National Atheist Party Cancels Its Secular Political Convention Due to Lack of Funding
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Secular activists across America were in for a major let-down on Wednesday when the National Atheist Party (NAP), a progressive political movement intended to give non-believers a grander voice in government, cancelled its upcoming secular convention. The startling announcement, especially considering atheists’ continued push for power and prominence, was made on the organization’s web site.
TheBlaze first told you about NAP in January 2012; IRS documentation shows that the organization was originally filed with the government in September 2011. NAP is registered as a 527 political party (a non-profit that cannot specifically support candidates — only issues) that is believed to be the first of its kind in American history.
It was founded by Troy Boyle, a 45-year-old corporate legal representative and is centered upon the core beliefs that there is no God and that secularism is a viable path for national social and political progression.
NAPCON2012, the political party’s massive convention, was scheduled to take place in Boston, Massachusetts, on October 5 and 6. It was supposed to be a monumental event that was slated to embrace these very sentiments. And following the Reason Rally, an atheist Woodstock of sorts this past March, it appeared as though the movement was poised for monumental growth.
Photo Credit: National Atheist Party
While non-believers may still be poised for “theological” and political prominence, Boyle’s group, which was present and involved with the Reason Rally event, appears to be fizzling — at least in the moment. On Wednesday, he delivered sad news for the movement.
“Big dreams at the founding of an organization must be abandoned or modified to suit reality,” he wrote. “NAPCON 2012 was supposed to be our biggest and best public event; our chance to show the U.S. that we could fund and organize a large, noteworthy and impressive ‘Secular Summit’ that would attract media buzz and even more interested members and donations.”
Photo Credit: National Atheist Party
Boyle said that accomplishing these goals isn’t possible at this time. Admitting that “the donations simply aren’t there,” he said that the NAP would go bankrupt if the group continued with the event as originally planned. “Our eyes got bigger than our belly,” he said, citing the line his grandmother once told him. But finances aren’t the only problem.
“Suffice it to say that too many critical players have backed out of the event, and too few donations and sponsors have committed to supporting it,” Boyle continued. “Whether that is our failure to market the event properly or we simply didn’t have enough seed money to insure its success is moot.”
All hope isn’t lost for atheistic enthusiasts, though. Despite being “disappointed and disheartened,” Boyle pledges in the statement to pour more time and energy into the NAP’s 2013 convention. He also promised to reimburse any individuals or groups that have already donated to the cause.
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thegreatcarnac
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:50amAttention….atheists, gays, commies; a backlash is coming and all of you will be scrambling to try and become ‘normal’.
Report Post »trtmntdude
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 12:03pmYep, they are opening the door for sharia and then the heads will roll. Literally.
Report Post »johnjamison
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 12:08pmThank God the internet holds everyones info. there will be no quarters for those destroying America from with in
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 12:15pmYes of course, because gays, atheists, and communists would thrive under sharia law. I literally cannot even fake the mental steps required to arrive at this line of reasoning. We are doomed, not because we’ve offended the western version of the sky god, but because we’ve degraded ourselves to such depths of ignorance and credulity.
Report Post »wisehiney
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 12:19pmGood thing they have all revealed themselves.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 12:21pmYep, my first thought was we do still out number you. And people are becoming more aware that they are out there, even in their small numbers, and what damage they can do if allowed to run their agenda without checks.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 12:24pm“a backlash is coming and all of you will be scrambling to try and become ‘normal’.”
Pray tell, who is going to be behind this backlash, and what will the results be? Whenever I see someone say this (and it’s the second time in two days here on The Blaze), it seems to come from people who claim to be Christians and yet threaten death or injury upon others who don’t conform to their specific beliefs.
I’m a Christian already, but if someone else called himself a Christian while threatening violence against my fellow Americans, I’d side with those who were being threatened. Jesus sat with the poor, the sick, and the sinners… not the Pharisees. If you‘re threatening others under the misguided belief that it’s the “Christian” thing to do… you’re not following God or the Bible. You’re serving a different master, and boy, is his realm toasty!
Report Post »Mrflannery
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 12:33pmFunny how much christians have in common with the taliban
Report Post »trtmntdude
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 12:37pmThe fact of the matter is that the left is bending over backwards to appease the islamists. And the islamists’ goal is sharia. Period. So, YET, keep appeasing the islamists and when they have taken over, the homosexuals and athiests and anyone deemed to be an infidel will wonder how it came to be that their heads are on the chopping block. Funny thing is, that for all the grief that these groups give Christians, the Christians aren‘t trying to chop anyone’s heads off.
Report Post »wisehiney
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 12:38pmLocked, would you also side with the Amalekites?
Report Post »Sirfoldallot
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 12:49pmThey will be looking 4 a rock 2 hide under.
Report Post »KeystoneState
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 12:50pmWell tough luck there Troy, bit look at the bright side, of your right, it won’t mean a hill of beans after you kick the bucket anyway!
Report Post »Locked
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 1:16pm@Wise
Which Amalekites do you refer to? The ones that come to mind:
1. The ones exterminated in Samuel 15. Probably not these, as they’re all dead.
2. The Armenians, as they were called Amalekites until the 19th century. Not sure why you’d mention these.
3. The Nazis. Again, mostly exterminated. Any that remain (or Neo-Nazi groups) should be prosecuted if they attempt violence.
4. The Palestinians, who were rebranded Amalekites in the 1970s by fundamentalist rabbis to give their followers religious reasons to kill them. Similar to fundamentalist Islamists and their jihad against Jews, these rabbis say that the Palestinians must be killed “until their ‘memory be blotted out’ forever.”
5. The Amalekites mentioned in the Book of Mormon, which I admit I have not read.
No matter which group you refer to if they do not act in violence or oppress others I would support their right to their beliefs over any group against them that would use violence to crush their beliefs.
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 1:16pmAll this aside, it just shows that Atheists won’t spend their own money. Guess they couldn’t find the DEMOCRATS way of getting actual Taxpayers to fund their circle jerk.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 1:17pmI guess all that money they’re spending litigating 9/11 crosses and prayers on school walls has left them without the funds to have a convention.
Report Post »Maybe His Eminence the Atheist Bishop, Richard Dawkins can donate from his book sales?
wisehiney
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 1:34pm@LOCKED – Any atheist or amalekite who threatens or attempts to oppress the faithful will deserve and receive retribution. You go ahead and stand with them. Now, back to work, so long.
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 1:36pmAtheists just try to tear down crosses, put up to honor fallen servicemen and women. have ALL references to GOD taken out of any public spaces. Bullies they be, right Locked?
Report Post »johnsnare
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 2:01pmAn old saying: Money talks and B.S. walks.
Report Post »ironsheik
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 2:25pmYou’ll be first on my list, Carnac.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 2:40pm@Wise
“Any atheist or amalekite who threatens or attempts to oppress the faithful will deserve and receive retribution.”
You didn’t answer my question. Which group were you referring to?
@13th imam
“Atheists just try to tear down crosses, put up to honor fallen servicemen and women.”
I do find that specific example offensive; I think it goes overboard when the item is clearly not meant to be religious but simply a remembrance.
“have ALL references to GOD taken out of any public spaces. Bullies they be.”
Now, using government-owned land for religious prayers, murals, etc? Or placing such items in public schools or led by government employees? I definitely wouldn’t call it bullying to remove endorsements of one religious view in those cases; I agree with the Constitutionality ruling from the Supreme Court in those cases. I wouldn’t want Islam in there; I wouldn’t want Christianity in there; and I wouldn’t want an anti-theist proclamation like “God is fake” in there.
I think we could all agree on that!
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 4:02pmIs that a veiled threat? I doubt a backlash is coming though as each generation is more progressive than the last. What was once progressive is now conservative. So goes the cycle of life.
Report Post »RWCT
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 8:30pmIF ONLY I had known!!! Darn!! I will offer to contribute 23 Million $ to them!
Report Post »Only one condition! They hold the event in Tehran, and invite madmandinajad!
Please respond if interested in my offer!
Quester55
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 9:05pmStrange how this Leader? of a Atheist Society would use those Horrible, Forbidden words in his Closing Statements “ All Hope Is Not Lost ”? Sounds Hypocritical, To Me! I Always thought that you had to believe in a Greater power than yourself to have HOPE In.
Report Post »It’s True what Every G.I. say ” Their no such thing as Atheist, in Fox Holes, When the Shooting Starts!!”
BryanB
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:48am“National Atheist Party Cancels Its Secular Political Convention Due to Lack of Funding”
I guess Atheist, are not very giving……….
Report Post »Zipit
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 12:30pmBryanB….. I guess that passing the proverbial plate at their get togethers just isn’t “panning out”
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:46am‘It would be interesting how many still believe that when they are on their death beds.’
This says more about the true nature of your faith than I think you meant to let on. It would be interesting if more christians were aware of the fact that the whole point of their faith is to assuage our natural fear of death.
Oh and by the way, in case you’ve never encountered an atheist in your entire life, I suppose I should point out that they reject all of the infantile fairy-tales that you just mentioned.
Report Post »grimmster
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 12:18pm@andyetitmoves aka encinom.
Report Post »For someone who claims to be an atheist,you sure pretend to know a lot about the bible……moron…..
Rayblue
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 1:47pm@yeti…maybe you have a “natural” fear of death.
Report Post »There are a lot of us that don’t.
Trust me on that one.
Sumrknght
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:43amANDYETITMOVES
Hey, I’m going to pray for you today. I’m going to pray that God will open your heart and mind… bring you to a point in your life where you realize that you’ve been running from Him all your life.
That He will show you His love and the true path to him through our Lord Jesus Christ.
You’ve made me realize how much you need not only my prayers – but every Christian on this board reading these posts… please pray today… tomorrow… and every day till we meet on here again and find that ANDYETITMOVES has seen the light. :) Have a nice day! :)
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:48amI am praying for him too, but I fear he is lost. Yet…it is the strongest scoffers who often make the strongest Christians in the end. I know this for fact…I was once where he was and I thank God for those who prayed for me.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 12:06pmMuch appreciated. I shall sacrifice a goat to mighty Thor and pray that he does not bring down his iron hammer in order to discipline you for worshiping false idols.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 12:13pmlol, you show a humorous streak even though your bitterness is still evident in your posts. You truly hate God, I wonder why? I will not offer you any platitudes like “He can help you…” You already know all that. I will just shut up and pray that you find Him.
Report Post »grimmster
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 12:14pmPraying for a turd, is still praying for a turd. If you must pray for someone, pray for someones who’s worthy……
Report Post »00100111
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 12:15pmDon’t worry about him. God gave him up to an abject mind a long time ago.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 12:24pmCome now guys, he IS a turd. At least he is being one here. I think it is because he is hurting. God accepts turds, in fact, at least the turds know they are pathetic. There is more hope for him than someone who has it all and does not need anything. This one is crying out for help, it is evident in his posts.
He is very worthy of our prayer.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 12:25pm@Grimmster
“If you must pray for someone, pray for someones who’s worthy…”
The Bible teaches that none of us are worthy except Jesus, and odds are He doesn‘t want your prayers if you’re going to act like that :-)
Report Post »R-Paulson
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 5:09pmWhy don’t you just ********. You’ll have more fun and it will be better for you and it will get more results than ANY prayer EVER will.
Report Post »R-Paulson
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 5:11pmWhy don’t you just ********. It will be better than ANY prayer.
Report Post »Sirfoldallot
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:43amha ha , lmao
Report Post »bikerr
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:40amThey(atheists) are a small group with BIG mouths!
Report Post »Jezreel
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:38amGod answers prayer. I distinctly remember praying and asking God to shut the door to funds for atheists and other groups that are wicked and evil.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:41amlol!
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:42amDid you pray for him to prevent the rash of mass shootings that have occurred over the past two months? What an asinine comment.
Report Post »00100111
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 12:16pmFree will, Andy. Man did that, not Him.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 12:24pmSo when something good happens, glory be to god. When something bad happens, it’s because of free will. I already knew this, of course, I just love making christians reiterate it.
Report Post »Mrflannery
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 12:31pmHow about six million jews who prayed to him to save them from hitler? He ignored them because he had to help some guy score a touchdown?
Report Post »SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 3:26pm@ ANDYET…well if the bible is accurate in regard to its doctrine about the evil state of men and the graciousness of God then yes in a very real sense you are correct. Let me explain. God proclaimed from the beginning that the wages of sin (rebellion against His commands) was death. Now if humanity, all of whom the bible declares has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, has sinned then all ultimately stand guilty before God. So in that regard, any time and anything that is good that happens to men is therefore by the grace of God, because our sins have earned us condemnation and death. In fact, every day that passes that God allows us to live is an act of grace granting all time to repent of their evil deeds. God, also gives even the most evil among us time and opportunities to repent, however, some men ultimately refuse and perpetrate their evil upon others in the meanwhile. However, if God so chooses to take a life, since they already stand guilty before him, then he is not unjust in doing so. Therefore, while it is stll called today he pleads with men to repent. But make no mistake, God is not the author of sin nor is he responsible for the evil acts of men. That is the choice of men and the consequences of a fallen world. So in the context of those doctrines, everything good that happens is due to God’s grace in spite of who I am, and all the evil and suffering that exists is by the choice and actions of men. Thank you…..
Report Post »QuincySmith
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:30am“Suffice it to say that too many critical players have backed out of the event, and too few donations and sponsors have committed to supporting it,” Boyle continued. “Whether that is our failure to market the event properly or we simply didn’t have enough seed money to insure its success is moot.” ~~~~ Interesting that he didn’t posit another, more likely cause: No one is interested.
Report Post »Danimal98367
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:41amAtheists rock and atheist skeptical society events do great. Progressives suck and their events usually tank. The fail the the Progressive aspect, not the atheist aspect.
Report Post »michael48
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 12:11pmSorazz is over budget on chairman ocommies purchase of America…amazing…old georgie has a budget the dem-wits don’t…speaks volumes…
Report Post »JAMACAMECRAZYMAN
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:29amGod works in mysterious ways indeed, and the most mysterious thing about him is that he made his followers utterly incapable of explaining why others should believe he exists.
Report Post »—————————————————————————————————————————————————
You know in your heart and soul that he exists – It’s not my job to explain anything to someone such as yourself.
AndYetItMoves
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:35amSorry, but the book says it is your job. I think what you meant to say is that you aren’t capable of the mental gymnastics required to explain it to a person like me.
Report Post »00100111
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 12:13pmNo, Andy, it doesn’t. It says we are to spread the Word, and if people do not want to hear it we are to pack up and move on. It is not our job to force it on you or convince you. If you hear the Word and reject it, that’s on you, not me. You can‘t say you weren’t told about it when your day comes.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 12:20pmThere’s a bunch of christians from the 10th through 18th centuries that would probably take issue with your interpretation of the word. Isn‘t it interesting how the ’pack up and move on’ philosophy only surfaced after christianity was domesticated by modern civil society?
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 12:28pmand (encinom), it is written in the Bible my friend! Shake the dust off your sandals and move on. Christ died for YOU and YOU can have eternal life by simply opening yourself to a relationship with Him. No conditions, no strings, just open yourself. Come as you are, He prefers broken sinners. He will lead you, just let Him.
That is all we are required to tell you. You know this, you knew this before this thread. What you do with Jesus is up to you.
Report Post »truthseekerusa
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:29amOnward Judeo/Christian believers!
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:33amYou realize that both jews and christians believe in their end-times prophecies that the other group will be annihilated and sent to hell, right? Whats with all the fake camaraderie?
Report Post »chicago76
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:45amAndyet you got way too much time on your hands. Time to find a job.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 12:04pmI‘ve been praying for one and it doesn’t seem to help, should I switch gods?
Report Post »Rayblue
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 1:52pm@and…Try swindling other atheists like Madeline O’Hair did.
Report Post »That was her “job”.
And maybe they won’t catch YOU.
RJJinGadsden
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:21amHmmmm, time for a Chum Gang bailout! They just have to be too big to fail!
Report Post »Other than that…bwahahahahaha. Apparently, this movement hasn’t the capacity of a bowel movement.
yougottabekidding
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:31amJust head on down to dem conference on muslim brotherhood days
Report Post »and make your case. I’m sure they will welcome you with open arms!
hayesstephen
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 12:15pmI guess they did not have enough FAITH in their beliefs? These poor people! I have not one problem with people who do not believe in Yahweh. What I have a problem with is their unending campaign to convince ME THERE IS NO YAHWEH. Everyone is completely free to go to hell as they choose. Poor sad, frightened little creatures shivering in the dark, sucking their thumbs and secretly hopping and yes praying that there is no Supreme Being. Cause babies if we Christians are correct that would make your beliefs incorrect, you are goin have a bad day. NOW IF YOU ARE CORRECT, I or you will never know. The Book teaches that some people are redeemed or condemned before they are ever born. Go figure! So to all you Liberals all I can do pray that Yahweh will be forgiving and kind to you. NO ONE IS SO EVIL THAT THEY SHOULD BE SENT TO HELL. Hell is beyond human comprehension, it is so horrible that Mao, Hitler, Stalin, should not go there. You non believers if you are able, seek Yahweh .
Report Post »The Jewish Avenger
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:21amAwww, C’est une honte.
Report Post »KickinBack
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:20amSeems they need a little work on the charity thing. Perhaps some fundraising? I’d laugh to see a local atheist org. going door to door selling cookies.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:20amNational Atheist Party: a party founded on…er…hmmmm….uhm…
nothing…
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:29amAmerican Christians: A party founded on the conviction to believe absolutely anything, and the notion that one deserves respect for this trait.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:33amAndyetitmoves, you are trying too hard there son, simmer down boy. No one takes you seriously until you have a valid argument. So far you have done nothing but blatant trolling in here.
Report Post »The Jewish Avenger
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:38amWhat kind of name is Andye?
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:40amLook at your original post. Is there a point hidden in there that I’m missing? Are your posts a model of Aristotelian rhetoric? Kindly climb down from your high horse. If Christians want to trumpet about the lack of national interest in atheism, then it‘s perfectly appropriate to remind them that they’re still losing the conversation about basic intelligence.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:45amActually, that is not true. There are some mighty smart people who are Christian. In fact, it is stupid to believe that the universe was not intelligently created, you cannot even begin to explain how that could happen unguided by intelligence.
Look, go pour yourself a glass of water and set it on the table in front of you. Now, I want you to sit there and watch it. Watch it carefully. I want you to wait until it evolves into kool-aide. Then we will talk.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:46amActually, that is not true. There are some mighty smart people who are Christian. In fact, it is stupid to believe that the universe was not intelligently created, you cannot even begin to explain how that could happen unguided.
Look, go pour yourself a glass of water and set it on the table in front of you. Now, I want you to sit there and watch it. Watch it carefully. I want you to wait until it evolves into kool-aide. Then we will talk.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:49amAs long as this conversation has devolved into meaningless arguments that one might find on a second grade playground, I think I’ll ask you to go find a shrub and light it on fire, then wait for god to tell you how much money he requires this year.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 12:00pmWhy do I need to light a shrub to talk to God? Oh…You were alluding to the burning bush! But that was God that lit that fire as He lit the altar for Elijah.
Money? God does not require any money from me, salvation does not depend on works, at least I do not believe it does though some do. But I tithe well over 10% through the year. We give to many causes beside the church offering, my favorite is Christmas Child shoe boxes. Our family did 50 last year! It is an object lesson for our kids, they sacrifice their Christmas gifts for others. Brings tears to my eyes every year. That is what giving is about, it is a blessing.
I guess you probably wouldn’t understand though.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 12:09pmAh yes, and now we have pathos, the appeal to emotion that Christians so lovingly employ in debate over and over again (it‘s where we get the word ’pathetic’ from). Since you are certain that I do not donate toys at Christmas, you have won the argument about God. These are the defense mechanisms of a child, my friend.
Report Post »The Jewish Avenger
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 12:15pmIronically, this is also the same time that the secular public school starts pummeling their students with their “proof” that God doesn’t exist.
You wonder why Christians dont care about Atheism? There you go.
If we forced a child to believe in God, it would be a violent retort WITH government backing
But if a religious person wishes to defend their beliefs and questions whether their non-moralistic anti-ethical behaviors are to be taught to their children funded with government money BEFORE they are adults, they are also attacked for THEY know that if they can instill it into our children now, they wont change.
Proverbs 22:6
Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
You think these secular clowns dont learn anything from the Bible? Tell me this is not true in fact try to tell me that they dont use the moral teachings from the Bible to pit children from their PARENTS. And yes, that was predicted in the Bible as well.
Funny that a 4000+ thousand year book of what you would refer to “fairy tales” has more value through the years than anything a homosexual and/or an atheist has broguht to the table.
That is unless you want to stick with Dawkins argument about ALIENS planting us as seeds…
So who are the aliens? Who created them?
God?
Nah… must be other aliens.
(Who created them? Gotta run out of aliens eventually)
In short, I disagree and feel you are short sighted about this.
I dont agree to
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 12:20pmDefense? Argument? Lol, you are too suspicious! I assume nothing about you. You inferred that God required me to give money, I am merely trying to explain that you misunderstand what the Bible actually says on this matter. Yes, as Christians we ARE expected to help those in need. But it is a blessing for the giver. This is what I said you probably do not understand, but if you do indeed give to charity then maybe you do understand. So why then do you think a Christian’s giving would be any different from your own? You do not do it out of obligation, neither do we. It is charity.
The same holds true for the church tithe. Most churches do not require any giving, we give what we see fit and we also see where the money goes as it is the congregation that runs the church and pays the church employees. At least this is how it is done in Baptist circles. I don’t know that I would attend a church that required payment.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 12:30pm@Andyetitmoves
“A party founded on the conviction to believe absolutely anything, and the notion that one deserves respect for this trait.”
Since when do Christians believe absolutely everything? I certainly don’t believe in leprechauns or Thor. I don’t believe that creationism should be taught as science. I don’t believe that the sun will suddenly decide to not rise tomorrow.
I do believe that prayer holds power, that many of the teachings of the church can provide a good moral basis for living, and that there is a force (that I call God) who touches all things and provides me with a sense of comfort and a promise that things will work out all right even when I have no rational reason to believe so.
Your taunts are not only disrespectful, they are also incorrect. Christians don’t believe in “absolutely anything;” we just believe in some things that you, apparently, do not. If those beliefs don’t harm you, what’s the issue in holding them?
Report Post »OneTermPresident
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:17amLucky for them that God doesn’t believe in atheists and unlike mans laws he allows U-turns.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:26amIf I were a christian I would implore God to explain to me why he favors people of below average intelligence.
Report Post »The Jewish Avenger
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:39amIf God answered, your next question would be for a new pair of shorts :)
Report Post »Stelex
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:51amHow are you so sure he favors you AndYet
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:52amLike I said.
Has there ever been a group of people in human history that was worse at delivering one-liners than American Christians?
Report Post »jcldwl
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:56am@ andyet
Then ask him. You don’t have to be a Christian to pray to God. In fact you can say this prayer and find the truth regardless of your intelligence. “Dear Heavenly Father I repent of my sins and accept Your Son Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior.” It’s that simple. I would suggest you do some actual biblical research first so when you pray that prayer you really mean it and know what you are praying about. You wouldn’t want God to think you are of below average intelligence.
Report Post »taxpro4u03
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:16amAs with most leftist ideology ‘all hat and no cowboy…‘ We were all ’minorities’ at one point in history. Nothing wrong with that…. it‘s just that in THIS ’democratic REPUBLIC,‘ we ain’t buying what you’re selling as a group of like-minded AMERICANS… ENUFF already…. That‘s between you and YOUR ’afterlife.‘ Strap on whatever ’Book of the Dead’ you feel you need to.
Report Post »NineteenEighty4
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:15amAtheists are sick in their souls and should just accept the Lord into their lives. There’s really no such thing as atheism, as one can never unequivocally disprove God. These are people who are just mad at God and want to destroy our rights and religion. I will not comply. We’re a nation UNDER GOD. WAKE UP, PEOPLE.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:24amThe fact that your handle references Orwell might have just created enough irony to tear a hole in the ozone layer. Did you actually read that book? Did you notice the part where he explains that the ‘proles’ are allowed to practice their religion because it keeps them placid, stupid, and uninterested in public issues? Please read the book again.
Report Post »DeavonReye
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 3:45pmIt is SO silly when people say “just accept Jesus as your savior”. A person can’t be MADE to believe something like that. Not and be honest at the same time. It is as likely to do that as it would be for you to “just accept that Faeries exist”. Being agnostic, I do not make a claim that “no gods exist”. However, I’m not going to live a lie just because people tell me I “need to”. It would be the same level of emptiness as it was the 20+ years I was IN christianity.
By the way, atheism isn’t about “disproving god”. It is a rejection of the claims of those who BELIEVE that a god exists. So the “proving” is upon you, as a christian.
Report Post »ScoobyCheese
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:15amEven though they are having to cancel their event for a very clear REASON, it seems they are determined to keep the FAITH in what they are doing.
Atheists are silly.
Report Post »OneTermPresident
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:12amNational Atheist Party (NAP), a progressive political movement… Call it what it is… A COMMUNIST political movement.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:21amPeople who capitalize the word ‘communist’ for dramatic effect are scarcely ever capable of explaining what it means, the same with capitalism for that matter.
Report Post »chicago76
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:22amExactly right.
Report Post »huey6367
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:10amHahahahahahahaha – that’s all I got.
Report Post »ltb
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:04am“Atheists Cancel Their Secular Convention Due to Lack of Funding” – queue sad trombone…. wah, wah, wah, waaaaahhh.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:03amNow that’s an answer to PRAYER!
THANK YOU, GOD!
Report Post »johnjamison
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:13amActually it’s not an answer to a prayer. An answer to a prayer would be for it to be held and all twenty of them showing up. Showing how truely small their numbers really are in America. Showing everyone the true voice Christian of America …..
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:03amHAHAHAHA OH MY GOD! (can I say that?) This is too funny. Maybe they better vote for the Capitalist, Romney, next time? Progressives. When will they ever learn they can not exist without other peoples’ MONEY? :)
Report Post »Exidor
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:03amI don’t believe in Atheism….
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:03amYou gotta love Militant Atheists. They have Absolute Faith in their beliefs, try to recruit others into their beliefs, form groups and have organized meetings to discuss and reinforce those beliefs, all, at the end of the day, revolving around God. They don’t even realize that theirs is a Religion. I wonder if they ever really pondered the phrase “The Lord works in mysterious ways”? Probably not.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:18amIt’s amusing to me that the most popular defense of Christianity these days seems to be simply pointing out that atheism is like a religion. As if to say, ‘Look! Atheism is just as asinine and faith-based as my religion!’ What a ringing endorsement of Christianity. God works in mysterious ways indeed, and the most mysterious thing about him is that he made his followers utterly incapable of explaining why others should believe he exists.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:26amANDYETITMOVES, Recently it has been a number of prominent atheists who have claimed that Atheism is a religion. And, that it should be treated as a religious status. It’s not so much that we are trying to bring it to the level of an accepted religion, they have tried this themselves. By doing so, they put their ‘religion’ in the same position as others when it comes to the so called separation of church and state. They may want to be careful what they wish for.
Report Post »chicago76
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:38amAtheists try to claim God does not exist. It would be interesting how many still believe that when they are on their death beds. Atheists believe that everything was created by the laws of nature and that the laws of nature simply are as they are and control everything. I wonder if Jesus worried about the laws of nature when he raised Lazarus from the dead or when he quieted the storm or walked on the water. Or best of all rose from the dead and promised us eternal life. I wonder if Moses worried about the laws of nature when the Red Sea parted to let the Jews pass into the promised land. Our God is God of the Universe and God of the million universes if that is what there is. Our God is not a god controlled by mother nature. Those who believe God is controlled by nature are backroom atheists. At least these people admit their ignorance. There are many so called Christians who do not.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:41amCare to point out which prominent atheists want atheism to be considered a religion? Pulling statements like this out of thin air does not pass for debate in the age of the internet.
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 11:44amANDY, What’s really amusing is that you think my post was a “defense of Christianity”. It was a completely offensive (and effective) attack on Militant Atheism. (In fact, I, personally, do not believe in God, but I’m not the member of any group or movement, nor do I want to influence anyone else’s beliefs in any way)
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