Banning Mosques? Colo. State Senator’s Remarks Have CAIR Outraged
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Kevin Grantham (Photo via the Huffington Post)
Colorado State Senator Kevin Grantham got on the wrong side of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) after expressing interest in following the lead of Dutch parliamentarian Geert Wilders when it comes to erecting new mosques.
Wilders recently said at the Western Conservative Summit in Denver, according to the Colorado Statesman:
“My view, in a nutshell, is that Islam, rather than a religion, is predominantly a totalitarian ideology striving for world dominance… I believe that Islam and freedom are incompatible.
“I do not have a problem with Muslims…There are many moderate Muslims. I always make a distinction between the people and the ideology. There are indeed many moderate Muslims. But believe me, there is no such thing as a moderate Islam — there is only one Islam, and that is a dangerous, totalitarian ideology that is intolerant, that is violent, that should not be tolerated by us but that should be contained.” [Emphasis added]
Most significantly, according to reports, Wilders remarked:
“More Islam means more intolerance, more Sharia and less freedom… We must stop immigration from Islamic countries, we must expel criminal immigrants, we must forbid the construction of new mosques. There is enough Islam in the West already.” [Emphasis added]
Geert Wilders (Photo: AP)
After the Wilders speech, Grantham reportedly expressed an interest in considering the same measures in Colorado.
The state senator told the Colorado Statesman:
“You know, we’d have to hear more on that, because, as (Wilders) said, mosques are not churches like we would think of churches… They think of mosques more as a foothold into a society, as a foothold into a community, more in the cultural and in the nationalistic sense. Our churches, we don’t feel that way, they’re places of worship, and mosques are simply not that, and we need to take that into account when approving construction of those.”
And Grantham’s comments predictably drew the ire of the CAIR.
“The only news is that it’s no longer news that a Republican lawmaker spews anti-Muslim bigotry,” said Ibrahim Hooper, the organization’s communications director.
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He also added that Wilders is not a “controversial figure,“ but ”a straight-up bigot.”
“There’s no controversy about it. Yet he’s invited everywhere. He’s on Fox with Hannity. It’s sad but it’s not news that Republicans [like Grantham] embrace him,” Hooper said.
He continued:
“Where do they get the information?… It’s this perfect storm of Islamophobia. The Tea Party voters watching the population of the United States change. White people becoming a minority. You see it in the absurd accusations that President Obama is a Muslim.”
While, like Wilders said, there are countless moderate Muslims, there is certainly a strong streak of world-dominance among the religion’s more extreme adherents.
The current prime minister of Turkey once wrote a poem, according to the BBC, that seemingly summarizes the concerns of men like Geert Wilders and Kevin Grantham.
It reads: “The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets, and the faithful our soldiers.”
This post has been updated.
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Comments (267)
BeingThere
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:12pmRight on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:30pmQue JZS to tell us all his insights on how we should care about CAIR and how he doesn’t care for us.
Report Post »Michelle44
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:40pmRight on the money with this one,., but U know as well as I do,, THis will not stop the Muslims..
Report Post »How about the Man who shot up the army camp,, the Doctor who is Muslim receiving 6,000 dollars a month by our US gov’t,, the poor veterans do not even get that,, they can’t even get health care,, Shame on this country for forgetting and spitting on their own,, I wish the damn socolists/communists would move to the already impoverished nations instead of ruining OUR COUNTRY,,,
Ps the man getting the 6 grande, should be SHOT for treason..
Detroit paperboy
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:49pmDitto !
Report Post »VanceUppercut
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:56pmNo, but seriously folks, we should care about CAIR and I don’t really care for you.
Report Post »antiprogressive
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:56pmI agree with this guy.
Seeing what their IDEOLOGY is, it really doesn’t fall under the heading of a church as we know it.
There are numerous videos of radical groups destroying Europe right now.
It is happening everyday.
Massive infiltration and procreation to take over the world.
But as far as “normal” churches go, there are many here in America that spew LOTS of hatred at numerous things.
Gays, whites, blacks, other religions, and many many more subjects.
As far as I am concerned any “church” that spews ANY type of hatred should lose their tax exempt status. This goes for ALL churches.
Preach peace love etc or realize it is another IDEOLOGICAL orginazation – not a church.
Rev. Wright comes to mind but there are LOTS of others.
Report Post »StonyBurk
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 5:10pmIsn’t Grantham always being portrayed as a controversial byt he leftists and by their already captured press? On this subject i most certainly agree with him 110%And with this Geert Wilders as well.
Report Post »CAIR is a terrorist front. It is NOT American any more than our Muslim Brotherhood President who desires to Change America by destroying America.
jblaze
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 5:18pmWHO CARES about CAIR!!!! It’s about time we throw all the bums out!
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 5:18pmThis is truly disgusting and hateful rhetoric. Do we not live in the land of the free?
Report Post »chips1
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 6:09pmFree also means knowledge. That includes sharing information about common enemies.
Report Post »quarando
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 6:32pmNo, Islam is by every definition a religion. The fact that this guy thinks he can take away people’s first amendment rights is as un-American as it comes. He makes Obama look like Thomas Jefferson.
Anybody agreeing with this sentiment is in direct opposition to the Constitution and clearly hates America.
Report Post »booger71
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 6:40pmI can walk into any protestant, catholic church or synagogue, and sit and listen to what is preached or even record it. You can’t do it in a mosque,if you try you will be escorted out. They get tax breaks for being a so called church, we should schedule some “flash mobs” to visit them.
Report Post »Leavon
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 7:13pmIslam is NOT by every definition a Religion and saying it three times doesn’t make it fact. I freely interpret Islam as a Political Ideology and not a Religion. Islam is based on the ravings of a self described pedophile and is a road map for infiltrating a country and taking it over by any means possible and the sooner we get Islam out of this country and every other western nation the better. We can not stick our heads in the sand or listen to the apologists and appeasers on this, we need to get every Muslim out of this country immediately.
Report Post »SnowKalBebes
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 7:14pmIn the words of the patriotic, constitution-loving sheeple, “It’s freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion”. Unless your a muslim….the hypocrisy is amazing
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 8:31pm@QUARANDO
We must win the war on the battlefield of ideas.
Even Jesus let people believe in what they wanted to (and He still does).
If you want to stop the spread of Islam, convert them.
If they break the law, prosecute them.
We do not have a place for Shari’a law here, we have the Constitution – and it guarantees the freedom of religion.
I am afraid of no man’s beliefs. If their actions threaten to take away my liberty, we have laws.
Report Post »Wolfgang the Gray
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 8:38pm“Where do they get the information?… It’s this perfect storm of Islamophobia.”
Where do we get our information? How about HISTORY? Why where the US Marines created? Because Islamic pirates were attacking our ships and holding the crews hostage. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War
In March 1785, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to London to negotiate with Tripoli’s envoy, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman (or Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). Upon inquiring “concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury”, the ambassador replied:
“It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy’s ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once.”
We know the truth about Islam from their own tongue 227 years ago. I don’t care one lick what CAIR says in their propaganda. Geert Wilders is correct and the sooner the US understands that, the better. The alternative will be the destruction of the Constitution and the establishment of Sharia in thi
Report Post »mrsuperpat
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 9:00pmBut,but,but what about diversity? It’s what the globalists want.Nevermind the thousand years of National borders the world has had dividing people, religions, and cultures because it worked unless there neighbors became ambitious. America is a melting pot but that doesn’t mean people should not have a common language, common respect, and common goals. Islam is a political system that contradicts the constitution. Why must this country have ever expanding immigration? Thats not what the founders envisioned. But I guess third world diversity is what everyone wants.
Report Post »historyguy48
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 9:28pmComrade quarando the constitution isn’t a suicide pact. As was amptly demostrated about a week ago, it’s little more that toilet paper, so stop crying about some Muslim nut jobs rights!
Report Post »Perhaps you don’t know that you are an infidel. Perhaps you don’t know what that means to a Muslim. If you do know then you might want to check your logic circuit because it’s out of wack.
Personally I believe in doing unto others before they can do unto me. What’s in your local mosque, they found automatic rifles in the one within two miles of where I live.
Oh yes, should i mention the bomb vests?
Chet Hempstead
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 12:07amEven if all the loonies who try to claim that the religious rights of Muslims shouldn’t be protected because Islam isn’t really a religion were right, which they’re not, but even if they were right about that, Muslims would still have the right of free assembly, which is meant especially to protect political groups, including those whose views are unpopular, so they would still have the right to use property that they own as a Mosque.
Report Post »Lamarr01
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 3:53amThe oath of citizenship contains:
I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic
Sharia is advocating, teaching or attempting the overthrow of the government of the United States of America and is rebellion or insurrection punishable by a fine or imprisonment for not more than twenty years.
Rebellion or insurrection is not protected by the First Amendment.
Report Post »Callie369
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 3:57am““I do not have a problem with Muslims…There are many moderate Muslims. I always make a distinction between the people and the ideology”
First of all, this idiot should study up on muslims/islam.
What a lot of people do not understand is WHAT A MUSLIM IS. ANYONE can be a muslim….white, black, yellow, red, or polka-ditted. A muslim is simply someone who believes in ISLAM. Just like being a catholic is someone who adheres to catholicism.
Unfortunately, the majority of those who have joined this CULT, come far eastern countries. They have spread out and are causing problems from Russia to Great Britain, to Australia. Eventually, they will be causing MORE trouble in the U.S. Their goal is to rule the world.
In the U.S. anyone who objects to radical islam is called islamaphobic and racist. Dumbama has made it clear since taking office where HIS loyalty lays……and it is NOT with the U.S. I really believe that bankrupting this country will make it much easier for the muslims to take over. Defense costs money and Dumbama is doing everything he can to destroy our military might.
Mosques are breeding grounds for radical islamists…..and don’t let anyone fool you into thinking otherwise. ALL MOSQUES should be banned. It is NOT a religion. It is a cult started by a sexual pervert in 621 AD. It is cruel, as most cults are. We don’t need muslims in the U.S. and should start sending them ALL back where they came from. American muslims can g
Report Post »StonyBurk
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 7:53amthe left and their already captured press have prefixed Mr.Grantham with the title “controversial”.
Report Post »Thus they can justify their ignorance of the truth. Sadly I no longer have enough faith in Colorado
politics to entertain any possibility Mr.Grantham will be considered–Nor this Mr.Wilders –but we live
in a time when Truth is reviled and evil is called good.
PATTY HENRY
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 11:59am2100 Mosques now in USA. Funded by SAUDIS. 53,000 s.f. mosque in the middle of our country for no more than 300 families. Look for it to be a weapons depot. Why are we allowing this threat in the USA? THIS IS NOT A FAITH. THIS IS AN OPPOSITE – to- our – USA – Constitution Ideology. Good for Congressman !!
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 12:00pmCorrection: State Senator.
Report Post »G-WHIZ
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 2:18pmHow dare thee remove our 100%Jihadd-training-facillities which are designed to look like churches!!
Report Post »stablepar
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:58pmditto
Report Post »Anamah
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 5:59pmIslamist seem ridicule but they are not kidding!!! They need to be stopped as soon we can and in all infiltrated areas. And yes!! We must close immigration to that kind of culture.
Report Post »craigcolorado
Posted on July 19, 2012 at 2:19amI personally know Kevin and he is not a bigot in any way shape or form. He is just coming to the same conclusion an objective person studying the facts would come to! And I would like to tell him I am no dummy and tired of politically correct speech as I’m sure many Americans are. So refreshing to hear a politician call it as he see’s it!
Report Post »red_white_blue2
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:10pmI say lets put it to a vote in this country and see how many agree with him. But you have to have the balls to state your name like he does. That way the Muslims will have something to really bitch about when they have an entire country against them. Then lets freakin go to war with. Their not going to stop until there is blood, so let’s give it to them and get this the Freak over with!!!
Report Post »JRook
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:27pmDon’t ya think we are having trouble enough with Afghanistan. I mean they have 10 year old Russian guns, sticks and a bunch of stones.
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 5:20pmFortunately in this country people’s rights are not subject to a vote. Take your hateful nonsense somewhere else.
Report Post »chips1
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 6:24pmThe “peoples rights” are up for a vote in November.
Report Post »TheEDGE
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:08pmDamn. I want another son just so I can name him Geert.
Report Post »stablepar
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 5:04pmhandle cair very carefully. imho they take no prisoners. note i didn’t say handle them with fear
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:07pmAgreed.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:27pmWhere is your constitutional rant about the freedom of religion. Or is that just your religion.
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:44pmJROOK – “The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets, and the faithful our soldiers.” Does that sound like a religion of peace and worship?
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 5:30pmAnd, right on que, the Leftist Lemmings like JROOK suddenly come out of the woodwork as Religion’s biggest Champions. Right up until they are asked to read the Declaration of Independence or recite the Pledge of Allegiance. Then, not so much.
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 7:33pm@JROOK My one word post you commented on was meant for DIVINEPROVIDENCE1776 it was put out of order by the blaze but if you scroll down you’ll see my position on this matter.
Report Post »garbagecanlogic
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:04pmLets hear a great big “hoo rah” for Mr. Grantham. We need more like him. To hell with cair, they can go back to the far east.
Praise Be To Obama. Psalm 109:8
The U.S. Out Of The U.N.
Report Post »The U.N. Out Of The U.S.
variable51
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:02pmMethinks that perhaps Mr. Hooper protesteth too much?
Report Post »jzs
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:25pmYet another Tea Party members who would shred the First Amendment along with the rest of the US Constitution.
I think the guy should go into a mosque sometime and talk to a real Muslim about their beliefs. Then he could talk to Pastor Terry Jones about what it means to be a good Christian.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:38pmYet oddly, no mention of him being part of any given “tea party”. Nice smear though J.
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:45pmJZS – Have you read the Koran?
Report Post »jzs
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 5:06pmGhost, thanks.
NHWINTER, have you read the Bible?
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 5:38pmJZS,
Have you read the Bible?
And better yet…….why are you asking someone else if they have read the Bible?
Report Post »REETZBEE
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:01pmI‘ve been saying we’ve got to stop all this Mosque building for years. We need to ban CAIR too! Islam wants to kill us and all we’re doing is making it easier for them to move in our neighborhoods.
Report Post »Godfather.1
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 5:16pmIt’s quite funny comparing the comments on this page to the comments on the article about the guy getting put in jail because he refused to comply with with zoning codes and built a church on his property.
You all were up in arms about how his freedom of religion was being infringed because the applicable zoning codes didn’t allow him to build a church on his property, or any other group gathering center for that matter.
Now, all you hypocrites are saying that we should outlaw Mosques and deport all Muslim, because, you know, that wouldn’t infringe on freedom of religion, would it?
You all claim to be small government, constitutional loving patriots when in fact, you all want a large government to police the stuff you don’t like, even if it directly infringes the First Amendment. You like the First Amendment when you think it supports you, even when you are incorrect, but claim that it doesn’t apply to Muslims because you think they are all evil.
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 5:59pmGODFATHER once again, gives us a textbook example of a Leftist using the fallacious defense mechanism of Projection. They’ll tell you in specific, detailed terms EXACTLY what they themselves are actually guilty of doing by falsely claiming the Right is doing it or wanting to do it. Here, GODFATHER just admitted to the Left’s obvious and constant, “…(C)laiming to be small government, constitutional loving patriots when in fact, (they) all want a large government to police the stuff (they) don’t like, even if it directly infringes the First Amendment. (They) like the First Amendment when (they) think it supports (them), even when (they) are incorrect,”. Thank you, GODFATHER, for being such a useful teaching tool.
Report Post »Godfather.1
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 6:29pm@MODEL82A1
Bravo, sir, bravo.
I see you have cleverly utilized the “I know you are but what am I” defense.
Hats off to you. It must have taken you years of study to concoct such a profound response.
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 6:44pmGODFATHER, only took me as long as my limited typing skills allowed to expose you. Again I thank you for being such a useful tool.
Report Post »Veteran Patriot
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 6:54pm@Godfather
Report Post »Thanks for your mocking response to Model, another standard liberal response.Excuse me, your ignorance is showing.
How many times do these people have to declare war on the US before you libs begin to hear them? What you say in support of building mosques is akin to saying we should have let the Nazis build bases of operation here during WW II, both very bad ideas. Now we ARE letting a culture who has sworn our destruction build their bases here. What’s wrong with this picture?
VanceUppercut
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:59pmAnd don’t give me that “They don’t allow churches to be built in Saudi Arabia” bullcrap. Yes, that’s the difference between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia, we DON”T discriminate about what religious houses can be built. Also, if you hate Saudi Arabia so much, maybe you should ask Dubya and his daddy why they are such great friends with the Saudis.
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:12pmVANCE, so is being, “great friends with the Saudis” a good thing or a bad thing? Don’t hurt yourself as you tie yourself into pretzel answering that.
Report Post »lisa2994
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:18pmTake a look and really read the stories about what is happening in Europe, Africa etc…. Makes perfect sense to most american citizens! We do not want that happening here!!!!
Report Post »VanceUppercut
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:26pm@MODEL82A1
I never implied that it was a good thing. I merely pointed out that it‘s ridiculous for people to use the fact that SA doesn’t allow Christian churches to be built as an excuse to say that the U.S. shouldn’t allow Mosques to be built. it’s a faulty argument to say that we should behave the same way an unelected monarchy does, and somehow this will “save our freedom” (???). I also pointed out that all these Cons who point out how bad SA is seem to forget that the man they elected twice to the White House is a friend of those people who they think are so evil.
Report Post »Nepenthe
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:27pmBeing friends ith Audi Arabia is a bad thing. They are one of the worst human rights abusers on the planet, and provided the majority of terrorists on 9/11.
Report Post »DEMOCRATS.ARE.EVIL
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 6:07pmThe mosques are being built as meeting centers for Muslims intent on working towards the destruction of this country. You’re an ignorant tool or willing dupe to believe otherwise. Ignorant tool? Willing dupe? Yes, other names for Democrats. People like VANCEUPPERCUT secretly cheered when they heard the news out of Fort Hood.
Report Post »Silversmith
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 8:19pmThe Senator is correct, as is Wilder. Over 90% of the worlds armed conflicts are with Islam. Is the world intolerant of poor Islam, or is Islam trying to take over the world? I know what I think. How about you?
Silversmith
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 10:31pmThey’re a theocracy-we’re not.But good luck all you anti muslim genocidists-as you dream your genocidal dreams -the muslims walk freely in full muslim garb and if you lay a hand on one you’ll be arressted for a hate crime!They gave us some blowback for our unjust meddling-our religion had nothing to do with their attacks against us.And when we invade-they fight back .oh my!How dare they!
Report Post »Tri-ox
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:57pmOf course we should ban mosques (terrorist training centers) – AND we should ban islam’s CAIR and all terrorist organizations on American soil – WE ARE AT WAR with the death-cult of islam – we must not allow the enemy to gain more of a foothold in OUR country. Perhaps when islamic-sleeper-agent obama is removed from power, we can get back to the business of protecting America.
Report Post »historyguy48
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:07pmComrade, such hate! Islam is a religion of peace, Dear Leader has said so repeatedly. Of course his lip were moving when he said that so he was lying, but he did say it!
Report Post »There is a Mosque not to far from where I live. There aren’t many people ever in the Mosque but its there!
yanki161
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:56pmFinally! A man of courage.
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:53pmPersonally, I welcome Muslim outrage. To the point that I look forward to the day when one personally directs his “outrage” at me in a physically threatening manner.
Report Post »SREGN
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:59pmOutrage, smoutrage. They’re always outraged about something. if you identify yourself as muslim you should automatically be forced to attend anger management classes. Serenity now, Frank.
Report Post »Thomas_Jefferson
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:06pmIslam is not a religion, Islam is a totalitarian form of government with mysticism added.
Report Post »America already has a government, A Democratic Republic.
Mosques are nothing more than anchor for a infiltrating foreign government.
All mosques should be shut down & banned.
kalli
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:53pmGod bless both Grantham and Wilders for their standing up to this evil culture. It needs to be exposed throughout every state with laws made to keep it at bay. These people hate America and are constantly telling us the flag of islam will fly over the White House. Well, people, it already is! This country will fall unless its gov’t is cleaned up from the wickedness, corruption, and evilness that has permeated it. And cair should be sent packing along with the UN…both evil to the core and trying to take America down.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:52pmSo the consensus then is that freedom and Christianity cannot stand on their own merits and we must thus use force of law to bolster obviously weaker, by inference, ideas?
Explain this to me please? I dislike Islam, but I believe letting them spout their hate and ignorance is the best way to demonstrate their impotence. Ban them and you automatically validate them and give them some level of “ooooh, forbidden fruit”. When will people learn?
Report Post »TSUNAMI-22
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:09pmWhy do you dislike Islam?
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:26pmMy own personal dislike of something is not an excuse to advocate violating the 1st Amendment.
The moment y’all figure out how to ban mosques, the atheist contingent, who always have the judges in their back pockets, will shut down all Christian churches within a year’s time.
You have to think of the unintended consequences of rash, chest thumping bravado, should your wishes come to pass.
Report Post »VanceUppercut
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:50pm“My own personal dislike of something is not an excuse to advocate violating the 1st Amendment.”
That’s what (most) Cons don’t understand: just because you don’t like something, that doesn’t mean there oughtta be a law against it.
Report Post »TSUNAMI-22
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 5:45pmI don’t consider Islam to be a religion in the typical spirit of the word. I feel, like many others, that Islam is a totalitarian political con bent on the destruction of western civilization and our current way of life only to replace it with itself. Islam means to conquer anything different than itself.
If you’re o.k. with that kind of a potential end-result even if it comes from following the 1st Amendment blindly without properly considering the consequences to the Constitutional Republic it was meant for then that choice is yours, not mine.
The difference between Islam and the 1st Amendment is that “religion” benefits from the separation from church and state. With Islamic law Islam IS the state.
Practice Islam some place else. Australia figured this out, so can we.
Report Post »Komponist-ZAH
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:32amTsunami—
Okay then, let‘s assume that Islam isn’t a religion; even then banning mosque construction would be a violation of property rights.
Report Post »SGinNC
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:50pmI say we allow Islam into our country, when Saudi Arabia and other countries allow Christians into their country, and where they do exist in the middle east stop burning, blowing up and murdering them.
Report Post »variable51
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:03pmWell said Sir, well said! ;-)
Report Post »Nepenthe
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:20pmYes, because imitating an incredibly human-rights abusing nation like Saudi Arabia is a good think.
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:50pmThe first amendment gives them their freedom of religion,that doesn’t mean there has to be a mosque on every corner.We are a regulation nation and I’m sure some politician can think of a way to regulate them,reduce their numbers and keep from building more,regulation is the key here.
Report Post »DIVINEPROVIDENCE1776
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:01pmI completely agree with you. This could open up a can of worms, especially for Christian churches and it’s enemies i.e atheists We should however go after those mosques that funnel their money to terrorist organizations. They are only fronts for evil.
Report Post »MAMMY_NUNN
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:18pmThe enemy has learned well use our own laws to sheild themselves with our laws and it works.
Report Post »Nepenthe
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:30pmSo, even though your user name is ‘progressiveslayer’, you actually do not believe in limited government, since your proposal increases the size and power of government.
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 7:27pm@NEPENTHE On the contrary I detest ALL regulations because I believe the majority of them are unconstitutional,but since the government has that power they should use it on Muslims,abuse them like our government abuses us.
Report Post »tothepoint
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:49pmThose who have studied Islam understand the danger it poses to our country, the Constitution, and Americans of other faiths.
Report Post »They should not be permitted to live here because their intent is to bring down our country.
Nepenthe
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:26pmUnited States Citizens should not be permitted to live in the United States? Or are you proposing a religious test for citizenship, something that would be utterly revolting to our founding fathers?
Report Post »IMCHRISTIAN
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:49pmI will embrace all religions that embrace all living people with kindness and love not hate. God bless America.
Report Post »HKS
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:49pmSounds good to me, we know what they do there.
Report Post »Nepenthe
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:24pmYes, the millions live peacfully next door, hoping that no one is going to alter the 1st amendment of the constitution and outlaw the practice of their religion.
Report Post »NOT A CRAZY
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:48pmSCREW CAIR and the camels they rode in on.
Report Post »VanceUppercut
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:54pmNope, there’s no racism here.
Report Post »DimmuBorgir
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:06pm@VANCE
there are alot of camels in the middle east. Describing a mode of transportation is hardly racist.
If he had called them camel-f*kers well, it’s still accurate but you could say that it was racist.
Report Post »MAMMY_NUNN
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:21pmNope, there’s no racism here just selective scrutiny.
Report Post »VanceUppercut
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:28pm@DimmuBorgir
Oh okay, so I guess it would be okay to draw a picture of a Sambo-looking character eating a slice of watermelon, and put it up in your window.. If anyone complains, just tell them that a lot of black people DO like watermelon, so it’s not racist at all.
Report Post »VanceUppercut
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:41pm@DimmuBorgir
Huh??? Hypocrisy? I think I made a valid point. Whether your name is Sambo and you like watermelon is irrelevant to my argument; I’m sure somewhere there IS someone named Sambo who likes watermelon. The point I was making is that using that fact as a defense for creating such a caricature is a weak defense. Yes, there are Arabs who ride camels, but to reference camels in a story about Islam apropos of nothing is clearly meant to be taken only one way, and that’s in a racist way.
Report Post »chips1
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 6:40pmIslam isn’t a race. It’s a goal.
Report Post »mike_trivisonno
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:48pmWe should all support those elected representatives who will stand up to Jihad and work diligently to reduce the amount of Islamic influence wherever possible. And this includes the open encouragement of self-deortation for muslims residing on American soil.
As Geert Wilders says, “We need less Islam, not more.”
Muslims across the land should cheer these actions and accept them or get out of the county.
Report Post »forthepeople
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:46pmMost are HATE FILLED, glad he is telling it like it is !
Report Post »VanceUppercut
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:52pm“Most are HATE FILLED” …said the man with a gun in his avatar pic.
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:44pmphobia – means irrational fear – there is nothing irrational about having a realistic fear of the threat of Islam, sharia and all that it entails
Report Post »DimmuBorgir
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:52pmI wasn’t afraid of them when I was unloading my M-16, 2 tours in Iraq baby
Report Post »DimmuBorgir
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:01pmum… none
im not a rapist
I guess i’m just confused…what the hell are you talking about??
Report Post »MAMMY_NUNN
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:25pm@ VanceUppercut
Report Post »That was disgusting and offensive perhaps you should be the one raped.
kaydeebeau
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 10:01pm@ Dimm… I think you mus be on the wrong comment…. :)
Report Post »Hickory
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:44pmOutlaw Mosques and remove all reference to Islam from schools. No Muslim is to be trusted. After all, their Qur’an tells them to kill us.
Report Post »VanceUppercut
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:52pm@Hickory
And your Bible tells you so stone your children to death if they disrespect you, and that it’s okay to take “girl children” as sex slaves in war. Jesus is love!
Report Post »DimmuBorgir
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:00pmYou’re such a dumba$$
first of all which religion are you going after?? Jews with the torah or Christians with the new testament cause if you actually read the bible. You‘d see there’s a big difference after the Son is born.
it’s alright just go back to your atheist ways of mocking religion instead of studying it.
Report Post »TSUNAMI-22
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:07pm@ VanceUppercut
And your Bible tells you so stone your children to death if they disrespect you, and that it’s okay to take “girl children” as sex slaves in war.
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Site the passage. Or does the musloyd Muhammad forbid you to do so?
VanceUppercut
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:12pm@DimmuBorgir
If I’m not mistaken (I don’t feel like looking it up right now), the part of the bible that says man should not lay with another man is the same part that says you should stone your kids to death. So, I guess we just get to pick and choose what we ignore in the bible, huh?
Report Post »BetterInformed
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:13pm@ VanceUppercut
You seem to be obsessed with rape,10 year olds, girl children and sex slaves. Kinda weird, in a sick way of course.
Report Post »DimmuBorgir
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:17pm@ Vance
ok, so i‘m not sure why you’re trying to talk to me about the bible… you brought it up.
Report Post »also not sure why you’re talking to me about homosexuals… once again, you brought it up
and i’d never stone my kids, i’m not sharing my weed with them. they can get their own if they want to get stoned
VanceUppercut
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:22pm@TSUNAMI-22
Children and stoning:
“If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear”. — Deuteronomy 21:18-21
“He that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death”. — Exodus 21:15
Cannibalism of children:
“And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.” — Leviticus 26:29
Can’t find the “it’s okay to take girls as sex slaves in war” part right now, although I found it once to use in another post some time ago. However, you can check out Exodus 21:7-11 where it says that it’s okay for a father to sell his daughter into sex slavery, and that a man can buy as many sex slaves as he wants as long as he feeds them, and clothes them. Now those are true Christian family values!
Report Post »DimmuBorgir
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:31pm@ VANCE
so you jump into the comment section to site bible passages when the article has nothing to do with the bible and no one mentioned the bible until you did.
you’re starting your own arguments… troll
not only that, but way to assume everyone here is a christian. what do they call that?? i don’t remember i guess i just stopped listening after the left screamed it so many times
Report Post »VanceUppercut
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:32pm@DimmuBorgir
“also not sure why you’re talking to me about homosexuals… once again, you brought it up”
I guess I just assumed that, like most Cons, you think being gay is a sin, so I was pointing out that the Old Testament that says so is also the same Old Testament that says to stone your kids (and not the good kind of stoned). Funny how so-called Christians (who for the most part aren’t very Christian) ignore one rule, but will fight to the death to protect another rule set forth in the same f’ing book.
Report Post »DimmuBorgir
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:47pmDid i say i was christian anywhere??
you’re really showing that hypocrisy again
Report Post »VanceUppercut
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:49pm@DimmuBorgir
Someone mentioned that the Qur’an “tells” Muslims to “destroy us”. I pointed out that the Christian Bible has some screwed up stuff in it too. Someone else asked me to prove it, so I did, posting (some of) the relevant passages.
Report Post »DEMOCRATS.ARE.EVIL
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 6:01pmVANCEUPPERCUT – Wrong again, as always. Christian values? The passages you cited are all Old Testament verses. There were no “Christian values” then for you to mock and ridicule. “Christianity” started with the birth of Christ, much later on little buddy.
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 6:13pm“The Constitution is not a suicide pact”. How about THAT one? It’s an oldie but a goodie from a favorite son of the Left, Abraham Lincoln (Who was, by the way, the first Republican president who started and won a Civil War against Democrats who refused to give up Slaves). The Left has ALWAYS been on the wrong side of American History, just as they are today, but modern Leftists have been so mal-educated that they don’t even know it.
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 6:39pmI love it when Lefties cry “hypocrisy”, for hypocrisy is the exclusive accusation of the losing side. You will NEVER hear a winner whine about the “hypocrisy” of those they’ve defeated.
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 10:20pm@ Vnce – so we have to go down this road again- are you really that dense?
Perhaps if I type s-l-o-w-e-r…. Study your Hebrew – what exactly is the word and meaning used for “slave”. In an OT Jewish world, how di one become a “slave”?
When discussing the death penalty, how often and what evidence was required to carry out theeath penalty for any offense?
And the real “biggie”, If God is the ultimate judge, and we will all at the end of our life face that judgement, who (besides you) says thatGod actually has to wait until death to mete out his judgement aainst sin?
An while we are at it, I suppose if you find out you have a cancerous tumor, you will just let it grow and fester rather than irradicating it from you body?
I will let you “stew” on the Biblcal principle you were attempting to use to “prove” some anti-theist ideal. though I am sure it is beyond your finite comprehension to underand an infite God.
But that’s ok – in the now soon to be the after death -that realization is a little too late – but hey what the heck – you have been warned – good luck with that
Report Post »dumoudan
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 12:27pm“VanceUppercut”. Canyou say “Old Testament?” Try it. It’s not to hard. You obviously want to attribute the Old Testament to Christ’s teachings. The Old twestament refers to a tine long before the birth of Christ Do you honestly beleive that Jesus would tell his followers to “stone your children to death if they disrespect you, and that it’s okay to take “girl children” as sex slaves in war?”
Report Post »I got a bridge I’m selling really cheap dude.
Amy
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:43pmAt first glance, I thought the title was state senator wants to ban mosquitos. They must be carrying malaria.
Report Post »Hollywood
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:50pmCAIR should be banned as a terrorist organization!
Report Post »Too_Far_Gone
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:41pmWorks for me, we are a Christian Nation, don’t like it, get the eff out ..
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:50pmYou don’t preserve freedom by taking freedom away. Only a statist could wrangle that. If Islam is anti-freedom, and I suspect that it is (as I suspect many variants of all religions are actually), then it will wash itself out on the shores of the free market of ideas.
Report Post »VanceUppercut
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:36pm“You don’t preserve freedom by taking freedom away.”
Here! Here! Three cheers for reason!
Report Post »BetterInformed
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:38pm@GhostOfJefferson
Worked well in Northern France. France is like the European Regional Headquarters for the Middle East.
Report Post »Want to understand Islamic tolerance? Take a couple of your female family members to Deerborne Michigan and set up a kissing booth to raise money for your favorite Christian Charity.