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yippyio
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:44pmBeck you are a ****.
Report Post »John 3:16
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:43pmHey trolls you would like to stop us but only 1/3 of the angels were kicked out with Satin: That means we have your little group out numbered two to one according to God’s word. The liberal leaning polsters know that it will be the same at the next election too. So you better go hide in your cave.
Report Post »Liberal_Atheist_Critical_Thinker
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:54pmJohn,
You are Begging the Question. How do you know these things to be true? Or does your simply stating things make them become real?
Report Post »Bob_R_OathKeeper
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 10:20pmThat‘s why it’s called FAITH. You are looking for definitive proof of God’s existence, you’ll never get it in this life. It would be way too easy then but people like you would probably still doubt, some people are just evil and if that’s you, then own it. Quit asking people for proof because you’ll never be satisfied either way and like I said before, you’ll never get it. I sense you and others just love mocking people‘s faith because it’s easy, you and the others would never do this to Islamic people, especially face-to-face in a mosque, you people are at the very least, cowards.
Report Post »OneofMany
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 10:49pmLazy Thinker…. go read “Christian Apologetic” by Dr. Norman Giesler no atheist has ever refuted this work and you could be the first to do it… go ahead and give it a read… It starts with philosophical arguments for the existence of God and the arguments against it and shows how the arguments against are fundamentally flawed.
Report Post »Bear
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:42pmWhy do Socialist and Communist think any of us want them running our lives? Are you hippies so pathetic that you can’t run your own so you try and make us all as miserable as you, taking everyone else freedom and their possessions? Really go get a life on your own, you Stupid,Liberal,Socialist Retards!
Report Post »Dougral
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:40pmFree speech means you can state you opinion freely. It doesn’t mean you can pick whatever venue you like.
Report Post »Redrivermma
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:39pmFree speech does not apply to private property. No one has a right to demonstrate or cause any kind of disturbance or incite any kind of disturbance on private property. The area gets a little grey when defining private verses public when dealing with ‘access’. But since there is no reason for anyone to believe that a church service is a public forum, regardless of access, then the outbursts were intended to cause a disturbance and the church was completely correct to have the people removed. If this was allowed, then there would be debates breaking out all over the country at churches every sunday, just like we see on these boards when the atheists attack the Believers any time a “pro-God” post is made. I watched the video, Glenn does not say that this was a free speech issue, he said that the protesters claim it is. Watch the video, people, before you jump all over Glenn.
Report Post »RationalMan
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 10:42pmTrue what your saying about the video,
Report Post »I think Glenn, also protected/defend that marine soldier at the funeral couple months ago, when the “religious protester” distracted the family services. This was an “EVIL” practice.
Thomas Payne
Posted on May 19, 2011 at 11:58amPublic or private doesn’t matter. The law says you can NOT exercise ANY right if in doing so you are interrupting anothers free exercise thereof. The protesters are interrupting the reverend’s free speech, and the congregation’s freedom of religion.
Report Post »Patriot Z
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:39pmyep the lord works in mysterious ways. but the liberal and islamist adgenda is clear as day. im athiest kid. your so busy trying to be cool and show how smart you think you are you cant figure out some simple truths. you may not believe in a god. I may not, but muslims DO. in fact they believe so strongly that they are willijng to blow themselves up to prove it. 2) they dont care if you dont like israel. once they are done destroying it, they will come after smart ass lil libs like yourself. 3) a bullet for a stupid believer will still kill. 4) they do not want tolerance they want domination. either you accept their version of god or they kill you. like i said. you are so buzy making fun of the ‘stupido bible thumpers’ that you cant even tell how much danger you are in.
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:55pmbullspit.
I understand well the threat of Islamic nutbags.
I also understand that confronting these nutbags is best done with reason and tempered lawful justice.
ISLAM MUST BE CIVILIZED not killed off!
get friggin real.
Report Post »RavenMaven
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 10:18pm@Butcher — “I also understand that confronting these nutbags is best done with reason and tempered lawful justice.”
Exactly when in the last 2000 years has that ever worked. I dare you to come up with one example of a time when someone reasoned their way out of not being blown up by one of these Neanderthals.
Report Post »You can not reason with them, because they have been bred for the express purpose of killing you. You do realize that a double digit percentage of radical islamists ( that would be hundreds of thousands of them in case you are math challenged) would shoot you in the head right now if given the chance. They would not ask your opinion, inquire about your religious sensibilities, make sure there were no children nearby, try to reach an accord, listen to your point of view, BANG you are gone- no questions asked. And then they would kill your family too. And you want to be reasoned and tempered in your approach. They are killers, not statesmen. You do not use diplomacy on killers. You overwhelm them with absolute force and obliterate them. There is no compromise on their part, there can be no compromise on ours. There is no such thing as a timid living lion tamer.
MrButcher
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 10:45pmwell, judging by your logic, we should just start killing everyone we disagree with.
I would love to direct your attention to ancient Andalusia where, if it wasn’t for the muslims and the jews who lived there peacefully, Christindom would have no record of the greeks and their writings on morality and reason because Augustine ordered all of those writings burned, destroyed and forbidden.
Modern day Islam is 600 years behind modern day Christianity and 2000 years behind modern day Judaism….keep that fact in mind.
I will gladly stand up and die for your right to be free to think, feel and do as you please.
The fool hast said in his heart their is a god.
cheers
Report Post »RavenMaven
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 11:10pm@Butcher- “well, judging by your logic, we should just start killing everyone we disagree with.”
OK, you are a lost cause on the God thing. Would you at least admit that there is such a thing as Good and Evil? Or did your college professors rationalize all that stuff out of you also? Such perfect little drones these college students are… Anyway, Good and evil, so have you noticed that we historically don’t go around randomly killing people that don;t subscribe to our culture or beliefs? Have you noticed that we don’t just attack Indonesia, or Tibet, or China, or anybody else for that matter. Like Israel, we strive for peace. But as the only nation on the planet capable of confronting any true evil that exists, we are going to have to kick in from time to time to prevent evil from winning.
You say Islam is 600 years behind, Which is probably about right. So what do you suggest, we just tolerate them killing us until they catch up and realize the error of their ways? Should we let them keep killing everyone else until they figure it out? We should just stand by and let them run amok over the planet killing everyone who does not face mecca at noon? That is your plan? We have a right and a duty to defend ourselves and the world from this menace. We did not pick this fight, but we will not back down from it either. I understand your desire to respectfully disagree, but in so doing, please realize that your brand of pacifism is what allowed Hitler to take power.
Report Post »quizibo
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 11:49pmAmericans did pick this fight, as soon as America started spreading its imperialism into those Middle Eastern countries and building permanent bases on their holy land and raping their women that is when they started hating America. This isnt something that just happened ten years ago as much as your media tells you that. They dont hate your ‘freedom’ or else these terrorist would be threatening and attacking other countries that are truly freer than America, you know like Canada, New Zealand, Norway, Switzerland, in which case they dont. Its because America has expanded into their holy land. As Ron Paul says, how would you like it if China started tearing down your buildings and building up their military bases and have a military presence on your land? I know for a fact the Japanese and most of Europe hate Americans for that reason. INB4 “well who cares if other countries hate us.” Well, its not about hate and like its about respect.
Report Post »Bob_R_OathKeeper
Posted on May 18, 2011 at 12:20amYour liberal education is showing, you might want to lower your skirt.
Report Post »RationalMan
Posted on May 18, 2011 at 12:56amHmmm, who are you directing this too????
Report Post »RationalMan
Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:07amThis was directed to: Bob_R_OathKeeper
Report Post »Posted on May 18, 2011 at 12:20am
Hmmm, who are you directing this too????
RavenMaven
Posted on May 18, 2011 at 12:36am@quizibo- Imperialism? Rape? Military Bases on their Holy Land? Norway is freer than the U.S? Respect? What the heck are you talking about? You are holding up a European Monarchy with a state run church and a state controlled economy as an example of freedom? Do you have any idea what freedom actually is?
America did not expand into their holy land. They expanded into Israel’s. America was founded on Judeo-Christian faith based values and principles and as such we support Israel. They invaded Israel. You have it backwards. It is not their Holy Land, it is Israel’s. I am not talking about ten years ago, this fight has been going on for centuries. It is not about military bases, or your false allegations of rape. However, if you are European, and you owe your life and your country’s sovereignty to the fact that 185,000 Americans gave their lives to liberate your country from Hitler, then a bit of land for a military base that helps keep you free doesn’t seem like a big price for you to pay. Just sayin…
Report Post »RationalMan
Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:16amRave,
America was founded on Judeo-Christian faith based values and principles
NO IT WASN”T! I can “PROVE” you’re wrong!
It was founded on “Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness!
Now why did I say that?????? Don’t wary God is guiding you, right?
Report Post »RavenMaven
Posted on May 18, 2011 at 2:00am@RationalMan –
“NO IT WASN”T! I can “PROVE” you’re wrong! It was founded on “Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness!”
OK, I’ll bite. What is your proof? Why did you say that? I can’t wait to hear how you spin this one! To avoid embarrassment, make sure you really know the true origins of that phrase before you type your response. I bet I have forgotten more about real American History than you have ever known about it…
Report Post »Joshua Tyler
Posted on May 18, 2011 at 8:14amI agree with Rationalman. And, I think that your disagreement with him, is not that you don’t think that America was founded on “Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness”, but that you think that it was also “founded on Judeo-Christian faith based values and principles”.
He is right, you are wrong, and I will happily take [your] challenge.
The framers of the Declaration of Independence didn’t refer to “nature’s god”, and “the laws of nature”, by accident. They were Deists that didn’t have much nice to say about the Christian religion. And that, is a matter of history when it is not being revised by Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh.
Report Post »RavenMaven
Posted on May 18, 2011 at 11:26am@Joshua- You are just giving me Rachel Maddow talking points. Do the actual research and get back to me. I’ll give you a head start:
“To the corruptions of Christianity I am, indeed, opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian, in the only sense in which he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines, in preference to all others; ascribing to himself every human excellence….” – Thomas Jefferson
Jefferson, like myself, rejected most of the precepts of organized religion as man made doctrine that can not be ascribed to God. yet he Embraced God and believed in Jesus. He just didn;t swing with whole Catholic thing. Your use of the word Deist in your post infers that he was an athiest, when clearly he was not. Since Jefferson was The framer of the Declaration of Independence I suppose your sweeping plural statement about the Framers all being deists was really just talking about him.
Report Post »RavenMaven
Posted on May 18, 2011 at 11:51amBy the way Joshua, Just which God is it that they mean when they say Nature’s God? Do you think he meant Zeus? Buddha? Or Maybe it was the God of Moses, to whom he gave the commandments which are referred to as Nature’s Law, because even people who have never heard them still instinctively know them.
Report Post »Joshua Tyler
Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:09pm@RavenMaven
“By the way Joshua, Just which God is it that they mean when they say Nature’s God? Do you think he meant Zeus? Buddha?” – RM
They meant the God of Deism. Jefferson, essentially, gave the God of Deism a new name, right there in the penning of the Declaration of Independence. Jefferson, it seems, was devilishly cleavor in his initial push towards a secular American government.
“Or Maybe it was the God of Moses, to whom he gave the commandments which are referred to as Nature’s Law, because even people who have never heard them still instinctively know them.” – RM
This is the first time I’ve ever seen this argument. It’s pretty bizarre, as far I’m concerned. The Ten Commandments, the story goes, were given to Moses to control and repress man’s natural instincts. Trying to pretend that there‘s an association between the Ten Commandment’s and “The Laws of Nature”, I think, is bit of a stretch.
But please, knock yourself out, and provide some scripture that makes this parallel, I’m fascinated.
Report Post »RavenMaven
Posted on May 18, 2011 at 2:52pm@joshua “They meant the God of Deism. Jefferson, essentially, gave the God of Deism a new name, right there in the penning of the Declaration of Independence. Jefferson, it seems, was devilishly cleavor in his initial push towards a secular American government.” -JT
No. I think you gave God a new name as you penned your post. The quote I provided clearly indicates that he was referring to the God of Moses, Jesus, Muhammed, The Pope and John Smith.
Report Post »Most of the world’s religions all pray to the same God, they just differ on doctrine. And Yes, the framers did want the government to not be in the religion business, which includes atheism. If you notice, the establishment clause specifically limits government’s ability to influence religion, but places no limitation anywhere in the Constitution on faith influencing government. They had no such intention. They expressly stated that the country was founded on the laws of God.
Joshua Tyler
Posted on May 18, 2011 at 12:14pm@ RavenMaven
Nice try, but you trailed off there, rather conveniently. That passage ends “. . . and believing he never claimed any other.”
It clarifies, and completely changes the meaning of what you are trying to portray as truth. This is precisely what Mr. Limbaugh and Mr. Beck do.
Jefferson believed in the “precepts” of Jesus’ teachings. He did not beleive in the supernatural and miraculous claims found in the King James version of the Bible (please see the Jefferson Bible). He’s saying that he believes in a historic Jesus, not a “Divine” Jesus, and that, accord to his own reading of the New Testament, Jesus had not made the claim.
Paine, Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, and Franklin were all Deists in my book. Washington was the only one that tried to hide it, and that was because of Martha.
I could give you about a dozen whopper quotes from these guys that show how they felt about “Christianity”. Do really want to go down that “who’s got the best quote path”? Because, on top of that, I can go to one of Rush and Glenn‘s ’supposed’ favorite heroes for some seriously whopper quotes. Thomas Paine, the patriot that came up the name of our country, “The United States of America”, and helped win the American Revolution with his awesome pamphlet titled “Common Sense”, also wrote a book called “The Age of Reason”. He and Jefferson were good buds. If you’d like, I‘d be glad to post some of Jefferson’s buddy’s quotes. Just say the wor
Report Post »Joshua Tyler
Posted on May 18, 2011 at 12:31pmI must have been two over the character limit, and didn’t notice it . Reminds me of the Ponty Python guys standing in the Deadly Rabbit’s cave, reading the carved “Arrrrrrrrrrrghhhh. . .”
Report Post »Dudley Do-Right
Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:17pmAnd what about the other 51 signers of the Declaration? Or do you believe the framers didn’t consider their beliefs also? You can twist this any way you like but the truth is, this country was founded on Christian principles. Just because Jefferson penned the Declaration, that doesn’t mean it only refers to his Deist beliefs! The framers believed our rights were granted by a power greater than government, they were endowed by our creator and since they came from a power greater than government, government couldn’t take them away. Most of our founders were Christian…read that link I posted from The Library of Congress!
Report Post »RationalMan
Posted on May 19, 2011 at 12:47amDudley Do-Right
Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:17pm
You can twist this any way you like but the truth is, this country was founded on Christian principles.
Again what would you do to non-believers or other religions, who don”t hold Christian principles and values?
I think you’ll do what the Radical Muslims are doing in the Middle East!!!!
Report Post »RavenMaven
Posted on May 19, 2011 at 1:03am@RationalMan – You are confusing Doctrine with Principals. No one is arguing that the United States was ever intended to be a theocracy. No one is arguing that the Government should force religious beliefs of any kind on anyone. The argument is that the Constitution was written and the country was founded on the premise that people have Unalienable Rights, endowed by their Creator, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. This concept did not originate with Aristotle, as you suggest, it was originated by the Creator himself. I know that statists have a hard time with the concept that Rights do not get handed out by Government, but this is the truth. The Constitution is based on Common Law, an extension of Natural Law which supercedes the laws of Nations. It is God’s Law. To deny the existence of God is to deny the existence of these unalienable rights. If rights are given by government, then rights can be taken away by government.
Report Post »RationalMan
Posted on May 20, 2011 at 12:43amDo your homework!
Report Post »RavenMaven
Posted on May 18, 2011 at 2:42pm@joshua – I didn’t leave anything out. I quoted the relevant part. I am arguing that the country was formed on Judeo-Christian VALUES AND PRINCIPLES, not that the country was somehow intended to governed by a theocracy. Jefferson’s rejection of organized religion is of no consequence to his strong faith in God and his belief in the teachings of Jesus. As a Deist, he was undecided as to whether Jesus was a Messiah or a Rabbi, but that did not prevent him from recognizing the Truth of His word. The inclusion of the terms Nature’s God and Laws of Nature are undoubtedly more influenced by the thinking of John Locke than of any of the other Framers, as Jefferson was a student of Locke. Locke’s treatment of natural law is such that it represents that moral sense we each have innately, given by God, that let’s us decipher right from wrong, and gives us our freedom and free will. Locke, like Jefferson, recognized that to be part of our spirit rather than our flesh, but expressed it in a way that was not dependent on any particular religious doctrine. These basic tenets transcend religion, man made law, and politics, and installed in us by God.
Report Post »RationalMan
Posted on May 19, 2011 at 12:33amRavenMaven,
Embarrassment? LOL You to crack me up…:)
“Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness!” was founded by “Aristotle” a none religious man, unlike, Plato who was religious.
Aristotle, as a freethinker that every individual has a “Right to Choose” and do it “Voluntary” and not by force! Why are you “Forcing” people who don’t believe in God, are forced to obey “Christans Laws”? Look at religion laws that are being enforce on us, next, it’ll be “Sharia Laws”!
Report Post »Yep, you’re walking into the fog of the unknown!
quizibo
Posted on May 18, 2011 at 4:37amAmerica was not founded as on the basis that it would be a religious nation, Norway and New Zealand are better examples of a freer democracy that works obviously by their GDP, non existent debt and the structure of democracy and economy, those are facts you can not spin, as for the whole Israel comment, you have been spending too much time at Beck University with your head up his ass, dig yourself out of there and grab a breath of fresh air. Read real history books and not just ones that Beck steers you too and you will see how wrong he is on every subject he twists to support his views.
Report Post »RavenMaven
Posted on May 18, 2011 at 11:12am@ Quizibo – If GDP per capita is the best indicator of Freedom, wouldn’t Qatar be the freest nation on earth? There is no direct correlation between freedom and GDP, although freer peoples are generally more productive. Freedom is completely incompatible with State controlled economies and state controlled religion. You do realize that government control is the exact opposite of freedom, don’t you? You also realize that democracy does equate to freedom either don’t you? A democracy is useless if all the choices result in the same state controlled outcome. You are equating good monetary policy with freedom, and that is just wrong.
Report Post »twinelm
Posted on May 18, 2011 at 12:14pmHistory Lesson 101. America IS NOT A DEMOCRACY. When will you communists get that through your head… or is lying just what you do best. We are a REPUBLIC. Big difference. Look it up.
Report Post »Bob_R_OathKeeper
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 11:11pmI’m sure you would see it that way, survival must mean nothing to you, you’re a joke and a bad one. I see you put words into my mouth too, typical. “kill everyone who disagrees with you” disagreement is one thing, a physical attack or threat of one, is another, you apparently do not know the difference. I take them seriously especially when they’ve proven they are more than willing to take action, anyone with half a brain would know this, sorry you have less than that.
Report Post »ellietoo
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 10:20pmMany of those “uncivilized” Islamics are the most educated people in the world. Many were educated in the U.S.in leading universities. It is not lack of education that makes these people think the way they do it is their radical religious beliefs. I work with Islamic Physicians that hate anything western but they don’t mind earning our American dollars and sending them home to kill American soldiers. They try to “educate” me on how my government is trying to rewrite the Koran. Yeah, right. They can’t even write a decent budget and these guys think they are rewriting the Koran. Wake up!
Report Post »Bob_R_OathKeeper
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 10:55pm“Islam must be civilized” LOL How many centuries must go on for this to happen? Will never happen when they worship the great deceiver.
Report Post »Bear
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:57pmwell said Patriot Z! These confused college kids think they are smart,,they have been told for a while now that their countrymen are their enemies,long enough their child brains believe it! I serve no Deity either but simple logic tells me who wants to kill me and my Country men,,,and it’s not Israel! Its shameful that their are some Americans that will sell his American brothers down the river,pretty retarded if you ask me!
Report Post »Mary M. Tebbe
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 10:05pmpatriot z: Hmmm. Very good! I’ll let you call me a “stupido bible thumper” just this once, because I like the way that you took critical thinker down to size. He deserved it!!! :) Therefore, my hat’s off to you this evening. LOL That was a good one. Even my husband laughed.
Report Post »Dudley Do-Right
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:39pmTake a look at what the Palestinians teach their youth in school texts! By the way…save this link for future reference, their Myths & Facts section has every answer you ever needed to know!
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/patext1.html
Report Post »Liberal_Atheist_Critical_Thinker
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:43pmDudley Do-Right -
“Take a look at what the Palestinians teach their youth in school texts! ”
So religious inculcation justifies killing innocent children? Can any Christian registered here just come out and say killing innocent children is morally reprehensible without adding a “But” at the end of the sentence!
What would Jesus say if he read this thread?
Report Post »Dudley Do-Right
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:54pmJihad – already in the 2nd grade, Palestinian pupils learn that Jordanian young men are eager to sacrifice their lives for the jihad, to defend the Arab character of Palestine. Another textbook states that the Arabs and the Muslims will fight the Jews who evicted them from their homes. In the 8th grade, the students learn that the usurpers have crossed all boundaries and therefore the time has come for jihad, to unsheathe the sharp sword.
Show me where the Israeli’s teach their children this hatred toward anyone…but it’s good to see you mention Jesus, he’s always on your mind huh?
Report Post »mingfurecon
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:36pmEvery power in the world has become what it is through struggle, so naturally there will be millions of casualties and wrongs committed during the arc of civilizations, and no doubt were one to look at the history of mexico there would be a plethora of wrongs. The self righteous who make absurd claims have never had to suffer incarceration, torture, and degradation. Dissidents would be the exception of course and they can be found across the globe. It gets down to anti-semitism and the piling on as it were in an unstable region, due in large part to the disgraceful conduct of the potus dufus maximus.
Report Post »All nations are guilty and we all have blood on our hands to varying degrees, so the Israeli’s are not perfect and the deep rooted hate does not bode well for the world period. So choose your side and get ready to fight.
obama_binpharteen
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:33pmHere’s why I think it is free speech, although I disagree with what they did. This is a church on private property that is open to anyone who wishes to attend church. I’m sure as these protesters walked through the church doors, they were welcomed with open arms by church members. I hate to say it, but that does not sound like trespassing.
Report Post »KCXD45
Posted on May 18, 2011 at 9:24amDoes a person have the right to go to a packed movie theater and disrupt the movie for all those there? If you say no there then you understand there are indeed limits to where a person may exercise their “free speech.”
Report Post »Thomas Payne
Posted on May 19, 2011 at 11:54amYou can NOT exercise any right if in doing so you are disrupting someone elses exercising of their right. In this instance the reverend is exercising his freedom of speech, and religion. The shouters are disrupting his free exercise thereof. You can’t do that.
Report Post »Bob_R_OathKeeper
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:22pmAtlas_Shagged – By your moniker, I can tell you don’t like Beck, so why are you here listening to something you don’t want to hear? Just leave, how stupid are you to come here and put yourself through such “evil” words? Pathetic.
Report Post »mikebo2
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:15pmMy opinion is:
Report Post »This is a set up to try and get Christians to react violently.
Don’t do it.
BurntHills
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:14pmthat was not free speech, that was obama-endorsed organized communist chaos. against Americans, against Christians, and against Israel.
time to start publicly putting the blame for America’s spiral into chaos exactly straight where it goes, this is all on obama, the worst national atrocity to FOUL AMERICA and the INCITER-IN-CHIEF/COMMUNITY ORGANIZER.
Report Post »Liberal_Atheist_Critical_Thinker
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:13pm“While legally yes they may have been practicing free speech the fact is they went in to disrupt, not offer a debate or different opinion”
BUT – perhaps the LORD was doing this as a test? To see if the congregation could deal with such a disruption.
How do you know how the LORD works, he works in mysterious ways …
Report Post »blackcatrun
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 10:01pmIt was a not a debate. It wasnt a town hall meeting. They had no right to free speech inside the church. It is a church that people attend to communicate with God. The idiots that stood up and disrupt that communication with God violated the rights of those in attend to that church.. That becomes ABUSE of anouther RIGHT to liberty and freedom. These usurpers abused the liberty of those in attendance to the church of thier choice.
Report Post »They violated the rights for citizens to Practice thier Religion peacefully. Violations of such kinds cannot stand and those whom abused the rights of fellow citizens need authority to relay that message so next time they decide to abuse anouthers rights they end up in court using some right to defend thier actions.
ClockKing
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 10:08pmAnd the Lord creates warriors who bring down cities when need be. Be careful you Soros puppet.
Report Post »RavenMaven
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 10:25pmHe has faith. You have sarcasm, pompousness, and a morbidly inflated self confidence, none of which are a practical replacement for faith.
Report Post »Renee1966
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 10:30pmHow do you know The Lord works in mysterious ways if you don’t believe in God?
Report Post »Dudley Do-Right
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:08pmMurray Rothbard explains why free speech is a property right
“Take, for example, the “human right” of free speech. Freedom of speech is supposed to mean the right of everyone to say whatever he likes. But the neglected question is: Where? Where does a man have this right? He certainly does not have it on property on which he is trespassing. In short, he has this right only either on his own property or on the property of someone who has agreed, as a gift or in a rental contract, to allow him on the premises. In fact, then, there is no such thing as a separate “right to free speech”; there is only a man’s property right: the right to do as he wills with his own or to make voluntary agreements with other property owners.”
http://mises.org/daily/2569
Report Post »republitarian
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 8:59pmJust imagine if it were common practice for members from one church to disrupt the services of another.
These people have no sense of decency.
Report Post »Liberal_Atheist_Critical_Thinker
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:15pm“Just imagine if it were common practice for members from one church to disrupt the services of another”
Oh, I’m imagining it now. I really am. :-)
Report Post »ClockKing
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 10:07pmBring it, punk. Beck may be part of the pacifist faithful, but it’s getting near time to be bring back the Church Militant.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 8:52pmA grand man taught us years ago that as CHRISTIANS we need to remember to pray asking GOD’s protection over us before we get out of bed, really, but surely before we leave our homes. Each day we wake up we are entering HIS battle again and we dare not leave without prayer for HIS protection, HIS guidance, HIS intervention, HIS love.
Be good to pray over our own children, pets, homes, vehicles, churches, places of work, etc. We are in a war, a spiritual war, and we must be as well trained and prepared as our service men and women are when they go into battle.
May our LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST bless each and every one of you. May HE hold you close and may you know HIS presence with you.
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:12pmI’ll indulge your euphemistic reference to “war” and agree with you that it is such the case.
But you religious nutbag tyrannts are going to lose!
Western Civilization DEPENDS on keeping your misguided thoughts and demented emotions in check and away from the proverbial levers of power.
The “Sword of Jesus” is no different than the “Sword of Islam.”
I’ll post it again:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11859
Look at the reality of what you vicarious armchair religionists are “standing with.” LOOK AT IT!
This is not “courage” This is not moral.
This conflict is best mirrored with Northern Ireland and not the Book of Revelation.
I encourage all of you to go to Israel/Palestine and see with your own damn eyes what is REALLY happening.
You will change your tune.
cheers
Report Post »Mary M. Tebbe
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:25pmmrbutcher: Temper, temper. You sure HATE Christians. Hmmmmm. We are very aware of what is happening in Palestine and Israel. Israel is defending itself against the enemy. Dah!
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:44pm@mary
I said nothing “hateful.” I never would. Passionate? Yes.
kickagrandma (what a nice name) often posts and perfectly represents the christian insurrectionalist dogma in America that all too often goes unchallanged.
Well, I challange it!
If these are the grounds for how intellectual debates and conversations occur then these grounds need to be questioned and disrupted.
Israel is a lie.
Moses is a lie.
Jesus is a lie.
Mohammad is a lie.
Religion is a lie.
Politics wrapped in religion is also a lie!
That‘s the god’s honest truth, my dear.
Report Post »RavenMaven
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 10:43pm@Butcher
“Israel is a lie.
Moses is a lie.
Jesus is a lie.”
You seem so sure of yourself, Surely you must have proof of this to be so sure. Please sir, Grace us with your superb wisdom on how you can prove there is no God. The world has been waiting for this proof for thousands of years. Please sir, don’t make us wait any longer. How is it you know this to be true?
Yeah, I thought so……
Report Post »OneofMany
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 10:46pm@MrButcher…
You’ve got it wrong… The Sword of Jesus is NOTHING like the Sword of Islam… The Sword of The Spirit (of Jesus) is the Bible…WORDS…The Sword of Islam is a Literal sword used to literally chop off your head if you don’t believe.
Don’t condemn Christianity based on what you “think” it is… Study it, then tell me what you think it is or isn’t… I would suggest you read “Christian Apologetics” by Dr. Norman Giesler… no atheist has ever refuted this work…You could be the first… go and give it a read.
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 11:05pm@Raven
c’mon
how do you know what i say is not true?
We can play this game all night.
You and all religious nutbags are the one who needs to produce proof. I like to “question with boldness.”
Anyone who submits to the theocratic tyranny you foolishly represent are the ones who need to ponder the true meaning of “courage” and “honor” and “morality”.
I don’t think you posess any of these good human atributes if you can define them beyond doubt, claim them for yourself and, thus, justify killing anyone who you think doesn’t agree.
STAND WITH REASON
cheers
.
Report Post »RavenMaven
Posted on May 18, 2011 at 12:03am@Butcher- I am simply illustrating the silliness of your argument. You call anyone who believes in God a fool, accuse us of wanting to kill anyone who disagrees ( a completely outrageous and totally unsubstantiated claim), tell me that if I want to believe in God that I must prove to you that he exists ( as if your opinion matters to me), that courage, honor and morality are somehow inconsistent with faith, and that somehow faith equals tyranny. But I am the one that in your eyes is being unreasonable. You offer not one shred of proof to any of your ridiculous claims, but you chastise people of faith because they can not offer proof. Well, I can offer proof. I have seen miracles. I have seen the sick healed, the blind see. I have seen the planet we live on support 10 Million different forms of life, while no other body in the heavens even has one. You take these things for granted. You take gravity for granted even though you can not say WHY it exists. You just have faith that it will still exist in the next minute. So don’t give me your “prove it” garbage. You can’t prove your point, why should I have to prove mine to you.
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on May 18, 2011 at 12:45pm@Raven
This really is silly.
I’m more than willing to confess I have no real answer to the “why are we here?“ and ”how did we get here?” questions. I also know that you and everyone else don’t know this either. So, when you offer answers to these eternally perplexing questions that require real-world submission to spooky ethereal entities that nobody can see and then claim that these invisible athourities have given you carte blanche to spread your fevered visions to all by false love or sharpe swords, I raise more than just a skeptical eyebrow.
As to your claim to seeing miracles, prove it! No faith healer, shaman or witchdoctor has ever proved that what they do is real. Now why is that? Could it be because its a con? I personally can make a hankerchief appear to vanish into thin air. I can also make playing cards appear to levitate. If I did‘t tell you how this is done and you don’t know already, it would appear that I too was performing miracles.
Look harder.
Cheers
Report Post »crackerone
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 8:52pmAnd Glenn, the efforts of the past weekend in Israel, protest in the churches, flotillas, and the crap from the Arab leadership has not gone unnoticed. Thank-you for your insight.
Report Post »ZeitgeistBuster
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 8:50pmThe First Amendment protects not just speech, but the right to peaceably assemble.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Report Post »MidWestMom
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:27pmThis was not a case of peaceable assembly. The protestors did not want a peaceful debate. Their rude tactics & belligerent yelling were aimed at causing as much disruption as possible – and get themselves a 30 second news byte. These are not the actions of anyone desiring a reasonable discussion.
Report Post »ZeitgeistBuster
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:46pmThe church congregation has a right to assemble peaceably, with an expectation of the protection of the law AGAINST such disruptive protesters. That was my point.
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 8:46pmhttp://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11859
Here are some pictures of dead Palestinian children killed by Israel.
Take a look.
Do you really want to “stand with” those who did this?
Report Post »Liberal_Atheist_Critical_Thinker
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 8:57pmThose pics are shocking, innocent children hurt, horrible. Thanks for bringing this to our attention MrButcher.
Report Post »Mary M. Tebbe
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 8:57pmmrbutcher: Do you want to also show pictures of Israelis that have been killed by Palestinians, because the Israelis usually are reacting to what the Palestinians have already done to them. Get the facts straight please. Palestinians fire on Israel…Israel DEFENDS ITSELF. That’s more like it.
Report Post »ZeitgeistBuster
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 8:58pmI can show you dead Afghan children killed by Americans too. Did the Israelis specifically TARGET those children?
Do Palestinians send their own children to be blown up? Some do. I can also show you pictures of this sickening form of child abuse that has the religious blessing of their Imams. The Palestinians are victims of their beliefs about their fellow man, as much as they are victims of the sham their Arab brothers continue to encourage them to follow in respect to their hostility to Israel.
If the Muslims are ever going to mature, we need to treat them with the dignity of mature adults. That means that we do not hold them innocent for acts of Barbarism, just because they suffer the consequences of striking out in Anger.
Report Post »Mary M. Tebbe
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:05pmmrbutcher and critical thinker: Have you both seen the horrible pictures of muslim killing muslim!? Men, women, and children. Making no distinction between old/young, men/women/youth/children. Shocking, horrific, terrible pictures. Spreading the usual grief among their own. Go figure!
Report Post »bikerr
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:05pmI would think then that you are apposed to those that support abortion? After all, aborted children are smaller and less able to defend themselves than the ones in the pictures.I am sure you can see the similarities between that from your pictures.Oh wait maybe not.
Report Post »Liberal_Atheist_Critical_Thinker
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:09pmMary,
Is it justified to kill innocent children as a retaliation FOR ANYTHING?
Just answer this clearly and simply.
Innocent children!
Report Post »NYSTREETKID
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:11pm1966 12 children killed in Pre k school.1969 13 kids kid in raid by PLO.plo killed over 1300 children from 1969-2004.This is not counting the women,men and old that where unarrmed.The Hamas and PLO have bombed over 2000 targets,mostly civilians. Kidknapped over 100.Take you Photos and place where you had them. Cause most of the civilian deaths where caused when your coward gunman would hide behind women and children.The blood is on your hand for not being man
Report Post »Patriot Z
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:12pmyeah its bad. now the next question is what happened? how many of thoes kids were used as sheilds? how many were being programmed to attack israel? how many of thoes kids were killed by israel and how many were killed by paestine trying to attack israel? it seems to me thats one part of the pro palesine argument thats left out. palesinie programs these kids from day one to hate isreal and see its death. so im not feeling to sorry if these future hamas suicide bombers get bumped off early. when i hear an 8 yr old say he wants to be a maryr, and his father is by his side encouraging it that says more to me on whos the good guy and whos the bad guy.
Report Post »Dudley Do-Right
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:13pmBe careful what you believe to be truth! Remember Green Helmut Guy aided by the Red Crescent Society?
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2006/07/who-is-this-man.html
Report Post »Mary M. Tebbe
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:14pmcritical thinker: (though you really aren’t a critical thinker) No, you pinch yourself and wake up. I get it; apparently you haven’t gotten it yet. You spout all that liberal junk here, and never answer anyone’s questions…you just ask more silly questions on top of your already silly questions and silly and meaningless comments.
Report Post »Bikerr is correct…do you feel the same about abortion, because you seem to follow liberals in lock-step?
cheezwhiz
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:16pm@ MrButcher
Report Post »You do realize that muslims traditionally use their own women children as shields, don’t you ?
And I also hope you realize that jihadies have absolutely no problem killing children , right ?
BTW , do some research on Pallywood.
You can start here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_B1H-1opys
Liberal_Atheist_Critical_Thinker
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:18pmAGAIN!
Mary,
Is it justified to kill innocent children as a retaliation FOR ANYTHING?
Just answer this clearly and simply.
Report Post »wolverine
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:20pmHow about we show a few pictures of Jewish children murdered by Palestinians dumb a&&
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:21pm@Mary
You are making a moral relativism arguement. You should avoid that.
@bikker
Abortion is also an abomination of morality. I don’t “stand with” that either.
Report Post »ZeitgeistBuster
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:26pmCritical_Thinker you have a critical error in your premise.
Did the Israelis kidnap those kids, beat them and torture them and then kill them out of revenge?
If they did, then you have a point. What is your response to the cold blooded home invasion and murder of the Fogel family? A three year old girl was stabbed in the chest by these animals.
Or how about the Palestinians SPECIFICALLY TARGETING Israeli School Busses with rockets?
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/israel-pounds-gaza-hard-whoever-tries-to-murder-children-will-pay-with-their-life/
Or this terrorist attack?
“I saw kids crying on the street, lying in blood on the side of the road.”
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/1-dead-over-20-wounded-in-jerusalem-bus-stop-bomb-attack/
I guess you also paint all the US military as murders because a band of rogue soldiers were killing civilians.
Critical Thinker you are not!
Report Post »Patriot Z
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:28pm“How do you justify an innocent child’s life being lost IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM? It’s not a moral action, and even I as an atheist know this!”
Im athiest too. do i justify it no. but i do acknoledge the fact that palestine teaches their children to want to grow up to kill jews. they teach them to grow up to be suicide bombers. would you like to see lovely vids of kids saying they want to be martyrs and kill jews? how about using children as human sheilds? hell how about thoes same children picking up a gun and shooting at people with their ‘loving islamist parents’ cheering them on? how do you justify that? a bullet from an 8 yrl old kills just as well. these islamists put their kids in harms way as an honor to their god dont believe me? i gote cute pics of kids dressed up like hamas suicide bombers. so dont cry about ‘evil israel’. israel has a right to defend itself and israel never said they want palestine destroyed and islam wiped out. the same cannot be said for the islamist. you need to wake up kid.
Report Post »Dudley Do-Right
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:30pmInnocent children?
Do you mean the ones with bombs strapped to them?
Report Post »Bear
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:32pmThe point is you don’t know what kinda person you are dealing with and if someone is willing to disrupt a peaceful gathering then there may be some there as well that are violent! You can’t let people you know (children and family) be put in danger because some stinking Hippie wants to get in you face! Tired of college kids that think they know everything but in reality they all believe the same **** shoved into their weak minded pie holes!
Report Post »Bear
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:34pmIsrael fires back when attacked,,,sucks that way doesn’t it Hippie!
Report Post »Mary M. Tebbe
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:43pmmrbutcher: Let me understand this. You said that I am making a moral relativism argument and I should avoid that??? Let’s see…I’m using the principal of right and wrong behavior; using a view that ethical truths depend on the individuals and groups holding them, then giving a reason for proof and rebuttal with a coherent series of statements leading from a premise to a conclusion…and I should avoid that!? What else are we all doing here if we aren’t all doing that!? Just sayin’.
Report Post »Bob_R_OathKeeper
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:44pmMr.Butcher – That was very weak and wreaks of desperation, I see the side you follow is becoming smaller and smaller and understand why you would want to have more like-minded people with you but you are wrong, so clearly wrong. My guess is that you’ve never experienced war, believe me, no specific age is immune to it, how silly can you get? Should I show pictures of the Fogel family where babies where stabbed multiple times in the heart, throats slit by Palestinians? I won‘t because I know it’s futile. All I can say to you and the other lost souls here is, if you can’t tell Good from Evil at this stage of life, there isn’t much hope for you, there is time I believe, but it’s dwindling. I pray you and the other hate filled people here see the light before it’s too late.
Report Post »ZeitgeistBuster
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:45pmMRBUTCHER, How many kids has ASSAD of SYRIA killed in just the last couple of weeks of HIS OWN PEOPLE?
Report Post »blackcatrun
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:46pmI AM OLD and in all my years palistien has used violence against Israel. Palistiens factions has killed many children in Israel. Israel dont aim to kill children defending themselves but palistien does intend to kill Israels children. Do you think that for one second anyone paying attention would not know that truth?
Report Post »republitarian
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:52pm“@Mary
You are making a moral relativism arguement. You should avoid that.”
Thank you for raising the bar. Take notes LACT because at this point you aren‘t fit to lick the stamp on Butcher’s atheist newsletter.
Report Post »RavenMaven
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:59pmMr. Butcher and Liberal Critical: Both of your arguments are predicated on a false premise. The premise is that somehow the killing of Palestinians is shameful while the killing of Israelis is somehow justifiable. Your logic is very twisted. You hold up pictures of dead Palestinians as horrors or atrocities and then ask the question “Is the killing of Innocent Children a Justifiable response to anything?” The answer to your question is regrettably yes. We don’t live in an idealistic utopian world. If you attack a country and its people, you can expect a similar attack in retaliation. There are no adult-only missiles. So when Israel retaliates, people-including children- are going to die. I am quite sure that the Palestinians not only did not worry about killing children in their attacks on Israel, but in fact targeted them. But you would suggest that Israel just stand silently while Palestinians kill its citizens by the dozens, right?
Spare us your faux morality. You don’t give a crap about Palestinian children, you just hate the Israel represents God. To you, if it is about God, then it must go. You say you are a non-believer, but in fact you are a member of the most dangerous religion of them all. The one whose congregation does not even have to believe in its false god or attend its wicked church in order to be used by him. You know the spirit I am referring to, don’t you….
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 10:08pmI wrote a post that included Israeli children killed by palestinian suicide bombers but it didn;t appear.
here’s the link again: http://daledamos.blogspot.com/2006/08/123-israeli-children-killed-by.html
I want to be fair.
Now lets get down to it. Read this blog
http://australiansforpalestine.com/43908
The point I most want to make, which I haven’t mentioned yet, is the Jewish state does not and did not belong where it was placed after WW2.
Biblical aguments aside, it is not and was not in the power of the UN to decide where the Jews of Europe should go (please read up on how this came about) because there is a MASSIVE contidiction between most conservitve christians support for israel and their thoughts on internationalism and the UN.
By supporting Israel you are supporting UN power to, basically, set up states and countries.
I know you THINK you are supporting your god and all but you’re not….
you are “standing with” earthly powers that are playing you like a fiddle.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 10:25pmThe fact is children die in wars…….. do you think any children died when we carpet bombed Germany / Japan?
Report Post »vennoye
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 10:33pm@Liberal_Atheist_Critical_Thinker
Report Post »When parents start teaching haterid and death as soon as possible after birth, innocent children cease to be innocent children before the age of 5. Do I need to put a link to pictures of Islamic parents teaching their 5 year olds to cut a tied down captive’s head off so you can quit taunting Mary with the innocent children stuff!!
RavenMaven
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 10:36pm@Butcher- “MASSIVE contidiction between most conservitve christians support for israel and their thoughts on internationalism and the UN.”
No there isn’t. Most Christians recognize Israel not just as a nation state, but as a Biblical State ordained by God. The fact that it has been reduced to a plot of land smaller than Delaware is a travesty. We recognize it as it was intended, and view the Palestinians and the Muslims as Invaders. You can not choose to ignore that Israel existed for thousands of years, was invaded and overtaken by barbarians, and then simply view it as an arbitrary nation state contrived for the convenience of Europeans in 1948 at the expense of what you would call its“rightful” owners. It simply does not represent the truth or the history of Israel.
Report Post »VTPatriot44
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 10:46pmEver hear of human shields? This is what happens when it’s common practice. Sorry friend, but these poor people are more likely being used by Hamas or Hezbula than they are victims of Israeli atrosities. Is Israel perfect in this area? Doubt it, but I’m willing to bet 95%+ of the time Israel has acted justly.
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 10:51pm@raven
So you claim to know the nationalistic border intentions of your god?
you prove my point.
thanks.
please don’t “stand with” israel.
STAND WITH FREEDOM AND REASON
Report Post »RavenMaven
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 11:39pm@Butcher – “So you claim to know the nationalistic border intentions of your god? you prove my point.”
So you claim to know that His intentions were not that?
Your “you claim to know what God wants” argument is really thin and weak. You should work on some new material.
No. you obviously don’t understand what I said. I said we recognize the nation state that exists now as a valid but insufficient replacement for the much larger Land Of Israel, or promised land, that was ordained and given by God to the jewish people, which by the way included all of Jerusalem, and which they inhabited for Millenia.
Report Post »jb.kibs
Posted on May 18, 2011 at 12:55amyou stand for taxes paying for abortion?
Report Post »Liberal_Atheist_Critical_Thinker
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 8:46pmAren’t churches open to anyone, so they can have an opportunity to convert the poor souls who need help from Jesus? I don’t see a problem here, it may take a little more work than a drunk or out of work street person, but how can they turn away new flock?
Report Post »Rickfromillinois
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 8:54pmThis is not a group of people seeking solace or salvation. They are intent on disrupting a religious service. That is not freedom of speech.
Report Post »Atlas_Shagged
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 8:57pmEasy for you to say. It takes a lot of work to replace the whole Federal Government, with all the regulations they have.
Report Post »Liberal_Atheist_Critical_Thinker
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:00pmRickfromillinois,
Well, perhaps they are lost souls, as you would say. Who is to judge how the LORD works? Why turn away what the LORD bringeth to the church? Are you to judge His mysterious ways Rickfromillinois?
Report Post »Bear
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:04pmI am an Atheist but even I know the Bible says things should take place ‘ decently and by arrangement ’ that you were to gather together in ‘ things uplifting and not for squabble ’ They don’t have a right to disrupt anything,,,if they have something to say they can do it else where,,,on their own time and their own dime,,last time I looked they weren‘t paying that church’s light bills ,air conditioning,rent,ect,,If they don’t help pay for the private property they can stay the Hell away,,,Do let people come into your house uninvited to cause trouble with your family,,,Their were children and ladies present and you have to take their safety seriously and remove the screaming,Hippie Morons!
Report Post »338lapua
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:13pm@lact
Report Post »True Christians do not “convert”.
Being such a shining light of brilliance, I would think you would know that.
Fellowship is for the living, not the dead.
You have made your choice, the consequences are all yours.
wolverine
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:18pmThey can turn away or accept anyone they damn well please
Report Post »jb.kibs
Posted on May 18, 2011 at 12:52amyou think they want to join the church? you can stretch, but as someone already has said, keep lying and stretching truth to make yourselves god. it’s cool, you have fun with that, see how far it gets you in life. ;)
education is just another word for brainwash. do you find yourself to be eductated? i for one know nothing.
Report Post »crapgame
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 8:46pmWe see how the left is willing to infiltrate a house of god to further thier agenda. This is not surprising in the least, considering who they were. The left is very predictable using the sual alinsky, van jones template to attack thier enemies. Pastor Hagee, and his congregation should not have to suffer such treatment, but is enlightening as to what the future holds for America.
Report Post »There can be no doubt that the left knows no limit to what they wiil do, to advance thier agenda at any cost to decent God fearing Americans.
Liberal_Atheist_Critical_Thinker
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 8:51pmCrapgame,
“The left is very predictable using the sual alinsky, van jones template to attack thier enemies. ”
We’re coming for you, you better cling to your Bibles and guns. But guess what? I am an American citizen and I can protest silly religions and nonsense as I will. Get used to it.
Report Post »338lapua
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:09pm@lact and we expect you.
Report Post »Tribulation goes with being a follower of Christ.
So bring it on!
Patriot Z
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:20pmliberal you can protest all you want you just look like a moron when you do. you wanna yell your lil slogans and live by 60′s song lyrics and bumperstickers…brother..go for it. but quit telling me i gotta pay for it. you pretend to be smart, but your just as bad. you make fun of thes who are waiting for god to bail them out, yet you are waiting for the all powerful govt to do it thoes bibles and guns have gotten people further on the food chain then your marxist system of opression could ever dream. you cry about christians not likeing gays, but ignore muslims KILLING people for being gay. you want womens rights yet ignore Muslim opression of women. please dude change your name. you dont do any thinking at all. like all libs all you can do is demand things without earning them and pretend your smart
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 10:34pmAnd so very brave at your keyboard, LACTose.
Report Post »Donna
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 8:44pmAs in a post in response to the open letter from Pastor Hagee, I urge you to take a stand:
Many have heard or seen the disruptive tactics used this past weekend during Pastor John Hagee’s service. We all remember seeing disruptions during town hall meetings, sessions of legislatures and other civic gatherings. I humbly suggest that you decide on an action prior to finding yourself in these situations
Standing firm is easier when you have a specific action to take. My suggestion is that you turn toward the disruptor, reciting one of the following until the interruption comes to an end.
In a church: the Lord’s Prayer
In synagogue: the Shema
At a civic/secular gathering: the Pledge of Allegiance
I strongly urge these responses ONLY when there is a disruption; if a person has followed proper procedure to speak, do not interrupt their time – this would only be adopting their disruptive tactics.
Blessings!
Report Post »~ Donna
jedi.kep
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 8:28pmThese “protestors” are not practicing free speech. They are practicing freeloading. Hagee and his church pay the bills on their building. Their people give money for their church. These protesters paid nothing. They stood up during another person’s meeting and stole time from them, so THEY can shout thier foolish ramblings. They are theives and freeloaders. Typical Democrats.
Report Post »Atlas_Shagged
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 8:55pmThink about what you are saying. Do you think these churches should pay Taxes, so they can be protected by Government? You might regret your choice!
Report Post »RavenMaven
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:30pm@Atlas- Don’t you mean protected FROM government? A church has nothing to fear from people. Notice in the establishment clause it specifically places restraints on government interfering with religion, but makes no limitation on religion influencing government. The true faith of a man can not be swayed by hecklers, protestors, vandalism, violence, or government regulations.
Report Post »OneofMany
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 10:38pm@AtlasShagged:
The government already makes it a hate crime for us to proclaim our biblical faith in our own church… we cannot say homosexuality is wrong, even if God says so. But Islam followers sure can! They can say kill all Jews and all anyone says is “oh those Muslims are so crazy”….
Report Post »twinelm
Posted on May 18, 2011 at 12:20pmTypical communist agitators, actually. Cornerstone is my church, though I wasn’t there on Sunday and believe me, the congregation is praying for these nincompoops to come to the Lord in spite of their poor choice of behavior.
All of these Leftist trolls on this discussion would probably demand the death penalty for anyone to go into a mosque and do the same thing… As the our Savior says in Matthew 7:16 “Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?”
Yes, they stick out like “sore thumbs” both here and anywhere else they rear their poisonous heads.
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on May 18, 2011 at 2:15pmLiberal_Atheist_Critical_Thinker
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:00pm
Well, perhaps they are lost souls, as you would say. Who is to judge how the LORD works? Why turn away what the LORD bringeth to the church? Are you to judge His mysterious ways
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Now that’s hillarious! A ,”liberal atheist critical ‘thinker’ “, speaking ,‘King James’, old english!
Report Post »Are we suppoed to to believe you are quoting the Bible?
An atheist rabbi?…….What a fool!!
ROTFL!!!!!…………………………………..
American Saint
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 8:23pmFree speech happens on the street. Not in a church.
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 8:33pmI couldn’t say it better.
How can anyone accept institutions that are so tyrannical and evil?
Report Post »IAMNOTKNOWING
Posted on May 18, 2011 at 12:11amThey‘ve got balls messin’ with Texans coming to worship.
Careful, Ya’ll. Some day you might just mess with the bull and get the horns.
Remember that little fat kid, Casey.
Got, Body Slam? ;D
Report Post »saranda
Posted on May 18, 2011 at 10:40amI was not aware that free speech had physical boundaries. Did I miss the implementation of free speech zones?
Report Post »I think an equally important question here is why is a tax exempt church raising money for and speaking about political issues.
krjones
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 8:22pmThe have the right of free speech in public… Not in my church
Report Post »cheezwhiz
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 8:26pmAnti-semitism is anti-semitism is anti-semitism
Report Post »And every marxist and islamomarxist is anti-semite
Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 8:29pmThis church is on private property. They can hold the protests off the property where it is allowable in the laws of the land and the area. Here though, there are established procedures in the church for the handling of anyone making a disturbance, and they were followed.
So yes, this is not a case of free speech. It is a case of speech being used to forment chaos and disruption of a service.
Report Post »Now this is Art
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 8:34pmthey are trespassing plain and simple…arrest them.
Report Post »crackerone
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 8:39pmTry it in a mosque, and Holder and this admin will be on you like white on rice!
Report Post »Atlas_Shagged
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 8:53pmBeck is really making it hard for me to listen to him.
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 8:55pmcheezwhiz is it anti-Semitic to question central bankers about stealing
Report Post »us blind ?
Do you wonder why the bankers are mostly Jewish ?
I do.
cheezwhiz
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:09pmtower7femacamp
Report Post »Posted on May 17, 2011 at 8:55pm
cheezwhiz is it anti-Semitic to question central bankers about stealing
us blind ?
Do you wonder why the bankers are mostly Jewish ?
I do.
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Is it racist to question Obama’s motives and his policies about destroying our country and its economic power ?
Do you wonder why most islamomarxists around Obama are blacks ?
I do
banjarmon
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:14pmIf you were in My house and started shouting at my family, I have the right to toss you out on your ear and kick you as you go. This IS NOT your Right to free speech, but about you disrupting the peace in my home!!!
Report Post »stifroc
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:17pm@ Now-This-Is-Art
Before a person can be areseted for trespassing, they must first be given an official “trespass citation”. So these 11 people were given an official trespass citation, so NOW then NEXT time they ever set foot on this property again they can be arrested. That’s how it works. Sooooo lets hope they come back.
Report Post »Bob_R_OathKeeper
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:17pmFollowers of Satan, and there are some here as you can see, attack Christians because they are what I like to call a, “soft target” and they have been emboldened by Barack Hussein Obama and his followers, they know they can attack without fear of retribution, they are cowards. They would not dare attack a mosque in this fashion even though they are full of evil people. I’m telling you this will not last much longer before we get tired of turning the other cheek. I pray we never have to go on the offensive but if we do, it will be the last time.
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:21pm@CHEEZWHIZ Is it racist to question Obama’s motives and his policies about destroying our country and its economic power ?
I say NO it’s not.
Report Post »Atlas_Shagged
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:23pmMr. CheezWhiz
Report Post »Excuse me but you seem to be a Hater.
If I could inquire, where do you get your wealth from?
(this could explain why you hate us so much)
cheezwhiz
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:24pmThank God these Sore -@$$ – dwellers were unarmed…this time…
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:26pm@Bob_R_OathKeeper you really need to look into the Bohemian Grove
Report Post »and ask yourself, is it Christian to mock sacrifice a baby ?
And why are our leaders going to ceremonies like this ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtSVBTne-KY
Keep on Trolling in the free world….
cheezwhiz
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:27pmAtlas_Shagged
Report Post »If I could inquire, where do you get your wealth from?
(this could explain why you hate us so much)
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Who is “ us” ?
revel222
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:29pmThis was a planned strategic attack on his church. Glenn has brought light to the good this man does and they planned this with nothing but evil intent. You betcha they watch the Glenn Beck show and listen to his radio and watch these posts. Don’t doubt it! It is evil rising!!!
Report Post »John 3:16
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 9:29pm@ Bear…Thank you for being reasonable. @ Kickagrandma…Thanks for the prayer we need prayer warriors.Tto the 2 or 3 trolls. You my friends, argue like socialists, liberals no wonder you lose all your debates. Not that you are stupid but you make bad choices, ones that are stupid the kind you have to lie, or cheat to defend. I’m surprised you want to be your own god so bad that you will stoop to lying to yourself and think others will buy your lies.When most of what you say cannot be proven when a person uses common sense and history. Do you trolls hate yourselves that much?
Report Post »roansmom
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 10:27pmA church is private property. They do not have the right to disturb the service with their hate speech. Keep it on the street it does not belong in a house of worship. Glenn is right, it is bullying and not “free speech”. I believe that John Hagee deserves reverence in his house of worship. If you are not there to worship God, then you don’t belong there…period. And I agree with Glenn that we have to stand up with Israel. Our country cannot be among those who turn their backs on God’s Chosen People.
Report Post »AKMIIKEUS
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 11:08pmSince the Right and their ministers want to start discussing Israel policy and politics, I say we start revoking their Church exempt status.
First thing I’m doing tomorrow is making some calls to the mayor of San Antonio, local congressmen, Esperanza and the IRS and report this pastor and his church.
Thank you Beck and Blaze for bringing this to our attention. Church‘s and their pastor’s need to know where to draw the line.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on May 17, 2011 at 11:27pmGet out of my house and off my lawn … two years olds have no respect.
I support ISRAEL!
TEA!
Report Post »Live4tomorrow
Posted on May 18, 2011 at 12:41amI perceive their actions to be a violation of the members’ of the congregation Civil Rights, and can be interpreted as “Hate Speech”.
Report Post »Anamah
Posted on May 18, 2011 at 2:26amThis is not about free speech, is about bulling others is about to impeach others to enjoy a conference or spectacle, is pure and simple intolerance. They are fascists. They need to be stop.
Report Post »VerySeniorCitizen
Posted on May 18, 2011 at 8:50amWhen Beck belittles individuals for their beliefs, words, actions, etc. – it is called ‘free speech’. But let no one else argue their point of view – whether it is in the public square on within a ‘public’ church.
However, I don’t believe that he is arguing as much against the venue of the protest as he is arguing against the protest itself.
Mr. Beck is bent on brainwashing his audience in EXACTLY the same way as did many leaders who have found their way to the ‘wrong side of history’.
Jim Jones comes to mind. Remember him?
Mind and thought manipulation really isn’t that hard to comprehend unless, of course, one has already come under the influence of it and has become the follower and believer of their ‘leader’!
Report Post »proudpatriot77
Posted on May 18, 2011 at 9:05amFree speech is different than mayhem. Why dont the lefties ever want to debate something honestly? Maybe its because their ideas are worthless and Americans wouldnt accept them?
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on May 18, 2011 at 9:26amThe anti-Semitism of the 21st century is anti Muslim/Arab and Beck is at the helm of propagating it.Good that finally americans are starting to see the palestinian perspective and protesting on their behalf.It’s not easy to get their side of things with the american media anti -Arab genocidal propaganda machine working at fult tilt for the past 60plus years.That these pro palestinian protests can be taking place in florida is a good thing for truth and justice.One day you’ll see that the 67 borders are the just borders for israel and Jerusalem should be the capital of Palestine[Only since the israeli state was created and a state of war existed between arabs and israelis was there animosity toward Jews on behalf of Muslim Arabs]That Fox is ratching up the anti Arab genocidal propaganda machine is not surprising now that the true plight of victimized palestinians is getting out .There are holes in the Zionist dragnet over the media.Hence the increase in expressions of virulent racism on the part of Beck [a good dupe] against Arabs.Long live Palestine and a 67border israel.
Report Post »Pastor Ray
Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:22pmAmen!!! They can crawl into whatever Hell hole they want to and yell and screem but NOT in Our Church!
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:46pmI posted Pastor Hagee’s open letter to Beck on another forum. I am posting this reply to the letter made by a terribly hateful and confused person that trolls on that site. Just to give you an example of what we are dealing with today as Christians and Jews. This poor person is truely crazy and needs our prayers. And we need God’s protection from people like this!
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Kudos to those brave Palestinian women that went into the bowels of the Beast and confronted anti-Christ Hagee directly…very brave. Hagee is among the worst of the zionist Bible scramblers….people are figuring this out. ‘Supremacism’ was made ‘null and void’ by Christ and our Founders. Hagee has even claimed that Christ teachings are no longer important to teach jews…he is an imposter and charlton, reprobate; and part of the great war for your mind. 1st born Ishmael was equally blessed, and Christ referring to the decendents of Abraham, which includes alot of people. The term ‘jew’ is a recent invention, anyway, referring to an inhabitant of judea… People are figuring this stuff out.
..TM7
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