Beck Asks Panel: How Do You Teach People Values When They Are Raised in a Secular World?
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It is a question that many of us have likely asked: How do you instill values in people — especially young people — when they are raised in an ever-increasingly secular world?
David Horowitz, Pastor Geronimo Aguilar and other faith-leaders joined Glenn Beck on Wednesday evening to discuss this very topic.
Citing the “domino effect” that has arisen since faith has come under fire, the panel delved into issues such as single-parent homes, the contributions of faith-keepers versus secularists, and the somewhat recent creation of the “underclass.”
Horowitz explained that “accountability” and “responsibility” — as core tenets of faith — gives one the power to change their lives for the better, thus reversing self-destructive behaviors. He also explained that the underclass is only a recent development dating back to the 1960′s and the Great Society, reminding that before those days there was the “working poor” who were able to advance themselves gradually throughout life.
“Now people are addicted to dependency,” Horowitz said.
Glenn led the engaging panel through a discussion of statistics, with one panelist adding that a few short decades ago, “75 percent of black children were born to two parents” and that one study suggested “90 percent” of all violent crimes were perpetrated by adults or teens who came from a one-parent home. Glenn reminded that splitting up families is a common tactic of those who seek to oppress.
Watch this fascinating discussion and weigh in below with your thoughts:
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13th Generation American
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 1:38amA panel of nut jobs and bigots, for gods sake, read these peoples bio’s will, Horowitz has been married 4 times and has had several retractions on his crazy baseless claims. The Pastor is nothing more than a crack pot. You people have google and don;t even use it.
Wake up
Report Post »Diane TX
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 2:17am13TH – maybe your bloodline has been here, too long! I’m just a third generation American, whose grandparents arrived during the great immigration of the early 1920′s. I’m not sure how far back 13 generations go back. The pilgrims were escaping the State religion of the Church of England. Was that 13 generations ago?
Report Post »13th Generation American
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 2:21amWe’ve been here for almost 400 years, there are 20 thousand of us from 1. What’s your point?
Report Post »wntsmallgov
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 4:38amSo your family must have come into the new world with columbus. I go back 8 generations in genealogy and it brings be back to about the late 1700′s. Once past that point it gets dicey with information. Unless you have every record of births and deaths in your family line?
Report Post »Robert Hawk
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 6:46amMy family actually fought at Kings Mountain to free this country from the British King. We have been here since the country was initiated. Then we were referred to as the over the mountain boys. There remain quite a few of us in the North Carolina Mountains until this very day.
If the Soviets win the current war we are engaged in with them (war of subversion), then my family would have fought and died in vain. I hate communism to the core ! Yes thats right I said HATE IT !
Report Post »Constantine Ivanov
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 1:30amI was brought up in a secular world called the USSR.
Nevertheless, I sucked in from my childhood the following:
Respect parents and any elederly (this is not observed consistently in the USA)
Modesty is a very good thing; immodesty, indiscretion, indelicacy are bad things.
Egoism and narcissism are a bad thing; altruism (unselfishness) is a good thing.
Honesty and honor are “a must”. Dishonesty and disgrace are things that made a person “non grata” in the society.
Work 6 days, rest the seventh (which was Sunday, just like in the USA; but hard working people, like myslef and many Americans, used to break that rule very often, jsut to work for money or love for labor)
Killing people and animals (except for hunting) is a very bad thing nobody should commit. Any killer will face a severe punishment (that rule was broken by Commies on a daily basis, but was strongly observed by all common people)
Committing adultery is another one very bad thing.
Stealing is a very bad thing.
False accusations are a very bad thing, too.
Coveting your neighbor’s wife and/or house and any other belongings is a very bad thing.
The most precious thing man has is Life.
Therefore, all possible efforts should be applied to preserve Life. Only few principles are more precious than Life: honor, freedom, and love for parents, spouse, closest relatives, and friends
To be continued…
Report Post »Constantine Ivanov
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 1:44amSex without love is a very bad thing.
Pregnant woman must be well taken care of.
Abortion is a very bad thing and should only be made in some rare extreme cases. It never must be made in late terms when a fetus possesses all human features and sensitivity.
A Person must rely on his/her own labor to achieve anything respectful and honorable in his/her life.
Don’t rely on anything but self. Don’t expect the God will help you, if you don’t help yourself. Don’t use the name of Lord in vain.
A person must always labor: “he who doesn’t work, should not eat” was the common rule in the USSR (though Commies treated that rule in a very specific way).
All people must strive for peace.
Many other very much Conservative principles have I sucked in from my childhood.
Apparently, almost all principles I inherited from my childhood are very close if not identical to the Ten Commandments. Why were and still are those principles very much alive in secular Commie country? Because they became an integral part of the Western civilization, no matter religious or atheist society we are talking about.
Does my testimony aim at religion? No.
I fully respect religious people, as long as they are not fanatics. I am outraged by the obama’s war against Christianity.
But…I am not sure that Glenn Beck is right implying that one can’t be brought up properly in a secular world.
Report Post »AxelPhantom
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 1:58amSon of Ivan,
My son played hockey away from home a year ago on the east coast. His main complaint was the way the other players treated their parents. He could not believe the things they would say to them!
He chose instead to hang out with the three Russian players on the team (even though their English was not very good) He calls them still to this day “my Russians” and talks to them on the internet. He was raised with all of the values you listed above.
Despite having been raised in a secular environment you benefited from generations (and a culture) of people who were deeply religious (Moja Matka jest Polska). I think in the US we have taken for granted the freedoms we have and as such have forgotten their worth.
Report Post »Diane TX
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 2:02am@ Constantine Ivanov
Your post is excellent! However, your statement – “Because they became an integral part of the Western civilization, no matter religious or atheist society we are talking about”, reflects my previous posts that the USA Laws and society are based on Judea-Christian religious values. That’s the simple truth. The USA wouldn’t be the USA without the base of the Ten Commandments. We, the People, are commanded by God to live our lives by the moral authority of God – not by a governmental authority. We’re “good” because we know that it’s right, in our hearts.
Report Post »Tandem2011
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 3:30amI agree, Constantine. Stereotyping groups or classes of people is an age-old flaw and pastime for lots of folks around the world. The minute I say I respect and admire the Christians I know or observe, I’m quickly reminded that most of them are really no better than the intelligent, thoughtful and courteous people I‘ve known who don’t particularly believe in a religion or a god. Many people who were brought up with religion will outgrow it or cynically reject it at some point…as they probably should since it no longer makes them peaceful or happy.
As I see it, any religion or secular philosophy that encourages love, tolerance, science in education, and personal responsibility, etc., is as good as the next. But when religions claim exclusivity — for example, that “only through the Son, Jesus, can you get to the Father”…or that Muhammad is the “Seal of the Prophets” (the final Messenger) — this is a grab for a religious monopoly.
Consider how little most Christians know about their own history: about how the New and Old Testaments came to be in their present forms or what the historical Jesus must have really looked like and behaved within the scientific context of his time, place, societal mix and Jewish traditions.
Christian scholars have uncovered an amazing amount in the last 100 years to vastly enlighten believers but how many of them take the time to study their published works?
Glenn Beck should be more open to spiritual truths beyond just Jesus.
Report Post »Tidewater_VA
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 4:56amThe wife and I tried for over 5 years to have children without any luck. Plenty of medicine and wasted time/hope and we finally called it quits! Discovered its nearly impossible at this point in life but now we are both thinking we dodged a bullet. Can’t imagine bringing life into this world……..
Report Post »ConservativeCanucklehead
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 5:10amThe religious have got to give up the childish notion that without religion there can be no morals, no ethics, no values.
Report Post »Robert Hawk
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 6:10amYour upbringing in the USSR was not without religion/faith/belief Ivanov as you might suggest. The USSR is a nation which practices the Theocracy called communism, as defined by Hegel’s students Marx and Engels. The point that you and all the other in this video ignore (either on purpose or out of ignorance) is that Marx & Engels did believe in a doctrine as did their mentor Hegel. They all believe in the doctrine of Greek philos-sophos, specifically the Stoic version. Many of the morals you describe bare bound up in the basic beliefs of the Stoic philos-sophos (Stoic sophists). The Stoic sophists believe in truth as defined by the dialectic. You were taught dialectics at a very young age in the USSR. You were also taught the morals of the Stoic sophists, truth, virtue, etc. Your upbringing in the USSR was much like that of Alexander the great of Macedonia as he was raised using the identical doctrine.
It is the soviet KGB subversion tactics which are causing the decay of our society in the USA. These tactics are used to bring about a state of crisis which is controlled via normalization. Glenn has described this condition as Top down, Bottom up, Inside out. However Yuri Bezemnov and Anatoliy Golitsyn go into greater detail as to how the system actually works. The USA is deeply in the throws of the stage of crisis at this point in time. That is why Putin is rising back to power, he is well aware of the game and its intended outcome.
Report Post »Lotus4115
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 6:55amHow do we know that Christians are delusional?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVuw1wEuaAQ&feature=plcp&context=C39955c7UDOEgsToPDskLc7Ezn06wfpigwGGAjbZgN
End the delusion: http://www.youtube.com/user/GIIVideo/videos
Report Post »louise
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 8:07amRobert Hawk,
I never heard of the hegelian dialectic until 10-12 years ago. It really helped me to understand how people through indoctrination can be totally manipulated over a period of time.
Back then, I learned that those who are in control use the dialectic like this: To get the desired results that a person, or group of people want, they orchestrate an event that causes fear in the masses (such as a false flag)…so that they masses will demand a ‘solution’…..then the original group of people who orchestrated the false flag in the first place will step onto the national (or world) stage and declare that they indeed have the “solution to the problem.” Legislation and/or wars soon follow to correct the “problem.” Fear subsides, and the people have just been manipulated into accepting what the original group wanted to happen all along.
This tactic is successful because people have been programmed into the mindset of “consensus” which says that ‘if most people go along with this and think it is ok, then it must be right.’
What about those who see through this indoctrination and manipulation? They are the ones who must sound the alarm and tell others what is really happening.
Report Post »Some will see this from a secular world view. Imho, unless people are given new eyes to see with, and new ears to hear with, they will not see nor hear the truth of what is occurring around them.
Apart from God, we can do nothing.
With God all things are possible.
Locked
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 8:23amGreat post, Constantine. Completely agree with most of those values, and I fully echo your final statement: “But…I am not sure that Glenn Beck is right implying that one can’t be brought up properly in a secular world.”
Some of the nicest people I’ve met are a-religious (technically, agnostic atheists, who say “I don’t see any evidence for gods, but we can’t know for sure”). Some of the meanest people are so-called “Christians,” usually of the fundamentalist type. But of course, there are all sorts in between. The kindest, most loving family I’ve ever known is Roman Catholic. I‘ve never met a Mormon who wasn’t polite and friendly. I might not agree with either of their philosophies completely, but that doesn’t stop them from being wonderful people and parents.
I personally never understood “the need” to have religion as a basis. Before you cheat someone, do you stop and think “Oh, but God will send me to Hell for this”? No, you refuse to cheat someone because it hurts them, you could get caught, and you wouldn’t want someone to cheat you. It doesn’t take religious upbringing to have empathy, a concept of risk, or honor.
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 8:46amconstantine. it sounds very much like the ten commandments without reference to the God who gave them to us.
Report Post »AmeriCat
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:05pmWhat kind of values does this teach…..
Choose a truly Conservative candidate for President,
and then ask that person to have a Liberal as Vice President?
Is that a mixed message? …or a message that values don’t count?
Conservative Pres and Progressive Alinsky-schooled (true)RINO Liberal VP?
Anyway, someone on GBTV radio this morning asked Santorum….
Report Post »if, given the situation, would he choose Romney as Vice President….
Excuse me? Zero Values. No George Washington here….!
SecularConservative
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:12pmMy comment was deleted off of here? WOW, what a bunch of wimps haha
Report Post »oldguy49
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:17pmconservative…………..look up how much our society has changed since they took prayer and relegion out of our schools……….you might be supprised
Report Post »JRook
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:30pm@Diane TX The discussion and of course your post are crock. Respect, responsibility, honor, courtesy, humbleness, etc. are not faith based values. Nor as demonstrated by the several posts absent from what you would consider secular or let’s admit it, non-christian households or countries. No doubt GB could use a reminding about the humble thing.
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:31pm“Values” come from an inherent individual desire to be respected (http://www.ourcivilisation.com/study.htm) by ourselves and each other, as a social set of values. Setting and living to a standard different from the surrounding influences, higher, was admired in the day.
Today, we suffer from “lowest common denominator” syndrome. Where being animal “IS” more admired than mastering unrestrained self satisfaction.
Back filling a void in some ones character foundation is not easy. The desire has to be theirs, though. Values are what you will be remembered for long after you are gone. If you are worth remembering at all.
Report Post »Al J Zira
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:42pm@ConservativeCanucklehead: You’re blurring the lines. Religious people believe that there are no morals, ethics or values without God. That is not a childish notion, it’s the truth. As a secularist what are you basing your morals on? The earth? The sun god Ra! Or are your morals based on what is handed down by the government? Enlighten me so I can abandon my childish notions.
Report Post »SecularConservative
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:49pm@AL J ZIRA
Where do you think the morals came from before the Bible? The authors of the Bible that created your Christian gods had to get them from somewhere. Being honest and treating your family with respect has been around well before the first religions.
Report Post »churchlady
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 2:16pm@SecularConservative: Before the bible? God was with Adam and Eve in the garden. He’s been with us from the VERY beginning – not just since ‘biblical authors made him up’. We’ve had records of it as well from the beginning of time – where do you think the bible originated? Just because you choose not to believe it doesn’t mean a thing. In fact, I believe that the scriptures warn of learned men…
Report Post »neozon
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 7:34pm@churchlady There was no such thing as Adam and Eve. The bible was constructed when they believed the world was flat. Heaven was above, hell was below. Oh yeah, the world is round and that has been proven. We came from evolution and that has been proven. If you want to keep your eyes close, than go right ahead!
Report Post »ConservativeCanucklehead
Posted on February 10, 2012 at 1:46amAL J ZIRA
Report Post »You want me to explain how there could be morality without God. Kinda puts me in mind of someone demanding an explanation for Christmas presents without Santa …
“So yeah seriously, if there’s no Santa Claus then like how how did all these presents get under the tree? Ya think they just appeared there all by themselves?! Like it’s so obvious that Santa has to be real. And you just got powned by my brain power!”
As I said, childish.
smithclar3nc3
Posted on February 10, 2012 at 9:42amconstantine,
Report Post »You’re pretty much describing the values of most people in rural America. It’s the cities that harbor sin and inhumanity that crush soul against concrete. That create indifference on a level unheard of. Where justice and injustice is based in oppinion note principles. Where morality is dictated by society and not the other way around. Where the immoral acts allowed by one generation,is accepted by the next and the the immoral acts that are accepted by one generation are embraced and celebrated by the next. The downward spiral of humanity and moral society. That‘s not to say that rural America is immuned it’s not it is just taking longer in those areas for it to take hold. As we aren’t surrounded by it daily.
Aerocog
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 1:16amToday, families and churches taught our youngsters values and knowledge. And even when public school came along families and faith was heavily involved. Now kids are just dumped at school as babysitters, so our kids grow up reckless and angered. They’re then put at the mercy of the public education systems for all their learning and then you have little devils that come in and mettle with the curriculum. I’m not a total advocate for home schooling, but seriously parents if you want you kids to be good, teach them, talk to them, and help them. Let them think and explore, let them inquire on issues instead of sticking them in sanitized classroom where making people feel good is the good and not actually lessons are being taught. Be involved with your kids in a way where they are their own beings that think and innovate.
Report Post »wntsmallgov
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 4:56amThat is partly true. But the Schools are ok with medication for kids yet they teach No to Drugs.The unions teach that kids are just the tools to soak up money and they rather not teach but rather indoctrine our kids into the Socialists way. “World dictatorship can be established only when the victory of socialism has been achieved in certain countries or groups of countries … [and] when these federation of republics have finally grown into a world union of Soviet Socialist Republics uniting the whole of mankind under the hegemony of the international proletariat organized as a state.
[After Communism succeeds] …then, there will come a peace across the earth” Joesph Stalin
Report Post »TheObamanation
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 1:05amIs that you Anthony Weiner ?
Report Post »TheObamanation
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:48amSecular values … What’s mine is mine … what’s yours is mine.
Report Post »Diane TX
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 1:09amExactly! I was in my late teens to early twenties during the times of things like Woodstock, Communes and Love Fest. None of them continue today because there are always guys who are in these things for the girls who will have sex with anyone; and the guys and girls who are too whacked-out on drugs to do anything but breathe.
Successful people “DO” things. They create art, businesses, and ideas that actually improve the lives of all of us.
Report Post »jay1975
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 11:23amNot even close. I am secular and have morals and values based on my own observations of the world. I respect life and the law and ask the same of others. I do not need a god or gods to tell me what is right or wrong. I treat others as I want to be treated, some call it the golden rule, I call it common sense.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 11:54am@ JAY
You are right that people can have morals and values without God. I am guessing that you were born and raised in the U. S. and had the benefits of a mature culture founded on Judeo-Christians principles. If you were to go to an uninhabited island with 100,000 secular people, how would you determine what morals you wanted to require for your community? Do you presume that all secular people share the same moral standards you possess?
Report Post »jay1975
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:02pmCOPATRIOTS, people have been around much longer than Christianity or Judaism, yet somehow existed together in relative peace. You could even argue that many of the Judeo-Christian values come from Buddhist teachings which existed before any of the Abrahamic religions. Values are based on societal norms. This is can be seen today in Africa and South America where small tribes of families exist outside of the developed world that live in peace without god, or with many lesser gods. It is mans nature to be sociable and as such, man adapts rules and laws so that we can be sociable with minimal threat of harm.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:34pmI wasn’t saying Judeo-Christian morals were the only standard rather that it was likely the culture you have been a beneficiary. There are very few cultures/tribes that have been found to be exclusively secular. The pre-Christian, secular Waodanis considered murder perfectly acceptable in their tribe.
In a wholly-secular world, how does one establish whose morals prevail?
Report Post »Red1492
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:35pmMany codes and values were long established before the bible was written. Otherwise we’d still be living in caves and wandering the plains. I think people have an instinctual knowledge of right and wrong however, it must be properly fostered.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 1:04pm@JAY
Relative peace? Really?
Truly no sarcasm intended in my reply.
I would be very interested in a detailed explanation, or even just some links to sources for some info.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 1:06pmTrue RED but of the civilizations that have contributed most to the advancement of society, none were secular.
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 1:59pmPeople have been around much longer than Christianity or Judaism, Not so fast Judaism is as old as man himself it starts at the genesis of man’s creation. And as for Christianity it’s basicly 2012 years old we know this because the death of christ was so profound that it gave time to references BC and AD. Say what you want it’s a free country but no other man that walked the earth had a more profound effect on society and civilization as Jesus Christ. While some distorted his message used it for political finanical and power gains they all eventually parished but his message lives on.
Report Post »You can believe or not believe in him and all things one can achieve through him it‘s you’re right. But you can’t deny the positive effects his power has in the hearts and hands of true believers. iT feeds starting people around the world,build wells in arid areas,heal the sicks,and is the first to respond when those in need. It walked the battlefeild of world wars unarmed caring for the injuried and sick.
No secular society in history could even be the tip of the iceberg that is Christian humanity
copatriots
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 2:33pmI agree, SMITH. But I‘m learning you can’t speak to atheists or secularists using the tenets of Christianity as they then distort the discussion to attacking your religion while simultaneously considering themselves tolerant and peaceful. I marvel at how atheists/secularists have so little regard for the historical context, rule-of-law, freedoms as well as societal advancements from the very Judeo-Christian culture in which they had the great blessing (er, fortune) to have been born.
Report Post »conservatype
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:40amThe left DO teach values: IE the Occupy movement, global warming, BIG government, gay marriage, socialism, environmentalism………..
Report Post »democritusoilder267
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:36amI’m a deist and when I have a family I will raise my children secular. Anyone who is religious (Muslim, Christian, etc) are confused to see how someone can raise their children without the aid of religious customs. To me there is more to humanity then following religion. I believe in God but I cannot accept religion because I see it as immoral.
Report Post »TERIPA
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:45amGo here and see what you think:
http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com
Report Post »democritusoilder267
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:49amInteresting website. Like I mentioned I‘m happy where I’m at in my life. Over the years I have studied all kinds of religions and philosophies about human life. I feel all religion was influenced from the minds of mankind in explaining why we’re here; how we should live our lives in order to get to heaven, etc.
Report Post »wntsmallgov
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:56amSorry to say that the immorality comes from people who are corrupt and it starts in a thought process like progressiveism. Any thing that has an “ism” is bad and leads to some type of dictatorship. Much like we see when Obama bypasses the Congress or Political heads of departments make mandates.
The fact is that the the US Government is corrupt on all three counts. Mentally, Physically and Spiritually. I am Christian but I do not follow the Roman Catholic views because I have faith and do not put stock into the fact that a priest or pastor has the right meaning behind every passage.
IF that prevents me being taken on the day of the rapture. Then I will reevaluate my faith in God.
I am tired of the left and the so called intellect of our country calling me names when I have done nothing to them. I do not know them nor do I deal with them on a day to day process. If I am being labeled as an Enemy of the State because I belive in God, Constitution, and that American is an Exceptional country. That words like Freedom, Honor, Respect, Responsiblity, and Self Reliant is bad then so be it, I will not change my views and will not change how I teach my kids.
Report Post »TERIPA
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 1:00amThx for response.
Report Post »I hope you will visit that site daily.
Prayer warriors are so needed.
There are messages coming, almost daily now.
Peace & blessings.
DaveOregon
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 1:28amDon’t confuse being religious – with following a particular religion. I’m a religous person – but hold to one religion. All have some common sense, all have some level of morality. I beleive in a supreme source – whatever that is, something that set this all in motion. Nope, can’t say I understand the purpose. Nope, can’t say I understand the “mind’ or thinking of such an entity. Morals or ethics are what these gentlemen are talking about. Ther is nothing inherently christian about the golden rule or even the 10 commandments – other religions that predate christianity have much the same rules and commandments. They about following rules that allow you to be free and others to be free of you. It’s “how to get along”. The rest is all posturing and getting converts – yes, the base nature of man. That the Universe works, that that the World ecosystem works, that our bodies work like they do, all that – that is not an accident. Quantum physics, gravity, all the wonders of the Univers by accident. Really? Choas to Creation, to Chaos to Creation (life, death, birth, life , death, birth) over and over with all the millions of varibles – and it all “works”. Sorry – not an accident. Ethics and morals – nothing wrong with the 10 Commandaments and Golden Rule. After life? Who know – looking forward to finding out :)
Report Post »democritusoilder267
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 1:45amI understand what you’re saying. As someone who just believes in God it is difficult to explain why I believe in God and what are my beliefs. To me not being an atheist or following a particular religion confuses people. I accept evolution and feel there is so form of creation. Not as described in the bible, quran, or other religious text; I believe there is a supreme deity that created everything and science is a way of finding out more about that creation.
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 6:44am@DaveOregon,
First, you’ve got a logical fallacy in your statement about the universe. You’re making an argument from incredulity. Just because the universe seems fantastical to you does not imply it was designed. At best, we can say we don’t know why or how the universe was formed.
Second, the ten commandments would have been a better moral guide if it had only one commandment, “Be excellent to each other”.
Report Post »MrMagoo
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:25amThe Bible is a stepping stone….7:47 on the video.
We used to have the Golden Rule posted in the classroom when I was a kid.
One day an authority on the law stood up to put Jesus to the test. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to receive eternal life?”
Report Post »What is written in the Law?” Jesus replied. “How do you understand it?” He answered, “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Love him with all your strength and with all your mind.’ And, ‘Love your neighbor as you love yourself.’ ”
“You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do that, and you will live.”.
TERIPA
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:55amThere you go! That’s all we had to remember.
But, that bit of education was the basis of the rest of our lives.
We always came back to those words, and got through everything.
If they would just stop resisting! Only one I’m sorry, & help me, &
He would grace them with the Holy Spirit, without them even knowing!
Mr. Magoo!
Jesus needs you here as a warrior for the remnant church:
http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com
Good postings here, too:
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kaydeebeau
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 6:21amThe first 4 Commandments are about our relationship with God – thus love the Lord your God… The remaining 6 are regarding our relationship with others. Love your neighbor as yourself….
Report Post »TERIPA
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:23amThanks Rand Paul. I hope they will all speak up!
Obama & all lefties have the wrong source of TRUTH,
making them angry & impatience, because there’s
no happiness, in seeking your own will.
If they only realized how much Jesus loves them.
You start teaching by example,
And, a whole lot of prayer, that they
will be granted the grace to listen,
& be enlightened.
Then let go & let God, grow the seed
you have planted.
Then, just maybe, they will come to the life
for which they were destined, living in
God’s Holy Will.
They must give God permission
to will His Will.
Our prayer can work wonders & miracles.
Do it! Pray for them!
http://www.HolyLove.org
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Lotus4115
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 7:26amWhat meds are you on?
Report Post »LinkedIn G
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:23amYou can’t, you just can’t.
Report Post »MrMagoo
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:14amThe whole discussion is terrific. but at 7:47 on …….thanks much .;)Horowitz and Glenn are great as ever.
Report Post »JJBlazeReader
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:10am..
It is up to the family, churches and religious institutions to teach the values we need as a society. Unfortunately churches and religious institutions did not push back against atheists/secularists who preached unbridled freedom with no responsibility. As with many of our current problems it started in the 1960’s and was preached from our so called intelligentsia and learning institutions.
Christians need to stay engaged and push back.
Unfortunately it has become acceptable to insult, ridicule, shout down and berate Christians but if these same tactics were used against anyone else, it would be called for what it is, the spewing forth of hatred, bigotry and intolerance.
Christians must no longer be intimidated by atheists/secularists calling us intolerant when it is atheists/secularists who are intolerant and destroying the very fabric of our society.
Christians must stand up and speak as it is our right to do. We will not be shouted down or made to feel inferior because we believe in God. It is Christians who hold life sacred. It is Christians, with the help of God, who created this nation that is a shining beacon to humanity.
1 Corinthians 16:13 – be strong.
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Exrepublisheep
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:27amNicely said.
Report Post »ConservativeBrony
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:07amThe concept that you have to have religion or be religious to have values and be a good person is absolutely retarded. It doesn’t take much to hold yourself to high morals and strict values. It’s not a religious choice, it’s a personal choice. You have to ask yourself if you are willing to hold yourself accountable and be a better person. Most values are simple common sense, be treated how you want to be treated. Doesn’t take much at all.
Report Post »Diane TX
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:30amI wonder how you knew what was right or wrong? Someone along the line must have taught you, as a child, that it was wrong to steal, cheat, lie, or harm or kill another human being. As I said previously, ALL of the Laws of the USA are based on Judea-Christian beliefs. Religion played a major part in the formation of our Nation. You may believe that it isn’t necessary to have religious beliefs, but religion was the foundation of the Laws we have today. Perhaps you would prefer a dictator who declares that only those of the same Class as he, have any rights to prosper and/or own property. In ancient times in Europe, only Royalty was allowed to wear clothing that was purple.
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Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:53amHmm, Maybe because my Mother told me? She believed in Greek god, does that make her bad? Just because the laws are based off them doesn’t mean you have to be Christian or any religion to understand right and wrong. I believe in Cthulhu, yet I know right and wrong, am conservative, believe in small Constitutional government, and would be willing to risk my life to help a perfect stranger because that‘s what’s right. You seem to be brainwashed to believe anyone not believing in your religion to be some god-less communist. I have nothing against Christianity as the rest of my family is Christian, but it doesn’t take religion or a religious person just to see right and wrong. Oh and royalty was generally controlled by the church and used it to do it’s bidding. I rest my point, you don’t need or have to have religion to be a good person and stick to high morals and strict values, just common sense.
Report Post »wntsmallgov
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 1:02amI do not have religion but faith. And there is a diffrence. Just like the left says that Socialism/Marxism/Progressism and Communism are not the same are wrong. The end product is the same. Control of the state through ridicule, Fear, and violence if needed. Much like what the Unions and OWS see as a jusitfication for the end product.
Report Post »AxelPhantom
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 2:44amNature’s laws (see the Declaration of Independence) also happen to coincide with the Ten Commandments, they are universal laws governing the individual behaviors to raise society to a higher plane and not self-destruct.
The problem is when positive law (laws of man) conflicts with natural law as is now begining to happen globally. What you end up with is self-destruction.
Report Post »wntsmallgov
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 4:22amNature’s laws (see the Declaration of Independence) also happen to coincide with the Ten Commandments, they are universal laws governing the individual behaviors to raise society to a higher plane and not self-destruct.
The problem is when positive law (laws of man) conflicts with natural law as is now begining to happen globally. What you end up with is self-destruction.
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Report Post »I see the 10 Commandments as the basic laws given to man. The Book of Wisdom (depending on the bible could be under another book name) also shows the way to deal with everyday living.
The Declaration and Constitution was devine inspired and when we get away from the combination of Consittution and Bible we have troubled times. Stalin has been quoted “World dictatorship can be established only when the victory of socialism has been achieved in certain countries or groups of countries … [and] when these federation of republics have finally grown into a world union of Soviet Socialist Republics uniting the whole of mankind under the hegemony of the international proletariat organized as a state.“ and ”America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality, and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within”
This is what happens when we get away from God’s word.
Locked
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 8:39am@Axel
“Nature’s laws (see the Declaration of Independence) also happen to coincide with the Ten Commandments, they are universal laws governing the individual behaviors to raise society to a higher plane and not self-destruct.”
I always find it odd when people say this. Only half of the Commandments are in the Constitution or our laws (let alone the Declaration of Independence). The first four appear nowhere in our laws, nor are they required to learn “values.“ Where in the Constitution are we told ”Do not take the Lord’s name in vain”? Where is “Keep Holy the Sabbath”?
The latter 6 are all decent values, but most are found in the laws of all countries. Saying “don’t murder, don’t steal, don’t bear false witness“ is ”Christian-only” is false at best and a lie at worst. Saying “Honor your parents, don’t commit adultery, and don‘t be envious of others’ possessions“ is ”Christian-only” is false at best and a lie at worst; look at cultures all around the world who have the exact same values.
Our forefathers were mostly Christian, but the 10 Commandments can hardly claim a hold upon our laws and Constitution.
Report Post »AxelPhantom
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:09pmDo not take the Lord’s name in vain. They capitalized “Creator” which is part of that commandment.
Keep Holy the Sabbath. People don’t take a day off from work ever? No they need a day or two to recharge.
These are likewise expressions of Natural Law. So yes it will appear in other societies. The 10 Commandments are natural law as given to the people of Israel by God (please refer to Rabbi Lapin’s appearance this past week)
Some other Natural Law is the preservation of the family unit for the purposes of raising children and pursuing property, don’t destroy your bodies with substance abuse, do not contribute to the denigration of the family by committing adultery.
When you look at the societies that ignore these things, they are destroyed or fail to develop as a whole.
The purposes of the 10 Commandments and Natural Law is the same. The lifting up of society as a whole through behaviors that allow the individual to prosper.
Report Post »AxelPhantom
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:12pmLocked,
The Declaration is Natural Law the Constitution is positive law. The second does not stand without the first.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 3:03pm@Axel
“Do not take the Lord’s name in vain. They capitalized “Creator” which is part of that commandment.
Keep Holy the Sabbath. People don’t take a day off from work ever? No they need a day or two to recharge.”
Quite the stretch, especially the Sabbath, as there’s nothing in the Declaration nor Constitution about it (which was your initial point). I‘d agree that the founders’ Christian faith played a role; but the Commandments are not part of our legal system more so than any other faith’s rules are. As for Natural Laws, I’d argue again that the first four are not “Natural,” but specific to Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
Report Post »ldaopines
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:05amFor libertarians who object to Beck talking so much about religion, know that true individual freedom can’t really exist without a shared moral code that keeps society honest, compassionate, decent, caring, and trustworthy. Otherwise, the strong hand of government will swoop in, get rid of it’s perceived troublemakers, and lay down its own control. Religion is an important partner to individual freedom. Some of you can maintain good values without it, but the masses really can’t. Take a look at the news.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 6:23pmI guess my problem with your point is HIS religious beliefs seem to have him advocating another war in the middle east, which I’m strongly against. Especially a preemptive strike. I hardly call that compassionate. Furthermore, I’m not really finding him all that trustworthy lately. The truth may not have an agenda, but GB certainly seems to. Perhaps I’m wrong with my skepticism.
Report Post »Diane TX
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:03amHere in the USA, all of our Laws are based on the Judea-Christian religions. The Commandants of each are almost identical. Like, thy shall not kill; thy shall not steal; thy shall not commit adultery; thy shall not covet thy neighbor’s goods, and so on. Religion is what makes a civilization.
The problem with a mere “man” commanding the rest of us to obey the aforementioned commandants, is what gives a mere “man” the authority to command the rest of us?
The current problem with the Obama Care dictate that organizations are dictated to that they MUST provide insurance plans that provide conception devices and abortive medications to all, at no cost to their employees, are in direct contradiction with the tenets of many religions.
Government is not a religion, so why would any free hum\an being allow mere “men” to command them to do anything?
Report Post »mr molotov cocktail
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:12ami am telling you big things are going to happen-
Report Post »anon has hacked all the christian churchs they are going to release so much info on mormonism and catholics and evangelicals its going to be funny~!
the whole lot of you are going to be shown as twisted sick freaks~!
mr molotov cocktail
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:22amthe churchs should stay out of big business –
Report Post »stick to religion then-stay out of big business
no double standards any church that wants to get into the secular business world pay up or shut up
you are a un-godly false christian reprobate
LinkedIn G
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:28amYou are so right Diane TX
Report Post »Fearnone
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:44amMr Cockytail, this is an adult only site.
Report Post »Diane TX
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:46am@ mr molotov cocktail
Anonymous is nothing more than a bigoted, anti-intolerant, miscreant organization of Socialists, Marxists and Communists. You would think that they would have learned that none of their anti-freedom ideals – JUST DON’T WORK!
Report Post »Diane TX
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 1:32am@ ConservativeBrony,
Cthulhu? You believe in a comic book character? That’s pretty funny. I’ve studied Greek and Roman Gods for entertainment, and in their time, they were considered to be a religion. So … I guess your Mom was into religion. You also mention Christian believers among your family members. Whether you accept it or not, your morals were heavily influenced by religious dogma. I’m glad that you have a good moral compass, (wish everyone did), – it’s source is based on religion.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 8:43am@Diane
“The Commandants of each are almost identical. Like, thy shall not kill; thy shall not steal; thy shall not commit adultery; thy shall not covet thy neighbor’s goods, and so on. Religion is what makes a civilization.”
What about “Keep holy the Sabbath, have no God but the Lord, create no false idols, and don‘t take the Lord’s name in vain”? It’s a difficult position to take, saying “Our civilization is based on a Christian religion when almost half of the Commandments make no appearance in our laws or Constitution.
Our founding fathers were mostly Christian and influenced by their faith; that’s a fact. But to say you need a religion to make a civilization? Blatantly false. You need shared values and common law; but a religion is not needed for those.
Report Post »jay1975
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 11:31amOnly three of ten commandments are common law; no murder, no theft and no false testimony. The other seven are not laws. Of the three that are laws, they are common laws pretty much in every nation with rules, regardless of religion. In fact, it is arguable that none of our laws are bible based, rather based on the magna carta.
Report Post »jonhall316
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 11:58pmDid values exist prior to our dominate religions. Sure they did. Of course values change over time but as our self awareness takes a more dominate position we in turn become aware of others. Awareness and understanding creates our modern interpretation of values. Religion can just as easily warp our values, I would site violent religious extremists all over the world, but that part is easy. Identifying bad things always is. Though I am agnostic I believe religion can be valuable to those who pursue it. I only wish those believers could stand back and see the value of my position as I see the value in theirs.
Report Post »thegrassroots
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 8:56am@jon316
Christianity isn’t a religion and Jesus Never Changes!
Religions are legalistic systems set up by men in their attempts to reach God. = Men thinking that if they do certain good works or faithfully perform certain rituals they will make themselves good enough to be accepted by God.
It’s no wonder that folks eventually become fed up with religion. Religions are self defeating in that all man made attempts to reach God are futile.
Christianity Is Almighty God, Our Loving Heavenly Father, Reaching Out To Us By Sending His Son, Jesus Christ, To Be Our Savior and Our Redeemer. Jesus Is “Immanuel” = “God With Us.” [Matthew 1:23 & Isaiah 7:14]
The Bible Is The Living Word Of God. WithIn The Bible Is EveryThing We Need To Know About God and About Who Jesus Is and What Who Jesus Is Means To Each and EveryOne Of Us.
A Good Place To Start Reading The Bible Is The Gospel Of John. Ask Jesus To Reveal Himself To You While Reading His Holy and Living Word and He Will!
Report Post »The Third Archon
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 11:53pm“reminding that before those days there was the “working poor” who were able to advance themselves gradually throughout life.
“Now people are addicted to dependency,” Horowitz said.”
1) People have been more impoverished for longer periods than since the Great Society to now (both here and elsewhere)–what about the Great Depression? What about pre-Industrial America? What about approximately 1/3 (the enslaved third) of antebellum southern America? What about the Irish during the Potato famine (or under British rule in general) or India under the same? All of those groups lived in greater numbers at lower standards of living or for longer at the same or lower standards, then we currently are in. What about them? Were they addicted to dependence too?
2) It‘s funny that you should note how poor people’s class mobility has vanished in the past fifty years, yet not lament that fact whatsoever. What I find even more astounding is how rhetorically graceful you are to flip the observation that the poor, the largest plurality, uniquely among social classes, has not increased its social mobility, a lamentable and curious exception, to a mark of shame and culpability on their own part–OF COURSE, the poor are to blame for their condition; OBVIOUSLY they are just poor, stupid, and lazy, with no desire to better their lives–OBVIOUSLY they COULD have been successful but CHOOSE not to be–everyone of them COULD have been a CEO.
Report Post »MS-GlenNBC
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 11:51pmBECK ASKS PANEL: HOW DO YOU TEACH PEOPLE VALUES WHEN THEY ARE RAISED IN A SECULAR WORLD?
Easy, Start by attacking Newt Gingrich for 2-1/2 months.
Also, don’t report on George Soros backing Romney or THIS, http://cnsnews.com/news/article/romney-romneycare-first-subsidize-then-mandate Listen to Romney talk about Healthcare…
Report Post »Nick84
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 11:50pmHow do you teach which biblical values to follow when there are numerous examples of “good” people doing immoral things in the bible?
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 8:32amThe message of the Bible is not about the men or women in the Bible, it’s about the God of the Bible. There was nothining immoral about Christ, he is the example and no other.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 11:48pmyou do not teach values, you showcase them and those around you adopt them.
secular raised people have values, they are just different. They value the group, not the individual freedoms. they value life as long as it is an animal, and not a baby in the womb.
Report Post »jay1975
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:47amI am secular and value each life, in the womb or out. I value individual liberty and abhor liberalism. Your close mindedness is why I will never be “religious” as people like you sit and judge others you do not even know. I respect and obey the law and teach my kids to treat others as they want to be treated. Why is it so hard for believers to understand that others can have a moral, values based life without their god?
Report Post »justangry
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 3:42pm@RangerP, Confused here… You lump secular people into a group then say that they value the group rather than the individual freedoms? So despising a group is ok, but it’s somehow bad to value the group? Your way off-based with your collectivism and hypocricy.
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 11:45pmEverything we are seeing is straight out of the communists rule book for taking down a nation,,and has been done the same way many times before..My hope is we are strong enough to see are way through and restore the values that make us a great nation
Report Post »The Third Archon
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 11:45pm“…and the somewhat recent creation of the “underclass.”
Report Post »Uh…“somewhat recent”? I take it you haven’t studied history…like any of it.
Firesaber
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 11:44pmThat’s easy, just read 2084: the search for love, hope, and faith. Eventually the state is going to take over the rearing of children. There is a war against the family as the Communist determined that the strength of America came from the family. The state hates the family and God because they are sources of authority that supersede the State’s authority over people.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 11:46pmNazi Germany and the Soviet Union favored the state instead of the family raising the children. How is that any different from what the left wing in this country wants to do?
Report Post »The Third Archon
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 11:44pm“BECK ASKS PANEL: HOW DO YOU TEACH PEOPLE VALUES WHEN THEY ARE RAISED IN A SECULAR WORLD?”
Report Post »Simple–don’t be an ******* to other people. Basic reciprocity is a good start–beyond that, you must internalize your own reasons and understanding of the highest moral good; no one else can do that for you, though they can offer suggestions, they CANNOT decide for you what is the good.
Git-R-Done
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 11:45pmWho‘s to say that it’s moral to be good to other people? And what does it mean to be good to other people?
Report Post »The Third Archon
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 11:55pmWell only you can decide for yourself what’s good. I personally believe that the highest good is to dedicate one‘s life to advancing humanity’s knowledge and power–the worth of one‘s actions is their usefulness to one’s fellows.
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:15amthe golden rule comes to mind
Report Post »CatB
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:15amHow about the OLD Golden Rule … or is that too “religious” …
“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”
Report Post »justafollower
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 9:21amI WILL decide what I think is good. And I think that good is killing jews. Is that cool?
The golden rule? Where did that come from btw? You can’t just make up right and wrong it has to come from somewhere. We Americans think we’re so cool and so smart that we can just MAKE UP our own moral code. WE DECIDE!! you morons have no idea how wrong you are. It comes from somewhere. In order to remain a cohesive culture (which many can easily argue we no longer are) we have to decide where that is. Otherwise…. enjoy the collapse =)
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 1:50pmI believe the golden rule came directly from Jesus..I could be wrong…but its still a good rule!
Report Post »angelcat
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 11:43pmValues have to be re-inforced in the home. They call for the exercise of self- control and putting others before yourself. To too many people, that takes too much effort and means they can’t just do what they want to do when they want to do it. Values also mean that some things are always wrong, and that makes liberals uncomfortable because it means all behavior and lifestyles are NOT equal and good. I’m not sure how we can re-establish a moral society with values as long as liberals and some others worry more about political correctness and equality of outcome and every lifestyle than they do about what is REALLY right and wrong and can’t even agree to the validity of the 10 Commandments.
Report Post »neverending
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:40amAgree with all that you say. Our so called Christian churches have become so tolerant and they basically are nothing more then social gatherings. It is so amazing that generally speaking if a pastor’s message extends beyond 30 minutes it is nearly the end of the world but people will sit for hours and hours to watch various sports events. Until we take II Chronicles 7:14 seriously we will continue on the slide to moral decay. We are becoming an absolute cesspool. There is no wrong anymore because all behavior is justified, excused as “just having fun” and the beat goes on. OR live like the devil – say I am sorry – it will be different all the while the wrong continues on. Starts in our schools and continues on twofold in the Universities and the so called Christian universities are without a doubt the worst offenders. Just pull up the you tubes from some of the biggest and best known one and you will see for yourself. It is beyond belief and sometimes I believe God must look down upon us and just weep!
Report Post »riverdog1
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 11:55amis it that same bible that teaches its ok to stone your children to death if they misbehave or that the sun revolves around the earth? no thanks
Report Post »Osaka
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 2:06pm@Riverdog Nice strawman. You purposely take out of context the stoning of a disobedient, gluttonous, drunkard, unwilling-to-change adult son (not a child, which also we have no record of actually happening in Jewish society, not to mention BOTH parents and the entire community would have to okay for it to happen in the first place), and add something some cardinal said which is listed nowhere in the Bible (the sun around the earth malarkey). If your morals are so high and mighty, by all means define them for us so we can know exactly which seat of judgment you’re pointing your finger from. (by the way, Christians understand that in Christ the law of Moses was fulfilled–aka the law you claim to have a problem with–and that when Christ arrived we “graduated” to a higher law, which is why Christians would think you‘re very odd and misinformed for thinking we’d want to have anyone stoned for any reason).
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