while atheists try and take over the Christmas message. You have Earth day. Go worship your pine tree, each other, you superior brains, or whatever you want on your “holiday” and I will GLADLY leave you alone…
Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; : but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
rpa1121
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 4:56pmoops. That should have been “their message” not “there message”. and “your superior” not “you superior”. Sorry, should have proof read it a little longer. ;o)
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 5:56pmFOXHOLEATHEIST,
I do not think that Trish exhibited one point of WAAAAA in her EXCELLENT, common sense post.
You Hole, on the other hand, are waaaaa waaaaing all over this thread.
Whatsa matter Honey Bunny? Did you have your book jacket all picked out and now you have no place to hang it?
EMRYS had the best idea in an earlier post. Let the big babies(a.k.a. atheists) create their own holiday.
I think YOU Hole should get started right now thinking about that. Consult your fellow non-believers.
Our multicultural, diverse nation is crying out for an Atheist holiday.
I cannot wait to see what you and your fellow non-believers come up with…, metaphysically challenged as you all are.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 6:01pmThis country was founded upon secularism. In fact, that is one of the things that made it unique from other countries at the time. It is a secular experiment that is still ongoing. If it was founded upon the Xtian religion, why is the 10 Commandments not anywhere to be found in the Constitution?
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 6:03pmAll you people do is scream about your rights while trampling upon the rest of us.
Report Post »rpa1121
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 7:06pmLOL. Wow Fox, you have swallowed the “No faith in the founding fathers” from your professors hook, line and sinker, huh? The constitution is how the government will be run. The Declaration of Independence is about WHY it was done.
Just the first few lines show what the founding fathers really believed. Notice the references to the Creator, Natures God, created, etc. I am sure they meant that in the most “atheist” way possible. OK, whatever…
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Report Post »YoungConservativesRule
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 7:14pm@Foxhole Atheist
One Nation under God…
Report Post »FAIL
barnsy
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:23pmFoxholeatheist,im trying to be open to your arguments but the comment about our country being founded on secularism is a joke.You may as well say Castros Cuba was founded on capitalist ideology.Im not a Christian, but I do know this country was based on Judeo-Christian beliefs.Most of the writings by the founding fathers were filled with references to God and religion.
Report Post »45Sentinel
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 9:31pmI live here also. I WILL be voting for every commissioner up for re-election. I’m tired of all this PC. Tolerance is not acceptance, we all need to tolerate one another. That does not mean I accept your belief or you mine. This is what we need to drive home.
Report Post »Timothy_Reid
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 11:08am@foxhole
“Whaaa. I‘m foxhole and I can’t find anything else to whine about so I have to go find someone who doesn’t believe in fairy tales the way I do and complaint that they are too close to me and too close to things I like. People who like to speak their minds and stand up for themselves and what they believe in make me uncomfortable in my own beliefs which is why I had to find a church that taught the gospel within my own comfort level. Whaaa. Whaaa. Whaaa. They don’t believe what I believe and get cross when I try to shove my own skewed view of the world down their throats and then turn around and say they are treading on my rights when they try to push back at me. Whaaa. Whaaa. Whaaa. “
Applies better when put in this light….
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Posted on December 1, 2011 at 11:12am@foxhole
“This country was founded upon secularism. In fact, that is one of the things that made it unique from other countries at the time. It is a secular experiment that is still ongoing. If it was founded upon the Xtian religion, why is the 10 Commandments not anywhere to be found in the Constitution?”
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Lol, no it wasn’t. That‘s the silliest thing I’ve ever heard. Please cite your references.
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Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:38pm@ RPA What the country was founded on?? ——–The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. -John Adams. This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it. -John Adams. The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion. -John Adams. Lighthouses are more helpful than churches.” —Ben Franklin, Poor Richard’s Almanack, 1758 “Ecclesiastical establishments tend to great ignorance and corruption, all of whi…ch facilitate the execution of mischievous projects.” —James Madison, letter to William Bradford, January 1774 “Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise, every expanded prospect.” —James Madison, letter to William Bradford, April 1, 1774 “. . . no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer, on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities.” —Thomas Jefferson. As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and his religion, as he left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see, but I apprehend it h
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Posted on December 1, 2011 at 4:32pmThomas Jefferson – I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ. (The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Albert Ellery Bergh, editor (Washington, D.C.: The Thomas Jefferson Memorial Association, 1904), Vol. XIV, p. 385, to Charles Thomson on January 9, 1816)
John Adams – The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God. (Letter from John Adams to Benjamin Rush, from Quincy, Massachusetts, dated December 21, 1809,)
Ben Franklin – As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and His religion as He left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see (Works of Benjamin Franklin, John Bigelow, editor (New York: G.P. Putnam’s Sons, 1904), p. 185, to Ezra Stiles, March 9, 1790.)
Gunning Bedford – To the triune God – the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost – be ascribed all honor and dominion, forevermore – Amen (Funeral Oration Upon the Death of General George Washington (Wilmington: James Wilson, 1800), p. 18, Evans #36922.)
Hummm. Out of room. Oh well, can always start a new one…
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Posted on December 1, 2011 at 4:37pmJohn Quincy Adams – In the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior. The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity (An Oration Delivered Before the Inhabitants of the Town of Newburyport at Their Request on the Sixty-First Anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1837 (Newburyport: Charles Whipple, 1837), pp. 5-6.)
Josiah Barnett – Called on the people of New Hampshire . . . to confess before God their aggravated transgressions and to implore His pardon and forgiveness through the merits and mediation of Jesus Christ . . . [t]hat the knowledge of the Gospel of Jesus Christ may be made known to all nations, pure and undefiled religion universally prevail, and the earth be fill with the glory of the Lord. (Proclamation for a Day of Fasting and Prayer, March 17, 1792. )
John Dickinson – Rendering thanks to my Creator for my existence and station among His works, for my birth in a country enlightened by the Gospel and enjoying freedom, and for all His other kindnesses, to Him I resign myself, humbly confiding in His goodness and in His mercy through Jesus Christ for the events of eternity (From the Last Will & Testament of John Dickinson, attested March 25, 1808.)
I can go on if you want…
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Posted on December 1, 2011 at 4:48pmOld Ben did have some doubts about Jesus, but not God. The main part of the quote is this:
You desire to know something of my religion. It is the first time I have been questioned upon it. But I do not take your curiosity the wrong way, and will try in a few words to gratify it. Here is my creed: I believe in one God, creator of the universe; that He governs it by his providence; that He ought to be worshipped; that the most acceptable service we can render Him is to do good to his other Children. And that the Soul of Man is immortal, and will be treated with justice in another life respecting its conduct in this.
These I take to be the fundamental principles of all sound religions, and I admire them, as you do, in whatever sect I meet them. As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and his religion, as he left them to us, to be the best the world has ever seen, or is likely to see. But I believe it has received various corrupting changes, and I am in accord with the present dissenters in England in having some doubts regarding Jesus’s divinity: although it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon the opportunity of knowing the truth with less trouble.
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Posted on December 1, 2011 at 5:48pmYour comments are so based on atheist sponsored website that it is unreal. I took one: “This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it. -John Adams.” and checked it. I found the usual progressive crap, take it out of context:
Steven Morris’s Los Angeles Times article, “America’s Unchristian Beginnings” (Steven Morris, “America’s Unchristian Beginnings,” Los Angeles Times, August 3, 1995, p. B-9. ), was loaded with deliberate falsehoods to “prove” America’s Founders were purely secular. For instance, concerning John Adams, Morris claimed:
Late in life, he wrote, “Twenty times in the course of my late reading have I been upon the point of breaking out, ‘This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it!!!’ ”
The Rest of the Story:
This statement appears in Adams’s letter to Thomas Jefferson on April 19, 1817, in which Adams recounted a conversation between Joseph Cleverly and Lemuel Bryant; a schoolmaster and a minister he had known. Disgusted by the petty religious bickering displayed by those two, Adams declared to Jefferson:
” Twenty times in the course of my late reading have I been on the point of breaking out, “This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it!!!” But in this exclamation I would have been as fanatical as Bryant or Cleverly. Without religion this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite company, I mean he
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Posted on December 1, 2011 at 5:52pmLast line was cut off. It should have read:
“Without religion this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite company, I mean hell”
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Posted on December 1, 2011 at 8:16pmI do not argue the point that the Founder believed in God. But I will argue all day that they were SECULAR in their political philosophy. They made that abundantly clear. Also, a good portion of the founder were, not Atheist as some would want you believe, but Deists; they believed in a “hands off” God. And while you can produce quotes of Founder professing religion, you cannot ignore the ones where thy denounce the organization of it in the realm of politics.
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Posted on December 2, 2011 at 8:05amOk whatever. The last line of the declaration of independence says “And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.”
“firm reliance of Protection of Divine Providence.” This is not about you (or maybe even some founding fathers) be atheists. It is about the truth. And the garbage you are spreading is NOT even close to the truth.
This is the text of President John Adams’ March 23, 1798 national Fasting and Prayer proclamation; as printed in the The Phenix/Windham Herald, April 12, 1798.
“AS the safety and prosperity of nations ultimately and essentially depend on the protection and blessing of Almighty God; and the national acknowledgment of this truth is not only an indispensable duty which the people owe to Him, but a duty whose natural influence is favorable to the promotion of that morality and piety, without which social happiness cannot exist, nor the blessings of a free government be enjoyed. …
I HAVE therefore thought it fit to recommend, that Wednesday, the 9th day of May next be observed throughout the United States, as a day of Solemn Humiliation, Fasting and Prayer; ”
It is one of two things. You have an agenda and you will never let the facts get in the way of your argument or you just believe some teacher, parent, professor or whatever and have never checked the original words of the founders out f
Report Post »KeithofBoston
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 1:53pm”We just want our citizenship to be recognized and the community to understand our diversity,” Downey explains. Why in the name of God would I be interested in understanding their ‘diversity’. Just Go Away.
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Posted on November 30, 2011 at 6:01pmthey are a diverse crowd of athiest citizens, there we recognized them…
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 6:23pmWe are here and our numbers are growing, not going, I’m happy to say. There is hope for us all yet. Won’t you join us in our free thought movement? We can be good without god and without fear of everlasting torment. I am a good person because I live each day to better myself and my community. Not because I’m afraid of an invisible sky daddy. I wish you all would as well.
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Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:43pmWhat you say is all in the bible…. now how is that possible ???
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If you don’t change you will be…
Sorry, YOUR goodness ain’t good enough, neither is mine….peace
rpa1121
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:43pmHow did we get here Fox? Really, I want to know how you think it all started? We both have to say “the beginning was always there”. Either God always existed or that far away galaxy where the bang happened always existed, so that is a moot point.. Or did everything come from nothing?
If not by God’s hand, how did we get eyes? Were they black and white then evolved into color? How did the iris know it was time to stop opening and therefore not let so much light in as to burn out the retina? Have you seen the diagram of the eye? The choroid, the aqueous humor, the optic nerve, the sclera, etc. Seriously, how?
DId the heart just start pumping sending blood out the skin or were the blood vessels already created, I’m sorry, evolved enough to hold the blood in place? How did all the species know to reproduce? What about the big bang actually caused a bird to sing? Are the planets just luckily moving around each other? Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
If we evolved based on needs, why do we not have wings? Birds figured out how to grow them. Butterflies did too. Or did we evolve based on just dumb luck so we got no wings. Crap, do we get a do over so I can get me some wings?
I believe this was all Gods design so I am asking seriously your explanation. I am not saying I have all the answers with my faith in God. I know HOW it happened, but not WHY he does everything he does. But I am curious HOW you think it all evolved so perfectly?
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Posted on November 30, 2011 at 9:35pmYour numbers are growing, not going? You’re a good person because you work to better Yourself and the community? How exactly is assaulting another’s beliefs bettering the community, the vast majority of which believe in Christ? Why wouldn’t we want to join you in self righteous assurance of your intellectual superiority? Do all Christians believe in God just because they read about it in a book? Isn’t it presumptuous to assume that one can only be a free thinker in the absence of belief in a higher power? Isn’t it pathetic to “better your community” by arguing and insulting those with whom you disagree? How exactly are you “bettering yourself” by inflicting your wretched soul upon the rest of us? Maybe your time would be better spent volunteering at a soup kitchen rather than self aggrandizing on an obviously pro-belief news site? What are you still doing here?
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Posted on December 1, 2011 at 9:25pm@ RPA ———- I love getting into our biology and origins. It is a fascinating subject to me and the process that led to our existence, while completely natural, still inspires a sense of awe in my that is untouched by anything else. Many Theists think the choice is between creation and chance. This is wrong. The choice is Creation or Natural Selection. We are not a product of chance but of a perfectly simple, causal relationship between cells, between body and environment. The problem is, we only feel comfortable thinking in time-terms that are relative to our own lives. Any Christian would agree that if an animal were born with a slightly different enzyme that allowed it to digest grass better, it’s offspring would inherit it and increase its survivability. It would have a greater chance of having offspring, etc, etc. But we can imagine what changes this can make over the course of millions upon millions of years; hundred of thousands of generations!
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Posted on November 30, 2011 at 1:52pmRom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
and how does the Bible define a fool?
Psa 53:1 …The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God…
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Posted on November 30, 2011 at 3:02pm@RPA1121: This upcoming “ holiday ” commerates the birth of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. If these knuckleheads are true atheists, they should really just stay home and do whatever it is that atheist do; how about a Bible study ? Atheists sure spend a lot of time denying God in whom they don’t believe. Whenever anyone says that trigger word “ diversity ” my Spider Senses start tingling and I’m ready to go into full self defense mode. And by the way, that “ Tree of Knowlege ” is close enough to the Bible’s “ Tree of the Knowlege of Good and Evil ” to make me suspicious.
Report Post »rpa1121
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 5:14pmGood point Tom. I had not made that connection for their “tree”. Went right over my head. Not hard to do these days though. ;o)
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 6:23pmIn Moby Dick, I read about a white whale. I know this to be true because I read it in Moby Dick.
Report Post »rpa1121
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 7:31pmHeb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
I read the Bible and diligently sought out God. I wanted to know. You read Moby Dick. It was just another book to you. Faith my friend. That is the answer. Have you ever really tried to seek him out or are you just repeating what you have been told?
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Posted on December 1, 2011 at 11:38am@foxhole lol, ironic that the folks in the human tree are holding up book covers……where exactly do they get their “knowledge”? And if you’re going to use the whole scientifc argument you would do well to remember that science is based on belief, then faith, then realization. However just because we didn‘t prove one thing until say 1980 doesn’t mean it wasn’t truth in 1780, we just didn’t know why then. If there is still much to learn in the scientific fields then there is still much to have belief and faith in, if there is not then the arrogance of peole has reached an all-time high by finally proclaiming “we know it ALL”. Athiests believe more in things they can‘t see and can’t prove more more than any other group there is. Funny part is, everything they do this with is printed. What did you say…….paraphrase – I read it in a book so it must be true.
Report Post »sharbian
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 9:34pmI like your passion, but quoting an Atheist scripture to prove your point is, well… pointless. What else would a book of God say?? I always get into friendly, but heated, debates with my Christian friends about the sometime strange nature of God. Maybe you would have something to add. Christians say matter could not have just “happened”. But to explain it they assign God. When asked where God came from…“he always was” which is still accepting the premise that “some things are ‘always’”. The difference is… if you have to chose between two things that “always” was you would natural pick the most simple one. Matter, or more specifically energy; E=Mc2, is the more simple. Christian select the more complex as being “always there”. Not just complex, but ultimately complex; listing to millions of prayers, healing, making the universe work, etc. This question has never been answered!! If matter requires a maker, then WHO MADE GOD?
Report Post »barnsy
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 1:52pmWhy do we find it necessary to change our religious traditions, which shaped our country ,to appease radical atheists,who make up less than 6% of our population?
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 3:42pmBecause we are not a theocracy.
Report Post »YoungConservativesRule
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 7:18pm@ Atheist
Your comment was funny but not for the reason you think…
Report Post »barnsy
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 7:54pmNo one is trying to shove religion down your throat.Just leave our traditions( that go back to the founding of our country) alone.The seperation of church and state is ment to protect people from a state sponsored religion.Its not ment to protect people from exposure to religion.Like it or not we were founded as a Judeo-Christian nation.As long as your not discriminated against I dont see a problem.Im a Deist and I lein towards Buddism,but still respect the countrys religious traditions.
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Posted on December 1, 2011 at 11:45am@foxhole
“Because we are not a theocracy.”
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Yes you are. Torcaso v.Watkins, affirmed on 19 August 2005 in the 7th Circut Court of appeals. You could at least try to understand your own beliefs before regurgitating them for all to see. It would make you far more effective in a debate.
SmallGovBigGuns
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 1:52pmthat seems like its hateful.. maybe muslims in a community could ask for a tree with all the book sleeves and websites that talk about how evil jews are and jihad. it doesnt make sense that athesits insist on making christmas a holiday of theirs. these people spend so much time trying to ruin traditions and make everyone’s life as dull as their craptacular lives
Report Post »Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 1:59pmThe Islamist tried that,it exploded before they could finish decorating it.
Report Post »RLTW
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 1:51pmKnowledge without wisdom and morality is useless.
Report Post »momrules
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 1:47pmOne more example of non-believers demanding to be recognized during a celebration that they don’t believe in.
In other news: Muslims are continuing their slaughter of Christians in Nigeria………Atlasshrugs.com
Senate rejects the Udall amendment to section 1031 of the Senate Defense Authorization Act.
Report Post »the amendment was an attempt to weaken section 1031 which bacically will turn the entire country into a battlefield and allow the military to arrest anyone accused of being a terrorist and hold them indefinately without trial. Americans will be stripped of their constitutional rights and Posse Comatitus will cease to exist………..Prisonplanet.com
Locked
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 1:46pmThese particular atheists have gone far past “free-thinking” and turned their non-belief into a belief system they demand to impose. I agree with the separation of church and state in theory, but this group is just as “wrong” as any other demanding to have their beliefs recognized on government grounds. It sounds like the officials did exactly what they were supposed to have done; these atheists should just enjoy their “holiday season” and stop being grinches.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 3:43pmNo, you’ve just moved that much farther away from thinking for yourself.
Report Post »Timothy_Reid
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 11:23am@foxhole Prove I don’t think for myself. My belief not only emphasizes freewill and complete autonomy in my decisions, but does so while not putting myself at the forefront of all my thoughts. It let’s me know there is something bigger than myself (regardless of what it is I may consider bigger than myself as many people believe many different things), anything to the contrary is not free-thought, it’s arrogance.
Report Post »chicago76
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 1:44pmWhen Napoleon and his party took over France during the French revolution, the people proclaimed their god to be reason. With reason as France’s god the French proceeded to guillotine tens of thousands of their own people to the delight of their audience of reasonable people. Then France proceeded to destroy Europe in a war of liberation. There is no reason without God.
Report Post »sharbian
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 4:09pmThat is ridiculous. The french revolution was not about god/no god. It was a failure of philosophy and an organizational problem. There were many who held the same philosophies of Jefferson and the founders, however the “mob” was allowed to influance the establishment of the new government… leading to more terror. What was missing was an INDIVIDUALIST philosophy protected by a Constitution that protected INDIVIDUAL rights. It had nothing to do with God nor the absence of. Not to mention the population of Atheists then was much slimmer than today and could not have had an influance on a revolution led by all but a handful of “Atheists” (more likly Deists)
Report Post »Spyderco
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 1:44pmFunny how a bunch of non-believers use references from the Bible to draw attention to themselves. Why do they feel the need to ruin Christmas for the rest of us? Do they need the attention that badly? If you dont believe in God, that is your choice. Does not matter because He is real with or without our approval. This is a poor cry for help and acceptance more than anything else. Jesus is the reason for season.
Report Post »AntipasMetochos
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 2:25pmHey, Spyderco, you’re on target. The marginalized are ignored and they know it, and unrepentant, irrational losers always cry the longest and loudest. One suggestion: Jesus is the Reason for life!
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 4:03pmBecause it’s all you people can understand.
Report Post »Rayblue
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 4:59pmRemember when they donned “Saint” Nicholas costumes to protest Christmas ?
Report Post »They can’t win for losing. And can’t think past their fear of cheer.
Leopold
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 11:15pmIt is clear why the atheist comes out at Christmas and Easter. They are filled with hatred and we know where this hatred originates from. Do we not?
Report Post »sharbian
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:55pmLeopold…. You’re so miseducated. But not really your fault. In the 50′s people thought blacks were sub-human and stupid, because that is all they heard; it bounced around the ignorant echo chamber. I’m not hateful. I have a great love for life! And, Satan has nothing to do with my Atheism, a non-contradictory rational philosophy does.
Report Post »jungle J
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 1:43pmwhy do so many athiest look like Judas sheep?
Report Post »Steve0218
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 1:37pmIt is strange that there are no arguments over valentine‘s day or other type’s of holiday’s. But the one that is about Jesus the Christ is complete chaos. Christmas is our holiday to celebrate the birth of our savior. Atheist are absolutely permitted to have a “holiday of knowledge” if they want to do so, but the date of December 25th is not open for you so please stop trying to hijack our holiday or compete with it in any other way.
Report Post »chips1
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 1:54pmWe gave them Friday 13th. Gimme,Gimme, Gimme!
Report Post »FlowerBell
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 4:13pmSteveo you are right. Let them have their own day, stay away from our day and our traditions.
Report Post »Here’s an idea. When they get their own atheist day we should insist they display a Christmas tree then set back and listen to all the screams.
KAdams
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 4:39pmFirst of all, Easter and Christmas have nothing to do with Christ. Well, I won‘t say ’nothing’… but they are simply amalgamations of pagan and Christian beliefs with the emphasis (supposedly) on Christ. I understand people celebrate for the spirit of celebrating the birth of Christ, but you’re still a few months off.
Anyhow, we‘re railing about what people think of our ’holidays(holy days)’, when we ourselves are allowing the inundation of pagan traditions to define our faith in God, and his son Jesus. Again, I understand the ‘spirit’ of the season, but you need to ask yourselves, is it truly OF GOD? I don‘t believe the ’spirit of the season’ is the Holy spirit, at all… not when Satan is the figurehead.
Report Post »StanO360
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 1:07pmNot Friday 13th . . . April 1st!
Report Post »rafa2design
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 1:37pmWhat‘s funny is that you still can’t take Christ out of the season even if you get rid of the word Christmas. The word holiday is derived from Holy Day, and who is Holy? The Lord. What are they going to do? I guess they’ll just have to call it a tree.
Report Post »LLATPOH
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 1:37pmY’know, this kind of stuff is why I look forward to the impending economic collapse. It might just stop the utter time-wasting stupidity that these people bring forward.
Report Post »LLATPOH
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 1:45pmAnd, not to be TOO mean about it, but look at that picture. I think they’re mad at God for not making them pretty.
Report Post »Sirfoldallot
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 1:34pmAthesit is a religion, they need to ge here own holiday.
Report Post »libertylover55
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 12:32pmThey do have their own holliday. I understand a judge gave it to them. It is April 1st.
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