Author: These Are the 3 Biggest Lies That Are Spread About Christianity
- Posted on July 4, 2012 at 1:30pm by
Billy Hallowell
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Have you ever wondered why Christianity tends to get the short end of the stick in popular culture, media and entertainment? Recently, The Blaze caught up with Michael Coren, host of Sun News Networks’ “The Arena,” to chat about this very subject. In his book, ”Heresy: Ten Lies They Spread About Christianity,” the author and broadcaster studies the history, central tenets and culture of the world’s most popular faith system.
In it, Coren also debunks 10 of the most pervasive lies that are told about Christianity. These untruths that are so regularly spouted claim that the faith system ”supports slavery, is racist, sexist, homophobic, anti-intellectual, anti-Semitic, provokes war, resists progress, and is repressive and irrelevant,” according to an official description of the book.
Coren, a Canadian, is a Roman Catholic who has grown tired of what he believes are endless attacks on Christianity. His long career in journalism has allowed him to encounter “every attack you can imagine” on the faith. While he admits that he isn’t a theologian, Coren believes that his journalistic experience gives him the perfect insight to examine these issues in-depth.
The author says that in Canada, like in the U.S., Christianity is under assault. While he highlights the 10 biggest lies that are told about the faith in “Heresy,” I asked him to briefly detail what he believes to be the three biggest, overarching mis-truths. Here’s what he chose:
1) The Belief That Christians Are Stupid & Atheists Are Clever: ”Faith has nothing to do with intellectual capacity,” Coren says. “There are clever and stupid Christians and clever and stupid atheists.”
2) The Notion That Jesus Didn’t Exist: ”There is overwhelming evidence for the existence of Jesus,” he claims.
3) The Contention That Christians Have Been on the Wrong Side of History: ”The allegation that Christians have been on the wrong side of history — Hitler was a Christian…all such nonsense,” Coren proclaims. “National socialism is completely contrary to Christianity…[it's] vehemently anti-Christian.”
These disturbing points of critique are, of course, universal, transcending national borders and permeating into various cultures. While many may assume that there are radical differences when it comes to attacks on faith in Canada and the U.S., ironically, the similarities far outweigh the contrasts. Still, it’s important to understand the differing elements at play.
Author and journalist Michael Coren
“Although we are similar to the U.S., we have a very strong European culture here,” he explained, speaking about Canada. “We have this idea and religion is seen as being almost foreign so, for example, when [Canadian Prime Minister] Stephen Harper, who’s not particularly Christian, said ‘God bless Canada’ a few years ago, he was condemned in media.”
Like in America, where atheists and the far-left work to remove faith from the public square, Coren says that Canada experiences a similar dynamic, with influentials in mainstream culture and media leading the charge. However, the assault has apparently been going on much longer there than it has been in America.
“What you’re seeing in the U.S. now is what we saw in Canada 25 years ago,” the journalist explained.
Despite the active role of secularists, Coren claims that they haven’t been at the forefront of anti-Christian sentiment in Canada and that by the time they arrived “the damage was already done.” He cited the eroding of the sanctity of marriage as one of the major issues that has contributed to the anti-faith movement in the country.
“Christianity was seen as the main body as saying ‘no’ to people,” he said. “Most of the attacks [on] Christianity are about one three-letter word and that‘s ’sex.’ [People] want to do what they want to do…and when you tell them ‘no’ they say they hate Christianity.”
Coren claims that secularists and others in the Canadian mainstream wish for Christians to close their mouths about issues pertaining to sexuality and the sanctity of life. This, too, is an issue that many conservatives — particularly Christians — claim is happening in the U.S.
For more about Coren, visit his web site and be sure to check out his intriguing book, ”Heresy: Ten Lies They Spread About Christianity.” We’ll leave you with a video during which he discusses the list of lies in detail, below:
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Comments (203)
rickc34
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 6:14pmMany horrific deeds have been done in the name of God and Christ. Do not blame God for man’s stupid mistakes and misuse of his name. Hitler was not a christian nor were those that call for the Crusades and the Inquisition in Spain. Again men playing God. I believe that a person has a choice to believe as they want without interference from goverments or man, so I do not understand why atheist hate us so that choose to believe, but that is their choice. Satan is able to influence people to do things but it is still their choice to follow through with the deed. Jesus said that they first hated him, and if we choose to follow him they will also hate us. My family turned against me when I accepted Christ as my savior and became a born again believer. The evidence for the Holy Bible is there but people choose not to look. A time of great evil is coming, the church is going through the persecution as told in the Bible, there is a falling away from God and men are becoming lovers of themselves. evil is good and good is evil. I have made my choice and I choose GOD
Report Post »maharickie
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 7:06pm@Rickc: excellent post. Glad to have you as a brother.
Report Post »db321
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 7:39pmCorrect, I do not blame God for Man’s stupid actions. Also, I do not put my faith in Man. I expect to be let down by Man, it show a lack of his character. That said, don’t ever make a Man your God. He isn’t and you are setting yourself up to be let down.
Report Post »bunniethecat
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 8:14pmAmen!
Report Post »Airman92
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:25pm@Rickc34
Report Post »Amen, brother!
ZengaPA65
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:43pm10 Lies from Christianity for starters
Jesus was born of a virgin
Any of that virgin birth stuff original to Christianity
There were three wise men
It is written that he shall be called a Nazarene
The veil in the temple split when Jesus died
People rose from the dead and walked around when Jesus died
There’s thousands or hundreds of fulfilled prophecies in the New Testament
Jews wrote the Gospels
The Gospels were eyewitness accounts
Jesus was antagonistic to mainstream Jewish teaching
There’s many many many more lies Christianity tells.
Report Post »Max jones
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:10pmRiCk34…you speak truth…let me add….All the lies and all the false witness were originated thousands of years before Christ was born, by the father of liars himself,that old serpent. Satan could not prevent the birth of Christ ( though he was hellbent on doing so), Nor could he prevent Christ fulfilling prophecy, with his resurrection. This hateful deceit has now been modified to hide the truth of the divinity of Jesus in our modern era. The attacks are coming from every point on the compass, and will increase in intensity as Satan’s time grows short….Hang on to your BVD’s, Martin, this will not be pretty.
Report Post »rickc34
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 11:27pmZengapa65….were you there?
Report Post »Max jones
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 11:36pmRick, zenga sounds like a kennite intent on mud slinging and deceit….He gets what he believes, pray for him.
Report Post »SpeckChaser
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 12:27amMax
Your absolutely right. We should pity zenga and pray for him as well. He is just playing his role in God’s plan and is probably searching for something more than anything. I think micheal Moore is an unimportant liar and would consider it a waste of time to go out of my way to attack him on a website. If he believed what he is saying about God, he wouldn’t be here wasting his time. Pray for zenga.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 6:21amActually the Bible doesn’t say there were 3 wisemen. We just assume because there were 3 gifts listed. The difference between atheists and Christians, is that atheists insist that no one believe. Christians are ok with atheists not believing, as long as they let us believe. Atheists are more likely to force their “non-belief” onto others as opposed to Christians forcing their belief onto others. Atheists are childish…..believe like my or you’re stupid.
Report Post »chucksue351
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 7:06amnone of those things were done in the name of YHVH but in the so called name (pagan) god, so do not blame the Father of Lights (the true Elohim) with them, so called christianity is only a religion about a savior and not the religion of the Savior Jeshua
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 8:35amZENGA is right about the wisemen, sort of. The Bible never tells how many there were. Also, they were not there when Christ was born, probably not until He was at least a year old. He is bat-crap crazy on everything else. Provably so. I was looking for some evidence in his post. Oddly enough, there wasn’t any.
Report Post »stockpicker
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 10:58amAn amazing comment. I wonder how you became so smart. Be sure not to give credit properly. You free willers expend all your effort saving yourselves that you miss the whole message. As to the story, what value can a non-believer (Roman Catholic) add to the discourse.
Report Post »saf
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 12:08pmI think you better check your history book again. The Spanish Inquisition was a religious tragedy. In the name Catholicism (Christianity) Spain kill 10,000s of 1000s of people to try and unify the country.
And here are some reasons why people do not like the christian belief (as well as others)
1. in the name of god, 1,000,000′s of people have been slaughtered.
2. They stole all their holidays from ever other “Pagan” religion before them, to make it easier to convert people.
3. MOST HYPOCRITICAL PEOPLE I HAVE EVER MEET IN MY LIFE
4. more recent, in America while settling the west. Forced native american’s to speak only English and forced them to cut the hair, and force feed them Christianity.
5. even more recent, played 3 card Monty with child molesters and acted as if nothing happened. Only to let them lose on new innocent victims.
6. Rake in millions of dollars and by saying “Give to the church and your prayers will be answered”(something to that effect)
7. The Arrogance of “My faith is the only correct faith” BS attitude.
Now all these things were done by man, but we all know that we associate the acts of man to the religion. Sometimes it is warranted(musical pedophile) sometimes not. So please stop being so high an mighty about your faith is the best faith. Heck, you can’t even agree on how to worship the same god.
Report Post »bbatty
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 3:49pmThe way you mention and use the Crusades and the Inquistion is actually proof of the problem the article mentions and how ingrained it is in people.
Report Post »Caleb-Texas
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 3:49pm@ SAF
I think you better check your history book again. The Spanish Inquisition was a religious tragedy. In the name Catholicism (Christianity) Spain kill 10,000s of 1000s of people to try and unify the country.
Which history book are you referring? According to historians Henningsen-Contreras the number of cases during the Spanish Inquisition was about 44,674 and the total number of executed people were about 826. The studied was published in the late 1977. Modern historians argue that the number is between 1,300 to 1,500 executions during this period. This number is far below the 10,000 of 1,000 that you are claiming. Perhaps you should stop reading history books published by fundamentalist. Some of which claimed that 95 millions were killed during the inquisition. Considering that the total population of Europe was ~70 millions at that time it makes for amusing argument.
And here are some reasons why people do not like the christian belief (as well as others)
1. in the name of god, 1,000,000′s of people have been slaughtered.
Where is your proof for this? Here is homework for you. How many people died under atheistic regimes during the 20th Century alone?
I suggest you to read: Statistics of genocide: Genocide and Mass Murder since 1900 by Rudolph J. Rummel.
Quick preview: Soviet Union 62 million, Communist China 78 million, Nazi Germany 21 million.
Report Post »Caleb-Texas
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 3:51pm2. They stole all their holidays from ever other “Pagan” religion before them, to make it easier to convert people.
Where is your proof? I heard this argument a hundred times only to find that there is no solid historical evidence for this…
3. MOST HYPOCRITICAL PEOPLE I HAVE EVER MEET IN MY LIFE
Logical fallacy: Straw man argument.
4. more recent, in America while settling the west. Forced native american’s to speak only English and forced them to cut the hair, and force feed them Christianity.
Non-sequitur…
5. even more recent, played 3 card Monty with child molesters and acted as if nothing happened. Only to let them lose on new innocent victims.
Yes this is a despicable scandal in the Catholic Church. It must be addressed and denounced with steadfast commitment. However the reporting on this issue has been greatly exaggerated and the press largely ignores secular organizations where similar situations have happen with the recent exception of the Penn State Scandal.
Moreover, most cases reported were not little children but teens (12 -18 years old) and most of the abusers were also having adult homosexual relationships. Although this does not make it any more palatable it does points to a homosexual problem among the accused and convicted clergy.
Report Post »Caleb-Texas
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 3:51pm6. Rake in millions of dollars and by saying “Give to the church and your prayers will be answered”(something to that effect)
I challenge you to find which organizations are the largest contributors to charity in the world.
7. The Arrogance of “My faith is the only correct faith” BS attitude.
To assert a factual statement with charity is not arrogance. If you can’t assert a logical statement as valid truth through logic and reason then you must discard 2,000 years of Hellenistic tradition from Socrates to Descartes.
Report Post »ConservativeCanucklehead
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 5:48pmRe: so-called “Lie #1″ … I’ve seen no evidence that Christians are disproportionately stupid. I’ve also never heard Atheists (who probably constitute less than 10% of the population) declare that Christians believe what they believe because they are stupid. So this seems like a made-up lie.
For whatever it’s worth, I’d say most Atheists believe Christians are simply deluded, suffering from delusional thinking, brought on by childhood/adolescent indoctrination or later by some emotional trauma or stresses.
Report Post »Once “in” the faith, their identity is wrapped up in the delusion and the social network is essentially limited to those who share the same malady … so they’re stuck. Their brains have to be “switched off” to preserve their circle of friends and their personal identity. But that doesn’t mean they are intrinsically any less intelligent than the Atheist population, it just means they are not free to think new thoughts. Christians are trapped … socially, psychologically, emotionally.
Bruce P.
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 6:00pmIt is an easy straw-man to fight. I don’t disagree with the premise but the premise itself is meaningless. It is not addressing a specific criticism but is a generalized straw-man of all atheists.
I suspect the book is a long-winded straw-man argument.
Report Post »Verceofreason
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 6:38pmI know of no one who has ever called christians stupid.
Report Post »That IS a false argument.
What folks say, for instance, is that the catholic church’s attempt to return to middle ages teachings
and ignore the world as it is today is REALLY stupid.
brother_ed
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 6:59pm@VERCEOFREASON
So when someone says, “I can’t take anybody who believes in talking snakes seriously”, they are not calling them stupid? My neighbor has said that to me with crinkled eyebrows – the “you know what I mean” look.
I am respectful of people beliefs (or non-beliefs), and I understand the rancor that is felt when believers tell non-believers they are going to hell if they don‘t ’find Jesus’. But I will also say that many times on this website I have read terms like “eye-in-the-sky’ or some such when referring to deity. I consider belittling a form of insult similar being called stupid.
I’m not sure how the Catholic church wants to return the world to the middle-ages. I’m a Latter Day Saint, so I cannot speak for them, but it sounds like a silly statement you made.
@BRUCE P
I agree with you…pretty lame. To argue that there are smart and dumb people in ANY group seems to be a no-brainer.
Report Post »The_Bell
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 8:54pm@BruceP
Another liberal guessing what a book says rather than reading it.
Of course, rather than listening and discussing something intelligently you just spout the random nonsensical line.
Thinking is patriotic, BruceP… try it!
Report Post »ViewPointtt
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 8:58pmThe biggest and most malevolent lie is that Catholicism and Christianity are one and the same. Subsequently, the bloody baggage of Catholicism is routinely strapped on the backs of all Christians. No other was more severely persecuted by the Catholic Church. For 605 years, the Catholic Church diligently attempted to exterminate Christianity and executed an approximate 150 million Christians. Only after unprecedented bloodlust did the Catholic Church concede, relent and resort to plan B; to incorporate Christianity into its authority. If not for the bloody baggage of the Catholic Church, the harshest accusations, criticisms that could honestly be waged against Christians is that they over-advocate, and that they are not inline with the rest of the world… seen as terribly uncool… because Christianity forbids worldly, cool trends such as; promiscuity, drugs, tattoos, profanity etc.
Report Post »Mrs.M
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:19pmI think you have just called Christians stupid, but with different words. Call us delusional or impaired or stupid, bottom line is you believe we are not thinking this through. We are brainwashed. Think what you want, but at least do some homework. There are lots of books out there to read to explain Christianity and why we believe what we do and who Jesus is. Remember, this is a relgion that is two thousand years old and has changed the world more than you will ever know. That is a long time for a delusion to thrive, and an amazing outcome all over the world. And you are going to have to dismiss a whole lot of people in history who believe. You need to weed out all those of faith because they have been so influenced by this delusion. So instead of adopting someone elses view of Christianity, delve into the subject and you may be surprised. I would start with Lee Strobel. Easy to understand and he was an athiest. Worth a shot!
Report Post »dontbotherme
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:23pmConservative: If you have seen no evidence that atheists think Christians are are stupie for their beliefs, you haven’t bee paying attention.
ViewPointtt: I’m not sure where you got your information from concerning the number of people killed by the Catholic Church, but you are wrong. You may wish to reconsider your attacks against Catholicism. Tell me please, if you can, or choose to, how many innocent people the Muslims have murdered in time prior to the crusades to our current date.
Report Post »dontbotherme
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:43pmSigh….. my comment had an unfortunate misspelling: The word is : “stupid”. Oops.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:38pmThe Bell — I am not a liberal, first off. Don’t assume just because someone is not a fundamentalist Christian that they are a liberal.
Second…I am making an informed opinion BASED on exerts from the author’s own words regarding the work. It may be that I am wrong, however, judging from what he states in the article, I doubt it.
Report Post »shawnskey
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 11:00pmThe most trapped people are the secularists found in universities, they cannot think an original thought for fear of stigmatization by the materialists and the politically correct. THAT is indoctrination, and ehat they do to the students is even worse! The biggest myth is held by those that believe that everything came from nothing, especially the spontaneous generation of life from ooze. Noe that’s a whopper evolutionists have to swallow.
Report Post »ConservativeCanucklehead
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 12:20amBROTHER ED, MRS M, and DONT BOTHER ME
I probably should clarify … I was trying to be careful, but obviously didn’t make the point.
I did say that Christian people are not intrinsically any less intelligent than the Atheist population. Christians are so numerous in the US and Canada that they surely MUST be representative of the population generally.
That being said, the delusional thinking they have adopted, or into which they have been indoctrinated, certainly does cause them to believe some seriously stupid things. You’ve mentioned the talking snake already, and there’s the talking donkey of course, and the cosmic sex with the teenage virgin, the god-man who talks to himself then raised himself from the dead, and the list … well, it’s a very loooooong list.
But THAT is the nature of delusional thinking. It is the DEFINITION of delusional thinking:
“Delusions are irrational beliefs, held with a high level of conviction, that are highly resistant to change even when the delusional person is exposed to forms of proof that contradict the belief. Generally, in delusional disorder, these mistaken beliefs are organized into a consistent world-view that is logical other than being based on an improbable foundation.” – Encyclopedia of Mental Disorders
(I accidentally posted this elsewhere.)
Report Post »ViewPointtt
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 5:37amDontBotherMe,
Report Post »There are many historians, authors and former Catholic priests that have estimated the number of Christians killed by the Papacy during the Dark Ages… such as; Brownlee, Bourne, Brunch, Dowling, Lord, Montano, Peterson and Plaisted. Past historians, long past, put the number at 150 million… while more recent historians put it at 50-70 million. The millions continue to dwindle. David A. Plaisted concluded with, “In a generation or two, it may be commonly believed that hardly any persecution occurred during the Middle Ages, and the stage would be set for a repetition.”
You urged me to rethink my view without including a single compelling counter or defense? It seems that it is the number of millions, primarily, that you dispute and therefore concede that the Papacy, did in fact, execute multi-millions for nothing more than rejecting Catholicism and that the vast majority were Christians? As to your question about Islam: just as the Jesuits were created by the Papacy to do its dirty work, so was Islam created by the Papacy to do the dirty work deemed too dirty for the Jesuits. So, if you are attempting to suggest that Islam was worse, it does not redeem Catholicism because Islam, in my humble opinion, was spawned by the Papacy.
I was born into Catholicism… and there was a time when I also was offended by its historical truth. That aside, I apologize if I offended you.
loriann12
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 6:26am@ViewPointtt
Report Post »Well said. My ancestors were of the Waldensian Religion (I think they still have a chapter going) that sprang from Peter Waldo. They used to walk around with books of the bible sewn into their robes to distribute to the people, before Martin Luther said the people had a right to read the Bible for themselves. They were nearly exterminated by the Catholic church.
SquidVetOhio
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 8:44amSurely you realize that in your defense of athiests not calling us stupid ( which means you’re obviously new to the Blaze. It’s the athiests favorite past time on here) you proceeded to call us mentally deranged and psychotic.
Well, thanks for not calling us stupid. Good grief.
Let me reply in that I don’t think athiests are stupid, they are just in denial of affirming what they know to be true in their heart. There is a God that created them but aknowledging Him means accountability. It means that those sins you’ve committed are going to have to be answered for. It means you would have to repent from them but you love your sin ( as we all tend to ). What you guys don’t get is that a christian starts out in the same postition spiritually as an athiest. Dead in our sins and separated from God. The difference is, we repented and asked forgiveness by His Son’s death.
We will all kneel before Him and confess Him as Lord. Better to do it now in mercy than to do it later in judgement.
But, I wouldn’t say athiests are stupid. Just foolish.
Report Post »Irishtech
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:48amI’ve seen snakes talk to Harry Potter. I hope people who actually make arguments about talking snakes NEVER use metaphors when they talk.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 12:14pm@CONSERVATIVECANUCKLEHEAD
I understand your point.
You are saying we are not necessarily unintelligent, it’s just that we often believe in irrational things. In other words, we turn our brain off to swallow some seemingly ludicrous notions.
I neither have a problem with that assessment, nor am I insulted by it.
I will say this, I am not one to condemn a person to hell for not believing. I am happy to call you a friend – along with all the other atheists on this site.
Report Post »Caleb-Texas
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 3:57pm@ Viewpoint
My good friend do your bigotry against the Catholic Church blind you. Where you get the 150 million number? Did you know that there were about no more than 70 million inhabitants in Europe during the so-called Catholic Inquisition? How could 150 million people died during this time. Also don’t neglect the religious persecution against Catholic in Nordic Country not to mention England by protestants. According to historians Henningsen-Contreras the number of cases during the Spanish Inquisition was about 44,674 and the total number of executed people were about 826. The studied was published in the late 1970′s. Recent studies argued that the number is between 1,300 to 1,500 executions during this period.
Report Post »ConservativeCanucklehead
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 4:56pmGroovy Brother Ed.
Report Post »Tell me … what was it that caused you to become a Christian?
SonOfThunder
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 5:36pmHere is the problem with this article. The guy is a roman catholic and catholics with their idol worship of Mary and saints, indulgences( pay to get to heaven, pray dead folks into heaven from purgatory). By the way purgatory does not exist. The worship of the pope. The pope is not the holy father, God is. the pope is not the head of the church, Jesus is. The pope is not the vicar here on earth, the Holy Spirit. The idol worship of the wafer is blasphemy. I agree with Luther that the roman catholic church is anathema to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Report Post »I know all this being a catholic for 46 years, including 12 years of catholic school and altar boy. It is a false religion. Repent and put your trust in Jesus alone and you will be saved.
Ad101867
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 6:09pmHere’s the problem with this post: it misses the entire point of the article. Coren’s point is to draw attention to various attitudes that skeptics and atheists have toward Christians, and to refute some of the reasons given for those attitudes. The point _isn’t_ to debate Catholicism vs. Christianity.
And for the record, I happen to believe that Catholicism is a cult rather than genuine Christianity. That _doesn’t_ mean, however, that I dislike Coren as a thinker or communicator. I think he’s usually excellent (though I haven’t read his book).
Report Post »SonOfThunder
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 6:19pmCult it is for sure. I am just pointing out that Catholics are not Christians. And I like to see Catholics come to Christ and get the truth. This guy has no credentials speaking of Christianity like he is one.
Report Post »If you are a catholic reading this post run from the roman Cathocism and join a bible teaching church and read the Bible. You will discover you are being duped by your priests and pope.
Dudley Do-Right
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 6:34pmThe truth about Mary and Scripture
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUdYeYy3NQA
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 7:02pm@SONOFTHUNDER
Seriously?!? Another cult?!?
Report Post »Max jones
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:31pmSon of thunder……There is a mind numbingly huge construct, designed to hide the truth in a sea of lies, that has been built over centuries, and is finally a global structure. I know you see it for what it is, as do many, many people all over the world. It has been prophesied to be this way for the express purpose of exposing the evil one and to set the stage for the triumphant return of our Lord. All you baby-boomers out there, you are the generation of the fig tree and will SEE it happen.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:06am@Sonofthunder
“Cult it is for sure.”
Keep in mind that that “cult” is also the largest and longest-running Christian group in the entire world.
I don’t agree with a lot of Catholicism (which is why I’m not Catholic), but I would never call them a cult. Doing so is simply an attempt to insult other Christians – something Christ would never do. Every Christian worships Jesus a little differently; but they all believe in Him as their Savior. You would do well to remember that before you go about talking down to your fellow believers.
Report Post »MemphisViking
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 12:26pmI agree that Catholicism and Christianity are not the same. But the point of this book, and this article, is that the people making attacks on Christianity lump them together.
Report Post »Caleb-Texas
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 4:24pm@SonOfThunder
My dear friend,
Your comment reminded me of something Archbishop Fulton Sheen once said:
“There are not a hundred people in America who hate the Catholic Church. There are millions of people who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church — which is, of course, quite a different thing”.
First I suggest you to read the Catechism of the Catholic Church before you go around posting what you think Catholics belief without actually studying what they do believe.
Briefly we don’t worship Mary or the saint that is a sin. Only God is worthy of our worship. We pray for their interception because we all are part of the body of Christ and as St. Paul says in Romans 8:38-39:
For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor present things, nor future things, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Death cannot separate us from Christ Jesus…if we are one body do you think that in heaven we will not be able to pray to him?
Indulgences are not a pay ticket to heaven. Only the Grace of God can merit our salvation. We must cooperate with that grace!
Again, we do not worship the Pope. And what do you make of Mathew 16:18-19?
Report Post »Caleb-Texas
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 4:25pm@Sonofthunder
(Cont.)
Further more I invite you also to read John 6 and the early Christians, people like Ignatius of Antioch who was taught by the Apostle John and became the third Bishop of Antioch you will discover that they are very Catholic and believed in the Real Presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist.
One last thing also Luther believed in the Real Presence and prayed to Marry.
Report Post »docmd
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 5:20pmThe BIGGEST LIE is to denie and NOT BELIEVE IN __JESUS CHRIST__!!!!!!!! THE UNPARDENABLE SIN!!!
Report Post »Verceofreason
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 6:41pmYOU need counseling.
Report Post »That IS an ignorant post.
Jews, muslims, Buddhist, and a fer other Christian sects are precluded from worshipping Jesus.
Are you claiming – THEY don’t have rights?
YOU give christians a bad name. You’re a bigot.
brother_ed
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 7:02pm@VERCEOFREASON
Amen.
Report Post »Max jones
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:43pmVERCEOF RAISINS…Doc did not make that up. Don’t call him a fool. God said it… call God a fool, if you dare.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 11:02pmMAX — do you believe everything you read?
Report Post »Max jones
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 11:32pmI’ve been a Bible believer and scholar for 40 years. I have watched prophecy being fulfilled for all of that period. I have no doubt. Too much proof to dispute. It’s kind of like the affordable care act…you got to pass it before you can read and understand it. Get it? Good.
Report Post »I believe that my unbending faith will bring trouble down on me and may even cause me to be killed shortly. There are worse things that could happen to me, and unfortunately, many of you are going to find out what those are, first hand.
brother_ed
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 12:17pm@MAX JONES
I believe it was the CAPS and tone that caused the remark. It was at least what caused my “amen”.
Report Post »CrismaFire
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 5:15pmThere are two sides to Christians Gods and Satan‘s and if you don’t want Gods then you accept Satan’s.
Report Post »Ohello
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 4:48pmI’m ready for a Morman president we need some hope but especially some change.
Hitler was Jewish, Marx was Jewish, Hess was Jewish, Soros is Jewish, Maher is Jewish, Stewart is Jewish, Barney Frank is Jewish, Lieberman is Jewish, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz is Jewish, Alan Greenspan is Jewish, Ben Bernanke is Jewish, Henry Kissinger is Jewish, Ginsberg is Jewish.
Carter was Baptist, Clinton was whatever, Bush was Methodist, Kennedy was Catholic, Pelosi is Catholic but should be ex-communicated. Obama is Islamo/Marxist black liberation something or other.
Report Post »docmd
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 5:21pmOBOMER is a muslim.
Report Post »Reality_Bites_You_on_the_Ass
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 5:30amYou’re a bigot. Besides, I thought Obama had a pastor you all hated. I don’t know of many Muslims that have pastors. If you want to know why some people, atheist or not, think that some Christians are stupid, the answer is simple. People like you are the reason.
Report Post »The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 4:15pmThe comments have been derailed beyond belief. Someone step in already.
Report Post »stage9
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 4:45pmFirst, I just want to say THANK YOU to the Blaze for posting this article. It at least reveals to folks a small glimpse into the issues that concern Christians here in the States. That there is rhyme to our reason. We’re not just “prejudiced against people because they’re gay”. That’s pure nonsense. There are very real and compelling reasons why certain behaviors lead to a weakening of society and the liberties we cherish and there are those that strengthen it. Some have been time-tested while others a re social experiments doomed to fail.
Blaze writes: “This, too, is an issue that many conservatives — particularly Christians — claim is happening in the U.S.”
It’s not a claim; it’s a fact!
Yes, we are indoctrinating children, says New York h o m o s e x u a l magazine
http://www.queerty.com/can-we-please-just-start-admitting-that-we-do-actually-want-to-indoctrinate-kids-20110512/
Next goal for LGBT movement: Force adoptions of kids to transgender/ cross-dressing “parents”!
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/11d/hrc_adoption_push/index.html
On s e x issues in elementary school: “Goal is to reach kids before they absorb their parents values,” says school administrator!
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/11a/herald_sex-ed_032411.html
Support traditional marriage? ‘You’re d e a d’
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=317681
These are but FOUR examples of the threat to the family in America. There are hundreds of othe
Report Post »YellowFin
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 5:08pmThe “three lies about Christianity” are not lies as much as they are stupid opinions.
Report Post »A stupid opinion is born from people who do not think or bother to educate themselves.
paperpushermj
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 4:11pmHow about the untruth that Christendom started the Crusades.
Report Post »LibertyGoddess
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 4:51pmThe Crusades was started by some Christians, but not a tenet of Christianity.
Report Post »dontbotherme
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:01pmLiberty: The crusades were started in response to Muslim conquerors moving violently to separate Christians from Jerusalem, and, to stop the Muslim destruction of holy & historical artifacts….
Report Post »apu123
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 11:48pmThe Crusades were a reaction to the Muslims taking by armed force the holy land, which had previously been held by the Byzantines.
Report Post »Atrum Angelis
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 12:15pm@DONTBOTHERME
Report Post »Half true. The reason for the Crusades was Pope Urban II want to end the wars in Western Europe between the noblemen and lords that existed in the feudal system. The invasions in the East by the Muslims gave him a place to turn that fighting towards and a way of motivating the Christians of the West, which he did very well in his speech at the Council of Clermont. It was an attempt to solve two problems.
poetopoet
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 3:00pmAnd here is Islams.
This is what Soetoro/Obama thinks about the United States of America and We the People! He told America in advance what he planned to do; though few were listening to his diatribe narrative televised rant on “Meet the Press” Sunday’s 07 Sept. 2008 11:48:04, Meet the Press; when Senator Obama was asked about his dishonor of the American Flag. General Bill Ginn USAF (ret.) asked Obama to explain why he doesn’t follow protocol when the National Anthem is played.
Report Post »The General stated to Obama: “According to the United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171…During rendition of the national anthem, when the flag is displayed, all present (except those in uniform) are expected to stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart or at the very least, stand and face it!”
Senator Obama replied: “As I’ve said about the flag pin, I don’t want to be perceived as taking sides”. “There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression.“ ”The anthem itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all that sort of thing.” Obama rants on: “The National Anthem should be swapped for something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song (‘I’d like to teach the world to sing’). If that were our anthem, then, I might salute it. In my opinion, we should consider reinventing our National Anthem as well as redesign our Flag to better offer our enemies hope and l
The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 4:17pmThat sound bite is a gem. Wow…
Report Post »Verceofreason
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 6:55pmYou lost me at the 2 names thing.
So he had a father and a step father.
meh.
Report Post »Christpuncher
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 2:23pmObama never said all that stuff. That’s taken from a satirical column. You’re an idiot: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/stance.asp
Report Post »jelvin1130
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:55pmI think that there is an overwhelming agreement that there was a man named Jesus that lived at that time. What I don’t believe is that he was the son of any god or that he performed miracles. Those stories, like the virgin birth and being born on December 25th, correspond to many other Mesopotamian myths that were conceived hundreds or thousands of years before year 0.
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 4:13pmAnd that is your right as a citizen of the U.S.A …
Your allowed to believe in any faith or none at all…
with no threat of persecution.
Just please remember a Christian told you that once
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 4:18pmYou put your finger on the crux of the idea.. “BELIEVE ”. You are free to or not, but Belief by its definition operates outside then need for proof.
Report Post »Do you believe Love exist? Prove it!
Elena2010
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 4:18pmGod IS so much greater than we can ever imagine.. Think of Jesus as God the Son rather than Son of God. The Son is very much part of Who the Father is, yet distinct in what He does. The Holy Spirit, also part of Who God is, has yet another function. That is what Christians call Trinity.
Since Jesus is both God and man, He does move physics aside to heal and to dispel the darkness of soul present since what we call the Fall – our first bad choice.
Utopians think that by being good, they can get back to where we were before the Fall. However Jews & Christians know that we can only go forward in faith, trying to mirror the good of God. Since we cannot achieve absolute good, we must let God fill in the gap. In Jesus, He does just that — fills in the gap betw the Divine and humanity.
Report Post »PutMoreOnMyPlate
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 5:29pmYou may believe what you want to believe but arm yourself with knowledge so that you know what you believe and are true to those beliefs. Religion is tradition created by man for guidance and support for their beliefs. Christianity is a relationship with Christ. Dates and figures don’t dictate Christianity. No one knows when Christ was accurately born but evidence from the Bible indicates the summer. Don’t base your beliefs on religions, just look to your heart. People make mistakes <3
Report Post »4XGrace
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:53pmYou totally lost me at “Hitler wasn’t a Christian”. I was willing to read past the part about the author being Catholic just for the sake of curiosity. However it is a well known fact that truly Catholics are Cathloics and not Christians. So maybe it‘s true that Hitler wasn’t a Christian because he was a Catholic; a good Catholic who, with the blessings of the then reigning Pope murdered Jews and Faithful, non-institutional Christians that were filled with the Holy Spirit (and not the abomination of the Pentacosta “other spirit of deception”). If the Catholic church excommunicated Hitler they could rightly claim that he wasn’t one of theirs. But we all know that the Babylonish whore didn’t. Sure there were individual Catholics who by conscience harbored and protected Jews and even went to death because of them; but the church did nothing in it’s authoritative capacity to speak out against or attempt to prevent the slaughter of Jews.
Report Post »Warpspeedpetey
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 3:06pmCatholics are Christians. We were the first Christians. All other Christians trace their ancestry back to us. Read the Patristic Fathers, those generations that were the disciples of the Apostles, those people who formed the faith.
Report Post »Hova
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 3:32pmNuh-uh! My religion, Jupostalostism, is the one true religion as revealed to me by The Silver Fathers of the Golden Ocean Of Enlightenmentaliterature! Shut up and listen to me! I’m right!
/religious arguments in a nutshell
Report Post »PutMoreOnMyPlate
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 5:32pmChristian: no one knows what that means anymore when Hitler claims to be one, when Obama claims to be one, when anyone claims to be one but isn’t true to their own heart. We need to stop worrying about what others believe and look inside ourselves. No one beat Christianity into me so why would I beat it into anyone else?
Report Post »4XGrace
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 5:52pmParasitic what?!?!
Report Post »Forget your Catholic indoctrinations!
When someone asks you what you are what do you say? Christian or Catholic?
Those two are mutually exclusive terms.
The Christian believes in salvation by grace through faith (the faith the God gives through the Holy Spirit), not of works and certainly not by Baptism (sprinkling, dunking or whatever) and not by membership in any organization built by man in the name of God. Whereas the Catholic church is by definition a cult because according to the laws, decrees and cannons of that Babylonish whore you cannot be saved outside of her, you have to work for your salvation inside of her and you’re dammed to hell without her.
Peter never showed up in Rome. Paul was in Rome. The Catholic church didn’t come into existence until 300 years after Christ. There is more of a connection between the Catholic church and the pagan pope that ruled in the Pantheon that is now St. Peter’s than there is to Christ.
hillbillyinny
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 6:21pm@ 4X–and I‘m not sure it’s Grace you have four times, rather 4X the hate!
Boy, I’ve met Catholic haters in my life, both in my first twenty-five years or so when I was an evangelical protestant (saved as a child through faith in the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross), and in the past forty years as a Believer practicing the Roman Catholic Rite.
I’m not sure, but if you didn’t write the Chick anti-Catholic publications, you sure are well versed in their intent!
Yes, over history there are perversions that appear in the humans of every church, even the holier-than-thou “Savid by faith not works” Bible thumpers! But over time The Son of God, Jesus has been with “the Church” through His Holy Spirit, and has perserved the doctrine of faith through many trials and tribulations of the humans involved.
You hatred however, is not Godly, and therefore I reject your lack of love!
Won’t many be surprised when we of Faith get to heaven and realize that, “In my Father’s house are many mansions, if it were not so I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for YOU.” John 14:2 KJV–emphasis mine).
Faith is the controlling word here, practice is less important to God: “For I desire mercy and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.” Hosea 6:6 and Matthew 9:13 KJV.
Good reference re. Catholicism (beyond the 1994/97 Catechism of the Catholic Church), JESUS AND THE JEWISH ROOTS OF THE EUCHARIST by Brant Pitre. Read it and under
Report Post »goofyfoot
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:19pm@warpspeed
Report Post »Adam and Eve were the first Christians, having walked and talked with Him in the Garden of Eden.
4XGrace
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:42pmHillbilly you assume hate for Catholics where none is. I hate with a passion the corruption promulgated by the Catholic church and their triwsted defenders. So many read the the perverted writings of the so called church fathers and all sorts of sick traditions which have. Otho g whatsoever to do with Biblical Christianity. Christ denied the traditions of man. The traditions of the Catholic church directly deny Christ and his completed work of redemption on the cross. They think that by sacrificing Christ over and over agin on the altar of their mass that they will dispense the grace that they control in their coffers. But I guess you can‘t answer facts with facts because you don’t have any to refute the truth of the Catholic curruption. So you have attack the messenger. Read the Bible (yes the KJV) and learn at the feet of Christ. Ask God for wisdom and he will give it to you.
Report Post »Max jones
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 11:17pm4XGRACE..Sunday service is the first clue as to the depth of the deceit of the roman church, there are many more examples. Catholic families, as a rule, don’t read the bible, pray to dead humans, rely on fallible men,(popes and priests) make a mockery of Christ’s resurrection with Easter (ISHTAR) worship. Most Protestants have assumed some if not all of these characteristics. None of these things I mentioned are scriptural, but are still important doctrine in the roman church. Traditions of men make void the Word of God.
Report Post »Warpspeedpetey
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 12:26am@4XGrace
Patristic Fathers. Those are the men who were the disciples of the Apostles. Polycarp, Justin Martyr, Tertullian, Augustine, Cyprian, Clement, Basil and many more. These men knew and followed the Apostles, they lived and dies, suffered and preached. It is they that form the link between us and the Christians of antiquity.
While we could certainly argue the theological principles you state. The history of Christianity and the claims you make, the proof is in the pudding. Protestants have had 500 years to show that they are right. Thousands of denominations later, the fruit of Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide is a theological Tower of Babel where people of faith hold contradictory opinions on the same subject. Personal interpretation of the Bible has been a complete failure.
Report Post »Warpspeedpetey
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 12:33amNo skin off my nose. I was raised as protestant for a number of years, I was an atheist as a teen and when G-d called me back I studied until I was satisfied that Catholicism was the authentic Christianity. Roman because my family is mostly Roman Catholic and has been for centuries. My wife is a Baptist from deep in the Ozarks and her preacher has told her that she could divorce me because I am Catholic. I have seen the depth of protestant dislike for Catholics both as a child and as an adult. Nearing my 40th year I recognize that there are forces at work against all the faithful. Either we will hang together or we will surely hang apart.
Report Post »4XGrace
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 12:54amMax Jones you just don’t get it do you. It’s not up to man to prove the truth of his belief in God. God has done it all for us. If we pursue the wisdom of man we are counted but fools. God’s Word, perfect, without error and infallible is with us in the Enlish language as the Authorized Version. Protestants, Catholics, Baptist and every other shade of Christianity is an abomination to God. Bible believing Christians don’t need the organizations of men to worship God. All man can do is pollute and corrupt God’s Word. He promised that he would preserve his Word here on earth. The Catholic church only tries to corrupt it and make it void by all their attempts to bring to fruit newer and “better” translations. Nothing they do is for God. It’s all for their own glory and amassing of riches; aside from filling the bowels of hell.
Report Post »Max jones
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:19am4XGRACE….either you misunderstood me or there is a parallel universe somewhere….Actually I agree with most all you wrote, if not all. peace, between us anyway.
Report Post »4XGrace
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 11:25amMax Jones … Sorry :-$ I was aiming for Warpspeed whatever.
Report Post »Caleb-Texas
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 4:40pm@ 4xGrace:
Setting aside your assessment that “Catholic are Catholics and not Christians”, which I will not address…simply because of how outrageous it is…
I will like to consider a note that the Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, Isaac Herzog, sent the Pope a personal message of thanks on February 28, 1944, in which he said:
“The people of Israel will never forget what His Holiness and his illustrious delegates, inspired by the eternal principles of religion which form the very foundations of true civilization, are doing for us unfortunate brothers and sisters in the most tragic hour of our history, which is living proof of divine Providence in this world.”
And a quote from Albert Einstein:
“Only the Catholic Church protested against the Hitlerian onslaught on liberty. Up till then I had not been interested in the Church, but today I feel a great admiration for the Church, which alone has had the courage to struggle for spiritual truth and moral liberty.”
The Chief Rabbi of Rome, Israel Zolli, also made a statement of thanks:
“What the Vatican did will be indelibly and eternally engraved in our hearts. . . . Priests and even high prelates did things that will forever be an honor to Catholicism.”
Your comments are base on historical ignorance due to deep seeded bigotry against the Catholic Church.
Report Post »joboww
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 10:18pm4x
seems rather unfortunate that you have such a dislike for Christs Bride (oh shes a whore, you tell that to him when you get around to it)
just one for you:
If the writings of Paul, James Peter Matthew and such can be infallible then who makes that determination, especially then there were disagreements in the early church?
(hint: 16“But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED. 17“If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. 18“Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven…..
now is this church invisible, in which case our Blessed Lord was merely rambling? Perhaps your church? Perhaps the Mormons? Or just maybe the church build on Peter who has the keys to loose and bind and to whom it was promised that the gates of hell would not prevail.
By the way Itruely admire your zeal, but logic is needed. To you Mr. Chesterton wrote: “If thy
HEAD offend thee, cut it off; for it is better, not merely to enter the Kingdom of Heaven as a child, but to enter it as an imbecile, rather than with your whole intellect to be cast into hell–or into Hanwell.
@Hova: keep trying, drawing stick figures into in arguement neither disproves nor proves anything
Report Post »PutMoreOnMyPlate
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:50pmChrist’s sacrifice was to redeem all of us whatever our backgrounds and paths we take. The battle is within ourselves and not each other. Religion is tailored by man for everyone and as long as any religion regardless of denomination puts God at the head and not just someone that looks good on TV and preaches the Word and not general lifeskills. <3
Report Post »666Sucks
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:52pmI am US Army retired, but grew up in Oshawa Ont Canada from 69 to 76, when Canada was a cross between the US and England. I went back and lived in Canada from 99 – 04 but escaped after I realized how Socialist Canada had become. Although we maintain a house in Toronto, we now live in SOCAL. Don’t anyone be fooled, the only part of the US that Canada now resembles is, Dearborn Michigan!
Report Post »Pray for USA
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:49pmThanks, Blaze, for including the video. And thanks, too, for reminding me that I haven’t bought his book yet.
Report Post »LibertyGoddess
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:44pmI find it interesting that Evangelists, Protestants and Catholics don’t like being lied about, but do the same to their Mormon neighbors. I say we all just keep it to ourselves, speak kindly to one another and allow one another the privilege of worshiping the way we want to and judge one another based on our character and fruits. As far as “Babylon” (the world), they will never understand people of faith, nor do they want to. Speak kindly to them and influence them with love…you may be able to save a few, if any. As for the Athiest, they are harmless. They are good people trying to find their way in life and more likely to keep balance with those who are religious zealots and ruin it for everyone.
Report Post »Max jones
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:57pmliberty goddess….. read the chapter of JUDE…right before the book of Revelation……just who do you think Jude was referencing? People who change or add to the scriptures….PERIOD. Beware.
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:44pmI was watching an episode of Real Housewives of NYC. Carole Radziwell, die hard Liberal, Princess has no problem in having multiple relationships while her “boyfriend” is out on the road nor does she care if he has any sexual encounters. She was talking to some guy and he was speaking in conservatives tones and she panicked and asked him “are you Republican”. So Carole, aren’t we a little bit judgmental?
Face liberals and some atheist have no moral codes.
I do disagree with him on two counts. Abortion is MURDER and should be against the law and the law in VA using the wand for an ultrasound is justified. Tell me what is the difference: Woman goes in for abortion gets vacuum wand placed in the VJJ and the baby is sucked out – why is that NOT RAPE, but if you place a wand in the VJJ to take a picture of the baby before an abortion it is RAPE. They are either both RAPE or neither are RAPE.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:55pm@cofe
Wait, did you just use a reality show to prove a point?
You do realize that reality is more fake, then fake TV?
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 3:48pmCOFE — are you actually confusing a reality show for reality?
Your rape analogy is a poor one; no different than saying all sex is rape. As using a vacuum is a necessary part of the procedure, it is therefore welcomed by the patient. However, the transvaginal ultrasound is not necessary and the results it seeks can be performed by far-less intrusive methods. However, it is FORCED on the patient not by the best judgement of medical professionals but politicians.
Report Post »The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 4:21pmWhat’s sad about reality shows is that the amoral buffoons and script are written to appeal to average Americans like us. And they work. My neighbors flick it on when they lounge around and want to turn their brains off. They laugh at it, of course, but a while ago we would have been mystified by their wanton behavior. Sigh…It’s all our fault sadly.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 7:18pmMeant to say ,“reality TV is more fake then fake TV”
As the person above me wrote.
Those shows are scripted and edited beyond reason for entertainment.
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:39pmIt’s all about belief in Christ. That’s it. The rest… churches, denominational rules, etc, blah, blah, blah… is irrelevant, pompous, bloviation. Blessed be Christ The Lord.
Report Post »PutMoreOnMyPlate
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 5:35pmAmen!
Report Post »Verceofreason
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 6:44pmYOU give Christians a bad name.
Report Post »Ahd what should we do about the billions of non-Jesus worshippers on this planet.
What, pray tell, is to be done with this heathens?
Max jones
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 12:07amVoice of raisins….You still don”t get it….If you don’t have the ears to hear(discernment) you can‘t respond to the master’s call. That is all Christians can say about all the others… sad ain’t it. Evangelicals and missionaries have been teaching the language of God for a couple thousand years, now. Many are called, but few are chosen. You will take offense that only a few are chosen, just like fascists, nazi types and other jealous, envious killers get offended to know that the JEWS were also “chosen”by God to be His people.
Report Post »I suppose, to answer your question as to what happens to the budhists and muslims and the other poor folks…they’ll have some(short) time, here, to learn, and 1000 years in spiritual body to figure it out.
In the end, it comes down to the capacity of the individuals’ mortal soul to as what reality each attains. Simple, no?
Meyvn
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 8:31am@Verceofreason: We could start with instruction in proper grammar.
Report Post »Verceofreason
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 10:08amWhen one is reduced to attacking typing mistakes they’ve lost their argument.
Report Post »MemphisViking
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 12:52pmVerce, what makes you think we have to DO anything about the billions of non-Jesus worshippers? We’re only told to spread the Gospel. We just have to tell them about Jesus. It’s between them and God whether they do anything with that knowledge.
Report Post »Someone Smart
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:29pmHey I’m from Canada, in the city of Toronto. I agree with this British immigrant on much of what he has said. But not everything, he was wrong to say “Although we are similar to the U.S., we have a very strong European culture here”. Actually we are most similar to the US, but, at the same time, we have somewhat of our own distinctly unique culture. Or maybe, you could say there is no such thing as a consistant “Canadian culture” that can be be defined. The culture in Quebec is drastically different from the rest of the country, and I guess you can say with certainty that the qoute I disputed has some truth when it comes to Quebec, the people of which are skitzophrenic as in the sense that they want to leave our country, but then decide not to, they would like to identify more with French people from France, the people of which loath the Quebec culture and shun it, so I’ve heard. I don’t have a problem with the Quebec people though, I have respect for them. The east coast past Quebec is mostly small towns. While in the central area, which we call the west, it’s much more like the South in the US, it is where most of our country’re country music stars come from, for example. BC is more like California. While Ontario has our largest city, where I live, Toronto, which is Canada’ most-American like big city. Although much of my city has many Liberals, keep in mind that my city and province gave Harper a majority. Also, northern Ontario is more like the west coast.
Report Post »pdw
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:29pmHitler killed Christians and Jews alike as he knew he could not control people if they could go to their God for help in times of need not the government. People love to find ways to make their point by finding something or anything even one word to make their point while leaving out all the other facts that do not agree with their desires or thought process. Makes great wording but the truth is always the truth no matter how we try to twist them to fit our world. Why do you think they want to destroy Religion, so we will only seek our government for everything. Where else will we go if there is no religion or something to believe in besides the government? Gods people have always been told to teach their children how to become independent by learning how to support themselves and their family. They say they would be worse than the lazy or worldly people [infidels] because they were taught how and need to teach their own how to make a living.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:18pmEven though I may be an atheist, I agree with some of Mr. Cohen’s points.
“The Belief That Christians Are Stupid & Atheists Are Clever” — Sure. Ignorance knows no particular belief. That someone does not share your beliefs does not make them “stupid.”
“The Notion That Jesus Didn’t Exist” — I personally think that arguing against his existence is pointless. So, perhaps he did exist (this does not mean I think he was divine, however.)
“3) The allegation that Christians have been on the wrong side of history — Hitler was a Christian…all such nonsense,” Coren proclaims. “National socialism is completely contrary to Christianity…[it's] vehemently anti-Christian.”
Here is where Mr. Cohen and I will disagree. Not in that Christians have been (or haven’t) been on the wrong side of history (though that they are not without sin…). Rather, if Christians are going to claim that atheism is responsible for the crimes of Communism, then it would hold true that Christians are responsible for the crimes of Nazism (though I reject both notions).
Report Post »WhiteFang
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:29pmWe do not want to make the mistake of confusing the differences between Christendom and Christianity.
Christendom has brought upon themselves the wrath of many people due to their lies and human philosophies that run against God’s Word.
Genuine Christianity on the other hand is alive and well due to accurate understanding of what the Bible really says.
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Warpspeedpetey
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 3:01pm@Bruce
Hitler was not a Christians. He states in Mein Kampf that he uses propaganda. All his public statements concerning Christianity are propaganda and he admits as much in the Table Talks. In public he did what was politically expedient, in private he was held to common atheist doctrines.
Report Post »Dano.50
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 3:11pmBruce P.
I‘m afraid there’s a big difference between a “Christian” Hitler being evil, and Atheism playing a big part in the evils of Communism.
Hitler wasn’t big on running around justifying his actions with “God is on my side,” and even if he did, all it takes is someone with a half a brain to say, “This nut ain’t following not teaching teachings of Christ I ever heard about.”
Where as Communist atheists actively destroy religion and any disagreeing get tossed in the gulags with everybody else who doesn’t cowtow.
Mr. Coren’s book “Why Catholics are Right” also debunks that “Hitler’s Pope” myth. Even the picture on Cornwell’s infamous book was a lie, taken in 1927 before Pacelli was even elected pope. The soldiers saluting are of the Weimar Republic army and the ceremony was in honor of President Hindenburg.
And by the way, Pacelli made over 40 speeches condemning Nazism long before Hitler came to power in ‘33 and while I couldn’t find the passage, if I remember right, after the war the Jews gave the Pope a special award for all them he had saved.
And yes I have that door knob Cornwell’s book as well as Mr. Coren’s.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 3:49pmWHITEFANG — that is an excellent distinction.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 4:06pmWARPSPEEDPETEY — several points. Historians dispute the reliability of “Table Talk.” However, in “Table Talk,” while Hitler supposedly makes anti-Christian comments, he does not make atheist comments. There is a difference. Goebbels described Hitler as “deeply religious, but anti-Christian.”
And regardless of Hitler’s personal views on religion, the ranks of the Nazis were filled with Christians. Many churches followed his beliefs (of course, those who didn’t were persecuted; as do all dictators against threats to their power).
Also…you are making my point for me. You admit that Hitler used Christianity as a means to an end to achieve his goals. However, you do not blame Christianity. Yet, while Communists did the same with atheism, you do not provide atheism the same pass, rather instead you blame atheists.
Why does one get a pass and the other not?
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 4:14pmDANO — atheism is incidental to Communism. It did not inform their persecution of religion. Rather, it was the potential threat to the state represented by religion. It has nothing to do with the promotion of atheism for the sake of atheism…just has tyrannical regimes throughout history have used religious beliefs, not for the sake of that religion, but as a tool to enforce their will. Consider how Christianity was used in the past. Consider Saudi Arabia and Iran in the modern era.
The behavior of the Communists was not based on atheism, but indicative of every tyrannical regime, rather religious or secular.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 7:13pm@BRUCE P.
Good assessment.
Happy Independence Day, my friend!
Report Post »Warpspeedpetey
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 9:36pm@Bruce
These things sound atheistic to me.
“…Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things.”
“When understanding of the universe has become widespread… Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity…. Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity…. And that’s why someday its structure will collapse…”
and so on…
I do not blame Christianity because Hitler was not a Christian. He kept the average foot soldier in the dark.
“Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it’s in the name of Bolshevism…. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea.”
On the other hand, Communists were atheists. The suppression of religion is the key aspect of Marxist-Leninism. Stalin and Mao led atheists to willingly and knowingly commit genocide in the name of atheism as defined by Marxist-Leninism.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:35pmWARPSPEEDPETEY — it is very easy to quote-mine to show Hitler was an atheist (though your quotes do not show that, in the least. They show someone who was anti-Christian) but to do so would be intellectually dishonest in the face of contradictory statements from the man himself and those close to him.
Consider the intellectual contradiction you make in the next three statements…
“I do not blame Christianity because Hitler was not a Christian. He kept the average foot soldier in the dark.
“Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it’s in the name of Bolshevism…. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea.”
On the other hand, Communists were atheists. The suppression of religion is the key aspect of Marxist-Leninism. Stalin and Mao led atheists to willingly and knowingly commit genocide in the name of atheism as defined by Marxist-Leninism.”
According to you, hat Hitler used Christianity to dupe his populace, and that Christians found rationalized their religion and state in order to follow along willingly is excusable, Christianity is not to blame. However, that atheism was used by Communist states to achieve the same goals is the fault of atheism. Both were incidental to the true goals of both political forms. Yet one gets a pass. Why is that?
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:47pmConsider to your last statement, that atheism is a key aspect of Marxist-Leninism. It is inarguable that Communists embraced atheism, though not out of any true sense of religiosity, but rather to further their goals. How is this any different than what you claim of Hitler; that he cynically used Christianity, not out of any sense of religiosity, but to further his goals?
What is the difference?
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:58pmActually…I know the answer…
You are Christian…therefore Christians are blameless.
Atheists are the enemy…therefore they are responsible.
Report Post »ConservativeCanucklehead
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 11:51pmBROTHER ED, MRS M, and DONT BOTHER ME
Report Post »I probably should clarify … I was trying to be careful, but obviously didn’t make the point.
I did say that Christian people are not intrinsically any less intelligent than the Atheist population. Christians are so numerous in the US and Canada that they surely MUST be representative of the population generally.
That being said, the delusional thinking they have adopted, or into which they have been indoctrinated, certainly does cause them to believe some seriously stupid things. You’ve mentioned the talking snake already, and there’s the talking donkey of course, and the cosmic sex with the teenage virgin, the god-man who talks to himself then raised himself from the dead, and the list … well, it’s a very loooooong list.
But THAT is the nature of delusional thinking. It is the DEFINITION of delusional thinking:
“Delusions are irrational beliefs, held with a high level of conviction, that are highly resistant to change even when the delusional person is exposed to forms of proof that contradict the belief. Generally, in delusional disorder, these mistaken beliefs are organized into a consistent world-view that is logical other than being based on an improbable foundation.” – Encyclopedia of Mental Disorders
Warpspeedpetey
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 7:33pm@Bruce
You use the public quotes of a man who admits they are propaganda. I use his private statements. Big difference.
While there were German Christians that were duped by propaganda into accepting the filthy antisemitism of the Nazis, the SS that operated the concentration camps was very anti religious.
On the other hand Stalin and Mao had no need of duping atheists into betraying what they believed to be correct morals. As atheists continually point out they do not believe that there is an objective morality or at least a divine version.
Christians were duped, atheists were encouraged. That makes all the difference in the world.
I don’t understand why you are fighting it. A cursory review will easily demonstrate that atheism correlates very highly with death by genocide.
Report Post »WhiteFang
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:11pmI have the number one lie surrounding Christendom own teaching:
Lie: God is a triune god and/or Jesus is God.
Carefully consider John 3:16
Report Post »LibertyGoddess
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:32pmBingo.
Report Post »HeisIAM
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:49pmCarefully consider John 1, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God, He was with God in the beginning”. One God, in three parts. Confusing? yes, Lie? no
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:51pmTriune. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit work as one.
Report Post »ltemp
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:55pm@Whitefang
Report Post »This is true a trinity God is not biblical however, it is true there is one God the Father who has given all things to His Son and only through his Son do we share eternity and the Father. God the Father is the only living God and gives to the Son whom gives to those who believe.
WhiteFang
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:56pmWe do not want to respond to this matter before we actually do real research as to how John 1:1 is translated from Greek to English. Research!
Report Post »HeisIAM
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 3:08pmSorry WhiteFang, nice try, Greek does not have indefinite articles at its disposal, so the word “a” does not translate.
Report Post »HeisIAM
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 3:13pmJohn 1:1 in the original Greek:
en arch hn o logoV kai o logoV hn proV ton qeon
kai qeoV hn o logoV
John 1:1 literally translated from the above:
in beginning was the word and the word was with the god
and god was the word
someone has been lying to you, now you get to research…
Report Post »WhiteFang
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 3:16pmJohn 20:17 – Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. KJV
Does Jesus’ own word indicate he is God the Father?
If he was part of a triune God would not he just say so outspokenly? He never did say he was equal to his Father.
1 Cor. 8:6 – But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Report Post »WhiteFang
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 3:31pmHeisiam,
The entire Bible contradicts the idea that “the Word” is God the Father, Jehovah. However if John 1:1 is rendered “In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.” then it harmonises with the rest of the Holy Scriptures and the entire book of John.
John 1:14, 18
if you do not want to accept it, then fine, have it your way.
Report Post »HeisIAM
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 3:38pmI am sorry that you felt the need to change the subject, just like the JWs have changed the wording of the translations to meet their Jesus is not God arguement. Jesus told Peter “I am”, he told Caiaphas “I am” he told the Pharisees “I am” and because of this the Sadducees and Pharisees picked up stones to kill him. They could not have had him Crucified for Blasphemy if they understood him to say that he was godlike or just the son of God. If I need to spell it out for you, when Caiaphas asked him if he was the Messiah, he said “Jahovah” which both answers the question and proclaims himself to be God. This is why Caiaphas tore his clothes, Jesus proclaimed himself to be God in the Temple!
Report Post »WhiteFang
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 3:45pmWhat if I say “I AM”, does that mean I am God?
Report Post »HeisIAM
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 4:20pmis that really where you want to go with that? I think you really do want to know the answers you are asking about God. Step away from your church or any other church for that matter and really ask those questions to God, just between you and He, bring God’s answers back into the church, the “Word” if you will.
Report Post »YellowFin
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 4:46pmWhitefang – you said; Carefully consider John 3:16
It says: For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. – KJV
Jesus is quite clear on the matter. Jesus is God’s Son. Jehovah is his God and Father.
Psalms 83:18 – KJV
Seems simple enough to understand.
Report Post »ltemp
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 5:58pm@ Whitefang
Report Post »You know when ever you dare to mention that the trinity is a false doctrine you’ll get this kind of response. I understand what you are saying and I concur. Now explain to them the truth about the Sabbath or the state of the dead. (good luck)this is a uphill battle.
WhiteFang
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 6:24pmltemp – Now explain to them the truth about the Sabbath or the state of the dead. (good luck) this is a uphill battle.
I agree, sometimes I wonder why I even bother referring to the Bible. Most do not want to consider its worth, they prefer to accept what their religion or “preacher” says over what Jesus himself clearly said.
Report Post »Max jones
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:31amI think the easiest explanation of the triune deity was recorded by John Lennon, titled” I, me, mine”
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 8:36am@YellowFin: Don’t forget the Holy Spirit, it’s all we have at this juncture.
Report Post »GaltLine
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 1:53pmGood article. Great author.
We Capitalists have the same problem. What are the three greatest lies about Capitalists?
1. We have no morals.
2. We take from others to enrich ourselves.
3. We have no concern for the “greater good.”
First, we are the most moral people in the marketplace. We do not expect something for nothing. We believe in private property rights. Yes there are good and bad Capitalists, but there is no such thing as a good or moral Marxist. Their whole philosophy is built on theft from those who have to give to whomever the people in power want to give it to, including themselves.
Second, we Capitalists trade in the marketplace with others who are free to trade with what they have. We do not coerce by force, regulation, or taxes. We recognize everyone as consumers who can do with their scarce resources as they see fit. We know every resource has alternative uses and that if a price is to high there are always better alternatives to go after.
Third, we Capitalists believe in individuals making their own decisions about what they will conserve, We elect representatives to our liking to make decisions for the common good. We do not countenance mob rule or occupiers who pretend they speak for the common good, but are accountable to no one, especially the electorate.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:08pmFunny, the EXACT same things are said about atheists. Isn’t it weird how the exact same rhetoric by everyone to describe everyone else?
Report Post »GaltLine
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:14pm@ Bruce P
Except 2 and 3, unless you’re equating atheist as exactly the same as Marxist.
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:52pmHere is the biggest difference: Marxist say what can the people do for ME. Christians say what can I do for the people. If you are the former than the latter, then you have no morals.
Report Post »MAProg
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 4:06pm@Galtline: False
-While individual capitalists may be moral people, the system itself lacks any moral framework beyond maximizing profits. This is why consumer protection is needed. Marxism, ideologically speaking, is a moral system because it seeks to ensure that everyone has access to food and shelter, among other resources. @Cofemale: incorrect. Marxism isn’t about “ME.” It’s about everyone. Capitalism is about “me.”
-Youre second point is a straw man. It’s false to imply that everyone engaged in the capitalist system is in such an arrangement voluntarily. We’re not all willing partners, exchanging goods. The truth is, the system relies on an underclass to produce goods, who have little leverage in that game over the capitalists. Secondly, they aren’t in the system voluntarily. Well, they Do have a choice, but the other option is to opt out and starve to death, so it’s not really a choice. Your view of capitalism being a benign market of willing voluntary exchange is naive.
Lastly, you’re confusing capitalism with liberal democracy (a Republic, if you want to get specific). Communism and a repiblican form of government are not mutually exclusive.
Report Post »GaltLine
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:18am@ Maprog
My point exactly. There are only individuals, whether Capitalists, Socialists, Fascists, or Communists. Let the Socialists, Fascists, or Communists pretend they are a “collective.” But they are really only individuals, sometimes when banded together having all the qualities of a mob, at other times possessing all the qualities of a prison camp, but just a bunch of individuals nonetheless.
There is nothing benign about Capitalism. It is “Realville.” Its proponents don’t describe its very nature as “the invisible hand” for nothing. Pretend it is naive at your own peril, for its invisible hand will rise and smack you silly.
Our form of Republican government does not allow for the mob, for collectivist policies, etc. because we believe in natural law and especially in private property rights. Everything I possess whether it be an idea, hours available to work, an inheritance, skills, education, will, influence, etc. is not yours. It is mine to dispose of as I will. Communists in our government play along and lie to us about their reverence for the Constitution, Liberty, Freedom, and the like. What they are really pushing for though is their demise. Communism is antithetical to the Republican form of government.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 1:49pmNo one ever said that National Socialism was Christianity.
National Socialism is a political ideology, not a religion.
People just say that Hitler and his army were Christians….because they were.
To dispute these things is to dispute their own words, actions, oaths, treatise and other historical facts.
It’s a similar mistake that religion makes to North Korea.
They say things like, “well what about all of the suffering and starvation under the Atheist regime in North Korea?
Kim Il-sung(died in 1994) is still called “The Great Leader” and he is designated in their Constitution as “The Eternal President.”
When Kim Jong Il was born, it reported that the mountains rumbled, and the birds sang. It is said he had 11 holes in one during his first game of golf.
Do these sound like atheists to you? Do these sound like people who refuse to accept the silly notion of supernatural claims and the afterlife? No. This is exactly what you would expect from religion.
Polluting minds
Claiming knowledge from revelation instead of evidence.
Also it‘s no surprise that it’s a Catholic who says, ” “Most of the attacks [on] Christianity are about one three-letter word and that‘s ’sex.’”
Everything is about sex to the Catholics, just ask their Priests, it’s all they talk about.
How many times did we hear Santorum talk about gay marriage and contraception? It’s Catholics who have an unhealthy obsession with sex.
Report Post »ZBP
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:02pmHmmm…Hitlers actions…Christian? Hardly. Did you know he was practically pagan.
Report Post »GaltLine
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:04pmSantorum, when endlessly asked questions about gays, etc. did answer “reporters” questions. But then he tried to get back on message. It wasn’t his fault the Obama media machine had only gay rights on their mind.
If Kim Jong Il was a Marxist, Maoist, etc. he was by definition an atheist. Just because vestiges of Korea‘s ancient belief systems broke through doesn’t mean he believed in a god of any type, other than himself.
And, thank God for revelation.
Report Post »EricAZ
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:05pmThe main reason Santorium talked about sex was because that was what the media was asking him! Why do put words into his mouth without seeing why he was talking about those subjects?
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:11pmDid you actually read any of his words?
I love Christianity, I really do.
They look at how “mellow” they are now(arguable but they aren’t as bad as Islam) and then think that it was always like that.
No, Christianity was once just as horrendous as Islam, they just didn’t have 21st century technology to expose their evil, and advanced weaponry to prove how peaceful they were.
Report Post »SerikFox
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:21pmSo if I call myself an atheist, and go become a murderous dictator then all atheists are bad? Same logic you use. Go brush up on your reading comprehension skills as well; when he said “national socialism” he never said it was a religion; he said the ideology is contrary to the Christian religion. And if you wanted examples of atheist leaders, you have Mao and Stalin; each of which is responsible for even more deaths than the nazis.
In short, learn logic, learn reading comprehension, and learn history.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:24pmHere come the Santorum defenders.
If he didn’t have such crazy views, reporters would not feel the need to ask him about it. Plus there are times during speeches when he just starts rambling about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBTLnO7FQM8
He also feel he has the right to tell other Christians what is “not okay.” Didn’t he say not too long ago that Protestants were no longer Christians?
“If Kim Jong Il was a Marxist, Maoist, etc. he was by definition an atheist. Just because vestiges of Korea‘s ancient belief systems broke through doesn’t mean he believed in a god of any type, other than himself.”
Marxism isn’t a religion, neither is Maiost. Both of those guys believed they were more than men. Don’t you get the point? They can’t very well be atheists if they “believe” in things that don’t exist. Your statement is just illogical.
“And, thank God for revelation.” Exactly my point. Yay revelation, boo evidence. Right?
“Why do put words into his mouth without seeing why he was talking about those subjects?”
To say that the only times Santorum talked about sex is when he was asked about it is disingenuous. As I said above, if he didn’t have such extreme views on it, he wouldn’t continually get asked about it.
There is a reason why the establishment Republicans didn’t want Santorum to win. He had NO chance in the general election.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:34pm@Seri
“. Go brush up on your reading comprehension skills as well; when he said “national socialism” he never said it was a religion; he said the ideology is contrary to the Christian religion. ”
Ironic that you say it’s me who needs to brush up on my reading comprehension skills. In fact, I was adding onto what he said. I said, “No one ever said that National Socialism was Christianity. National Socialism is a political ideology, not a religion.”
I never said that he said it was a religion. I was simply showing that you can be a Christian(religion) and be a national socialist(political/economic ideology). The way he was talking(maybe my interpretation was wrong) is that Hitler couldn’t have been a Christian because he was a national socialist.
You can be a Mormon(religion) and a socialist(political/economic ideology)
You can be a Muslim(religion) and be a capitalist(economic ideology)
You can be an Atheist(not a religion) and be a capitalist
You can be an Atheist and socialist, etc
Nice try on that one though.
“And if you wanted examples of atheist leaders, you have Mao and Stalin; each of which is responsible for even more deaths than the nazis.” They were evil guys? So what? They killed because they were murdering lunatics. They didn’t kill because they thought they would get some reward in the afterlife, or because their “Atheist God?” told them to. Your argument is flawed at best.
Report Post »GaltLine
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:41pmThe new normal is to call sin a right. So when a candidate holds an extremist view it is only because he did not buy the lie and call evil good.
Regarding revelation. It might be dead to you. But it is alive and well for others who have established the right conditions in their soul and spirit.
Report Post »dennisS
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:42pm“It’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifices for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?”….Adolf Hitler
“You’ll see the day, ten years from now, when Adolf Hitler will occupy precisely the same position in Germany that Jesus Christ has now.”….Reinhard Heydrich
Doesn’t sound very Christian to me. The PAST is written in stone, HISTORY is questionable in its accuracy. What you learned in your history classes should be questioned as to its authenticity.
Report Post »GaltLine
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:48pm@ ModerationIsBest
But can a Marxist be a Capitalist?
Paul Krugman tries to pass himself off as a Keynesian economist, hence some type of an off-shoot Capitalist, except with a heart. Nonetheless he is a Marxist, not a Capitalist.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:53pm@GALTLINE
You have yet to prove to me that “sin” exists.
What is sin to you?
Something bad? Do you alone define what is bad?
Something that is against your God’s word? Who interprets your God’s word? You? Your religious leaders? They are just men, who is to say that their interpretation isn’t wrong? If you view something as sin, and another Christian doesn’t, are they the wrong ones, are you the wrong one, are you both wrong? Surely both can’t be right, that’s evident, but both can be wrong. Who are you to say that other Christians are wrong? Who are you to say other religions are wrong? Who are you to say I’m wrong? What gives you the right to dictate what is and isn’t sin? Oh right, revelation.
What if there is something that seems good, but you believe is against your God’s word Do you automatically reject that as sin? Once it is completely clear to you that it is okay, do you then say, “oh, well we don’t have to believe that anymore.” or, “well, I mean we always kind of believed that. Look, here’s a Bible passage that I can generalize and try to interpret why what i”m saying now is correct.” or do you keep saying, “no it’s wrong.”
I can almost guarantee you, that someone in your lineage will accept things that you now call “sin.”
Reason will eventually win out over superstition.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:57pm@GALTLINE
What does that have to do with anything?
I’m confused as to your point? What does Paul Krugman have to do with anything?
Report Post »Ohello
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 4:43pmHitler was Jewish, Marx was Jewish, Hess was Jewish, Soros is Jewish, Maher is Jewish, Stewart is Jewish, Barney Frank is Jewish, Lieberman is Jewish, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz is Jewish, Alan Greenspan is Jewish, Ben Bernanke is Jewish, Henry Kissinger is Jewish, Ginsberg is Jewish.
Carter was Baptist, Clinton was whatever, Bush was Methodist, Kennedy was Catholic, Pelosi is Catholic but should be ex-communicated. Obama is Islamo/Marxist black liberation something or other.
I’m ready for a Morman president we need some hope but especially some change.
Report Post »Verceofreason
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 6:53pmSantorum was a loon.
Report Post »Glad he’s gone.
Max jones
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:07am@GALTLINE…You Get It!!! One of the few.
Report Post »@moderation is best….You should not get involved in conversation you do not have the capacity to comprehend. garbage in- garbage out….you know the drill.
ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 2:24am@MAX JONES
Great job providing quotes of mine and/or evidence to your claim that I “can’t comprehend” this conversation.
Typical run of the mill Blaze poster.
1. Make a claim
2. Provide no evidence
3. Assert it’s true.
Downright hilarious.
Report Post »dagny at the blaze
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 1:48pmWhat the atheists fail to grasp in their quest to have meaningless random sex with strangers is that when they abjure Christianity they are also dismissing the core of individuality and thus liberty. The state, by its very nature, is not interested in your freedom sexual or otherwise. It’s only the Judeo-Christian foundation that protects the individual. So in their effort to have no morals they condemn themselves to state oppression. Keep going down that track and Fluke‘s free birth control becomes China’s forced abortions.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:01pm@Dagny
Wait what? Did you even use you brain at all while typing this paragraph?
“What the atheists fail to grasp in their quest to have meaningless random sex with strangers is that when they abjure Christianity they are also dismissing the core of individuality and thus liberty” Who says because you’re an Atheist, you therefore go and have meaningless random sex with strangers? Please turn on your brain and see how illogical your conclusion is.
“The state, by its very nature, is not interested in your freedom sexual or otherwise. It’s only the Judeo-Christian foundation that protects the individual.” Huh? It is the Judeo-Christian “foundation” that tries to ban homosexuality, and put penalties on anal sex. You had David Barton, a well known Christian say, “……why don’t we regulate homosexuality?”
“So in their effort to have no morals they condemn themselves to state oppression. ” Again, you aren’t thinking here at all(no surprise I guess?) This comment makes no sense whatsoever.
Report Post »RealLiibertarian
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:15pmThe Abrahamic religions, Christianity, Judeism, and Muslim, are the very antithesis of freedom. For them, it is all about control, molding society to whatever their particular set of beliefs tells them is right. It matters not if you are a devotee of a different religion, they “know what is best for you and society” and will spare no effort to make that happen. Given their choices, no one would be free to have “meanilingless sex with strangers” or to even see movies, TV or games that offend their morality. And they spend a lot of time being offended.
Report Post »GaltLine
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 3:03pmI’m not sure moderation is best. The result is whenever a complication arises, whether contrived or not, the aggressor will demand compromise of principle by the other party in the dispute, while only offering to delay the total termination of the principle as a concession. There can be no win win in moderation.
Report Post »Verceofreason
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 6:58pmWe are please as punch that you know so much about what athiests think.
Report Post »I admit to being very liberal – that does mean I am either a marxist, a commie or on welfare.
I refer to this site as the Romper Room.
It reminds me as to why folks consider TeaPartiers so dumb. – They are.
Let the name calling begin!
Verceofreason
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 10:04amI had no idea athiests are looking for random sex.
Where do you get your ‘information’
Why do so many holy rollers get involved in these sex scandals? Yer funny!
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 1:38pmThe biggest lie told about Christianity is that it’s under such savage and sustained attack that it is in danger of being wiped out.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 1:55pmThey like to spout off and say, “over 80% of America defines themselves as Christians” but in the very next sentence when you point out bad things they do, the person will respond with, “Oh, well they’re not REAL Christians” or, “well I’m not THAT type of Christian.”
Give me a break.
Try using reason and logic for a change.
Report Post »bikerr
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 1:57pm@Lloyd Drako —You have been demoted to a “They”.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:05pmComplete hogwash.
80% of the people in this country profess to be Christian. On top of that, 92% believe in God of some sort. There are an estimated 450,000 Christian churches in this country (that averages to 9,000 per state). Christians are the largest political force in this country; that has almost complete control of one half of our duopoly.
Yet, when someone dares profess a belief different from your’s, you claim it is persecution.
When someone asks to enjoy the same freedoms and rights as you, you claim it is persecution.
When someone asks to be treated with the same respect you demand, you claim it is persecution.
When someone asks for the laws and Constitution to be upheld, you claim it is persecution.
If a bookstore or library carries a book you do not agree with, you claim it is persecution.
When two people want to live life as they see fit, with no affect on you whatsoever, you claim it is persecution.
When someone asks that your beliefs not be forced upon them, you claim you are the one being persecuted.
Yet, for all your persecution, you insist that everyone live life as YOU see fit, you have the ability to see your beliefs have the force of law. God forbid people different than you be given the opportunity to live a happy life as you do.
Report Post »Verceofreason
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 6:52pmVery true,
Report Post »Telling the holy rollers, OTHER folks DO NOT have to live by rules is
so threatening to their low self esteems and a reminder that god is NOT, necessarily, on their side.
MemphisViking
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 12:49pmBruce P. – When the entirety of the left, the media, Hollywood and pop culture, etc, constantly mock, ridicule, lie about, and belittle Christianity, we claim it’s persecution. Most of your post falls under that third category. For example, I know many Christians, but not one of them insists that everyone live life as WE see fit. I have yet to meet a Christian who wanted to force anyone to be a Christian. And you and Moderation both lack understanding as to what makes a real Christian.
Report Post »JesusChrist
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 1:34pmHogwash
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