Atheists Award 12-Year-Old With $1,000 for This Passionate Speech Against Gov’t Prayer
- Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:04pm by
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Maia Disbrow (Photo Credit: FFRF)
Maia Disbrow, a 12-year-old from Hamilton County, Tennessee, is $1,000 richer after publicly protesting against government prayer. The young girl received the honor from the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF), an atheist group based in Madison, Wisconsin, after she delivered a speech at a Hamilton County Commissioners meeting.
In her July 18 address, Disbrow encouraged local leaders to drop prayers at their meetings. According to a release put out by the FFRF, she got involved in the anti-faith activism after she saw her father complain about the prayers at an earlier meeting. According to the organization, the young girl decided on her own that she wanted to speak out against what she views as a violation of the separation of church and state.
“I realized that there were some things I’d like to say to them. It took me a while to decide because even though I go to a middle school for the arts that is supposed to accept everyone, I was worried,” Disbrow said. “During elementary school, I was bullied about my beliefs and whenever the subject of my religion, or lack thereof, came up, my social status dropped for a few days.”
The young girl went on to claim that the local politicians are acting “like a bunch of fifth-grade bullies.” So, she penned and delivered the speech that can be viewed, below:
“The prayer was very rude to me,” she said of the commissioners’ prayers at government meetings. “It is not fair for you to pray openly to your God without praying to all the others as well.”
Here’s a full transcript of her testimony:
Good morning. My name is Maia Disbrow, and I am twelve years old. I am a perfectly normal young adult, although some of my friends would beg to differ.
I was present at the meeting at which my dad spoke. The prayer was very rude to me and some of my closest friends, not to mention parts of my family.
My dad did not put me up to this. I came because I care about this and things like it. All through elementary school, I was teased and ridiculed by people who I thought were my friends. Whenever the subject of me being a freethinker came up, I was singled out. By my friends. You are doing the same thing that they did to me at every meeting you have. Singling me out. Singling out every single person in Hamilton County who is not Christian.
It is not fair for you to pray openly to your God without praying to all the others as well. I believe a moment of silence would accommodate all beliefs, not just one. And after speaking today, I hope I have some friends left at school next year.
Good day.
Prayer has become an issue of significance in Hamilton County, with residents Tommy Coleman and Brandon Jones (a secular humanist and an atheist) filing a July 3 federal lawsuit over invocations uttered before board meetings.
(H/T: WRCBTV.com)
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Eric_The_Red_State
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:52pmWatch John Stossel on “Why people cheat”
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They cheat when they think “everybody else is doing it”
They cheat when they think “One would not be noticed”
They cheat when they see others cheating
They cheat when they see the bad guys cheating ——-
But introduce the 10 commandments into the picture — and the cheating stops.
Now I don’t care if you believe in God or not…. but …..
I think that UNLESS you have a basis for morals and for your conscience — then you will eventually sell what is left of your soul – one piece at a time – until you are empty inside.
My suggestion to “athiests” is – you don’t have to believe in god — but you cannot deny the POWER of believing in god.
You can SEE that.
Report Post »It’s all around you in inventions and creativity and charity.
The_Knower
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:02pmAll this from a segment with John Stossel? Please, there are more rigorous, accurate ways of finding out things than watching one guy prove his opinions by making faulty experiments designed to prove his point from the get-go.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:02pmRED — that is so asinine it is hilarious.
The Ten Commandments does not automatically stop people from cheating.
Report Post »watersRpeople
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:03pmPeople cheat because far too many wives, and far too many husbands are not actually with their significant others. The Lord brings your wife to you just as he brought Eve to Adam. And if you aren’t with your wife, then it leaves people feeling like something is amiss.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:10pmBruce, nothing automatically stops bad behavior. All one can do is try to convince those with bad behavior that they are demonstrating bad behavior. Don’t let them live in a world of perpetual denial, i.e., let the losers know that they are losers.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:15pmWaters: so Eliasium/ JUSTTIM is back with a new name but the same old garbled Trolls.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:22pm@Bruce P. No sh*t Sherlock. The book of Kings, Chronicles, Isaiah, Jeremiah and Jonah are full of such stories. People don’t care about the Truth and natural Law even if God shows it to them himself, speaks it to you, and writes it down for you with his own finger. The people in return make their own idols and flick the finger to God. It’s all in recorded in the Bible. People don’t care. We et it. God gets it. You’re no one special.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:43pmAt the opening of each day’s session of the Supreme Court the Justices stand, while one of their officials invokes the protection of God. Since the days of John Marshall, the Crier has said, “God save the United States and this Honorable Court.” Both the Senate and the House of Representatives open their daily sessions with prayer. Every President, from George Washington to Barack Obama, has, upon assuming his Office, asked the protection and help of God, and taken his Constitutional Oath on the Holy Bible.
All fifty state constitutions mention God, and thank him for blessings of civil and religious liberty.
One of the stanzas of our National Anthem reads, “Blest with victory and peace, may the heav’n rescued land. Praise the Pow’r that hath made and preserved us a nation, Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just. And this be our motto ‘In God is our Trust.’”
President John Adams declared May 9, 1798 as “a day of solemn humility, fasting, and prayer,“ during which citizens of all faiths were asked to pray ”that our country may be protected from all the dangers which threaten it”.
I find the girl’s speech to be rude, disrespectful to our national heritage, and misguided. She is either misinformed or in denial about our true history.
Report Post »IsThereADifference
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 2:33pmLet me be the first to say: Who give a **** what a 12-year old thinks about ANYTHING?
Report Post »ShadowNglasS
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 2:37pmEric, you nailed it and very eloquently. The Progs got what they wanted, commandments out of school, gov buildings and on and on. They pulled it off, now we all are paying the price.
Remove God, Jesus and the Bible from a free people, then it’s anything goes. Any deviate behavior will be fair game.
Useful Idiots, will be just like the rest of when they achieve there ultimate socialist utopia. TEA
Report Post »The_Knower
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 2:40pmColt, some of the founding fathers owned slaves. Since you basically think that the founding fathers’ personal lives should be used as a basis for American policy because you keep quoting them, how many slaves do you want?
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 2:53pm@The_Knower LMAO! X2!
Nice way to avoid a legit discussion, change the subject, and not actually dispute anything I said with real sources, like every other atheist and liberal. Next, you’ll mentino sky gods, the tooth fairy, and Jefferson’s secret affair? Thanks for your input.
Washington tried to free his slaves, as did many others, but the laws of Virginia made it nearly impossible to do so, as it was in other states. Most of our founding fathers were against slavery, and inherited the practice. The only reason slavery was made lawful by our Constitution was so that the Southern states would ratify the constitution. It was a compromise, for at that time, independence from Great Britain was of the upmost importance. I did not quote the “personal lives” of the founding fathers. I‘ve only quoted what they’ve said as public figures. BTW, I love how you liberals hold double standards. It’s more funny than pathetic. LOL. I‘m pretty sure Jefferson’s famous letter was a personal, private letter. LOL.
Report Post »Captain Crunch
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 3:54pm@The_Knower
We don’t need to have slaves. Liberals have enslaved themselves to stupidity.
Report Post »willost
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 4:55pm@Eric_The_Red_State
Spot on brother!
Report Post »limitfree
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 5:45pmThere is no denying the power of faith. But faith is but another free choice EACH of us can and must make for ourselves. Faith can move mountains, but it usually works by inspiring thousands of people with shovels. I can’t move a mountain by myself, no matter how strong my faith. Each human has a natural, god given RIGHT, to believe as he chooses. Faith is a choice, subject to universal and soveriegn individual LIBERTY. Morals are what you impose upon yourself. Ethics are what we CHOOSE and AGREE to live by. In America it’s not about faith, or religion, but it’s about FREEDOM of religion, the rule of law, and equal justice under law. In America all forms of religious faith and worship tradition are considered equal in the eyes of the law, with the individual FREE TO CHOOSE, and the government PROHIBITED from infringement of the rights and liberty of ANY individual.
Report Post »DrunkGOP_Hack
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 8:19pmNo different then the Gays, lesbians and transgenders.
WE’RE all suppose to go with the MINORITY that WHINES the loudest?
REALLY!?
Little girl needs to be a free thinker and not like her parents.
She really called her self a YOUNG ADULT?
She doesn’t even have the capacity to DIGEST ABSTRACT THOUGHT!
ANOTHER FLUKE IN THE MAKINGS. A P!SSED OFF LESBIAN ABORTION GOD HATING, MAN BERATING FEMALE.
WHINE, WHINE, WHINE!
Report Post »VanceUppercut
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:03pm@Eric_The_Red_State
So, Christian‘s don’t cheat? or lie? or steal? or cheat on their wives? Okayyyy.
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:30pm[In her July 18 address, Disbrow encouraged local leaders to drop prayers at their meetings.]
Report Post »They’re on my time and on my dime. They have their church and their homes to conduct their private lives. It is not the role or the right of “government” to pray with our tax dollars.
DYNA
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:08am@Pontiac
To the extent that “government” consists of people, they are going to choose to do something with their thoughts and time on the government “dime”. Based on how government has been increasingly wasting our “dime” without prayer, engaging in real prayer might give them the conscience and wisdom not to waste every ones time and our “dime” anymore.
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 11:29am@DYNA
[“government” consists of people]
People that are in no way my church or priest and need to stop putting on a dog and pony show.
(see Matthew 6:5-6)
[Based on how government has been increasingly wasting our “dime” without prayer,]
So justify wasteful behavior with…wasteful behavior. Yeah…
[engaging in real prayer might give them the conscience and wisdom not to waste every ones time and our “dime” anymore.]
Report Post »Oh, real prayer eh? Now you’re talking…
http://tinyurl.com/8jxfbj9
Dorugremon
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 4:56pmIsThereADifference:
“Let me be the first to say: Who give a **** what a 12-year old thinks about ANYTHING?”
I do, and so should you. If you don’t give a **** you can be sure that someone else *will*, and you very well may not like what that someone else will be saying to that 12 y/o about whom you don’t care.
Report Post »ALPHAMEL
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 11:23pmI’m an avowed atheist….married to a practicing Catholic. I have NO PROBLEM with Judeo – Christianity or its symbols. I regard America and Canada as Nations founded by Christians. I’m not threatened or offended by mention of God or Jesus or prayers or heritage symbols in tax-paid public places. I only ask for my own freedom to be an atheist – which this Christian, tolerant society affords me. I do not wish to limit expressions of other peoples faiths – excepting Islam which is intolerant and intolerable and is anathema to American values. This free thinking young adult is trying to impose her views on her Christian neighbours and as a fellow secular humanist I disagree with her.
Report Post »Besides with the threat of Islamist Jihadists spreading in our midst a show of Christian Faith to counter that isn’t so bad! Funny how my fellow atheists remain silent in the face of Islam – a REAL threat to society.
Pontiac
Posted on August 13, 2012 at 12:53am[I’m an avowed atheist]
I’m doubting that.
[I do not wish to limit expressions of other peoples faiths]
Unless someone wants to express their disbelief on government property and on the tax payers dime, right?
[Funny how my fellow atheists remain silent in the face of Islam]
Report Post »Are you def?
Bruce P.
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:51pmHow long before people here starts threatening this young lady with violence, or calling her names like “whore” and “slut”?
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:03pmShe’s simply wrong. Only a liberal would think along the lines that you have.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:03pmLooks like you beat us to the punch.
Report Post »hi
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:10pmWhat do atheists teach their children about sex anyway? Read my post about the “fluid” girls. Do most atheists think anything goes?
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:17pmTHE_JERK, SQUIDVETOHIO — Do not tell us only liberals would behave in such a way. Any time there is a story about a female atheist, these forums are filled with threats and wishes of violence against her and filled with attacks on her supposed sexual activities.
Look at the comments in this thread. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/teen-atheist-behind-prayer-mural-ban-threatened-with-rape-we-will-get-you-look-out/
Right there, along with saying only liberals would do this and that she’s making it all up to get attention, there are the good Christians calling her names and hoping she has violence brought upon her…
Report Post »The_Knower
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:25pmStop trying, Bruce. They’ll just skip over your link, filled to the brim with evidence, and say, “nuh-uh!”
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:25pm@Bruce P. Obviously you’ve never been to a Gay pride parade where one peaceful street preacher shows up and is insulted, assaulted, and spit upon by those who “preach” tolerance and respect. What a bunch of baloney.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:25pmBruce, for proof why go to another thread. You have done that which you accuse others of doing. You are the only one to have done so. You’re a stone thrower castigating people who throw stones.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:32pmOr this thread…http://www.theblaze.com/stories/teen-atheist-behind-prayer-mural-ban-threatened-with-rape-we-will-get-you-look-out/
…a whole lot of “liberals” threatening the young lady and calling her names
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:33pmTHE_JERK — that is interesting. When did I refer to her as such?
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:34pmHI — once again, peddling lies.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:37pmCOLT — I didn‘t say both sides didn’t do it.
But something you said is very interesting…how many gay pride parades have you been to?
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:46pmLOL. ZERO. Haven’t you ever heard of YouTube?
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:48pmBruce, the only person to use the terms – “whore” and “slut”- was you. I can not make this any clearer. Let’s agree that you are like those that you now criticize. My point is that you are no different.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 2:08pmTHE_JERK — there is quite a difference between calling for violence against someone or calling them names and criticizing someone for doing those things. I never called her those names, whatsoever. Any clear, thinking smart person would be able to recognize that. I was criticizing how Christians treat atheist women. And I gave examples.
So no, what I am doing is not the same as calling her those names.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 2:11pmAnd no, THE_JERK — we will not agree I am just like those I am criticizing. Because at no time did I call her those names or even imply those names apply to her.
What a pathetic attempt to cover up for your brave, brave fellows.
You are a coward. Nothing but a coward. Not only do you pick on a 12 year old girl, you weak little man, but you cover for those who do so.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 2:36pmBruce, how did you know that I am a weak little man? Are your women talking again?
Report Post »hayesstephen
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 2:36pmHey everyone a White Liberal Trash spreader just walked in!! White Liberal Trash can’t wait to start trouble. Lie, steal, cheat, suborn, slander, libel, defame! I don’t think anyone will call that child any of those names except of course Liberal Trash pretending to be from the left. You nasty twisted life draining monsters won‘t be happy until Sharia Law becomes Nobama’s strongest tool. When that happens you louts will not be protesting or calling your new Masters Muslim name, they will stone you to death in a heart beat. Laugh and cut the fool now, when Nobama declares martial law and shuts down the internet you won’t find life in this Once Beautiful Country so beautifu. You are cutting your own throats you twits.!!
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 2:44pmLOL. Is someone holding a double standard?
When’s the last time a group of atheists or liberals held a Restore Honor event, were able to unite tens of thousands of folks to come to a Restore Love event, (and I don‘t mean a hippie ’love fest’), and actually do some charity work? Last time I checked, the OCW movement caused public disorder, rioting, vandalism, and disobedience to the Law.
Report Post »God_Is_Not
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 9:20pmTell us more about all your ‘charity’, Colt. Maybe you’ll eventually start to feel better about yourself…
Report Post »DrunkGOP_Hack
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 9:50pmBRUCE – how about this?
Report Post »You’re a attention whore, and typing SLUT with the intelligence of DRYER LINT!
colt1860
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 9:52pm@God_Is_Not Charity means more than just what modern ignorant people think today. Charity means to love your neighbour, to willingly serve your neighbour, to help out someone in need, to be kind and show compassion, to have a good will towards others, etc. Doing these things feels really good, and I enjoy helping others. I rejoice when someone in need is surprised by the tender affection of a stranger. I have joy in seeing others happy. There’s nothing wrong with seeking the happiness of my fellow citizen and neighbor. Am I suppse to feel bad or guilty of some wrong for expressing these views, and hoping others may do the same? I don’t make myself out to be better than others, but hope to set an example that others may also do the same. That is, treat others as you would like to be treated. Is it wrong to share such testimonies? Am I suppose to feel shameful and regret the good I’ve done?
Report Post »RobbieTLHughie
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:38pmYoure absolutely right about this and anyone who isnt a blazer can see it. Sorry guys you lose this round, the_jerks arguement is so bad it hurts…
Report Post »KenInIL
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 4:31amThe ******** would let 12 year old vote if they thought it would help their cause. 12-year olds should stick to Sunday school and singing the Star Spangled Banner at baseball games.
Report Post »ERP
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 11:05am@Bruce P.
You are such a dolt.
You act just like every liberal who cries “racist” when people oppose the policies of your beloved President Obama. A few nitwits who claim they are Christian or Conservative that say some nasty things doesn’t give you the right to be stupid by painting a VERY broad brush.
Pathetic little worm.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 11:14amYou have a mental disorder called “Projecting”. You should get some help.
Report Post »Dorugremon
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 5:01pmBruce P.:
“How long before people here starts threatening this young lady with violence, or calling her names like whore and slut?”
They’ve been doing that all along:
“All through elementary school, I was teased and ridiculed by people who I thought were my friends. Whenever the subject of me being a freethinker came up, I was singled out. By my friends”.
All too many who call themselves “Christian” are *far* worse enemies of Christianity than any Atheist could ever hope to be.
Report Post »this1can
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:49pmThis was one of the things that started us down this path we’re on today. people complaining that they don’t want to hear it or be a part of it. if you don’t want to hear it get up and leave. Its the only way to get us back on track. good Vs evil praying and praising and thanking the Lord is not evil. Some day soon everyone is going to know and see that we needed to pray.its was the only way out of this mess. theres going to be an awakening soon and the news won’t have to cover it. we’re all going to be there to see it first hand. I pray that the path widens. Love/pray
Report Post »The_Knower
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:55pmPrayer is for the people who want the credit of helping the world without lifting a finger.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:05pmThe Knower: “Prayer is for the people who want the credit of helping the world without lifting a finger.”
Actually, the takers tend to be liberal progressives… just like this little, abnormal, girl.
Report Post »The_Knower
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:11pmSo, you switched out the “Prayer” in my sentence for “Liberal policies”. Why does switching out a word in my original post make your point any more valid than mine?
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:21pmThe Knower, you’ve simply missed the point. You’re conclusion, about prayer and not lifting a finger, is the foolishness. My point was to demonstrate to you that those who pray, don’t seek credit. That conclusion comes from a broken mind. The other point is, those who like to take from others without lifting a finger are the ones who are always opposed to prayer… the liberal progressives.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:32pmGood thing she wasn’t present with her father when the Declaration of Independence was written.
“We hold these TURTHS TO BE SELF-EVIDENT, that all men are CREATED equal, that they are endowed by their CREATOR with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness… We, therefore, THE REPRESETATIVES OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing TO THE SUPREME JUDGE OF THE WORLD for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare… And FOR THE SUPPORT OF THIS DECLARATION, WITH A FIRM RELIANCE ON THE PROTECTION OF DIVINE PROVIDENCE, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.”
And good thing she wasn’t present with Madison, Mason and Jefferson when they wrote Virginia’s Bill of Rights, wherein it states, “it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian forbearance, love, and charity, towards each other.”
Why aren’t more Americans standing up against these deluded liberals and phony “free thinkers”?
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:36pmTHE_JERK — According to THE_JERK only “liberals” would insult this girl.
And there he is, the hypocrite, the liar, calling her names. What a brave man.
Report Post »chips1
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:45pmTHE_KNOWER:
Report Post »I just lifted my finger!!!
termyt
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:48pmWow. great, enlightening discourse. Way to debate the finer points, folks.
She does have a point. A moment of silence would be respectful to all in attendance. It is not right to say “if you don’t like it, leave” when the event is a City Council meeting. That‘s basically saying that if you don’t agree with the prayer, you can not do business with the City Council.
But I do disagree with the assertion that the child is being punished for “free thinking.” This is used time and again by atheists and implies that there is no free thought in Christians. That not a single person ever considered the options and then chose Christ as the correct alternative. That is far more insulting than having to sit through a couple minutes of prayer to a God you do not wish to believe in.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:56pmBruce: “THE_JERK — According to THE_JERK only “liberals” would insult this girl.”
Perhaps it’s a problem with reading comprehension. This girl insulted herself. When others point out that fact, you bring whore and slut into the conversation. You did that. No one else did. You create a straw man, then argue.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 2:05pmTermyt: “She does have a point. A moment of silence would be respectful to all in attendance. It is not right to say “if you don’t like it, leave” when the event is a City Council meeting. That‘s basically saying that if you don’t agree with the prayer, you can not do business with the City Council.”
Fact is, she does not have a legitimate point… that’s my point. Why should any council be forced into a moment of silence because you, or her, might feel offended? Are you, is she, the yardstick by which all else is measured?
No one is saying, “that if you don’t agree with the prayer, you can not do business with the City Council.” Plenty of people disagree with plenty that all city councils do, yet they continue to do business with those city councils. That conclusion is foolish, and is really no more than a feel good soundbite.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 2:07pm“But I do disagree with the assertion that the child is being punished for “free thinking.” This is used time and again by atheists and implies that there is no free thought in Christians. That not a single person ever considered the options and then chose Christ as the correct alternative. That is far more insulting than having to sit through a couple minutes of prayer to a God you do not wish to believe in.”
I 100% agree. My parents did not “brainwash” me or made me sit in church for two hours. My faith was a personal and independent decision. I’ve questioned, investigated, pondered, disbelief, reconsidered, reviewed, etc. I’m a free thinker. Atheist militant “free thinkers” are phony, arrogant, and intolerant.
Report Post »The_Knower
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 8:42pm@Colt
So, I’m guessing you became a follower of Christ from investigation, not through reading the Bible or listening to any Christians trying to convince you, right? If you haven’t read the Bible or listened to Christians before realizing that the Christian doctrine is true, then you truly are the first freethinking Christian. I didn’t have to read any atheist literature or listen to atheists before becoming an atheist. I just looked for God and he didn’t turn up.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:06pm@The_Knower
I didn’t need to seek God, he sought me. I didn’t need to read the Bible, his eternal laws were in my heart. MY conscious convicted me. No one convinced me about anything, I personally experienced the love, hope and joy in knowing the truth that leads to happiness and safety for my future and posterity. I didn’t seek any literature, I volunteered and willingly helped my neighbors, family and relatives when they needed help, and realized we’re here for a purpose, and are not here in vain for nought. I studied the history of the world, read of its miseries, downfalls, progression and could witness that we’re all full of wrongs and sins, that no man is perfect. I witnessed our fallen state, and how we quickly go from bad to worse. Surely, this ain’t all there is to it? I found that if there must be right and wrong there must be some balance in place weighing in all these factors. I found that if I had life, so must my origin have originated from life also.
I wandered so aimless a life filled with sin
I wouldn’t let my dear saviour in
Then jesus came like a stranger in the night
Praise the lord. I saw the light.
Just like a blind man I wandered along
Worries and fears I claimed for my own
Then like the blind man that God gave back his sight
Praise the lord. I saw the light.
I was a fool to wander and astray
Report Post »Straight is the gate and narrow the way
Now I have traded the wrong for the right
Praise the lord. I saw the light.
The_Knower
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:38pmThat didn’t answer my question. Did you learn about the tenets of Christianity before you read up on it? Did you need to be taught by a third party to understand every detail of Christianity? In other words, did you find out your answers through investigation, or did you take another person‘s or book’s ideas as complete and utter fact AT ALL before discovering your answers? Remember, if you take the Bible as the infallible (therefore, unfalsifiable) word of God, you are, by definition, not a Free Thinker. I don’t take anything as infallible.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:59pmLOL. OK. I see what you’ve done there. You guys have defacto trademarked or hijacked a general term and self imposed it on yourseves. LMAO! Good one.
free·think·er – noun. a person who forms opinions on the basis of reason, independent of authority or tradition, especially a person whose religious opinions differ from established belief.
I never took an oath or recited a creed to form my religious belief. In fact, I’m not even a member of any established church, and never have been.
You guys are just intolerarnt, selfish, and closeminded. That’s all.
Report Post »The_Knower
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:56pm“A person who forms opinions on the basis of reason, independent of authority or tradition….”
Taking the Bible as infallible is taking it as an authority. If it can’t be wrong, then it must have an authority on things that are inconsistent with reality, such as, I don’t know, half of the entire book. Dragons, Seraphim, talking bushes, etc.
Please, I‘d like for you to explain how it isn’t a authority. This should be funny.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 2:09pmLOL. Your twisted, binary view of the universe doesn’t work on me. First off, “free thinker” doesn’t exclusively apply to atheists, agnostics, whatever. Second, one may be a free thinker, and through reasoning, or because of reasoning, seek other paths. If by “free thinker” you litterally mean forming an opinion without any source or authority at all, then you’re an “anarchist”, or rebel, not a free thinker. In fact, many so called Deists became a believer in a Grand Creator and his eternal Laws through reason, or furthermore based, substantiated and proved their belief in a God through reason and science. In fact, it was the enlightment era that taught the universe was ordered, and could be figured out. That there were certain eternal truths that applied to all men everywhere. But you keep revising words, and changing history just to fit your deluded perspective. You ain’t fooling anyone.
Report Post »Best_Patriot
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:44pmWow, Beck bots really got their radar set for “atheist.”
It’s like watching a herd from above.
Just look at you, wow.
Report Post »ERP
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 11:06am“Beck-bots”.
You’re not very original are you?
*YAWN…you’re boring, go away.
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:43pmShe is about as smart as they come !
Report Post »WhiteFang
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:53pmIf a person is saying a public prayer for an audience and you do not agree with his prayer or to the god he is praying to, all you have to do is not participate.
Report Post »Do not bow your head or listen with agreement. Say your own prayer and respect others right to believe as they wish. A Christian’s desire is to bring peace to the situation, not to make trouble.
searching for the Truth
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 3:24pmMost of us all have a desire to self-actualize – we aspire to become that which would make one more an accomplishment – there are none who are atheist that will ever fit this mold – ask o‘hair’s son what became of her aspirations – then ask oneself if this is what one is to aspire to. What is Life other than seeking after the One Who lives Forever.
Report Post »Edohiguma
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:42pm“I am a perfectly normal young adult”. No you’re not, you’re a child. My niece if 12 and nobody would get the idea of calling her a “young adult”.
She’s like a parrot, nothing else.
I’m an atheist. I simply don’t believe, because I’ve seen nothing that makes me believe or convinces me that any of the 8-odd million gods people on this planet worship exists. But you know, if someone, even in a local meeting with local leaders, wants to pray, why not let them do it? It doesn’t affect me, I don‘t have to take part in it when I don’t like it.
There’s a rift among atheists as well. Some think that everyone should do what they tell them to do. Others, like me, don’t care what others do as long as they leave me in peace. You can pray all you want. You can have your crosses set up all you want. If you want to pray after a local meeting, fine, go ahead, knock yourselves out. I‘m just not going to take part in it because I don’t believe. Why would some people praying offend me so much? It’s ridiculous! It’s a world of sissies!
Neither you nor I can force our point of view onto each other. That is wrong. So what this little girl is doing is pretty wrong in my view.
If someone wants to pray, LET THEM!
Report Post »Eric_The_Red_State
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:53pmGood points -
Report Post »IMCHRISTIAN
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:57pmWell stated. I do need the relationship with God and will continue and yes you are free to live as you wish per your correspondence. I hope you have a great day and life.
Report Post »The_Knower
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:07pmNice job name-calling a twelve-year-old.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 2:08pmThe_Knower, stop hiding behind kids… it’s so progressive.
Report Post »ERP
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 11:08am@Edohiguma
I didn’t think it was possible for an Atheist to actually have a good head on their shoulders. Thank you for proving me wrong.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:38pm“I am a perfectly normal young adult, although some of my friends would beg to differ.”
Fact is, she is not a perfectly normal young adult. She, like her dad, is a whiner who wants to interfere with that which has been normal for a long, long time. She is abnormal by the numbers, a loser.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:45pmPretty brave man, attacking a 12 year old girl.
Report Post »Best_Patriot
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:45pmA whiner? By standing up and doing something, saying something? I though you lonesome Tea brains were in support of that? Oh yeah, I forgot…only when you agree!
Loser.
Report Post »Dismayed Veteran
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:50pmAH civil discourse. How sweet the sound.
Report Post »TheMajority
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:53pmShe is a child. If she can be considered an adult, why do we have free health care for “children” up to 26 years old?
If your dependent on your partents, your a child.
If your dependent on the government at any age, your a child.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:01pmLook, if you’re going to step into the ring, don’t whine when you get hit. This is always a difficulty that liberal progressives demonstrate. They attack, then cry when someone retaliates.
She’s a whining little loser. Better to learn that shortcoming early in life. Her dad never did, and now he’s a big loser raising a little loser that is trying to make us all losers.
Report Post »Best_Patriot
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:02pm@TheMajority, it’s “you’re,“ not ”your.”
You’re is the conjunction of “you” and “are.“ Your is the possessive of ”you.”
You messed that up four times in a row. Clearly, YOU’RE not an adult.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:14pmBest_Patriot, when you can not win the debate on substance, go to the mundane. You’re, your, so progressive.
Report Post »Best_Patriot
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:29pm@The_Jerk, hey, you’re the big man calling a 12 year old girl a “whining little loser.”
You’ve got some serious issues, Tea Pants.
Report Post »chips1
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:59pmIt‘s just like a liberal to hide behind a 12 year old child and have her say something they haven’t the nerve to say. Bet the girl was just parroting an Obama cult member.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 2:33pmBEST PATRIOT — according to THE_JERK, he is not insulting the girl. She has done that to herself; he is just pointing out what she has already called herself, apparently.
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 3:12pmIndoctrinated is the word, teaching a kid that they can and should force their will on others is sick at best. And when you are teaching them to puke back crap that is completely foreign to the constitution of the united states, it should be criminal.
Report Post »ERP
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 11:24am@Bruce P.
“Pretty brave man, attacking a 12 year old girl.”
Yea, and you progressives and liberals are so squeaky clean:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/04/05/Liberals-Attack-Scott-Walker-Kids
http://twitchy.com/2012/07/24/liberals-media-attack-bristol-and-3-year-old-tripp-palin-for-something-he-didnt-even-say/
Report Post »pdw
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:37pmIt just goes to show, a 12 year old is smarter then they. :)
Report Post »DimmuBorgir
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:56pma 12 year old is never smarter, Al Gore
Report Post »drphil69
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:33pmCONGRESS shall make NO LAW respecting an establishment of religion…
Uhh… did Congress pass a law forcing meetings to begin with a prayer?
Since the libs have been in charge of PUBLIC EDUCATION, Americans have become DUMB. And ripe for DICTATORSHIP.
Thank GOD for THE SECOND AMENDMENT. FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS…
Report Post »BryanB
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:52pm“Or prohibting the free exercise thereof.”
I guess you forgot that part………
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:04pmTHANK GOD FOR THE SECOND AMENDMENT!
Yeah! We can just shoot the atheists we disagree with! And then the Muslims! And then the Jews! And then the blacks! And then the Christians who aren’t true Christians!
Report Post »barber2
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:27pmBRUCE: ever occur to you that a little respect on ALL sides would solve a lot of this ? There are plenty of hateful comments by atheists here to show that it is not a one -sided problem. AND I seriously question whether all of the nasty “ religious” folk comments are genuine or merely Trolls trying to do the Jason Levin dirty- trick thing like the Democrats did to try to give the Tea Party people a bad rap. Have noticed a serious uptick in the Trash The Tea Party ( Democrat code phrase for white conservative church goers) comments here and in the media. Guess that is part of Democrat Campaigning – just like it was in 2010.
Report Post »lizsum
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:32pmAs long as I live, I will never understand the hatred some people have for prayer. Do they not realize how much worse this country is because of the way we have excluded God from our everyday lives? God says “if my people, who are called by me name, will humble themselves and pray, I will bless their land.” Short version. Says enough. They are probably proud of her. How very sad.
Report Post »The_Knower
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:39pmI don’t know, has it been proven that prayer does anything? If it doesn’t do anything, don’t you think it is kind of a waste of time in lieu of actually doing something.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:45pmNo one hates prayer.
We just find it as much as waste of time as closing your eyes and wishing really hard for something.
Report Post »scootervanneuter
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:50pmThe answer as to why atheists, etc. are so incredibly hateful toward Christianity is because they are simply doing the will of their father, period.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:08pmSCOOTERVANNEUTER — no one hates Christians. The problem we have is that they think is that “doing the will of the father” entitles them to special rights and privileges, namely that of forcing their beliefs on everyone else.
Besides, I would read the comments here and see who is being hateful. Is it the atheists or the Christians?
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:37pmOn May 2, 1778, General George Washington issued these orders to his troops at Valley Forge:
“The Commander-in-Chief directs that Divine service be performed every Sunday at 11 o’clock, in each Brigade which has a Chaplain. Those Brigades which have none will attend the places of worship nearest to them. It is expected that officers of all ranks will, by their attendance, set an example for their men. While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest Glory to laud the more distinguished Character of Christian. The signal instances of Providential goodness which we have experienced and which have now almost crowned our labors with complete success demand from us in a peculiar manner the warmest returns of gratitude and piety to the Supreme Author of all good.”
I guess Washington knew nothing about our founding…
These liberals are ignorant, arrogant, and deluded. They’re brainwashed, intolerant, closeminded, and strongly indoctrinated by foreign Marxist ideologies.
Report Post »Best_Patriot
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:29pmthis ought to rile up the Beck bots today!
Report Post »hi
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:27pmBTW Everyone can play the ‘I was bullied and teased” card. My kids were made fun of and bullied by atheists at school because they are Christian.
Report Post »The_Knower
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:41pmReally? Well, your kids bullied me while I was at the mall. Not only that, but you, sir, murdered my family!
See, it’s so easy to make up stuff on the internet just to get your petty point across.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:46pmHI — see you are still peddling ignorance and lies.
Report Post »hi
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:53pmBruceP
Report Post »It is the truth. I had to switch schools. If you read my posts over the year, you would know this is true. That’s why I am not going to let my kid go to an IVY league even though qualified academically. I’m sick of the darkness. My friend‘s kid goes to Ivy and says her roomate is ’fluid.” That means she has sex with men and women depending upon the day. Also, The friends with benefits, drugs, and alcohol is at the school I just told you about. The Atheist culture contributes to the moral decay. It’s horrible.
The_Knower
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 2:51pm@Hi
What you are telling us is that what you are saying is true because you‘ve been saying it’s true throughout your time being on this website. So, just to be clear, truth to you isn‘t what’s true, it’s what is consistently said most often? No wonder you are Christian.
Report Post »Nevermind
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:25pmGood for her. She has identified a problem and come up with a solution that would accomodate all, believers and non believers. Now time to see all the “good christians” make themselves feel better and hurl insults at this child they may not agree with.
If you want to pray noone is stopping you. Just dont do it on public land or property that my tax $$ paid for. Tell your silly stories at home or church
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:40pm“If you want to pray no one is stopping you.”
Good. That’s what this board decided to do… pray. If you don’t like it, don’t listen or leave. That is your free choice.
Report Post »bitemebiden
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:42pmwoah neverAmind, my taxes paid for this land too guaranteeing that I CAN pray where I wish. She came up with a solution to a problem? It’s not a problem for us Christians… we can pray when and where we with, it’s only a problem for atheists.
Report Post »Dismayed Veteran
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:47pmA moment of silence seems a good solution. Tell me what do athiests contemplate during that moment?
Report Post »TheMajority
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:50pmI would not attack a 12 year old girl. It is not hard to dupe a 12 year old girl, especially when she is paid more money than she has ever seen in her life. Your not attacking all Religion, just Christians. Have you been to Ham Tramic or Dearborn near Detroit Michighan lately? I don’t see you protesting muslim loud speakers on the streets praying 5 times per day, but I am sure you are glad the Christians no longer live there.
I have never met a Atheist in my city, that desired to attack any Religion, and I know what kind of collectivist winds you up.
Be careful, when you see you agree with communism (that believes in no Religion, accept a dictatorship). It should be a red flag for you.
Why don’t you stop being a bully, and leave Christians alone? They didn’t force me to pray (have not been to Church in 41 years), and they don’t force you to pray. But it is important to recogonize, that one Religion does force you to pray—or else. That is why there are no Christians, or any other religion, including Atheism, in Dearborn Michigan anymore.
If you think Christians are your enemy, look again at who you agree with.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 2:08pm” Tell me what do athiests contemplate during that moment?”
what to get for lunch? what a wasteful use of time it is? how glad they are that they don’t believe in fairy tales anymore?
Report Post »hi
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:24pmI don’t see how prayer is rude and unfair. Sounds like a democrat where everything is “unfair to me, myself, and I!“ Atheists are all about ”me, myself, and I.” They are offeneded by something they don’t believe in.
Yet, I agree that there should not be prayers before meetings. I would not want to be present if the Muslims said a prayer . It is not because it’s unfair to me, myself, and I, but I don’t want to be in the same room while praying to Satan.
Report Post »joe.r.piehole
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:29pmlol @ you.. What a foolish imbecile you are. You want to call us selfish? Look at your post. You think that the hundreds of millions of muslims worldwide are satan-worshippers. In the same breath, you self-gratifying idiot, you say that you are not selfish. Unbelievable.
Report Post »hi
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:35pmJoe
Report Post »Who do you think they worship?
SquidVetOhio
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:39pmAnd I guess that suggesting that we pray to some fairy tale doesn’t make you a self-gratifying idiot?
Freaking loser.
Report Post »The_Knower
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:43pm@Hi
I’ve asked Muslims who they worship. It turns out it’s not Satan. Maybe you shouldn’t be in charge of who Muslims worship, hmm?
Report Post »hi
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:45pmSquid
I said NOT to pray.
Joe,
Report Post »Do you think telling the Muslims will be happier when you call them “foolish sky worshipping imbeciles?” Or do you just call Christians that?
bitemebiden
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:46pmJoe, yes they are Satan worshipers, the one true God, Jesus does not advocate killing of unbelievers rather to be kind. If you disbelieve in Jesus, that’s your choice for this life but when you breathe your last breath…. you will believe, and for you unfortunately it will be too late to change anything.
Report Post »joe.r.piehole
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:50pmHi, I think they worship a fictional being, just like you.
Report Post »hi
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:58pmThe Knower
Report Post »So you think those who marry 9 year olds, and mutilate the private parts of female 13 year olds and stone women to death worship anything but Satan?
The_Knower
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:00pmIt’s the fantasy of every Christian on this site to watch everyone who disagrees with them tortured. They just think that, because the place where they are tortured is Hell, it’s a perfectly healthy thought that in no way speaks of their sadistic tendencies. You’ll never see an atheist wish for the torture of a Christian. Christians, however, base their entire worldview on the torture of people who don’t believe as they do.
Report Post »The_Knower
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:09pmStrange. The Muslims I know don’t do that. How many Muslims do you know?
Report Post »hi
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:30pmKnower
Report Post »Everyone is invited to come to heaven! It is you who refused the invitation. If you want to come just pray right now,”Jesus I want to know you. Please come into my heart.”
If you read news besides PBS or CNN you will see on a daily basis the horrors of stonings, honor killings, and beheadings in the Muslim world. Three days ago a coupe was buried except for their head. They the Muslims threw stones at their heads. Wale up!
The_Knower
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 2:46pmI did what you told me to do and nothing happened. Did you just lie to me about Jesus being real?
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 4:40pm“How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.” Jude 1:18
“Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,” 2 Pet 3:3
“Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.” Matthew 7:6
“This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.” 2 Timothy 3:1-5
“This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind, Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:” Ephesians 4:17-18
“And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.” John 3:19-20
Report Post »The_Knower
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 5:09pm@Colt
So, if you can’t prove your point to people who have criticisms of your point, ignore the criticism and assume you are right? Sounds like Christianity to me.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 5:41pm@The_Knower
Did you TRULY repent of your sins? Did you TRULY confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus? Did you TRULY believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead? Do you now patiently wait for the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ? If so, then you’ll be saved, and are now a child of God.
“Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.” Acts 3:19
“For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.” Romans 10:10
“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.” John 4:24
“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.” Titus 2:11-14
“He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name.” John 1:10-12
Report Post »DYNA
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:37am@The Knower
God reveals Himself to those who want Him. Your argument is not with Colt1860.
Report Post »It is between you and Gods Holy Spirit. It is your choice. Colt1860 or some one else might say the right words but the One Who convicts, convinces, reveals, and comforts is His Holy Spirit. He is the One who reveals Jesus, Who will be answered to.
LIBSALWAYSLIE
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 11:36amJOE R P is a typical lying liberal. He is extremely ignorant and blind to the truth. Liberals, like JOE, are pathetic.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:24pmJust curious, but why are the Hamilton County Commissioners interested in the opinion of a 12 year old child?
Report Post »joe.r.piehole
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:26pmMaybe because the kids are the ones that are actually bein subjected to the forced prayer? Maybe if Christians actually thought about the children that they indoctrinate, they would be less likely to force-feed them misinformation and anti-science.
Report Post »let us prey
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:29pmLol gonzo, they have the minds of children.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:30pmThis is about prayer at County Commission meetings Joe old buddy. Might want to at least glance at the story.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:37pm@JOESHUTYOURPIEHOLE
Boo freaking hoo. They get indoctinated with your godless religion every day at school. We will train our children how we want and you want do anything about it. I could run circles around your so-call knowledge of science. This worthless father is leading his child to an eternal death.
Freaking crybaby athiests.
Report Post »The_Knower
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:46pm@SquidVetOhio
“I could run circles around your so-call knowledge of science.”
Then why don’t you? Why haven‘t I seen anybody ever trump science if it’s apparently sooooo easy?
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:46pmHey Joe, God IS science. It‘s just that you don’t have the neurons to figure that out.
Report Post »Also, it is shameful to use children to do the work these people are afraid to do on their own.
The_Knower
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:16pmGod is Science
Science is defined as the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world.
So, God is the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world? Is that what the Bible says?
Report Post »DYNA
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 2:22am@The-Knower
God created the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world. This physical and natural world is temporarily in a fallen state and is due for a correction.
Sound science and real revelation of His Word do not conflict.
If it appears that the Bible and Science conflict than it is either the lack of revelation of the Bible, or it is not real science. The reverential fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom or knowledge.
Along with the religions of this world some at least in part, have made a religion out of Christianity. They have replaced the Word of God with the religious traditions of men. The Word of God is the power of God for salvation. External ritualism and doctrines of men are powerless to save.
Report Post »Dorugremon
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 9:18pmGonzo:
“Just curious, but why are the Hamilton County Commissioners interested in the opinion of a 12 year old child?”
Because in six years, three election cycles, she becomes eligible to vote. Because it would make these commissioners look really bad to be insulting her by telling her that her thoughts, opinions, personal concerns are beneath their contempt? Ya think?
Report Post »watersRpeople
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:23pmI was just reading about that possible super-volcano Campi Fregrei. And I thought to myself that’s so weird, because my wife just in the last couple of weeks gave me a big coffee mug that says Vesuvius on it.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:37pmCue the Twilight Zone theme.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:12pmWATERS: Why don’t you put your creative writing talents to use writing a novel instead of posting looney comments here to annoy and disrespect people here?
Report Post »Wango
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 9:31pmYes, Water Baby, show some respect.
Report Post »eyestoseeearstohear
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:20pmOh, LQQK….another little Kenite in the making.
PLEASE READ THIS ARTICLE:
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Report Post »IMCHRISTIAN
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:19pmWhat a set of parents she must have had. Everyone whether they admit it or not needs help at some point or points in their life and that help can come in the way of prayer. I feel so sorry for anyone who never had a chance to learn or had a chance to bring the Lord into their hearts, God loves us all and He wants very much to talk to you in the way of prayer. He is waiting !!!!
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:22pm” Everyone whether they admit it or not needs help at some point or points in their life and that help can come in the way of prayer.”
you’re right, it CAN come in the way of prayer. if that works for you have at it. please realize that there are other ways to seek help, whether it be from peers, family, counseling, or critical thinking.
Report Post »joe.r.piehole
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:25pm“What a set of parents she must have had.”
Who are you to judge, you ignoramous? You foolish sky worshipping imbecile? How dare you judge the parenting of others when you would willingly subject the youth to proven falsehoods and irrationality? How arrogant.
Report Post »IMCHRISTIAN
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:33pmPHILLY….. Yes we all need friends and family and I have some great ones and some I am still working on lol. Have a good day !!!!!
Report Post »let us prey
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:33pmJoe
Report Post »You troll, did you just crawl out of encinoms or phillyatheists pant leg? Back to the basement with you so you can join back in on the gerbil express.
IMCHRISTIAN
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:42pmJOE…… I am so sorry you are so bitter. I was just stating what I have learned and needed to make my life fulfilled though illness and life in general. You are free to your life. However, it will not stop me from praying to help others. Have a great day !!!!!
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:42pmHey Joe,
Loving all the name calling. It takes a lot of courage spouting off anonymously on the internet.
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 3:15pmWhy is it ok, and even considered necessary my liberals for drunks to require belief in a higher power to get over their abuse of alcohol, but evil to allow a kid to say please be with me and calm me as I take this test?
Report Post »Johnny916
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:16pmGood for this young girl. Sticking up for reason and commonsense.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:43pmYou mean lacking reason and common sense.
Report Post »Ben__Franklin
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:25pmHmmm, I thought she was sticking up for her coward of a father and another fist full of dollars.
Report Post »DimmuBorgir
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:15pmpoor kid
Report Post »Kupo
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:15pm12 years old qualifies as young adult?
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:20pmIn the liberal mind it does.
Report Post »Best_Patriot
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:30pmRight. 21 is considered a young adult in the conservative nanny state.
Report Post »DimmuBorgir
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:37pmto liberals she’s ready to start breeding and either keep planned parenthood going or get on govt assistance.
Report Post »KickinBack
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:39pmAnd at 30 she’ll be a child living with mom. Everything is backwards for libs.
Report Post »Dismayed Veteran
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:53pmGonzo
Don’t forget 12 years old is also okay with the muslims
Report Post »Best_Patriot
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:10pmDismayed Veteran, and in Texas.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 2:35pmAt 12 she is ready for free birth contol in the liberal mind. If that doesn‘t work she should be able to get an abortion without her parent’s consent…in the liberal mind.
Report Post »Wango
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 9:33pmGonzo . . . Yep, you’re right. She’s ready. And if you and I have anything to do with it, she might need that abortion. Can I get an amen, my amboy duke? Tweedly tweedly tweedly TWEE!
(Hey, what’s that smell?)
Report Post »KickinBack
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:14pmThey’re now paying children to sell their souls. I hope she realizes that $1,000 is considered taxable income…
Report Post »The_Knower
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:18pmSouls don’t exist. If they did, we would have found some and Christians would argue that not enough of them are being tortured forever.
Report Post »KickinBack
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 3:16pmThat’s ok Knower. From now on I’ll refer to you as monkey. Or do you prefer ape?
Report Post »The_Knower
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 3:29pmWhy? Did I imply that was a monkey or an ape? Where did I say this?
Oh, you think not having a soul removes value from people, thus changing their species. Don’t worry, soul or no soul, I’m still a human.
Report Post »KickinBack
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 3:51pmOur souls are what makes us human, since you believe you have no soul then…Ape it is!
Report Post »The_Knower
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 5:24pm…says who? I’m pretty sure my DNA determines what species I am.
I’m not going to allow more vague implications from Christians. If you’re so sure that souls exist, please, define what a soul is and make your case for their existence using evidence that can be accessed by anyone. What is a soul made out of? What determines which things have souls and which don’t? What are the factors that lead to one having a soul? In reality, things can be investigated until vast amounts of detail are shown. What details does a soul have? What are a soul’s parts? Does a soul change? If so, through what processes does it change? How does a soul affect its surroundings? Through what process does a soul go through to affect its surroundings? If you are certain that souls exist, please, behave like you live in the real world and answer these questions, questions that should have been expected by you.
Report Post »KickinBack
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:19pmThose are good questions. But if you’re looking for a scientific answer, you’ll never find it. Oh, I could go with the “prove that souls don’t exist” retort, but it’s completely pointless. You’ll have to find the answers out for yourself…And trust me, there are many, many, MANY things that *modern* science can’t explain, yet that doesn‘t mean they don’t exist.
Report Post »The_Knower
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:46pmWhat you said made absolutely no sense. Literally, it was incoherent. If something is unexplainable through science, like you take souls to be, it literally cannot exist. How else would you explain something except through science? Seriously, give me the alternative that you find out answers through. I doubt that you have any.
Oh, and don’t say “FAITH”. The point about faith is that you are eventually right, just after you die. If you experience an afterlife after you die, you would learn of it through your observation of it existing, right? Observation is one of the key tenets of science. Therefore, you would still be using science to prove that your faith was valid.
That’s the wonder of science for you. It’s very, very clear. Not vague and sadistic like Christianity.
Report Post »KickinBack
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:44amI have to smile :)
For The_Knower will know all, when it comes time to know. Know this Knower, that you may not know all there is need to know, and know not what can be known, but know that one day…you will just…know.
Am I condemning you? No. Did I even mention that I was Christian?? No. You just have to accept the truth that you, “The_Knower”, actually knows not.
Gobblety ****? Or maybe I’m just an @sshole having fun on your behalf…I like both, and I don’t care. You..however…should “know”.
Report Post »The_Knower
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 9:27amI’ve seen better writing on Fanfiction.net about “Twilight”. Nice try using my username to write about me, I guess. IDK.
All I know is that your ignorance will start *sunglasses* kickin’ back at you some day.
YEEEEEAAAAAAAH!
Report Post »KickinBack
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:27pmlol! You’re still there! God Bless you buddy! Persistence is good for the soul…But let’s not go there :) Tell ya what, we’ll continue this when we see each other on “the other side”… Later!
Report Post »LeadNotFollow
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:13pm…
Report Post »Poor little brainwashed atheist kid.
Brought up in a home without God.
Pray for her. There’s still hope.
phillyatheist
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:20pmno hope for her. she’s embraced reality. once that has occurred it’s hard to start taking things on faith.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:46pm@PHILLY
You accept evolution by faith since there is no sound science supporting it. A little hypocritical eh?
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:50pmA Christian saying that someone has been brainwashed? BAHAHAHA.
Report Post »The_Knower
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:52pmTeach your kids to be critical and make their own decisions?
BRAINWASHING. NOTHING BUT PURE, OLD FASHIONED BRAINWASHING.
Teach your kids to believe in the Bible, because, if they don’t, they will experience pain for eternity. The pain of your flesh being roasted constantly, bubbling and blistering skin never fully falling away. Remind your children of how, if they don’t believe in your book (despite any criticism they might have), they‘ll suffer tremendously as their intestines are dragged out by Satan’s minions and feasted upon, only for them to regrow to start the process all over again. Believe in the Bible without any critical thinking, for the punishment for judging the Bible is endless torture.
THE GOOD LORD’S WORD! YEE-HAW!
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:58pmSQUIDVETOHIO is proving, once again, his complete ignorance for science. Evolution is not taken on “faith,” it is an explanation of the facts and evidence.
“Not sound science” is not a sound criticism coming from someone who not only does not understand the science, but that refuses to attempt to understand this specific science and science in general.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:10pm“SQUIDVETOHIO is proving, once again, his complete ignorance for science.”
And more name-calling and less fact proving. Typical. You know, because athiests get to define what science is and it “evolves” depending on whether they are losing the argument or not. Move on troll, you are on the field with the big boys and you obviously don’t have the skill or knowledge to play ball.
P.S. I’m an engineer. What exactly do you do for living? I get paid well for my knowledge of science and here’s a dirty little secret for you. If you use a bank, it’s likely that my kook, bible – believing mind has something to do with you getting your money.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:17pmi would like to invite SQUID or any evolution denier to watch the series “Mutant Planet” on the Science Channel. just one hour of any episode will teach you more about evolution than you could ever learn in high school. the proof is all around you, just waiting to be discovered by anyone who wants to learn about it. this stuff is WAY more interesting than scripture, i guarantee you that.
Report Post »The_Knower
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:23pmSquidVetOhio logic: If you understand A science, you understand ALL sciences.
Quick, Squid, use your engineering skills to remove my daughter’s brain tumor!
Report Post »pinostabaum
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 2:08pm@the_knower i dont know if your daughter really has a brain tumor, but ive often thought the root of religions lies in parents wishing to protect their children from terrible realities. i am an atheist, but if my child was dying, i would probably lie to him about an afterlife to help him through it. sigh.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 2:26pm@THE_KNOWER
It’s the mind of a religious person.
You talk to an evolutionary biologists about quantam mechanics, and they might know a little bit about it. They are however hesitant to get into a long discussion about it, and refrain from trying to act like an authority on the subject. They are quick to say that there are people who are far more qualified to speak on the subject.
Now, the person who has had everything revealed to them through their holy book. Well now that’s a different story.
Suddenly now they are an expert on
Report Post »Biology
Chemistry
Physics
Quantam Mechanics
Astronomy
Morality
SquidVetOhio
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 11:25amWell, Mr. Biologist. Since you’re the expert after watching your T.V. show, let’s hear all the scientific evidence proving macro-evolution. Being a creationist, I have read more and watched more shows and articles about evolution than most people. Since their theory changes like the weather, I have to know what I’m arguing against.
If you’re honest about your daughter, I’m sorry and I will pray for her.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:11pm12 years old and already smarter than your typical Blaze poster.
Report Post »Verceofreason
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:18pmI only come here to peddle antique dinosaur saddles.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:48pmAnd more testicular fortitude than your typical atheist troll. At least she spouts her nonsense in public. Not anonymously on a message board.
Report Post »The_Knower
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:05pm@SquidVetOhio
…and you’re not anonymous?
Report Post »barber2
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:14pmAtheist: Getting some of that Alinsky out of your system…again ?
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:34pmBARBER – i know the name Saul Alinsky but i have no idea who he is or what he stands for. were it not for Conservatives i would never have even heard the name. feel free to enlighten me.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 4:23pm@THE_KNOWER
I‘m not the one mocking other people’s faith. But, I can be not anonymous if you would like to meet me.
Report Post »1977
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 4:51pm12 years old isn’t a young adult…..it’s a kid,with no common sense.
Report Post »The_Knower
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:49pm@SquidVetOhio
“At least she spouts her nonsense in public.”
So, calling someone’s belief “nonsense” isn’t mocking?
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 11:35amNo, it’s not. Mocking is making fun of something. You got a problem?
Report Post »historyguy48
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:07pmComrade, another little brainwashed Communist spokesperson is born! How wonderful. Well, if they can brainwash two generations of Americans, why not work on the third?
Report Post »After all you can’t allow any other religion to compete with World Communism, now can you?
phillyatheist
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:13pmbrainwashing is the realm of religion. how else could people believe that the earth is 10,000 years old? or in the Biblical miracles? c’mon people get a grip (on reality).
Report Post »Verceofreason
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:19pmAnother poster on a blog here used the term ‘evolution zealots’.
Report Post »You folks are insane, INSANE.
The_Knower
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:37pmWe are going to have a lot of problems sorting out this country if you just keep calling everyone communists. Here’s the definition of communism: a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state. Please, explain how you think she fits this definition.
Report Post »john vincent
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:41pmhey phil
its a miracle that you are given your next breath. where pray tell, does your atheist brain suggest breath comes from??
God breathed into man……this is an easy one.
Report Post »Edohiguma
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:48pmJohn Vincent, your “argument” is ridiculous. By your logic god breathed into all other larger beings as well, cause, guess what, even frogs breathe. Most lifeforms on the planet require oxygen. Breathing is nothing else but an oxygen transfer that happens in most of these other lifeforms as well, because without it they would all die. Just like the heart, for example, is really just a pump.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:49pmAtheism is not the same thing as Communism.
Just as Christianity is not the same thing as Facism.
Report Post »let us prey
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:50pmGood post history guy.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:50pmJOHN VINCENT — “my atheist brain” says it comes from the contractions of my lungs.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 12:51pm@JOHN VINCENT
Wow, just wow.
Report Post »john vincent
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:12pmphil
Report Post »bruce
edo
thank you. your distinctions were helpful in pointing out the fallacy of a Godless world.
-man is a living soul. frogs are not
-i saw a flood the other day; in ten minutes property was spept away. Imagine 40 days and forty nights of CONSTANT waterfall.
-Breath??? yep, still a miracle.
-if you doubt this, wait until you are on your death bed gasping for just one more breath!
-God’s word?? still the anvil that has worn out all the attacks by all the hammers. still true, still relevant,
-as far as atheism , it does not truly exist, but in the vain imaginations of man; ‘the fool says IN HIS HEART there is no God….’ Get it?? Not a matter of disbelief, but one of simple denial.
phillyatheist
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:26pmit’s best to simply laugh at a guy like JOHN. he’s not playing in the same realm as most of us. it’s an unfair fight, like picking on a cripple. no matter what we say he will believe that God is most high, the creator of all things on heaven and earth, and that we humans are special to him. never mind the trillions of stars in our universe, many of which likely have life. Earth is special, as are we, the highest order of thinking creatures on Earth, to his God.
religion was created to help us understand who we are and how we got here. now that we‘ve got it mostly figured out we simply don’t need it anymore. people will cling to it for its cultural and historical value, but ultimately it will prove to be a passing phase in human evolution. soon enough we will outgrow our infantile needs for a cosmic father figure. probably not in my lifetime, but soon enough.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 1:40pmPHILLY — I would laugh at him, if I could make sense of his non-sequiturs.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 2:11pm@PHILLYATHEIST
It’s something i never got. When I hear Christians(or any religion for that matter) say “look how long our religion has been around” as it‘s some kind of proof of it’s truthfulness.
Even if you’re a young earth Creationists who says the Earth is 10,000 years old, Christianity has been prevalent only 20% of the time.
Let‘s say you’re not a young earth creationists, but go by the thinking that man has only been on here 100,000 years(some scientists think anywhere from 100-250,000 years), then that means Christianity has been prevalent only 2% of mans existence.
2,000 years is a drop in the bucket in terms of evolution and that does nothing to prove that because Christianity has been around for so long, therefore it means it’s true.
Judaism has been around longer then Christianity, but surely Christians won’t say that Judaism is more true then their faith in Jesus.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 2:31pmMOD – good point. let’s not forget that the Greek Gods were worshipped from about 3000 BC until Christianity early in the 4th Century. that’s over 3000 years that crap was believed!
it’s true that Scientific discovery has drastically altered the religious landscape. up until 300 years ago, there were few natural explanations for many of life’s great mysteries. those theologians clinging to the God of the Gaps find an ever shrinking space for which their God can fit. those Believers clinging to Biblical miracles have yet to embrace the natural world in a meaningful way. we’ve come a long way in a short time and it will take much longer for people to shed their ties to their cultural affiliations. but it will happen.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 4:27pmYou guys are ignorant of Christianity. It didn’t “start” 2000 years ago. It is an extension of Judaism which started at Creation and defined by law under Moses. So it’s been around since day 1.
Oh, and Creationists believe the earth is about 6,000 years old. Intelligent Design people are the main ones that claim 10,000.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 5:17pm@SQUIDVETOHIO
By extension you mean it hijacked another groups religious beliefs and made a story to fit themselves?
It then also has the nerve to say that the people they hijacked from are rejecting the actual God(the one that the previous people made up)?
Give me a break.
There is nothing intelligent in the claim that the Earth is 10,000 years old.
I really do hope people realize that the person who wrote the Old Testament…… wasn’t actually around when that stuff happened.
You are then saying that a person who looked around, and wrote how he thought the world came to be……….was divinely inspired and got EVERYTHING correct.
That alone right there strains rational thought.
Report Post »historyguy48
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 9:31pmBetter yet, since according to you, I don’t know what communism is, why not tell me just how her speech isn’t in favor of communism.
Report Post »Since Progressivism, socialism, national socialism, among others are actually all from the same root, the theories of Marx, among others, they are essentially all exactly the same.
However, if you feel it is necessary to sub-divide Marx’s theories, like other good solid communist thinkers have done, go right ahead and do so.
But, it is all a lie. And this lie is believed by it’s adherents far more firmly than any other religion, ergo, communism is just another religion.
VanceUppercut
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:04pm@historyguy48
The churches have been doing the brainwashing.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 11:31am@MODERATION
Yea, we “hijacked” another religion. And no, Moses wrote Genesis and wasn’t around at the Creation. It was revealed to him by God how He created everything. I’ll type slower if you need.
Look, you want to deny God that’s on you. I’m never going to convince you and you are never going to disuade me. I was making a point about who believes what. I could care less if you agree or not. You athiests are a miserable people that come on here to provoke the rest of us. So, this is the last time I’m going to respond to you. I have better things to do.
Report Post »blackyb
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 8:58pmYou are an embarrassment to Ron Paul and about in need of a good point in the right direction. You do seem to have a few bolts that could use some tightening. What a freaking mess you wrote.
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