Babies Promoting Atheism? Minn. Atheists Mimic Pro-Life Ads in New Billboard Campaign
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Atheists in Minnesota stand firmly opposed to parents “indoctrinating” their children to believe in a higher power. So, like their counterparts in Colorado (among other localities), they’ve erected new billboards that make their anti-God messaging loud and clear. Only these atheists are taking a unique route: they’re using pro-life advertisements as the inspiration for their billboards.
(Related: ‘God Is an Imaginary Friend’: Atheist Billboard Ignites Controversy in Colorado)
According to the Christian Post, Minnesota Atheists, a group associated with American Atheists, recently erected the massive signs in Minneapolis. One of the ads reads, ”Please don’t indoctrinate me with religion. Teach me to think for myself.” Another says, ”We are all born without belief in gods. Learn how to be a born-again atheist.” Smiling babies are featured on the billboards, which will remain up until Feb. 19.
Image Credit: Rose French/The Star Tribune
The purpose of the billboards is apparently to attract people who are already non-believers to become members of American Atheists and the local Minnesota Atheists groups. According to Eric Jayne, a board member and project leader at the local organization, his group wishes to curb ”the practice of indoctrinating young, impressionable minds with religious dogma that cannot be substantiated with evidence.”
The cute pictures of the babies that accompany the anti-God messages were inspired, according to August Berkshire, the president of Minnesota Atheists, by Prolife Across America, a Minneapolis-based group. This particular organization uses babies on its ads and billboards to support its efforts against the practice of abortion. Berkshire said:
“It’s (billboards) turning out to be a pretty popular way to get the message out. [Prolife Across America] use[s] a lot of images of children and that got us thinking: religious indoctrination begins with children as soon as they’re old enough to learn. If they weren’t given this indoctrination, they probably wouldn’t believe. It’s for people to realize, where did this religion come from? You weren’t born with it. It was taught to you. And it’s possible to unlearn it.”
Some of Prolife Across America's billboards that served as the inspiration for Minnesota Atheists' campaign (Image Source: Prolife Across America)
While local church leaders disagree, some seem open to the debate that the signs is spawning.
“We believe that people are actually born with a natural desire to connect to a higher power. So, the billboards are wrong, but if they stimulate some thinking — certainly no harm in that,” said Pastor Kevin McDonough, a faith leader at Church of St. Peter Claver, a house of worship located near one of the billboards.
According to the Star Tribune, Prolife Across America director Mary Ann Kuharski is fine with her group serving as the atheist campaign’s inspirational status. ”Imitation is the highest form of flattery,” she says, “They’re (babies) eye-catching. We can’t help noticing them. Frankly, they (atheist billboards) may be helping us. They’re still identifying babies for what they are, which is precious.”
(H/T: Christian Post)
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Comments (328)
amerbur
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:53pmThere is no such thing as neutral. There is darkness (no light), or light. There may be a little light or a lot of light, but the absence of light is darkness, just as the absence of God is no God. No god, no spirit, death. If you are so errogant to speculate that there is nothing but solid matter in a Universe we can barley navigate or comprehend, then you will get the equivalant of your faith. Your soul, your dreams, you, will end with the choice not to love the one who created the universe, the earth and the heavens, which we cannot comprehend. Go ahead, atheists, your pride and arrogance will lead to the decay of your body- your little pile of chemicals which in itself is a miracle. You can speculate what will happen to a soul that rejects it’s creator.
Report Post »HKS
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:34pmMisery loves company, their looking for some company because their lonely and lost, ie. no reason to live.
Report Post »AmericanBumpkin
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:52pmcoming from a background with no religious teaching beyond “here’s a bible, read it and decide for yourself what you believe.” i have to agree with just the part about teaching people to think for themselves, especially children, but not the whole message. any true atheist will not actively recruit other atheist, or convert people, because that would go against the very principal this group posted on the billboard that people should indeed think for themselves.
Report Post »this isnt an atheist group, its not even an anti-religion group, its an anti-christian group (yes i know im being cpt. obvious here). otherwise they would be protesting all religions that worship any deity/deities.
so the big questions are: who is heading this group, and who‘s payin’ them?
Sparky101
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 4:10pmThese are no doubt the church-burning kind of atheists. Hard to believe anyone would promote the burning of churches, but these atheists do just that. What “good” people they are.
Report Post »jimv2000
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 4:55pmWhy is it whenever a god is criticized, the only response comes from the people who follow that god? Why can’t the gods speak for themselves? If you’d like to know how Atheists see the Christian (and every other) god, see I Kings 18:25-29.
Report Post »scarebear83
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 5:43pmI find it interesting that you use a passage from the Bible to show how atheists view Christians when the very source you’re using is the way how God speaks to us today.
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 6:10pmThe Bible is incredibly open to interpretation. Surely a god would have known what the points of confusion were going to be and would have been far more specific in those areas. It’s clear that if God wrote the Bible, that he didn’t care about confusion or doctrinal accuracy.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:40amThere’s nothing wrong with this message. It promotes raising a child to think logically and critically, to make up his or her own mind. If they so choose religion, it teaches them to come to their own conclusions and own interpretations about their faith.
If you need god to have a reason to live, then you must lead a pretty miserable life.
Report Post »scarebear83
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 6:12pmwvernon1981 God’s message is very clear. The only reason it becomes confusing is because man has made it that way. That‘s the reason there’s so many denominations in the world is because they all would rather interpret the Bible how they feel instead of studying God’s word and letting the Bible speak for itself.
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on February 2, 2012 at 6:11pmIf that’s the case, then how do you know you’re interpreting it right? Remember that you could be victim of the very same cognitive biases they are.
Report Post »bernbart
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:53pmHow come those so-called pro-life posters are all about Dad?
What I find amazing about the Antis, they some how believe they are more moral, are better parents and the only people who have babies and care about family. The extreme Antis always try to portray those who are pro-choice as women without children or families, and they often exploit their own children to prove it.
I have news for you… Those of us who are pro-choice believe abortion should be safe and legal if a woman makes that choice. However not all who are pro-choice personally believe in abortion or have ever had one. Those who are pro-choice, are not pro-abortion, they just believe that reproductive health decisions a should be private, and not decided by politicians, religious leaders, or strangers. Yes, those who are pro-choice have babies and families and family values. Those who are pro-choice just don’t try to force their values on everyone esle. We believe reproductive health decisions is a Woman’s choice.
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:07pmI agree, it’s your choice, but it is not my responsibility to pay for it. It’s a fine line to walk, being pro-choice/pro-life. I believe it‘s a woman’s choice what to do with THEIR body, but a baby is not part of a woman’s body, because the DNA is different. The baby is also the father’s. It is up to the COUPLE on what to do, but I should not be forced to pay for it.
Report Post »liberal_equals_liar
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:37pmNo one should have the “choice” to kill someone else, especially a defenseless baby. That is a false premise. Your argument is nothing more than a horrible justification for those too lazy or irresponsible to deal with their own bad judgements. Abortion is murder and should not be tolerated. That is why people feel the need to stop it instead of chalking it up to “personal beliefs” and turning a blind eye.
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:46pmYou cannot legislate morality.
Report Post »pillar of smoke
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:00pmAnonymous, nice hat. i dissagree with you and apparently Bernbart. i think it should be up to the government to decide. If my particular group doesn’t like your particular group and we are in charge of the government, then I as the current leader fo the free world should be in complete control over whether or not you get to breed. So it’s not your choice. it’s mine. And I dont even know you. Isn’t that cool. i have to say that there is some debate. for now i think we should stop the abortions until we figure out who are being killed and why. then we can kill them, and i’ll be in charge. deal
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:13pmL E L,
Report Post »I totally disagree cold blooded murders,rapist, and pediphiles,could get injections fast enough. Next all criminals continuing their criminal activities while inprisoned for other crimes should get thier turn strapped to the gurney as well. Criminals who truely want to rehabilitate should have the chance to do so…..the practice of warehousing crimnals to create jobs has to end.
W@nd@
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:50pmI can refute this totally!
Report Post »I am a believer since i was 10…probably earlier
and i am much older now….
no person in my life indoctrinated me.
the reason i am a believer
i found out God is real
because He protected me as a small child and saved my life
not once but several times.
in a very abusive home…when no person would step forward and help…
He protected me…and
told me in my hEARt
“I will never leave you or forsake you.”
He is real…and i found out you could find out more about Him
in a place called a church…I chose to find out more about Him…
He is good …..kind and loving
just because someone chooses not to believe
does not negate that He lives!
Every person must decide for themself
each will be held accountable for their choice of
accepting or rejecting the gift…(Jesus gift of salvation)
To use an innocent in such a manner i find reprehensible
because of my history i suppose…
knowing the love that He has for each and everyone of us…
then seeing them using His creation
to deride and mock Him is as low as you can go!
bhelmet
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:07pmVery nice testimony – although my background is different – He has saved my life many times – even though many times it was from stupid decisions I made. We will see Him more and more in our lives in the coming days – if WE choose to look and listen.
Report Post »GodHatesFigs
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:11pmWould have been nice if he didn’t put you in that abusive environment in the first place.
Report Post »ZeldaZick
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:53pmW@ND@
How wonderful for you. I had a similar thing happen to me. A small miracle, which proved to me that the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob is very real. Funny how when you try to tell people about such events people look at you as if you’re nuts. Makes life a whole lot easier to live however.
God’s peace to you
Report Post »jimv2000
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 4:57pmAnd if you had grown up in Iran, you’d by a Muslim and attribute your experiences to Allah.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 10:19amAnd you remember all of this from when you were 10 years old? Uh huh.
Report Post »There‘s a reason that children can’t testify on their own behalf or be trusted to make decisions for themselves. They already have a knack for magical thinking to explain the un-explainable and why fairy tales are so effective on them. I can tell you lots of things that happened to me when I was 10 but that doesn’t mean I remember them correctly or if they even happened at all. Under a stressful situation that an abusive home causes, it may have amplified whatever it was that happened to you in a way that your young mind could process more easily. It‘s our body’s own defense system. Even though you might not have been exposed to religion or Jesus at home, chances were you would more than likely have run into someone who was religious. Maybe even a piece or two of propaganda here and there. That‘s why I am so puzzled when people ask me if I’ve heard about Jesus and the “good news”. While I have chosen to erase that from myself, unfortunately it still seems to find a way into my life someway or another. Can you imagine the outrage if Atheists were to start knocking on doors at all hours of the morning or started delivering pamphlets and papering your car window or preaching on street corners?
Kaoscontrol
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:49pmClearly atheists have no taste. The design on these billboards is so crappy compared to the pro-life billboards. I will say, however, that the atheists are maximizing their ad dollars though. For the mere $3000 they spent putting ads like these up, they always seem to get nation wide media attention— not that it persuades any one to raise their child as a Godless heathen.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:53pmMeh, I may be an atheist, but I wouldn’t use a baby in a billboard or much less make a billboard. I’ll talk to people about beliefs one on one, or in a place like this but I won’t spew my message to the masses.
Report Post »bernbart
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:55pmThose pro-life billboards are very distastsefu. l
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:45pm“We believe that people are actually born with a natural desire to connect to a higher power. So, the billboards are wrong…”
Actually, we’re born with an ability for magical thinking. It’s the same variety of irrationality that leads directly into religion if the mind is not properly matured with education in logic and reason. But there have been certain neurophysiological structures identified that aid a human brain in promoting the mind’s rejection of logic and reason well into adulthood. These may be what the Religionist above was referring to. Problem is, if you start calling that the “god center” of the brain, then what ramifications does that have for people born *without* the “god center”?
The Christian message is that everyone can be saved from hellfire and damnation if they just… believe. But if you lack this physical manifestation of religion in your brain, you can’t believe. Religious belief is as possible for you as the power of flight. So, does this mean that your god is pre-ordaining human beings to exist who are incapable of accepting the message of his followers? That, again, leads to the conclusion of the petty and spiteful god and the question of why ANYONE should believe in him.
Report Post »Kaoscontrol
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:50pmWhat are you smoking, @LESBIAN?
Report Post »unsalvageable.org
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:54pmIt’s called free will and you are exercising your free will by not believing.
To indocrinate children with the Theory of Evolution is teaching them “facts” that have so many holes in it that Darwin himself diodn’t believe in it. “To suppose that the eye could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree” – Charles Darwin
But that doesn’t stop our schools from doing it does it?
Sooner or later we will all believe in God.
Report Post »LouC57
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:56pmLesbian Packing Hollow Points,
Report Post »Jeez, I used to believe pretty much everything you just said…used to.
I hope you find peace and truth.
But do keep the hollow points ;)
Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:01pmIt’s the same type of “free will” that Pharoah had after god “hardened his heart”. I’m neurophysiologicly incapable of believing in the divine, the supernatural, the ethereal, the paranormal, the spiritual, the angelic or demonic, the mystical, the holy, or the just, plain, unscientific. What’s more, I was born this way. I have testimony from multiple relatives as to what I was like as a newborn up to 3 years of age to back me up on that.
Report Post »Blacktooth
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:02pmYou asked; “does this mean that your god is pre-ordaining human beings to exist who are incapable of accepting the message of his followers?”
John 17:3 indicates it is up to us to learn all we can about God, His Son Jesus, and everything surrounding God’s means of salvation offered to us. If we do not want to take in the knowledge offered, then we will not experience good results. Life is a gift from our Creator and if we cannot acknowledge this, then we will not have it. All of us have a choice – choose wisely my friend.
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:13pm@ Blacktooth:
Oooo. Goody, goody. I couldn’t ask for a better softball to hit out of the park…
So, what of all those billions of human beings who have walked the Earth who not only were never told of this Jewish carpenter and his pathway to paradise but who couldn’t have been so told? You say that the Bible tells us to learn all that we CAN about god. What if we can’t learn anything about god?
What of all of the pre-Columbian peoples of Meso-America? There were no crusades to bring the gospels to them for over a millennia. What was your god’s plan for them and their salvation? There was no physical possibility for them to learn of Christ’s sacrifice on the cross. (Unless you’re a Mormon who believes the risen Christ complete with stigmata appeared to American Indians in pre-Columbian times, but I don’t think I need to tell YOU how much devout Christians look down on the beliefs of the Mormons.)
So, there were millennia of homosapiens walking the earth (even if you buy into the age of the Earth being around 6,500 years) who now reside in Hell because Christ’s followers took so long in getting to them?
What a sorry-arsed god you have.
Report Post »Kaoscontrol
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:21pmSo… LESBIAN, you were “born this way”? We all were. That’s why Jesus said “You must be born AGAIN.”
Report Post »Blacktooth
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:28pmLPHP,
I would like to have a civil conversation about this matter but if you are determined to ridicule what you know nothing about, I will move on. I will try just this once, to again offer some information you may be able to use. It is found in John 5;26-29. All of mankind, even the ignorant and those who lived and died without knowledge of the true God and of His Son will be given a chance to choose life.
Report Post »pillar of smoke
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:31pmI agree with you Lesbian. I dont like your hair though. Some parts of the bible that I read lead me to believe that the God of Abram was very interrested in Genetics, possibly for this very reason. It seems to me that people looking into the brain, and genetics are coming to a conclusion of this sorts. it may be that some people are born without the capacity to accept the magical mystical universe of my fathers fathers. that may have been an eppisode of Fringe though, im not sure. you are clearly more educated and articulate than i am though. So Im going to take your word for it. You may note that Abraham’s father and Abram himself was a worshiper of idols, particularly of animals before God talked told him to jump ship. Interresting.
Report Post »Blacktooth
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:34pmLPHP,
And for the record, I am not a Mormon.
Report Post »unsalvageable.org
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:44pmLesbian: You are nothing like Pharoh unless…Do you have thousands of Jews held captive and God needs to make an example of you?
Reading the bible will not be enough to accept that God is real, you have to open your heart to it. I hope you come around soon. I was a non-believer for years, then I began to witness miracles in my life that changed me.
Don’t wait until judgement day to become a believer.
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:55pm@unsalvageable FYI the heart pumps blood.. Opening it up would be hazardous to your health.
Report Post »TheBigMike
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:55pmHi LPHP.
Romans 6:23 — For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
That means ALL men who ever lived must die.
Acts 24:15 — And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, BOTH OF THE JUST AND UNJUST.
That means that ALL men who ever lived will re resurrected. I don’t know what happens after that; I kinda think everyone gets a second chance to believe at that point, but most will argue against that.
Report Post »GodHatesFigs
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:26pm@UNSALVAGEABLE.ORG
Report Post »Here’s the rest of that Darwin quote:
To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree. Yet reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from a perfect and complex eye to one very imperfect and simple, each grade being useful to its possessor, can be shown to exist; if further, the eye does vary ever so slightly, and the variations be inherited, which is certainly the case; and if any variation or modification in the organ be ever useful to an animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, can hardly be considered real.
unsalvageable.org
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:51pm@GodHatesFigs
I’ve read the entire quote before. He states that “reason” tells him and then he begins to explain his OPINION.
Well “reason” tells me that God exists and that in my observations I have seen all the proof that I need
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rush_is_right
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:54pm“Actually, we’re born with an ability for magical thinking. It’s the same variety of irrationality that leads directly into religion ”
yeah the most irrational form of that magical thinking is atheism, and its racist creation myth…evolution.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:55pm“the angelic or demonic, the mystical, the holy, or the just, plain, unscientific. What’s more, I was born this way. I have testimony from multiple relatives as to what I was like as a newborn up to 3 years of age to back me up on that.”
interesting….the Bible says something like that…
10 Not only that, but Rebekah’s children were conceived at the same time by our father Isaac. 11 Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God’s purpose in election might stand: 12 not by works but by him who calls—she was told, “The older will serve the younger.”[d] 13 Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”[e]
14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15 For he says to Moses,
“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”[f]
16 It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:57pm“What of all of the pre-Columbian peoples of Meso-America? There were no crusades to bring the gospels to them for over a millennia. What was your god’s plan for them and their salvation? There was no physical possibility for them to learn of Christ’s sacrifice on the cross.”
laughable…He doesn’t need our help.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:58pmYo LPHP:
O GOODY GOODY… a softball to hit out of the park … yeah you hit it out of the park, problem is it was a foul ball.
God is a just God … He made us (humor me) if so, he does have the right to do WHATEVER He wants. I make furniture, nothing I have ever made told me what to do with it (the pot and the potter)… please do not respond with —the furniture is an inanimate object, because the difference between us and God is more so then us and a table (I know we are created in the image of God) that doesn’t work for you either. Romans clearly says NO man has ANY excuses, if you choose to believe the lies ( theories) of men then guess what you have turned away from God by your own choice.
I bet you could care less about some lost tribe of people in Africa or South America except to try to falsely defend you’re position on this issue. God does not hold us accountable for what we do not know… he does hold us accountable for what we do know … and since HE IS ALL KNOWING, ALL POWERFUL, JUST AND GOOD, if you don’t mind I will put my trust in Him.
“magical thinking” = nothing more then the brain designed with enormus complexity and tremendous imagination… that you call an accident of no purpose.
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:08pmThe reading for incomprehension in this thread is astounding.
Here. Got some homework for ya’all.
Michael Shermer, “The Believing Brain: From Ghosts and Gods to Politics and Conspiracies-How We Construct Beliefs and Reinforce Them as Truths”
Report Post »Times Books, 2011, ISBN: 0805091254, 1250008808
4truth2all
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:21pmYo LPHP:
Report Post »You’re just to smart for us ….
zhaan
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 5:49pm@LESBIAN PACKING HOLLOW POINTS – I go to church but I’m not a fundamentalist. Not all Christians are fundamentalists. Your angry attempt to discredit God and Christianity is based on your equating God with a very narrow theological spectrum of thought that does not represent the whole. At my church lesbians can actually be priests and some are bishops (Episcopalian). (Yes, I know some readers here will find that wrong but let’s get real – God wants you to be open to Christ in his heart, all sinners, including “lesbians,” so focus on the bigger picture here. We agree on Jesus, we disagree on some aspects of theology.)
And I don’t believe that non-believers (in Jesus) go to Hell, but that people who turn away from God end up keeping themselves in darkness. So your arguments hold no water with me. You choose to hate “God” because you don’t like the theology of a certain branch of the greater church. Never mind the spiritual traditions from around the world you aren’t even including in your refutation. Your problem is with fundamentalism, but fundamentalism‘s flaws doesn’t mean that God doesn‘t exist or we aren’t spiritual creatures. You throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 7:19pmOh, Zhaan, Zhaan, Zhaan. I certainly hope you’ve invested in asbestos long johns, because you’re about to get flamed into oblivion.
Not by me. No, no, no. Not by me. By all of your fellow Christians and Christics.
And I was by no means limitting my critique of religion to the religion of Christianity. This is why I use terms like Religionism/-ist/-ists so as to not be mistaken to be picking on any particular religious tradition of belief in the irrational, illogical, and unscientific. I lump all religions together equally under that rubric.
As the story was referencing religious “belief”, I did call Christianity up to the head of the class for purposes of demonstration of the ramifications of belief, the lack thereof, and the lack of any capacity therefore, based on neurophysiology.
And I think you made Jesus out to be a liar. Help me out here, if I’m wrong. Did he or did he not say: John 14:6, “… no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” No one can be saved from Hell except through Jesus Christ. Even assuming that didn‘t hold until the time of Jesus’s life, that still leaves millions of people in the New World, east Asia, the south Pacific, southern Africa who were born, lived, and died without anyone ever uttering the name “Jesus Christ” to them, a phenomenon that continues worldwide to this day.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 7:32pmYo Zhaan:
LET”S GET REAL HERE …good idea …. REPENT – is what Jesus teaches. Repent means to turn from ones sin … to stop ..to not continue.. to have it cease to exist … to no longer do it ( WHATEVER IT IS ) …to turn around and go the other way ….. The “church” leadership you attend is in rebellion AGAINST God. You rebel against the King, and you don’t get invited to the Kings wedding feast … and that is REAL …….!!!, according to scripture; fundamentalist or not!
There is teaching of truth, and there is teaching of lies (false teaching), you are obviously going to a “church” that teaches the latter ….. my suggestion LEAVE and read the bible for yourself.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 7:49pmYO LPHP;
Report Post »Crackle, crackle… I must admit you had me laughing … I do not hate you , but you really can not let God be God can you?
I did not put “Zhaan” in the emergency room … I speak the truth according to scripture to “correct and rebuke”… agree or disagree with it. I actually try to prevent the “medical” costs, which again is what scripture tells me to do…
Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 10:51pmYou are, however, correct in my abhorrence for fundamentalism. You are wrong, however, in your supposition that I throw the whole religious baby out with the fundamentalist bathwater. It’s more like the Religionists are throwing me out with the non-Religionist bathwater. If you are introduced to me as a Religionist, as long as you’re still capable of rational discussion and behaving as a sane individual, I’ll still have a cordial relationship with you. I’ve been written off by other Blazers based on my screenname alone. People who read not one word of what I write will go off on me because of my screenname. As if theirs are any better.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 10:04amSo your god doesn’t have everything planned out? I thought it was in control. That doesn’t sound like free will to me.
Report Post »Hani16
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 1:55pm@LPHP
One. I’m a sinner. You’re a sinner. Everyone who has ever lived on this planet and will live is a sinner except for Jesus Christ.
Two. Sin mandates Hell. So, if I don’t get right with God, I’m going to hell. So are you.
We all deserve Hell from the minute we are born–dont forget that.
Three. If God chooses to call some of us to him, without any “free will” on our part, I’m going to say Thank you Lord. He did something that no one deserves– gave us eternal life in heaven. It’s not for us poor dirty rotten Earthlings to shake our fists at God and say Why didnt you choose them?
I’m not expecting you to understand this, by the way. Your eyes are blinded, my friend. I hope someday you come to see the error of your ways. May God have mercy on you and call you to Him as he has me.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:55pmYo LPHP:
Report Post »I really don’t do the “label” thing very well … not know what a religionist is and for the most part don’t care.
We have spoken previously, I try to be respectful to all people.
Aunt Nee Nee
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:42pmI‘d like to hear the atheists’ explanation of how people who were not raised in a “religious” home become believers as adults. Madelyn Murray O‘Hair’s son William comes to mind. And why spend so much time, money, and effort denouncing a being that they are SURE does NOT exist? When will they begin their campaigns against Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy? They don’t exist, either. I think they are more anti-theist than atheist. They have to believe in “god” in order to hate him and his followers so much.
Report Post »pillar of smoke
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:50pmOh, on the contrary. you can hate people for no reason at all. I find myself doing that all the time. Just for practice really. Im already pretty good at it, but practice makes perfect you know. These particular billboards, however, appear to be an attemp to distance this organization from the pro choice theme that has been given us by much more expensive media outlets.
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 6:16pmWe despise faith because people act irrationally on it. Your decisions are made based on your world view. How you act affects others. Therefore, I would prefer you and others act with as accurate a model of the world as possible. I personally despise faith because I hate irrationality and people claiming to know more than they possibly could.
Report Post »formidable_foe
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 12:29am@WVERNON1981,
Report Post »How about those who know less than they’re willing to admit?
FoxholeAtheist
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 10:22am…because it’s EVERYWHERE and pushed on us from all sides. A true Atheist has to come to their own conclusions and make up their own mind. Just because you come from a house of non-believers doesn’t mean you will end up one yourself.
Isn’t your questions sort of like asking how a child in a Xtian home grows up to become an Atheist?
Report Post »bernbart
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:37pmUsing babies on bill boards to promote Atheism makes No More Sense than using babies to promote the Anti woman, Anti legal abortion campaign on so-called pro-life billboards. I do believe we should be teaching our children to think for themselves at a certain age. Cramming Atheism down people’s throats is just as bad as those evangelicals and Catholics who put up those disgusting Anti bill boards. Why can’t everyone just practice their religion silently and quit trying to promote it, or insert it into our politics and our Democracy.
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:37pmThe logic of the billboard is flawed, it predisposes that children cannot believe in the unseen.
Yet children are often the ones with active imaginations to believe in things they create in theirs mind, although whose to say they aren’t specially tuned to the miraculous, doesn’t the bible say “faith like a child” Matthew 18:3-4. I.E. imaginary friends or ‘angels’. Chances are babies also dream, although the detail of the dream is unknown, but it is undoubted influences by outside forces.
No the problem is athiests grew up, old and bitter, and forgot what it was like to be a child! They haven’t been born again, they are just getting older and feeble.
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:45pmA capacity for magical thinking is not the same as a belief in gods.
Report Post »tweetybird
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:36pmI believe we are all born to connect to a higher power. Some people turn to drugs, alcohol, many sexual partners, etc….looking for love….looking for something that is missing in their life. Well….the only thing to fill that void of emptiness is God himself. Some people may have it all in life but will still feel that emptiness in the pit of the gut. Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life (John 14:6). I can say with 100% certainty that God exists and I can say that without seeing Him with my own eyes. I have felt the presence of God and nothing on this Earth can compare. People who do not believe are being deceived. It is sad really. Just so you know, I wasn’t born into a family that went to church. My father is still an Atheist to this day and is father was a preacher. So…you can’t blame the parents. Each individual person makes their own decisions. I really don’t believe you can make someone believe the way you do. That person does it all on their own.
Report Post »Blacktooth
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:49pmWell put Tweetybird, well put.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:43amTweety, you sound as if you are speaking from experience. Some don’t turn to those things at all. Some turn to their family, friends, and spouse for support and companionship. Too bad you are so empty inside.
Report Post »LouC57
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:33pmI’m reminded of many stories out of the mouths of babes…young children, who have experienced Divine Love, can describe He who gives it and even what He smells like. Maybe we should listen to these little ones.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:37pmI’ve also listened to them talk to me about their best friend and how they looked………..and that friend was imaginary as well.
Report Post »LouC57
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:52pmYup, true.
Then again, how do you know it’s not a spirit? Recently read the book Simply Jesus. The basic premise is there’s no heaven “above us”, but at the moment of Jesus’ death, heaven and earth merged, that those who have passed on are right there, we simply can’t perceive them.
Ask folks who work in nursing homes or hospitals of their experiences, it’s spine tingling.
Report Post »Arruba
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:33pmWhy is it so important to them to indoctrinate other peoples’ children into their faith or lack there of? So, live and let live isn’t good enough? That totalitarian attitude toward others should be a wake up call to re-examine all religions for one that teaches “love thy neighbor”. What if a child is taught all religions and the existence of athism and chooses religion? What will the next sign say to force them to think like them? What are they really trying to accomplish with this nonsense?
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:37pmJust like animal rights and MM Global Warming, it’s about control.
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:47pmSo the you prove that Billboarf athiests logic is flawed! They claim that children cannot believe in the unseen (gods)! But imaginary friends are evidence that children do infact routinely believe in things imaginary or not, the intangible!
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:50pmI never had an imaginary friend. Does that mean I was never a child?
Report Post »Icnivad
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 8:37amLesbian, probably not. Nope, I can’t rally think of you as ever being a child. What, next you’re gonna say you never played with toys, read story books, and laughed?
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 3:16pmA child with no ‘imagination’ (doesn‘t mean you have an ’imagininary friend’), is a generally a sign of an ‘unhealthy’ childhood.
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:31pm.
Report Post »Babies say the Darnedest Things……
elosogrande
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:30pmWhat’s this guys problem? Our public school sysytem, with the blessing and backing of the liberal Democrat Party, has been indoctrinating our kids with all sorts of vile crap. When did this creep complain about that problem?
Maybe it isn’t a problem for him, if the indoctrination helps to tear America to pieces.
Report Post »carl1000
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:29pmAtheists, like these, are just like the crazy westboro “baptist” church folks. They are bullies. That’s all. Just because you dint believe in something doesn‘t mean it’s OK to bully those who do. It‘s like me saying I don’t believe in Bigfoot, then waist $$ putting up signs about how crazy it is to believe in Bigfoot. Makes no sense. They only do this because they feel left out by the 90% of the USA who believes in a God. Very sad really that their self esteem is so screwed up that they have to take on high school bulling techniques to put down something they “say” they don’t believe in. It’s like the stories of WHOLE FREAKIN towns having NO problem with a religious a display, then one idiot atheist whining about it. Then ruining everyone’s day because that ONE person is hurt by it. It would be like me going to a predominantly Muslim nation and demanding a peaceful verse not be displayed because I don’t believe in religion. Insane. I will bet my life on this…not ONE atheist is bothered by any religious display. They are just jealous of the fact we come together in peace and they just cant understand that.
Report Post »TH30PH1LUS
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:26pmAccording to one billboard, Atheists claim believers do not “think for themselves”. I suppose they would claim that Isaac Newton, Galileo, Louis Pasteur, Nicholas Copernicus, Michael Faraday, Robert Boyle, Giovanni Antonelli, and many other prominent scientists WHO FOUNDED THE ENTIRE DISCIPLINE could not “think for themselves” because they were all believers in God?
Report Post »bernbart
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:02pmOH but didn’t the Catholic church attempt to try to silence them when those scientists proved the earth was not the center of the Universe. Today the Christian right have been brain washed into disbelieving evolution and global warming, even though the world’s leading science community can prove both have and are happening.
Report Post »TH30PH1LUS
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:55pm@ bernbart:
You’re thinking of Galileo. Yes, the Catholic Church was in error. Galileo didn’t get his apology until the year 2000. Are you suggesting that because a Pope was wrong about something that Christianity is invalid? That‘s rather simplistic don’t you think? Shall we begin to elaborate on the mistakes and several outright frauds perpetrated by Darwinists?
There is more evidence that Jesus rose from the dead than there is evidence that you ate breakfast today, or have worked at your job for this past decade. You could not amass as many witnesses to that, nor to the assassination of President Lincoln, as testify to the resurrection of Jesus.
If you’d like scientific EVIDENCE that Darwinism is a fraud, and the evolutionary model of human development is totally wrong, please get yourself a copy of http://www.amazon.com/Forbidden-Archeology-Hidden-History-Human/dp/0892132949
p.s. that book is not written by Christians, in case you have something against Christianity.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:17pmYo Bernbart:
If the temperature of the sun increased do you think that migt do it…….?
I would also add to the list of “TH3O”…Johannes Kepler discovered the 3 laws of planetary motion (mathematics) of our solar system and tried to find the star of Bethlehem. He did not find it because he had some dates wrong concerning the death of King Herod.
Seek the truth and not what suits you … because you have some massive flaws in you’re “thinking”, and in what and whom you at present have chosen to “believe” in and “follow”.
Report Post »Birddog
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 5:26pm@ bernbart
Science does not prove a thing it deals in Theory, Fact,and scientific Law, prof is found in the laws of man and can change with the whims of man.
Report Post »Homeschoolmama
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:24pmThere is plenty of scientific evidence that God exists.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:27pmGood use of examples. You proved your point very well.
Report Post »Calm Voice of Reason
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:33pm@homeschoolmama, I am sure that there are mysteries in the universe, and that there is a lot going on in the cosmos that we have yet to discover, but I have to disagree that there is any “scientific” evidence for God. There are rigorous requirements for what comprises proper science and there is nothing about God that can apply. I would sincerely like to know what evidence you might be referring to.
Report Post »unsalvageable.org
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:48pmLet me put this simply…Just because you figured out the recipe to a Sheris Pie doesn‘t mean it doesn’t exist, you just figured out how they made it.
The same would apply to all of the “Scientific” discoveries of the universe. Just because some have begun to figure out Gods recipes doesn‘t mean he doesn’t exist.
You may not believe in God now, but sooner or later everyone will…
Report Post »Calm Voice of Reason
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:55pm@unsalvageable: Again, where is the positive evidence of God?
Report Post »pillar of smoke
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:15pmi am not aware of any evidence that proves that God exists. but there are plenty of theories that might help. Evolution, for example. Over the course of the last 5 or so thousand years the universe has been in existance, it is quite possible that a creature could evolve to a level at which could be percieved as God like-given our current and past dispositions. Sorry that was a really long sentance. We may never be able to prove that God exists, however. in order to do that, we would have to recreate the creation of the universe in a laboratory. Thats a tough one. Only Californians can do that kind of thing.
Report Post »J_Ruben_Kincaid
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:18pmThere is little scientific evidence of God for sure. It means nothing.
Report Post »Science is based on observation and reproduceability of results.
Somebody show me where life has been observed spontaneously arising from nonlife?
Somebody show me proof positive of the big bang?
Fact is you cannot, as bad as you atheists want these things to be true.
Big Bang is purely hypothesis. Origin of life is purely hypothesis.
Another hypothesis is that God exists and is completely in control of these events however they happened.
unsalvageable.org
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:37pm@Calm: Where is the evidence that evolution is real? There is none. My point is quite simple…Everything around you is “evidence” of Gods existence. Science is just beginning to unravel how God did it.
I will pray that you realize the truth soon, of all the bible prophecies regarding the second coming of Christ, the last one was fulfilled in 1948 when Israel became a nation again. We are living on borrowed time. Don’t wait until your judgement day to realize his existence.
Report Post »Dismayed Veteran
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:51pmThe belief in God is called faith and requires a leap. God is supernatural and therefore, not quantifiable. Faith is also unquantifiable since we must accept the supernatural. Can I prove God made the universe(s) and all things in it? No. Do I believe He made the universe(s) and all things in it? Yes.
Report Post »Homeschoolmama
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:26pmBlaze- why won’t you let my reply post? I have tried twice now spending lots of my previous time typing it out.
If you want evidence of God check out the books Has God Spoken by A O Schnable and The Genesis Flood by John C. Whitcomb and Henry M. Morris and maybe take an anatomy class.
God does not want blind faith, there is proof everywhere you just have to look.
Report Post »Homeschoolmama
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:36pmWhat about the other two, Blaze? The long ones or how about just the second one it was really good. I thought the truth had no agenda. What’s up with not letting those post?
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:58pm“@unsalvageable: Again, where is the positive evidence of God?”
look at the anthropic principle…intelligent design….
evolution is nothing more than a racist atheist fairy tale….
Report Post »ZeldaZick
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:04pm@ Calm Voice
Report Post »78% of all American’s believe in God. More people attend Christian Services on any given Sunday than all sporting events combined. Therefore, it is up to you to prove that there is no God. Please, anybody try, no opinions, just facts. Call witnesses if you like. Come on…….PROVE THAT THERE IS NO GOD!
rush_is_right
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:09pmoh I forgot the main physical evidence…ISRAEL
Report Post »Homeschoolmama
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 6:26pmBlaze- what’s wrong with my posts? People have questions but you won’t let me answer them.
Report Post »Homeschoolmama
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 6:40pmThe Bible mentioned thousands of years ago that the stars sing and yet it was not discovered that the stars emit sounds until 1942 when the US Army invented RADAR.
Report Post »Homeschoolmama
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 6:49pmAeriel photos of the earth show evidence of a huge flood such as is mentioned in Genesis. The fossil record also supports this by the quantity and arrangement of the fossils. Also the fact that fossils are rarely made in the present because it is necessary for them to be covered quickly and deprived of oxygen and microbes and bugs to avoid decay. BTW, dinosaurs are even mentioned in the Bible.
Report Post »Homeschoolmama
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 6:54pmArcheologist discover proof of the Bible historical record all the time. Often the Bible is the only source of the history of a city before the archeologists uncover artifacts which coorborate the Bible record.
Report Post »Homeschoolmama
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 7:02pmThe complexity and perfect geometry of anatomy and the chemical interaction both within the body and within nature, as well as the complex interactions within ecosystems insist on an intelligent designer. There are way too many coincidences from our distance from the sun our moon’s distance from earth to the make up of our atmosphere and the structure and replication of DNA for there not to be a God. Although you may not consider this evidence, when you put everything together one has to admit that evolutionis incapable of these results, statistically speaking.
Report Post »Homeschoolmama
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 7:11pmMany event were prophesied to happen both during the centuries the Bible was written but also some were to take place after it was completed. Such as the Huns Invasion causing the fall of the Roman empire.
Report Post »Homeschoolmama
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 7:14pmInhave more examples but the Blaze quit letting me post again.
Report Post »Homeschoolmama
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 7:25pmI’ve done my homework, now you do yours. I’m shocked that with the number of churches in this country that so few people can prove God and so many follow with blind faith. God gives us evidence everywhere and wants us to know him and follow him in knowledge.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 7:52pmNo one ever said the Bible isn’t a book.
There were people around that time who wrote a book, some of it involves actual history. The argument for physical proof of the world isn’t proof a God exists.
It would be similar to me writing a book now, and making a bunch of wild supernatural claims, and including that the internet became mainstream, or that a football stadium was built or there was a massive hurricane. Future generations look back and then see, wow the internet did become mainstream around then, oh wow a football stadium was built then oh and there was a hurricane, thus……..EVERYTHING IN THIS BOOK IS TRUE!!!!!!
Those physical and earthy claims provide no proof or relevance to those supernatural claims.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 7:53pmYou then made a bunch of claims that “insists” on an intelligent designer. Yeah, that’s not proof there IS an intelligent designer.
Report Post »Homeschoolmama
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 8:22pmModeration it is your choice not to believe. Go on doing your thing, that’s what free will is all about. But what if I’m right and there is a God we all have to answer to?
I’m done. Have a nice night everyone.
Report Post »Icnivad
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 8:52amYou guys become subject to some bugs and your first conclusion is that The Blaze must be monitoring every post pasted. Wow. I’ve had many posts not posted REGARDLESS OF SUBJECT MATTER, for all of you people out there who should take some time to realize that just because you have something left un-posted does NOT mean they are trying to squander what you have to say.
3 funniest things in the world: (when they happen to be most entertaining)
- The Mechanically Challenged who sometimes happen to be conspiracy theorists
- The Technologically Challenged who sometimes happen to be conspiracy theorists
- Serial Conspiracy Theorists who are also one or both of the above
:D
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:23pm” the duty of each of the several states to establish and forever maintain free public schools adequate to the education of all of children in the rudimentary branches within their respective limits, irrespective of sex, color, birth place, or religions; forbidding the teaching in said schools of religious, atheistic, or pagan tenets; and prohibiting the granting of any school funds or school taxes, or any part thereof, either by legislative, municipal, or other authority, for the benefit or in aid, directly or indirectly, of any religious sect or denomination, or in aid or for the benefit of any other object of any nature of the kind whatever.”-Ulysses S. Grant
Ya he wanted Athiesm out of education, just as much as religion… It was families to decide on spiritual matters. Schools were there to stay neutral and teach fundamentals without choosing any sides.
Report Post »amerbur
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:45pmThere is no such thing as neutral. There is darkness (no light), or light. There may be a little light or a lot of light, but the absence of light is darkness, just as the absence of God is no God. No god, no spirit, death. If you are so errogant to speculate that there is nothing but solid matter in a Universe we can barley navigate or comprehend, then you will get the equivalant of your faith. Your sould, your dreams, you, will end with the choice not to love the one who created heaven and earth and the heavens which we cannot comprehend. Go ahead, atheists, your pride and arrogance will lead to the decay of your body- your little pile of chemicals which in itself is a miracle. You can speculate what will happen to a soul that rejects love.
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:53pmNo the atheist need to stay out of other families matters, and only take care of their own. The same goes for Christians, and other religions. Indoctrination can come from both sides. That was Grant’s point. It should be family who decides he spiritual needs for their family, not the government.
Report Post »Lawrence7
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:23pm”Please don’t indoctrinate me with religion. Teach me to think for myself.”
… according how Atheists indocrinate their children, of course.
oh, wait….
Report Post »kapu
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:21pmi am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO impressed at how, ummmmmmmmmm, ‘brave’ they are…..hiding behind little children—BABIES there. yeppers, nothing like them joining ranks with using babies as human shields….SHEESH…such a pack of dopes……….
Report Post »YouAreMistakenSir
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:39pmFirst off babies make terrible shields. They’re really squishy and too small to protect more than one of your vitals. Second I think the atheists are trying to tie religious upbringing with harming children. They are appealing to everyone’s natural instinct to protect children. Which is the same tactic used by the pro life movement.
Report Post »TH30PH1LUS
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:20pmTrain a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not turn from it. Proverbs 22:6
The power and influence of a God-fearing parent cannot be underestimated. Atheists know that, and are openly trying to undermine the power of parents in their own homes.
Report Post »DeavonReye
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:06pmYou missed the point entirely. They teach them what THEY feel is right. . . . and often they throw in the POS argument that “if they don’t believe this way, they will end up in Hell”. OF COURSE, kids will be “raised up” in those INDOCTRINATING beliefs. Muslim kids will be raised as little infidel haters. All due to nonsense. Child abuse is all it is. These billboards are TRUE. Let them make their own decision based on information else they will be tormented for most of their life.
Report Post »TH30PH1LUS
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:59pm@ DeavonReye
Are you implying there is no information to substantiate a belief in God?
here’s a tip: study our moon. It’s size, it’s shape, it’s exact location. What all of those mathematical factors have contributed to our knowledge of the universe. Then check out every other moon in the known universe. Compare/contrast. Then get back to me.
Report Post »DeavonReye
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:11pmAre you making reference to Kent Hovind arguments? If so, there are peer reviewed data that shows the illogic in his arguments. See talkorigins.org
If it is something else, explain it or point me to your source information.
Report Post »TH30PH1LUS
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 4:43pm@ Deavonreye:
I don’t know who Kent Hovind is/was. I ask again: Are you implying there is no information to substantiate a belief in God?
Report Post »DeavonReye
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 5:01pmYes, I am stating that exact thing. Being agnostic, I am open to the posibility, but people have been attempting to prove god for quite some time now and I have yet to see a credible piece of information.
Now, if god cannot be substantiated with credible evidence, but can only be phylosophical or subjective in nature, relying solely upon “feelings”, then there isnt’ much of a debate to be had. Actual emperical, demonstrable, and credible evidence may not be forthcoming. I can accept that, . . . but christians should accept why I couldn’t not believe their religious stance.
Again, credible AS PERTAINING to a specific god that you believe is found in Canon. I’m not interested in “because of this, it could only MEAN a god exists” responses.
Report Post »TH30PH1LUS
Posted on February 2, 2012 at 2:25pmMany of the prophecies concerning the Messiah were totally beyond human control: Birth: Place, time, manner of Death: People’s reactions, piercing of side, burial Resurrection. In reference to only eight of these prophecies, the chance that any man might have lived to fulfill just eight prophecies is one in 100 trillion! More than 300 prophecies were fulfilled in the birth, life, death and resurrection of Jesus. He is the Son of God – just do the math.
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:19pmI wonder how many atheists have children?
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:22pmLots, and they don’t think their child is born worthy of an eternal torture. We view them as they are, absolutely adorable.
Believers see them as they are, sinners who need a savior or they’ll spend an eternity getting tortured.
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:26pm@ModerationisjustanameIpicked
Report Post »Let’s see some proof.
Believers see children as innocents that, if they died, would automatically go to heaven.
ModerationIsBest
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:36pm@ANONYMOUS T. IRRELEVANT
Anybody who believes in original sin(which is a shocking number of people) MUST believe that children are born sick and evil and worthy of an eternal torture, and that they need Jesus to be saved.
Everything else you say you “believe” is just a religious group putting their own spin on the afterlife.
Much like how the Catholic church talked about “limbo” which was for kids who died in childbirth, or before the age of recognition etc………….only to later come back and say that limbo actually never existed. Well what about all of those parents who had babies die at a young age? Limbo existed for them, now the church is coming back and saying that the place doesn’t exist?
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:07pm@MOD
There are not even “lots” of atheists to begin with.
So “lots” of you, are not having “Lots” of little atheists.
That’s why you NEED to recruit.
So say you were to have a little one, and it came home from a friends house and started telling you about everything his friend told him about God, Jesus, Church, etc.
He then asks……..daddy, why don’t we go to church?
What do you tell him?
Do you say nothing and let him choose his own path?
Or do you “indoctrinate” ?
No need to answer MOD, that was a rhetorical question.
LOL…..HAHAHA………give me a break
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:26pm@THERIGHTSOFBILLY
As I said, I have friends who are Christians. Not too long ago their youngest came up to me and asked if he could pray for me. Mind you this kid is very young and probably doesn‘t even know what he’s doing. How did I respond? “Sure buddy.”
I am respectful and remain silent while they pray before meals.
I constantly have friends invite me to church and I respectfully decline.
If my kid said he wanted to go to church with a friend, I would have no problem with it.
What are you getting at here?
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:38pmOh and to answer your question I would say something along the lines of, “I haven’t been given enough evidence to think a God exists.”
If asked why I think that, instead of referring to a “holy book” for answers, that was written and put together by men over thousands of years ago, I would instead talk about science and other things that I think are compelling evidence against a creator. I would admit that I could be wrong and that if I was wrong, I would choose to abandon that thinking and try to find the correct answer.
I wouldn’t go up to my kid and teach atheism and say, “You know there is no God right?” whereas religious parents think it‘s their duty to teach their children their religion ESPECIALLY at a young age where they can’t understand it. I wouldn’t teach my kid that there is only one correct way and that he should believe something despite evidence on the contrary.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:54pmYou are full of it MOD, and it’s plain for all to see.
If you would not try and convince your own child of your “non-beliefs”……….Why are you hell bent on trying to convince us?
And in regards to your other post elsewhere on this page………By posting your drivel here every day, in posts too numerous to count, you are indeed spewing your views to the masses.
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Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:07pm@Billy
Because I can’t go a day in my life without religious people telling me I need Jesus or that God is why things happen or that we are a nation of Christians.
I see people who are running for the Presidency that openly admit they would consult prayer and scripture on decisions regarding war and public policy.
Fact is, I tell you how I am in person and how I would raise my child. I tell you how I interact with my friends who are from a varying background of religious beliefs. If you choose to deny it,it’s your choice. I have provided you with plenty of examples, yet you still claim, I’m full of “it.” Then again, i don’t know why I would be surprised. It‘s likely not the first time you’ve denied something when you’ve been given plenty of evidence to support the contrary.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:17pmHey MOD
You claim you are respectful when you are face to face with all your Christian “friends”.
But yet you are seldom, if ever respectful here on the Blaze.
Why is that I wonder?
Because you can speak your true feelings here without alienating your friends and getting kicked out of their house?
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:30pmYou lead a remarkable life there MOD.
Can’t go a day? Really?
Funny…….other that what I see and read here, and when I am at Church with like minded folks, I can literally go months on end out in public, without a single person ever mentioning or pushing anything God, or religion related on me. And I‘l bet I’m not alone in that statement.
Methinks you go out of your way to “find” perceived offenses behind every door.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 2:56pmhey mod, you ran out of that other thread without listing all the governmnet programs you would cut, given you are such a ‘fiscal conservative’
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:31pm@RUSH
He always runs out.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 4:11pm“He always runs out.”
LOL yeah libs tend to post their talking points and take off….
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Posted on January 31, 2012 at 4:35pm@THERIGHTSOFBILLY
No, I will occasionally question their beliefs and they are actually kind people who don’t plug their ears or go back to the talking points they get from their Bible. They also know I‘m an atheist and don’t hate me for that or teach their kids to hate me as many here on the Blaze have said they plan to do with their children.
Onto your “argument.” I had a friend flat out say that prayer and scripture should be considered on public policy and I went into great lengths on how that is a horrible idea. I had a friend point out that his belief in God is both faith based and fact based. I then spent some time explaining why that isn’t possible, to which he denied. Shocker
Fact is, I love my friends very much and their children very much. I care more for the life of my friends children then I do my own life.
@Rush
Which topic is that and what does cutting federal programs have to do with my personal fiscal conservatism? I think a lot of problems could be erased if people solved the issues on a personal level.
Sorry that I don’t reply to every response. Sometimes I forget I’m talking in a certain topic, and sometimes I just don’t care to respond; while other times I get tired of hearing the same remedial arguments over and over so I don’t bother responding.
I’m amazed that when I stupidly type “hahahaha” to a post about religion, it somehow gets a ton of responses. Apparently I’m saying something of substance to get so
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 5:37pmIt’s OK MOD,
We really don’t ever expect an honest, cogent, on topic response from you. You have your method of propagandizing down to a science.
You are a machine my friend. You pick one small snippet of a comment and twist it in to a long, tortured explanation of one of your talking points without ever actually addressing or answering the question.
You ignored my comment that you are respectful of your “friends” beliefs, but are not respectful here. WHY?
I called BS on your claim that you can not go a single day without someone forcing the religion on you, and you come back with one lame anecdote about some “friend” and his attempt to move us in to that imaginary “Theocracy” that you claim to be protecting us from.
Your words sound an awful lot like those of Frank Zappa. You even use the same phrases MOD.
Back in 1986 he was preaching the horrors of the soon to be upon us “THEOCRACY”
Where is it MOD? 26 years later and no where to be found.
Have you been eating that “Yellow snow” again MOD.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 6:04pmOh and MOD,
I am going to ask you to provide proof of the “Blazers” that have said they will teach their children to hate you.
I have been following your career here rather closely Mod, a fact you can well attest to.
I have not ever seen that comment, or anything even close to it directed at you.
I have seen people, (myself included), call you an idiot, or a moron at times, but it is usually in response to one of your unprovoked attacks on their faith.
Now, prove your claim, or STHU
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Posted on January 31, 2012 at 7:31pm@Billy
I’m flattered that you follow me so closely. Unless you’re your God, you can’t be everywhere, so you missing someone saying, “Don’t worry, I will teach my children to hate you” is irrelevant. You seem like a reasonable person so I will just assume you didn‘t post on that article or legitimately just didn’t see it.
Does the Blaze have a search function where I can easily search my posts? The only thing I see is the “10 most recent posts” and if that is the only method, it doesn’t seem very plausible for me to find the post. I went to the “faith” section and the last article they have on there is where the atheist girl says “I’m defending their constitution too” and I know the claim I am making was uttered before then.
So barring a miracle(ha), I wont’ be able to provide proof that someone said that to me(I don’t even remember who said it) but in the end, it doesn’t really matter. It is a very specific claim that I am making and have uttered on here before. I may have given the impression that I think all believers think that way, but I know it’s not true and am not claiming you feel that way either. What would it prove if I was able to show you who said it? Would you disavow them, or say they don’t speak for you? It is irrelevant to me what you think or how you feel about what the person said. I was merely making a point that I had someone on here say they would indoctrinate their kids to hate me.
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Posted on January 31, 2012 at 7:45pmThere is indoctrination everywhere and I‘ve never said there wasn’t. I always just pointed out the hypocrisy of Christians on here who cry “indoctrination” over things taught in school, when they then indoctrinate their kids from an extremely early age to believe there is a God, and that they have to believe in him, or they’ll suffer an eternity of torture in hell.
I have told my friends how I feel, in very similar terms here. People on here are the ones who choose to get offended because I explain simply on here that if you believe Jesus had to die for your sins, that you are pro human sacrifice. Or that God is the ultimate abortionist of all time because he gives babies to women he knows will get an abortion. Either admit that, or admit your God isn’t all knowing. I’m FINE with either answer.
The fact is, I can’t go a day without turning on the TV, or reading a message board post, or seeing a youtube clip, or go over to a friends house, or go on facebook without people talking about God, and how great and wonderful he is, and how wretched humans are and we messed everything up.
Let’s not to mention the legislation that we have passed, or the wars we have fought strictly due to someone’s religious beliefs.
Again, I could really care less if you choose to accept my examples. What you think is irrelevant to me just like what I think of you shouldn’t be relevant to you. But as you said yourself, you’ve followed my postings on here closely. I w
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 10:56pmHey MOD,
What wars have we fought that were strictly due to someone’s religious beliefs?
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Posted on February 1, 2012 at 2:38am@Billy
I’m going off reports that Bush said he went into Iraq because God told him to. Those reports could be wrong, only George W. Bush knows.
Read up on Reagan and his views on the end times, and who he held defense briefings for.
Newt Gingrich clearly said in the last debate he wants(and would be) a President that consults prayer on big matters.
I believe Rick Perry, Michelle Bachmann and Hermain Cain all said that they felt some higher calling to run for office.
Bachmann, “”Well, every decision that I make, I pray about, as does my husband, and I can tell you, yes, I’ve had that calling and that tugging on my heart that this is the right thing to do,” Bachmann said.”
Cain, “”That’s when I prayed and prayed and prayed. I’m a man of faith — I had to do a lot of praying for this one, more praying than I’ve ever done before in my life,” Cain said. “And when I finally realized that it was God saying that this is what I needed to do, I was like Moses. ‘You’ve got the wrong man, Lord. Are you sure?’”"
What happened Cain? I thought your God would be with you and your wife through all of the attacks. If America is in as bad shape as you say it is, isn‘t your country important enough to withstand the attacks ESPECIALLY if they’re untrue?
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Posted on February 1, 2012 at 2:56amPerry, “Texas Gov. Rick Perry said that the challenges faced by his presidential campaign had strengthened his spiritual life, telling South Carolina voters on Monday he knew God had never promised him he would win the GOP nomination.”
So when you “call BS” that I can’t go a day without getting religion shoved in my face, simply think about the candidates we are choosing to be the President of our country.
One who believes in a religion founded less than 200 years ago that was formed by an obvious conman.
And three who believe human sacrifice is moral…..as long as it’s Jesus.
I‘m sorry if I don’t want a President that talks to himself and then gets a “feeling” and then makes public policy based on those feelings.
Look at Santorum and his lack of appeal except in die-hard Christian states. He’s obviously the most religious guy on the stage yet he only gets major support in the most backward states. If any candidate is the “God” candidate, it is obviously him. Thinking birth control is immoral and talks of “civil law comporting to higher law” yet you have people like Palin endorsing Newt.
Maybe it’s because people have seen enough of the “God” candidate, and actually want someone who will think rationally when making the toughest decisions? Who knows.
It will be a great sight when someone doesn’t have to proclaim their belief in a God to get a nomination for President.
Anyways, I’ve made my peace, farewell on this topic.
Report Post »South Philly Boy
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:18pmCommunist are coming out of the WOODWORK
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:42pmNo………they are coming out of the landfills.
Report Post »Jenny Lind
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:13pmThis has gone from disagreement to a full blown war against belief. Another front to the war against thpse who know God exists. Nothing they do or say will change my mind and heart- I just smile and think how sad for them. However, if they keep this up and I have to, I will push back.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:12pmUh, most religions don’t view babies as precious.
They view them as sick and worthy of an eternal torture, and need to believe in a savior to be saved from that eternal torture.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:16pmYour screenname is a misnomer..there’s no “moderation” in anything you said.
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Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:20pmI didn‘t say they don’t have a right to think that way. Just sadly, that’s how they think, which is why they start “teaching/indoctrinating” their kid in their religion at such a young age.
They feel that they have to save their kid’s soul from an eternity of torture, which if you believe in original sin, every person has.
Report Post »Rightsofman
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:21pmWhat???
Report Post »Kaoscontrol
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:24pmThat’s PART of the truth MODERATIONISBEST– But because God is LOVE he paid the price so we don’t have to go through that eternal torture. The good news is not just “You’re Screwed”… it’s “You’re screwed but God has redeemed you.” Why you atheists exclude that part of the equation escapes me.
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Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:32pm@KAOSCONTROL
You missed the point, though I’m glad you admitted that you view children as born worthy of hell and an eternal torture. Some people are so brainwashed that they actually refuse to believe that they must view a child that way if they are religious.
The point you make about Jesus is IRRELEVANT because the fact that you view babies that way is disgusting and immoral.
The fact that ANYONE could look at a newborn baby and say, “yeah that adorable bundle of joy is born worthy of an eternal torture” is beyond me and I can’t fathom how religion has claimed a moral high ground.
You also don‘t take into account people who DON’T accept Jesus like oh…..all of the atheists, Jews, Muslims, Pagans, Buddhists, and other religions.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:39pmMornin’ MOD
Assuming that you are unemployed…… when, and if you try to decide on a career path, let me offer this tidbit of advice………
Do not go in to SALES.
Report Post »DeavonReye
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:02pmThat’s right, Billy, . . . because a lot of people are often sold on knee jerk sales pitches that may not even be the actual truth.
I prefer to buy things from those who give up the actual truth.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:12pmDEAVONREYE says:
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:02pm
“That’s right, Billy, . . . because a lot of people are often sold on knee jerk sales pitches that may not even be the actual truth.”
You mean like democrat voters?
If so, I agree completely.
Report Post »DeavonReye
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 1:41pmSure, . . . democratic voters can be placed in that category.
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Posted on January 31, 2012 at 3:51pm@DEAVONRYE
So who exactly do you “buy” from, and how do you determine if they are indeed giving you the “actual truth”?
Report Post »DeavonReye
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 4:49pmIt is a good question, Billy. I look at the available information, weight the outcomes, and determine which one is correct.
As for the “god issue”, I have no idea if there are any gods or goddesses “out there”. Though I find it quite telling that each religion expects you to have “faith” [not all, . . ex. Bhuddism]. I can’t rule it out, but until I have ample evidence that what “the salesperson” is expecting me to beleive about their product, I need more than just “kind words”. In christianity, there are many “kind things”. But [again] weighing it all together, I just cannot buy it.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 5:47pm@DEAVONRYE
To each his own my friend.
But since you just can not buy it?…………well, then I assume you will also not be wanting the buyer protection program.
Peace
Report Post »DeavonReye
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 6:28pmJust because the protection racket is in force, doesn‘t make it an ethical system anymore than the Mob Boss who will break my legs if I don’t give him protection money.
Peace, indeed.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 8:04pmThaaaaaaats more like it.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:12pmI disagree with the whole premise. I think all men (and women) are born with a belief in a higher power.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:14pmThat leads no evidence to whether or not there is a higher power, much less a specific higher power(Christianity, Islam, Zeus, etc).
Report Post »I.Gaspar
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:30pmModeration:
Report Post »You are proof of a lower power.
ModerationIsBest
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:32pmNice argument.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:37pmRead the billboard Moderation, that’s the premise I disagree with. There is no definative proof of God. That is why it’s called faith,.
Report Post »I.Gaspar
Posted on January 31, 2012 at 12:38pmsorry…don’t argue with idiots.
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