Atheists Sue to Stop Display of Cross at World Trade Center Memorial
- Posted on July 26, 2011 at 9:33am by
Billy Hallowell
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A group of atheists is up in arms over the display of a cross at the 9/11 Memorial and Museum. The World Trade Center memorial, which is intended to serve as a reminder of the tragic terror attack that occurred nearly 10 years ago, is scheduled to open on the event’s 10th anniversary.
(Read what Meredith Jessup has to say about this legal challenge over on the blog.)
When the Twin Towers collapsed on September 11, 2001, two beams perfectly formed the cross, which many view as both symbolic and iconic. It is this object — a steel cross — that is perfect fodder for atheists and non-believers who do not wish to see any religious items included in the memorial.
According to American Atheists (the same organization that coordinated July 4 plane banners in cities across the nation), the cross’ inclusion constitutes an “impermissible mingling of church and state.” Despite some opposition, over the weekend, the controversial object was blessed and moved to its new location within the memorial. CNN has more:
The cross was moved Saturday from near a church to its new home at the 9/11 Memorial and Museum. There was also ceremonial blessing of the cross in a service led by Father Brian Jordan, a Franciscan monk who ministered to workers clearing the area after the 9/11 attacks.
You can watch the blessing, below:
Dave Silverman, president of American Atheists, believes that the cross has evolved beyond a mere symbol and that it has become a “Christian icon.” He says:
“It has been blessed by so-called holy men and presented as a reminder that their god, who couldn’t be bothered to stop the Muslim terrorists or prevent 3,000 people from being killed in his name, cared only enough to bestow upon us some rubble that resembles a cross. It’s a truly ridiculous assertion.”
Of course, Joe Daniels, president of the 9/11 Memorial, doesn’t agree. Rather than worrying about the religious connotations associated with the cross, he says that it is “an important part of our commitment to bring back the authentic physical reminders that tell the history of 9/11 in a way nothing else could.”
Silverman’s group, which filed the lawsuit this week in state court in New York, posted a copy of the legal document on its web site. Among those named in the complaint are the state of New Jersey, New York City, Mayor Michael Bloomberg, and New Jersey Governor Chris Christie. On the organization’s web site, the following is written:
We love this country, and our constitution. We honor the dead and respect the families, which is why we will not allow the many Christians who died get preferential representation over the many non-Christians who suffered the same fate. This was an attack against America, not Christianity, and Christianity…does not deserve special placement just because the girders look like their religious symbol.
With the memorial opening in a month and a half, the cross will surely be on display. The legal battle surrounding it, though, is far from over. American Atheists seem bent on pushing forward until the group’s goal of a commemorative museum without the cross is recognized.
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smokeysmoke
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:15amyou think some one who BELIEVES IN NOTHING, would not care so much about something
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:30amI don’t believe in Santa Claus so, I am starting a crusade to remove him from all Christmas decorations . Makes about as much sense.
Report Post »Mrtoohappy
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:33amRemember the old saying “There Is No Atheist in the Fox Hole.”
Report Post »Jackson
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:34amWhen these athiest loons pop up, we need to quiz them about the Establishment clause and the Expression clause! They are the result of progressive education and have no idea what they are talking about. Any time someone says “seperation of church and state” ask where that is written. They always respond “it’s in the Constitution”. A simple “show me” puts the conversation on a completely different track! They don’t have a clue what our Constitution mandates with regard to religion!
Report Post »EZDOZIT
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:35amYour honor, WE (atheist) are here today , to ask this court to get rid of something we do not believe exist. Sir, you are in the wrong institution, you should take your case to a mental institution. Case dismissed!
Report Post »thegrassroots
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:48amContact these atheists, America. Let them know their ignorance of the Constitution has gained National attention. Separation of church and state is not in the Constitution.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 11:00amThis is why those muslims want a theocracy[their religion is saanctioned and privileged in such a government].An official religion is in a secular democracy would also allow that religion to be favored over others hence such perks would be given it.[Huge churches of that demomination could be built but no large mineretes say] .Now as a democracy that upholds the principle of freedom from religion as preferable to an official religion,you has to accept the conseqquences of that choice for your democracy.Not only can you not allow a cross you can’t allow any religios symbolism.And of couse you can’t ban mosques from being built and your building ordinances can only go so far.You hypocrites smuggly denoucing theocracy, official religions one minute and 5 minutes after 9-11 in your newfound hatred of muslims surrendering like surrender monkeys to everything you gloated about 5 minutes before.Of course in reality you right wingers are really like that norweigiian crusader really cultural christians who use Christ and His cross as a foil to your hatred of muslims and islam.No one is fooled.But thank goodness the laws impede your hateful crusader foil cross from being displayed at that sight.[i'm a catholic but not a cultural christian.i stand with muslims and european socialist democracies against the 21st c antisemites[against muslims this time]and will not use the Holy Cross as a hateful foil against muslims or anyone].
Report Post »HankScram
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 11:31amNot all religions use the cross. Look at a mormon church. You will never see a cross on a mormon church or out in front of a mormon church. They see it as a symbol of death and don’t use it.
We have a mosque a few blocks away from the 9-11 site, we can certainly have a cross.
Report Post »beckwasfox
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 11:43amThose atheists that are also of a liberal mindset wish to control the message in every way. Crosses aren’t allowed anywhere, they shout down wide recievers for books they choose to read…It won’t be long before these progressive socialists go back to their Nazi roots and have book bonfires. The parallels between the progressive mind and the nazi mind are truly frightening.
Report Post »beckisnuts
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 11:48amGonzo, Christmas and fantasy characters like Santa are inseparable. Church and State are another matter. They should be separate and sometimes we have to work to ensure religious elements and symbols do not become a part of something officially part of the government, such as this museum. So your statement failed to take this crucial element into consideration.
Report Post »Uncle Tom
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 11:53am@ Rose-Ellen
Surrender Monkeys!?! Ha! I love it! And incidentally, I love you, my dearest Rosebud!
Report Post »abadbrad
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 12:04pmI don’t see a cross…..I see a big plus sign.
Report Post »Do you think they will believe that…oh wait they don’t believe in nothing
beckisnuts
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 12:07pmAnd still there is no story on the Blaze about the trial of accused child rapist Warren Jeffs of the FLDS church. All of the other media outlest are reporting on it. Why not here on the Blaze Glenneth?
Report Post »beckisnuts
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 12:08pmAnd still there is no story on the Blaze about the trial of accused child rapist Warren Jeffs of the FLDS church. All of the other media outlets are reporting on it. Why not here on the Blaze Glenneth?
Mtroom
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 12:08pmDon’t care what they think…they say they believe in the constitution …Um Freedom of religion …i wanna start a lawsuit against them for not allowing me to practice my religion…how bout that you non- American atheists
Report Post »dont tread
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 12:16pmIf nothing else, this sends a strong message to radical muslims that we will not be shaken by terrorists.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 12:25pmRose-Ellen..you seem to be all over the place. A minaret is not a mosque. A minaret is the tall structure from which the mullah calls muslims to prayer. If indeed you know what a minaret is as opposed to a mosque, then your writing needs a lot of work. Furthermore, you misquoted the line..it’s “freedom OF religion” not your “freedom FROM religion”. Rather insidious of you to attempt that wouldn’t you say? You exhibit a distinct lack of understanding of the ultra-nationalist movements in nordic countries when you attempt to tie Breivik to Christian movements. If you had any idea of the dynamics of what‘s happening in countries like Norway or Denmark then you’d know that there is a small but militant movement that wants to remove Christianity from those countries, is ultra-nationalist in nature and against any “pollution” of nordic races. It‘s from this mindset that Breivik’s delusions come from. Likely Breivik is as anti-christian as you are. Even more likely, Breivik is simply a psychotic like Loughner. I dare you to present to us here any solid evidence that he’s christian. You are typical of the groupthink of the left when you twist the word “crusade” out of it’s modern usage to use as something still of a christian complexion. To any clear and rational mind, the word “crusade” has shed it‘s medieval trappings and is used for anyone’s “cause celebre” today. Rose-Ellen..please stop insulting our intelligence with your meandering, incoheren
Report Post »aesaac
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 12:41pmwhat a perfect symbol of resurection. silverman doesn’t believe in soul either, love, romance, emotional abstraction, symbolism ie. the dove of peace. the guy is linear, unhappy in is marriage and his life, he is incapable of transcendence, the willing suspension of disbelief, awe; he is intent on having the world suffer the same universe of meaninglessness that he does – he is a pseudointellect and needs to understand Carle Jung and myth in the claptrap that is his mind.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 12:47pmGonzo..in short what “Beckisnuts” is saying is it’s permissable to erase particular events (like the workers at the site raising a cross made from the steel girders of the fallen WTC in memory of the lives lost there) from the historical record if they insult atheist or indeed leftist sensibilities. Therefore any spontaneous displays of compassion that display any religious leaning are to be removed or better yet denied in “Beckisnuts’” little world. Atheists are such fragile little things.
Report Post »cemerius
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 12:50pmThey are trying to use the governement to enforce converts….make people feel embarrased and harassed enough to “go with the flow”……..Where are those “Salem witch burners” when we need them? lol
Report Post »ErinLindsey
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 12:55pmI’m an atheist, but it really really ticks me off when other atheists do stuff like this. The cross isnt hurting anyone, it might be helping some people who were there *that* day. It’s arrogant of those atheists to try to stop the cross from being displayed. It’s a part of history. People who survived that day saw the cross and took some meaning from it, either because they survived, or in memory of the people that didnt. They see the cross as something comforting. Which everyone needed that day. Because of that, I do not see the harm in putting the cross in the memorial.
I wish my fellow atheists would stop getting their panties in a wad anytime someone prays in their general direction or every time they see a Christian cross. The only way religion will hurt someone is if someone kills you in the name of whatever god they’re following
Report Post »SouthSideLib
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 12:58pmThere were a lot of non-christians killed, it is disrespectful to put a cross over them. Would you defend the memorial if the only symbols were Islamic?
Report Post »Drakkhanlord
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 12:58pmthese are not atheists , they are progressives pushing an agenda …they are just using Atheists as the fallguys…
Report Post »mikem1969
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 1:06pmTo all athiests, you don’t believe in God, so I don’t believe in you. So go away and quit offending me and those like me just because we are believers.
Report Post »Obama Bin Lying
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 1:07pm@Rose-Ellen, First and foremost…please seek proffesional medical help. Second, maybe you should research what you want to say first. Because when you write something that is incorrect you only look like a moron.
Second, why don’t athiests sue to stop the Mosque at Ground Zero? Just because you don’t believe in something, doesn’t mean you have to force everyone else to suffer.
Report Post »Shiroi Raion
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 1:53pmI‘m an atheist and I don’t care if there are crosses and Christmas trees, whatever…
There’s nothing offensive about a cross.
Report Post »These aren’t normal atheists; they’re secular activists that simply want to cause trouble and hope to steal money via some witless or activist judge.
edinger58
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 1:56pmWho is more irrational, someone who believes in a God they cannot see; or someone who is offended by a God they don’t believe in?
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 2:04pmCome on really!…..Who didn’t see this coming?
Report Post »Let em pound sand!…..The cross ain’t going away!………….
Marci
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 2:06pmWhy do atheists make a religion out of destroying religion?
Report Post »LadyLiberty
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 2:25pmThis is what I don’t get about atheists…If they don’t believe in God or religion, why does it bother them if someone else might? Why must everything be devoid of any hint of God to them? Ground Zero is one GIANT cemetery stretching from the Twin Towers site outward about 5 blocks or more in every direction (body parts and bones were found that far away). If anywhere there should be a Cross, it is at this memorial.
Report Post »the hawk
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 2:40pmIdol worship?
Report Post »LET MAN MAKE NO IMAGE IN Likeliness to heaven or Earth and bow down in worship!
just say’in……… bought my wife a nice Gold cross last christmass, she loves it ,does’nt pray to it !
the hawk
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 2:43pmThe JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES WILL NOT GO THERE fOR THE CROSS !
Report Post »They are non political anyway……….sound like anyone else…………except Jesus?
the hawk
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 2:48pmWonder if they’d be OK with it upside down ? the atheists that is ?
Report Post »rodamaa
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 3:01pmI don’t believe in Obama, why can we start a campaign to remove him too?
Report Post »scarebear83
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 3:39pm“The cross was moved Saturday from near a church to its new home at the 9/11 Memorial and **Museum.**” Exactly, it’s a museum, not a government building in which government officials are going to be making and passing legislation. Which is why I don’t understand why they are getting so upset over it. It’s a piece of history. At least I‘m pretty sure the mayor of NY isn’t going to stand right under it and sign a piece of legislation so how is this combining church and state?
Report Post »KingDork
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 3:50pmthey are the most (excuse my netebonics/french here) butthurt people I had ever seen. Their fanaticism and hate is astounding. I personally see little difference between them and radical islam.
Report Post »dscon
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:41pmyou really are a hatefilled individual…
Report Post »Greenwood
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:46pmROSE_ELLEN…….This is not a democracy,I know people like using that word a lot but it’s a Republic. Democracy is mob rule like the union protests in Madison (this is what democracy looks like)
Report Post »yosemitefan
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:49pm@Smokey
I agree. Who gives a flying flip in a rolling donut what an atheist thinks. Those who dont believe in God stay home and contemplate their navel or pray to a tree in their back yard. The rest of society can appreciate the beautiful cross.
Report Post »mycomet123
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:07pmAmerica was founded as christian nation. If anyone has a problem with God in America it can easily be resolved–LEAVE, flights are leaving for China as we speak.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:21pm“Cultural Christian” is it Rose-Ellen? Just like you’re a “cultural” marxist but you wouldn’t put people in Gulags the way real Marxists do, right? So you’ve accepted the manifesto of a psychotic as having some kind of weight in the way christianity is practiced? So a “cultural christian”- per Mr Breivik- isn’t someone who actualy practices Christianity, attends church and believes in a resurrected Christ as their redeemer but someone who just uses it for some kind of cultural identity? In other words…someone who’s not actually a christian. You’ve lost the argument right there Rose-Ellen, take your little war with the west and christianity- along with your meandering, poorly written chickenscratch- back to Moveon and tell them to give you better material.
Report Post »kkentucky
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:44pmExactly!!! Why should they care, if a cross means nothing to them? They do not just want the right to believe (or not believe) how they choose, they also want to be able to take away from what others believe….unless its Muslim, that they are ok with.
Report Post »Shell
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:58pmWell said Smokeysmoke
Report Post »mils
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 6:41pmWHY…does the minority override the majority in this country?
Report Post »Pujols
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 7:14pmA true Atheist doesn’t care about anything like this. Bibles, Crosses, etc.
These people sound like Black Racist.
Wait you can’t be a black and be a racist. Nevermind.
Report Post »Prepared
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 7:54pmWell put smoke. ACLU products. Sad to know there are so many peeps out there who think that this species is as good as it gets. That would be a practical joke. I would imagine that even monkeys don’t believe in Darwinism.
Report Post »Prepared
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 7:59pmSo what is the process if I want to complain that an atheist has offended me by being offended by me?
Report Post »BlkWdow
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 8:17pmSmokeysmoke- the only they believe in is being a pain in the ass.
Report Post »Gonzo- don’t laugh..it will happen. They’ve already pushed Christ out of Christmas…the USA is going to hell in a hand bag…arm up!
holy ghostbuster
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 9:30pmGo for it Gonzo. It’s time we stop lying to our children and teach them to grow up in reality. Reality will get you much farther in life than fantasy.
Report Post »holy ghostbuster
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 9:52pmAtheists believe in many things other than a god or God’s. You should get your head out of your @ss.
Report Post »christianUSA
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 11:10pmExactly if he really believes not in any god it should be just a metal; but it would be ok if his group survivors also put their memorial at site, it would not bother me as a Christian; so why are his atheists so intolerant?
Report Post »Seems less civilized and educated?
Mil Mom
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 2:13amDave Silverman, president of American Atheists, believes that the cross has evolved beyond a mere symbol and that it has become a “Christian icon.”
Report Post »*****
I couldn’t believe this statement when Glenn read it on radio this a.m. and still can’t.
Wasn’t the cross, a Christian Icon, BEFORE it bacame a MERE SYMBOL? So, has it Evolved back into what it started out to be? No wonder they’re roaring about that, if The Cross, can evolve back into a Christian Icon, then it stands to reason that, “This nation can evolve back into a Moral Nation, by returning to the Judeo-Christian Principals it was founded on!! ”
Please God, have mercy upon us, and may it be so?
Mil Mom
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 2:18am@beckisnuts
Report Post »Posted on July 26, 2011 at 11:48am
Gonzo, Christmas and fantasy characters like Santa are inseparable. Church and State are another matter. They should be separate and sometimes we have to work to ensure religious elements and symbols do not become a part of something officially part of the government,
****
If you think Santa Claus isn’t a religion, go into a Pre-School or First Grade class and tell the kids that there IS NO SANTA, You’ll find more fiery Religious Zealots out to destroy you than Old Salem had Witch Hunters!
Mil Mom
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 2:33am@SouthSideLib
Report Post »Posted on July 26, 2011 at 12:58pm
There were a lot of non-christians killed, it is disrespectful to put a cross over them. Would you defend the memorial if the only symbols were Islamic?
***
Have you actually read the above remarks, or the stories they’re taken from? The people didn’t go out and build that cross to make a big issue out of it, ‘IT IS THE ORIGINAL BUILDING, (at least a very small portion of it.) IT FELL IN THE SHAPE OF THE CROSS YOU SEE IT IN NOW!!!! Nobody picked up pieces of girder and welded them into a cross during the attack unless it was the God, who knew that those Jihadi Muslims who did the attack were trying to destroy all that the Western World stood for, Yes, some of it financial, but most of it the freedom which that financial empire was built on, including FREEDOM OF RELIGION. They wish to replace it with “Convert or die!”, Thus, the thought God would have left that cross where it could so easily be seen, was a comfort to all the Western World that day, and should be still!
tallpines10
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 7:24ami agree, why do the atheists care. leave the cross right where it’s at!
Report Post »jhaydeng
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 7:42amWhy live if you don’t believe in something? Such evolved beings just walking around for what purpose? I am pretty sure that a good background check on these guy’s would show a traumatic life changing event that changed their minds! Life and death are all part of God’s plan and only he controls it! Disclaimer: These are the express opinions of ME and only ME.
Report Post »MysteryCitizen
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 4:56pmWhat is crazier, someone who believes in a God they cannot see or someonre who is afraid of a God they don’t believe exists?
Report Post »Deekayess
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 2:03amIf 95% of the world believe in some sort of diety or believe in GOD, why must we constantly entertain those that are in the uber-minority here? Let’s wake up America. We should not even give these people the time of day.
Report Post »mule creek ridge
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:14amThe great liar has you too fooled Mr Silverman. The same is the cause of 9-11. Yet, I‘ll bet you weren’t protesting the mosque. You Silverman,and your cohorts,are ignorant by choice. Go away!!
Report Post »USAMama
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 11:06amAnd may I just add the terrorists did NOT do that horrible act in His name, they did it in the name of Allah. Contrary to popular progressive belief the two are NOT one in the same. The Christian God of the Bible has nothing in common with Allah, at all!!
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 1:45pmFreedom of religion.got it. All the more the mosques have the right to be built everywhere churches could be built. Public [government ]buildings can‘t allow any religious representations or the peoples’ freedom of religion is violated in their having to encounter a state approval of a religion. The state cannot approve any religion but merely allow it as a right [no endorsement].Athiests don‘t sue the building of the mosque because it’s not at ground zero.This norweigiian is a cultural christian meaning he is not religious but fears the muslims hoardes will impose their culture on a his christian culture;a europe overun with mosques burquas and laws and provisions that mean nothing to a non muslims and where christian culture is by force of shear numbers[more muslims ,less christians] gets eradicated or marginalized. He is a cultural christian and that is a scarry term for like me a true catholic .i recognize that chrisitanity is dying out as a religion and is being replaced as simply a cultural foil in opposition to our hatred of islam.a cultural christian wants to see the history of western civilization preseved and sees islamic beliefs ar varience with that culture/tradition.so yes in that sense[ the new nefarious sign of a dying religion],he is a cultural christian.
Report Post »TX_45_ACP
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:13amThese atheists are nothing but cry-babies. Go home and whine to your mommies. Why don’t they spend their time doing something of value…
Report Post »Hula Calhoun
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:44amAnd spend their MONEY doing something of value. Where do they get the money for all of these lawsuits? I guess when you don’t believe in God, you don’t believe in charity.
Report Post »101
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:18pmThey ‘re using the word “atheist” to describe Muslims fight for Allah and destroying the word “God” and anything that symbolizes the western religion in America…I would really like to see pictures of the complainants or at least names, bet every last one of them are of middle eastern decent Muslims!
Report Post »WhatTheHuh
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:13amI saw this story the other day and wondered if somebody was going to sue, then lo and behold, somebody did. These people are so predictable.
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:12am*hides head*
These Atheists do not represent me. This is a display on private property. It has no connection whatsoever to any form of government establishment of religion. While they are absolutely right about the non-Christian to Christian ratio among the victims, this is a private, not a governmental affair.
I wish American Atheists would stop blowing their wad on these quixotic quests and focus their efforts where they could actually do come good, keeping religion out of government and government out of religion.
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 3:21pmCheers.
I agree 100%.
Report Post »hi
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:11amAre the atheists sueing over the Mosques being built there?
Report Post »Wayne
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:22amJust ignore them, they are trash anyway aqnd the devils deciples. They will bow before Christ one day and will regert this, but it will be to late. Hell is going to be HOT.
Report Post »riverdog1
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 3:09pmwhy would they sue, there are no mosques being built there. and by the way the norway shooter/bomber was one of yours kids. sucks to be a radical christian don’t it.
Report Post »101
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:52pmNo, because the atheists sueing are Muslims using America’s laws/courts against our American way of life…the laws were never designed with the thought Muslims could come in label themselves (Atheists) and use them against our traditional Western ways of God loving Americans.
Report Post »South Philly Boy
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:10amNeed to COUNTER SUE THEM
Report Post »cemerius
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:03amAthiests? If they just believe the Bible is a fairy tale? Why do they lose sleep over this? I can tell you that are afraid that the unity of religions is a powerful force! Why aren”t the Hindus, Jews, Muslims or Wiccans upset? Because they RESPECT others!! Athiests that “love this country, and our constitution” need to read the U.S. Constitution and KNOW there is NOTHING in there that says “seperation of church and state”………
Report Post »Servant Of YHVH
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:12amI agree with you in most parts but I will have to say that the muslims do not respect other religions, they are only keeping their mouths shut until they get enough of a muslim population to try and force every other religion to forsake God and worship their moon god.
As far as the atheists, I agree with you fully on that. I get more curious every day why they are so afraid of religion. If they really didn‘t believe in it then it wouldn’t bother them but everything that they do and everything that they say shows that not only do they believe in God but that they are terrified of Him. Perhaps in their hearts they know that humanism is a crock and that when they are reminded of that day after day by seeing crosses or any other religious symbol they are reminded of what they are truly terrified of which is that God is real and that they are in big trouble when they die and they don’t like that reminder. I know a number of people that claim to be atheists and you can tell the true atheists by the fact that they don’t outwardly at least seem to be bothered by religious symbols.
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:16amObviously, there were not enough moderate Muslims praying to stop the terrorist flying into the WTC, if you want to play ‘my ball is bigger than your ball’. Counter sue the non-believers because, as a Christian, I am sick and tired of them telling me what can and cannot be done. What gives them the right?!!!!?
Report Post »GodHatesFigs
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:43amThe constitution gives them the right. While I think that the suit is on shaky grounds, I agree with the sentiment. These atheist groups aren’t suing anyone to stop the practice of their religion, they just don’t want the government that is supposed to represent everyone endorsing a specific religion, and more specifically, a memorial that endorses a specific religion.
Report Post »gramma dee
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 1:31pm@godhates
Isn’t the Memoial on private, not government, property?
Report Post »GodHatesFigs
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 1:55pmI’m not sure about the property issue but I know the port authority of ny/nj is the construction manager for the project.
Report Post »SavingtheRepublic.com
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:01am^____^____^
So lets sue them! Where are the lawsuits against atheists? Why havent the 9/11 victim families not filed some suit against atheists for emotional distress?! C’mon I am sure there is some attorney out there who can conjure something up to counter this. Folks you cannot sit on the sidelines complaining, you must get active and counter the actions of radicals.
The longer you are silent the more ground you give them you will never get back! http://SavingtheReppublic.com
Report Post »turkey13
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:19amI’m getting fed up with these people reading the Constitution as We a few! Someone please start a national petition to address the atheist and the Aclu. No one is forcing them to look at the cross or go to Church. They live in America and have the freedom of movement, so move on down the street. I should not be forced to bend to their wills.
Report Post »Hiswill
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 12:43pmIt’s not majority rule here in America. If we (Christians) offend just one atheist, we lose. If they don’t believe in God, let them look upon the cross beams as metal that did not melt in the fire and let the Christians look at it as a sign of hope.
Report Post »CynicalLately
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:01amCan someone please explain this to me & make it untrue?? These do not look like mistakes to me! WTH?
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/michelle_obama.htm
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:11amIt looks like rabid paraoia to me. You and the author of that post are assuming that she knows what the hand signal for Satanism is. I didn’t. In fact, I have no idea that there truly is such a universally recognized hand gesture. When I grew up that sign, when used deliberately, meant bullsh*t. we weren’t being little satanists. It isn’t even clear tat she is making a sign at all. Some people just rest their hands in certain positions without thinkiing of anything. There is a gesture where you hold your thumb between 1st and 2nd finger in a closed hand. Clinton did that a lot. It is used often to substitute for a pointed finger, just the tip of the thumb is pointing out. It feels less beligerent. However, in Latin America that gesture is highly offensive, effectively meaning what the raised 2nd finger means here..
Report Post »CynicalLately
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:21amislesfordian:
Yes, but did you scroll down and see the other pictures. I agree the first one of michelle is not concerning, but the rest of them? Conincidence?
Report Post »mdlwoods
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 11:10amThat is also the symbol meaning, in Texas and for those who like the University of Texas teams, “Hook’em Horns” referring to the Longhorn steer that is the mascot of UT. George and Laura Bush are flashing the “Hook’em Horns sign. And where was Sarah when she flashed that sign? Was she in Texas? She could have also been flashing the “Hook’em Horn” sign. That whole writing is totally ridiculous, especially with the inference that Sarah Palin and the Bushes are flashing satanism signs! The author must not know Sarah or the Bush’s very well. They are very strong Christians who have a strong faith in God and his son, Jesus. Anyone who suggests otherwise is just ignorant.
Report Post »I Hear the Wolves
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 12:08pmObama (Barry) and Palin are clearly displaying American Sign Language for “I love you”. It looks like Michelle is just talking with her hands. The “devil horns” that George W. loved to throw around has the thumb making a circle with the middle and ring fingers, not sticking out to the side. My guess would be that there probably is something to the Bush/Cheney (and possibly Clinton) gestures, although whether it’s overtly satanic or just the equivalent of a secret handshake for some skull and bones secret club they all belong to, who can say. One less reason to like Bush, I guess.
Report Post »vennoye
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 1:10pmmdlwoods
Report Post »Thank you!! Think that was a flap about this when Bush did it over in Europe…….this must be a European thing, because to Texans, this hand gesture has never meant anything BUT “Hook um Horns” for those Longhorns at Unversity of Texas.
LeftyLieDetector
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 9:58amAnd atheists have to wonder why most people hate their guts..
Report Post »Beckisdelusional
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:02amTrust me, a lot more hate Christian Americans. You should ask around…
Report Post »Applehead
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:07amWhy are most Atheists that object crosses Jewish lead? We need for the Jews to stand with us Christians to keep our right for Jesus Christ in our country!!! Buy Christian!!! Buy from Christian companies 1st and take back America!
Report Post »riverdog1
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 3:11pmarn’t you christians suposed to love not hate?
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:35pmAnd still there is no story on the Blaze about the trial of accused child rapist Warren Jeffs of the FLDS church. All of the other media outlest are reporting on it. Why not here on the Blaze Glenneth?
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 6:19pmApplehead, you aren’t going to find too many Jews sticking up for you Xtians. You seem to be obsessed with being in their corner yet when it comes for them to stick up for you, I hear nothing but silence from theirs. What do you make of that?
Report Post »lisa2994
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 9:58amWho is he to tell us that we cannot have our beliefs and he can? If you don‘t like it don’t look at it! But stop trying to tell us we don’t have any rights!!!!
Report Post »NotFooled
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 9:57amI understand were they are coming from only to a point. I would be pissed if I saw an Islamic Crescent being raised or the memorial. There were more then Christian that died that day. But then again it was the Islamic Jihad who was attacking the Christian west. It’s not America they hate, it’s the Jews and Christians who live here. They would love to bring Sharia law here and take over if they could. You can’t ignore that. However as an American I would have to agree with JHPETERSEN thread below and have the different flags of the citizens who died in the towers. That would show the world that Islamic Jidadists attacked the World that day. Not just America.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 9:55amIf you could tell somebody that died in the 1910′s that all of this would take place in the next hudred years, they would think you were nuts. God and prayer out of schools, creationism is a “fringe theory”, Christians villified by major American news papers, gays in the military, gay marriage, abortion legal and government funded…. Yep, they would say you’re nuts. When the muslim nut jobs call us the great Satan, are they really that far off?
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:12amThey died later, but a few like Orwell and Huxley saw this coming.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 11:07amWhen we’re a nation of atheists the remnant believers[ our desendents] will look back on osama and his spectacular event and see the last defender not just of islam but All religions!
Report Post »scuba13
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 11:32amRose-Ellen the last thing we will remember about Osama is that big hole in his head. By the way don’t you have an appointment to be fitted for a homicide vest today. one of your male relatives can drive you to the Gaza checkpoint so don’t forget your cellphone. Also do you get 72 virgins too?
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 11:59amLOL..that’s great material Rose-Ellen…you have to use that “remnant” stuff in your act at the improv this weekend.
Report Post »Obama Bin Lying
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 1:09pmRose….I have to ask. Is there some medications you are supposed to be taking? You say Bin Laden is the defender of all religions…..and want to equate a Mass murderer to a Pious person?
For real?
Report Post »riverdog1
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 3:14pmgonzo, you are joking right? nobody can be that bigoted right?
Report Post »Greenwood
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 3:54pm@ROSE_ELLEN………..sometimes you sound like Rosie O’Donnel and sometimes like Ellen Degeneres. Rosie today
Report Post »nysparkie
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 9:52amLord, where is thy COMET? Lord you need to send it now. Strike this land of Atheists. Those who do not live your Commandants. Those who live in sin and practice their pagan worship. Lord end this idea of Man made in your image. We have fouled it all up and we need your wrath hurled upon us. Make another world with new ideas. This one ain’t working for you. Send thy COMET and send it now. MARK IS “SPECIAL DELIVERY EARTH”! Thank you Lord.
Report Post »VISITORNUMBER3
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 9:58amHuh?
Report Post »nysparkie
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:30amVisitor: Ya don’t understand? I am asking the Lord for Armageddon. End of times.
Report Post »vennoye
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 1:24pmSparkie..that time is NOT going to be a good time for anyone!!
Report Post »Amos 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light. Amos 5:19 As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him; or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him. Amos 5:20 Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?
lemmings4obama
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 1:53pm@Vennoye Someone reads The Berean. lol. Or it may be coincidence that the reading for today was Amos 5. God bless.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 1:54pmI didn’t say he was pious but yes MAYBE he will be remembered as the defender of all religions..one day when to believe in God is to be superstitous and ignorant and in need of enlightened indoctrination by the dominent culture.You lack imagination and insight,not moi! “time is a jet plane” and who knows what the future holds.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 9:51amPhil2:9-11 That at the name of Jesus, every knee should bow, of those above the earth , of those in the earth and those below the earth. Phil 2 12 Wherefore my beloved not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Report Post »jhpetersen
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 9:49amI would agree too… Or even better, include the symbols of other religions too, the islamic symbol, the jewish symbol, and all the other who perished that day. Don´t just put up one symbol, that makes it seem like that christianity deserves some higher status.
Either remove it, or include all the religions of the people who perished that tragic day.
Report Post »jhpetersen
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 9:51amEven better would actually be to put the FLAGS up of those people which countries they belonged to.
- it would look absolutely beautiful to put up all those flags there, that would be a great representation of how many countries were actually attacked that day.
Report Post »Mizurax
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:16amIf people wanted those other symbols there, they’d be there. But they’re not. That should tell you something. Fairness doesn’t exist and political correctness is a joke. Quit whining when you don’t get your way.
Report Post »JohnHW
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:21amThe reason for THESE BEAMS are being included are that after the dust settled, they formed a CROSS, not the Star of David, an Islamic Crescent, etc.
A word to this idoit (the bringer of the suit), if you are right, when I die, I won’t know anything. I will just be gone. If I am right, when you die, you will BURN IN H*LL until the end of time. You make your decision and let me make mine.
Report Post »jhpetersen
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:22amUhhh, im not whining? – A little passive agressive are we? – I just said it would make more sense, and would send a better message to put up flags from all the nations who lost people that day… thats a much stronger symbol. I dont really care what people put in that memorial, I dont care about the mosque either. Put it there, or dont… who cares?
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:26amI bet you have one of those coexist bumper stickers on your car.
Report Post »jhpetersen
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 11:00amWell, considering that the WTC buildings were squared, and had for edges and I dont know how many floors, there would have been thousands of these “crosses” lying around. Now had it been a crescent moon, that would have been impressive haha :)
I still say, put flags up of all the nationalities of the people who died… but knowing you guys, you´ll probably through up a few more crosses up, and about 3.500 american flags…
Report Post »BeeAlert
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 11:05amYes, include ALL the religious symbols that SPONTANEOUSLY emerged from the rubble of the World Trade Center. The cross and… … ….yeah.
Report Post »biggreenboo
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 2:10pm@johwhw
Thank you… I was waiting for somebody to say that.
They also have 2 sets of steel tridents on display (left after the collasps)… We should sue Possiden. (SARC)
I can‘t wait to see the site when it’s complete.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 2:25pmface it that monument to those who died is really a monument to those we hate as are all these war memorials.[let's never forget who we really hate now and forever!] it’s real intention is to validate hatred, and glorifies war. [the real reason you don't want a mosque any where near there or anywhere in this country ;you are art war with islam.this ground zero memorial is really about that.having a mosque anywhere near there detracts from that statement of "those evil muslims did this"[didn't God tell them we could act in the world with impunity ,how dare they believe otherwise by acting on us over here becaause we acted on them over there] .they upset your “natural” order and that’s why you hate them and wish to spread your hatred as long and as far in time as you can.of course that mountain too will one day be washed to the sea as all these war memorials sooner or later when life has it’s answer [over time]gets relagated to the historical past.We need peace memorials not hate memorials.
Report Post »Greenwood
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 3:41pmHow many countries were attacked that day? 1
Report Post »Greenwood
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 3:45pmJHPETERSEN……….The US was the only country attacked that day. I you know of any other let me know.
Report Post »jhpetersen
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:16pmGREENWOOD:
The building may have been in the states.. but it was the WORLD trade center, and represents trade ALL OVER THE WORLD.
I never said that other countries were attacked that day, I said that other countries lost people that day, and that it would be a much bigger symbol, if all the flags of nationalities of those killed were displayed. Think of it.
Report Post »Greenwood
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:56pmJHPETERSEN…………..it would look absolutely beautiful to put up all those flags there, that would be a great representation of how many countries were actually attacked that day.
I’m sorry a maybe I misunderstood
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 9:46amSo, LORD, are YOU tired of this s**** yet? (S****=Stuff!) ; )
Those who do not believe in GOD are certainly welcomed to live elsewhere. AMERICA IS A CHRISTIAN country. What do you all not “get” about that? I guess you have trouble with “illegal”, too, don’t you?
SouthSideLib
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 9:58amThe us is not a christian nation.
Report Post »SavingtheRepublic.com
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 9:59am^____^____^
Report Post »EXACTLY, if they dont like it they can leave. We have more than enough proof that this nation was founded with christian beliefs. Heck its one of the reasons used in first introducing “why the Pilgrims came to America” for religious freedom. There is no gun to their head to here, they dont like it they can leave!
Exrepublisheep
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:12amObama is our president. Don’t like it? LEAVE! Or stay and try to effect change from the inside, which is what most people, of all beliefs, will do.
Report Post »jhpetersen
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:20amSAVINGTHEREPUBLIC.COM –
That doesnt make sense… why would the pilgrims leave christian nations (europe was christian) to establish another christian nation in the US?
Report Post »Greenwood
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 3:36pm@ JHPETERSEN………..Open a book
Report Post »jhpetersen
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:29pmGREENWOOD:
Report Post »I have, and the spanish pilgrims and puritans that came after Columbus( not to mention all the convicts coming from Great Britain), came from already Chrisitan nations, so why would that be the reason for leaving? – It wasnt, it was the promise of a New World, and pursuit of new please give me som sources where it says otherwise? – I have heard alot that they were trying to pursue freedom of religion (which I am all for) but that was not a reason to go the states? – I know there was some people from the netherlands early in the 1800´s that talked about religioius freedom, but as far as I know it was before 1776 that people immegrated to the states, and I havent seen any text that supports that the first pilgrims came to the states because of religion.
Greenwood
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:05pmJHPETERSEN ………. because they were persecuted in their State controled religion. ( Inquisition? )
Report Post »People were killed and tortured, those who translated, read, or even owned a bible. Like I said before open a book.
Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 9:44amSo, in other words as long as it is a non-christian faith has something moving into the ground zero area he is fine with it (the new mosque going in)? And yet a cross is blessed and moved over and it is not to be permitted from his perspective?
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 2:06pmWhat is a ground zero area?Another malicious term meaning you don’t want a mosque built anywhere but in a muslim ghetto!you are a 21st c anti semite[against muslims this time].There is no such thing as a ground zero area! Typical lying deceitful surrender monkey to your own professed values 5 minutes after 9-11[it took other countires years of war to get there].Wow what a dishonerable people! I stand with muslims and their right to build mosques everywhere churches and other houses of worship can be built. [though i'm a catholic myself].
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 6:01pmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Nicholas_Greek_Orthodox_Church
When will they get to rebuild their church in the Ground Zero zone?
Report Post »USACommoner
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 9:44amStop infringing on OUR right to worship as WE wish!! Freedom OF religion does not mean freedom FROM religion. And separation of church and state is not in the constitution, so stop pretending it does. Get over yourselves. If the builders of the memorial want to include the cross, it’s their right to do so. If the cross cannot be displayed, then the mosque can’t be built. That simple.
Report Post »bondroid
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:02amDEAD ON!! Well said!
Report Post »MoonPie
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 12:52pmI agree! They cannot have it their way without accepting other relligions.
Report Post »mrsmileyface
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 9:44amThe Athiests themselves are a “religious group” Time to shut those clowns down. Were the majority not them.
Report Post »selloursouls
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 12:20pmThank you. Too many people fail to realize that Atheism is a religious belief. Everyone assumes it takes a central figure of worship to constitute a religion i.e. God, Allah, Buddah, etc. Atheism is a system of beliefs whether it is positive beliefs or negative beliefs, they are beliefs. So Atheists stop forcing your religion on me. They fail to understand that Atheism and Theism are simply different ideologies. It’s kind of like Republican and Democrats. Also as long as no law is passed then there is no constitutional violation. For how smart Atheists present themselves they are actually pretty stupid in that regard.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 12:37pmGosh Rose-Ellen…you have such an passionate defense of Islam’s right to build a mosque near ground zero. Tell us all….do you have the same passion for St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church to be rebuilt after it was knocked down in the collapse of the towers? I ask because it’s rebuilding is being blocked and hampered by your liberal allies in that city. Hypocrites yes?
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 2:44pmAllah is the arabic word for God.I stand with muslims against the lying vilification of them done by 21st c anti-semites[against muslims this time].
Report Post »For a public place as this memorial will be to include any religious symbolisim violates a persons’ religion [For a national memorial to include religious symbolism means that the state validates a religion or many and this is a breach of freedom of religion [no state validation of religion].An athiest is negatively impacted in having religious symbolism in a public domain[or memorial] because it violates freedom of religion in that the symbolism is imposed on the athiest and his government has impeded his freedom [to choose for himself a religion in his life whether a particular one or another including none other].
AvengerK
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 3:23pmNo Rose-Ellen..what you stand for is anything that attacks western civilization and christianity. You’re not hiding it very well either. I’m not mixing anything Rose-Ellen. The rebuilding of St. Nicholas Greek orthodox church is being deliberately delayed and hampered by the democrat officials of New York while they fall over themselves to “defend the right” of a shady slumlord-Faisal Rauf- to build his victory mosque at the site of one of radical Islam’s greatest atrocities. Go peddle your befuddled, lefty rote to the automatons at Moveon or Huffpo where they’ll applaud it, but you’ll need better material here.
Report Post »Greenwood
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 3:29pm@ ROSE_ELLEN…………..Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religon, or PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF;……………
Report Post »MuyLocoNC
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 9:43amYeah, I’m fully behind the atheists on this one. An American flag is without question, the correct symbol to be used for this memorial. It has nothing to do with Christianity and the cross has no place in this memorial. I’m usually against the fight to take the religious symbols off government areas, and the ridiculous attempts to remove Christianity from Christmas. But, they have it right this time, the cross has nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks, it was against ALL Americans.
Report Post »tweetybird
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 9:55am@ MuyLocoNC………I disagree. The Cross has everything to do with 9/11. God’s hands are in everything. It was his wake up call to all Americans. He is saying I AM GOD and I AM HERE. That perfectly formed cross was not a coincidence.
Report Post »AlansTigg
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:12amummm that cross was CREATED in the attack, so I’m thinking that inherently makes it have something to do with it
Report Post »Servant Of YHVH
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:17am@tweetybird
Report Post »I agree fully and as for muyloconc, the cross is for the christians and since atheist claim to be for “nothing” then the empty spaces there can be symbolic for atheists. Therefore, there is no problem, the christians have their “space” and the atheists have theirs.
MuyLocoNC
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:26amFair enough. What about the Buddhists, Jews, Muslims, Wiccans, Scientologists…etc, etc. That’s why the American flag is more suitable, it stands for all citizens, faiths and devotions. Don’t get me wrong, I think that particular cross has a profound symbolism, I just think the atheists actually have an valid argument on this one.
Report Post »nysparkie
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:34amIf this Country can’t even agree on letting one Cross be erected on a site of great carnage and death. What chance do we have of staying a Nation united by 50 States? I say we have none. Let the cross go up. If Jews died let the Star of David rise. If a Muslim died, send his family home. They are the destroyers.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 2:53pmI love my brethren the greek othrodox.Sure it should be built.But you’re mixing apples and oranges-the opposition of a mosque is motivated by anti muslim hatred and propaganda. Whatever is happening with the greek church genocidal media propaganda is not involved..you know this of course but like malicious hate filled vipers you always want to malign those muslims and anyone who doesn’t buy into your anti-semitism [against muslims this time].
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:17pmYour freedom to excercise your religion is impeded if there is a government validation of other religion[as a religious symbol in a public place would be.]The sacred symbolism of [for me a catholic] the cross is profaned if the state validates it as one among many religous symbols.Hence preferable the neutrality of the state with respect to religion where no religion is officially validated.Religion remains in the private but undefiled sacred space of say the church.To validate all religions[by allowing religious symbolism in public spaces reduces all religions including my own -the One,Holy Catholic And Apostolic Church founded by the Creator of the universe Himself-to another club among clubs.All equal,all merely symbolic of culture and traditions and even ethnic groups etc.All this trivializes and marginalizes each religion and who needs it? A public [state supported] institution is in fact profane and when to use religious symbolism to jocky for position and recognition in a secular venue, you are misusing religious symbols for political purposes.God knows everything and all spaces are sacred to God as all souls are sacred to Him.No need to mix the secular state with a symbolic show of religious diversity.diversity is not an issue for a true believer but alligence to his particular faith.How bizarre is it in those Chrisitan churches in Bethlehem and Jerusalem where you have 3 christian denominations occupying different parts of a church? Shameful!
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:56pmHere’s the problem for you Rose-Ellen..the cross at ground zero isn’t being used for a political purpose at all. It’s a spontaneous and genuine sign of mourning and compassion for the people that a group of islamist jihadis butchered there. Please…I defy you to prove me wrong with that. Your little manifesto (as incoherent and garbled as it was) about “profaned” religious symbols conjoined with governmental interests is totally a distraction on your part. It’s merely you showing your hatred for the west and Christians again.
Report Post »swimmer1940
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 9:38amWell, DUH! Who’d a thunk such a thing would ever happen?
Report Post »BIGJAYINPA
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 9:45amLet me see if I have this right. The Looney Liberal Left has absolutely no problem with a Mosque at the Ground Zero site but they object to a cross made of beams from the destroyed tower. Do I have it right?? Have I misstated anything here?? I want to be sure I understand where it is you are coming from….Just sayin’
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 11:31amNear ground zero is not ground zero.Until we ban islam and or declare war on islam they have the rright to build mosques where other religions have the right to build religious structures.You dishonest americans are a dishonable hypocritical lot. 5 minutes after 9-11[the first time someone gave you a little blowback for your unjust meddling in other peoples lands and history of mass murdering of civilians when deemed in your interests]. you surrender monkeys abondoned everything you in your self serving narrative professed made you better and different then all other human beings that ever lived on the face of the earth.When put to the test you collapsed like a cheap camera.
Report Post »I Hear the Wolves
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 11:58amRose-Ellen,
The proposed mosque site is not “near” ground zero. It is at ground zero. The landing gear from one of the planes hit the building that now stands there. It is literally 50 feet from where they are currently rebuilding Tower 7. Everything you say makes it more and more evident that you are completely brainwashed. Of course, we are all brainwashed…it is only a question of who is doing the washing. You claim Christ, but your sentiments here make it difficult to believe you know the first thing about…well, anything at all.
Report Post »lovenfl3
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 9:38amThen don’t look at it! I am so sick and tired of these groups who want to shut down other groups. They don’t want equal rights, they want “special” rights.
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtwXCyZCPqM
TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 9:35amMiserable fools; these aethiests. God said it…”The fool sayeth in his heart, there is no God.”
Keep it up you crazy clowns.
Report Post »NJTMATO
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 9:55ami JUST CAN’T TAKE ANYMORE!!! Enough already!!! What is wrong with everyone? Why is a cross offensive to ANYONE??? If you don’t believe, that is your problem!
Report Post »riverdog1
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:44pmgod didn’t say it, man did.
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