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Atheists vs. American Legion: The Legality of Utah’s Highway Crosses

Atheists vs. American Legion: The Legality of Utahs Highway Crosses Atheists continue to rail against the presence of 13 crosses on Utah’s public highways. While the legal debate between the Utah Highway Patrol and its supporters and American Atheists (the organization staunchly opposed to the crosses) has gone back and forth for some time now, a 2010 ruling declared the religious symbols “unconstitutional.” But, the debate is far from over.

Just days before the United States celebrates Memorial Day, the American Legion has announced its plans to enter into the debate in support of the crosses.  For history’s sake, these markers were constructed in 1998 to memorialize fallen Utah Highway Patrol staff (marking the spots where they had perished). According to Yahoo! News:

Atheist and humanist organizations have taken the crosses to court as a violation of separation of church and state because, even though they’re privately funded, they are on public property. The case is called American Atheists v. Davenport.

At first, a federal judge overturned a district court ruling against the crosses. But last August, the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals reversed that decision and agreed with the district court that the crosses represent an “unconstitutional government endorsement” of the Christian faith above other beliefs.

The court’s decision was largely based on the fact that these crosses are many times larger than normal roadside cross-shaped death markers.

An American Atheists blog responding to attacks as to why they hated crosses called the memorial monuments “highly offensive,” and that for crosses to represent troopers who could possibly be of another faith or no faith is insulting.

But according to a Christian Science Monitor article, the families of each fallen Utah trooper were consulted before the erection of the crosses and no one objected. A photo of each trooper is also used at the site.

The fact that none of the families had objections is compelling. The American Legion hopes that the U.S. Supreme Court will hear this contentious case and make a final determination. Below, see commentary on the matter from Rev. Dr. Myke Crowder and Rev. Rob Schenck from the National Clergy Council and Faith in Action:

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  • konakolina
    Posted on May 28, 2011 at 1:37am

    The Constitution DOES NOT guarantee separation of church and state. It says there will be no state church. WHY IS THAT SO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND? I’m offended by all the stupid lawyers bringing these stupid suits, so who should I sue. I’m also offended everytime these left winger, God haters start bashing everything that is good about this country. They need to grow up ,if something offends you, IGNORE it. Here’s a newsflash you atheists are the minority and people are REALLY tired of your whining. It’s like listening to a petulant 2 year old who always has to get their way. Grow up and quit trying to destroy the country. Here’s another thought when the country is destroyed from within by folks like you, you’ll be going down with the rest of is. Then where is your so called wisdom going to get you? As the Bible says it’s teachings are foolishness to those who are perishing. I think that’s you folks who want to do away with the God who allows you to stay alive. As for me I’m going to side with God.Praise be to the Lord.

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  • reckless
    Posted on May 28, 2011 at 1:32am

    Athiests have little conviction of their beliefs (or lack thereof)….
    …how can anyone possibly be offended by something they insist does not exist?

    Apparently atheist and liberals suffer the same mental disorder….
    …logic does not make sense to them.

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    • Tyr
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 9:57am

      I don’t know. Maybe some people see the cross for what it is. The Roman crucifix, a device for the execution of another human being. It doesn’t bother me that they have crosses along the highway, or anywhere else for that matter. But, I wonder how folks of the Christian fath would feel about Guillotines, or electric chairs at intervals along our roadways? And remember, nothing says love like a dead deity hanging on a pair of crossed sticks, yessiree!

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  • estio
    Posted on May 28, 2011 at 1:31am

    Athiests like these make me embarrassed to support a separation of church and state. Other than using a little bit of roadside public land, there is no direct government involvement here. Just people honoring the dead. It takes a real jerk to whine about this.

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  • brian8793
    Posted on May 28, 2011 at 1:21am

    Pernicious, why would non-members care about going into a Temple and seeing their loved ones get sealed? If they want, they can have the traditional “reception” thing afterwards. They can do whatever they want at that reception.

    At my reception I want hire Olivia Newton John to sing “physical.” Amen to THAT.

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    • PerniciousD
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 2:16am

      What would you think if evangelicals, methodists, catholics, or non-denominational Christians said to you – sorry, you can’t come to your son/daughters wedding because you are Mormon, but you can come to the reception?

      Its back to this: Mormons want to be called Christians, but they don’t treat Christians as equal – they don’t even think Christians can ascend to the highest level of Heaven without becoming LDS. Its this arrogance that other Christian groups don’t quite cut it that causes many Christians to think twice about Mormons. You want to be in the group – and on the top of the group.

      By the way, its not a “friend” that was shunned for leaving the Church – its dozens of people I’ve known in Salt Lake that have suffered and been shunned when leaving the Church – and countless more that talk to me about wanting out, but knowing there will be hell to pay – you know this line – “but you won’t be with your family in the celestial kingdom if you leave the church.” That’s a fear, guilt trip if ever I’ve heard one.

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    • joel228
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 4:55am

      PerniciousD

      You say Mormons (LDS) are arrogant and criticized for believing only they can reach the highest level of heaven (celestial kingdom). The way I see it Mormons are criticized and ostracized for even believing that there are different levels of heaven / salvation / eternal rewards / kingdoms.

      Don‘t most Christian churches teach that either you make it or you don’t? Isn’t that like having a class where if you sign up you get an A grade? Attendance is optional, the assignments are optional, and test results don’t really matter. Is that a class that would promote the best out of students? I don’t think so. Neither can I imagine it would be something a loving father (or Heavenly Father) would want for his children.

      The Bible is full of examples where all in heaven or hell are not equal. Jesus said be ye perfect as your Father in Heaven is perfect. He said the wicked from Sodom and from Gomorrah would be better off when judgment is passed than the wicked hypocrites of his day.

      Peter said Jesus preached to the spirits that lived and were disobedient at the time of Noah. Why would he do that if their course is set at death? What other (non arrogant) church allows for any possibility of improving ones lot in eternity after they are dead?

      cont.

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    • joel228
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 4:59am

      In fact we believe that a level of salvation eventually comes to almost all that have ever lived. Murderers, liars, adulterers, etc. will have to suffer beyond our understanding or ability to comprehend and will be the last to receive resurrection but even they will not be left in hell forever (as was promised to king David after his fall from grace). Once the wicked have paid the ultimate for their sins because they would not meet the conditions of repentance will be resurrected with a body of glory and placed in the lowest level of heaven (telestial kingdom) whose glory surpasses all understanding.

      Only those that rebel against pure knowledge of Christ given through a witness from the Holy Ghost will never receive a kingdom of light. That list will be relatively small.

      So which plan is Christ like? That some are forever condemned because they never had a chance to hear about and accept Christ or that all will have the chance to accept Christ but even those that do not and lived wickedly will eventually inherit a kingdom that is greater than anything we on earth now experience?

      Presented with the two plans I would choose and hope for the latter. Call it arrogant if you want but it is clearly Christ like because it is from Christ.

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    • PerniciousD
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 3:04pm

      Joel, you skirt the issue. Why won’t you admit that LDS church teaches that even a Christian will not be allowed to enter the highest level of Heaven without becoming a mormon. This is what Mormons seem to do – hide the ball. Just say, “we believe in Jesus.” But not tell the rest of the story. I guess that’s milk before meat. Just admit it. Christians can’t get into the highest level of Heaven without becoming LDS, right? I guess you’ll just ignore this question.

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    • joel228
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 3:41pm

      PerniciousD
      Did Mormonism exist at the time of Christ? Did it exist at the time of Moses or Abraham or even back to Adam. Yet we believe the good people and prophets of past ages have or will inherit the highest places in the kingdom of God. So with that being the case why should I say only Mormons will reach that place which we call exaltation? Exaltation is a salvation with eternal increase in creations and glory.

      Bottom line is anyone that keeps all the commandments of God will be exalted in heaven. Others fall to lower levels of glory. The only dispute is what has God commanded? What are Christ’s teachings? He gave several commands including outward ordinances. By themselves the ordinances do not save but the act of obedience does. Unless you are born again by water and spirit you can not inherit a place in heaven where God and Christ dwell. Christ was baptized and commanded all to be baptized. But can you baptize yourself? Can anybody at all dunk you in the water or sprinkle it on your head and call that an acceptable baptism? The Apostle Paul had to re-baptise a group that thought they had already done it right. If you sign up for insurance it better be with someone commissioned by a reputable company that can cover you when the time comes. When you are baptized it better be from one who has been commissioned with authority from Christ.

      It is not logical that Christ would be divided. We contend that the LDS church is the only one so commissioned. Simple logic.

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    • PerniciousD
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 4:01pm

      Joel, you just can’t bring yourself to admit it can you? I’m a Christian. Will I have a place in the highest level of Heaven (the Celestial Kingdom) if I never become a mormon? Do you believe all of the Christians posting on this board will enter the celestial kingdom if they never become LDS? Are you trying to cover up your Church’s beliefs? Just admit it. (We don‘t even need to get into Brigham Young saying if you don’t believe Joseph Smith brought the fullness of the Gospel, you are AntiChrist.)

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    • joel228
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 4:13pm

      Can’t you read? I just did admit it. Live the commandments and be baptized by one with authority, yes a Mormon. Don’t reject true prophets or claim allegence to past prophets while rejecting current ones. If Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, etc were false prophets you have no need to fear. But please don’t critize the logic and teachings that Christ is not divided. To say all Christian churches are the same and all commisioned by Christ is absurd. Only one. I would not in any way want to belong to a Church that claimed otherwise. Why would you?

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    • PerniciousD
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 4:33pm

      Thanks for the answer. I understand. I would not want to be part of a mormon church that claimed to be the “one true church” because I don’t think any person living today is a “living prophet” with authority from God to tell me how to live or how to know God. So, I take a person claiming to have authority from God and claiming to be a “living prophet” to be living very far from the teachings of Christ. I think the LDS church or any other church claiming to have a “living prophet” has lead its followers off a cliff and into a world of mind control. Scary stuff. The individual is gone, its the ultimate nanny state.

      I also question why if the LDS Prophet is truly a prophet, why does the Quorum of Twelve need to vote to ratify something that the LDS prophet says was revealed to him by God.

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    • joel228
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 5:58pm

      Why would the claim of authority alone disqualify one or indicate that the person is far from the teachings of Christ? Yes Christ said many false prophets and false Christs would make their appearance. Yes I also believe that the vast majority of such claims are false. But where did Christ say that all who make that claim would be false?

      So do you prefer that a dead person tell you how to live or how to know God? I suppose that’s easier because you have the latitude to interpret it how you want without correction from the author. I like the idea that God still speaks and with clarity through living prophets.

      As far as voting, first not every decision has to come by revelation. We are given brains and are supposed to use them. Also the entire church constantly “votes” for things or people in positions. That is often just an acknowledgment of support. Is that bad?

      It’s a falisy to think mind control is for the followers but not deviators. Christ said follow me. He also said my sheep recognise my voice. It’s not mind control to recognize the voice of the creator and savior and to follow him. Those who do not are not as free as they like to think.

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    • joel228
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 6:23pm

      One other thing. John, in the Book of Revelation chp 11 speaks of two prophets that will walk the streets of Jerusalem in the later days before the coming of Christ. At their word the rain stops and their enemies are vanquished, water becomes as blood and plagues come. When they are killed after 3 1/2 years their bodies will lay in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days while the world celebrates their death and gives gifts to each other. Then in front of their enemies they will be resurrected and taken up in a cloud while fear falls on all that see it.

      If you are alive to see that are you going to be one that celebrated their deaths? Or will you acknowledge that prophets can exist even today?

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    • PerniciousD
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 10:50pm

      I don’t need a prophet Joel. God gave me and you the tools we need to discover what we need. We can use what God gave us, or we can listen to some other guy who says he knows what God wants us to do. Some people like the certainty of having “absolute truth” in their life. It removes the ambiguity and uncertainty from life. Other people see beauty in the uncertainty and the unknown. I’m always interested in what individuals have to say on almost any topic, but hearing someone pound the same drum over why their religion is the truth year after year offers nothing new, interesting . . . . I just don’t wake up in the morning looking for confirmation of my existing belief system all day long. I look to learn something new. Have you heard anyone say, “when the prophet speaks, the thinking has been done.” People have been claiming that around the world for thousands of years in countless different religions. Each group and each different time in history thought their prophet was the true prophet. If you want that, its out there in many different religions. I’m very comfortable with the tools God gave me to understand him. I just don’t, can’t, won’t, ain’t gonna listen to any of the countless people around the globe claiming to be prophets. Why would I? I go straight to the source.

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    • PerniciousD
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 11:00pm

      But, I do believe there is much for you – you personally – to gain in the LDS church. It means something to you, it offers something, it promotes some good values. If it is meaningful to you, I truly think that is great. I obviously see countless problems with its doctrine and application, but I guess ultimately I see it as something very difficult for people to get out of. I say that because I’ve seen it a great deal. I know these people. I’ve seen the turmoil in their lives. I’ve known people having affairs, doing drugs, telling me to my face they don’t believe, then getting married in the SLC Temple – only to continue their ways. It‘s really tough on people who don’t want to be a party of it because often their family and friends don’t treat them the same after that. Now, its easier get out of the LDS Church than to tell your folks you’re not going to follow Allah anymore (for a muslim), but its still tough. Why not encourage someone who chooses to take a different spiritual path? The family is ashamed, embarassed? Just my thoughts.

      I’ve seen a significant shift in the Church over time and I believe it has moderated and will continue to do so because the information is now readily available to all Members and Investigators – the internet. There are movements in the Church – middle way mormons, etc. Things are changing, which I think will ultimately be good for everyone, especially those who simply don’t want to partake.

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    • joel228
      Posted on May 29, 2011 at 2:18pm

      Aren’t you glad Christ said “if it feels good, do it”? Makes it easier on everyone. Or do I have that confused with someone?

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    • PerniciousD
      Posted on May 29, 2011 at 5:44pm

      No offense Joel, but my standards are so much higher than the standards set by the LDS Church for its members. I look at what is asked of an LDS member – I don’t mean to be disrespectful, but it looks easy. For years I lived in Salt Lake City and I was just blown away at how superficial it all seemed. I concluded mormonism is mostly a cultural thing – there is very little spirituality – at least compared to the existence I have lead. I honestly could never lower my standard to follow the LDS prohet, doctrine, etc. This I know. I have to strive for so much more than the LDS Church requires of its members. I have almost my entire life. I would never settle for less.

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    • joel228
      Posted on May 29, 2011 at 8:04pm

      Assuming all you say is true, would you mind a little friendly advice from an anonymous person on The Blaze? In spite of all your good works I believe you lack two critical characteristics, faith and humility.

      If Moses (a prophet) told you all you had to do to be healed is to look on the snake on a stick would you do it? If Elijah (a prophet) sent a servant to tell you all you had to do to be healed is bath seven times in the Jordan river would you do it?

      You said you can figure it out yourself. Maybe you think you have nothing that needs to be healed. Good luck on that.

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  • el_gancho
    Posted on May 28, 2011 at 1:04am

    I’ll go ahead and settle this long running arguement once and for all. Please read along silently as I read aloud…

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    The very first word sets the tone for the entire ammendment. CONGRESS shall make no law…
    As I have done on numerous occasions, I challenge you to find “separation of church and state” in the U.S. Constitution. I’ll save you the time…it’s not there. The phrase was written by Thomas Jefferson in a letter to the Danbury, CT Baptist Assn in 1802. It is in reference to the Establishment Clause of the First Ammendment of the Constitution, regarding the newly formed U.S. government establishing a state run, or national religion. This was included in the ammendment because of the religious persecution that the colonial settlers endured while in England at the hands of the state run Church of England which was headed by the king. As written it applies to the CONGRESS and it’s creation of a religion. At this point you would look to the 10th Ammentment to the Constitution and see that such a right was neither delegated strictly to the federal government, nor denied to the individual states, thereby making it a constitutional right for the individual states to do as they please regardin

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    • el_gancho
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 1:07am

      oops, ran out of room.

      …making it a constitutional right of the individual states to do as they please with regard to religion.

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  • lamarwi
    Posted on May 28, 2011 at 12:59am

    @Brian8793

    Dude relax. The cross used next to the freeway is a symbol that an officer has died in the line of duty, not an endorsement of a specific religion. It is one that all understand. Get off your graven image horse and respect the fallen officers. What marker would you use? The Angel Moroni is already busy.

    See you in Sacrament meeting.

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    • brian8793
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 1:06am

      I think there’s a big difference between Moroni blowing a trumpet, and a torture device that my redeemer was slaughtered on, but I see your point. I’m going to chill out. Thanks, and have a good night ; )

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    • brian8793
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 1:14am

      Besides, The State of Utah has a right to keep the crosses if they wish. I‘ll worry about Arizona’s giant crosses (like the one that got jacked ftw), and I’ll let Utah folk worry about themselves.

      Again, thanks for settin me straight on this issue…

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  • brian8793
    Posted on May 28, 2011 at 12:45am

    Pernicious, The Church doesn’t tell people to “SHUN” anybody, let alone a FAMILY MEMBER. If I saw a fellow brother or sister SHUN a family member, I would call them out, and tell them that they need to talk with the Bishop!

    Besides, nobody’s perfect. Don’t judge the Church on a few members you have met. Judge the Church based on THE CHURCH ITSELF.

    If nothing else, you sure do hold the Church to a high standard. I respect that…Test those spirits brother

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  • Concerned Green Beret
    Posted on May 28, 2011 at 12:45am

    We have already lost our 1st Amendment Rights. I say this by looking at the comments posted here. Everyone is arguing this unquestionably tyrannical destruction of our inalienable right of freedom of religion (We have freedom of religion granted by God, not freedom of worship granted by a UN charter rag). That is, the court said that the crosses endorse a religion therefore they are unconstitutional. The 1st amendment prohibits the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FROM “ESTABLISHING” A NATIONAL RELIGION (it says nothing about endorsing a religion). Therefore, if you look at all the cases that have taken our rights from us as individuals and our STATES, you will find none of them are based on the 1st Amendment in reality. We have lost. Game over until we start arguing from the principles of the Constitution. The enemies of the constitution want you all to argue with their arguements. Arguements that have nothing to do with our inalienable rights, like “endorsements”.

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  • brian8793
    Posted on May 28, 2011 at 12:41am

    I don‘t understand Christians that don’t like atheists. Why would you want to be negative to them? Don’t you want them to feel the spirit, and change their evil ways? Calling them names and ridiculing them is NOT THE WAY. The only thing you are doing is pushing them further away from The Lord.

    Turn the other cheek, love your fellow man. It doesn’t say “Except they be atheist.” You don’t know how they were raised, or where they’ve been. Kill them with the SPIRIT OF THE LORD! Take them cookies, or invite them over for dinner, and show them how real followers of The Son of God treat each other.

    PEACE!

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  • mndjohnson
    Posted on May 28, 2011 at 12:35am

    Christians tolerate Atheists. We even pray for them. Yet the Athiest are so militant and intolerant. They want to remove every symbol of Christianity and our Christ from this Republic and the world. Why are they so hateful? If they want to go to hell it is their choice. God does not force them to Love HIM. It is free will to choose to believe or not believe. Christians choose to believe. Our nation is a Christian nation and founded on Godly principles whether Athiest think so or not. Leave the Crosses. Let the Athiest look the other way.

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  • dancing bear
    Posted on May 28, 2011 at 12:34am

    the troopers should put up a road side jail for atheists.

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    • dancing bear
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 1:52am

      Who are these athiests anyway a bunch of x cons.

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    • Amica
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 2:11am

      Hahahahahahahaha!

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    • Rayblue
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 11:40am

      I have to smile whenever I remember the fate of their hero, Madeline Murray O’Hare.
      Grand Poobah of the “atheists”. Kinda deserving IMO. Whole organization was criminal.

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  • brian8793
    Posted on May 28, 2011 at 12:33am

    Pernicious, I hope he sees you in a Mormon Church when he returns : )

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  • brian8793
    Posted on May 28, 2011 at 12:28am

    Pernicious, we don’t have crosses because we believe they are graven images. Nowhere in the Bible does it say to carry a cross around to remember Christ. In fact, it says that we should remember him by his words, and obviously his atonement for all mankind.

    Why are you so against The Mormon Church? What have they EVER done to you?

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    • PerniciousD
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 12:36am

      Nothing to me. I’ve just seen a lot of friends suffer when they left the mormon church because their families shunned them. Funny thing, even people that went to other Christian churches were essentially rejected by their parents. And I’ve seen a lot who wanted to leave but were afraid of what would happen in terms of family rejection, job . . . you name it.

      I think its great for those who want to be in, like you. But its terrible for people who want to get out – its tough to get out and go to a different church.

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    • SingerGuy
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 12:56am

      My father left the Methodist church and was baptized into the LDS Church before I was born. I remember very well a family reunion we went to when I was 18. I had never met his side of the family before, as they all live in the Joplin area and I grew up in Utah. Imagine my surprise when nearly 19 years after he became LDS his entire family shunned him at the reunion. No one would talk to him and none of their kids would play with me or my brothers and sisters. It was a miserable experience. So please don’t act like that is a one-way street! People behave badly over religion no matter what belief system they are part of.

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    • PerniciousD
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 1:09am

      Singerguy, maybe your Dad’s family felt shunned when they were not allowed to attend his wedding if he was married in the temple. LDS don’t allow non-lds family members to attend a wedding in the LDS temple. That causes some tough feelings for Moms, Dads, brothers. Its hard to understand why an LDS who professes to be christian will not allow another Christian attend their child’s wedding in an LDS church. That aside, I appreciate and respect your comments here. You do sound quite reasonable.

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    • Amica
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 2:01am

      Pernicious:
      I’m sorry about what happened to your friend. I know of people who have been disowned forever by their families for coming into the LDS Church. A guy I know from Ireland even took a knife for it.

      The individuals who behave in such an un-Christian manner will have their reward.

      The LDS Church does NOT teach it’s membership to shun their family or friends who leave the Church, or to not associate with people who are not members. In my opinion, people who behave that way must have such fragile faith that they don’t think it can stand up to the slightest outside influence.

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    • Amica
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 2:09am

      Pernicious:
      The Temple is not an “LDS Church.” It’s not the place we go to worship on Sundays (anyone can go there), it has very specific purposes and not even all LDS members can go in.

      So is the attendance at one ceremony equal to decades of rejection?

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    • one yrs. food ration like Glenn says..
      Posted on May 29, 2011 at 6:46am

      @BUCKBAUG.. You know what is so funny about that is ? I bet not one atheist complains around Christmas time and the time off from work that they get… I BET that they WOULD be up in arms if the bosses took their Christmas time off away..

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  • Libertarian Atheist
    Posted on May 28, 2011 at 12:17am

    The crosses aren’t forcing anyone to believe in christianity and are no big deal, this is what sickens me about other atheists is they try to force their values on people the same way that the religious people they oppose so much try to do. It‘s a freaking memorial get over it and let it be you don’t have to attack everything that‘s religious just because you don’t believe in it.

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    • republitarian
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 1:43am

      Thank you!

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    • Common Sense America
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 1:50am

      Well said!

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    • The Gooch
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 11:31am

      Careful stepping off the reservation, friend. Tends to get one removed from the Winter Holiday card list. Your reasoned summation is appreciated, but I suspect you are the exception, not the norm. You tell us: Are most atheists of the “live and let live” bent, or is it typical to be hypersensitive and histrionic?

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  • brian8793
    Posted on May 28, 2011 at 12:16am

    I’m pretty sure the last thing Jesus wants to see when he returns)shortly) is a bunch of CROSSES!

    Any religious symbol on public land is a joke. Take those GRAVEN images away! Thanks to the restoration we no longer have to worry about supertitions and fairytales. The truth is here brothers and sister. Test the spirits! http://www.lds.org

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    • PerniciousD
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 12:26am

      Brian, good news for Jesus – he won’t see any crosses at the mormon churches when he returns.

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    • SlimnRanger
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 7:59am

      The cross repsents what Christ did for us, he suffered and died on the cross willingly that we may be saved,no other man on the face of this earth has been sinless like Jesus was,he endured,he suffered,he bled and died because he loves us and is willing that no one perish but that all come to repentance,the cross repesents what he did for us rather than it being a cruel symbol of death,after all Christ did arise the third day and overcame the cross,just as we can overcome death and the grave by accepting Christ as our Lord and Saviour.There ain’t no grave gonna hold my body down!

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    • windwalker
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 10:44am

      Brian8793 would you please stop trying to representing the Mormon/LDS faith… your not doing a very good job. I think you need to study our religion a little longer and really get a firm grip on who Christ is. Crosses are fine in the LDS faith when it comes to death but we do not view it as a representation of all of Christ life, ministry, etc. If other faiths use it to represent all of Christ then that is their choice… let the worship, how and what they may…

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  • freestaterev
    Posted on May 28, 2011 at 12:15am

    My atheist friends are some of the most unhappy, unforfilled, arrogant, and hostile people I know…I still pray for them. One of those friends eventually came to know the Lord, and as his atheism left- so did every bit of his negativity.

    He shared with me that he always prided himself on being “open minded”, but finally came to admit his mind was so closed his heart could barely be pried open to let any joy in. Now he’s one of the happiest guys I know- amen…

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  • republitarian
    Posted on May 28, 2011 at 12:00am

    “Atheist and humanist organizations have taken the crosses to court as a violation of separation of church and state”

    Ah, yes. Those sacred words that don’t appear anywhere in the constitution.

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    • brian8793
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 12:19am

      So you wouldn’t mind if Muslims started having those moons on public land? What about a giant Star of David on public land? Better yet, let’s get The Church of Scientology to make a huge monument of their symbol, and we can put it in the WHITE HOUSE!

      No, there must be a seperation of Church and State. The Constitution doesn’t frown against smoking crack either. Should I start doin it?

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    • Psychosis
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 12:51am

      @ brian

      stop beating your wife

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    • republitarian
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 1:39am

      @ Brian,

      No I wouldn’t mind. Put moons and stars wherever you want. Heck, green clovers and blue diamonds for all I care, but I draw the line at purple horseshoes. Those are graven images and no place on our public lands!

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    • Amica
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 1:50am

      Brian;
      I apologize for that. Seriously. Not sure what led me to believe that you were athiest, but you’re obviously not.

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  • Lion420
    Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:59pm

    Libs can’t stand reminders of their sinful ways that will eventually land them in HELL, or as my kids like to cal it…“Dead Jail” lol!!!

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  • BurntHills
    Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:58pm

    there are no atheists in foxholes.

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    • American Soldier (Separated)
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 7:08pm

      You know this how? Have you been inside every literal and figurative foxhole in every conflict in our entire existence?

      There are no theists in foxholes. After the bullet stop flying, the theist might thank a God for surviving, but the only reason they’re alive is because they were a better marksmen than the enemy. Had the enemy been better at their job, you’d be a dead man no matter if you pray to a god or not.

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  • BurntHills
    Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:57pm

    the American Legion just performed a US Military funeral service for our family in Illinois on May 19th, in a tiny sun-dappled pioneer cemtery in the woods near the Fox River. . the Legion arrived on time in their uniforms, the chaplain’s prayer was perfect, the flag folding was perfect, and when their bugler played Taps, even the trees fell silent and the notes reached Heaven itself..
    later, afterwards, the bugler came over because he happened to know our veteran, and he had a funny bar tale to tell us of first meeting him, it was heartwarming great.

    GOD Bless the AMERICAN LEGION.

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    • brian8793
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 12:35am

      Amen to that. God Bless The American Legion!

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    • Amica
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 1:46am

      Brian;
      I realize that it’s just an expression, but I find it funny that an athiest would say “Amen.” If you think about it, that’s every bit as religious as a cross. Did you offend yourself?

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  • 101
    Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:53pm

    Atheist have no beliefs in anything so why should they care…why is this even an issue.
    It‘s about as dumb as saying atheist can’t live in Utah, that’s a thought!

    People need to mind their own business & respect others or get the hell out!

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  • jedi.kep
    Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:52pm

    These damned bastards. Stop shoving your unbelief down my throat!

    The crosses are a state issue and not a federal issue. When will this country get it’s path straight?

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    • StonyBurk
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 11:34am

      Jedi– you are right that it is a State issue. But there are those like Brian8793 who choose not to understand the First Amendment issue. The best description I have seen of the “meaning” of the Establishmnet clause -is part of the Congressional Record Jan.19,1853 Us Senate Judiciary Committee Report by Mr.Badger and March27 1854 Corresponding House Report by Mr.Meacham on Chaplains and the the Establishment of Religion.There simply can be NO violation of the First Amendment by any Static display on –or off Govt.Property.The “endorsement Test– like the Lemon Test are equally a dangerous distortion of the terms used as understood when the Amendment was adopted-and ought therefore be retired to the trash heap of failed experiments by a nation in decline.

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  • BurntHills
    Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:51pm

    hey, UTAH is one of our most religious Christian states in America with family values and solid in their form of Christianity {like Methodists and Wesleyans and Episcopals and Baptists and Catholics etc etc..we are ALL in our own forms of Christianity.. even down to “Bob’s Grill Tap and Jesus Church in the Barn” congregations.} why are atheists even MESSING with Utah to begin with? the Mormons founded that very prosperous State… are the obama atheists getting paid by obama for every cross they protest?

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    • PerniciousD
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 12:18am

      But in Utah mormons don’t have crosses in Mormon churches. For mormons the cross is not used as a Christian symbol. Look at their churches. You’ll never see a cross outside or on the steeple. Not sure why. I always thought it was kind of strange. Can anyone explain why the cross is never on the steeple of the church – or on the outside somewhere?

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    • PerniciousD
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 12:20am

      But in Utah mormons don’t have crosses in Mormon churches. For mormons the cross is not used as a Christian symbol. Look at their churches. You’ll never see a cross outside or on the steeple. Not sure why. I always thought it was kind of strange. Can anyone explain why the cross is never on the steeple of the church or outside somewhere?

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    • brian8793
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 12:24am

      I’m Mormon, and I can’t stand to look at crosses. Why would you want to? Where in The Bible does it say that we should remember Christ by a SYMBOL of the cross that he died on? I think we need to remember him by his word, and his Atonement for all mankind, rather than some torture device.

      I think that there could easily be a symbol we could use to honor those cops that would be more appropriate…

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    • jennlenhuff
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 12:35am

      PerniciousD

      Mormons don‘t use the cross as a symbol because they don’t believe on dwelling on the death of Christ, but rather his life and resurrection.

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    • SingerGuy
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 12:50am

      @PerniciousD: If you had a son who was stabbed in a dark alley, how would you choose to best remember him? Would you want to hang the knife he was stabbed with on your wall, and wear a miniature replica of it around your neck, or would you prefer to remember him as he lived; the kind of person he was? Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe that the true suffering of the atonement happened in the Garden of Gethsemane, and merely culminated on the cross. Thus the cross is not a complete symbol of the atonement. But the true triumph was the resurrection; that Christ Lives! Why celebrate his suffering when you can celebrate his triumph over death?

      Please do not debate the doctrine. I’m not here to defend it, and this is not the forum for religious debate anyway. It is what it is. I’m just happy to help present it to you. At least you will know _why_ you will never see a cross in an LDS chapel.

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    • Erin24
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 12:56am

      We like to reflect on the triumph of our Christ over death… The Resurrection… rather than the thought of Him hanging by nails, on a cross. The cross is still a valid symbol for Latter-day Saints. But that’s all it is, a symbol. Beyond that, I don’t know!

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    • LOOKING_BOTH_WAYS
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 1:46am

      I’m going with the Mormons on this one .. what do you think Jesus would say about the Cross ? It’s something that was used to Kill him. !!!

      btw .. i think it was a fish that was the first symbol of Christ …now that i can love

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    • PerniciousD
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 2:25am

      I guess I don’t see the cross as something used to kill Jesus, so much as I see it as reminder that he died for our sins.

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    • LetUsReason
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 3:41am

      @ PERNICIOUSD

      I agree with Jenn. I wouldn’t go so far with Brian as to say that Mormons in general believe crosses are disgusting to look at. A huge cross with a twisted, pained, emaciated Jesus stuck to it isn’t personally my cup of tea, but to each his own, and I will respect another‘s form of devotion if that’s how they prefer to express it. My comment above, connected to the first post, is a more in-depth analysis of your concern as it relates to crosses by the road in Utah. It should clear any confusion on the matter for you or anyone similarly uneasy.

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    • one yrs. food ration like Glenn says..
      Posted on May 29, 2011 at 6:53am

      @BURNTHILLS.. How in the heck did obama get involved in this ? You know it’s G.W’s fault, sheesh …

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    • one yrs. food ration like Glenn says..
      Posted on May 29, 2011 at 6:55am

      @BRIAN… WE LOOK SO We NEVER FORGET..

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  • 82dAirborne
    Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:51pm

    Here’s an idea for everyone religious or not, white, black, brown, red, yellow, purple, male, female whomever:

    LIVE AND LET LIVE!!

    If you don’t approve of a movie -> don’t buy a ticket.

    If you don’t approve of a TV program -> change the channel

    If you don’t approve of a book or magazine -> don’t buy it.

    “If it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg what business is it of mine?”

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    • Obama_Sham
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 12:09am

      Like I was taught as a child… If you don’t like what is happening around you, you have the right to leave…

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    • brian8793
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 12:20am

      It does break my legs. I am a taxpayer, and I don’t want to see a graven image on public land.

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    • 82dAirborne
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 12:42am

      I suppose you meant to say that it “..picked your pocket…” If yo, for whatever petty reason, think it’s a graven image; think of it as an “X” at a strange angle.

      Or get a life & worry yourself about something that really matters.

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    • brian8793
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 1:08am

      82Airborne, I didn’t mean any disrespect with my comments, and I can understand how you might have thought I was. I respect your right to have your own opinion and stance on an issue, and I hope you don’t hold this against me.

      Also, thanks for serving!

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    • joseph Fawcett
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 1:27am

      Then with the attituted of “live and let live” standing up for what is right and just for another is not in your frame of mind. That is how we got abortion, since men can’t have babies their voices were silenced, since the babies could not even speak for themselves their voices have never been heard, and because so many people had your attituted about not caring enough about the right or wrong and not speaking up in the beginning we have Murder for hire on the most innocent of all. Your attituted is wrong and has gotten us into the state of this country as it is. We are not only finacially bancrupt but morally bancrupt also. Your attitute is the main cause of it too. Think about it!!

      http://www.josephfawcettart.com western artist

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    • HisNameWasRobertPaulson
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 1:30am

      Brian, Crosses are not graven images. A graven image is something that is worshiped AS god. A cross is used as a sign of acknowledgment of membership of the general Christian faith and also for killing vampires.

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    • USAMEDIC3008
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 2:12am

      All The Way Sir..

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    • My Sacred Honor
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 2:24am

      BRIAN, you whiney crybaby woman, tell me PLEASE how this ‘breaks your legs” I am waiting feverishly. Does the mere sight of a cross make you piddle on the carpet like a 6-week-old puppy? How are these crosses in ANY way forcing you to believe anything you don’t believe? Answer: They do not. Not in ANY way. They are there to commemorate in the belief of those who believe, those who have died, and are commemorated in a way they believe.
      They in NO WAY force a belief on you or any other who may see them.
      I am sick to effing DEATH of crybabies who cry at the sight of something different than what you believe. This is NOT what the 1st amendment meant at all. It was NOT meant to coddle those of you who wither at the sight of a differing view.
      You and your ilk disgust me.
      Take your momma’s teet out your mouth, change your huggy-drawers and grow a set.

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    • Dustyluv
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 2:45am

      Brian must be a vampire. He cant drive when he sees a cross..

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    • Opinionmonger
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 6:26am

      Yes that is how things ought to be.
      But the reality is that every punyminded zealot wants to force their religion upon another.
      It is all about power over the masses and to control them.
      We must never let them get away with it, or we will be enslaved by their ideas.
      But things are coming to america which are not pretty if you realy like the freedom you still enjoy, the people must speakup against the tyranny which lies ahead.

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  • BurntHills
    Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:45pm

    let’s start with the atheists, they are messing up everyday America as much as obama is, who unfortunately is federally Protected. they aren’t. time to start hitting them back, THEY offend US and We surround THEM.

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    • cheezwhiz
      Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:52pm

      and that for crosses to represent troopers who could possibly be of another faith or no faith is insulting.
      ——
      So how many of those troopers were of another faith or no faith ?
      No really, how many were of another faith or no faith ?

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    • bulletsinthegun
      Posted on May 27, 2011 at 11:58pm

      time to take america back starting with these idiots. I did not serve my country to listen to these whiners. send them to my house for an education of right and wrong. We’re right and you are wrong. I’ve had enough

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    • republitarian
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 12:05am

      They enjoy offending. It’s a game.

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    • PerniciousD
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 12:10am

      I’m suprised crosses are on the freeways in Utah. Mormons don’t use the cross. You’ll never find a cross in a mormon church. You’ll never see a mormon wearing a cross. They don’t see the cross as a religious symbol in their church.

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    • TomFerrari
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 12:25am

      Sue the RED CROSS next!!! How DARE they have any object in that shape!

      Litigious idiots full of hate.

      Our country is a mess.

      The Constitution protects the PEOPLE’s practice of religion FROM THE GOVERNMENT. It does not protect the government from the religion of the people.
      We need good teachers and good attorneys (the primary background of judges and legislators)
      We need to encourage our children to be teachers and attorneys.

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    • Showtime
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 12:26am

      I wish that those athiests could just realize that there are other things to complain about, other things to protest, other things to stand up against besides a cross.

      Why can’t they protest $20b to Brazil? How about a foreign national being in the White House? How about the dumbing down of our schools? How about the Progressives rewriting American history? What about tax dollars funding abortions? How about a lying putative president? What about tax dollars paying for Pelosi’s rats, Florida’s turtles, and God only knows what else. How about a putative president who spends 95% of his time looking at himself in the mirror, playing golf, and vacationing?

      In God We Trust!

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    • 123gone
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 12:29am

      Personally, I would find it extremely offensive to fail to honor these fallen officers with anything less than the crosses that are currently in place !!

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    • banjarmon
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 12:55am

      Lets fight back with a Cross in every front yard…I have, you should too.

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    • CatB
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 1:03am

      If they don’t like the crosses .. they should stop looking at the crosses … and try to be as tolerant of others as they demand others to be of them.

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    • AynRandLives
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 1:15am

      Follow the money…where do they get their funding?

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    • kma
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 1:18am

      I’m an atheist, and there‘s a few things I don’t understand here. First: why can‘t other atheists just shut up and let people believe in the same way we don’t believe. Either way none of us is hurting the others. If you are that offended by a cross, don’t look at it. Second: why do people think atheists are so unhappy? I’m perfectly comfortable not believing in a god, and looking to science for the answers to my questions about life.

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    • beverlee
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 1:18am

      BRIAN8793:

      I suppose a self-centered, body builder such as yourself WOULD be an atheist. Try caring about someone other than yourself. And if I am out of line, well actually I am tired of caring if I’m out of line…been doing that for 50 years and all I got is stepped on by liberals. NO LONGER.

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    • LOOKING_BOTH_WAYS
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 1:32am

      Here we go again .. send it to the Supreme Court .. My God can’t they make a final ruling on the 1st Amendment by now !!!!!
      My opinion is,,,, put up the Cross ..but accept all other Religions .. put up the Star of David
      and the Crescent Moon and a Star that the Musslys have
      or don’t …. I’m going to go with NONE …and end this debate ……and don’t get me going about Atheist

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    • My Sacred Honor
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 1:38am

      Get the eff over it, atghiests and those who wish to erase God from American culture. Are you all such children that the mere sight of anything not conforming with your beliefs is “insulting” or “offensive”?? Do you all NOT uinderstand that there are other beliefs than yours, and the banning of such actually defies the PRINCIPAL, not CONSTITUTIONALITY of “fredom of religion” by enforcing your OWN religious beliefs? We are a nation of religious freedoms, not one of religious restrictions. When atheists ban religious “postings”, they are enforcing their own beliefs, and if you athiests actually believe in “seperation of church and state”, then when you ask for any other religious …”symbols’ to be banned, then you are going against your own doctrine by having your OWN beliefs propagated by having them banned.
      Grow the eff up and stop crying and puling like petulent children. These “idols” are NOT forcing anything on you, and if you cry merely at the sight of them, then you need to take a long hard look at your life, pay attention to what is important to YOU, and leave everyone else alone.
      The 1st amendment gives freedom of religion, NOT freedom to ban whatever religion you happen to disagree with.
      Grow up. I’m sick of this madness.

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    • My Sacred Honor
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 1:40am

      These crosses are NOT demanding that you comply with a certain religious doctrine or belief, they are merely a rminder that there is another choice.
      These crosses are NOT forced on you. Just like any highway billboard doesn’t FORCE you to “stop in at the McWhatever at the next exit”.
      You immature crybabies.

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    • spikebu
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 1:45am

      Show, you’ve just listed several of their goals. Benj, I am asking my neighbors to do the same. Beverlee, I am also tired of caring if I step on somebody’s toes. I refuse to feel guilty or express any apology for my beliefs! Label me racist because I DON’T LIKE OBAMA. I no longer care. He is still offensive to everything I believe in. Him being black doesn’t change my beliefs. Only God could do that, and since God is constant, I don’t see that happening. Anything within my belief system they denigrate, I will PROUDLY display!

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    • republitarian
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 1:52am

      @KMA

      You are a rare, well adjusted atheist. And you’re welcome at my fire anytime.

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    • spikebu
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 1:53am

      Don’t forget, Atheism is a religion. They can no more prove there ISN’T God than we can prove there is. Atheists act on faith. Just like us.

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    • desertkid
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 2:09am

      My grandma use to always tell us “if it wasn’t for the christians in this country, we wouldn’t have the military that we have. And if it weren’t for the atheist in this country, we wouldn’t have the prison system that we have.”
      You all know the reason for them to pi ss and moan is hate. Those crosses don’t offend them they just want the attention. A true atheist would see those crosses as two boards nail together and not as a spiritual symbol. If they acknowledge it as a spiritual symbol then they are acknowledging God. Wow, that‘s some atheist isn’t it?

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    • Dustyluv
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 2:41am

      Dismantle all telephone poles while you are at it. Looks just like a cross too! Morons!

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    • The Third Archon
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 3:05am

      What is that supposed to mean? Ever heard of the 1st Amendment? What happened to the whole “nonviolence” thing Glenn is going on about?

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    • LetUsReason
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 3:34am

      @ PERNICIOUSD

      You seem to have a propensity for negative posts and posts attempted to incite controversy on a scope of topics. Let me help you out with this one. While it is no secret that Mormons do not typically wear crosses or crucifixes as jewelry, nor adorn chapels with crosses as tradition has come to dictate, the symbol of a Mormon’s faith in Jesus Christ is shown by other means. The focus is on the life and resurrection of Christ and not the death and the symbol of it. The LDS recognize that other Christians acknowledge the cross to have special meaning to them, and this is respected and honored. It is hoped that others will also honor a Mormon’s prerogative to symbolize their faith and devotion of the Savior through other representations.

      As far as the highway crosses, it is understood that the cross represents death. It represents the death of Christ to those wear crosses, it represents burial locations at cemeteries, and it represents the death of drivers on the side of the road. While the religious symbol of Christ’s death is not emphasized by the LDS Church, it is simply ignorant to suppose that Mormons (or in this case, Utah in general) would ignore this symbol in all contexts. We can commemorate those who have lost their lives by using a cross on the side of the road, knowing that the resurrection of Christ conquers the grave for all. I hope this has cleared up any confusion that may have previously existed. God Bless.

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    • Opinionmonger
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 5:46am

      a well just put a halfmoon an chrysantynum and a star of davin alongside, a dollar and a dot nearby, who can complain then, huh?
      But there are more places wher free speech is censored you know.
      It also happens on public chatboxes wher people who warn what evil is coming to america are booted because they speak their minds, and try to warm the people.
      But no, that message does not fit their agenda, for they just in it to make a buck with stolen video’s posted on Youtube.
      So much for the memory of the Rev, G Whiteman, he also warned about what was coming, but then most people were not stupid and prepared for the evil the redcoats represented..

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    • 79USMC83
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 6:00am

      No worries ya’ll this debate will be over once Sharia Law is passed in America. There will be NO more Crosses or Atheists. The Atheist will be burned on the crosses by eleven year old Muslim “PIGS” !! TERM LIMITS NOW !! FAIR TAX NOW !! BACK TO THE CONSTITUTION in 2012 or REVOLUTION!!

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    • Esthers_daughter
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 6:25am

      @LETUSREASON- Thank you for clearing up what I believe to be a misguided thought about Mormons. I couldnt have said it any better. I am not Mormon myself but was raised in the church and I know that there are a lot of weird, crazy or just plain dumb ideas out there about what they do or do not believe.

      @KMA- I wish that more athiests could be as wonderfully grounded and reasonable as you are. Thank you! I embrace your decision to not believe in God as you embrace my decision to believe in God. And thats how it should be :)

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    • chazman
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 7:38am

      If they are athiest‘s then they don’t believe in God, right? Then why would they care? If they don‘t believe then it shouldn’t bother them, right? Do we have to go after athiest’s now, as well as Illegal hispanics, gays and lezzies, ******* and commies? How many more creeps are gonna come out of the woodwork?

      Ever since this MARXIST OBAMMY was elected, conservative values have been under severe attack by these and other groups, but I can only be pushed so far. I am getting close to my tolerance limit …

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    • grandmaof5
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 7:55am

      Maybe the state needs to exempt those plots of land and sell them for $50.00 a piece. Then the crosses won’t be on public land.

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    • avenger
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 8:38am

      sometimes freedom is just plain silly…

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    • AOL_REFUGEE
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 9:02am

      Atheists are such damm wussies. Plus, they know damm well that they’re “different”. Crosses should serve them as a reinforcing reminder to that. Just goes to show their erroneous logic.

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    • Buck Bagaw
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 9:16am

      ‘I was going to join the atheists but then I discovered that they have no holidays’ (Rodney Dangerfield)

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    • Colonial Revolutionary
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 9:20am

      There are a lot of crosses in Arlington National Cemetery. Just saying.

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    • BJColter Country Music Iconoclast
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 9:31am

      Go to hell, frickin atheists! That’s a joke, y’all, now get all offended. You atheists fight God so hard. Here’s a little diddy about it.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqdufoUASMc

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    • MrButcher
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 9:55am

      Theologically speaking, how does this not violate the 2nd commandment?

      I mean “no graven images” must certainly also apply to crosses as well, right?

      You should thank the atheists for protecting you from breaking the laws of your own damn religion and, thusly (according to your dogma), saving you from eternal torment.

      I mean, if Christians are so willing to wantonly violate the codes they claim are so sacred and vital to themselves, why should we take them seriously?

      Easy answer: we shouldn’t.

      cheers

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      ps–I do think the atheists in this case are wrong. free expression is not forbidden on public grounds. even if that free expression is blasphemous.

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    • Miyegombo Bayartsogt
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 10:24am

      These people aren’t atheists. If they were atheists, these crosses wouldn’t bother them a wit. No, these people believe in God, they just don’t like Him.

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    • Evileye
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 11:18am

      There are a segment in our society that will sue over anything
      My definition of a lawyer is some one that would rape his own mother then sue her for incest.
      I do not think it is the cross or the ten commandment that are the bone.there contentions ,they are natural born troublemakers.
      If you belive the Nile river was turned to blood or if you consider this a fairy tale.
      should be left to your personal judgement not a path to get on National TV and make an ass out of yourself

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    • American Soldier (Separated)
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 11:50am

      @BURNTHILLS The whole concept of a REPUBLIC, that some of you spout off when it’s convenient for YOUR argument is that is it mean to protect the minority from the majority. Otherwise, the founders would have just given us a direct democracy and allow mob (majority) rule. They didn’t. It wasn’t a coincidence either, it was intentional.

      @SHOWTIME Because none of those issues have anything to do with religious or lack thereof.

      @123GONE Why crosses? How about a nice slab of granite, with their honors etched into the stone for all eternity (or a really long time).

      @CHAZMAN So you have to go after gays and lesbians as if they were wild bears in need of culling? And you believe in God? I wonder what he would actually think of this notion….

      I personally, don’t care. I live in TN and I see crosses all over the place. Billboards with pro-religion messages. Have at it. As long as it’s not my tax dollars paying for it, then fine. As far as these crosses go, if they paid for it themselves (private donations) and didn’t use a penny of tax dollars to fund it, I have no problem with it as an Agnostic.

      @MRBUTCHER I always enjoy your comments.

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    • Veritas7
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 12:46pm

      1. seperation of church and state not in constitution just a letter to a baptist church
      2. seperation of church and state meant to protect the church from the state not the other way around
      3. country was founded as a christian nation yes we advocate religious freedom but the founders were express that our laws and way of life were founded on God’s word I.E. the bible.

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    • outsidethebox
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 2:57pm

      My argument to this is that everything is going to offend someone at one point or another. GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!

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    • Lucy Larue
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 3:22pm

      BURNTHILLS,
      You said it so well. We do surround them. Last I checked they were a minority. Sadly…, the ACLU is doing its level best to make Atheists a majority. But that’s a different issue.
      The Atheists offended by the crosses erected to honor these brave and fallen troopers are dumber than a sack of HAMMERS!
      The CROSS was the most common of PAGAN symbols. The SWASTIKA is a cross.
      Many Historical Theologians believe that Jesus was crucified on a pole. There is much debate.
      What CANNOT be debated is that “THE CROSS” is not exclusive to the crucifixion of Jesus.
      Today it seems to me that the cross is a symbol of HOPE. It is a symbol of rebirth.That’s pretty simplistic. It should not offend ANYONE!
      It should not matter be they the most devout of Christians,the most militant Muslim, or the most vile of Atheists!
      Is HOPE wrong? Of course not!
      It is the Atheists that are wrong to object.

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    • getalong
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 3:33pm

      The progressives endless quest to take God out of America.

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    • BlueStrat
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 5:58pm

      “brian8793
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 12:20am

      It does break my legs. I am a taxpayer, and I don’t want to see a graven image on public land.”

      The decision to consider two pieces of wood nailed together at right-angles as a religious symbol/“graven image”/etc is made by the individual viewing it. So it is YOU who is making it religious. The rest of us see it as a sort of universal grave/death marker.

      Sorry, but there is NO right to not be offended. Take a page from Betty White, and “get over it!”.

      How about if a bunch of us get together and make Brian8793′s face the central symbol of a new religion? By your own logic, you couldn’t set foot on any government land or in any public government building, or even stand beside a public roadway on public right-of-way.

      As others here have already pointed out, “freedom of religion” is meant to protect religions/churches from the government, NOT the other way around. The Founders considered religion ESSENTIAL for the Constitution to work.

      “We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion.” -President John Adams

      Game, set, match.

      Now, go read something so you don’t embarrass yourself so badly on the “interwebs”.

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    • starboardisright
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 6:03pm

      They are atheists merely because they lack the motivation to ask the right questions with the right attitude and humility. I hear there are no atheists in foxholes. Maybe its time to pin them down into some foxholes.

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    • American Soldier (Separated)
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 6:59pm

      @STARBOARDISRIGHT Have you ever been in a foxhole? Have you ever been in combat? I have and I’m an Agnostic. I didn’t break down praying to God when the bullets started flying, I fired back and did what I was trained to do. Survive. The guy next to me, did he break down and pay to God to save him? No. He fired back too! He had my back and I had his back. In fact, I would be appalled if the guy that was in the “foxhole” with me just started praying to God for help. Hey idiot, that bullet isn’t going to fire and hit the enemy itself, return ******* fire!

      And the “separation of church and state” wasn’t meant to protect the church, but the people. A lot of the people that moved to the new world were also running away from oppressive religious rule. How hypocritical of them would it have been if they create a nation that they themselves escaped from?

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    • nzkiwi
      Posted on May 28, 2011 at 8:08pm

      As an atheist, I have to say that I agree with My Sacred Honor one hundred percent.

      In New Zealand some clown decided to start an atheists political party because atheists represent about 35% – 45% of our population. The thing collapsed almost as soon as it was formed because atheists in New Zealand thought that their religious convictions (or lack of them) were the stupidest of reasons for a political party. And rightly so, in my opinion.

      I am always a bit bemused by american atheists who struggle to convince others to their “side” of the arguement. Each person is entitled to their beliefs and none is superior, or more correct, than another. We are not going to find out the absolute truth until we shuffle off our mortal coils. And frankly, Christianity is the most benign and accomodating of religions, so why attack it or its symbols? As an inspiration for good and an encouragement to excel while helping one’s fellows, it has no equal imho. Banning of religious symbols is moronic.

      That being said, I am contemptuous of islam, because of the actions of a few of their adherents, and the inactions of the majority.

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    • one yrs. food ration like Glenn says..
      Posted on May 29, 2011 at 6:30am

      Yes , because the damn crosses are an eye sore and they really bother people as they drive by.. Imagine driving by right after a hard days work and you have to see a … cross ….. Man that must make them nutz, the very thought of Jesus is an insult…
      People are morons and just complain because yes, they can complain….

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    • Concerned Green Beret
      Posted on May 29, 2011 at 7:28am

      American Soldier (Seperated): As my combat experience transcends two decades, I can say that I have seen an athiest’s fear and panic that nearly put a run on an entire squad. But that is neither here nor there with the point I really want to make. That is, there is no such a thing of seperation of church and state in the Constitution of the United States, of which, we both took and oath to protect and defend. The separation of church and state was adamently denied by the founders. If you read the first amendment the only restriction on religion is that which is emposed on the federal government and that restriction is that ONLY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CANNOT “ESTABLISH” AN OFFICIAL CHURCH OF THE UNITED STATES”. In fact the states have the authority to establish official churches with in their states and many in the early years of our country actually had official state churches. Lastly, the separation of church and state was phrasology used to begin the dismantling of our religious freedoms, and was later endorsed by subversive judges. The first amendment cannot be any clearly written in that the people have the right of “FREEDOM OF RELIGION” which is distincly different from FREEDOM FROM RELIGION.

      De Oppresso Liber

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    • Blazer123
      Posted on May 29, 2011 at 1:17pm

      Atheists pushing their religious views on people is offensive to me, can I sue?

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    • slyswine
      Posted on May 29, 2011 at 3:50pm

      @Concerned Green Beret – “In fact the states have the authority to establish official churches with in their states and many in the early years of our country actually had official state churches.”

      States cannot establish official churches. The 14th amendment prohibits this via the incorporation doctrine. Basically the 14th amendment extends application of the Bill of Rights to all states. The 1st amendment applies to the states regarding establishment of a state church.

      “The first amendment cannot be any clearly written in that the people have the right of “FREEDOM OF RELIGION” which is distincly different from FREEDOM FROM RELIGION.”

      How can you have freedom of religion without also having freedom from religion. I think your conception of what freedom from religion is may be skewed a little bit. It’s not like (all) atheists want to completely remove religion from the public sphere. I personally support complete separation of church and state. If understood properly, it protects the individual rights to worship freely as long as those rights don’t impede others rights. It should also prevent elected officials from alienating constituents because of personal religious convictions. As elected officials, bringing personal religious convictions into the realm of politics is in my opinion unprofessional, and tends to lead to attempts of legislating morality based on religious views. This is wrong and I can’t understand why people of faith cannot s

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    • smithclar3nc3
      Posted on May 31, 2011 at 8:26am

      Atheism is a cancer that we have allowed to grow in our society…..IT’S TIME FOR REMOVAL AND CHEMO.

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