Atheists Threaten Legal Action if Anti-God Sign Isn’t Posted Next to Michigan Nativity
- Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:17am by
Billy Hallowell
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Will it ever end? Every day, it seems there’s a new story about atheists and believers sparring over the presence of nativity scenes and Christmas messages on — even near — government property.
Following the deluge of bizarre scenarios, it’s going to be tough for critics to contend that the “War on Christmas” is merely a figment of believers’ imaginations. Now, atheists are taking on a nativity scene in Warren, Michigan, and they‘re threatening legal action if the local government doesn’t comply with their demands.
At the center of yet another atheist-led drama is a nativity that is currently stationed inside Warren’s City Hall. If the Christian-based imagery is going to be present, atheists contend that the town must also allow other religions displays that represent different viewpoints.
So, to level the playing field, they wish to post a sign that says (you may recall this same message from other nativity dramas, as this is frequently used by the FFRF):
“At this season of the Winter Solstice, let reason prevail. There are no gods, no devils, no angels, no heaven or hell. There is only our natural world. Religion is but myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds.”
Douglas Marshall, a member of the Freedom From Religion Foundation, is claiming that Warren Mayor Jim Fouts is discriminating against atheists and nonbelievers, while engaging in illegal censorship. So far, the mayor has ignored Marshall’s requests to post the sign.
While the local atheist has apparently tried to place the sign inside city hall, it has been removed, as he does not have the permission to do so. If Fouts continues to ignore the request to place the sign inside of the government building, the FFRF has pledged to file a lawsuit in the coming days.
(H/T: MyFoxDetroit.com)
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Comments (559)
amerbur
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:46amWhy do Atheists post signs that say what they do not believe. Should Christians post a signs that says atheists are spriitually blind sinners who choose to follow the ruler of the earth, Satan, without knowing because of they are so arrogant they believe they know more than the creator of the Universe ?
Report Post »smackdown33
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:51amGo to the root of the problem:
Report Post »http://www.myjewishlearning.com/beliefs/Theology/God/About_God/Must_I_Believe.shtml
jedi.kep
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:58amEXACTLY.
How does a family scene with some superhero with wings become so offensive to people who don’t believe in the supernatural anyway? If they want a family scene without the winged dude, they are welcome to put one up! Until then, SHADUP!
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:59amAMERBUR…we‘ve tried it the athesists’ way. Nazi Germany, Stalinst Russia, Khmer Rouge, Maoist China..ad nauseam..all vehemently, staunchly humanist/secularist regimes. They’re responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths and incarcerations between them. Make no mistake this is not about the constitution to atheists, it’s about removing Christianity from the culture. They merely hide behind the constitution. I’ve defied atheists whereever I see them to not take the Christmas holiday off. To demand everyone stay at work including the Federal, State and Local agencies that also take the holiday off. To litigate that the entire country not recognize a Christian occasion on that day. They don’t have the guts to do it. They’re not principled in the least, they’re just angry, bitter, twisted little people with a deep hatred of Christians.
Report Post »antrancher
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:04amI know one thing, we have to stand up to them. If there is nothing after death, there is nothing. If there is something, how would you like being on the side of the Athiest. I’ll take my chances with the Lord. If you want to look at it another way…it is just a good and moral way to live. I would be ashamed to stand up and say those things, just as I would be ashamed to be an Obama supporter!
Report Post »thegrassroots
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:10amContact the FFRF and let them know that America knows that they are not representative of most Atheists.
Let them know how silly they are making themselves look:
Cowardly little folk all scared and intimidated by the sight of a simple Nativity Scene. Asking them if something so simple scares them, how do they manage to get up each morning and face their day? Telling them how, because they are so easily frightened, no one would want to be faced with depending on them in an emergency. And, of course, ending with: Merry Christmas! God Bless You!. And, if that sends their timorous little selves running and whining — So Be It!
Call Their Bluff, People! Let the FFRF know that they are an embarrassment to the Atheists they claim to be speaking for.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:10amAtheists remind me of the Pagans that came to use Stone henge and pollute it’s history.
And they were just used by the Pagans, just as even now Socialists and Atheists are moving into churches? God has never changed except on the account of the hardness of people’s hearts, and that‘s why God’s Commandments to Moses changes slightly every time Moses goes up on the Mount. Exodus 20:24 An alter of earth thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep, thy oxen: in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee. 25 And if thou will make an alter made of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stone: for if thou lifts up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it. 26 Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto mine alter, that thy nakedness be not discovered thereon.
I suppose they had better understanding way way back in the ancient days when the built Stone Henge, since they built it from stone which is not “Hewn” stone. Of course God commanded “If thou wilt make me an alter of stone”, meaning the which is not preferred by God, and yet if people do not understand that the Alter made of “earth” is actually the “Human mind in thought giving grace and thanks to God”, then an alter of stone is the next best thing.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:12am@Avenger
Actually, the Nazis embraced religion (Christianity) as a way to help them make their ideology seem good and normal. Hitler is on record of even stating he wished Germany was a Muslim country. Clearly, he and the Nazis were not atheistic, they were quite eager to use religion to their ends.
Report Post »LIBSALWAYSLIE
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:16amThis freedom from religon crap is disgusting. They have freedom from religon, no one if forcing ANYONE to be religous. Dont like it? Dont look! Its just that easy. Cry babies wanting their own way, so pathetic.
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:17amKnowledge of God is in the heart of every man, atheist spend a lot of their time trying to avoid Him.
Report Post »Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:19amGet it through your heads, Christians. Keep your displays on private property, not public. Your yard, a church yard, etc. Not public.
Welcome to what it’s been like for every other belief or lifestyle system for centuries. Get used to it.
Eliasim
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:19amAtheists believe they are the center, in that they can not understand. they can not understand even a father son relationship whereby the reflect on each other, and then they really can’t understand reflecting into themselves, and then they really, really can not understand One Lord, begetting another lord reflecting unto one another.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:22amLet them build their godless signs, because those who have the lord‘s name in them will not think anything of an Atheist’s rhetoric.
Report Post »Bobbyinwastate
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:25amAh will, the Bible says…”A fool says in his heart…there is no God”\
Report Post »vehoae
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:27amExcellently expressed, AMERBUR !
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:32amThese aren’t “atheists” they are socialists / communists, whose theology, we all know, has no religion.
Why would someone want to crush God if there is no such thing? I don’t believe in ghosts (other than the Holy Ghost) or vampires. But I’m not out there trying to insist other people stop their foolishness because they do.
And interestingly, how would the courts react to such claims? It all falls under the 1st amendment.
Report Post »The10thAmendment
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:33amThe only good atheist is the one living in a cave where the hell he belongs.
Takes a coward to stand for nothing, which is exactly what atheists stand for.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:34am@Bible
You didn’t read the story, in your zeal to smear Christians. The nativity display is staying, the atheists simply want equal access to public property.
Seems to me that’s a fine solution actually, as no party is offended by exclusion and all parties get to use the public property that they all pay for. Telling others that they cannot use property that they contribute to the costs of, well, that’s totalitarian to the core. Let all come in, and let all ideas be discussed in the common weal and let the market of ideas determine the outcome, as it should be.
Report Post »turkey13
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:37amGet your Congress person to pass a law making The Minority the Majority and I will obey it! Also, cancell out the clause “We The People,“ and make it ”We a Few.”
Report Post »Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:43amI would prefer that there be no sign either. I think that proclaimations of faith, or lack of, should be displayed on private property. Otherwise, before you know it the whole courthouse lawn in every town is going to be littered with propaganda battles.
Report Post »proudinfidel54
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:50amThe last time I looked atheism was NOT a religion, just a point of veiw (unless you include Darwinism…lol) I say, Let the DemonCrats, Demonseed bring it on, I could use a GOOD LAUGH.
Report Post »proudinfidel54
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:58amANTRANCHER, judging by your comment, you are a little anemic in the faith department. As a Christian you are to speak to this evil with the authority of Christ. This isnot atime to be politically correct, it is exactly that kind of thinking that has emboldened these demons in the first place. Remember we Christians are the Majority in this country, contrary to popular belief. Maybe it is time for a new type of Crusade.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 12:58pmGHOSTOFJEFFERSON….Hitler used Catholicism to manipulate the German people but the Reich was staunchly and vehemently humanist. Loyalty and fealty was to the state and the fuhrer not God. It is a misconception to put a Christian complexion on Nazi Germnay.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 1:02pmYes of course DAS KAPITAL QUOTIN’, CHRISTIAN FEARIN’, LEFTY….and we’ll expect a “principled” atheist like yourself to be at work on the Christmas holiday? No…just saying “my work’s closed that day” isn’t going to cut it. You tell your boss or if you’re self employed (highly unlikely as it is) there’s always something that can be done at work. After all..it‘s just another day isn’t it? And you will of course be seeking to litigate the removal of CHRISTMAS DAY from the national holiday calendar? After all..that’s the state recognizing a Christian holiday is it not? When you’ve done these things…come back. Until then you’re nothing but a lefty piece of filth with a deep seated hatred of christians. Grow a spine kid.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 1:27pmCARIBOOGER…apparently the tenet that God gives man a choice has eluded you. We appreciate your warped hermeneutics nonetheless and hope you return with more of your (unintentional) comedy soon.
Report Post »I Luv America
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 3:48pmI work with a couple of outspoken atheists. I‘ve asked them why they think it’s OK to constantly barrage us believers with rhetoric that God doesn’t exist, etc. After all, us believers don’t barrage the non-believers with rhetoric that God does exist. To get the atheists to shut up, I’ve told them that if they can explain their existence here on Earth, I’ll listen to them. In other words, I‘ve asked that they explain if they are so certain God doesn’t exist, how exactly did they came to be here (did they just appear?, does their parents have the ability to create a body and breath life into it?, did aliens drop them off on this planet?). Since they are ever so certain God doesn’t exist, then they must know for certain what the intelligence is behind life here – or do they think everything is random (can you imagine what a horror it would be to think that?). To date, no one has explained this secret.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 6:34pmILOVEAMERICA…ask them to stay at work for the Christmas holiday…it’s just another day right? Watch them fall over themselves with excuses.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:43amNo matter how hard they fight to avoid the image of Christ in this life, they will have to face Him in the next. They will much prefer the inanimate image of the baby Jesus in the manger.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:08amThat’s well put.
In fact though, they do have a point, legally. They’re not trying to remove the image(s), which I’ve *always* disagreed with, they’re just claiming “equal time”. Given as they’re taxpayers like the rest of us, that’s not unreasonable.
I’m not against “diversity” believe it or not, I just don’t want my beliefs and values excluded, which has been the trend since at least the early 1990′s. Now that nativity scenes are showing back up on statehouse laws, I’m satisfied in things going back towards traditional values. That said, others have the same right to display their beliefs, if I have the right to do so.
Interesting tactic, they‘re wising up that the public doesn’t, by and large, like them for trying to exclude the culture of the majority.
Report Post »AlansTigg
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:15amwhen did atheism become a religion? They are claiming equal time for other religions, while at the same time condeming religion as a whole…doesn’t really sound like they are using the “reasoning” they want the rest of us to employ
Report Post »Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:23amHow about no signs and displays on public property. Keep them on private property. I’m no fan of organized religion but I think having that sign up is dumb too. People have a right to believe what they want and to teach their kids that. Kids grow up and they’ll go one way or the other on their own one day.
Ironically, this country is finally becoming what it has always claimed to be in terms of equality. A christian display on public property in no longer proper in a culturally equal society. It belongs in your yard or the church yard.
GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:24amNot “religion”, rather, “belief systems”. There are belief systems outside of the realm of religion, in fact philosophy is a direct reflection of man’s attempt to construct sound moral frameworks.
Look, if we get to sit in the public square and display our beliefs, then that’s a great thing. We don’t have the right to suddenly start excluding other citizens from displaying their beliefs. That‘s what they’ve been trying to do to us for decades, and two wrongs do not make a right.
Report Post »tzion
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:30am@alanstig
Report Post »Atheism has always been a religion that denies its being one. They have a series of fundamental beliefs that define them and which can’t be proven without at least some kind of leap of faith. Ironically, by attacking religion they are attacking themselves.
COFemale
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:38amGhost I know what you are trying to say, but these yahoo‘s don’t want to go through the standard required process. Many times they must file a permit, pay a fee and at this late date, it probably be a waste of their time and effort and the official is just saving them the money. Many times it takes more than a few days to get an approval. Had they started maybe two weeks ago, the official may have allowed the signage regardless how insulting it would be to many. This group actually mailed their sign to another city for the city mayor to put it up, but they couldn’t as the mayor would be breaking the Constitution as NO government official can hang up the signage; only private citizens can seek approval. Nothing guarantee’s them approval.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:41am@Tzion
No, it’s not a religion, it does not appeal to a supernatural authority or even acknowledge a realm where the supernatural is possible. Now, it is a faith of sorts to a lot (not all) of atheists, for exactly the reasons you outline. But a religion, no, not hardly. That said, they (a lot of them) certainly act like the Inquisition of fable when confronting anybody who dare not see the world as they do. Shameful way to act for people who supposedly wish to advocate reason and logic instead of religion, but hey, end of the day, we’re all human.
The most honest of atheists/agnostics say “I have neither proof for nor proof against a supernatural deity, thus I have to take the default position of disbelief until proof is offered”. That’s very reasonable, as it means they have an honest mind and open outlook, even if they don’t have the capacity for faith, their mind can be changed at a later date if they adopt that capacity. The Crusading Atheists however, turn me off in the same way that Christian Calvanists do.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:44amI’ll respect them when they fight as hard against Islam as they do Christianity. Somehow it’s always the Christian belief system that they have touble with. If they were true non believers, they wouldn’t care about a harmless manger scene anymore than they would a Santa Claus. Afterall, both are “fairy tales” to them.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:45am@Bible
That’s very authoritarian of you. If I pay for property, I expect to get some use out of it that match my view of the world, as should anybody. If you can let OWS dirt bags camp out on state lawns to advocate a belief system, then I should be able to advocate my own belief system as well on aforementioned public property. Don‘t presume to tell people that they don’t have the right to express their views in civil society and on land that they contribute towards.
I’ve never really understood why so many atheists have such a strong authoritarian,controlling streaks, until recently. It seems to me that the way to advocate reason is by displaying calm reason, not by adopting the tactics of the Inquisition.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:48am@Cofemale
Actually, that’s a good point from the legal perspective, I hadn’t considered it. Mostly I was addressing folks who were doing the “now that we have it back, we don’t want nothing else displayed!” types. To me, freedom of speech and expression apply to all views, not just the one in favor with the majority (or minority as the case may be).
@Gonzo
You make an excellent point on their choice of targets. I‘ve asked Crusading Atheists why they don’t go after Islam, or Judaism, or Hinduism (or whatver) and they stutter-mumble that those aren’t part of their culture. Funny though, because they’re trying to claim to be against all religions, but as you mention, go to great lengths to avoid criticizing any other religion except Christianity. They’re actually, honestly, anti-Christian if you ask me, not anti-religion.
Report Post »proudinfidel54
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 12:07pmBible Mis-Quoting Liberal in disquise, unlike you, we as Chistians, are proud of our heritage and our God, you are just another uninformed lib that reads things into the 1st amendment that are Not There. I hate to pop your bubble but this country was founded by staunch Christian values, and you can bet they didn’t hide in there back yard and practice their religion.
Report Post »tzion
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 1:06pm@Ghost
Report Post »I think we actually agree, we’re just using different definitions for “religion”. My point was their views are as much dependent on faith as any religion.
wesinLR
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 1:29pmPublic land should be used in the public interest… some outsider has no right telling a town or city what it needs to use its land for.. if you live in the bible belt expect to see nativity decor everywhere… if there are atheists in the community then they should be aloud to have their view reflected in some part on the same land. the men who wrote the bill of rights and the constitution had no problem with the use of public land to have religious sayings. In fact according to the founders of this nation, our rights come from our creator.
Report Post »true freedom comes not with restrictions… so dont restrict public land from the public’s view . its not how we were meant to run our nation.
AvengerK
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 1:29pmHow about no sign of DAS KAPTIAL QUOTIN’, CHRISTIAN FEARIN’, LEFTY? Now THAT’S something everyone can agree to.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 1:45pm@Tzion
I can live with that! Agreed! :)
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:42amwhile obama’s atheists try to divert our attention, here’s a horrific gem from the IL REVIEW:
ISLAMIC WORLD TELLS CLINTON: DFEMATION OF ISLAM MUST BE CRIMINALLY LIABLE IN AMERICA.
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton welcomes Secretary General of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu to Washington this week. As part of the visit, working teams from the Department of State (DoS) and the OIC are going to discuss implementation mechanisms that could impose limits on freedom of speech and expression.
The OIC’s purpose, as stated explicitly in its April 2011 4th Annual Report on Islamophobia, is to criminalize “incitement to hatred and violence on religious grounds.” Incitement is to be defined by applying the “test of consequences” to speech. Under this twisted perversion of falsely “yelling ‘fire’ in a crowded theater,” it doesn’t matter what someone actually says — or even whether it is true or not; if someone else commits violence and says it’s because of something that person said, the speaker will be held criminally liable
Report Post »momrules
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:52amThis is UN Resolution 16/18……….I’ve posted this info three time now and only one person seemed to care.
Prisonplanet.com has been covering this, Atlasshrugs.com has been covering this. Some of the most important news that dirertly affects us like NDAA only gets on the Blaze after the fact.
Report Post »Ohello
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:53amSince when do US citizens permitt an outside organization to limit their freedoms? Impeach Hilary, impeach Obama, remove the OIC presence from US soil!!
http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2011/12/islamic-world-tells-clinton-defamation-of-islam-must-be-criminally-liable-in-america.html
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Report Post »C. Schwehr
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:03amThe first step towards attempting to force islamic law on the rest of the world….Force the western countries to stop telling the truth about the insane, baby rapist Mohammed who invented their political system (it’s not a religion) in the first place.
Report Post »See now, if some ignorant goat herder gets upset because I told the truth about his false, murdering “prophet”, then I’m responsible for his getting the family AK off the wall of his mud hut and killing a christian in revenge. It transfers the cause and guilt for the killing from the murderer to the victim….And then it’ll be perfectly ok for these unwashed barbarians to destroy our civilization for their non-existent god.
Servant Of YHVH
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:08am“ISLAMIC WORLD TELLS CLINTON: DFEMATION OF ISLAM MUST BE CRIMINALLY LIABLE IN AMERICA.”
Report Post »We don’t need to defame islam, they do it perfectly well themselves.
thekuligs
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:16amSince the socialists came to power. UGH I don’t see how our country can survive another year on this trajectory and that is IF we can get the president voted out of office with out some sort of marshall law event (which is their plan) that is too many ifs.
Report Post »Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:46amRepublicans are just as responsible for the deadlock. Until you admit that, you’re just a lot of hot air.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:42amBring it on for our GOD IS GREATER than he who is in the world and our GOD IS LOVING, FORGIVING, but not tolerant. Those for “tolerance” are on the wrong side.
Lay the lies bare, GOD, IN JESUS’ HOLY NAME we pray, amen.
Report Post »theEmirOfGroofunkistan
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:41amwe could easily get them to spend all of their money. Just wait until they pay their lawyers to file the case, then put the sign up until they cancel the case. Then take it down again. Rinse, repeat.
Report Post »tzion
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:40am“Hardens the heart”. Isn’t that a phrase of biblical origin from where G-d hardens Pharaoh’s heart? I thought celebrating reason meant focusing exclusively on the mind. Maybe next they’ll tell us religion poisons the soul (the one they don’t believe exists).
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:38amThey have to go anti for they have nothing to celebrate. Christmas displays do not have anti-atheist saying on them, but atheist always have anti saying on theirs.
Report Post »barbaraw62
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:42amSo TRUE…. well, Christians will be persecuted… we must continue to remain ever vigilant from the minority of secularists that would tell us how to think…… their policies will be written in the book of life that our God is writing and noting. Keep fighting all you Christians and stand up for your beliefs!
Report Post »Ohello
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:02amWe will know the Atheists are serious about preventing religion in the world when they post the following sign outside Mosque in Iran, Egypt, Lybia or even in America.
“At this season of the Winter Solstice, let reason prevail. Mohammed is a fraud, Islam is a superstition, there are no prophets, no angels, no martyrs, no paradise, no good, no evil, no Islam. There is only our natural world. Islam is but myth and superstition that creates hate and violence. hardens hearts and enslaves minds and persons.”
Until then Atheists are just cowards and pick on Christianity because Christianity does not threaten them with violence.
Report Post »the wireworker
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 12:51pmthat’s because darkness does not exist in and of itself, it is just the absence of light. there is no switch on the wall for me to turn the darkness on, i can only turn the light off.
Report Post »JLGunner
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:38amSuch a waste of time and money for a group that believes in nothing.
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:37amThe left just keeps pushin and pushin and pushin, but one day soon, we are going to rise up and say ENOUGH……
Report Post »Oldphoto678
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:59amNo you’re not!!!
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:33amThe only Conservative up-risings in History, that I can recall, was… the Protestant RoundHeads v the King of England and Loyalists… which was continued in the American Revolution… and in the Civil War, where the RoundHeads settled in North and Loyalists in the South.
If Obama is alike a King, and Socialists & Atheists alike Loyalists… then, a RoundHead up-rising is possible!
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:36amThere are Devils: Atheists, who believe Self is god… making their State a Hell (re. Hell, Michigan)!
Report Post »Thatsitivehadenough
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:36amDrop dead.
Report Post »UlyssesP
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:34amI really could not care less what the “fool says in his heart”. Let them make noise.
Report Post »KStret
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:16amULYSSESP,
Report Post »You should care about what the fools think. They have embedded themselves in the educational system, the media, Hollywood, and into the judiciary and their goal is to make your children fools. If they are not pushed back they will succeed. Some people say they already have…..
txbigfoot
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:34amThere is no law that says where the sign must be placed there nor the size, So, put it on the back of the nativity and make it 8×10″. Screw them.
Report Post »bhelmet
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:34amNo wonder atheists are so miserable – if this world was all there was, I would be miserable too.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 12:06pmSeriously.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:34amI’m starting to wonder if these are really athiests .. or Muslims (most likely both and members of the OWS, Communist Party etc) .. Warren Michigan .. is another burb of Detroit .. like Dearborn.
“make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; ”
since athiests are admittedly not religious they have no standing … but they do not have the right either to stop others!
Report Post »john luther
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:55amDo not speak of what you do not know .This is no Muslim group and warren is nothing like dearborn .I use to like this site but ytou folks on here are just as unhinged as the left and the Ron P aul people .You think freedom only applies to the way you think
Report Post »CatB
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:28amI didn’t say Muslims are in Warren .. .but they are in the DETROIT area .. and we have seen how all those who work against AMERICA and American values work together .. geez .. don’t get your panties in a knot … Muslims in Dearborn .. don’t just stay in Dearborn …
Report Post »proudinfidel54
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 2:10pmYep I am beginning to think that these Athiests do not exist.
Report Post »Thatsitivehadenough
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:34amLet’s face it. Atheists need a fist in the mouth.
Report Post »DoseofReality
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:40amThere’s that christian love I see so often on this site…..
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:43amFollowed by a kick in the arse. Christian groups should counter sue atheist as the Nativity scene is there to celebrate the holiday HOWEVER THE ATHEIST SIGN IS ONLY THERE TO ATTACK THE CHRISTIANS,,,CLEARLY AN ATTEMPT AT RELIGIOUS DISCRIMINATION
Report Post »hidden_lion
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:03amSometimes love is a fist…LOL
Report Post »Misery loves company, that what Atheism is all about. Fact is Society would have never developed without religion. The weak would be destroyed by the strong as it would be evolutionarily unsound to protect the weak and let them taint the gene pool.
HorseCrazy
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:12amdoseofreality we christians don’t feel it necessary to rip your beliefs or lack there of apart and make a spectacle out of your celebrations or lack there of. that is the point. we are fed up with militant athiesm that seeks to destroy everything about Christmas. We just wish to get the same respect and human decency afforded to everyone else. Our faith is a target and is fought now every step of the way in this “free” society. becomes more than tiresome. my state has had this sign in the capital for years now, it is a disgrace.
Report Post »biohazard23
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:33amOh please….. Waa waa waa…….
Report Post »uisignorant
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:33amCan thEy prove their quote?
Report Post »DoseofReality
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:39amlets see you not only prove god, but prove your particular view of who god is…..
Report Post »tzion
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:43amReligion acknowledges the need to take a leap of faith. Atheism believes that everything true can be proven by science.
Report Post »TheThirdLittlePig.com
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:55amIt’s interesting that the backbone of the god defense is the same reasoning given by children when faced with the truth about Santa…
Report Post »KStret
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:03amTZion,
Report Post »How can we scientifically prove that all knowledge must be scientifically provable? That is a self refuting argument.
hidden_lion
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:08am“Religion acknowledges the need to take a leap of faith. Atheism believes that everything true can be proven by science.”
Most of our current science is not proven fact but composed of theory (faith). Science is in itself a religion, a religion in search of a god. The principle that underlies everything.
Report Post »the fact is, life can’t be proven by science, nor can love.
tzion
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:15am@KSTRET
Report Post »I fully agree. That’s precisely why atheism should refrain from attacking other religions. Their beliefs, despite what some of them may believe, aren’t any more provable than those of anyone else and are equally impossible to disprove. These atheists believe they can prove reason to be the only truth but in reality that belief is as unprovable as any belief in G-d.
KStret
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:19amSomeone much smarter than myself articulately said it boils down to faith in God vs faith in chance.
Report Post »TheVoice1
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:22amDoseofReality
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:39am
lets see you not only prove god, but prove your particular view of who god is…..
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Prove your particular view of who God is….. oh that’s rich… lol So you want us to prove that God is who you say He is….. because you don’t believe in God in the first place… lol oh and it gets better…. and prove that God is…. lol … so basically you want to blow your crap, set back and have everyone else prove what ever while your hate speech continues to spew your scientifically unprovable positions….kinda like a temper tantrum a child would throw who then shouts prove me wrong… Prove you are right… Prove your position… not going to happen is it whiner. Here’s a fact, only 1.6% of America is atheist leaving 98.4% that is not and you are offended! Less than 2% slamming the rest of us telling us, no, demand us to take down whatever because you are offended… what a joke… That dog won’t hunt in Texas
Stand Strong America In God We Trust
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 2:25pmUm, Hidden, dude, scietific theory is not “faith”. It is a long string of empirical data that supports a given hypotheis, to the point that the data overwhelmingly demonstrates the hypothesis as correct.
Faith is belief without fact, and there’s nothing wrong with that, you’re not supposed actually have met God in real life and have proof, you have to rely on faith. But that doesn’t mean every endevor is based on faith, sorry, you’re wrong.
Report Post »RightThinking1
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 4:10pm@Ghost,
Quoting you here ‘dude’:
“Um, Hidden, dude, scietific theory is not “faith”. It is a long string of empirical data that supports a given hypotheis, to the point that the data overwhelmingly demonstrates the hypothesis as correct.”
Presuming that you mean ‘scientific’ and ‘hypothesis’, are you referring to well known and accepted data such as the inability of matter to exceed the speed of light? Perhaps the accepted fact that expansion of the universe is slowing? Those are just anecdotal examples, of course, of ‘facts’ that a year or so ago you would have stated affirmatively, but can no longer can. It seems that science may not be a place where too much faith ought to be invested. At any rate, if the previous examples of data-based mis-faiths are not convincing, I’ll happily provide others. You are apparently confused regarding the distinction between ‘theory’ and truth.
Report Post »bhelmet
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:33amLike I read on a bumper sticker: They better hope they are right. I will vehemently disagree there is no God based on the examples I have of his existence in my own life. They can dismiss it as coincidence, I know better. May God have mercy on their souls.
Report Post »RightUnite
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:48amPersonally, I hope he doesn’t have mercy on their souls…. More room for us!
Report Post »rock-n-roll-rebel
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:32amOnly if we can have equal time on every news station when they are spewing their global warming crap and of course real representation in congress and the supreme court then we can talk about their little sign.
Report Post »DoseofReality
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:37amLol….I belive virtually every single president, congressman and senator have been christians – at least they call themselves christians. Name me one self proclaimed atheist in any elected government position. You christians sure do have a persecution complex…
Report Post »tzion
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:45amAll Christians? Last I checked there were some who were Jewish.
Report Post »DoseofReality
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:52amOk, some are Jewish, your correct. But according to you they are all going to rot in the pits of hell along with me.
Report Post »JLGunner
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:57amAgreed. It seems like the flavor of the now is to hide behind certain words to push your agenda. Rounding of corners and half thruths.
Report Post »tzion
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:06am@Dose
Report Post »“according to me they’re all going to rot in hell”? I‘m Jewish incidentally and we don’t believe in the Christian concept of hell. The closest thing we have is a place where the soul is purified before entering the next world.
rock-n-roll-rebel
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:07amI am not even a Christian and I know that there are not a majority of real Christians in the supreme court. If that isn’t obvious to everyone then there is no hope for you. How about those lying, cheating, power addicted scoundrels in congress (not all of them I am sure), they don’t seem to be oozing with Christian principles. I was only pointing out the obvious. I believe there is a God but see the confusion that sets in when men interpret the “word” of God so by definition I am not a Christian.
Report Post »moriarty70
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 6:22pm@ROCK-N-ROLL-REBEL
You’re right, they may not act like Christians. But the Dose’s point still stands, there hasn’t been one openly atheist leader of the USA. And most, if not all, elected officials at the federal level have to at least claim to be connected to some religion in order to be elected.
So when the majority of elected officials, including the President, and/or the majority of Americans claim to be atheists, maybe the whole “We’re being attacked” claim will hold some water. Until then it’s nothing more than Everest being picked at by a dental pick.
Report Post »smackdown33
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:31amOk: http://onfaith.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/georgetown/2007/11/paul_beattys_2001_novel_tuff.html
The real enemy of Christianity.
Report Post »Riffraffman36
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:30amCry babies why take away someone’s happiness.most are children who love Christmas grow up an don‘t look at it if u don’t like it , just cause u have nothing to believe in don’t spoil for others oh an go to hell
Report Post »RightUnite
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:49amBecause misery loves company.
Report Post »Depressed_American
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:28amAtheists, you have the right to your beliefs, or lack of beliefs. We have our right to our Christian beliefs and celebrations. Your rights DON’T over ride the our rights!!!! How about Christians start sueing you everytime we don’t agree with your opinions?????? Your beliefs Offend me, so does that mean I have the right to sue you to keep your expressions of beliefs out of the public sector too???
Report Post »DoseofReality
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:35amOf course you have the rights to your beliefs, but on government property how can you take one belief over another? No one is even attempting to stop Christians or any other religious group from practicing their religion or displaying any religious scene on church or private property…..just not on government or public property. Why is that so hard to understand? Please show me one instance of an atheist group trying to stop a church from putting a nativity scene in their yard? Ill be waiting…
Report Post »barbaraw62
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:48amDoseofreality?—- You are such a fool! You can feel the wind in your face, why can’t you believe in an unseen God…. you can see the creations all around you…. why can’t you believe in a creator?
Report Post »DoseofReality
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:51amBecasue wind is real and I can feel it, is that a serious questions? A magical sky dictator is ancient middle eastern superstition….period.
Report Post »DoseofReality
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:54amBarbara…..why should a government promote one particular creation myth above all others? If Chrsitian symbols are allowed, why not Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist, Ancient Greek and Roman, the fyling spaghetti monster?
Report Post »Ohello
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 11:11am@dose
Report Post »I have my rights to religion, yet the government takes my cash out of my pocket and gives it to activities that violate my religion. That is the income tax, and that is money used to promote abortion, eugenics, sexual immorality. The government violates my religion every day, so what gives atheists special privelege to not be violated from a religious perspective?
Rayblue
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 2:25pmDose…Want to see some real magic ?
Report Post »Watch me pull an atheist out of my butt.
A whole flotilla of them.
Derek01
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:25amGive them some space to hang their sign in a basement utility room.
Report Post »smackdown33
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 10:23amThe enemy of Christianity has never changed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_atheism
Report Post »tzion
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 1:15pmSo the Jews are now being accused of trying to destroy Christianity. Quite a turn around considering how many Jews have been murdered, oppressed, and exiled by those claiming to be acting on their Christian beliefs. What exactly was that link supposed to prove?
Report Post »Rayblue
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 2:40pmTrue…Your posts are boring and harrowingly immature.
Report Post »macpappy
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 9:14pm@rayblue
Report Post »Just moving around, making friends?
Rayblue
Posted on December 21, 2011 at 1:09pmThe city is tearing up the neighborhood so I’m stuck here with nothing else to do.
Report Post »It’s a hobby I suppose.
Better than watching the Jane Fonda marathon on TMC.