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Baptist Leader Delivers Stinging Rebuke to Fellow Christians: ‘We Are Guilty of Our Own Form of Homophobia’

Albert Mohler, president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, made some stirring comments about Christianity and homosexuality that may cause a range of emotions. From general frustration to overwhelming agreement, Mohler’s claim that American Christianity lacks the credibility needed to tackle same-sex marriage will garner diverse responses.

The faith leader’s argument is based on the premise that Christians have largely failed when it comes to confronting same-sex marriage due to their own failure to model successful marriages. In an interview at the “Together for the Gospel Conference” in Louisville, Kentucky, earlier this month, Mohler gave his opinions on the matter.

Albert Mohler Discusses Gay Marriage & the Christian Church

“We have been very slippery on all kinds of issues in terms of accountability in marriage and about marriage,” he said. “It’s going to take a comprehensive recovery of the Christian church’s conviction that marriage is a gospel issue, a biblical issue, an ecclesiological issue, a church discipline issue, a human flourishing issue.”

These are the latest words to come from a prominent Christian in America regarding how homosexuality can and should be grappled with. Many evangelicals, in particular, stand firmly opposed to homosexual unions, however national opinion, as The Blaze has highlighted, is beginning to become more favorable toward gay marriage overall.

Mohler went on to address the issue’s growing prevalence, saying that churches will have a distinct challenge as the legality of same-sex marriage spreads.

Albert Mohler Discusses Gay Marriage & the Christian Church

“We’re going to have very significant specific challenges such as what do we do with people who show up and think they are married and we don’t think they are married?” he continued. “What happens when someone presents themselves not only for say membership but for admission to a Christian college or to a seminary or for employment at a Christian school? What rights do Christian churches and Christian denominations and organizations have to say, ‘No, we can’t recognize that as marriage?’”

Albert Mohler Discusses Gay Marriage & the Christian ChurchFollowing these comments he claimed that the church has made a mistake by viewing sexual sin as a problem that exists outside of the Christian realm. Instead, Mohler claims that everybody — even believers — suffers from this in some way. Additionally, he condemned the sometimes less-than-Biblical methods he believes some churches have used to respond to homosexuality. He even used the oft-dreaded word “homophobia.”

“I’ve gotten in a little bit of trouble for people deliberately misconstruing my words, but I’m going to repeat them again,” he proclaimed. “We are guilty of our own form of homophobia. We are guilty of our own form of ridiculing rather than acting with redemption.”

In illustrating this point, he said that evangelicals have published books that are shameful and that some sermons should serve as “an embarrassment” to Christianity. Rather than fiery rhetoric, he encouraged accuracy and truth in discussions about the complicated issue. In particular, he railed against people who tell those “struggling with same-sex attraction” that they have chosen the so-called plight.

You can read more about Mohler’s comments in the Associated Baptist Press and  listen to audio of his commentary about homosexuality and the church here.

(H/T: Associated Baptist Press)

Comments (211)

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  • jungle J
    Posted on April 27, 2012 at 3:37pm

    The church has been infected by the the mentally ill both liberal and conservative they are so destructive and hate filled…or so giving of other peoples time and finances…the few sane left in the church will understand.

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    • P8riot
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 5:09pm

      I’m not sure if you are considering this guy one of the infiltrators you speak of – but he seems like a good disciple of Christ. I’m not baptist (I’m “Mormon”) but completely agree with him.

      He simply stated that we all need to ‘step it up’ and be better examples of what we preach regarding the sanctity of marriage. I also agree with him that many of us have been “guilty of our own form of ridiculing rather than acting with redemption.”

      He in no way stated that we should accept homosexual marriage… in fact, he stated quite the opposite when he posed all of the problems it would cause.

      Even though I’m a member of a different religion, I share the same VALUES as this man and will stand by his side as we fight to defend traditional marriage!

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 5:20pm

      I half blame The Blaze, I think they do this on purpose knowing most posters in here are not going to try and find out the truth behind the story but are instead going to react to a yellow headline designed to incite. It does, in fact, make most conservatives look like the stupid redneck caricature the left tries to paint us as.

      Anyone who carefully reads this pastor’s comments, or better yet, actually follows a few links to see the WHOLE story will easily see this guy is NOT condoning homosexuality but, rather, trying to show where WE come short in confronting it. This quote in particular is quite good:

      ““Well, they know good-and-well they didn’t choose this,” he said. “The problem is this is how they’ve come to know themselves. Do we tell them that’s because of Genesis 3, or do we tell them it’s just because that’s who they are and they need to celebrate it?”

      Mohler said churches must adopt a “biblical worldview” that says, “We’re the people who cannot act as if sin is not sin, but also we’re not the people who can act as if sin is somebody else’s problem.

      ———————————————–
      I really wish people in here would start thinking. Especially those who are claiming Christ as their Savior. This is why atheists constantly point out the hypocrisy of “Christians” in this country. They are quite correct.

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    • maccow
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 6:34pm

      Trolltrainer
      I am a thinking Christian; I agree the Pastor has some good points.
      Throughout the bible God uses the husband and wife theme as an example of the relationship between Christ and His Church. This is one way that homosexuality competes with what God intends as a way to better understand Him.
      “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh. This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church.” Ephesians 5:31-32

      Second; Homosexuality is just one of many “lifestyle” choices that separate us from God. I doubt that many thieves are praising and lifting up the name of God as they are breaking into a stranger’s house. The same is true about murder, adultery, lying, and even homosexuality. The bible calls these lifestyles sin and making sinful lifestyle choices over a Christ centered lifestyle is contrary to what God intends for us.
      Jesus doesn’t want to be just another lifestyle choice on a list of your ten favorite lifestyles. Jesus wants to be number one on a list of one.
      The Christ lifestyle involves a true loving relationship unlike anything else the world has to offer. Satan doesn’t want us in that relationship so he mischaracterizes it as hate, intolerance, bigoted, and homophobic. Those who have chosen Christ as their only lifestyle are still flawed human beings, but the Christ that we are in a relationship with is perfect.

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    • symphonic
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 8:49pm

      As long as Christians are getting divorces and disrespecting the sanctity of the institution by being unChristian in how they treat their spouses, divorcing them and creating turmoil… as long as this continues in any significant way it does take away credibility and any power to speak in the name of saving marriage for What God intended it to be.

      This preacher correctly spells out one of the roots of the problem: BAD EXAMPLES. Christians can talk about how gay marriage is sinful all they want, but many of them don’t blink much at what ills go along with divorce. How many times I have seen the kids of a family that underwent divorce, lose it, become rebellious, become indifferent to trying to do what is right, and they become disillusioned about what marriage means for them. A bad example can go a long long way. Christians should not be getting divorces, but working it out. and STAY married. Of course the spouse will always blame the OTHER spouse, but really, it takes two and there are a whole lot of things that could have been done leading up to that divorce to prevent that divorce, like truly LOVING each other.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 9:05pm

      Symphonic – By your standards, Christians wouldn’t even be allowed to tell the Biblical truths. You’re not going to silence Christians like you want to.

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    • maccow
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 10:13pm

      Symphonic
      Now I am confused, will it be the perfected Christ sitting on the Great White Judgement Throne or the perfect Symphonic?
      Since you are obviously a liberal who worships the God of liberal causes at the Church of the Almighty Leftists your theology won’t work here. With each sentence you type you prove yourself to be an enemy of Christ because you attack and persecute His servants with lies and slander. Like all worshipers of Apollyon (Destroyer), all you can do is tear down and destroy while offering nothing of Godly value to put in its place.

      I pray you eventually have a Damascus Road encounter with a blinding light. (For those of you in Rio Linda, look it up)

      Let me share some real truth that your theology is sorely lacking in;
      “Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.” Romans 12:21
      “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.” John 7:24
      “For there is no difference; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,whom God set forth [as] a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,” Romans 3:25
      Looks like God is a God of grace and mercy towards those who have faith in His son. Glad it will be Him on the throne and not you.

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    • GIDEON612
      Posted on April 28, 2012 at 12:47am

      I would suggest that the Bible be something we read, study and get to know, instead of carry and keep notes in that are never finished. The Bible clearly speaks of these times in the Book of Revelation. Jesus tells us there to come out of her. Get out of the churches. Get out of the four walls that have become a social exercise that is nothing more than punching the clock. Seek God with every fiber of your being and stop hanging on every word from someone that stands behind a pulpit or microphone.
      I want someone to show me where Jesus told us to sit in a building on Sunday morning and then go back to serving Satan for the rest of the week. You cannot. If you cannot read the signs of the times then it may be too late for you.

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    • Directoratasmallbusiness
      Posted on April 28, 2012 at 9:19am

      NIV Bible
      Acts 8: 36- 40 36 As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, “Look, here is water. What can stand in the way of my being baptized?” [37] [c] 38 And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him. 39 When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord suddenly took Philip away, and the eunuch did not see him again, but went on his way rejoicing. 40 Philip, however, appeared at Azotus and traveled about, preaching the gospel in all the towns until he reached Caesarea.
      Mathew 19: 11-12
      11 Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”
      I suggest everyone read:
      A Time to Embrace: Same-Sex Relationships in Religion, Law, and Politics, 2nd Edition by William Stacy Johnson a professor at Princeton Theological Seminary
      Homosexual love is not a sin under the new covenant taught by Jesus!!!!

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    • hillbillyinny
      Posted on April 28, 2012 at 10:00am

      @ Directoratasmallbusiness

      Uh, not sure what your point was in the Bible quotation you provided. Maybe defining a word from it might straighten ideas out–EUNACH: “a man or boy deprived of the testes or external genitals” (Merriam Webster Medical Dictionary).

      A person who is a true Eunach does not and cannot perform the sexual act–therefore the same-sex sexual act would not be consumated. In Bible times servants were often made Eunachs in order to stay “immature” their entire life and dedicated to the person they served. Some are born “as Eunachs,” again not having the hormonal providing external genitalia to perform sex. To be a Eunach does not equate to the homosexual relationship/sex act.

      First as far as those who seem to be drawn to those of the same sex, sexually–love the sinner, not the sin.

      BUT THE BIGGER QUESTION TO ME IS: Why must a “love relationship,” man-woman or same-sex RESULT IN THE SEXUAL ACT??? For generations, women loved their sisters and friends, but didn’t move that love relationship in a sexual direction. Men love their brothers and other male friends, but respected themselves and other so much that they never even let their mind stray in the direction of acting out sexually! Were they others who did cross the line, yes! But, those who understood the ramifications of “shallow sex and/or self-indulgent sex” just DIDN’T GO THERE! Did they pray about this and seek God’s help, I’m sure some did.

      Love one another, but

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    • FreedomsFury
      Posted on April 28, 2012 at 10:16am

      Directoratasmallbusiness

      Eunuchs were not homosexuals! They were either celibate or even more severe, castrated! Look it up yourself. If that is what the book you read told you, then it’s a lie from satan himself. Do not be deceived!

      1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

      Every sin, not just homosexuality, will keep you from the kingdom of God if you haven’t received His free gift of salvation by dying on the cross in your place. Once you do, if you allow Him to, He will remove these sinful ways from your life. So stop fooling yourself with these novels mere men write to deceive you. There is only One Way to Heaven, and it’s through faith in Jesus Christ, read about in the Holy Bible.

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    • Hollywood
      Posted on April 28, 2012 at 5:13pm

      Romans Ch 1 V 21-33 is quite clear about the spiritual state of homosexuals and lesbians, and that if they do not REPENT of their sin ,and seek forgiveness, and as Christ into their lives, as LORD and Saviour they will go to the lake of fire. One CANNOT have salvation without repentance.. The spiritual state of todays churches is stated in Rev Ch 1 -3. I believe, and am seeing many TRUE Christians leaving their denoms and going to HOME churches as it was in the early days, after Christs’ death, and resurrection. TOO many Pastors are Professional Pastors, and are called “hirelings” in Scripture.
      They will not defend truth, and worse, will not defend their flock from the WOLVES coming in amongst the flock. They are in it for personal gain. I support ALL pastors who have the courage to stand up against sin and heresies in their churches, They will be villified, and pursecuted for it, as are ALL true Christians for defending the faith.
      Maranatha

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    • snooop1e
      Posted on April 29, 2012 at 9:43pm

      @maccow – Just curious, did you miss this part “because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed” ??? If we continue in our sins, denying the free gift of Gods life saving grace no sacrifice for sins is left. Peace in Christ

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  • fiveft15
    Posted on April 27, 2012 at 3:21pm

    If homosexual behavior is normal then why is it impossible for gay men or lesbians to naturally continue the species?

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    • BigAl78
      Posted on April 28, 2012 at 6:14pm

      Actually, more and more evidence indicates that homosexuality is very much natural and seen all throughout the animal kingdom. Tons of species besides humans have displayed some forms of homosexual behavior. Here is a list of those species:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

      Also, there’s growing evidence that homosexuality may be partially determined by genetics and physiology, or even evolutionary reasons. Here’s a few things to look at:
      http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1997/06/homosexuality-and-biology/4683/2/?single_page=true
      http://evolution.anthro.univie.ac.at/institutes/urbanethology/resources/pdf/NEL220601R01_Muscarella_.pdf

      A lot of people here may be personally against homosexuality, and it‘s ok to have your opinions as long as it doesn’t make you become hateful, but bear in mind that homosexuality not a choice that they just “make,” and it may be very natural overall.

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    • Alessandre
      Posted on April 28, 2012 at 9:48pm

      @BigAl78 – it’s a mistake that is made more & more these days to equate animal actions w/ human actions. It debases human beings rather than explains truth. Animals will rub against animals of the same sex for pleasure but that’s not homosexuality. Most of those same animals also breed w/ the opposite sex & fulfill their species parental obligations. Homosexuality involves an attraction that is as much psychological & spiritual as physical. Animals are simply seeking pleasure or comfort – instinctual experiences. Humans are seeking to know & be known, to love & be loved & sex is part but usually not even the biggest part of the relationship. I’ve spent a lot of time listening to gay friends & teaching same-sex attracted teens to know 1st hand we’re not talking instincts here.

      What we are talking is a cross. Mohler is right in telling us that when we are not Biblical Christians in regard to marriage, we will be considered hypocrites by those w/ same-sex attraction. How do I ask my neighbor to carry the cross of same-sex attraction when I won’t carry the cross of opposite-sex attraction? Christians – liberal, conservative, independent, et al. – frequently engage in sex before marriage, are pregnant or parents when they wed, often don’t wed the parent of their child/children. Christians regularly divorce & remarry too. We scandalize our neighbors, make it hard to believe. Marriage is between 1 man & 1 woman but we must be faithful, Biblical Christians in marriage too.

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    • KStret
      Posted on April 29, 2012 at 2:55pm

      BigAl,
      What would happen to a species if they all turned homosexual? The species would become extinct within a generation. From a naturalistic standpoint it is accurate to say that males and females are designed to be attracted to each other. It is normal from males and females to be attracted to each other.

      The notion that homosexuality is genetic, it can occur in nature, therefore is natural; is a flawed argument. Why? because it is natural for males and females to attracted to each other so they can procreate. It they are not attracted to each other and don’t procreate, the species will become extinct. Your own argument dictates that homosexuality would have to be a genetic abnormality.

      Otherwise, your own logic chain would dictate that if some of was blind because of genetics, it is natural to be blind. Blindness does occur in nature but the eyes were designed for sight. A genetic abnormality caused the blindness.

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    • KStret
      Posted on April 29, 2012 at 3:47pm

      I think the pastor is making a mistake on how the church needs to deal with the gay political movement. Christians are making a huge mistake by arguing from a theological perspective instead of a secular perceptive. Same sex marriage is a political issue.

      By attempting to make the case against same sex marriage and other issues using religious argumentation, Christians are playing right into the hands of the narrative that the gay political movement wants. Christians only have a problem with gay politics because the bible told them so. The only people who have a problem with the gay political agenda are Christian bigots.

      While I agree that Christians need to get their own house in order by not having the same divorce rate as non religious people, even if Christians had a 0% divorce rate it would not change anything in stopping the gay agenda.

      Instead of making the case against same sex marriage by using the Bible, Christians should be pointing out the flaws in favor of implementing same sex marriage. The minute you engage the issue from a religious standpoint you have lost the debate.

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    • COFemale
      Posted on April 29, 2012 at 11:53pm

      Just because you have homosexual tendencies does not mean you can procreate. It also does not mean it is normal. A male dog will hump a leg of anyone, it does not matter, it is a urge they have and act upon. Does not mean it is right.

      But I guess in Liberal world you can justify anything, even killing babies.

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  • neocon1
    Posted on April 27, 2012 at 3:17pm

    Pssssstttt “pastor”
    homosexuality is an ABOMINATION in the eyes of God.

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    • symphonic
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 8:51pm

      So is lust. So is divorce for selfish purposes. So is adultery. So? Don’t judge the homosexuals any differently because they sin differently than you.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 9:00pm

      Symphonic – By your demented standards, then Christians couldn’t even get to speak the truth about the gospel.

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    • maccow
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 10:31pm

      Symphonic
      Why do you come onto a faith based news article without a cogent theological thought. You prove the point of how bereft the left is of any theology beyond what they just thought up two seconds ago.
      You keep crying sin here and sin there and those darn sinning “Christians” and their hypocrisy. Then you demonstrate zero understanding of the forgiveness, grace, and mercy of God.
      Stop being a Godless Troll.
      Your persecution and slandering of God‘s servants isn’t bringing forth anything good or positive. Do you think you are convicting anyone of their sin, or are you just throwing bombs? Your actions in the pseudo name of your false Christ will have eternally bad consequences for you. Doubly so if you draw anyone else away to follow after your false god along with you.
      And yes, I am going to keep shining the light of God’s word on your lies as often as I can.

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    • rednckpreacher
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 11:46pm

      Symphonic! God sent judgment on a lot of things in the OT, But of all the things he hated the men of sodom were Ge 13:13 But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly.
      NOTE GOD“S DISTICTION ”EXCEDDINGLY” ! In Romans chapter one Sodomy is given as a symptom of a “reprobate mind” IT IS NOT THE SAME AS AN “ORDINARY SIN” It is a sign of the times , it is the sin that indicates a society that has passed the line of Gods dealings.
      Sodomites all refuse to call their “lifestyle ” by the terms that God does…Sin, abomination, reprobate!
      Theyre pride ‘Gay pride” Eze 16:49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
      this is nothing more than the precursor to the Southern baptist conventions slow turn to embrace Sodomites ! If were still here in 5 years I can guarentee they will be marrying them in some Southern Baptist churchs

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    • donaldchar
      Posted on April 28, 2012 at 1:15am

      C’mon, Symphonic. Lust is a sin? “Be fruitful and multiply” is “Go and sin”? Think, think, think. Accusing the perfect Designer and loving Creator of condoning sin like this shows your unfamiliarity with Him and His ways. Ask the Lord to show you the truth; He delights to answer prayers like this. I for one am thankful that your parents lusted enough to conceive you…

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    • ADENBESTE
      Posted on April 28, 2012 at 2:56am

      But the article is about homos not adultery. Just because you are gay does not mean you can change the topic to suit your needs. This is not a contest over whose sin is worse. Homos are doomed to hell if they don’t change their ways. Sorry, not my words, but the religion you are trying to use against the rest of us. You suffer for your ways and others will suffer for theirs. Both parties can be damned for eternity.

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    • texasbeta
      Posted on April 29, 2012 at 3:08pm

      Pssst…so are conservatives.

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  • Git-R-Done
    Posted on April 27, 2012 at 3:13pm

    In Matthew 19:4-6 and Mark 10:6-9, Jesus defined marriage as between a man and a woman. I guess Jesus is a homophobic bigot to the radical left.

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    • vox_populi
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 3:20pm

      Yup.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 3:25pm

      This preacher is a false shepard..I would urge anyone attending a church like this to get out now..True men of God will never marry homosexuals..what’s next.. donkey shows at the church? 1 Cor 6:9-10 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [a]effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 4:55pm

      ashestoashes,

      what is false about anything the pastor said? Did you read the article or is this just a knee-jerk reaction to a headline?

      The people whop routinely comment on The Blaze make the pastor’s point for him. The sad part is most of these comments are from Christians. But when it comes to Islam or homosexuality Christianity is out the window.

      The knee-jerk reaction here is this pastor is somehow supporting homosexuality. The reality of the story is he is describing the way Christians should combat the acceptance of same sex marriage as the norm.

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    • P8riot
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 5:11pm

      You said it better than I could TROLLTRAINER – here here.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 7:48pm

      @TROLL TRAINER..With all due respect.. I do not agree with everything this pastor said..While it is true that most have not revered marriage in the ways that our parents and their parents did..there are still many Christians who take their vows seriously.. And although we are not allowed to judge homosexuals..and they would do good to be in church to hear the word of God for a conviction on their heart.. marrying homosexuals would be completely against God as He considers it an abomination. The pastor said that we have our own homophobia..that might be true..I am certainly not afraid of gays..and there are ones that I like..but I do have a problem with something that God says is an abomination to Him..For instance..if a gay couple came to my church..and I had children..and this couple was acting like a couple..I would have a problem with the influence this could have on my children as they are impressionable. This is not an acceptable form of behavior..and it very definitely is a choice Troll Trainer..we all have choices and I choose to stand with Jesus..Love the sinner..hate the sin..It is not..I repeat..not acceptable..

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 9:26pm

      @TROLL TRAINER..Another thing..yes I did read and reread and reread this pastor’s comments..He asked ““What happens when someone presents themselves not only for say membership but for admission to a Christian college or to a seminary or for employment at a Christian school? What rights do Christian churches and Christian denominations and organizations have to say, ‘No, we can’t recognize that as marriage?’”Really Troll Trainer? For one thing..a Christian School is supposed to be representative of a biblical character…Imagine a bunch of “recognized gay married couples ” walking around on campus hand in hand ..or how about a gay pastor coming out of seminary school..teaching a pro homosexual stance in church? Are we to disregard God? When you say no to these people..you send them a clear message that a gay lifestyle is not acceptable.. That way..either they can begin their journey to find the truth and be saved..while all the while..having regard for the other lives which could be disastrously affected by the intrusion of abomination.Oh and Troll Trainer..I happen to believe that homosexuals have the “spirit of homosexuality” an actual spirit not of God.

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    • donaldchar
      Posted on April 28, 2012 at 1:44am

      Nope. I’ve yet to hear any on the Left label Him like that. Tongue-in-cheek aside, the great unfulfilled need is for those, both Left and Right, to not accuse Jesus of anything before they get to know Him.

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    • WISEPENNY
      Posted on April 28, 2012 at 2:36pm

      Hey TROLLTRAINER: You said: ” But when it comes to Islam or homosexuality Christianity is out the window. ”
      Since you bring up both subjects in one sentence, I don’t agree with Islam or Homosexuality for the record, but how do Muslims treat homosexuality? No need to answer, but I rest my case.

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  • martyinhagerstown
    Posted on April 27, 2012 at 3:06pm

    IN RESPONSE TO :
    In particular, he railed against people who tell those “struggling with same-sex attraction” that they have chosen the so-called plight.
    A) If it is NOT sin then B) whatever.
    A) If it is sin then B) we do choose it.

    We are not forced and the devil doesn’t make us do it.
    All temptation comes to man with a way to escape so it is never more than we can bear. If we don’t take the escape then we have chosen the temptation.

    Why hold up a confused clergy and their worthless opinions on an already settled matter?

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  • kingatao77
    Posted on April 27, 2012 at 2:47pm

    I stand firm in my belief that marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman, let homosexuals “UNIONIZE” all they want. My stepson is a gay teenager, I will never treat him or his boyfriend differently than any of the other kids, I love them both. He agrees and could care less about the word marriage itself as long as a union is treated with the same understandings. Lets not re-define words because its popular. If the overwhelming majority wanted to chandge the word hatred for friendship, would that be ok? Yes, in that case, it would be ok. BUT, marriage is a Holy God ordained word that has its own maningful definition. CREATE a new word!!!!!!

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    • girlnurse
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 3:07pm

      Many words already have been changed and society continues to do that:

      Gay was happy=now means homosexual
      Bad was not good=now means very good
      Hot was intense heat=now means good looking
      Pot was something to cook in=now means marijuana
      Grass=ditto
      you get the point..
      Don’t forget Obama wants to change our history and our conversation.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f2j_a_7XkE&feature=player_detailpage

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    • Truth1776
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 4:53pm

      Agree

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    • Taquoshi
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 5:02pm

      NeoCon – So you are endorsing adultery, theft and murder?

      Loving someone does not mean one has to condone what the other person is doing. I see families grieving all the time over stupid things their children or relatives have done that have cause irreparable harm to themselves and/or others. And those family members will be the first to say, “I warned him/her…“ or ”I only wish he or she had listened….”. People who love others want the best for their loved ones.

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    • vieteravet
      Posted on April 28, 2012 at 3:06pm

      **** what’s the matter with the wodr “****”!

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    • Max jones
      Posted on April 30, 2012 at 11:04am

      KINGATA077……As you watch your son descend into the pit, you will convict yourself in sorrow and guilt. Very sad, indeed. God’s will is the only outcome. Your weakness will take you down.

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  • vehoae
    Posted on April 27, 2012 at 2:43pm

    This downward devolution of morality and faithfulness amongst alleged followers of Christ is precisely as described by the apostle Paul in his letter to Timothy: “For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.” (II Timothy 4: 3-4 NIV)

    For all of us who choose to remain children of God, followers of Christ, and people who do not blaspheme the Holy Spirit, let us take Paul’s admonition to keep our heads in all situations, enduring hardship. (II Timothy 4:5 NIV). Active persecution and blasphemy against children of God is now running rampant throughout this post-Republic, and the entire globe. We must stand our ground as directed by God … no itching ears.

    The prophet Isaiah and the apostle Paul, through their writings in Isaiah 45 and Philippians 2, respectively, reminded us that all generations will bow down before Christ and God. I’ve heard people say, self-righteously, that we in the United States bow down to nobody, that that is why the colonists rebelled against Great Britain’s King. They are comparing apples to oranges. God and Christ are not human. They are supernatural, spiritual, and they created us. Bow now, as a personal choice, and as a child of God should and must do.

    Lord, come quickly.

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    • momrules
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 3:01pm

      I always enjoy reading your posts and as usual you are correct.

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    • Drives Like Jehu
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 5:12pm

      Amen. God is very protective of His symbols and types in the Scriptures. Moses was denied admission to the Land because he tarnished one of God’s symbols during a fit of temper. Marriage is a symbol of the relationship between Jesus Christ and His saved elect. Gay “marriage” tarnishes and spits on that symbol. Therefore, no true Christian would ever support or excuse this heresy.

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    • searching for the Truth
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 8:16pm

      Moses hit the Rock instead of speaking to the Rock which was in disobedience to the Word.

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    • searching for the Truth
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 8:19pm

      But, Moses was Personally Buried by God ( Most probably raptured ) .

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    • searching for the Truth
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 8:30pm

      ” Priests are worthy of double honor.” Although, Moses was only allowed to see God’s Reward from afar – God buried Moses in His burial. I would much better be where he is right now.

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  • Itsjusttim
    Posted on April 27, 2012 at 2:35pm

    Christians think they are guilty of homophobia because you think that Eunuchs are gay people, but Eunuchs are actually people with autism who have been castrated from your world. And the reality is that people don’t even have to fear homosexuality, because if people were living by the word then they would fear you, and flee from your presence. But, they still fear you, although they know you are confounded, and so they attack because people attack that which they don‘t understand especially when those people who are not understood don’t understand themselves.

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    • Itsjusttim
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 2:42pm

      And the people who are Eunuchs by choice are the people whereby you say “Glenn, Glenn, Glenn….Earth to Glenn come in Glenn. Huh, huh, oh sorry I was just lost in thought as always.”

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    • iampraying4u
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 3:00pm

      istjusttim how profound

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    • P C BE DAMNED
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 3:03pm

      Tim
      As usual you seem lost in foolishness. Why can’t you speak clearly so you can be understood. You know you have a demon don’t you.

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    • undercover
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 3:04pm

      Take another blue pill and calm down.

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    • Max jones
      Posted on April 30, 2012 at 11:11am

      TIMMY……wha?

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  • deeberj
    Posted on April 27, 2012 at 2:27pm

    I’m sorry, although I do agree with him that American Christians fail to model a good hetero marriage (we get as many divorces as any other group of people), that does mean that we can’t then point out what we think is wrong, or sinful, about **** marriages.

    In other words, Christians do not have to be sinless to be able to recognize if something is sinful or is against bibilical teachings.

    The problem with a sexual sin is that if you aren‘t trying to stop and you think it’s fine and God made you that way, you are unrepentant and your sin should not be accepted as normal just because you think it is. In a Christian church people are trying to be more like Christ, not making excuses for their failings. This is why so many churches come down on homosexual sin, because of this unrepentant way of thinking.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 3:14pm

      Exactly.

      If according to the left Christians fail to be perfect in every aspect of Christianity, that means they have no right to speak out about what’s right and wrong according to Christianity.

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  • welovetheUSA
    Posted on April 27, 2012 at 2:24pm

    Idoits are just coming out of their holes……………climb back in your dark place……….gays are unstable humans, period.

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  • SpankDaMonkey
    Posted on April 27, 2012 at 2:13pm

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    I am so Sick & Tired of Gay This & Gay That. I could just Puke!……

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    • islamhater
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 2:32pm

      I agree we should never have to discuss GAY anything. It’s just another tool to break this country down. Alot of people don’t even know their a progressive. I see alot on this sight. Put sex back in the bedroom where it belongs.

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  • HorseCrazy
    Posted on April 27, 2012 at 2:10pm

    My opinion folks don’t chose their sin temptations I agree what he is saying there. They can chose to give into it or stand firm. Just how some folks are tempted with adultery or others with the love of money or greed or booze etc. I do wish the chuch would embrace gays like they embrace the rest of us sinners, not condoning anything still preaching the Word of God but tone it down with the judgement specifically of gays, God is very clear about homosexuality adultery and a host of other ones too but those folks are not out right shunned like they do to some in the gay community. Just got to show them the love that Christ shows us. What is that saying love the sinner not the sin. Just my opinion, I feel the harshness turns gays away from Christ instead of letting them know God loves them just like the rest of us and let the Holy Spirit do the work.

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    • godlovinmom
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 2:21pm

      I believe that is what is wrong with churches today…too much “embracing” going on…one thing I would like to mention…gays are the only ones, in my opinion that wear their sin on their sleeves, per say and constantly wanting everyone to accept it.

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    • jerimiah41
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 2:23pm

      I believe many of you like this Pastor should hone up on the scriptures. If you just sit by and accept this in your church without addressing it is part of the problem today. I will accept a smaller congregation to attend then one that would be complicit in accepting this as normal. I love all of my fellow brothers and sisters and personally will not judge them for judgement day is reserved for him above. However, If I had to confront the scriptures like Pastors should do , you cannot just shun this. You do not have to be confrontational with any of these folks but I would throw a celebration party for the immoral behaviour that is clearly part of the scriptures. I am sure there are many churches that do not want to address sin at all in their churches today, but if that is true then give up being a Pastor. Homosexuality is clearly called out as an abomination in the bible. These relationships in no way are encouraged anywhere in the holy words. As long as it is not addressed directly for me to accertain views I would never call anyone out. For any of these people to think the Kingdom of God is open to those in these relationships then I would have to be shown the scriptures that get you to that conclusion. I love all of God’s people also but I do not know how you make the leap to acceptance by the holy one.

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    • HorseCrazy
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 2:36pm

      ^^^^these are perfect examples of what I am talking about. so your attitude is not the same as God’s. he loves gay people the same as you and me, what is it he who is without sin cast the first stone, yes they are more flamboyant about their lifestyle but it is the hardshell, let God do the work on the hearts. Bring them to church, love them, don’t shun them or the wall goes up even further. Why the hate of gays and the venom is so much more than say someone who lies or someone who steal etc…they are all sins but this attitude you are keeping people away from God. I wouldn’t want that on my hands come judgement day. Love your neighbor, no one is asking anyone to stop preaching God’s Word just read it for yourself and tell me where it says Love everyone unless they are gay then be really rude and make sure they will never got to church because everyone is welcome but them

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    • undercover
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 3:11pm

      Most everyone who steals, lies, murders, etc. KNOWS that they are sining. What‘s different about homosexuality is that they don’t believe they are in sin. The church can accept a sinner who knows he’s a sinner and wants to change, but it cannot accept a sinner who believes he’s righteouse.and wants the church to change.

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    • Oldmantex
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 8:44pm

      You are absolutely correct “Undercover!!” I am sick of people misquoting scripture. You are to love your brother as yourself. Well that means a brother in Christ. If they are a brother in Christ they are also subject to the Church. We are told to confront a Brother in Christ about his sin. If he wont change, take a friend, if he still wont change take him to the pastor and before the church. If he still refuses to give up his sin we are to remove them from the church and no longer associate with those people. So when you say love your brother, remember that means your are brothers in Christ and must not willfully live in sin.

      Also for those that are not “brothers” we are to witness to them and if they accept they become a brother and we are to love them and they are not to live in sin. BUT if they choose not to follow the teachings of Christ we are to dust off our feet as a testimony against them and move on. We are not to attack them, but we are supposed to avoid socializing with them because of their rejection of Christ.

      People seem to confuse tolerance and judgement. I can tolerate you and should, but that does not mean I am judging you because I ONLY tolerate you and refuse to accept you.

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    • BrutalTruth
      Posted on April 28, 2012 at 10:30am

      Yes. Isn’t it interesting the “Love your neighbor” quote usually leaves out the “as yourself” part. The “as yourself” has a different meaning depending on if your a follower or not. As a follower, I understand my sin nature and under true repentance, don‘t’ like myself very much, but I do have consideration and a desire for truth. Like Paul, I die daily to my sins.

      To those who get wrapped around the axle about what that level of love means, should read Matthew 10. While there are many other areas of scripture that are clear, Matthew 10 is very disturbing to most people and they just can‘t comprehend that Jesus doesn’t come to make peace. Try loving another so much you are willing to speak the Gospel to someone even though you may be rejected, ridiculed, or even crucified.

      I like the Ravi Zacharias comment. “Jesus didn’t come to make bad people good, but to make dead people live”. In other words, the real issue is spiritual, not physical.

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    • LDSchristian
      Posted on April 29, 2012 at 7:05pm

      I think the church in general does accept homosexuals as people, but they don’t want to hear what they are feeling is wrong or just a temptation and those who are activists about their sexuality tell them there is nothing wrong with acting on that temptation. Christ offers His love and grace to all people and he doesn’t discriminate. but he says to keep his commandments and that means all of them. Repentance is declared to all. Many that say those against gay marriage are bigots and haters don’t want to repent, they don’t want to resist sin, they want to change the rules and everyone that is opposed is a homophobe,a bigot and a hater. The reality is we love truth and righteousness and we don’t want a sinful influence around our children.answering questions like whydoes Suzy have two daddies coming from a six year old isn’t a natural question. There is nothing in nature that can explain two people of the same sex having offspring. It isn‘t natural and it isn’t right. I have a gay brother in law and he knows we love him, but he also knows we disapprove of the lifestyle. W hope that someday he will be able to break free of his temptation but realize this will probably not be the case. He is free to choose, but there are consequences for his choices. He doesn’t spend a much time with his family, he has had an Std, he drinks often and he’ll probably never have kids. Christ offers his love to all who are tempted this way. Christians open your arms to these people and hel

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  • SpankDaMonkey
    Posted on April 27, 2012 at 2:06pm

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    I took one look at old Albert and he damn near broke the bell on my Gaydar…………..

    Ya‘ll can’t drink or dance, but you can put that in Ya‘ll’s mouth. That’s Messed Up!!!!…..

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  • TexBork
    Posted on April 27, 2012 at 2:00pm

    What do you call it if a straight guy is scared that gays don’t like him? Would that be retrohomophobic or something? I guess gays that are scared of straight people are hetrophobic? Is that right?

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  • KAS_Wolf
    Posted on April 27, 2012 at 2:00pm

    Marriage was not created nor defined by US laws. Marriage was defined by something larger than a legislative body. State and Federal government have no place redefining something they didn’t create. They have no jurisdiction in the matter.

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    • lukerw
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 2:11pm

      The IRS defined Marriage… for Tax Purposes! And, Marriage is defined… for Social Security Purposes. So… because of Tax & Entitlements… the Government is in everyone’s Personal Business!

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    • One of the Quiet Ones
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 2:12pm

      You saved me the trouble of formulating those words.

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    • COFemale
      Posted on April 30, 2012 at 12:08am

      Wrong Luke. Since the Bible was printed way before the IRS was created, God defined marriage. The IRS defined the tax laws that married couples had to follow once they were married in the eyes of God or in some cases Justice of the Peace.

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  • RANGER1965
    Posted on April 27, 2012 at 1:55pm

    The bible cannot be clearer when it comes to the issue of homosexuality. Regardless of the word games that people play, and the crazy mental gymnastics people go through to try to make the Word of God friendly to the growing culture of homosexuality in our nation. It just ain’t gonna help.

    The Bible calls it a sin, which means it is a choice, and not a biological fate like the pseudo-science that homosexual organizations like to tout as “ABSOLUTE PROOF”, that homosexuality is biology and not a choice. I’ve seen the science. It makes Global Warming seem sound.

    We Christians can sure do a better job in handling this sin. It’s not like its a worse sin than a 1000 others. Since the punishment for the smallest sin to the greatest imaginable all carry the same punishment…Death, and since no Christian that has ever lived was sin free, that puts all of us in the same boat.

    But if the above pastor is saying that we need to compromise and be accepting of the sin. That we need to become more culturally sensitive and enlightened. Then here’s a little verse that I think applies:

    For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

    The Long Night is Coming.

    RANGER

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    • TMink
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 2:19pm

      Well said brother. I do not think that he is saying that we should ignore Biblical teaching on homosexuality being a sin, I think he is saying we are ignoring Biblical teaching on how to love sinners.

      I think he is right.

      Trey

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    • JamesWest
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 2:33pm

      I am a Christian who believes that homosexuals are BORN with a “same-sex attraction”. The choice is, are they going to act on that urge. Christians should be advising homosexuals on how to choose NOT to act on their urges… as opposed to telling them that having the urge is, itself, a choice. Which IMO it is not.

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    • MSBrewer
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 4:20pm

      So you think that they are ‘born’ that way? IS it any different than any of us being born into sin? Christ said that murdering was wrong but he went further to say if you had hate towards someone enough so that you would want them dead, that you had committed murder. Same with lust, and adultery. The temptation is there for all of us in any manner of sin.

      That said, I think many Christians to respond poorly to the homosexual community poorly but only out of the social normalization of homosexuality. I think if thievery were being pushed as a societal norm you would see Christians standing against it too. But as to the difference in the nature of those sins, you have most of the time an unrepentant homosexual seeking acceptance by the church. The church cannot accept unrepentant sinners of any kind, and the problem with most homosexuals is because of societal change over the last few decades, they feel they should be accepted because they don’t think there is anything wrong with what they do. But, the Bible is quite clear on the subject.

      Church discipline is severely lacking in the modern church. I remember my uncle years ago committing adultery on, whichever wife it was at the time, and he was kicked out of his church until he was repentant of his sin and reconciled with his wife. He never did, and he was never welcomed back to that church. Churches need to practice biblical church discipline or there is no repentance in modern Christianity.

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  • godlovinmom
    Posted on April 27, 2012 at 1:54pm

    This is exactly why orgainized religion does not work…they all fall short… churches and their leaders have fallen off the path the Lord has set for us…when you start tolerating sin, in whatever form…it gets you in trouble…when asked, I always say I am a believer…that way I don’t commit myself to anything but Jesus. CATB’s answer was correct…this guy might want to try the methodist church…from what I hear they are all for this.

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    • NE1
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 2:32pm

      GODLOVINMOM, I think you, and most people who have commented here, probably are not familiar with Dr. Mohler and have misunderstood his words. Dr. Mohler is very conservative and one of the most outspoken defenders of the Gospel! He in no way is “tolerating” sin. He is saying that Christians have served as a poor witnesses of Christianity, especially in our marriages and that we must approach the homosexual issue from a gospel perspective. He said, “We are guilty of our own form of ridiculing rather than acting with redemption” which is spot on! Yes, Jesus and the bible command Christians to preach the gospel, and preaching the gospel includes telling people that they are sinners in need of a Savior; and homosexuality is included in the list of sins, no doubt! But, There is a huge difference between telling someone they are a sinner and going to hell if they don’t repent and telling them the same thing, but with a heart of compassion that is seeking to save lost souls. Unfortunately, many in the Christian Church are very good at the former and sorely lacking in the latter! In short, Dr. Mohler is rebuking Christians for our failure in the area of being credible witnesses and evangelists for the gospel of Jesus Christ!

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    • JamesWest
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 2:54pm

      What NE1 said.

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  • SquidVetOhio
    Posted on April 27, 2012 at 1:52pm

    I’m a fundemental Baptist, we have known for sometime the Souther Baptist have been drifting to the left because the SBC gets national attention and are afraid of looking kooky.

    “Friendship of the world is enmity with God”

    There’s a point to be made that the “christian” divorce rate is 50% so we are not exactly holding the marriage standard high. I agree with that. But, you don‘t equivocate on theology because people don’t follow it like they should.

    Then I thought his point might be that we need to be lovingly compassionate to gays and try to convert them because our Saviour died for them too but, that wasn’t his point.

    He is equivocating on doctrine. He should be reprimanded and removed from authority. This is why we believe in an autonomous church. Wrong is wrong. You can lovingly rebuke. Just as Jesus did. Jesus told Mary of Magdalene “Go and sin no more” after saving her from stoning.

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  • cessna152
    Posted on April 27, 2012 at 1:51pm

    Interesting… dividing the Church. Instead of simply calling and following Jesus’ example. To serve God and to love one another. As a Christian, the Church is under a HUGE attack from outside but more so from within. As Christians we need to stop complaining and arguing and focus on Christ. After that, we need to serve and show others what Christ is all about…through service. I am fed up with being divided by the media, then being divided within the Church. I just listened to a sermon that divided Christians into “black, white,Asian”, etc. This is not what following Jesus is all about, we’re either Christians or followers of Christ or we are not. People, unless our focus is on Christ and his service, we are doomed! God is our only way out of this mess…

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    • MammalOne
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 1:58pm

      All the christian church does is bicker with itself about biblical interpretation. There have to be hundreds, if not thousands of christian sects and offshoots all because of stuff like this. It’s not the media, its the ambiguous and oft contradictory book they’re citing that causes these divisions.

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  • True American66
    Posted on April 27, 2012 at 1:43pm

    Look….If you are a believer then Sin is Sin no matter how you dice it. Should we exclude homosexuals from anything because they sin against God….NO, we all sin, but should we condone it?…NO….should we redefine marriage because homosexuals want us to condone their sinful lifestyle…NO….should we embrace the Sinner….YES!

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  • CatB
    Posted on April 27, 2012 at 1:39pm

    He might be more comfortable in the United Methodist Church ….

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    • lukerw
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 1:52pm

      Self Flagellation… gives Pain… so you forget what was bothering you!

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  • purplehippo
    Posted on April 27, 2012 at 1:38pm

    Since we are all sinners, we are all in the same boat. There are no degrees of sin. A white lie is as bad as murder and left without forgiveness from the Almighty, the consequence is damnation. How do we meet this challenge of homosexuality in a manner that promotes love? There is no doubt that homosexuality is a sin that cannot to be condoned by the church (God’s people). There must be a message of hope to those caught in the binds of sexual sin. Truly the only hope is redemption in Christ.

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    • KAS_Wolf
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 1:57pm

      No, all sins are not the same. That is why there are the 7 deadly sins; mortal sins and venial sins.

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    • RANGER1965
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 2:12pm

      I believe Wolf’s point is that Sin is seperation from God. It all carries the exact same penalty….Death. Sure a good case could be made that some sins are more destructive. Some sins have a more profound and dramatic affect than others.

      But when we get down to the Nut Cuttin’ (sorry couldn’t resist), all sin carries the same SPIRITUAL Weight. Unforgiven, they all have the power to throw us into hell.

      RANGER

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  • thegreatcarnac
    Posted on April 27, 2012 at 1:36pm

    The So. Baptist should throw this crazy azz ‘leader’ to the wolves. He is not a leader..he is a compromiser. The Bible says a marriage is between a man and a woman. The Baptist should kick his butt out now before he poisons the whole religion with his idiocy.

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  • lukerw
    Posted on April 27, 2012 at 1:34pm

    YOU ARE GUILTY… of worshipping a CULTURE OF GUILT!

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    • trueamerican40
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 1:43pm

      These are the same ones that molest children and have affairs…sin is sin.

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    • MammalOne
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 1:53pm

      This, from a religion that tells us we‘re all guilty of sin the second we’re born.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on April 27, 2012 at 3:11pm

      Mammalone – Then what makes you a good person? You just use your own standards.

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  • MammalOne
    Posted on April 27, 2012 at 1:32pm

    must be a plant by Obama and George Sorros

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