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Bashing America, Gore Vidal and Lib Talker Opine: Wouldn‘t it be Better if Lincoln Didn’t Save the Union
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Rob in Adairsville
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 8:41amThe League of the South, which Glenn interviewed on CNN is a Confederate Revival group who believes the same thing. Both groups apparently don‘t understand that Lincoln was carrying out George Washington’s commission to put the National Union first above local discrimination. They tried to run a candidate for Governor in Georgia and I’m proud to say he was overwhelmingly defeated in the primary. There is lunacy on both sides and we have to stop giving them headlines. We surround them and we need to act like it and focus on truth and restoration.
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Report Post »Fear The Voices
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 8:38amThe only thing that would have been a positive with the south having had their way is that it would have given us more muscle in the fight for states rights today; otherwise, there would have been to positives.
Why on earth do the demoncrat supporters still vote for these their party. It is obvious to everyone else that their agenda has done little to promote unity, fairness, equality, and prosperity; yet they continue to fall for the rhetoric making them ever more dependent upon their slave master party. What may be even worse is that we continue to let them off the hook by perverting the decades of records about who actually pushed for their real freedoms via legislation.
Report Post »I think it’s time we all study up, then speak up with the facts when these poverty pimps try and reinterpret history to keep the shackles on their voting dependents.
charles48
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 8:28amis that guy drunk ive been around enough drunk people to know what they sound like hes mumbleing like hes wasted WTF no wonder socialist think the way they do thier always wasted off of something put down the bottle and step away from the microphone thank you lol
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 8:25amThe question should wouldn’t the nation be a better place had Lincoln not destroyed the nation in the first place, taken state rights from us, killed half the men in the south, sent down Yankee scum and foreign thugs to burn and rape women and children of the south?
Report Post »MiketheTrucker
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 8:21amYes, I‘m sure they’re correct. If the union had lost then we’d still have outright slavery, and the left wouldn’t have to use legislation and trickery to oppress minorities.
Report Post »Roxtar1968
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 8:21amWhen this man says’ “We are now a banana republic” he sounds a lot like Darth Sidious from Star Wars!
Report Post »WHATWOULDPATTONDO
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 10:52amlol yeah thats what i thought…….better watch out for Darth Vatar.
Report Post »MissCherryJones
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 7:38pmHe does!
Report Post »Notice that he emphatically agreed with the campaign of two years to claim the president is a citizen of another country or ANOTHER PLANET. What lunacy. I have to wonder how long before the majority of the American people start seeing these liberal elitist for who they really are and start equating them to King George.
guyperram
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 8:17amWhen I was growing up my mothers side of the family(from Arkamsas) still referred to the war as “The war of Northern Agression”, which was actually the truth. However, despite what the “Popular” misconception is, slavery was a much smaller issue than did a state have the right to leave the union? The north won, so the answer is “no”.
Report Post »The “progressives” have done a very good job of changing history and now the emphasis is on slavery. After all, they need a divided nation to make completion of their take over easier. When will we wake up to the truth? The problem with America is the Progressives, their thoughts and ideas which have done almost terminal damage to this country. While I defend their right to free speech, you must know the truth to put the lie to what they say.
By the way, Vidal’s book on Lincoln was almost as good a read as “Mein Kampf”, If you want a struggle, try reading Hitlers book.
murphytavern
Posted on November 15, 2010 at 2:22amif this person thinks that the civil war was exclusively about slavery then why did most of pres. Lincoln‘s speeches talk about bringing the union back together not until 1862 after the battle of Antietam when the north was assured that the british or the french would not entervene on the south’s benefit
Report Post »ItsallaboutJesus
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 8:15amIdiots!
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 11:29pmVery well stated.
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Report Post »wash1776
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 8:11amP.S. Long may OUR FLAG WAVE and not be burned or forced off of a child’s bicycle to appease the leftist, radical, progressive communists!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »wash1776
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 8:07amIt is so sad to hear this kind of trash. This interviewer was in politics for 42 years? I guess that is a good example of what has been going on that this country is now starting to realize. America is AN EXCEPTIONAL COUNTRY and they want to convince others that it is not. If we weren’t, we would be doing a Chavez or Amadinahjad on people like them. WIPE THEM OUT! Instead, they are allowed to spew their vitriolic propaganda because this country is and has been exceptional. It may be going in the wrong direction at the moment, but Nov. 2 shows that a sleeping giant is awake now and will be taking the country back to it’s former greatness. I say former as it has suffered from Obalmy and the Damocrats and that is about to end. GOD BLESS AMERICA AND ALL OF HER TRUE PATRIOTS!!!!
Report Post »Fear The Voices
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 8:55amSadly I suspect this victory to be short lived unless we really wake up as a nation. We have totally forsaken that which made us great….
With forty percent of people receiving some sort of benefit from the government, I suspect the fight to regain control from the left is going to take a truly serious effort. Too many people are being bought and paid for at working families expense. Until the truth is really made public and people can be convinced of it, they’re likely to keep buying the propaganda of the pigs that have defiled this nation.
Report Post »mrclean
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 2:02pm@fear the voices
Bullseye.
Report Post »The fight has only begun with the revolt at the polls on 11/2. Unless we follow through with the fight to put this ship back on its true course, the war will be lost. We need action, not reactiion…
JohnFourteenSix
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 8:02amIt’s amazing how libs only cry and whine about the American electoral system right after they get their butts kicked by conservatism.
Report Post »FYI….link for info about slavery & America’s Founders…. http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=120
whiskeyriverdevil
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 7:59amAmerican exceptionalism, yeah whatever happened to that?
Oh yes, the teachers stopped talking about it in our schools.
Parents got too busy trying to pay the bills to stay home and teach their children about this great nation.
American got so successful that we developed a luxury problem, and things like national pride took the back seat.
The country now is not the country I grew up in, nor the one you used to read about in books, or saw in movies and on tv.
There is a line drawn in the sand now. It was said before and holds true now:
AMERICA, Love it or leave it.
Report Post »Marylou7
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 7:52amThose two men are just sick and full of hate.
Report Post »truthwinz
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 7:49amTalk about a pointless discussion !
Report Post »There is no fool like an old fool.
Bob PA
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 7:46amThe almost impossibel task of defeating the British in the Revolutionary War was only made possible as Washington stated by Providential intervention. Because God played a role in our survival, we came to believe there must be a reason – that reason is America’s Exceptionalism. This country with all its flaws as Ronald Reagan has said is man’s last great hope, the shinning city on a hill. It has done more for humanity than any other force in the world. These people hate their country under the guise of loving it.
Report Post »mrclean
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 1:52pmBeautifully stated. We need another Washington to lead us back to how God envisioned our country. I further believe the USA is in all ways similar to what heaven is like.
Report Post »Supreme Galooti
Posted on November 15, 2010 at 11:54amI agree, except Lincoln has done more damage to the United States than any other president in history – including this current refugee from Uranus. The Civil War was NOT a civil war. The South should not have been prevented from seceding. It was their right to do so. Nowhere in the constitution is there anything that prevents a State from leaving. The “Union” was no Holy Grail of human political achievement, and should Texas or Alaska choose to flee this moribund conglomeration of idiots I would gladly join forces with them.
Report Post »WILLIAM E.
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 7:44amIt blows my mind when idiots play us as the worst country in the world why they do not pack up & move to their Utopia. Perhaps they like the freebies they get from the working class. If only they could have all made it in Hollywood they would be happier. Who knows.
Report Post »jimmythebullet
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 9:03amwilliam e.-
Report Post »my newly elected senator,Marco Rubio,had something to say regarding this matter.i can’t cite his comment word for word,but it went something like this- “if america is such a terrible place,why haven’t i ever heard of a boat full of americans hitting the shores of another country seeking asylum”
BobParker2003
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 7:33amA 2 year campaign to make the people believe Obama is an enemy of the country. What about the 8 year campaign against George Bush? That doesn‘t count of course because it was a truthful campaign in the Marxist’s mind. And voicing the belief that our country should not have been saved by Lincoln? Do these idiots realize that would also have extended slavery what 50, 100 years? The American people have come awake not been blinded by Obama’s critics. Remember fascism is just a narrow form of Marxism. He is more a fascist than a communist but there is no difference between them. They are both anti freedom as is Obama. Obama no matter where he was born was raised by communists, associated his whole life with the far left and can not now face the fact that his grossly radical ideas are rejected by the American people. You leftist scum are finally being exposed for what you are, anti-American all the way. God has Blessed America and He is the one that has exposed Obama and his far left crowd for what they are. e has forced them to expose them self thinking we were ready for Marxism/Fascism. Thank you Lord for helping the American public see the truth!.
Report Post »Fear The Voices
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 9:03amPerhaps this is God’s way of sending a warning shot across the bow…. Obammy isn’t just anti-American, he and his handlers are anti-freedom. Even God allows mankind to seek their will, the ability to choose; in what the left seeks to install upon us is nothing more than bondage, a nearly complete removal of those liberties granted to us by our creator.
Report Post »mrclean
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 1:47pmGod has Blessed America and He is the one that has exposed Obama and his far left crowd for what they are. e has forced them to expose them self thinking we were ready for Marxism/Fascism. Thank you Lord for helping the American public see the truth!.
Amen and let’s count our blessings. Satan’s minions, including obama, are deceivers just like their father. Bible says so……
Report Post »emertz8413
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:54amThe elites at their best!! Never liked his books either!!!
Report Post »Gideons Trumpet
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:54amI am fascinated by the phrase educated ignoramous. It seems to apply here. And they say we’re the stupid ones.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 7:22amWhere in the south do they take like this jerk? Sound more like a Californian
Report Post »Edwardosan
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:54amTo me it’s simple; If you hate this country so much, why not get out? Besides, we probably don’t want you here if you have that much hate in you.
Report Post »john seven eighteen
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 7:09amThey’re too elitist! They would rather just change the country to their own little Xanadu of leftist, holier-than-thou pity crap, and keep all of us evil conservatives out.
Report Post »starman70
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 10:12amPlanes and ships leave for Europe and other destinations every day. Why are these dimwits not on one of them?
Report Post »TRUTHSEEKINGAL
Posted on November 15, 2010 at 4:24amWhat? Leave the country and give up the cashcow that is the taxpayer and private industry? Progressives just want us conservatives to LEAN FORWARD, so they can pump some new life into that old ,yellowed document of “negative liberties”. After all they are the Lawyers. (pretty much the entire demo. party) so it’s only right that they should write their “Rule of Law”. We just aren’t capable of self-governance.We must be regulated if we re to attain Utopia/
Report Post »Sweet Sister
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:51amThe masks are coming off and now we see just how ugly and evil these people are.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:50amThere is no commie like an old commie.
Report Post »Conserving Ink
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:36amAs a southern man, I am offended at the idea that the Union would have been better off without us in the end. And NO, the Constitution did not condone slavery. It said all men where equal. The people of that time over looked the Constitution just like they do now.
And as a side note, notice that this guy sounds just like the Emperor from Star Wars? “Yeesss, embrace your anger!”
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Fear The Voices
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 8:43amThe left is no different from the old slave masters; they just see who the slaves should be differently today. They no longer see color, they only see ideology or party affiliation as the deciding factor.
Report Post »Chris G
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 9:36amI’m not gonna let myself be offended by that idea….I think the SOUTH would have been better off had it been allowed to secede. Salvery was dying out, & the Industrial Revolution was just around the corner, making it unnecessary. Yes, I know that the Constitution doesn’t permit confederations, etc. among the States, & I believe that’s one reason why they decided to secede.
Report Post »john seven eighteen
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:34amI i think maybe these two idiots are the aliens. How else does one come to hate their own country so much?
Report Post »G.W. Dobbs
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 7:27amHATE has no place in LOVE. It is one or the other. God is Love. Satan is Hate. “You shall know them by their fruits”. Easy enough.
Report Post »AnotherWay
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 8:54amG.W.
Yep.
1 Corinthians 16:14.
Like the speed of light, its not just a good idea. Its the law :)
Report Post »tobywil2
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 9:10amIf Mr. Obama is a citizen of the United States, why would he not release the information that proves his natural born citizen? It would be so easy to shut up his critics.! http://commonsense21c.com/
Report Post »mizflame98
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 9:44amis it me or did he sound like The Emperor when he said we are a Banana Republic?
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 9:56amcopious quantities of Bourbon
Report Post »felina g
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:22amEach day they get more brave. Let`s have the discussion.
Report Post »HouseNegro
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 7:12amWake up Black America! Your Master’s the democrates want to put you back in chains. Not that they really let you off the chain in the first place.
Report Post »G.W. Dobbs
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 7:24amPseudo-intellectual homosexuals do not want “discussion”; they want THEIR way. And I want MY way, which is to be rid of them and those of their ilk.
BehindBlueEyes
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 8:00amAnother intellectual, elitist, west coast, fruitcake, moron who I choose to ignore. (am I using too many adjectives?)
Report Post »HKS
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 8:06amIf ever there was justification to “get a rope” this is it. This guy hates this country so much he probably doesn’t sleep nights trying to figure out how to destroy it. This is one sick human and he has been working of this destruction, like Soros, all of his miserable life.
charliego
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 8:09am@housenegro
Report Post »I was pleased to see this remark. I have said for sometime I could not understand how the Democrats had-have such a strong effect upon these Americans when the Dems were only continuing to keep our fellow citizens in chains–albeit a different kind, but still chains of subjugation.Entitlement propagation a biggie. Our Black Americans (and other Americans) have proven time and time again their intellect, innovation,patriotism etc. To many, however, have succumbed to the clarion call-the progressives are subjugating all citizens now. Slavery has been a problem through millenia,either through conquest, colonialization or other factors in any nation of the world. The Constitution skirted the issue,(it was a huge bone of contention) but, in forming the nation, slavery was allowed to flourish. (If you have not visited the Black Quill and Ink site, please do so-there is some great info here to my way of thinking)
I will not pretend to be a scholar on this issue, but I felt highlighting your comment is important to reflect on. The clip is only valuable in stimulating reflection on words spoken which it accomplished. thank you
jimmythebullet
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 8:21ambehindblueeyes-
Report Post »there aren’t enough adjectives in the english language that you can attach to these mutants.
Fletch
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 8:24amOld queens are a sad sight
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 8:37amHe’s an elitist. His family were friends of the Kennedys, grandfather a senator, father worked for Roosevelt, he ran for senator in NY. He is just a washed up liberal looking for his last five minutes of fame.
Report Post »wildjoker5
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 8:58amAnd they say the Tea Parties want to bring us back to slavery. This is blatant call for everyone to be slaves. Can blacks get away from the party that wants slavery back, or are they going to keep 95% voting trend for the democrats?
Report Post »Dustyluv
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 9:03amDidnt he die of AIDS? Fairy dust must be keeping him alive…
Report Post »Chris G
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 9:31amLord knows that I am NOT sticking up for these ********, but personally I wish the South had been able to secede. The principles that were laid out in the Declaration were as valid in 1861 as they were when they were written in 1776 or even TODAY.
I am a proud Arkansawyer, & always have been. I hate it when I think of how strongly progressives in California, Chicago or the liberal Northeast are able to tell my State what to do. It doesn’t surprise me that Vidal is an admirer of Abraham Lincoln.
Report Post »mizflame98
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 9:42amYeah, I would love to still be considered chattel property working on some plantation. What idiots!
Report Post »ILFarmer
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 9:47amAt what point does this kind of talk become treasonous?
HKS
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 10:09amTo set the record straight, we have not been a capitalist society for fifty years or more. Socialist infiltration has been working at least that long. Since capitalism and socialism cannot co-exist in the same space, we must be considered a socialist society, (one cannot be slightly pregnant). With that said, what is failing right now is socialism.
End of story.
Report Post »LJ_4_JESUS
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 11:09am@CHARLIEGO
I agree with you about http://blackquillandink.com/ it is a very informative site that opens up eyes to what we have not been taught as a growing nation. I have two sites I read daily The Blase & Black Quill and Ink.
Report Post »MontanaMade
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 11:46amAll should read “Uncle Sam’s Plantation: How Big Government Enslaves America’s Poor and What We Can Do About It” by Star Parker (A Conservative Black Woman). She was a liberal on the government dole and learned that entotlements lead to modern versions of slavery. The more you spiral downward- the more you get. This book is a real eye opener on what ALL communities of ALL color need to know about their government and how to NOT just take, take, take!
Lincoln was in all arguments good and bad- good for creating a strong union and freeing slaves- bad for being the only President to declare war on his own people and taking away states rights. When the slaves were freed- they became slaves in an altogether different way- the Government now owned them and it continues to this very day!
Some day- some way- Dr ML King Jr.’s dream will come true- all will be free. But this will never happen until we all learn that the government is not the answer- just another master we all serve.
…Government of the people, by the people, for the people… A. Lincoln
Report Post »rebel
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 12:53pmslavery was in the constitution? i thought it wasn’t mentioned at all until the freeing of the slaves.
Report Post »i had forgotten how freaky sounding Gor Vidal is. Next halloween i’m gonna play his voice outside my house to keep the kids away
LadyLiberty
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 1:45pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55aujTwuJY8
Yes, lets start the discussion.
Report Post »NukeHaze
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:49pmWow, LadyLiberty… Strong video link there. Hard to believe he did this in Atlanta but the background does not lie. He is correct.
Gore Vidal is for lack of a better word, senile.
BTW the Emancipation Proclamation ended slavery in the Southern states post Civil War, not the Northern ones (though there were only 2 or 3 of them that still allowed it). Unfortunately, states rights were diminished post Civil War. To date, I believe the right to secede from the Union is reserved only by Texas. Anyway, we need to keep familys together and relearn family values so we can retain individual responsibility and individuality. These are things that are lost when we are enslaved whether it be by chains of iron or chains of debt. Only the elites come out on top if we lose our individuality.
Report Post »StMichelob
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 11:31pmIs it just me, or is this guy trying to lure us ‘to the dark side”…..He sounds JUST like the emporer in Star Wars.
Report Post »StMichelob
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 11:50pmTo answer some questions here, the founders were very torn about the issue of slavery. in order to make America, pre revolution, many compromises had to be made. Most founders despised the institution of slavery, including some southern delagates, but in order for The United States to exist, bargains had to be made. What they came up with is the 3/5ths clause, which meant that all slaves, and all Native Indians not taxed, counted as 3/5ths of a citizen for the census. This was NOT meant to deminish the status of slaves as humans, but to diminish the power of southern slave holding states in the house and senate….And all this was done because the founders believed, wrongly, that slavery, under a constitution which states “all men are created equal’, would eventually die on it’s own under the weight of integrity.
Report Post »When the first shots were fired at Ft. Sumner, Lincoln violated the 10th amendment, and did so throughout the war. He did not fight the war initially to free the slaves; this was the furthest from his thinking. The southern states threatened, and got secession by THEIR RIGHTS UNDER THE 10TH AMENDMENT. They were being forced by the federal government to act against their will. Remember folks, this country was founded as a Federation of States, bound in common will under a Federal umbrella. Under the founders version of the constitution, we were sovereign STATES.
Although Lincoln did what eventual HAD to be done in this country to abolish slavery, he did so at the cost of the 10th amendment. Slavery was an evil thing which cost hundreds of thousands of American lives to end, and SHOULD have ended on the floors of congress. The only thing Lincoln did wrong was to NOT address the rape of the 10th amendment, and NOT act to restore it stonger than it was before. THAT would have been true reconstruction, but our arrogant victors failed to even address that issue.
I hope this was informative, and i hope you all read into this. Like Beck says, do yer own damn homework…don’t believe me. And don’t look in any modern textbooks for these historical facts. They are all full of lies and modernist propaganda.
StMichelob
Posted on November 15, 2010 at 12:00amlol…all I hear from this senile relic is “Now witness the firepower of this fully ARMED and OPERATIONAL battle station!”
Report Post »StMichelob
Posted on November 15, 2010 at 12:08amAnd in case there is question, this is cut/pasted here, the exact verbage of the 10th amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Report Post »State’s rights, which are being horrible ignored right now. This is a simple sentence, created thus to be very simple in interpretation. Powers not given to the fed in the constitution are given to the several states to decide. Period. Ask California weed growers if that amendment still applies when the DEA crashes their doors when the are, by state law, legally allowed to grow medicinal marijuana on their property.
Agamemnon
Posted on November 15, 2010 at 11:28amGood article titles “Vidal Loco”
http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2010/02/hitchens-201002
Report Post »pajamash
Posted on November 15, 2010 at 6:44pmSure we would be in a different place you moron. And if you were in a southern state in that different worlds speaking treasonous the way you are you would be strung up.
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