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Atheists Forced to Remove ‘Good Without God’ Billboard From Church Property

Atheists Forced to Remove Good Without God Billboard From Church PropertyCOLUMBUS, Ohio (The Blaze/AP) — A billboard supporting atheism has been taken down from property owned by an Ohio church after the pastor complained. The Christian Post has more:

The billboard features a smiling image of Dylan Galos and accompanied with the words “I can be good without God.” The sign campaign is part of a nationwide effort by the Freedom From Religion Foundation to “encourage social acceptance of nonbelievers,” the foundation states.

The campaign also features online entries available at the FFRF site for non-believers to enter their quotes and short bio. The foundation then selects the entries to be used on its billboards. The Ohio campaign billboards are scheduled to be in place for one month.

The sign had upset Rev. Waymon Malone of Christ Cathedral Church. The church owns the land where the billboard went up. Malone was unavailable for comment, but his mother-in-law told The Columbus Dispatch on Tuesday that the pastor ordered the ad be removed. She said:

“It upset him because of what it said. It said we don’t need God, and we’re at church, so we do need God.”

Account executive Jay Schmidt with Matrix Media Services calls the billboard’s placement “an unfortunate oversight.” The ad agency says the sign came down days after it was installed last week and is back up at another site.

Annie Laurie Gaylor, co-president of the FFRF, claims that the group had no idea that the billboard would be positioned on church property. But, she wasted no time in showcasing her distaste for the pastor’s removal demand, claiming:

“The action of this censorious church shows exactly why our campaign, intended to encourage social acceptance of nonbelievers, is so important. Do its deacons truly believe one can’t be good without God?”

Although the group questioned the pastor’s “acceptance of nonbelievers,” the situation has been settled. Now, the only remaining question is: Can one truly be good without God?

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  • Tyler520
    Posted on June 30, 2011 at 6:37pm

    “Can one ever be truly good without God?”

    As study after study has proven that there is absolutely no statistical difference in moral behavior between “faithful” and atheists, the answer is clearly a resounding: YES.

    Be certain – it is the radical Christian right who lose elections for our conservative candidates – this is not an opinion, but rather a statistical fact.

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    • AegisFate
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 7:23pm

      What is good?

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    • Elena2010
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 7:31pm

      @AegisFate — He has told you, O Mortal, what is good — to do justice, love mercy, and walk humbly w/God (Micah 6:8)

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    • AegisFate
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 8:33pm

      @ELENA2010-Oh I know what good is, I wanted to know what a nonbeliever thinks.=]

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    • seanmom
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 9:24pm

      What study after what other study? Please cite them.

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  • This_Individual
    Posted on June 30, 2011 at 6:22pm

    Thanks Blaze! It’s always entertaining to read through the back and forth between the disgruntled Christians (athiests) and the well read Christians.

    Vote Libertarian!

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  • let us prey
    Posted on June 30, 2011 at 6:13pm

    Social acceptance of non believers? Another agenda getting ready to be forced down the throat of America.
    What an absolute joke.

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  • NoStoppingUs
    Posted on June 30, 2011 at 6:13pm

    ROFL, i‘d love to hear how atheists define ’good’

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    • Elena2010
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 7:14pm

      In ancient China, it was filial piety — doing the right actions in the right ways to honor your father and ancestors.

      “Good” without God is meaningless as another pointed out. It’s cultural.

      Good to the Christian means the absence of evil. Now, who can measure up to that? None. We acquire right actions by surrendering to God in Christ. His actions live in us and further His Kingdom of goodness. The Western tradition has assimilated the core idea of good as the absence of evil and the addition of laudatory actions. Jewish and Zoroastrian ideals are similar in tone and reliance on the grace of the Divine.

      Good in islam is memorizing the koran in Arabic, whether you understand classical Meccan Arabic is of no concern. It’s saying the prayers, making the hadj, paying zikat, keeping Ramadan, etc. If your good deeds outweigh your bad ones, then you go to paradise.

      Hindu and Buddhist beliefs are similar since the Buddha is a direct descendent of Hindu theology w/the twist of non-theism in the face of polytheism. The goal is similar though, to purge evil/bad karma thru reincarnations. Becoming one w/the universe (loosely speaking) is the ultimate goal — nothingness of self remains. To become nothing is the good. Evil is what keeps you from achieving nirvana.

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    • NoStoppingUs
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 10:11pm

      I learned all that bs in an art class, believe it or not.

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  • psadie
    Posted on June 30, 2011 at 6:13pm

    EVERYONE needs to complain. The minority always gets their way while the majority has to suffer with the nonsense. NO MORE, the majority has to get their way now NOT the minority. If you aren’t a Christian fine, but don’t push it off on us anymore. The vast majority of the population in this nation are CHRISTIAN so deal with it; we have rights too.

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  • ThoreauHD
    Posted on June 30, 2011 at 6:07pm

    I can throw a dart at a board with numbers I can’t read, and still get a good score. And what does it mean to me? The same as it did before. Good means nothing to the atheist.

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  • Rickfromillinois
    Posted on June 30, 2011 at 6:07pm

    And the ditz who was in charge of putting up this thing is accusing the Church of censorship? Just how stupid is this woman? She really thinks that anyone would be pleased with someone putting up a sign attacking them on their own property? This shows just how unbalanced and hate filled this hag is.

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    • GodHatesFigs
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 7:27pm

      The ffrf didn’t just drive up to a church and stick a billboard on its property.

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  • DUNAMIS333
    Posted on June 30, 2011 at 6:02pm

    TO ZOMBIE JESUS LOVES ME, I have never posted on a site before but I had to address your comment. GOD does not nor has he ever caused sickness or disease, it is the work of the advesary, if you have ant questions about it i can supply more info. JESUS CHRIST always did the will of his father GOD so if he was healing people that GOD made sick he would have gone against his father’s will.

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    • bellasbrat
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 6:13pm

      Thank you Dunamiss….well stated!

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    • MrBungle
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 6:15pm

      If God knows all (omniscient) he would have known before creating satan that he was going to turn against him and cause all the evil we see in the world (disease included according to you). So by creating satan to begin with God knowingly set in motion the seires of events that would lead to terrible diseases, evil, etc, which means he might as well have done it himself. Am I missing something here?

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    • Oldphoto678
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 6:17pm

      Oh here we go. The devil did it. Isn’t the devil such a convenient scapegoat.

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    • MrBungle
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 6:20pm

      If God is ominiscient then he would have known before creating satan that satan was going to cause all the evil, diseases, etc. So by knowingly setting in motion the series of events that were going to lead to the evil he might as well be guilty of the evil himself. Logically what you are saying is the equivalent of saying that someone that sets up a time bomb is innocent and it is the time bomb that should be to blame for the resulting chaos.

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    • beckwasfox
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 6:52pm

      Mr. Bungle God created us with free will. He knew Adam would sin but He wants man to choose to love Him. When Adam sinned he allowed Satan to have mastery over this world.

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    • SovereignSoul
      Posted on July 1, 2011 at 11:30pm

      If God knew Adam would sin then Adam would NOT have Free Will. If Adam had chosen not to sin then God would be wrong. If God knows everything that will happen then, by definition we do not have free will.
      I have to go now. I have a headache!

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    • theindividual
      Posted on July 2, 2011 at 1:15am

      Sovereignsoul…I fail to see the connection between someone knowing something….and somehow you no longer having Free Will.

      You must have a mental block or something cuz that just sounds plain stupid.

      I can know my sister is going be manipulative and controlling in a certain situation…but she has to discover that for herself…and only then can she decide from that point to make a change.

      You are like most other objectivists. You are so intellectually tunnel-visioned that you can’t see a LIVING SOUL IN MOTION.

      The soul can only be known in the moment you make an actual decision. Each and every heartbeat is a choice.

      Existentialism is awesome. :O of course…Existential Nihilism is also awesome….Both are true, neither are certain.

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    • MrBungle
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 7:05pm

      @BeckWasFox

      That still makes no sense. God knows ahead of time who will accept him and who will not, all of these people will be born created as he made them in the situations they were born into. So God knowingly makes people that will do evil things, then eternally punishes them for doing the things he knew they would do… Which also brings up another problem… how is it free will if your actions are known before you perform them? The concept of free will necessitates the ability for multiple different outcomes which is not compatible with a known result.

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    • Elena2010
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 7:19pm

      Because Bungle, God stands OUTSIDE time. Time is part of creation just as we are.

      In Jesus, He stands alongside us in creation.

      God is sooo much bigger than we can imagine, yet He chooses to limit Himself for our sakes.

      Compared to God, we are like a 6 year old child. And that’s okay.

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    • Old Truckers
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 7:33pm

      MrBungle,

      If you have a son and you teach him right from wrong. You even trust him to do the correct thing, yet one day he makes the choice to rob a bank. Is it your fault that you brought him into the world? Is it not his own fault, and the consequences to his life and his family are his to bear. Why would anyone blame his father? Using your logic, the father is to blame for causing his birth. We have free will, we were not created to be robots. God wants us to use our intellect to choose to listen to our Creator. Sadly many do not and we all suffer because of it.

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    • MrBungle
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 7:59pm

      @Old Truckers

      Its not the same as a human father being blamed for the actions of his son. God, according to the monothesitic religions is the architect of everything and everyone. So by creating this system everything that it does and everything that happens in it is either directly or indirectly the responsibility of the creator. Human parents do not have control over every minute detail of their childs genetics, personality, time and place in history where they will be born, etc. they have control over the environment the child was raised in for sure but only to a limited sense. So blame for the childs actions can only be placed on the parents to a limited sense. (lack of proper discipline in childhood is probably a contributing factor to a kid growing up to be a criminal)

      My time bomb analogy is much more accurate in describing what is going on if God exists and he is in fact omniscent and all powerful. Except that the analogy would have to be expanded in that the items/people around the bomb at the time it exploded would have to be placed there by the bomber as well.

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    • FoxholeAtheist
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 8:09pm

      Old Trucker, a loving and responsible parent wouldn’t throw their kids into a lake of fire to burn for all eternity just for turning their backs on him or her.

      Mr. Bungle, they make these things up and have an answer when it suits them. Ask them the question a different way and they will have a completely new explanation which has nothing to do with the original answer first they gave.

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    • SovereignSoul
      Posted on July 1, 2011 at 11:21pm

      But God is all powerful. He could stop the “adversary” from giving a child leukemia. Maybe he’s too busy for the children of the world…or just doesn’t care.

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  • Midwest Blonde
    Posted on June 30, 2011 at 6:00pm

    It’s only right that it come down if it was on church owned property.

    And since atheists don’t like religious symbols on government properties (such as Nativity scenes) I do hope that no government property is afflicted by these atheist signs. That would be unfair to say the least. Post them on private property if you must post them!

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  • Kathleen
    Posted on June 30, 2011 at 5:55pm

    These people aren’t worried about being accepted for not believing in God. What they want is to dictate to us about whether we can believe in God. It only serves to make me believe in God MORE!!

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  • KABAR2
    Posted on June 30, 2011 at 5:38pm

    God is no respector of Athiests,
    He knows who are His,

    If you as an Athiest can not believe in God
    why should God believe in you?
    For that matter why should we believe in you?

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    • Liberal Basher
      Posted on July 1, 2011 at 12:51am

      Well nothing you say makes any sense. We as Atheists don’t believe in fairy tales. So we don’t expect fairy tales to believe in us. Grow up.

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  • thermonator
    Posted on June 30, 2011 at 5:37pm

    Oh the irony……

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  • Susan09
    Posted on June 30, 2011 at 5:29pm

    First of all Their FFRF is JUST as Much a RELIGIOUS FAITH TO the ATHIEST I have heard that aitheist are non-Believers in GOD SON and HOLY SPIRIT Father, Son, Holy Spirit . Only then Believing in THEMSELVES as BEING GOOD????? Sorry Only ONE has Ever Been Without Sin Seeing how all the GOOD people believe they have no SIN . I guess they NEED no Father Son Holy Spirit Or Salvation They are so GOOD THEY need NOT HIM .. WHOM MOST CALL Jehovah GOD, ALMIGHTY, of The most read book Book. not to mention the earliest and oldest How To Book. As for THE Christian Faith, Without The Son Christ Jesus There Could have been no Father and No Father Then there would be no WORD or PEOPLE called BY THE RISEN SON’S NAME CHRISTIAN Can MEAN only the Cross Gospel Holy Bible That Would Not Exist without the SCROLLS already Evidence. For Truth . No ATHIEST has heard of The Dead Sea or the Scrolls Or just Do not want to admit they exist..

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  • AegisFate
    Posted on June 30, 2011 at 5:23pm

    Under atheism the holocaust wasn’t right or wrong.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism
    atheist ideals always lead to nihilist destruction.

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    • theindividual
      Posted on July 1, 2011 at 11:48pm

      Not many people know that Karl Marx lied when he said that Religion is the Opiate of the Masses.

      When Religion is turned into Entertainment, it isn’t Religion.

      Religion MODERATES. Christianity promotes self-moderation…particularly AMERICAN CHRISTIANITY.

      Christ is proof that God isn’t a nihlist. He gave his only begotten son…who himself died so we might live.

      Loneliness is the only thing that can kill a true immortal…and God is a true immortal. He BECAME the Father by having his Son.

      It‘s so stupid that people don’t understand basic Principles of the Gospel.

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    • AtheistElite
      Posted on July 4, 2011 at 7:46am

      Do you feel good about just spreading outright lies? We atheists do have common sense that‘s why we are Atheists unlike you bible thumping lunatics who don’t even realize this country was founded under secular means.. Your bible means absolutely nothing, your so called God doesn’t exist and never did. We have refuted and destroyed all of your arguments thousands of times and you always come up short.. Just stop breathing my air.

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  • jim
    Posted on June 30, 2011 at 5:23pm

    Your billboard is “gone without God,” son.

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  • RightUnite
    Posted on June 30, 2011 at 5:18pm

    Good….

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  • Patriot Z
    Posted on June 30, 2011 at 5:16pm

    im athiests and i say good. look i dont want to live in a theocracy, but i feel neither do most people. it ticks me off when fellow ‘athiests’ get so butt hurt over someone praying next to them or someone saying god bless you if they sneeze. i feel thats alot of athiests and especially the most vocal actuall believe in a god and is mad at god. thats why they go after christians more than any group especially muslims. if they didnt believe then they would understand the difference between someone wishing them well and a forced conversion.

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    • Elena2010
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 6:56pm

      I would say you sound more like a non-theist.

      But you are correct in your assessment that many atheists are rabidly angry at God. They find their arms are just too short to box w/Him, making them all the angrier.

      Good insight.

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    • GodHatesFigs
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 7:21pm

      It is literally impossible for an atheist to be angry at god.

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    • Patriot Z
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 8:57pm

      not true GHF. the emotion can be there most definatly. thats why there is alot of anger omongst athiest. and supprisingly alot of them are no different than the people they claim to hate. I hear alot of athiests complain that Christians(its always christians with them too) are ‘stupid for praying to an invisible man to save them’ when they themselves strive for an all powerful govt to save them. It seems to me that neither is willing to take responsibility for their own lives. They also seem to again pray on christians the most for past faults but fully ignore and even justify the same faults found in Islam, Hinduism and other religions. there are many other things that suprisingly make Athiests and the Church the same. The weakest link i found in all ‘religions’ (including the athiestic religion) is humans themselves. I fully believe there is something bigger than me. Do i believe in heaven,,,,no. do i believe a big bearded guy in the sky wants me to kiss his ass 24×7…no. there have been many many religions in history just as ‘powerful’ as the major ones now. They were and ARE the first steps in the roads to sentience. its the first step in knowlege. humans have a lot to learn about…everything. nothing is impossible and If there is a God, he gave us free will, if he gave us free will then that means he wants us to learn. “This is one little planet in one tiny solar system in a galaxy that’s barely out of its diapers. “

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    • GodHatesFigs
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 9:30pm

      Atheism I’d literally no belief in god. You can be angry at something you don’t believe in. Most atheists in this country focus on christianity because most people are christians. And you are confusing atheism with the extreme left. Many in the atheist community value and “believe” in personal responsibility as well a being “good” without god. This is why these kind of campaigns are important. Atheism is simply the non belief in god or gods.

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    • GodHatesFigs
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 9:53pm

      Oops, I meant to say you can‘t be mad at something you don’t believe exists. I blame this tiny keyboard. Or maybe god.

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  • seer
    Posted on June 30, 2011 at 5:08pm

    Of course the question is – what is “good?” Who/what defines “good.“ Without an objective moral standard ”good” is relative and culturally defined.

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    • saneromeo
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 8:16pm

      That in a nutshell is the lie of progressivism. Modern philosophies all stress that truth is subjective, they state that there is NO absolute truth. How they can do this (while stating an absolute) is beyond me. If there is NO absolute truth, then that statement is a paradox. There must be absolute truth, and that truth was given to man in the form of the Bible.

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  • vernva
    Posted on June 30, 2011 at 5:04pm

    I know I have never encountered a day where my faith or lack there off created an issue. I have not seen or heard of a question on a job interview regarding religion. Therefore I must conclude the term “accepted” is really (like the gays have done) code for pushing the FFRF beliefs on others. Watch for new hiring and college quotas at a location near you!!!

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    • GodHatesFigs
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 6:08pm

      Gays as well as atheists have been denied employment based on being gay or non belief. It happens.

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    • let us prey
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 6:15pm

      vernva
      It is true IMO. More agendas to smash down our throats. BS

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    • Elena2010
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 7:02pm

      @Figs — is this a question on the application? I might buy off on your assumption if the person comes dressed in an outfit that screams atheist or gay… Somebody might get let go because of belief or sexuality later on when it comes out.

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    • GodHatesFigs
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 7:18pm

      No, obviously there is no question on an application about religion or sexuality. In the south, many times one of the first questions someone asks you is what church you go to. I was asked this question in a job interview. An interviewer might ask the interviewee about their spouse which might out them as gay. This happens and people are denied employment. My point was that the ffrf is not trying to force people to not believe in a god with this billboard campaign, they want to get rid of the idea that atheists are morally corrupt people incapable of being good.

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    • let us prey
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 7:28pm

      @Fig
      Is a person good or bad after he tresspasses and puts a sign on someones property? Maybe he is just a maroon.

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    • GodHatesFigs
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 8:26pm

      Someone who trespasses and puts a sign on someone else’s property, in my opinion, has done a bad thing. Why do you ask?

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    • let us prey
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 9:25pm

      Fig
      I just was curious to see if you read the post.

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  • TH30PH1LUS
    Posted on June 30, 2011 at 5:03pm

    Ok, so just to be clear… Christians not only have to remove the Manger scenes, remove Christmas from signs, remove Christmas songs from schools, take down the crosses, and the 10 Commandments, etc etc etc… But now we’re supposed to PUT UP atheist signs on church property?

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    • GCrider
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 7:04pm

      The proplem with the left is that enough is never enough, until they have removed any sighn of christianiy from our society. For some reason the left always seems to forget that our great country was founded on principles dirived directly from tthe bible, wich is the foundation of our nation. I am also sick and tired of all the bad things happening in the world being always blamed on God, for some reason the devil never gets blamed for anything wich by the way go hand in hand, GOD is good and Loves us all equaly regardless of what the progressives think and the DEVIL is bad and constantly stirs the pot and wants all of our destruction lest we forget. If athiast‘s don’t wan’t to believe that is fine and their right, having said that don’t trample on my Constitutional right to believe as I want. If Athiast‘s don’t like the word God used then don’t say it no one is forcing you to. Christians are in the majority regardless of what the progresives say we are a Judean Christian Nation. I am just curious as to what Christians have ever done to deserve such hatred from the world. Christianiy is based on Love and Caring for your fellow man, what is the rest of the world based on?

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    • Aarikaeb
      Posted on July 1, 2011 at 11:12am

      It’s not typically nonbelievers that are up in arms asking that any christian symbols be removed. It’s those of other RELIGIONS. I find that nonbelievers are usually more open minded and accepting of others beliefs than any other group. Nonbelievers will usually just ask questions to which there are no logical or demonstrable answers. We understand that your beliefs are just that; your beliefs which you are entirely entitled to. And we understand that it’s unlikely that your beliefs will change. We tend to ask these questions though to make one stop and actually THNK and look for a reason as to why you believe other than because you were told to do so. It’s also just quite irritating when we are constantly attacked (verbally) by those who do believe in religion and when they try to inform us that we’re “bad” simply because we do not believe in a “god”.

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    • canary
      Posted on July 1, 2011 at 1:08pm

      United States of America, freedom of religion, one tenent that these atheists are refusing to honor. They have an agenda to grind down people of God and make them keep their heads down as they are busy taking pot shots at only religious people. I have never seen a campaign by any church to go after “the atheist”.

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    • KENTUCKYREDBONE
      Posted on July 2, 2011 at 5:29pm

      That does seem to be the expectation from the left!

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  • PrfctlyFrank
    Posted on June 30, 2011 at 5:03pm

    Why do people have to argue religion?? If you‘re good you’re good, if you have issues you have issues, and I don’t give a fat furry damn about it either way..

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    • Elena2010
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 6:50pm

      Then select a different forum. We are chewing on matters that do mean something to us. We learn fm one another this way.

      When I came back fm Gulf War I, I would sit and talk for hours w/a colleague who had also recently returned. One of our other fellow Chaplains asked: Aren‘t y’all done with that yet?

      We looked at each other and politely told Mickey, “No.” We continued to talk though our experiences.

      It’s the best way to work thru heavy matters — talk w/others who have a stake in the matter.

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  • Tankertony
    Posted on June 30, 2011 at 5:00pm

    Typical mindless progressive drivel. No religious person ever has said that you can ONLY be good with God. The question of eternal salvation is another story. Not to mention that religion is and always has been the primary, and of course most effective expounder of proper morals and human decency. The godless left can never understand these things…

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    • I Hear the Wolves
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 5:09pm

      I would certainly not say you can be good without God. In fact, the Bible takes it a step farther and says no one is good.

      O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
      Romans 7:25

      That’s why we must put to death the self.

      I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
      Galatians 2:20

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    • godlessliberal
      Posted on July 1, 2011 at 10:58am

      i have been told i can’t be good without your silly “god” many times, and i volunteer at a hospital, am joining the peace corps, and plan on taking the vow of poverty as a teacher so i can help others. as an atheist i get huge amounts of persecution from you “christ-like” people, who are really doing nothing to help advance the human condition, so i feel you all complaining that this is “atheists just complaining about not getting what they want”, shut up. we have to deal with your imaginary friend everywhere we go. that nonsense is even on our currency. now…let the angry comments ensue!

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    • rtdodge
      Posted on July 1, 2011 at 12:02pm

      “religion is and always has been the primary, and of course most effective expounder of proper morals and human decency”

      Sorry… I just don’t consider sexually abusing children, then shuffling priest and covering it up to be “proper morals and human decency.” I aspire to a higher set of morals and values!

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    • ConservDadASD
      Posted on July 1, 2011 at 1:24pm

      RTDodge: What are these higher morals & values of yours based on? Actually, what are these higher morals & values, period? Can you list them for us? Then, can you tell us what they are based on?

      Rachel Rocket, where in the Bible does it say to drown your children. Jesus, who came from the Father, in fact said that if someone was to try to lead “one of these little ones” away into evil… it would be better if he were weighted down with a millstone and cast into the sea. It seems that the perpetrator is in danger of drowning. Also, God was angry when his people the Israelites turned to false gods and sacrificed their children on the alter of these gods… It seems to me that God & his incarnate Son both loved children and would not have them killed as you said. He even stopped Abraham from killing Isaac because He was only testing Abraham and his faith. As far as stoning wives… i’m not sure where that wording comes from. There were old testament laws that called for death sentence for a number of things… yet many of these laws were put into place to set aprart the Jews from the peoples around them…. to set a standard…. an example. He wanted his people to live their lives according to His standards, not the pagan ones followed by everyone else. And many of these laws and penalties were eliminated later when the New Covenant was established. But it didn’t eliminate Gods view of what was right and what was wrong.

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    • Rachael Rocket
      Posted on July 1, 2011 at 1:46pm

      @Conservdad…. You remember that little story of Noah’s Ark where everyone was wiped out? Well nearly everyone.

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    • saganhill
      Posted on July 1, 2011 at 2:45pm

      So you actually beleive the church and religion “expounds” proper morals? Ask the people killed in the name of “god”–literally millions. The Spanish Inqisition, or the witch trials in Salem and those are the tip of the iceberg. Only a delusional like youself would beleive that you need a fictitious god to “expound” morals. You must have had a screwed up life as it shows in your beleif of the imaginary sky jockey who lives in the clouds.

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  • xoke
    Posted on June 30, 2011 at 5:00pm

    Oh the humanity!

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  • I Hear the Wolves
    Posted on June 30, 2011 at 4:59pm

    “Do its deacons truly believe one can’t be good without God?”

    As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one.

    Romans 3:10

    “No one is good–except God alone.”

    Mark 10:18b

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    • Elena2010
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 6:45pm

      Spot on, Wolves.

      The Bible makes it clear that we humans can do bad all by ourselves, but esp when we push God away.

      To those who think that God causes cancer, think again. He has moved aside His Glory and ultimate sovereignty for a season to make room for our free will. Our free will has made a mess of things. Thus it is that we live in a broken and fallen world. It is this brokenness that causes cancer and other suffering. There is also “cosmic” evil with an eye on us as a wolf eyes the lamb. Cosmic evil causes a great deal of suffering as well, since it’s been let loose as a result of our refusal to take God at His word. Even more woe happens when cosmic evil combines forces with human evil — Turks who worked very hard at killing the Armenians, Mao’s mass cycles of starvation of his own people, Soviet starvation of Ukrainians, the Holocaust, Rwanda, need I go on?

      Evil comes in various shapes. Don’t blame God for that. Blame our misuse of free will.

      But there is good news: God can use the suffering for GOOD, but only if we choose to give Him the pain and disappointments.

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    • jedi.kep
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 10:48pm

      Dude! Spell the words correctly in the title!

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    • SamIamTwo
      Posted on July 1, 2011 at 8:37am

      I need not say no more. BINGO!

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    • ZZero
      Posted on July 1, 2011 at 8:50am

      AMEN Wolfman.

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    • cykoaudio
      Posted on July 1, 2011 at 6:34pm

      yes that is the point,that this sign and atheist MISS the POINT COMPLETELY..Christians DO NOT beleive you are “good” or better for being a believer…in fact quite the opposite..Christians believe we are ALL IMPERFECT,& in God’s light,even Billy Graham looks like a sunspot..a lot like sun spots..cuz they are bright to a human,but in comparison to the surrounding sunlight,they look dark here on earth…Real Christians,those that actually read the Bible & not use for their own purposes,know that believers and non-believers alike fall short of the purity of God,so WE ALL need the same Holy spiritual fire to cleanse us,like gold needs to be purified in fire…so atheists out there, stop saying stuff that Christians don’t even believe,read the Bible first before you comment on what you think the Bible says,or better yet,take a bad apple Christians view and use that to make it appear as if that is what all Christians believe..Christians don‘t think they’re better than anyone,even if you’d like to believe they are as narcissistic as most atheist are..which is part of the job description..the desire to not believe in something higher than you are,or that hedonism is universally wrong,and that maybe moral relativism doesn’t exist..but wanting to believe that you are the greatest thing in universe and nothing can tell you are wrong about something or that leisure sex might be wrong,sorry you are not the center of the universe atheists,there is something higher than you

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  • I.Gaspar
    Posted on June 30, 2011 at 4:57pm

    God forbid if the the church put something up praising God..on their own property.
    The ACLU would have had the billboard down in two seconds and nobody in the press would have mentioned it.
    See what they do with this story. They will demonize the church and somehow bring Michele Bachmann into it.
    I hate the leftists.

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    • HUGGINGMYBABIES
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 5:09pm

      Athiests the most miserable people I have ever met……surly and just plain mean….not to mention the constant pessimistic tone. Good for that pastor!

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    • Trance
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 5:10pm

      I see pro-religious signs all the time on the freeway between Chicago and Indianapolis. Mostly anti-abortion, but also bible scriptures. The ACLU has no basis for a lawsuit when the signs are on private property.

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    • chiefparker
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 5:10pm

      Poor wittle Annie…..No-one wants to pway with her.

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    • JRook
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 5:15pm

      Wonder if the church is paying taxes on the revenue derived from the billboard. It certainly is not related to their mission or non-profit status.

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    • chiefparker
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 5:17pm

      Annie’s worried about acceptance. Whether or not people like you (for any reason) doesn’t make your life better. No-one is going to tell you the truth anyway. Keep in mind though Annie, Satan accepts anybody.

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    • getalong
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 5:28pm

      A world without God is the progressive’s ultimate dream. Trying to remove God and replace God with man.

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    • Marengo Ohio Patriot
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 5:36pm

      As an Agnostic, I can only say that I am appalled. I can, and have been, good without God. My actions speak me. I do not need a billboard to announce/declare it! I also find it offensive, that this group claims they are only trying to ENCOURAGE acceptance of their beliefs. Fact is, they are trying to shove those beliefs down everyone’s throat!

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    • GodHatesFigs
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 5:44pm

      I am an atheist. I don’t think I am miserable. I do know some atheists who like described would foam at the mouth if someone tried to tell them there is a god. However, I know far more religious folks and in particular christians would would have a similar or bigger reaction if you said the opposite. Annie Laurie is correct in starting that the pastor’s reaction is exactly why these billboards are important. They don’t even say there is no god, only that one can lead a good life not believing a god exists. There are many libertarian mined folks in the atheist community that could be an asset.

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    • Jimbo49
      Posted on July 1, 2011 at 2:28pm

      The ideas of right and wrong, good and bad in western civilization, come from the Judeao-Christian philosophy. Any atheist or libertarian who claims they can lead a “good” life, without God, are disregarding the thousand of years of tradition, mostly religously based, that define what a good life is. When supreme being dictates what is acceptable, who are we as mere men to question it. However, once God is removed from the equation, and man becmes the final arbiter of good and bad, the question becomes; what man? Jesus, the man, Buddha, Ghandi, MLK, Jon Stewart, Charlie Sheen, Snoop Dog, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot? It doesn’t really take too much thought to see what kind of society we will devolve into. One man or another. It really doesn’t matter. My ideas of right and wrong are just as valid as anyone elses. I can make up or say anything I want. Who can dispute me? On what authority? I am man. I am final authority of what is acceptable.
      God is the glue that holds society together. Without His guidance and direction, we are at the mercy of the most extreme and ruthless.

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    • theindividual
      Posted on July 2, 2011 at 12:04am

      Ok ok ok….I think too many Christians act like Prometheus and don‘t realize that sometime’s people are best left without the fire. It may have been better had they not been born as well…but if you ask me, an atheist really can’t be trusted…libertarians and marxists are too similar in their methods to really be distinguished untill the very very very end.

      Ever hear of the story about the snake and the squirrel?

      The squirrel gathers its nuts for the winter, while the snake lies in wait….then the snake eats the squirrel and the nuts when winter comes.

      Winter = hard times AKA crisis

      Very much like how a drowning person drowns the rescuer.

      Acorn …the group…is basically a snake laying in wait. Watch out for other of those types of “opportunists”.

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    • Rachael Rocket
      Posted on July 2, 2011 at 1:03am

      Why can’t god forgive without shedding blood of his son? I have forgiven people many times in my life and no one had to die for me to do it. I feel like I’ve stepped into the stone age reading these comments.

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    • Sound The Trumpet In Zion
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 5:45pm

      The Bible says that people can be good and they can be good without Him. It just also says that it doesn‘t matter how good you are you won’t make it into Heaven unless you do it through Jesus. It says that no matter how good you are, it is not good enough for your own salvation.

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    • lemmings4obama
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 5:45pm

      Oh, you are absolutely right. I’ve never heard any Christian say, “You can’t be good without God.” That’s not the point. It doesn’t take God to know the difference between right and wrong. But studying the Word helps define the difference. We all are evil at times because it is in our flesh. Lord knows that I’ve sinned at least once or twice. :) However, God CAN make you better, if you allow Him to and you believe His word.

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    • ZOMBIE JESUS LOVES ME
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 5:46pm

      God is good … al the time. (Except when he’s giving some child leukemia.)

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    • GodHatesFigs
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 5:54pm

      I’d also like to point out again how misleading blaze headlines can be. The”atheists weren’t forced to take down their billboard, the pastor pressured the billboard company to move the billboard somewhere else.

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    • I Hear the Wolves
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 6:17pm

      @Sound the Trumpet in Zion & Lemmings4Obama

      The Bible does not, in fact, say that people can be good without God. It clearly says just the opposite.

      For I know that nothing good dwells within me, that is, in my flesh. I can will what is right, but I cannot perform it. [I have the intention and urge to do what is right, but no power to carry it out.]
      For I fail to practice the good deeds I desire to do, but the evil deeds that I do not desire to do are what I am [ever] doing.
      Romans 7:18-19 Amplified Version

      If you have never heard a Christian say a person cannot be good apart from God, allow me to be the first. Also, if you will permit me, I would suggest you find a new church.

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    • texasken
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 6:38pm

      Those of you who say you’re good: from where do you get your standard of what is good and bad (or evil)? Those standards are certainly not inherent in mankind. The concept of “good” differs from culture to culture, and the ideas that we Americans view as “good” come from our Christian heritage. Buddhists have little to no respect for human life; ditto Muslims. Hindus view human life as something to be endured with gritted teeth in the hope that the next life might be better. Stealing and lying and begging are honored traditions in Islam. Placing animals above humans is the norm in Hinduism. That we view these things as “bad” is a reflection of Judeo-Christian values.

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    • MrButcher
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 6:43pm

      @Marengo

      You do have a point. However, non-believers need to push back agaisnt religious encroahment into everyday life. This sign is not trying to force beliefs or thoughts on anyone. It merely says “good without god.” Which strikes at the very core of the real and broader debate: morality and ethics. And I’m sure you can agree that the supernaturalists have no exclusive claim whatsoever to morality and ethics. Actually, they tend to be far less moral and ethical than Humanists and non-believers, I’ve found. Beyond that, the very texts that Christianity is based on are filled with immoral and idiotic preachments that the religious largly ignore.

      The great secret of Christianity is, around the time of Justinian (5th century CE), it usurped, preverted and declared its own something that is innate: human solidarity, empathy and morality. It may come as a shock to some but these things have been discussed and pondered since the beginning of recorded history (look no further than 5 century BCE Athens for debates on this matter that evoked other gods all together) and they always will be subject for debate.

      Christians just need to feel percecuted. Its part of their religion.

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    • Margyt
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 6:46pm

      How about a PETA add on the property of a hamburger joint? Maybe a pro-life add on the property of an abortion clinic? Shall I go on? I think the “No one shall abridge my right to offend” clause in the constitution must be upheld. Oh, wait, it is private property rights that are in the constitution. Never mind.

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    • PATTY HENRY
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 7:58pm

      Ever ask yourself “Why do Atheists care whether I believe in God or not?” Here is the answer:

      In order to destroy a civilzation and gain control of it’s citizens the first thing that has to happen is for the group trying to take over must DEMORALIZE the citizens. They have to have one thing after another (one more shocking than the next); they have to stack the courts with people who have been promised special privileges when “they take over”; then they have to Kill any Faith that the Citizens might have.

      These people are not just expressing themselves a la Freedom of Speech…they are part of the group who wants to take over America, destroy it so that a few (SOROS) can come in and buy up everything for 10 cents on the dollar.
      HOW do we fight this? 1. KNOW it’s is happening. 2. SHARE your knowledge with others 3. (should be first) TURN TO GOD for you and your families.

      These posts on these threads are paid for by people like SOROS. These are people on a quest. The quest is to end America as we know it. Be aware.

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    • Rachael Rocket
      Posted on July 1, 2011 at 11:33am

      Atheist do not so much care that you believe in God or not. Personally I just would like to attend school or any government function without someone’s religion being prayed down my throat. I don’t go to your church, don’t bring the religious service to me.

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    • Centralsville
      Posted on July 1, 2011 at 11:40am

      It‘s that pesky freedom of speech and religion getting in your way isn’t it.

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    • banjarmon
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 8:04pm

      Have you been around death? Atheists die in fear of death…Christians are glad to be going HOME.

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    • Rachael Rocket
      Posted on July 1, 2011 at 11:38am

      That’s funny. I have never in my life seen a Christian happy to go home lol. They mount praying armies asking their God not to send them home. Never understood how they can talk about heaven like they can’t wait to get there but seem scared to death to go!

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    • Centralsville
      Posted on July 1, 2011 at 11:43am

      Wrong. I don‘t fear death at all and to be completely honest look forward to the end and God’s return. Most Christians do have a better life, the best life, surrounded by loved ones. It is hard to let go of that even knowing what God has waiting for you.

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    • triquad
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 8:32pm

      My first question is,is this Moron grom Columbia here as a student or so he claims legal.If not we need to get him out of our country

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    • I support God's Israel!
      Posted on July 1, 2011 at 4:51pm

      Love the sinner, hate the sin. That is what Christians need to do – not bomb abortion clinics, not to slander homosexuals, not to abuse the unrighteous, but to love them. That does not mean we are to hang around with them because the Bible tells us to not have any company with them or you will slide back into sin. So, pray for these people who are misguided and have believe the lies of Satan. It is their soul that is most important and if they lose their soul, they will be lost in eternity at death. That is a very, very long time to be without God and Jesus. I would be petrified if I didn’t serve Jesus. Being a Christian is the hardest thing you will ever do. WHY? Because the devil now has marked you and will attack you in more ways than you can think of. But, is it worth serving the Lord? I would say yes because eternity is forever and life on earth is but a short time. God knows your heart and if you are not sincere, He will know. I would suggest to those of you who don’t know what to do, pick up an Amplified Bible or an NIV or one of those and read Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John first. Then, ask God to help you understand what He wants for your life. HE WILL GUIDE YOU THEN, I PROMISE YOU. But, YOU have to ask.

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    • MrButcher
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 9:07pm

      @Patty Henry

      Really?

      You mean George Soros will pay me to post on this site with the intention of questioning, challanging and pointing out the dangers of nationalistic Christianity and how it relates to American history and the world’s future?

      No, thanks.

      I’ll remain, as ever. promotor fidei and probus adversarius

      with love

      cheers

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    • Marci
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 9:12pm

      Good. Atheists have made it a RELIGION to stamp out and silence any mention of God. Enough is enough. That is the church’s property. If they want to go worship a rock or the government, more power to them. But they do not retain the right to stamp out other’s freedom of religion based on their petty grievances that include taking away the free speech of others to enable theirs.

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    • Aaron in Polk County
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 10:23pm

      You know? I almost didn’t post this because I could care less that anyone believes in God or a Supernatural Being. But many comments on this thread are very negative towards Atheist.

      Let me tell you, as a born again Atheist, I have never felt so free in my life. I have become more focused on my current situation rather than my next life.

      I have 10% more money.
      I have more time on Sunday to make more money, visit my granddaughter, or do anything else I want.
      I am responsible and accountable to myself, not some leader (priest/minister), or a super natural being.
      The result of this is more success and happiness for me and my family.

      Let me be clear. I love you all. I respect your beliefs. Just, please, so be so hateful towards Atheist. We aren’t the ones trying to persuade anyone to believe anything (like most religions do). We aren’t build Great Structures (symbols) or dressing our leaders in Gold Trimmed Robes (and Prada shoes).

      There are many things I could point out that seems hypocritical about any Church (Christian, Muslim, etc…) but I am not here to change your mind. I am just letting you know that the attacks I have read on this thread are very unchristian-like.

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    • Viet Vet
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 10:37pm

      If atheists and agnostics follow the laws of the land they will be good, because our laws come from the first five books of the Bible, the lawbooks of the Bible. Atheists, as do all of us, live under Biblical law.

      x

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    • USAMama
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 11:37pm

      “Now, the only remaining question is: Can one truly be good without God?”

      The answer is NO, one cannot truly be good with or without God:

      Matthew 19:16 NKJV – “Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”

      So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” (Matthew 19:17 NKJV)

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    • JOCASSEEJO
      Posted on July 1, 2011 at 3:02am

      Good grief, here we go again. The next thing you know the atheists will be wanting the government to change God’s laws so that they will have the right to marry each other! Oh wait a minute they can do that already and I think I unfortunately used to be married to one!

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    • FormerLib
      Posted on July 1, 2011 at 10:22am

      Of course a person can be good without God. But they can never be good enough, because “good” is not the standard. .

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    • zoro51
      Posted on July 1, 2011 at 12:52pm

      NO man is good only GOD is good period this daft twit when he dies lets see. heaven?? HELL// HMMMMM HELL all ahve come short of the glory of god.. bibles clear on many items oh well,… on his death bed whom will he call out to?/ ISIS???? next

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    • I support God's Israel!
      Posted on July 1, 2011 at 4:46pm

      The only redeeming power is thru Jesus Christ. So if you claim to be good, yet are not redeemed thru the blood of Jesus, then it is a lie of the devil and it is temporary. Only salvation can allow you to be righteous before God. If you are not in right-standing (you are saved and serve Jesus) with God (righteous), then you do not belong to HIM. It is as simple as that. The devil will do just about anything he can, like telling people there are many paths to God, to turn you from the Father. God gives us free will, so it would be your free will to choose either God Himself, or the many paths. However, the many paths will lead you right back to Satan because you will not find God in any of them. There is only 1 God, his Son, Jesus, and 1 salvation. Any other is a lie of the devil. You MUST accept God’s plan for mankind thru His Son in order to go to Heaven when you pass on. THAT IS IT IN A NUTSHELL. If you want to believe the devil, that again, is your choice, but think about this:

      If what I said above is false, then you have lost nothing. But, if what I said above is TRUE, then you will have lost everything if you do not choose Jesus Christ. The devil will try to confuse you and trick you, but know this: THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO GOD, AND THAT IS THROUGH HIS SON JESUS CHRIST – period, no ands, ifs, or buts. CHOOSE WHOM YOU WILL SERVE because all of us, yes you an I, WILL face God on Judgment Day and by then, it WILL be too late.

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    • cykoaudio
      Posted on July 1, 2011 at 6:11pm

      I agree,and these lawyers that speak for them,I mean,“social acceptance”?..since when are non-believers no socially accepted?..EVERY CHRISTIAN has a “socially accepted” friend,AND doesn’t just befriend them to preach to them,but to actually hang out and have a beer or whatever……it’s like the gay/lesbian community shouting,yelling and having parades to be “in your face”..if they & atheist groups want to be socially accepted,stop acting like wankers and looking for so much attention like teenage girls

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