Atheists’ Anti-Religion Billboard Campaign Targets African Americans
- Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:44pm by
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An atheist group is launching a billboard campaign that targets African Americans — particularly those who may be seriously questioning their faith in God. These eye-catching conversation-starters will be posted in six U.S. cities. The atheist group behind the project, African Americans for Humanism (AAH), has strategically chosen church-populated locations for the ads.
In Dallas, Texas, for instance, at least 12 predominately-black houses of worship are stationed near the billboard. Aside from the location, the timing of the campaign was also planned to coincide, nationally, with Black History Month.
In an announcement about the campaign, organizer Debbie Goddard wrote:
Billboards and transit shelter ads featuring historic and contemporary black humanists are going up—in black neighborhoods!—in New York City, Chicago, Atlanta, Los Angeles, Dallas, Washington DC, and Durham NC. The ads highlight historic black humanists Frederick Douglass, Langston Hughes, and Zora Neale Hurston, as well as eight contemporary activists and organizers representing local AAH-affiliated groups in each city.
The Christian Post further explains the billboards:
Each billboard, poster or banner that goes up says “Doubts about religion? You’re one of many” and has AAH’s website printed on it. Each sign will also feature the image of a famous historic black freethinker – like poet Langston Hughes, social reformer Frederick Douglass or writer Zora Neale Hurston – across from the photo of a contemporary black atheist leader.
At least one pastor in the Dallas area says that, though he disagrees with the message, he welcomes a debate with non-believers. Pastor David Lane of Marsalis Avenue Church of Christ — located just blocks from where the Texas billboard will be placed this upcoming Monday — maintains that faith is a cornerstone in African American heritage. Thus, he doesn’t seem too confident that people will jump onto the atheist bandwagon.
“Traditionally African Americans come out of a tradition that is led and motivated by faith. We are where we are and we are who we are primarily because we’ve chosen to believe in a power that’s bigger than ourselves,” Lane explained.
He went on to say that the close proximity of the ad will create a buzz in the community. The congregations close by, he contends, will be faced with a challenge by their atheist peers. This, too, will be the case in the five other cities where the billboards will be posted.
Alix Jules, a member of AAH, maintains that the purpose of the billboards isn’t to cause trouble. Rather, he claims that the goal is to inspire those who may be teetering on the brink of skepticism to come out and fully question their beliefs.
“It’s for the ones that really have doubt,” he said. “Understand you are not alone.”
Image Credit: African Americans for Humanism
Jules, though, has a personal stake in the campaign, as it is his face that will appear on a billboard in Texas, alongside Hughes. Jules was also featured in a July 2011 Ebony Magazine article about atheism in the black community.
“Can I believe in a God that will help me find my keys and win a ball game but allows hunger in places like Africa?,” he said. “Those are really big questions the church does not have answers to.”
It is these difficult and seemingly unanswerable questions that the AAH apparently hopes to capitalize on.
(H/T: MyFoxDFW.com)
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ArgumentumAdAbsurdum
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:29pmOKay, I see alot of Christians posting here about how atheists are ignorant,etc. So i will make this simple, you Christians give one, just one piece of tangible evidence of the existance of your god?
Report Post »boundforglory
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:32pmCreation!!
Report Post »ArgumentumAdAbsurdum
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:42pmI said tangible! Creation is at best fantastical, with not any testable evidence supporting it
Report Post »Blinda
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:45pmHe has given me hope and peace that passes understanding and love for others – even people who disagree with me. He has given me strength to get through the worst days of my life… strength to start over again after times of great loss. He has given me the ability to forgive. He has given my life purpose.
And you can’t offer any real evidence that any of these things are not true.
Report Post »lanurse1
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:45pmWhy don’t you prove there is no God?
Report Post »oct15
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:48pmLANURSE1: it’s called “science”. by that argument, do you also believe in the existence of unicorns, santa clause, and the easter bunny?
Report Post »ArgumentumAdAbsurdum
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:50pm@ lanurse
Report Post »You cannot prove a negative. therefore the burden of proof rests with believers
RationalMan
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:53pmlanurse1
Report Post »Why don’t you prove there is no God?
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First we must “Identified” who made God! ;)
dealer@678
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:59pmLook in the mirror .Examine every part of your body inside and out and how it all functions to sustain life. Then say their is no God
Report Post »oct15
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:01pmDEALER@678: very easy. evolution’s been proven. besides that, what kind of god would create a mostly-naked, slow, basically defenseless, self-centered creature and call it his ‘greatest creation’? lol christians
Report Post »RationalMan
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:09pmdealer@678
Report Post »Then way do People, insects, pets, i.e. Have sex? :)
Goldenyears22
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:13pmRead the first two chapters of Romans. One cannot argue with one who refuses to believe. Oh but the joy in belief and faith in the God that holds all this universe together by His Word. It’s your loss that you do not believe, for faith is not something you can take in your hands and stroke. Faith is what gives us forgiveness, peace and hope and eternal life to come. Evidence is there but those who choose to ignore it and think all this vast and wonderful universe, the miraculous body is not an accident. I’m happy to believe and wish you could have the joy of a personal relationship with God provided by His Son who died for us. We don’t understand everything about God for we are not God, but we accept all that He says by faith and by faith we are saved.
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:13pm@ oct15 …Science in all its wisdom has yet to create the spark of life,in plants or animals nor will they ever..there is your proof of god
Report Post »Jerry
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:14pmDa just look in the mirror, do you have a family?
Report Post »db321
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:17pmArgumentumAdAbsurdum – You spend your entire day arguing that something you don‘t believe in doesn’t exist.
All things aside – Agree with me that you are going to one day die – the Bible say it is appointed unto men once to die – then the Judgement.
A good friend of mine described the promise written in the Bible and confirmed by Jesus of eternal life and all we have to do is allow Jesus in heart. He said it was the best deal he had ever made with anyone – eternal life for faith. Obviously, he took it much further and has been a good and faithful servant of God.
ArgumentumAdAbsurdum – what do you get for being a non believer – you die and then what!
Report Post »oct15
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:18pmMCDAVE: that is not proof of god, that is a tired and vague platitude. try harder.
Report Post »boundforglory
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:21pmThe so-called big bang theory is just that, a theory, an unprovable theory. They say (the scientists) that in the beginning there was nothing and all that nothing came together and went BANG. Nothing is just that, NOTHING, no heat, no light, no dust, no atoms, no cold, no gravity, nothing. All that nothing cant come together and make everything. You look at a building, there had to be a builder because a building cant happen by itself, the same with a painting, it didnt happen by itself, there had to be a painter. Since there is creation, there had to be a CREATOR! We will all stand before the judgment seat of Christ and be judged. When you are there before Christ, you will know the absolute truth. If you dont believe now and refuse to search for the truth, then you are spiritually discerned. This is what God has said about people like you: Proverbs 31:8b In the cause of all who are appointed to die, and Proverbs 16:4 The Lord has made all things for Himself, yes, even the wicked for the day of doom. Proverbs 14:12 There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death. Jesus said: “Ask and it will be given you; seek and you will find; knock and it will be opened to you”. “For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened”. Matthew 7:7-8. Look for the truth and you will find it, you just have to have faith!
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:23pmOCT15 Create life and prove me wrong
Report Post »lwnmwrmn
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:27pmHow about they admit the hypocrisy first…it’s accepted that Abraham killed his son because god told him to do it. In the last 50 years, how many people have been found not guilty for killing their kids because god told them to do it….zero. They are all found to be crazy!!!
oct15
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:30pmin response to your postulations on the big bang theory–just because you can‘t understand or comprehend something doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen. this is the same “argument” that many of the christians here are using, but unlike them, the big bang theory actually has scientific backing and research to support it. according to the BBT, the universe was once in an extremely hot and dense state which expanded rapidly. this rapid expansion caused the young universe to cool and resulted in its present continuously expanding state. according to the most recent measurements and observations, this original state existed approximately 13.7 billion years ago, which is considered the age of the universe and the time the big bang occurred. after its initial expansion from a singularity, the universe cooled sufficiently to allow energy to be converted into various subatomic particles. it would take thousands of years for some of these particles to combine and form atoms, the building blocks of matter. the first element produced was hydrogen, along with traces of helium and lithium. eventually, clouds of hydrogen would coalesce through gravity to form stars, and the heavier elements would be synthesized either within stars or during supernovae. TBB is a well-tested scientific theory which is widely accepted within the scientific community because it is the most accurate and comprehensive explanation for the full range of phenomena astronomers observe. (cont)
Report Post »Amica
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:31pmI don’t think athiests are ignorant, I think they’re arrogant. Your post drips with arrogance and smug contempt.
Report Post »oct15
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:32pm.. since its conception, abundant evidence has arisen to further validate the model. in addition, the universe is still expanding and we’ve barely even begun to explore our own GALAXY.
Report Post »ArgumentumAdAbsurdum
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:33pm@mcdave
Ahh I see. That good old explanation ” we havent figured it out, therefore, God did it”. That is irrefutable. Well done, you single handedly have saved us loads of time and money. Scientists out there listen up. No need to to continue your work, mcdave has solved all of the worlds mysteries… God did it. Let me be the first to niminate you for the Nobel prize.
@GoldenYears
Report Post »You cannot say that we refuse to see the evidence without at least hinting at what that evidence may be.
RationalMan
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:39pmGoldenyears22
We don’t understand everything about God for we are not God, but we accept all that He says by faith and by faith we are saved…..
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What? Of course you understand your God, you’re one of His “Foot Soldiers” a (Human God)!! ;)
Report Post »maccow
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:43pm@LWNMWRMN
Nice try but Abraham didn’t sacrifice his son Isaac. The Angel of the Lord stopped him.
Oh wait. A father having his son carry the wood up a specific hill in the Mountains of Mariah in what is today Israel. The highest point of those mountains is out side a city which will someday later be called Jerusalem. There is a substitution offering caught by thorns in its head. There are three days involved, two witnesses, and the place is called by Abraham YHVH Yireh, God Provides, for he says “In the mountain of the Lord it shall be seen.”
HMMMM Seems I’ve heard this story somewhere before, but not in the book of Genesis. I’m sure it will come to me.
Report Post »RationalMan
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:46pmWhen so call Christians loose an argument, they change the subject along the way!!!! :)
Report Post »silentme63
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:47pmevidence? the fact that you are asking this question is evidence only the fool says in his heart their is no God. (Psalm 14:1)
Report Post »Look4DBigPicture
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:48pmWhy do you care? Why can’t you simply go hang with your atheist friends and ignore anyone who disagrees with you? You‘re wasting your time if you think you’re going to convince a believer who posts on the Blaze to see your way of thinking. Our First Amendment Rights gives all Americans the freedom of religion and the exercise thereof … so please … quit being a jerk. Simply go live your life and allow others to live theirs.
Report Post »maccow
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:51pmWe are all running down the Creation verses Evolution hole. I have my beliefs about it as does everyone else. NONE OF US WERE THERE, so we will never know in this life. Absolutely 100% unprovable until someone invents a time machine, or God sends down the blue prints. And even then we will find points of disagreement.
Report Post »ArgumentumAdAbsurdum
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:55pm@boundfor glory
Report Post »Actually, the prevailing school of thought now is that there wasnt necessarily a “beginning”. Just as time is infinite, so to is space. We feel a need to assign beginnings and ends to things, because that its our limited concept of time, but that doesnt mean that that is the way the universe works. Perhaps the universe has always existed, there has been an infinite cycle of expansions(big bang) and contractions(end of the universe). The beginning and the end are the same time. On a smaller scale we see it in the way stars, at their deaths, expand then contract and explode scattering their matter into space providing the elements for creation.
ArgumentumAdAbsurdum
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:08am@DB
Report Post »Of course I will die. And not because the bible says so. As to what I get from not believing… Freedom. I dont live my life beholden to some supernatural dictator. I dont need an imaginary friend to love me and tell me right from wrong and I’m wary of those that do.
maccow
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:16amWow! So much high minded certainty about something no one knows for sure but by faith, or belief if you prefer. The real question underlying all is whether or not God is. You have a free choice to accept of deny God, and once that choice is made it paints all else we believe in. Its the only question you can possibly approach without bias because the answer will bias all other beliefs you hold from politics to economics, you name it.
Report Post »I’ve never met an atheist who believed in creation, or someone who believes the bible is the word of God who believed in evolution. I have only heard of the rare instance of the atheist being brought to Christ by the proof of creation or vice versa, evolution to atheism.
Vary rare is the person who approaches the question of God or the genesis of the universe, free of bias and presupposition.
I must admit, I didn’t. But now the arguments of men can’t sway me.
C-Delta Conductor
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:32amScience: describes only physical events, using natural (tangible) explanations, Scientific theories can never be proven true, only proven false.
Scientism: the belief that science is the only way of knowing, the true way of knowing, and FAITH that there is no aspect of reality that is not natural and thus scientifically explainable.
Faith: the belief in (devotion to) something with no tangible proof.
Asking one to scientifically prove God is not only arrogant and ignorant but is also an affront to science. Science is SILENT on the existence of a supernatural reality, science is SILENT on the existence of God because scientific speculation into the matter would violate the fact that science only speaks about physical (tangible) phenomenon. What oct15 and ArgumentumAdAbsurdum are asking for is scientific proof of something that science CANNOT offer proof of. Their argument is ironclad in its DISHONESTY. What these two fine individuals are actual arguing for is called scientism (a term popularized by Mises and Hayek) the trouble with this belief is that it too is ASCIENTIFIC: one must take the scientismist on FAITH that the natural world is all that exists, which violates the tenants of true science.
Anyone who engages in a theological argument on scientismist ground is asking to be rhetorically slain because they are forced to accept that God (an intangible) is tangible: “not A” will never equal “A”. The request “provide tangible evidence of God” is philosophicall
Report Post »Leopold
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:42am@Oct15
It is an absolute lie to claim evolution has been proofen. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Do you even know anything about evolution? The impossible odds? Have you heard of all the fraud that has been committed by evolutionists? Read “The Face that Demonstrates the Farce of Evolution by Hank Hanegraaff. Since you seem to be into science I assume you know something about it. Maybe I am wrong. Many people rely on science and don’t know anything about it. I challenge you to read a couple of books where you have to use your noodle. Evolution: A Theory in Crisis, by Michael Denton, Ph.D. Molecular Biologist, and Darwin’s Black Box, The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution by Michael Behe, Prof. of Biochemistry.
if you really believe in science, this might enlighten you.
Science has done really good things. It is just not everything. You are limiting your field of learning, if that is all you rely on. To believe science has an answer for evolution is the height of ignorance. Do some reading and then try again. If you do you might find the truth. I highly recommend it.
When science has actual proof of evolution without a doubt; I definitely will re-consider my believe in how God created everything. Proof to me that they can. All you Atheists want proof for the existence of God. We want proof of evolution. So far there is NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING. All they have is theories, deductions, speculations and suggestion etc.etc
Report Post »blackyb
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:09amYour eyes. That love and kindness in your heart. The (hopefully) paternal or maternal instinct that causes you to love your children. The sweet and love you feel in earnest. That yearning in your heart to find the Truth. Ask God to show you, and help you because no one is going to go to hell for you. Jesus did and got the keys to death and hell and overcame them so you wouldn’t have to, but you gotta ask Him. He is not like evil who tries to enter without being asked. Ask Him to come in and you will see a change if you want to know Him.
Report Post »RationalMan
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:01amO.K. “Foot Soldiers” a (Human God)!! ;)
Who made or created your Master…GOD? ;)
No “Pseudo Science” allowed! :)
What did G.B. say…“Truth has no Agenda”! :)
Report Post »joplick
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:02amAs for evidence of the existence of a Supreme Being I cast my vote for the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.
Report Post »Bad_Ashe
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:05am@ARGUMENTUMADABSURDUM – Ahh, another Internet atheist who can‘t resist the siren’s call of his social autism. Yes, many Internet/militant atheist-types do tend to be quite ignorant and intellectually dishonest, as well as other lovable traits. Based on your comments, I‘m honestly not sure who’s more so, you or @OCT15.
With your nom de plume and antagonistic little pasta monster, it seems you fancy yourself much better at this than you actually are. That being said, I’m happy to bite, but first we need to address some issues you are having already.
Your first religion-baiting request was for tangible evidence, then you state another commenter‘s post wasn’t scientific evidence. The definition of tangible is actually rather broad, scientific not nearly as much, assuming by “scientific” you mean empirical evidence by way of scientific method.
Don’t conflate these. This is often the atheist’s first failure at building a logically sound argument, altering definitions as they go. SEE: Dawkins failed Ultimate 747 Gambit.
That being said, our first hurdle is defining our evidentiary parameters. What do you consider to be valid evidence? Why do you consider this to be the only valid type of evidence? Once we’ve discussed and defined this, we can move forward.
Just as a tangentially-related question for future posts, do you assert that there is no God?
I look forward to your future handwaving, goalpost moving, non-sequiturs, and anti-religious rants.
Report Post »Raven249
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:07amWhat of our laws? Our codes of conduct? Why are there no other sentient species on earth? And what the hell’s the deal with creatures like the platypus? Evolution did THAT? My ass, it did. Animals don’t have any of the other things I just mentioned, either, so what makes us different? If there is no God, how do you define right and wrong? And the soul, that serves no evolutionary purpose, does it? Yet we have one. How could a species evolve even from apes and gain our intelligence, but lose the strength and physical abilities of other apes? Natural selection’s all about picking the best traits. Gaining brains and losing brawn ain’t natural selection. Natural selection would be having both.
Report Post »Bad_Ashe
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:16am@OCT15 – So what I’m getting from you (outside of general obnoxiousness) is that you are quite confident in the standard Big Bang model for creation of the universe, including the initial singularity?
Are you sure?
Do you really think the universe just expanded in a big explosion like that? Come on man. They say Christians are suckers. Be seeing you.
Report Post »EARLJAC
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:38amHow do you exlain my wife that could never have children get prayed for and then be able to give birth? How do you explain the blind lady in africa that we prayed fro and now she can see. How do you explain the picture of the tumor that the doctor took that was right next to my unborn child but after prayer and fasting there is no sign of it. This country has a sin problem that why you see the the crime hurt and pain. God will show his power to the hungry and those that truly believe. But there will come a day when every knee shall bow. And there is a such thing as hell, just ask the man that prayed for god to show him a glimse and went crazy because he could not shake the memory
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 4:14amPOOR pitiful soul: HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN : LOVE ?
WE don’t need love to procreate. Where did it come from? An exploding grain of sand? What caused the EXPLOSION? Where did the exploding particles come from? WE don’t need to explain where GOD came from. HE will when we finish this “SCHOOL” called life.
It sure takes a lot more faith to be an ATHEIST…doesn’t it? Believing that something exploded and then stopped and a grain of sand became an eyeball and every person created has different finger prints… and there has never been even a trace of truth to any “scientific” claim of evolution… not sayhing that species themselves don’t evolve but not butterflies into men. Darwin was proven to be a charlatan or don’t you know that??? NOPE….. GOD is LOVE. LOVE proves the existence of GOD just as hatred proves the existence of Satan. Poor, pitiful soul.
Report Post »GETLIFE
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 4:46amAtheism is not humanism.
Report Post »What a stupid billboard.
A Conservatarian
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 4:47amRE: God’s existence, the existence of the big bang, etc and more. Please see below what I posted :)
Report Post »hillbillyinny
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 6:36amYOU are tangible evidence of My God. You nor I would exist without God! Sorry, don’t believe in that big cr*p-shoot of the “big bang” or other “theories of chance”! You see, I don’t need to be “as God” (satan’s big lie). I‘ll let God be God and I’ll be me and together we’ll do wondrous things for all of eternity.
Come to truth!
Report Post »MarianF
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 8:44amI don’t think your are ignorant, just misled. Show proof that there is no God. You may have points to make, thoughts and ideas but you have no proof. I have no proof per se, just a personal knowledge that God lives, I know my prayers are heard and answered. I have had movements in my life that cannot be explained away be coincidence or how the proverbial cookie crumbled. Times where I have prayed specifically about where to go or what to do in my life. It hasn’t always been big things like marriage, college or career choice, but small absolute moments where I have known not just that there is a God, but that He knows me personally and loves me. I know he is aware of me and has answered others prayers on my behalf. One brief example is one day at work everything was lovely no obstacles in my normally hectic and stressful day. I had a very strong feeling that someone had prayed specifically for me and my day to go well. So, I thought, Who? I called my younger sister, and almost accusingly said “Did you pray for me to have a good day at work? and she said, “Actually, I did.” I knew that the Lord had answered her specific prayer about my day at work and knew He had removed obstacles from my path because she had thought to ask. You can think what you would like about this, I don’t care, but to me that is proof.
Report Post »BOMUSTGO
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:17amThe Spirit infilling evidenced by speaking in tongues as prophesied by Isaiah 28:11, Joel 2:28, Mark 16:17.Started on the birthday of the church on the day of Pentecost Acts 2:38…Also the nine gifts of the Spirit are still in operation.
Report Post »Tomr
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:34amShow me your proof that God does not exist. Why do you atheist spend sooooo much time and effort trying to disprove something you don’t believe. You people must lead very frustrating lives.
God bless you all.
Report Post »Tomr
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:43am@ ArgumentumAdAbsurdum
“You cannot prove a negative. therefore the burden of proof rests with believers”
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You are a believer that God does not exist. Thus the proof rests with you.
icecreamcake
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:26am@ argumentumadabsurdum
@ lanurse
You cannot prove a negative. therefore the burden of proof rests with believers
This is a completely false statement with no basis. You cannot prove something is completely true unless you disprove all other theories. So, go ahead and prove there is no God. The burden rests on you.
Report Post »rhettnc
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:31amWhat I don’t understand is why they care what I think or believe? I would like atheists to accept Jesus in their heart but I can not make them do that. Why do atheists want remove any symbols of Christianity? If I didn’t believe in the transpiration of plants and you did I would not be offended by you or even just the site of a plant…
Report Post »icecreamcake
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:36am@Rhettnc
Exactly. You never see Christians “calling” (man I hate that term) for atheists to take these signs down. However, you always hear of atheists “calling” that symbols of Christianity be taken down. Very hypocritical.
Report Post »DETROIT JOHN
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 11:38amThe “THEORY OF EVOLUTION” So you want me to believe that a single cell organism magically apeared in the ocean and then crawled out on land and evolved into a 5 ton dinosaur ? Or that other single celled organisms also evolved into a monkey and then into a human? Thats your science wow.
WHERE DID LIFE COME FROM?
Report Post »kozanne
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 11:59amThe fact that I am still alive when I should be dead. Worked for me.
And really, at the bottom of it all, humanism/atheisim, whatever you want to call it, it‘s just another ’ism’, another religion. Men making the rules up as they go, and, as Jesus Christ said about the religious leaders of His day, “For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.”
Report Post »DonnaMcClure
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:15pmof course… YOU are tangible evidence. otherwise we are left with trying to understand how we started with a whole lot of NOTHING, then nothing happened to the nothing but it magically exploded for no reason creating EVERYTHING. Then little bits of everything magically by chance rearranged themselves into self replicating bits that turned into dinosaurs. This exceptionally astute and logical ‘science’ comes from the very same ‘scientists’ that just recently (in the grand scheme of things) told us unequivocally that the world was flat, disease was caused by ‘bad humors in the air’ and people could be cured of them by bleeding them to death. Yes, by all means, trust implicitly and only in the minds of men, they have done so well so far…I give you the global warmists who KNOW what the temperatures will be in a decade but couldn’t prevent my motorcycle ride from being rained out today… if you can’t predict tomorrow reliably how can you predict a year from now? These are the same human minds that can learn to feed the world, but can’t get people to stop killing themselves and each other long enough to distribute the food.
Report Post »mountainmover101
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:40pmGive one shred of evidence that He does not.
Report Post »weremoose
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:19pmGive one. I mean just one piece of tangible evidence proving us wrong.
Report Post »gj schock
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:24pmM Theory. Maybe not possible. It dose make it plusable.
Report Post »cscregan
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:35pmTangible evidence? Like you have tangible evidence that the universe popped in to exsistance all by it self. From nothing, by nothing, for nothing. A mindless, nonthinking void of nothingness produces immense complexity. Is that your tangible evidence against a creator. This is good stuff. Lets look at more of your tangible evidence against a creator. Chaos (the Big Bang) produces incredible order (The Cosmilogical Constant) . Non-matter produces matter. Non-intelligence produces intelligence. Information for self assembly (DNA) of greater complexity then any computer man has ever made produces itself. All of this has been reproduced in a lab and proves there is no God. Oh wait a minute, no it hasn’t. Your tangible evidence is not science, it’s metaphysics. In the book of Romans, thats in the Bible, Paul wrote, “For since the creation of the world His (God) invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen, because they are understood through what has been made. So that people are without excuse”. You don’t believe what your eyes can clearly see. That someone or something of incredible intelligence created all you can see.
Report Post »oitsugina
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 4:28pmFor me, my belief and the evidence came with science. The more I learned about the molecular world, how it works and just the “miracle” of it all, I just knew….I saw God in all of it! Our current knowledge is complex, what we don’t know is so far beyond what we can even imagine or perceive of, there has to be something more. All of this, came from somewhere. I‘m sure this isn’t enough for you though.
Report Post »Vixvenom
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 6:12pmMan cannot find God through reason, only through faith–B.Pascal
If you don’t get it, you won’t get it. But I would ask you to explain how, despite thermodynamic laws of entropy, we find the coded information (mathematical data) that allows a spider to create a web, endcoded into their DNA. Information does not arise from a lack of it. God Bless You Friend.
Report Post »NOTW
CROCK-HANDLER
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 7:17pmyou think all life on this planet was an accident?. Perfect living conditions, water, air, nature.?
Report Post »Macman1138
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 8:19pmIt‘s an election year and seems that everyone’s wanting the ***** vote these days.
Report Post »Centurian
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 8:30pmA few points on this topic:
1. Evolution. This has never been truly proven. All that evolution shows is that there are basic “blueprints” for live on Earth. To me, this speaks of Intelligent Design. Take for example the automobile. Since the basic design of the automobile has shown to be efficient (wheels, undercarraige, engine, etc), it has gone through very few changes. Yes, its appearance has changed since the early 1900′s, but the basic design has not.
2. Evolution, part 2. People have been digging up fossil remains of “dinosaurs” and their likes for centuries. The problem is that there never seems to be any form of missing link between the ancestors from one era to the next. If there truly was evolution, why don’t we ever find these links? Where are the “intermediary” dinosaurs?
3. Eyes. In many animals, such as turtles and other vertebrates, there are too many interconnecting, independent parts to its design. Thus, for the eye to work, via evolution, numerous mutations would have to work at the same instance, or else the animal would be blind, and thus easily killed by predators or would die of starvation.
4. Big Bang. Simply put, one of the most basic laws of physics is that something cannot come from nothing. Thus, I am faced with a dilemma. Either God was already here and created the matter, or the matter simply created itself.
There are other instances, but from my perspective, it takes greater faith to be an Atheist than what it does to be a
Report Post »tylertxsteve
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:32pmyour eye ball has 11.5 million light seeking cells. but not 1 found elsewhere. u have 8 fingers and 2 thumbs.not 10 fingers or 10 thumbs. a tree and a lung are just Opposite of each other. your ear is not under your arm.ur eyes, ears,nose and mouth is not just somewhere on the body but was put in the right place… and own and own…u see i use to be a atheists…then i started to think…by accident …no.. u see with all the scientist in the world working in labs, what life have they created? and we came out of a swamp somewhere. sorry i dont have the faith to believe that.
Report Post »tylertxsteve
Posted on February 5, 2012 at 12:39amAs you have most likely heard from various news sources, scientists have managed to create the first synthetic life in the form of a bacterium with DNA sequenced entirely by computer — a human-designed life form.
In doing so, they have proven what Intelligent Design advocates have been contending all along- intelligence is required to create life. But, have Craig Venter and his colleagues actually “created life?” No, they have only managed to “mimick it.”
so what then did we come from a swamp? so you won’t one… the eye has 11.5 million light seeking cells..but not 1 anywhere else. how did they find there way there.
Report Post »Bad_Ashe
Posted on February 5, 2012 at 1:48am@ARGUMENTUMADABSURDUM – I’m checking in a day later to see if you amounted to any more than another drive-by atheist, shooting at easy targets with the bad aim all too typical of your ilk. It’s funny how often your type seems much less apt to engage a theist who knows how to shoot back.
It is Saturday, and we are all surely busy, so I’ll check back again soon. Until then, I’m still waiting for you to define what you consider to be valid evidence for me. Where are you, Brave Sir Robin!
@OCT15 – I was truly hoping to continue having fun at your expense. Are you going to step into the bear trap, or have you too taken your idiocy and fled?
Report Post »mauijonny
Posted on February 5, 2012 at 3:44amProof of God who finally sent someone to Earth to tell us to stop with all the weird stuff? We don’t fly airplanes into buildings and many of us, even before we considered ourselves at least agnostic, have a hard time explaining “meaningful coincidence” as, I’m sure, you do yourself. BTW, I am such an avid understander of science, as well, that I have a degree in biology. I know all about evolution (and don’t disagree), geology, etc…How about being as willing to open your mind to a Christian/loving God as you are to yoga (i.e. stretching)?
Report Post »Dad_Saint_Tech
Posted on February 5, 2012 at 5:35amTo definitively prove the existence of Heavenly Father would be a grievous blasphemy. This is why… the first gift given to man was the freedom of choice, right or wrong, good or evil. The greatest gift given to man was the freedom to repent for our mistakes. One of the requirements for that repentance is faith.
If God (and in turn a single church) were “proven” true, we would all make our choice on knowledge, not faith, thus preventing our own salvation.
Thankfully He left evidence to His existence in the form of prophets and doctrine. Additionally there are many scientist who have seen enough evidence to convince them.
For more information please watch, “Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed” as well as a series called, “Incredible Creatures That Defy Evolution”
Report Post »gdfleo
Posted on February 5, 2012 at 8:50amThe Resurrection and many witnesses to it.
Report Post »Kankokage
Posted on February 5, 2012 at 12:34pmScience proves the existence of a “god”. Consider, if you will:
Evolution is the way life grew on this earth. Evolution is driven by natural selection – mutations introduced into the reproductive line of a species give certain members a permanent advantage for survival – and this is a wonderful explanation of the diversification we see in our biosphere.
However, once you get to the original cell, evolution by natural selection fails. This is simply because, by definition, natural selection is a removal of general, “out-of-date” information from the gene pool; if there is no information to remove, the equation fails. There MUST be another mechanism for the formation of the first reproducing life. Furthermore, if one suggests that this life was randomly formed via crystals, or lightning, or any other natural process, a statistical impossibility arises that cannot be physically overcome.
This impossibility is driven by the complexity of the RNA molecule (not to mention its instability) and the need for at minimum twenty support proteins. If any one of these proteins is missing in the simplest of life, that life cannot be viable or reproduce. The statistical odds of all the components forming perfectly in a bubble without breaking down – AND surviving – is roughly 1 in 10^(100*20^20), a number so big that it is a virtual impossibility.
Lastly, if life cannot form randomly here, it cannot elsewhere. A timeless “higher power” must exist.
Report Post »Kankokage
Posted on February 5, 2012 at 12:41pmAs an explanation of my numerical estimate:
1 in 10^(100*20^20):
100 is the factor for perfect RNA (100^2 for DNA). “Perfect” in this case means coded exactly to recreate itself and all twenty support proteins and, if evolved, support structures such as endoplasmic reticuli, Golgi complexes, etc. This is a much reduced number than what would actually be needed, but it serves as a fair estimate.
20^20: the likelihood of all twenty proteins forming, at random, inside the same bubble as the perfect RNA (or DNA), is roughly 20 (the number of proteins needed) raised to the 20th power.
Report Post »1TANKERYANKER
Posted on February 5, 2012 at 1:03pmHow can you say that creation is not tangible ? How do you think everything came into being? And by the way I for one would love to see your supporting evidence to the contrary. Faith is the answer, I can’t see the oxygen in the breath of air that I am going to take, however I am not going to run out a buy a bottle of oxygen because I can not see it. Have faith in the lord God It will change your life, It did mine.
Report Post »Ghandi was a Republican
Posted on February 5, 2012 at 2:02pmA SOUL! Sorry if you feel left out..
Report Post »InWithForGod
Posted on February 6, 2012 at 7:19amTo Argumentumadabsurdum:
Take your eyes away from the microscope and look at the big picture. I have experienced enough of God to know that faith requires a foundation and a source: “Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen.” (Hebrews 11:1) Faith is not something we can come up with on our own. Faith sees things that the secular scientific community would never put under a microscope. Faith is the “equal” sign (=) of an equation that establishes the mutual value of both sides. What have you done with that sign in your consideration and investigation into belief in God?
In what does my faith and hope have a foundation? What is its substance? God, who is the very source and essence of life, faith, hope, joy, peace and love. To look at these concepts physically and scientifically, unless their source is acknowledged, is useless because, alone, those fields of endeavor disregard their very essence. Science and physics can not even see the “chemistry” of those concepts much less the philosophy, reality or personality that is their essence and foundation. It takes faith to experience them to their fullest depth and meaning. If you are honest with yourself, according to scientific conclusions, all you are is a pile of chemicals. There is no faith in any endeavor you might pursue. That, in my estimation is nothing to boast about.
Report Post »jwilburn
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 11:17pmHow about an Ant Farm…Look at it you Moron
Report Post »Hyena
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:29pmThe problem here is the paradox of these people claiming to be atheists AND free thinkers. My understanding of a “free-thinker” means they would have to, at the very least, have enough of an open mind to “think” there may be the possibility of the existance of God.
But of course that won’t happen. Am I wrong?!
Report Post »ArgumentumAdAbsurdum
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:49pmI think you’ll find it very difficult to find any atheist who would say unequivocally that there is no or any possibilty of a god. only theists deal in absolutes. as an atheist, is it possible that there is a god?… sure, just as it is possible that there are unicorns. but is their existence probable? the answer is undoubtedly, no.
Report Post »oct15
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:56pmwhat? this is the most nonsensical argument i’ve ever heard for anything. they’re not even claiming to be atheists, they’re humanists, which is an entirely different thing.
Report Post »“Humanism is an approach in study, philosophy, world view or practice that focuses on human values and concerns, attaching prime importance to human rather than divine or supernatural matters.”
i would not call a majority of christians free thinkers. let‘s check out the dictionary’s definition of this one..
“inclined to forms one’s own opinions rather than depend upon authority, especially about social and religious issues; exhibiting boldness of speculation; skeptical of authority.” huh! weird! so, let me ask, hyena.. how many of your horribly ignorant opinions have you formed based on the words of one mr. glenn beck?
RationalMan
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:03pmHyena,
My understanding of a “free-thinker” means they would have to, at the very least, have enough of an open mind to “think” there may be the possibility of the existance of God.
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Free-Thinkers, think with an active mind, not like religious person who thinks with their heart!
Heart doesn’t “Think” it pumps blood!!! ;)
But of course that won’t happen. Am I wrong?!
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Yes, but, again who made God???? ;)
maccow
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:26pm“Doubts about religion? Your one of many.”
Atheists don’t have the answers but they will definitely affirm your doubts.
Notice how these “free thinkers” have to peddle their crap in a country where rights are endowed by a creator. They should try their free thought in one of the marxist countries they so admire and we’ll see just how long they last. If these atheists were ever able to strip all vestiges of God from the public arena, what kind of country would they end up with? Oh wait…we can begin to see that already.
Cold can only be measured by the absence of heat for at a certain temperature all molecules cease to generate any heat.
Darkness can only be measured by the absence of light for there is a point of darkness where no light waves are present.
Evil can only be measured by the absence of good for where good is absent, evil abounds.
“So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.”
And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
“How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.”
My momma always said evil is as evil does.
Report Post »Thats all I got to say about that.
C-Delta Conductor
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:57amWhy is being a “free-thinker” necessarily a moral (ethical) quality. I believe that anyone can be as closed minded or open-minded as they wish so long as they do not infringe on my right to do the same. I don’t care what atheists believe, Christ’s great commission was not to remove the rights of others so that they will know that he is God; rather, it is to bear the fruits of His GOOD WILL so that they will know that He is good and that He is God. Similarly, why is it a moral imperative that atheists seek to suffocate the freedoms of the faithful; in a free society of what consequence is it to them that we “irrational” thinkers are running around.
I have one interest, and that is freedom, I may be the last Christian on Earth in a sea of Atheists but that does not make my belief in God and his attributes any less true, so long as I have the right of a minority to speak my blasphemies and live my “anti-reasonable” Kantian life. Similarly, does being the last atheist in a theist society make the atheist’s beliefs anymore true or untrue so long as his rights to speak and live are not infringed upon by the majority. Freedom is the binding plate of any society which allows for infinite diversity of ideas, morals, ethics and religions and I will stand with anyone, majority or minority; atheist, theist, or agnostic who’s rights to believe as he wishes are being infringed upon PERIOD.
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 4:24amI know this will come a a shock to you, asking “WHO MADE GOD”… because you must think that we, humans, evolving from particles exploding and then the explosion stopped… that we must have the mental capacity to comprehend all of the secrets that every existed, every concept. Were you a child ever in your life? When you were, did you understand mortgages or electronics etc?
WE are CHILDREN…we‘re GOD’S Children and we are not yet able to understand ALL the knowledge of the UNIVERSE and beyond…yet… How amazingly arrogant these people are who think just because THEY can’t figure it out…it can’t exist.
ANOTHER PROBLEM with this whole HUMANISTS campaign: GOD desires our free will relationsip with HIM coming to HIM in faith and for guidance. YOUR HUMANISTS (probably spawned by Satan himself) are the opposite of what GOD wants. PS: Satan doesn’t destroy; Satan perverts. IF you can get a whole generation or two of poor, pitiful souls who don’t obey GOD, don’t know GOD, then you have totally perverted GOD’S creation. AIN’T GONNA HAPPEN, DUDE. GOOD try but no cigar. YOU silly people have been around for Centuries… haven’t made much headway, One day if you are fortunate enough to get over yourselves and discover GOD, you will feel like such smucks. …and you will be so grateful to have had the chance to KNOW HIM. HE is the top of the food chain..
Report Post »elfman
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:21pmSo someone’s putting up billboards suggesting people avoid religion… so what. You’re free to put up billboards saying people should avoid humanism (for now). That’s America. Enjoy it.
Report Post »C-Delta Conductor
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:36amAgreed,
TO THE EDITORS OF THE BLAZE!!!!
TO THE WRITERS OF THE BLAZE!!!!
If the Blaze is going to make an article libeling every Atheist group that wants to exercise their free speech to put up a pro-(secular) humanism bill board why don’t they write an equal number of articles about anti-abortion bill boards or “Jesus Loves You” bill boards. I believe in Christ and am against the genocide that is abortion but let’s try on some INTELECTUAL HONESTY for a change.
Report Post »Mickeyd
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:19pm“A fool says in his heart ‘there is no God.’”
Report Post »dealer@678
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:41pmIf ONLY they had attended Rev Jeremiah Wrights church they would have learned that Obama was the King Of Kings And The Lord Of Lords of ALL black people.
Report Post »TexBork
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:09pmHe says, “Can I believe in a God that will help me find my keys and win a ball game but allows hunger in places like Africa?” I guess he doesn’t. He could understand it, but without a relationship with God and the basic knowledge required to build a faith, he may never know the love of God and that’s very unfortunate for him in the log term. Too bad his religious intellect is so short sided that it cannot be overcome by his own knowledge, which is rooted in the based on the unholy ignorance and fallibility of man which he espouses as more truthful than the wisdom and power of God Himself. Still, if he thinks he knows better than God, he will have his time to take his case to Him, eventually. Hope that limited knowledge and self piousness works out for him when he’s in judgement trying to defend himself of his own sin with Jesus unable to testify on his behalf to the Father. That’s hell right people.
Report Post »Goldenyears22
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:19pmWhy do you blame God for hunger, man wants to run the show and they are often very evil people only interested in their own riches and ignore and do nothing to make life better for their subjects. God made a way for us to have a better life and man thinks he is so much better and always failing to make life any better for their people. Do we not see this in our own nation now. A man has come with that age old and failing message that socialism with the government in charge can make things better for us all. It has always failed, but where there is ego and humanistic philosophies they will keep thinking that they are good enough to make it work. It will not work so if a person follows what God has to say, he has a better nation with freedom and prosperity. Man is a failure at goverment without God.
Report Post »silentme63
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:54pmnicely done.
Report Post »70S_KIDS_FIGHTING_SOCIALISM
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:05pmThis is all about timing. They commie-socialist OWN a vast majority of the black population. They did it using segregated black churches now all they have to do is to get rid of any belief in God so there can be more belief in the STATE.
Report Post »TEA PARTY UNTOUCHABLES!!!!!!!!!
Semper4everSemper
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:04pmdeny HIM. Your desires for others to not believe in something (that YOU SAY doesn’t exist-huh?) are tantamount to wanting ‘thought control’ and even though I haven’t been in church but a few times in years, doesn’t mean I would EVER allow you to take away my FAITH AND HOLY BIBLE. I’ve asked this question before and I don’t think I’ve been ‘convinced’ by any atheist (it’s all about convincing right – not a SELF determination right?) JUST WHAT AND WHERE DO YOU DERIVE YOUR SELF WORTH AND VALUES FROM? From the WORLD? From those of us imperfect ‘occupiers’ of the world? If I decided I wanted to start a club that believed in web-footed purple zombies and asked you to join, would you then try to control my THOUGHT (and belief and SPEECH) ON THAT? You say ‘Of course not’ that would be violation of MY Civil Rights. Well that’s where you all are headed in case you haven’t noticed. I’ve never felt before that the few atheists I knew meant me and mine, and fellow Christians harm, but the world’s changing fast. I’ll pray for you and IF unfortunately necessary, be ready for whatever.
Report Post »oct15
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:08pm“(that YOU SAY doesn’t exist-huh?)”
Report Post »these people questioning the belief in god have just as much validity as you claiming that there is one. as another commenter said, the burden of proof lies with the believer.
“JUST WHAT AND WHERE DO YOU DERIVE YOUR SELF WORTH AND VALUES FROM? From the WORLD?”
secular humanists necessarily disbelieve in god and just as necessarily oppose thuggery and tribalism on principle, replacing god with naturalism and thuggery/tribalism with an outgrowth of ethics. of course, many atheists, agnostics, and religious humanists do the same. but when atheists and agnostics adopt positive ethics, they do so for reasons independent of their atheism or agnosticism. when religious humanists defend naturalism, they do so for reasons outside the boundaries of their religious humanism. only for the secular humanist do both commitments arise organically within his or her life stance. humanists affirm an ethical stance that is rooted in the world of experience, objective, and equally accessible to every human who cares to inquire into value issues.
“If I decided I wanted to start a club that believed in web-footed purple zombies and asked you to join, would you then try to control my THOUGHT (and belief and SPEECH) ON THAT?”
this makes just as much sense as a religion based around a book of fairytales written thousands of years ago. your argument is very poor.
Semper4everSemper
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:30pm@Oct15
Report Post »So I concede, you win the argument. But this isn‘t solely about an ’argument’. You still deny Jesus, and I still believe. Let’s walk away with beliefs intact. My argument is poor. That‘s really all it’s about with you guys. You MUST win the argument. And what becomes of me and Christians who refuse to accept your ‘winning’ IF say you and atheists are the ones ‘in charge’ say? You may need to consider some form of ‘control’ over my thinking then? This is my last comment. Feel free……….
oct15
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:35pmi’m not trying to control your thinking, i‘m trying to let you know that you’re allowed to think freely. your beloved bible tells you not to worship false idols, but here you are worshiping glenn beck and his outdated, outrageous, and extremely prejudiced beliefs.
Report Post »C-Delta Conductor
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:15am@oct15: one instant you say that there is equal validity in the belief in God and the disbelief in God then claim that the burden of proof rests on the believer. While this rhetorical trick may affirm your belief, the knife cuts both ways. Science, which is the the fundamental building block in secular humanist philosophy is, in fact, silent on the matter of religion, the supernatural, the intangible, and God for that matter. Note, I did not say that science denies their existence, but that it is SILENT on the matter as it is concerned only with the natural aspects of reality and physical causation. However, secular humanism, as you stated, makes the claim that there (emphatically) is no God. This is not a scientific claim, this is a claim based on faith (that there is no God) and the ethic that tangible, evidential proof based on a “natural” back drop is the only standard for the value of “it is” to be assigned to an object.
So I offer you the same request: prove that the natural world is all that exists. Your only evidence is, inextricably that you have seen no natural evidence of a supernatural world. Similarly I can challenge you that no *natural* being exists that can see and know all reality, thus the possibility of a God is not disproved and my blick based faith (a value judgement between two competing theories that cannot be proven) is thus justified and has the same objective truth as yours.
Report Post »Semper4everSemper
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:03pmxAmerica cannot survive without Christian ‘revival’. The last one was the ‘Jesus Freak’ movement in the late 60’s and early 70’s when I was in college. Although there were some very unorthodox methods used, it mainly moved many, many young people back to/toward Jesus Christ and I’m fairly certain is what allowed us to last this long. The only Atheists the USA faced back then were the Communists, especially the Soviet Bloc. It was just ‘understood’ even then that America was a ‘Christian’ nation. This is now under full fledged assault from the very highest levels of OUR own government. We WILL NOT survive this as the nation we know for very long. I will only say this to those so called atheists who inhabit America – leave Christian Americans alone. You are on the verge of violating MY Civil Rights and even approaching hay8-cryms. The fact that you have a right to deny Jesus Christ does not give you license to foment an ‘atmosphere of h8’ against Christians. Your idea that there is no God is something that you’re entitled to BUT that does not mean you can impinge on my SINCERE BELIEF in Jesus Christ as MY LORD AND SAVIOR. Your problem isn’t with Christians, you have so much contempt for our belief and what you deem as ‘lack of intelligence’ you think it’s ONLY about how much knowledge someone has of Earthly matters and science. What of those of brilliant intellect AND deep faith IN JESUS? NO, your issue is with JESUS
Report Post »BOMUSTGO
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:01pmWhen tou are Spirit filled, there is no doubt at all about what you believe.
Report Post »kozanne
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:18pmCopy that, BOMUSTGO. No other way to live. No other way to hope. No other way to endure.
Report Post »Fearnone
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:00pmThanks for answering all the prayers of our ancestors to make us free, and thanks to you Dr. King for sacrificing so much that we may be as equal as any other man. However, we don’t need either one of you anymore.
Report Post »oct15
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:10pmwho are you talking to?
Report Post »Carlinpa
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:59pmThe answer that atheist allegedly is looking for or had looked for is this. In a perfect world, EVERYONE would claim and assert. ” Oh Jesus I am thee most conscientious , charitable person, for if there was anyone in this PERFECT world who needed food or were in great suffering I would gladly help and do everything to I could to remedy that” Ok.. so now you look and complain to God that there is great suffering and hardship, question, what have YOU done? Do you know why the world is NOT a garden of Eden?
So simple to destroy any atheist argument.. they only know how to attack and insult, we believers walk by faith and thing unseen that self proclaimed intelligible heathens can’t comprehend that concept.
Report Post »ohmy2u
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:57pmI can answer the guy about why children are starving in Africa…God has blessed many with resources and money to feed the world, but many who are able are not. There is a battle going in between good and evil, and this drama is playing out for the universe to see. I believe there are sinless beings on other habitable planets God has created, and they don’t want anything to do with the mess they see on this planet. Some day, there will be no more sin in the universe. God looks forward to that day. It will be like He created it in the beginning, with the added benefit of sin never again arising in the universe. The universe will be secure. If it wan’t for the mercy and intervention of Creator God, there would be chaos everywhere. Satan would destroy all living things if he had his way, but he doesn‘t and he won’t! Jesus has all power in heaven and earth!
Report Post »The Bible shows that Creator God is the only God who can tell the future in advance! If atheists had a proper understanding of Bible prophecy, they would see the pinpoint accuracy of God’s prophecies, and that history proves Bible prophecy to be true!!!!!!! If you want to see those prophecies unfold in your mind, then go to http://www.ohmy2u.blogspot.com and look at the archives. Many an atheist has become a believer when understanding the 2300 year prophecy! There is no refuting the evidence.
http://www.izoominews.blogspot.com
TheDM
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:52pmHow does God simultaneously grant His children the free will with which to do what they want, and know exactly what the future will bring? Is this not mutually exclusive?
Report Post »OBAMA IS A FOUL EVIL TRAITOR
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:50pmThey dont believe in God so they Murder each other for a pair of Sneakers!!
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:31pmMillion of blacks belong to churches,and believe in god…They are not the enemy…Its Obama who seeks to divide us and create hatred;He’s the evil one
Report Post »oct15
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:20pmMCDAVE: why is obama evil? “because glenn beck said so” is not an acceptable answer, by the way.
Report Post »possom
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:46pmCandy a$$‘s won’t go after the muslim’s gee I wonder why!
Report Post »ArgumentumAdAbsurdum
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:55pmshow me in their ads where they target any specific religion.
Report Post »islamhater
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:58pmWake up check this out..Watch both parts..
Report Post »islamhater
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:06pmWow they took my link down about the Illuminati..
Report Post »arvadadan
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:44pmSeems they have forgotten what kind of Dr. Dr. king was…
Report Post »oct15
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:23pmphilosophy.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:38pmThere can be no discussion with you when your primary objective is pointing out your atheism. You should quote your standby Leviticus quotes for emphasis.
Report Post »dealer@678
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:32pmAnd all this time i thought Obama was their God. Hmm
Report Post »Micmac
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:19pmTheir god is NoBama. You can’t take that away from them.
NoBama 2012
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:16pmI get tired of seeing billboards in general no matter what they support.
Stop trying to peddle your thoughts and products on me.
Report Post »A Conservatarian
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:04pmmost excellent.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:36pmNow now MOD,
Twice within the last 24 hours you have been in here praising the free market.
Now you are against billboards advertising products?
Let me guess, right outside of your bedroom window, there is a billboard advertising a Christian bookstore?
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:38pm@Billy
I’m saying me personally, I get annoyed. They have every right to do it.
And no, right outside my window is a wall. :)
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:58pmWell, whoopee %$#@!! They’re free thinkers! I don’t care if these people are white, black, yellow, brown, red, albino, green…They are as far from “free” as can be. They just want others to be in their lost prison with them. Very sad.
Report Post »phillipwgirard
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:32pmThese asses have stolen the term freethinkers and perverted it, like many other things, they are not true freethinkers,,,
Report Post »oct15
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:37pmso what’s the definition of a true free thinker? someone who blindly follows the idelogies of a racist ass like oh, say, glenn beck? hm. think about that, but try not to strain yourself.
Report Post »Leopold
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:42am@DEALER
That was very funny
Report Post »Leopold
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:49am@ OCT15
Are you aware of the fact that Atheists are useful idiots for the devil?
If only the price you pay for that would not be so high.
Report Post »KathleenElsie
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:32amHumanism and Atheism require more unfounded “faith” then belief in a creator. What foundation do they basis their beliefs on? Some how they seem to be able to conjure up matter from nothingness and then see that nothingness become everything. I can’t believe in this, it takes tooo much speculation for me.
Report Post »oct15
Posted on February 5, 2012 at 5:39pm@LEOPOLD: hahaha, “useful idiots for the devil”? please explain.
“Humanism and Atheism require more unfounded “faith” then belief in a creator. What foundation do they basis their beliefs on? Some how they seem to be able to conjure up matter from nothingness and then see that nothingness become everything. I can’t believe in this, it takes tooo much speculation for me.”
they base their beliefs on the natural world. how does it make more sense to you to believe that some invisible being millions of miles above (?) the earth snapped His Almighty Fingers and created everything from nothing than to believe that the universe was once super-hot and dense (approximately 13.7 billion years ago) and that subatomic particles combined and formed atoms, the building blocks of matter? really? how does that require too much speculation from you when there’s decades of scientific research to back it up?
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:58pmWell…..why not. They might as well tell them there is no God as they abort their babies.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:17pmI’m an atheist and personally against abortion. What’s your point?
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:23pmWe all know you’re an atheist, MOD. No further discussion is necessary. You will never understand.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:32pmUnderstand what? I said I’m against abortion.
If you want to stop abortions, you have to win the minds of the people.
A top down Government law will not stop people from getting abortions.
Much like everything else, the Government will mess it up similar to the war on drugs, war on poverty, etc.
Much like the war on drugs, you have to focus on lowering the demand, not the supply.
Simply if people don’t want to get an abortion, they won’t get one.
So focus on changing the individual, not changing the actions that individual can perform. You won’t win that battle.
Report Post »dealer@678
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:37pmIf you start talking about abortion every demon in hell will flood this board. You watch
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:41pmMy obvious point was…….Planned Parenthood was founded by a woman who was anti-God and wanted to rid the world of Blacks. Why would atheists who mostly support abortion not also want to squash one’s eternal hope?
Of course, you’re the perfect atheist example who is here to show us that atheists value human life.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:48pmThanks DEALER. I know. And I am very familiar with MOD’s attempt at conservative views as he spouts his atheism.
Report Post »ArgumentumAdAbsurdum
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:58pmNo one supports abortion. People support the right to choose to have one.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:01pmWell….semantics are a beautiful thing, aren’t they? Murder is really not murder now is it.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:03pmAnd ARGU, that’s has to be the saddest and most ignorant statement I have ever read.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:09pmI just realized, MOD, that your version of atheism is equivalent to a Ron Paul supporter. So many crazies blur any rational discussion. FWIW, you don’t have to continually point out your atheism. We all know how much you hate Christianity.
Report Post »A Conservatarian
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:12pmConceptualizing God is impossible. If you follow logic properly that means a question cant even be raised about existence or nonexistence. Rather, Be. Spirituality is all around, heaven is truly above the head as well as below the feet. Speak to existence, speak to the origin of existence, call it whatever you want: father, benevolent universe, higher power, etc.
Trying to prove or disprove the existence of something that cant be defined or conceptualized though… well, you‘re worse off than a scientist that doesn’t know what he or she is studying and has no idea what scientific method is yet still somehow tries to prove something, lacking all tools and substance to do so.
Report Post »ArgumentumAdAbsurdum
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:16pmsorry copatriots, that honor (most ignorant statement) belongs to virtually all your comments
Report Post »dealer@678
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:17pmRead my earlier comment. ARGU is the first but not the last. You watch
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:20pmThey can argue amongst themselves, DEALER. I’m out for tonight. :-)
Report Post »A Conservatarian
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:28pmI think I smell a reductio ad….. Absurdum :)
Report Post »A Conservatarian
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:31pmCopatriots, I’m a Ron Paul supporter. I‘m not Atheist or Theist and I do not support abortion unless it’s near conception AND a rape case. Sup? Cuz that was a super Troll comment yo.
Report Post »A Conservatarian
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:38pmWow… Blaze even censoring Trolling comments about Dr. Paul on their boards now, ok I’m impressed. That one surprised even me Copatriots that they deleted your comment just talkin crap about Paul as is usual from 75% of the people on this site.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:47pm@COPATRIOTS
Don’t be too hard on MOD now.
Remember, he has Christian friends, he has Jewish friends, and he even has Mormon family members.
And he has no problem at all with any of us practicing the faith of our choice.
That is until he notices it in any way, shape or form.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:16pmWow……not sure I can sink to the level of thinking here but I’ll try to break through…..
Argu…..my goodness, you are using Latin to try to increase the appearance of intellect and it isn’t working for you. Think it through, Darling…….if “no one supports abortion”, how exactly do they occur?
Crazy Conserv…..at no time did I diss your hero, Ron Paul. I commented on the crazy RP followers (not you, of course) who detract from Dr. Paul’s honorable intent.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:17pmHe He! Thanks BILLY! I’ll go a little easier on MOD next time. ; )
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:30pmAnd CONSERV, step away from the weed yo. I think you claim to not be an atheist or deist and don’t support abortion. Um….we agree, I think. Yet, somehow that frightens me.
Report Post »oct15
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:46pm“Argu…..my goodness, you are using Latin to try to increase the appearance of intellect and it isn’t working for you. Think it through, Darling…….if “no one supports abortion”, how exactly do they occur?”
there is a difference between supporting abortion and supporting a woman’s right to choose, and those in favor of womens’ rights and equal rights in general happen to support the latter. i am “pro-choice”, where the opposite would be “anti-choice”, rather than “pro-life”.
Report Post »MAKING ABORTION ILLEGAL WILL *NOT* DECREASE THE NUMBER OF ABORTIONS–IT WILL ONLY MAKE THEM MORE UNSAFE.
what do you guys think about the death sentence? what about bombing other countries? at least 39 executions are claimed to have been carried out in the U.S. in the face of evidence of innocence or serious doubt about guilt, meaning that 39 people were wrongly put to death. thousands of innocent people have been mindlessly slaughtered in the wars overseas, and yet these battles are somehow glorified as ‘GETTIN RID OF THEM TERR’RISTS!’. for shame.
ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:51pm@COPATRIOTS
Haha, oh the lies again. I legitimately hope you pray to your God for forgiveness for repeating lies that you know are untrue.
@Billy
Well that “truce” was short lived, though I never fully understood what you meant by that so whatever. Glad we’ve gone back to our old ways. It honestly felt a little odd for the 6 hours when I wasn’t expecting you to respond to every post I make.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:52pmNo discussion is possible when one thinks supporting “choice” is not the same as supporting “abortion”. Self-deception is quite the balancing act.
Hey atheists, tell me again about your en masse humanist qualities.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:53pmWhat lies, MOD? What an ad hoc, generic response from you! I expected more.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:58pmMODERATIONISBEST Wrote:
“If you want to stop abortions, you have to win the minds of the people.
Much like the war on drugs, you have to focus on lowering the demand, not the supply.”
@MOD
Surely you agree that we will never win the minds of liberals to the point that they will put a stop to abortions.
So in effect, what you are saying is if we let abortion continue at it’s current pace, the left will eventually abort itself in to obscurity, for all intents and purposes.
And by doing so, this will also drastically reduce the “demand” for drugs.
I get it now. It’s kind of like that “natural selection” thingy CHET HEMPSTEAD was taking about in the other story.
Report Post »RationalMan
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:05amTell your Pastor, Priest, Nuns, i.e. to stop masturbating then, because, they’re murdering life!
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:16amHey MOD, meet RATIONALMAN. Do you see how the crazies of your beliefs don’t actually help your cause? And you attack people of faith. What if there were no Christian-based laws and your future depended on like-minded atheists represented here? Stay strong, MOD!
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:32amYea, sorry MOD,
I don’t know what I was thinking either with that “Truce”
I must have had a momentary lapse of reason.
This person seems to be reading the same stuff you do. Don’t let the title fool you when it opens.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=6mlJp_KNgUU
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:36am@Patriot
Sorry I thought the outright lie of, “We all know how much you hate Christianity.” was obvious enough that it didn’t need specific pointing.
Rational man is just making a logical step, it’s why the Catholic church is against contraception and some even thinks condoms are bad.
I would like to hear your answer on this, you may have already answered it but I don’t remember your response. Billy, feel free to respond as well. I will ask it as a question instead of an accusation or statement of fact.
I always hear people praise God, and say how God knew their child before they did. That God formed their child, etc.
If God is all knowing and all powerful, then isn’t the logical conclusion that he is giving babies to women he knows will get an abortion? Even if you argue “free will” if you think God is all knowing and all powerful(so much so that people think God formed their baby, and it wasn’t a natural human process), then isn’t God still giving babies to women he knows will get an abortion? I even think there are women in the Bible who ask God for a baby and they end up becoming pregnant.
I would like to hear your response on this. I know it usually boils down to the thinking that “My God is good, therefore this conclusion could never be true” but I hope you can shed some more light on it.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:42am@Billy
I prefer this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApeFtv_11m8
Though I don’t agree with all of his corrections, I think it’s a very thought provoking video and deals with the difference between fact and faith.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:55am@Billy
To answer your statement of, “Surely you agree that we will never win the minds of liberals to the point that they will put a stop to abortions.”
I thought anything was possible with the power of God and God on your side?
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:22amMOD says:
“To answer your statement of, “Surely you agree that we will never win the minds of liberals to the point that they will put a stop to abortions.”
“I thought anything was possible with the power of God and God on your side?”
Mod, that statement proves you know not what you profess to know.
Put an atheist in a room with a gallon of paint and a brush and he will paint himself in to a corner every time.
If you can’t figure out where you went wrong there, I’ll make it easy for you………………Go ask one of your Christian friends.
But be sure to ask nicely.
Report Post »RationalMan
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:29amcopatriots
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:16am
Hey MOD, meet RATIONALMAN. Do you see how the crazies of your beliefs don’t actually help your cause? And you attack people of faith. What if there were no Christian-based laws and your future depended on like-minded atheists represented here? Stay strong, MOD!
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I never said I was an Atheist, did I? ;)
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:35amHey Mod,
I like this video even better still.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9KfeL8t-7c
It’s like a parade of fools. I’ll bet every one of those dipwads is a regular poster here.
Thanks to Youtube, the whole world will soon be able to put faces to the words they have been reading.
Intellectuals……….uhuh……..yup.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:37am@Billy
Good answer, you really proved your point with a valid explanation and examples. In the time you took dodging my question and mocking me, you could have gave a legitimate answer to my response.
I get annoyed with this. Religious people can’t even get a consensus on what their own book says, it’s really ridiculous.
I hear people say, “God gave us this land.“ ”God can move mountains, God can do this, God can do that.”
Then I simply ask, “What about this?”
and I get back a “You don‘t know what you’re talking about!” response.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:40am@THERIGHTSOFBILLY
So basically you’re saying these guys are the Pat Robertsons or Jerry Falwells of Atheism?
Every group has their lunatics. What’s your point?
Report Post »RationalMan
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:43amcopatriots
BTW, don’t assume these Priest and Nuns are “Holy-Than-Thou“ how many ”ABORTION” have they performed? Tough question, because, you wouldn’t know unless, you sneak up on them! ;)
Foot Soldiers (Human-Gods) on the march tonight!!!! ;)
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:50am@Billy
From the short snippet I watched, because it is really irrelevant to me what these guys say(as I’m sure what they have to say is irrelevant to you too).
All I heard was, “when it comes to near death experience with Christians, or Muslims, etc they almost always see their God or the God that is prevalent in their society.”
Which is usually true. While there have probably been people of a Christian faith, who had a “near death experience” and saw Allah, or vice versa or anything possible, it is likely very rare.
I would also argue that near death experiences are irrelevant because they are by definition, experiences you had when you didn’t die. Your brain can do crazy things on a limited oxygen supply.
It’s why I never understood why it would be relevant for anybody say, “Oh well I had a friend who was a Muslim and became a Christian.” as it is some evidence to the proof of their claim that Jesus is the one true God.
There are people converting to different religions every day.
There are Christians to Muslims
Mormons to Christians, Christians to Mormons
Jew to Christianity
There are even Atheists who become Christian, or Mormon, or Muslim
There are Christians, Muslim, Mormons becoming Atheist, or just Deists
Someone “converting” to something else doesn’t give any evidence to their claims.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:54amGood grief MOD,
That video you linked to is like an atheistic propaganda brainwashing flick with a soundtrack from hell.
If I watched that 3 times in a row I would probably walk around with a blank stare on my face just like…………oh, I’m sorry, I’ll stop talking now.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:59am@Billy
Keep spewing lies, it shows who you are.
Keep getting personal, it keeps me entertained.
Keep not answering my posts and just saying, “You don’t understand.” It lets me know your true thoughts on the subject.
Anyways, i’m done for the night. I once again look forward to you needlessly responding to posts I make on here.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:05amMOD says:
“So basically you’re saying these guys are the Pat Robertsons or Jerry Falwells of Atheism?
Every group has their lunatics. What’s your point?”
MOD, my point is that with the sample size of atheism as a whole being very small to begin with, just a few “lunatics” translates to a statistically large portion of the group.
Find me a sane looking and reasonable sounding atheist on youtube. I’m still looking.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:19amWhat lies MOD?
I just re-read all my posts, not a single false claim.
And Mod, it is not possible to argue any points of contention with you.
Every one of your “talking point” claims has been asked and answered dozens of times, by dozens of posters.
But it matters not to you, because you are here to to just keep hammering those same lame points over and over and over again, in hopes that some weak minded soul will latch on to your words and become one of you.
JZS does the same thing day after day, only with political topics, rather than atheist / Christian topics.
You know how you said the owsers do their cause no good the way they portray themselves in public?
Pot?……kettle?……black?
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:27amAnd MOD,
That big long post of yours up above…….the one that speaks about converting.
If you are going to copy and paste your old material over and over again, at least let us know by saying something like…..here’s something I have said previously.
That is verbatim from a few weeks ago.
Report Post »A Conservatarian
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:38amCopatriots… I thought the comment disappeared, looked around now and find you’re correct, there’s your quote. It happened to me earlier tonight on another article, 3 comments deleted on after another, yes really.
Anyhow, why speak of Ron’s honorable intent and say “I just realized, MOD, that your version of atheism is equivalent to a Ron Paul supporter”
Please do explain that cluser**** of a comment considering your latest revalation. And I am not a theist or an atheist simple because I said exactly what I did. It’s not scary to realize the word God has no concept or definition, it‘s only scary to realize you’ve been using it for decades as if it did have concept or definition. I did the same thing too for a couple decades, then I started understanding logic lots better.
Don’t be scared, you‘ll never see me say it’s foolish to believe in God or God exists or doesn’t. I can’t say any of that, not without bull-crapping myself massively. I mean everything I said up there :) If you have the positions you do, Dr. Paul should be at the top of your list and I‘m curious why he’s not given some of your very logical thoughts so far.
Report Post »A Conservatarian
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:57amI’ve spoken up on this topic more and more, when I should wait for people to find this info on their own. Here is how communication works, when we say a word or words, the words either have concrete definitive meaning or they don’t. Words such as Tree, Dog, Mathematics, Logic, Experience, Nothing, Everything, Thing – all hold valid concepts. Tree – you think of limbs, trunk, roots, etc – all experiences available of tree flood the mind. Ditto dog… Mathematics is a little more difficult, as say a dog or tree, but it is still very real, definable, postulate-able, proof-able. Math is the expansion of the unit. Logic is even more difficult as that concept describes the activity you undertake in identifying the existents about and around the sensory perceptions feeding information for definition and concept. Logic is the art by which we identify existence/existent things. A thing – even more obscure as even the imagination – is real THING (made up of chemicals in the mind), we can imagine any – THING we want. A Unicorn, is not real yet is an imaginary thing of built of available experience.
God on the other hand has what experience cannot provide – and do not tell me of history of man, tell me of actual god, not a man‘s or woman’s tale. Give me concrete definition of what God is, well we can‘t call God a thing and we can’t call God ANY-thing. Accepting God is not a thing means any definable word cannot apply to God nor concept: GOD. All words are things. (cont)
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:00pmSorry MOD and BILLY. Signed off after that last comment. I’ll no doubt catch up with you on another thread, MOD, to address your question that I have seen you post several times. The one concerning why God allows babies to be conceived to those he knows will abort them. I certainly can’t speak for God but I can give you my understanding on that topic.
As to you hating Christianity, that was no lie, it is my understanding from reading your comments for weeks. I can’t quote you verbatim but have seen you take every opportunity to discredit Christians and their faith. Perhaps you are right, it isn’t Christianity you hate so much as it is a general rebellion against God. I apologize if I mischaracterized that intensity.
Be well until we meet again.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:43pmAs far as my things being verbatim I would argue that it’s incorrect because I am sitting here typing every time. I don‘t think I’ve ever copy and pasted the same argument on this site once, but I could be mistaken. Do I rehash questions or statements I’ve made before? yes but that‘s because I usually don’t get answers.
From what I’ve seen in the past, when I make the allegation of “God gives babies to women he knows will get an abortion” I usually only get back a “THAT’S NOT TRUE!” and then people spew some Bible verses where they rationalize it to fit what they’re saying.
I’m arguing the logical stand point that if God is all knowing, and all powerful, then he gives babies to women he knows will get an abortion. Please point out the error in my logic. You will gain credit especially if you can do it without quoting scripture.
If the only “answer” you can give is, “Well my God is good, so that’s not true.” That’s fine, but at least admit it.
If God is all powerful, that prayer works, and I constantly hear people say, “Anything is possible with God” and then I ask, “Well what about this?” and the only thing I get in response is, “You obviously don’t know anything about Christianity” isn’t the necessary step to ask why that is?
Fact is, I came through this post and actually took into consideration that I like you as a person, and decided instead of a “ vitriolic ” statement about God, asked in a nice manner what YOUR take is o
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Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:58pm@Billy
The fact is in this very thread, I didn’t make an accusation about God doing something that then got responded by tons and tons of people making accusations at me. There are not a ton of people responding on this thread, so it would have been very easy to explain what you think and why you think it.
In the midst of our conversation, I calmly and cleanly asked you a legitimate question pertaining to the logical conclusions of the power of your God and you showed ZERO interest in explaining it to me. Instead you go into your patent mocking of, “oh go easy on MOD, don’t forget he has religious friends constantly talking about God, blah blah” and spouting lies of how I am just continually quoting myself verbatim when it’s patently false. Have I asked similar questions but in different fashions? Yes, but are they verbatim? No
You showed how you really are when out of the blue, you come at me with an unnecessary “truce” like you hate me or something, and then less than 24 hours you once again start responding needlessly to every post I make, especially ones where I’m just commenting on the article(much like the billboard where I say I’m tired of seeing billboards, and you come back at me with some nonsense from another article that is irrelevant).
When responding to your “truce” I calmly said that I never had a problem with you in the first place…….how evil of me.
Anyways, I’m done with you, but I‘m sure you’ll follow me around so see you
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Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:07pm@COPATRIOTS
I would be interested to hear your “understanding” on the topic, but please don’t come at me with,”It’s also all true” as many people do.
You yourself said you can’t speak for God, which is a great admission, but you can only speak to your understanding is. A lot of people fail to see that the next logical conclusion could be, “maybe my understanding is wrong.”
I’m not saying that your understanding IS wrong, but a lot of people won’t admit that they COULD be wrong.
The fact is, the Bible was written by men, who said there were inspired by God. Throughout the Bible, all we hear is about the wickedness of man, how fallible we are and how we are motivated by things like greed, power, influence and we are susceptible to error, delusion and other things that make us fallible.
When asked why those humanly traits don‘t apply to Jesus’s disciples, it then comes down to “faith” that what they did and what they said is all true.
The Bible as you see it today came into formation over long periods of time, by many different men who looked through many writings that formed the Bible you see now. It has then been translated numerous times, so much so that I hear believers say “You have to look at the original Hebrew” when it suits them, but then reject when nonbelievers point out the original Hebrew for errors. Why would God allow his holy book to become so horribly translated that I have to know original Hebrew?
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:14pmI will not even go into the claims that the writings in the Bible weren‘t even written in the time of Jesus’s supposed life, death and resurrection, but many decades after by people using hearsay accounts of what had supposedly happened.
I will only bring that up as a possible claim, but I won’t use that as “evidence” because ultimately it is not provable by me. I wish believers were able to make the same admission.
My ultimate argument comes down to If you want to believe that stuff, fine. If you feel it makes you a better person, or that you couldn’t live your life without God, or any other reason then I’m more then happy for you to have such beliefs and would encourage them. But don‘t come at me saying that it’s all true and that I should live my life by it or I’m going to receive an eternal torture. Don’t actively vote in politicians who want to create legislation to force people to conform their lives to your set of beliefs.
That is all.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:09pmSorry MOD I was catching you on a different thread. There’s a few responses over there. But I’ll come here instead. I don‘t have a lot of time right now so we’ll see how far we get. :-)
Have you seen this link I’ve posted before? I highly recommend it. I watched your link above and actually agreed with many of the corrections. You are correct that Christians assert truths instead of what they believe to be true. Because bottom line, it is about faith. We can’t prove what we believe. I know it’s a little “church-y” but I think you will respect Dr. Baucham’s intellect. In your search for answers, did you ever read C.S. Lewis?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPNraxxxRO8
It wasn’t just that the Bible was written by men. I consider the culture at that time. And who was educated and even able to write. The testimony of the numerous people involved. That they didn’t understand or believe at first (Peter denied knowing Jesus) but after Jesus died they were all willing to risk their very lives, including torture. I would die for my faith but torture would be very difficult for me.
Surely, the disciples were human and had their weaknesses and faults. To me, that is what makes their testimony worthy. Wouldn’t they have edited out the parts that showed their faults? I would have. Saul was approving the stoning of Christians and begged to go after them to imprison or kill them before his road to Damascus experience.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:20pmAs to the authorship and translations of the Bible, Dr. Baucham speaks to that if you watch the video link I noted above. I encourage you to take an hour of your time to watch the entire video.
I am currently studying the Book of James. It is believed to be the earliest book written in the NT and authored by Jesus’ half-brother. Given the exhaustive writings and archaeological findings, (I know you weren’t making the validity of the writings an issue but you did note it), I really don’t think discounting the writings is worthy of much discussion.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:27pmAs to you final comment about what I believe and how I vote, I have more to comment on that but not the time right now to get to it. Plus, I want to reflect on it further out of respect for you. At first blush I will say, I could no more separate my faith from my desires for this country anymore than the Founding Fathers could. I surely wouldn’t force my beliefs on you no more than you could force your beliefs on me. What good would that do? But you happen to live in a country that has Judeo-Christian foundations. No matter how much revisionist history is being written….it can’t change the truth. I believe that foundation is as necessary today as it was then and will surely vote and will fight for it to remain intact.
Must go for now. Have a great day!
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:30pm@COPATRIOTS
I will watch the video later today and this will be my last response to you on this article. I have already messaged you back on the other article so we will just discuss on there.
And as you said, it goes down to “faith” because as you said even with the book of James, “It is BELIEVED to be written by Jesus’s half brother.”
Aren’t a lot of the original authors unknown, especially regarding the OT?
The reason I can‘t make the jump into any religion is because I don’t like asserting truth where I don’t have it, especially regarding something like eternal damnation, etc. I just can’t do that, it’s not how I am, and if I end up in an eternal torture for simply “unbelief” then so be it.
It is why when arguing I always say that “I don’t think there is a God, but I could be wrong.” I then ask believers to make the same statement in reverse(usually it’s because they are mocking me saying how I claim to be all knowing and so sure of myself), but they boil their “faith” down to “fact” and are more sure of themselves then they claim I am. I have heard people say that their belief in Jesus is both fact based and faith based. Well sorry, I won’t let anyone get away with that one without questioning them. lol
Anyways, I’ll look for your responses on the other thread.
Report Post »godhatesacoward
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:53pmGood luck with that one.
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:53pmIt always amazes me how far down the ladder they have to crawl to find some black, that was almost successful at doing something. With all of history to pick from you would think there would be at least one honest to goodness true black leader/innovator somewhere in history.
Report Post »OBAMA IS A FOUL EVIL TRAITOR
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:53pmThey Innovated CAR JACKING!
Report Post »ArgumentumAdAbsurdum
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:09pmYou like Air Conditioning, traffic lights, typewriters, spark plugs, refrigerators, elevators, automatic transmission? All invented by black people.
Report Post »DETROIT JOHN
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 11:23amThe real McCoy black inventer 1800′s
Report Post »BonnieBlueFlag
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:52pmIf I was black, I certainly wouldn’t trade Jesus Christ for Charles Darwin. I might come to some harsh conclusions about myself and my race i.e. subspecies.
If it’s “survival of the fittest” then the Dark Continent can go dark.
Report Post »Melvin Spittle
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:49pmThe military is in the process of transitioning from Chaplains to faith counselors. Faith counselors are easier to control while chaplains are getting in the way of major policy changes such as the repeal of DADT and gay marriage. The current administration is sick and tired of how inconvenient God has become for them and that He is an obstacle to their evil intent.
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:57pmLink?
Report Post »Stoic one
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:08pmSACREDHONOR1776
Report Post »It has been in the news all week. Faith based health care institutes MUST provide birth control devices, and IF i understood correctly – abortions.
SacredHonor1776
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:17pmHuh, what does that have to do with military chaplains being transitioned to faith councelors?
I already know about the ‘forced’/‘mandatory’ thing in church owned hospitals…
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