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Authorities Identify Sikh Temple Shooter as Army Vet

UPDATE:

New details have just been released, including about how the shooter opened fire and hit an officer. Read them here.

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TheBlaze’s Jason Howerton contributed to this report.

  • Authorities identify assailant as Wade Michael Page, 40, ex-Army serviceman
  • Described by some as a “white supremacist” and “skinhead” with tattoos
  • FBI investigating shooting as act of “domestic terrorism”
  • Suspect may have “recently broke up with his girlfriend”
  • Three victims, including police officer, in hospital with serious injuries; seven, including gunman, dead
Authorities Identify Sikh Temple Shooter as Wade Michael Page

Mourners take part in a candle light vigil for the victims of the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin shooting in Milwaukee Sunday, Aug 5, 2012. (AP Photo/Jeffrey Phelps)

The details are still emerging from Sunday’s horrific shooting at a Sikh temple near Milwaukee, Wisconsin. After much speculation about the assailant, who killed six people before perishing in an exchange of gunfire with police, authorities claim that the man responsible is Wade Michael Page. The 40-year-old was an ex-Army serviceman out of Ft. Bragg in North Carolina.

(Related: Presser Reveals New Details About Victims & the Timeline of Sikh Temple Shooting (Plus: Police Seeing Unnamed Person of Interest)

Prior to being identified, the shooter was described by police as a white man in his 40s with a shaved or bald head and a number of tattoos. This information, teamed with biographical data, led authorities to classify the attack as an act of “domestic terrorism.” This essentially means that there was a probable political agenda attached to the crime. Considering these factors, the FBI is now leading the investigation.

ABC News has more about Page:

Page, 40, opened fire outside the temple before entering around 10:30 a.m. Sunday morning and killed six people. He served in the Army from April 1992 through October 1998. [...]

Though police have not given any details on the motive of the shooter, but Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms Special Agent Thomas Ahern said Page had tattoos that suggested he had ties to white supremacists.

“It is being investigated. And what his tattoos signified is being investigated. They are all pieces of a possible puzzle to learn what was his motive in carrying out such a horrific act,” Ahern said.

Authorities Identify Sikh Temple Shooter as Wade Michael Page

The man said to be Wade Michael Page (Photo Credit: MySpace/End Apathy)

Business Insider lists some of the other alleged facts that have been collected about the shooter:

  • Bloomberg reports that Page “discharged honorably from the Army in 1998 after six years of service” after serving from April 1992 through October 1998 as a sergeant and later a specialist, working as a Hawk missile system repairman before becoming a psychological operations specialist.
  • He was was stationed at Ft. Bliss in Texas and at Ft. Bragg in North Carolina while originally being from Colorado. Details about his discharge are not yet known.
  • The Southern Poverty Law Center, a group that has studied hate crimes for decades, reports that Page was “a frustrated neo-Nazi who had been the leader of a racist white-power band.” They have a picture but we have not confirmed it. Here is End Apathy’s MySpace page.

(Related: ‘Hate Breeds Hate’: Twitter Users Blame Michelle Bachmann for Attack on Sikh Temple)

Prior to Page’s identification, ABC News was already reporting that the man behind the attack was potentially a “white supremacist“ and a ”skinhead.” The suspect’s landlord also told the Greendale Patch that she believes the man had “just broken up with his girlfriend.” As of Monday morning, no details regarding a potential motive were released.

Page was a “frustrated neo-Nazi” who led a racist white supremacist band, the Southern Poverty Law Center said Monday.

Authorities Identify Sikh Temple Shooter as Wade Michael Page

Wade Michael Page (Photo Credit: Getty/Handout)

Mark Potok, a senior fellow at the nonprofit civil rights organization in Montgomery, Ala., said Page had been on the white-power music scene for more than a decade, playing in bands known as Definite Hate and End Apathy.

“The name of the band seems to reflect what he went out and actually did,” Potok said.

“There is a whole underworld of white supremacists music that is rarely seen or heard by the public,” Potok said, describing lyrics that talk about carrying out genocide against Jews and other minorities, he said.

Potok said there’s no research showing white supremacists hating Sikhs, indicating that Sunday’s attack was almost certainly an example of someone mistaking Sikhs for Muslims.

In a 2010 interview, Page told a white supremacist website that he joined the white-power music scene in 2000, when he left his native Colorado and started the band End Apathy in 2005.

He told the website his “inspiration was based on frustration that we have the potential to accomplish so much more as individuals and a society in whole,” according to the law center. He did not mention violence in the website interview.

End Apathy‘s biography on the band’s MySpace page said it was based in Nashville, N.C.

Authorities Identify Sikh Temple Shooter as Wade Michael Page

(Photo by Scott Olson/Getty Images)

Following the Sunday morning shooting, tactical units went through the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin and found four people dead inside and two outside, in addition to the shooter. As many as 30 people were also reportedly injured. The lone gunman was said to be wearing tactical equipment and was armed with one handgun. Victims are being treated at a local hospital.

Dr. Lee Biblo, the chief medical officer at Froedtert Hospital in Milwaukee, said they were able to treat three seriously wounded men in their level one trauma center. He said one of the victims had been shot multiple times in the face and extremities. Another had been shot in the abdomen and a third man suffered a gunshot wound in his neck.

Personal accounts from the horrific tragedy continued to pour in throughout Sunday night.

Authorities Identify Sikh Temple Shooter as Wade Michael Page

Bystanders stand outside the scene of a shooting inside The Sikh Temple in Oak Creek, Wis, Sunday, Aug. 5, 2012. (AP Photo/Jeffrey Phelps)

“He did not speak, he just began shooting,” said Harpreet Singh, relaying a description of the attack from the wife of his uncle, temple president Satwant Singh Kaleka who died in the attack.

Singh said Satpal Kaleka told him she was in the front room when the shooter walked in. She said the 6-foot-tall bald white man — who worshippers said they had never before seen at the temple — seemed like he had a purpose and knew where he was going.

Gurpreet Kaur, 24, of Oak Creek, said her mother and a group of about 14 other women were preparing a meal in the temple kitchen when the gunman entered and started firing. Kaur said her mother felt two bullets fly by her as the group fled to the pantry. Her mother suffered what Kaur thought was shrapnel wound in her foot.

“These are people I’ve grown up with,” she said. “They’re like aunts and uncles to me. To see our community to go through something like this is numbing.”

Authorities Identify Sikh Temple Shooter as Wade Michael Page

Police work outside the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin where at least one gunman stormed the mass and opened fire August, 5, 2012. (Photo by Scott Olson/Getty Images)

Kaur said she spent the afternoon serving as a translator between law enforcement and survivors at a nearby bowling alley. Police investigators kept witnesses inside the bowling alley’s basement into the evening.

“We don‘t even know who’s downstairs,” Ravi P. Singh, 25, of Greenfield, said after going to the bowling alley to see if he could get more information about what had happened.

One of the first officers to respond to frantic 911 calls seeking help was shot several times as he tended to a wounded victim, and was in critical condition along with two other victims Sunday night, authorities said. Police said the officer was expected to survive.

Late Sunday evening, the investigation appeared to move beyond the temple as police, federal agents and the county sheriff’s bomb squad swarmed a neighborhood in nearby Cudahy, evacuated several homes and searched a duplex. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agent Tom Ahern said warrants were being served at the home of the gunman.

Authorities Identify Sikh Temple Shooter as Wade Michael Page

(Photo by Scott Olson/Getty Images)

In the wake of the tragedy, fears over anti-Sikh sentiment are rising. Police in New York and Chicago issued statements saying they were giving Sikh temples in those cities additional attention as a precaution after the shooting, which also came two weeks after a gunman killed 12 people at movie theater in Colorado.

Valarie Kaur, who chronicled violence against Sikh Americans in the 2006 documentary “Divided We Fall,” was returning to her home in New Haven, Conn., after speaking at a White House conference Friday when she heard about the shootings.

Even though the gunman’s motives were a mystery Sunday, Kaur said the shootings reopened wounds in a community whose members have found themselves frequent targets of hate-based attacks since Sept. 11.

“We are experiencing it as a hate crime,” she said. “Every Sikh American today is hurting, grieving and afraid.”

 

 

The Sikh Coalition, the largest Sikh American civil rights organization in the U.S., recommended caution in speculating in the case, saying  it “remains clear that the story remains and evolving and fluid situation.”

“The Sikh Coalition’s thoughts and prayers are with the victims of the shooting, the Sikh community of Milwaukee, and the larger community of Wisconsin, which we know will stand with their Sikh neighbors with their support and prayers during this very trying time,” said Executive Director Sapreet Kaur in a statement.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) also released a statement explaining that American Muslims “stand with their Sikh brothers and sisters.”

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The tragedy comes less than a month after James Holmes, 23, opened fire at a movie theater in Aurora, Colo. during a midnight screening of “The Dark Knight Rises,” killing 12 and injuring dozens more. However, the term “domestic terrorism” was not applied in that shooting.

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  • LiveforFreedom
    Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:55am

    First of all the Sikh’s are here in Wisconsin, and Wisconsin is in America, so the Sikh Temple is therefore a American Sihk Temple!! On that said these Americans just like so may other Americans suffer when shootings happen! This is not a act of domestic terrorism! The Fort Hood, TX. shooting by Major Nidal Hasan was a Act of Domestic Terrorism!!!! This is just another sad shooting in a City in America period!! The truth will come out! American Sikhs are not American Muslims the difference between the two religions are clear I would hope to anyone that can read!! God Bless America!!!

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    • Disavowed 1
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 9:09am

      Here is your Ft. Hood shooter. wake up America….

      http://media.adamdodson.org/var/resizes/Useful-Info/Fort%20Hood%20Shooter.jpg?m=1295408000

      He was a participant in a DHS “think and do” Follow the links provided on that Thinking Anew report and stop being dummies.

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    • Disavowed 1
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 9:17am

      DHS link. http://media.adamdodson.org/index.php/Useful-Info/Fort-Hood-Shooter

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    • Kevin The Elder
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 9:23am

      I’m outraged that the press, including The Blaze here, is referring to this guy as an ex Army vet. Hell, he joined over 20 years ago and served six years. I was in over 50 years ago, but haven’t been referred to as an ex vet during all the ensuing years. Is it only when one commits a crime that the left can tie into an agenda. that the perp is ex Army vet?

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    • barber2
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 9:52am

      Kevin: That labeling fits into the White House’ agenda and their Lap Dog media will , of course, sell that agenda.

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    • SoloPocono
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 9:54am

      Unfortunately, Sikh’s are targeted because of their skin color, and the clothes they wear-even more than Muslims. Google it. There have been MANY Sikh targeted attacks, as well as Temple damage, (the Temple in New York was almost destroyed, and even the Hindu Temple was damaged)..shortly after 9/11. Unfortunately, people don’t realize that this is a COMPLETELY different religion-a mostly peaceful religion, but which has stood up to protect Hinduism from Islam MANY times!!

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    • Individualism
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 9:57am

      i have heard of a significant percentage of people like this in the military far greater percentage than of average people, but i also have heard of anti islam and other anti people rhetoric and teachings in the military. the only thing that should happen after the justice is maybe a check over the military for any dangerous teachings. We can’t have our military end up being indoctrinated like the Nazis or Communists otherwise were in trouble.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 10:00am

      Watch the media try to spin this as being committed by a conservative. They do it every time. Most likely, the shooter is some sort of white supremacy nut. You never see Tea Party folks allowing these Nazi wannabe jack asses, and the conservative talk show leaders hate these sorts, and do not support them

      How is it that they call this terrorism, but the Fort Hood shooting was workplace violence? I don’t get it.

      Notice that this guy served in the Army, but got out back in the mid nineties. I doubt he ever saw combat, but the media will really push the whole “Army Vet” thing.

      The Huff Po folks are already tying to blame Rush, Hannity, Beck, Bachmann….

      These mass shooting deals are a tragedy, but the media twists the truth. These type of murders make up a minute fraction of the nations murders. The media tries to hide the real stats on murder. Blacks in this country make up 12% of the population, but commit 50% of the nations murders. If blacks murdered at the same rate as white people, our murder rate would drop by 32%, and would make us have one of the lowest murder per capita rates in the world. Currently there are 35 nations with higher murder rates than us, and many of them have much stricter gun control than we have.

      Remember, that nation with the lowest murder rate is Switzerland. Every house has an assault rifle and ammunition.

      Some libs call for only police and military to have firearms. North Korea is set up that way.

      Keep it re

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    • kevin542
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 10:02am

      I agree.I was thinking the same thing as I was reading this…They always want to know why……I’ll tell you why…he was pissed at the Muslim Community….Its kind of one them what goes around comes around kind of thing..Dont get me wrong I’m not condoning it….but it is what it is…Now the freaking Media is going to have a field day with this along with that red headed freak in Colorado..

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    • Miami
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 10:02am

      Kevin The Elder

      Great point, where they should concentrate their focus is the fact that he was a “White Supremacist”not ex military. This criminal was full of hate to begin with.

      This is where Glenn is spot on, we need to release the hate and embrace the Lord

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 10:08am

      Must be experiencing a high volume this morning, so forgive me if this same message posts twice..There seems to be a correlation between war and these tragedies..These wars are designed to take us down as a Super Power..just like the Viet Nam type was engineered by the man behind Obama .Zbigniew Brzezinski the US National Security Advisor to Jimmy Carter. He trained a group of Freedom Fighters to what became Mujahadeem to cause trouble in the Kabul(Capital of Afghanistan) causing Russia to engage in her own Viet Nam style war which she could never win ..taking Russia down as a Super Power..and that is what is happening here with the US engaged in these permanent wars taking her down as a Super Power all geared to take us into the Zionist/Communist New World Order..brought to you by these people.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcSM4dNMCPk

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    • rose-ellen
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 10:14am

      americanism-such a peaceful religion!

       
    • TheMajority
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 10:17am

      How clear the differences between the mentioned Religion’s are, may depend on who wrote what you read. If it inspired you to insult your American neighbors, I would question it.

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    • midwesthippie
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 10:17am

      …INDI…when you are an American soldier positioned in the middle east by a FEDGOV dept. that has no intention of winning a war and you are subject to killing or being killed for extended periods of time the “teaching” is not necessary…hopefully all of our men and women in the military can come home with their mentality intact…

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    • mtcountrygrl
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 10:44am

      First of all he was a Nazi, look at his tatoos. Nazi’s are usually socialists. Not exactly conservative. White Supremacist are usually anarchists, not exactly conservative. So anyone who lets that narrative go anywhere is not a journalist and should not be considered a creditable news source. And given that he was a White Supremacist even following the “he thought they were Muslim” line of reporting is bad journalism. Sikh followers are almost exclusively from India and have dark brown skin and strong accents. Given he hates all non-white people that should be concidered his motive until actual evidence comes forward that he thought they are Muslims.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 10:55am

      Encinom

      It is not racism but facts.
      “Blacks in this country make up 12% of the population, but commit 50% of the nations murders. If blacks murdered at the same rate as white people, our murder rate would drop by 32%,”

      As to cause I do not blame genetics. I blame the people for whom you vote, the Democrats of all stripes from the KKK to the panderers.

      The economics & math did not add up for cities, state & companies with union pension liabilities. It does not add up for the nations welfare policies. As economics is applied psychology, you can’t induce people to not to work, while taxing others at ever higher rates and expect a good outcome.

      Fairness is hardwired in all primates if not all vertebrates. There is no way you can condition it out through political slogans or policies. You will only breed resentment & you will be held to account.

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    • mtcountrygrl
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 11:00am

      @RangerRP
      First of all, thank you for your service. I usually agree with things you post, but I have to point out an error in your previous post. Blacks do commit murder at the same rate as whites, when both come from intact families. The cause of crime in the black community is directly related to the single parent home (which is promoted by welfare programs). Blacks who come from two parent homes do not have higher rates of crime. Whites are just less likely to have broken homes, a statistic that is changing fast, then we will be right up there too. The family needs to be restored in this country, all of our problems go back to the destruction of the family unit.

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    • Clive
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 11:03am

      we have crazy people, we have open access to guns, we have drugs and alcohol.
      these things collide, and this stuff happens. its sad, but it could have been a church, or a synagogue, or whatever.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 11:05am

      The Bankster’ un Federal Reserve are behind the Zionist/Communist New World Order..but other countries have awakened….Bankers arrested in Iceland, Ireland,UK,Switzerland, India, France, Russia, Austria

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmOZ3jtGtCc&feature=player_embedded#!

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    • encinom
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 11:27am

      @Walkabout what do conservatives know about fairness, Romney’s plan will decrease taxes for the wealthy whiling increasing the tax burden for the middle class and cut their services and public sector jobs that created much of the middle class. What is fair about a rich capitalist, with foreign bank accounts, who may have a least a 10 year period where he paid no taxes and we know he has paid a lower percentage than the majority of Americans and is now running for President. The truth is its happy serfs that make up the tea ****** party, that are all to happy to protect the welfare for the rich at the expense of all others.

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    • Blazebanned
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 11:28am

      I think its ironc, that the right see’s this as a tragedy, yet the left sees it as an opportunity.This is not the work of terrorist of any kind,though what this psyco did could be considered terrorizing people.As long as obama is president,this type of reporting will continuw as they need to use ever criminal act out there to further thier agenda.The “guncontrol” freaks will be out in full force today,not to mourn the loss, but to celebrate a reason to hit at the 2nd amendment once again.Folks its past time to bury the commie left, once and for all……..

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    • Coz1957
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 11:29am

      Would his status as a terrorist have more to do with who he thought he was attacking? Maj Hasan has been rightly identified as a terrorist because his targets were gunned down in support of his Muslim ideology. Page – most likely – gunned these folks down for his ideology, in this case a version of American White Supremacy. It matters little that he and his cohorts are nuts, only that they believe that non-whites are subhuman and violate the beliefs of the white supremacist “religion”. You can’t have it both ways. Terrorist carry out mass murder to strike fear and to make statements. This guy fits that definition.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 11:32am

      encinom

      In typical lib fashion, you just hate the facts. Facts always seem to get in the way of liberal indoctrination.

      Here is the kicker. While blacks do make up 12% of the population, and do commit 50% of the murders in the U.S. Do you know who they are killing for the most part? The majority of their murder victims, are other black males. Black murder rates is not a “black” problem, it is an American problem. If we can lower the murder rate of black Americans, then we would greatly reduce the rate of black males getting murdered. Do you have something against lowering the rate of black people getting murdered?

      To lower that rate, we would have to look at why blacks are killing at a much higher rate than whites? I can tell you one thing, it is not genetic. Blacks are not more predisposition to killing, nor is there any such thing as an atavistic killer. If we want to lower the black murder rate, then we need to look at such topics as welfare, multicultural education in the public schools, violent rap music…..

      Encinom does not want these topics discussed, as he knows it would take away votes from the democrats. Encinom is perfectly willing to let black males to continue getting murdered at a genocidal rate, as long as the dems keep getting elected. When someone does bring up the facts, he jumps out front, yells “bigot”, “racist”, and other such comments to try to silence truth and facts.

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    • VoteBushIn12
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 11:37am

      @LIVEFORFREEDOM

      “This is not a act of domestic terrorism!”
      Why? Because he’s a white guy? Terrorism is terrorism and this is it.

      This is an act of terrorism. Americas were killed because some guy had an ideological opposition to their way of life. Because that guy was home-grown, we call it Domestic Terrorism.

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    • Independent4233
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 11:38am

      Kevin The Elder
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 9:23am
      “I’m outraged that the press, including The Blaze here, is referring to this guy as an ex Army vet. Hell, he joined over 20 years ago and served six years.”

      When the story first broke he was referred to as a “white supremacist,” as are all white shooters of past tragedies similar to this.

      How bitterly disappointed the radical leftist press is going to be if this guy DOESN’T turn out to be a “white supremacist,”…………….as if it really matters, because he’s just the usual, run-of-the-mill nutcase who probably is as delusional as Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, et al.

      Notice though how concentrated the press is on showing grief stricken relatives in this instance when only 4 people were killed, yet they didn’t show even one photo of the relatives of the 13 people who were killed by the Muslim at Ft. Hood and the dozens injured.

      If the shooter had been Muslim or black, it wouldn’t get even a fraction of this coverage.

      We need to abolish all media organs and start over with people who know how to do unbiased reporting.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 11:56am

      mtcountrygrl

      You are correct, but you are not pointing out an error. My stats just showed that blacks commit 50% of the nations murders, and they are only 12% of the population.

      Once again, to really discuss a fix, would mean discussing welfare, and dems are not about to let that happen. Dems are fine with blacks killing blacks via murder and abortion. Let us not forget that seven in ten blacks are now being born into single family homes.

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    • jorge_washington
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 11:57am

      “This is not a act of domestic terrorism! The Fort Hood, TX. shooting by Major Nidal Hasan was a Act of Domestic Terrorism!!!!”

      Of course, a American Palestinian kills white soldiers, it’s a hate crime/domestic terrorism but when a white racist kills Sikhs who he may have mistaken for muslims, then it’s not a hate crime or domestic terrorism just another guy going crazy. Funny thing how this white racist didn’t go cray in a dept store or fast food restaurant or the like.

      That’s neo-Christain republicans for you; hate.

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    • PeachyinGA
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 12:00pm

      @Kevin The Elder ~ my sentiments exactly. To label him as a vet when he was discharged 14 years ago, glosses over what he’s been doing with him life since then. If the anti-gun fanatics use this event to go after vets with guns, then they are even more desperate than I thought.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 12:01pm

      encinom

      @Walkabout what do conservatives know about fairness, Romney’s plan will decrease taxes for the wealthy whiling increasing the tax burden for the middle class and cut their services and public sector jobs that created much of the middle class
      ***
      Unless Romney get a bill passed thru Congress where rich people pay a lower tax rate, the rich will always pay more than the poor.

      Further it is the liberals/progressives that make it hard for the middle class. The policies of the left result in so much cost shifting that their are doughnut holes when it comes to education & health. The doughnut holes were not there before the libs started meddling.

      The libs doing the meddling are well represented by Harry Reid, who lives at the RITZ, Nancy Pelosi who is worth around 100 million and has non union staff at here restaurants & hotel, etc, etc, etc,

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 12:04pm

      encinom

      Go to fbi.gov

      Look at the Uniform Crime Report (UCR).

      Look at who is murdering whom.

      P.S. Do not do this at your work computer at media matters as you will get fired for showing ambition & potentially a mind of your own.

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    • rose-ellen
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 12:13pm

      Hasan did not act out of a muslim ideology but out of his becoming politicized by the US army[like mc veigh] he was in the belly of the beast exposed to hearing soldiers speak of their crimes committed against the people of iraq and afghanistan. he went public objecting to these unjust invasions ,occupations and war crimes being perpetrate by the military. The military retaliated against his outspokennes by sending him to afghanistan .Three days prior to being deplyed he retaliated against their retaliation by atracking the soldiers.hihe was not a sleeper cell but became politicized while in the army. You don’t have to be muslim to recognize that our invasion of iraq and our use of force against innocent iraqis and afghans is unjust and makes us war criminals.

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    • godlovinmom
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 12:26pm

      The shooter was white, the shooter was a nazi, the shooter was a white supremacist, the shooter was a domestic terrorist, the shooter was a MENTAL NUTCASE…the last one sums it up for me!.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 12:45pm

      rose-ellen

      You do realize that Hasan had contacted radical islamic folks, and while shooting shouted “Allahu Akbar”

      Kind of shoots your false theory full of holes.

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    • mtcountrygrl
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 12:47pm

      @ Jorge, Encino, Independent, Rose Ellen
      First of all he was a Nazi, look at his tatoos. Nazi’s are usually socialists. Not exactly conservative. White Supremacist who are not Nazis are usually anarchists, not exactly conservative. So anyone who lets that narrative go anywhere is not a journalist and should not be considered a creditable news source. And given that he was a White Supremacist even following the “he thought they were Muslim” line of reporting is bad journalism. Sikh followers are almost exclusively from India and have dark brown skin and strong accents. Given he hates all non-white people that should be concidered his motive until actual evidence comes forward that he thought they are Muslims. As for the “millitary” connection, also a false flag. His service was like 20 years ago and before the war on terror. He was a bad guy who did a bad thing. We should all be in prayer for these families, this could have been any house of worship that was not filled with who this idiot thought of as the “right” kind of people.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 12:59pm

      As far as his military service – he never went to combat, and he was booted from the military. he had a history of showing up to work drunk, and less than stellar performance. Once separated, it was put in his records that he could not serve again. If you check the stats, military combat vets have a lower violent crime rate, than those that did not serve.

      As far a gun control – the Huff Po crowd is already in a feeding frenzy, and ready to outlaw the “assault rifles”. Some facts- this dude did not use an “assault rifle”. Most years, “assault rifles” are used in less than 3% of the nation’s total murders. Switzerland has the lowest murder rate in the world and they have an assault rifle in every house. Chicago is having the highest murder rates in the nation, and they have some of the strictest gun control laws on the books. And if you run with the claims about all those accidental gun deaths, then you might be surprised to know that more people die from bee stings in the nation than from accidental gun deaths. Accidental gun deaths make up around one percent of accidental deaths per year.

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    • pudssweetie
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 1:08pm

      @Rose-Ellen,
      So according to you, we should just ignore the facts that Nadel Hassan admitted that he was of Muslim faith and yelled out Allah Akbar before he started shooting. You can keep twisting facts all you want Rose, but we know the truth.

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    • The_Cabrito_Goat
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 1:29pm

      Encinom’s posts about “equality” bring me to this often overlooked opus by Frederic Bastiat, “The Law”

      “Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.”

      - The Law by Frederic Bastiat

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    • Jaycen
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 2:10pm

      Sounds like the guy was a Nationalist Socialist Worker’s Party member.

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    • Jaycen
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 2:14pm

      @jorge_washington

      Oh how you’re stupid can be painful to others. Do you think the preface “neo” means “neo-Nazi”?

      Or do you even understand it means “new”?

      It’s most likely the crazy man who killed the Sikhs was a Nazi. National Socialist Worker’s Party. Sound familiar? They’re the guys on your side of the political spectrum, not mine.

      Have a nice day.

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    • Jaycen
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 2:16pm

      Once you get to Nazi, that pretty much ends the discussion regarding Right vs Left. Nazis (National Socialist Worker’s Party) are almost as far Left as one can get.

      Unfortunately, we get the Anarchists on the Right side of the spectrum. Luckily, you guys get the really horrible monsters, the Communists and the Nazis.

      Whew. That’s just nutty.

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    • Marine25
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 2:44pm

      @RangerP
      White Supremacist? Nazi wanna-be? Doesn’t get any more conservative than that.
      If liberals have to own tree-spiking radical environmentalists, conservatives have to own reactionary racists like this guy.

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    • tuchux
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 3:04pm

      Thank you i am glad you pointed that out.

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    • Recceman90
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 3:10pm

      @Marine25

      What don’t you understand that Nazi is National Socialist Party? I typed slow, so hopefully you can understand it! Socialists ARE Leftists!

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    • antrancher
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 3:14pm

      INDIVIDUALISM, you can look to our Muslim in Chief for that. The military hates him.

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    • godlovinmom
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 3:18pm

      MARINE25…umm No we don’t have to.

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    • Steve J
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 3:37pm

      Went to see Batman with my Son. I had 2 of my pals with me. I wonder how they will report it if I take out a Tango or two?. God forbid if he/they are of color, you pick which. Red, blue , black, green.
      I guess I’ll be new George Zimm. And you know they will want stronger gun laws to add to the ten thousand we have already. Never mind if you save 10-20 lives.
      From my cold dead hands.
      PS. New rule. Always carry 2, and only bring friends who carry 2 and only thier friends who carry 2.
      Makes sense..LOL

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    • rangerp
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 4:11pm

      Marine25

      You might want to study facts and history. Nazi folks are far left socialist. As a matter of fact, Hitler and Stalin had a pact. They both basically wanted the same things, they just went at it from a different angle/.

      You will notice the libs have no problem defending the likes of Bill Ayers. Ayers is a communist revolutionary that wanted to kill millions of American capitalists. Obama declared his run for the senat seat in Ayers house.

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    • stomata
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 5:05pm

      Sorry to disappoint or correct you BUT the Ft. Hood shooting was NOT domestic terrorism– that incident was simply classified as “workplace violence”. If you don’t agree with that assessment you will have to take it up with President Obama. He did not believe a known radical Muslim shouting“Allahu Akbar” prior to opening fire and executing 13 people was any clue the Shooter’s motive. It was just workplace violence according to DOD .

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    • warchief65
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 7:47pm

      Page , was in the Army , served from 1992 – 1998 , where he was discharged for being drunk on duty . Though he didn’t serve over seas , and didn’t see any combat , he is still a Vet .
      Now , he was a “ White power ” , and that’s why he shot the Sikh people . And , not being a mistake by thinking they were Muslim , they weren’t White , therefore , the reason for shooting them . What ABC said , was wrong .
      It you are trying to say that Romney didn’t pay any taxes for the last ten years , do you have any proof ? Or , like the LIAR Reid , heard it from a friend of a friend of a friend ? In other words , you are a liar . And , if your trying to say that , not making the rich to pay more taxes , is making more harder on the middle class , how so ? The rich already are paying more that you will ever pay in your lifetime in one year , how is it making it hard on the middle class ? Again , you are nothing but a LIAR . The same as Hussein , Pelosi , and Reid .

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 10:06pm

      It is tough living in such a rotted society under a Statist Jewish Apartheid.. I can certainly understand how someone can come apart at the seems.. This is not natural and it’s not right. To hell with multiculturalism and all of it’s supporters.. Every last one of them!

      MtGirl: Are you on crack? So blacks under two parent homes commit crime at the same rate as whites?? First of all that‘s bogus but I’d have to ask why do they not have 2 parent homes? Oh because of the welfare state forced upon them by liberals? lol So why don’t they have 2 parent homes in Africa? Please don’t make excuses for the criminals.

      For every 1 person this idiot murdered, blacks have slaughtered a thousand whites in just this year alone! Stop with the excuses.

      And all the reports about white supremacist?? One never hears about their Jewish ethnicity when they murder… Media bends over backwards to hide black homocides; yet they shout it from the mountatin top when it’s a white dude.. Interesting..

      Why all the hatred toward my race? It’s getting very old.. Can’t even watch TV any longer without some humilating racial scene in it.. Simply evil and disgusting! and we know who’s promoting it right?

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    • tzion
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 11:53pm

      @Tech
      Of course you’d express sympathy towards your fellow bigot. The fact he‘s a white supremacist is important because it explains the motive just as Obama’s sitting in Wright’s church for 20 years indicates a lot about his views. And you‘d better buy yourself a dictionary at some point because you clearly don’t understand what “apartheid” is. If there was a Jewish apartheid in this country, people would be taxed for not being Christians, almost every politician would be Jewish, and you’d probably be dead.

      As for the black problem you keep obsessing over, as true as it is that there are more black criminals and that they commit most of the crime, what percentage of blacks are criminals? 20%? 30? A criminal is someone who commits a crime. Skin color is irrelevant. Do you seriously think people like Clarence Thomas and Herman Cain are out to get you?

      What needs to happen is that we need to enforce the laws already on the books, ensure there’s adequate police forces to do so, and most importantly, get rid of all the judges who keep overturning death penalties on frivolous grounds. I just finished reading about one case where the guy was sentenced to death 30 years ago only to have his lawyer appeal it on frivolous grounds until a federal judge declared his sentence invalid because, he said, the jury MIGHT have misinterpreted the directions on the sentencing form because there weren’t enough words separating the words “unanimous” and “mitigating” on the fo

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    • survivorseed
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 3:47am

      Nazi skinheads are socialist democrat voters, now I’ve heard it all. I suppose with that logic the democratic peoples republic of Korea is all free speech and fair elections huh.

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 7:15am

      tzion: First of all, I have no problem with the Media pointing out his race or supposedly suprmeacist thoughts; however, don’t point it out in this case and conceal it with Columbine or many other instances in which the perpertrator/s was Jewish. And of course we all know that our Media certainly attempts to down play black crime today especially the ofen and common black on whiite crime which is rampant across the country.. Can you understand where I’m coming from Zion? Surely a request for a little equity is something you could appreciate right?

      Secondly you want to play with statiistics. Never seen the one you refer to but don’t really question it. The bigger picture is that blacks making up less than 15% of the US population commit almost 60% of the Violent crime in the US.. That‘s the stat which I’m most concerned with and I believe that it is growing.. Now Companies are forced to put warning labels on cig packs not because ONE cig causes cancer but because the liklihood of cancer increases with the more cigs one consumes.. Get the picture Zion? Surely even in your racist mind you can comprehend the problem… But let me make even simpler for you.. Would you feel more comfortable taking your wife and children out at night in a black neighborhood or rurual white??

      Think that if you are honest we know the answer to that.

      Finally 3rd para ok. Personally I’d prefer public executions be brought back.. We neeed Deterrents for Crimianls not 3 meals a day w/ TV!

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  • KICKILLEGALSOUT
    Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:54am

    I blame our government and our out of control immigration policies. People are getting tired of their neighborhoods getting overrun and turned into foreign countries. Foreigners are stealing our country from us legally and illegally because our leaders choose to do nothing about it and the American people have had enough. America for Americans, stop letting foreigners into this country it is tearing our society apart!

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    • Soundbyte
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:58am

      So going into a temple and shooting a bunch of people is a solution?

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    • 1217chic
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 9:01am

      Thumbs Up…..

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    • mike_trivisonno
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 9:04am

      The Sikh community is not a threat.

      They have been systematically ben made to appear as if they are muslim by the federal government, their propaganda experts in the State Department, and those in the media who spread the lies to the general population. They have succeeded in convincing most Americans that sikhs and muslims are the same.

      Now a PsyOp Officers “freaks out” and does “domestic terror” on a “people wearing turbans”?

      This is a staged event intended to cow and subdue the American citizens. Most likely at the behest of the House of Saud.

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    • SoloPocono
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 9:46am

      This Sikh Temple was built in 1997. Many of these Sikh‘s came over with Eastern Indians in the 50’s. So, when is the cut-off for when we start shooting “immigrants”?

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    • Joey8
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 10:05am

      @kick
      You forgot to sign your comment with “white power!”. You dont represent any sane person on here with your “keep foreigners out” garbage. You are embarassing.

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    • Calm Voice of Reason
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 10:38am

      @KickIllegalsOut: Spoons made me fat.

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    • mtcountrygrl
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 11:07am

      @Encino
      Kick is obvously a troll. So that you could post that all tea partiers are racist. Who said he was a tea party person? You are the only one. Why because it fits your narrative? Only racism I have seen has been from liberals towards the Jews. OWS is a big example of that. Tea party folks come from everywhere, all races and all nationalities. It has been my experience that folks who came here from oppressive nations (like Cuba) are the most VOCAL tea party members. As my Cuban friend said the other day “if America falls to collectivism, there is no where else for me to flee to”.

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    • barber2
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 11:17am

      ENCIN: And thank you for proving that the Left is AGAIN targeting the Tea Party just like 2012. Bad Obama poll numbers ? When you see the Communist Cuban newspapers writing about the “ ultraconservative North America Tea Party ” one can only wonder if this, like so many of Obama’s agenda items, isn’t just more of that international stuff – like the OWS, a Canadian anti-capitalist group. Pretty transparent, dude. The OWS found easy sanctuary in American cities controlled by DEMOCRATS. Coincidence ? Don’t think so ..you can forget the tin foil hat. The “Thinking cap” is more appropriate .

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    • HorseDancer
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 11:29am

      Babar2 . . .So you disagree that the Tea Party is ultra conservative?

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    • mtcountrygrl
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 12:10pm

      @Horse
      White Supremicists are not conservative. They are usually socialist or anarchists. Read a book.

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    • survivorseed
      Posted on August 7, 2012 at 4:02am

      MTcountrygrl. It doesn’t matter how many times you say it, it is still not going to be correct. You don’t need a book, just go over to stormfront and catch up with your buddies over there. They have a whole topic dedicated to tea party happenings and most support Ron Paul, who was a GOP member last time I checked. Not one speck of support but a lot of vitriol for the current administration, a lot like here.

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  • Blazebanned
    Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:51am

    This would be a non-story had it happened at a church or synagogue, with “white” people in them.And the guy was a skinhead because he had tatoo’s? Then i guess every male under the age of 40 is a white supremasist!. obama wants and needs his civil war, either race or class,he knows he cant “honestly” win the election, and he know we are watching for the dead to rise and vote for him.Lock and load people, civil war WILL come, there is no way he wont get it started…..

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  • nomoillegals
    Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:48am

    encinom Posted on August 6, 2012 at 7:58am
    “IS there a difference between the Tea ****** party and White Supremacist groups?” yadda, yadda, hate, hate, bull crap, bull crap……..
    OK barack, you had your fun, now put your pants on and go play some golf or say something else profoundly stupid that we can use to defeat you in November.

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    • MCDAVE
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 9:16am

      Since the Trevor Martin thing did not exactly meet qualifications as a white hate crime,Although they tried hard,Obama and the left stream media are now thrilled they have an event they can blame white people for,and further divide us and stir up hatred, or what ever else they thinks will get him re elected.I am sure they hope this guy was also a tea party member and a christian.

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  • spydrman669
    Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:47am

    I see all these comments to Encinom who is a troll. I also see that it’s comments are gone. They have been scrubbed from this article. GOOD FOR YOU BLAZE !!!, for getting rid of the hate filled propagandist from the left. I believe in free speech but Encinom is a hate monger and someone who is probably a plant for the progressive parties. Long live good honest debate.

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  • Disavowed 1
    Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:35am

    No worries, the FBI is taking over the investigation to serve their story to MSM for your public consumption..

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-helped-along-by-the-fbi.html?_r=1

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    • NancyBee
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 11:34am

      Good report..thanks

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    • CatB
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 1:25pm

      I watched last night as Obama’s minister of propaganda for NASA took credit for the Mars landing (which was started before Obama and was decades in the works if you want to get technical) I wonder if he also has a MINISTER in the FBI .. my guess would be yes .. and we will NOT get the straight story but a spin for the Obama reelection.

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  • Dismayed Veteran
    Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:34am

    The left will have fun with this tragedy. This person will be the poster boy for the left. If this guy thought he was killing muslims, he couldn’t be farther from the truth. Sikhs are bitter enemies with the muslims.

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    • Bruce P.
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:37am

      Seems like the right is having just as much fun.

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 9:00am

      “right”, “left’, “up”, “down” … in a dryer it’s ALL the same … hates direction is hell …

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 10:21am

      Bruce P.

      You are slipping Bruce. Your true colors are showing.

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  • Apple Bite
    Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:33am

    Let’s not jump the gun here, we all know we can trust MSM with anything they’ve doctored up…..

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  • daddycoolj
    Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:31am

    @ Encinom
    I feel for you and your hate filled heart. You are one of the ones the Bible speaks of when talking about the Last Days.
    2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
    2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
    2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
    2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
    2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
    2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
    2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

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    • encinom
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 10:43am

      What is the fetish with the end of days for you Conservative Christians, unable to live in the real world so you are pray for the death of your neighbors and everyone else.

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    • VanceUppercut
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 11:11am

      @daddycoolj

      Hey, I’ve got a bible verse for you: Deuteronomy 22:28-29 “If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.” If a man rapes your daughter, he has to pay you money and then marry her. The sanctity of marriage!

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    • encinom
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 11:30am

      @VanceUppercut
      So the fact that Rape and paying off the father is no longer considered an engagement, does that mean we have redefined what a biblical, traditional marriage is?

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    • rednckpreacher
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 3:15pm

      Vance The case you are refering too is a “Stautory rape case” Girls were not unchaperoned in town , a girl that was attacked in town was expected to scream and fight alerting her chaperone or any passerby. If no cry was made , then the law assumes she was an accomplice in the affair and her and her lover were punished by being forceably wed with no chance of divorce. If the assault was in the country side , where no one was able to rescue her, the rapist was stoned ! I have no problem at all with God’s law!

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  • Obamujahadeen
    Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:30am

    We‘re already being terrorized in tyranny when the country quivers every time some off the ranch nutjob left or right shoots up some church or movie theater as the ’this is the last straw, take the guns’ moment, because every time a gun goes off somewhere the left is crying for total complete citizen disarmament like the lemmings most of em are.

    And the more violent it gets the more mental they must be thinking when the real tyranny comes somehow “I voted dem” will get them a backstage pass and a flyover for the anarchy. They‘ll be the first ones ’offed’ since most will be totally unarmed..

    They’re useless to ANY regime, they just suck air & dough, so they‘ll be lined up before the sun goes down and the commie flag or Muhammad’s up the flag pole, while half that tribe are on the stripper pole and the other half on the Barney Pole. Then once that’s straightened out everyone else will be sent into state slavery and the rockpile

    Except for us who kept some weaponry available. We’ll be making the rules. ;)

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  • DeOppressoLiber
    Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:23am

    Scott read and research the links.

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  • DeOppressoLiber
    Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:22am

    Check out how well the authorities ID other organizations.

    http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2012/08/bringing-war-back-home-full-spectrum.html

    http://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/full-spectrum-operations-in-the-homeland-a-“vision”-of-the-future#comment-form

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  • Deibido
    Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:17am

    This will offer more excuses for more drones, more power, and more deletion of rights for Americans. The left loves this kind of trash… I can see the lefty salivating and ******* all over itself with more talking points to destroy America…Hey guy’s Obama is already doing that!

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  • Diane TX
    Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:16am

    Aww, the t r o l l s are still smarting from the 100′s of 1,000′s of Americans that gave the Demonazis a smack-down on August 1st. Funny, I haven’t heard anything more from the Demonazis Mayors.

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  • notoffended
    Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:16am

    Fort Bragg is in Fayetteville NC not California. I hope the guy doesn’t turn out to be a 23 year old Asian woman. It’s always a tragedy when these things happen, but I guess I’m happy that the police had gun to be able to stop this guy in his tracks. Doesn’t sound like they could talk him out of it.

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  • cloudsofwar
    Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:12am

    don‘t know how you confuse Sikh’s with taliban. it‘s not like the sikh temple dosen’t have a HUGH sign in front of their temple. the story reads like he was after someone he knew and found when he did start shooting. one witness said he passed them in the front of the temple with a look of purpose. looking for someone?

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  • sawbuck
    Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:10am

    Just great ..I heard other reports that he was also a army veteran,
    on top of being a white supremacist and a skinhead. What’s next..?

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    • sawbuck
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:20am

      Man I need another cup of coffee …
      I somehow went right past the first part of this story.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:24am

      The Oak Creek Police Chief just reported that he had been ‘discharged’ from the Army. But, no further details about his past. By this time we knew more about James Holmes. I am all for them clamming up getting the story correct first. Although labeling it domestic terrorism this quick serves no purpose considering the Ft Hood shooting is still a work place incident. I suppose that this administration and the DOJ feel that the military’s involvement in war time activities has to be work place related. Go figure.

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    • Countrygirl1362
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:26am

      He is going to be what ever the government wants him to be, so they can use it to get more control over the people.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 10:31am

      “Authorities identify assailant as Wade Michael Page, 40, ex-Army serviceman”

      18+6=24

      40-24=16

      Sorry for being so pedantic, but left in general & the media specifically has got to learn.
      What did this person do learn or work at the other 16 years?

      If the freaking MSM wants to mention the Army, then give us stats. Are people who have been in the military more likely, just as likely or less likely to commit crimes. If it is not the former, then there is no purpose in mentioning where he worked almost 2 decades ago.

      BTW where did he graduate high school? Should we investigate that?

      What did he have for dine on March 23, 1980? Given the MSM logic we could just as well blame that.

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  • Arminianism
    Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:07am

    So this is already labeled terrorism, but Fort Hood is still work place violence???

    OK got it….

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  • ThePostman
    Posted on August 6, 2012 at 7:55am

    An act of terrorism? Really?

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    • barber2
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 9:51am

      Jessie Jackson called the shooting in Colorado “ domestic terrorism ” when he made a guest appearance in Denver which seems even crazier. Holmes seemed looney not a terrorist. This is so PHONY. Just another Big Lie from the most devious administration in American history. It’s all about the “ change” that this Far Left administration’s agenda includes. Remember their motto : ” Never waste a crisis.“ This is all part of ” the plan.” Gun restrictions ? Campaigning ? Duh.

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  • nattybrooks
    Posted on August 6, 2012 at 7:53am

    skin head white supremecist tea party whats the diff right. when will they learn to use facts not conjecture. is this a case of PTSD? its time to shut down media speculation

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  • Southern Rebel
    Posted on August 6, 2012 at 7:53am

    Just seems odd to me that so many mass killings are happening at this time of year, just prior to a major election; the most important in US history. Call me a conspiracy theorist, I don’t care, but something just don’t seem right with any of this.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:14am

      ENCINOM, That is a tired old story that you keep repeating. Are you capable of putting any part of single thought process together and say anything meaningful?

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    • cloudsofwar
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:16am

      @ southern…your not alone.

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    • hillbillyinny
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:17am

      @ encinom

      Time to take your meds!

      You’ll see how “nuts” we are in November when we vote our consciences and start to bring sanity back to the U.S.!

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    • Edohiguma
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:22am

      Encinom, instead we get new bigotries and new religions. Like the hatred for Christians, the constant self-loathing of especially the white populace, white guilt, and the cult of global warming and similar Earth goddess type of ridiculous nonsense. Not really a move forward, but rather backwards.

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    • 70S_KIDS_FIGHTING_SOCIALISM
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:32am

      @encinom
      You are an admitted Homosexual therefore you are in one of the biggest hate filled racists groups. It is with liberals that racism has come out of. Especially between the liberal Jewish people of New york and Chicago. They were the absolute worst for using the “N” word post WW2. I remember it distinctly from the 70′s. I was there. The homosexual community is nothing more than a big bully group. They BULLY anybody whop disagrees with their agenda. They have planned and plotted to take over Churches and other Christian Organizations. That is pure evil. Christians do not attempt to take over Homosexual organizations and change their rules and beliefs. You being here just to agitate others you don’t believe with to start arguments is hate mongering. Your not having a conversation your just spewing hate trying start a fight.
      TEA PARTY UNTOUCHABLES!!!!!!!

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    • Bruce P.
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:36am

      SOUTHERN REBEL — you are experiencing a phenomenon called “confirmation bias”. You believe the election is the most important ever and that the Left is out to get everyone, therefore, you see noise as information that proves your beliefs.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

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    • Kevin The Elder
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:50am

      @encinom. I don‘t know if you’re just angry at We The People of the United States of America or simply a fellow traveler of the left. However, if you’re simply misinformed, let me try one time here. You may recall that when the people gathered throughout the land a couple of years ago and were dubbed as Tea Partiers, there were millions of them peacefully involved. What you don’t seem to realize is that for every one of them that were active, there were many, many millions more who for whatever reason, didn’t participate, yet passionately sympathized and associated themselves with the movement. Worse, for you, the vast majority of US haven’t budged in our passion; indeed, it was made stronger by the escalating acts of suppression the left has been imposing since Barack Obama’s election. If you want to refer to me and my family (and maybe your grandparents and cousins) in derogatory terms, it only shows your distain for the majority.

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    • NancyBee
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 12:00pm

      Southern …………….I agree

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  • Diane TX
    Posted on August 6, 2012 at 7:52am

    Wade Michael Page.
    “The 40-year-old was an active Army serviceman out of Ft. Bragg in California.”

    The Fort Bragg In CA has been closed since 1864, EIGHTEEN sixty-four. It was Fort Bragg in North Carolina where he was attached. There also some question whether he is “active” or retired.

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    • kickagrandma
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:09am

      Morning, Diane~~~

      Conveniently, it is NC (Ft. Bragg). Why do I say, “conveniently”?
      Because the dnc is scheduled for NC early next month…. See the connection? By bringing in NC, they (liberals, socialists, leftists, el presidente) can focus on “hate crimes” in military bases here AND have record numbers of “backers” (bought and paid for) on the scene. The dnc is terrified (TERRIFIED) that no one would show up for this convention: HENCE all the NEW (not) “free advertising”. People are not important to the socialists: only their agenda is. The think we are cannon fodder…….

      BTW, check out TEA PARTY billboards going up all over our state this week.
      And, wrong, mr.noman! WE THE PEOPLE bought and paid for these billboards. If there weren’t roads to put them on, GOD WOULD HANG THEM FROM THE HEAVENS!

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    • watashbuddyfriend
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:16am

      Dang, @ kickagrandma
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:09am

      Morning, Diane~~~

      “Conveniently, it is NC (Ft. Bragg)….”

      YOU be right on target!

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    • Bruce P.
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:39am

      KICKAGRANDMA — that is an insane leap of logic worthy of Olympic gold.

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    • pwatkins
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 9:26am

      Grandma, you may have something there mam. I am from NC and I know we have good people in NC, despite what Gov. Beverly Purdue would like to make us all appear to be bc we stand for traditional marriage.. If this guy was at Fort Bragg, he was only stationed in NC, not necessarily from NC, but it won’t be portrayed that way. Obama won in NC in 2008 mostly bc of voter fraud, but a lot of it was silenced by ACORN and the democrats.

      These acts of violence just seem to keep coming nearing election…strange indeed.

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    • HorseDancer
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 11:32am

      Get your conspiracies straight, ladies. You wouldn’t want a tragedy to go to waste.

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    • pudssweetie
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 12:33pm

      @Kickagrandma, here is the recent story in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. I live in WI and only about a 50 min drive from where the shooting occurred and after reading your post, and reading the article, I think you are on to something.

      http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/shooter-wade-page-was-army-vet-white-supremacist-856cn28-165123946.html

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 6:06pm

      Horsedancer – If you Marxists would stop committing all of these violent acts, then there wouldn’t be any so-called conspiracies against your kind. And it’s your group of people who hate our military, hate white people, hate Southerners, hate capitalists, hate Christians, and hate anybody who doesn’t agree with your leftist dogma.

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  • DEMOCRATS.ARE.EVIL
    Posted on August 6, 2012 at 7:42am

    What….no Tea Party connection? ABC falls back on the old “white supremacist” standby. Anybody with militia leanings, a wife, a son and a dog better watch their back…the FBI might be coming.

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 7:48am

      They will find some way to blame the Tea Party and those who support the 2nd amendment; watch for the administration via Congress and the Media to go like blazes now to get their anti-gun message out.

      Here is one danger though; this shooting may cause other extremist groups to seek retaliation on the churches and centers of faith of other people; and thus seek to start off a religous cycle of violence that Obama would love to have – for the sake of crashing down onto all of us with an iron fist once and for all.

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    • kickagrandma
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:12am

      @ encinom ~~~

      you are so predictable. Geesh! What a nimnal.

      Still praying for you anyway, “just in case” you want to answer that twinge in your heart.
      GOD BLESS!

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    • watashbuddyfriend
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:20am

      OK, @ kickagrandma
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:12am

      @ encinom ~~~

      “you are so predictable. Geesh! What a nimnal.

      Still praying for you anyway, “just in case” you want to answer that twinge in your heart.
      GOD BLESS!”

      Which heart? I suspect it is the one in the Right Lobe of the Soul!

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    • hillbillyinny
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:25am

      @ encinom

      You’ve OBVIOUSLY NEVER BEEN AT A TEA PARTY RALLY, or around those who support and believe as the members of this group believe!

      I believe you’re one of the “little people,” afraid to leave your home, sitting in your basement writing whatever you read on HuffPo or MMfA, and so proud to repeat that DRIVEL!

      Get out go to middle America and meet the real people of the United States of America. We love you, but we don’t like that for which you stand!

      Come back to sanity and reality and be successful and earn your riches!

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    • Edohiguma
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 8:27am

      Funny Encinom, the left wing’s rhetoric is full of violence and calls for murder, always has been, it’s part of what they are going back to their founders themselves. The early socialists dreamed of “destroying” Jews, even calling it a good idea (Karl Kautzky particularly shined with that one.) Today the left wing backs the holocaust of unborn children (2 million abortions per year in the US and EU counted together), while catering to criminals and murderers (who suddenly have human rights.) They hate people voicing different opinions, because free speech doesn’t exist in a left wing “utopia” (read that as hell hole.)

      And even the great divider in the White House uses similar speech.

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  • dublinthewagons
    Posted on August 6, 2012 at 7:41am

    ABC (all bull crap) will take care of this story. We are in good hands here. Lol

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  • hillbillyinny
    Posted on August 6, 2012 at 7:32am

    “Fort Brag” IS NOT IN CALIFORNIA!! Just sayin’!

    Now do we believe anything else in this report–not me!

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    • Michael
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 7:39am

      Ft. Bragg in California is a small city not a base. The BASE Ft. Bragg in NC……..

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    • starman70
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 7:40am

      Fort Bragg in in North Carolina but the rest of the story is in line with national reports.

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    • hillbillyinny
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 7:40am

      Fort Bragg IS IN North Carolina–Greta van Susteren has this same error in her tweet of eight hours ago!

      Maybe whomever in the FBI that put out this press release should check their geography!

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    • hillbillyinny
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 7:43am

      Thanks @ Michael!

      They say he’s on “active duty” and tie it to “Fort Bragg”- – honest mistake or confusion on my part (and many others replying to Greta van Susteren). . .

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    • Apple Bite
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 7:44am

      ABC jump out and called him a ‘skinhead’….

      Yeah, because no white man would ever have short hair or tattoos in the military. Nope, not possible. Only skinheads have bald heads and tattoos.

      Good reporting there MSM!

      Truth told, this might be another trauma victim home from the war….

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 7:44am

      Fort Bragg is a city located in coastal Mendocino County, California. Having been stationed at Ft Bragg, NC myself I thought that it was a mistake the first time that I saw that some time ago.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 7:46am

      MICHAEL, Didn’t mean to step on any toes, you beat me to it.

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