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Beck Delivers Powerful, Emotional Response to Romney’s Broken Barrier: ‘In America…You Can Do Anything’

Glenn Beck Delivers Emotional Response to Romneys Broken BarrierGlenn Beck delivered a fascinating and emotional appeal on his radio show Friday morning. With a focus upon Americans’ unique ability to break barriers, he began by discussing the nation’s positive progression over the past few decades when it comes to race relations and equality. Then, he discussed another potential historical moment that may come this November — the election of the nation’s first Mormon president.

After discussing the country’s complicated racial history, Beck brought up Condoleezza Rice and her experience living in the segregated south as a child. While she faced barriers, she was placed in positions of great power as an adult, perfectly encapsulating broken barriers. On election day in 2008, too, Beck said that another historical moment made its way into the history books — the election of President Barack Obama, the nation’s first African American president.

“Look at how far we’ve come. Everybody just cheers, but take a moment and recognize something else,” Beck proclaimed. “Four years ago…millions of fathers sat with their son on their lap on election night…and they said, ‘Son, he‘s black just like we are and he’s the president of the United States. You can be president of the United States.’”

Beck said that, even if people had already believed that this was possible, it hadn’t yet been done. Obama’s election solidified it, making it a historical reality. The radio host praised the moment as evidence that America blows “through barriers.”

Glenn Beck Delivers Emotional Response to Romneys Broken Barrier

“We are getting better every, single day,” he proclaimed, becoming silent as his emotions overtook him.

Then, Beck went on to describe a similar encounter he had with his son — one that he hadn’t anticipated was coming. During Romney’s speech, Beck found himself telling him about the importance of Romney’s broken barrier (he’s the first Mormon general election candidate in American history). Here‘s a portion of Beck’s emotional description of the special moment:

“[My son] said, ‘Is that Mitt Romney, dad?’ And he said, ‘Yup.’” He didn’t say anything for a while. I didn’t realize what I was about to feel. I put my hand on his back and I just said to him, ‘This is important, son.’ He said, ‘Why?’ And without even thinking, I said, ‘He’s Mormon, just like us. And in America, even if you’re Mormon, you can do anything.’”

Then, Beck went on to tell the audience his feelings about the current political climate and the fact that Romney may, indeed, make history once more:

“I’m not a victim. Neither are Mormons. We’re just not victims. I’ve never been in a position to where I ever thought there were limitations — I still don’t think there were limitations. But, history is being made again. [...]

We’re not healed, gang…we’re human. But the great thing is, we’re Americans on top of it. And Americans break barriers better than anyone else — ever. And we’re about to break another one. Wait until you have that experience with your son. I don’t know what barrier is left for you in your life, but wait until you have that moment. America is about to do it again.”

Watch Beck’s emotional monologue, below:

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  • Brother Winston Smith
    Posted on August 31, 2012 at 8:54pm

    Actually, FAKE-conservative/libertarian Beck is describing OLD America. The NEW America is COMPLETELY Central Government Planned by the LEFTIST democrat party and the LEFTIST (Beck-supported) republican party – IN COMPLETE VIOLATION OF THE CONSTITUTION.

    This REALITY has taken shape WITH THE AID AND FULL SUPPORT of Glenn Beck.

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    • DarkJello
      Posted on September 1, 2012 at 2:57am

      The lack of vision by so many within this thread is staggering!

      “I don’t know what barrier is left for you in your life, but wait until you have that moment. America is about to do it again.”

      If it is all a big fraud by almost everyone in both parties, then why post at all? Why bother?
      Enjoy hedonism. Move to Australia. Spend cash, declare bankruptcy. Drink soda.
      If we are all scre-wed anyway, stop wasting time here and live your lives!
      Let us “willfully blind” types enjoy our optimism please and gracias.

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    • drkmagneto
      Posted on September 1, 2012 at 8:44am

      You’re such a sad pessimistic little man. Very disheartening. I’ll pray for you.

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    • loran
      Posted on September 1, 2012 at 12:48pm

      Will you apologize when you are proven wrong?

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    • black9897
      Posted on September 1, 2012 at 1:55pm

      So you want to wipe out those who support more freedom, the constitution, getting rid of the Criminal organization known as the IRS, and holding others accountable?

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    • Lucy Larue
      Posted on September 1, 2012 at 4:51pm

      @BROTHER WINSTON
      You do not get it BRO. You do not.
      Many on this thread do not get it either!

      This IS an awakening. Divine Providence is saving our sad derrieres once again!
      And once again it’s up to us to do the rest.

      I love Glenn Beck! He is one of our “RE” Founders!
      When my eyes were open to the absolute EVIL that was assaulting the greatest nation the world has ever known from so many different fronts…,it was Glenn Beck and his brilliant entourage that let me know I was not alone. MERCI .

      VOX POPULI VOX DEI!

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    • LaBelle
      Posted on September 2, 2012 at 4:36pm

      Oh blah blah blah..Get your head out of the sand Troll.

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    • ERP
      Posted on September 3, 2012 at 11:49am

      Folks, just look at the avatar of @Bro Winny Smith. It’s a picture of Ron Paul.

      Need I say more, really?

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  • y_lentz
    Posted on August 31, 2012 at 8:38pm

    Now we arrive at this problem: Is LDS (mormonism) just another brand of Christianity, or something different? Should what church believes or even if a president attends a church matter? (remember Barak Obama and Rev. Wright mattered). The LDS believe that Jesus is not the same eternal God as God the Father or the Holy Spirit. The LDS believe that God the Father was once an exalted man. Joseph Smith died with a pistol in his hand. Of course don’t believe what I say without researching it for yourself and looking at the quotes of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. And remember when Glenn Beck said this : “Constitution hanging by a thread.” Well look up the White Horse Prophecy. I do not hate LDS or anyone else, I just am asking the question on whether what one believes should matter for the office of the presidency. And if one states that I am a hateful person, hear this: Glenn Beck once stated that St. Constantine was in hell. Well us Eastern Catholics and the Orthodox Church believe he is a saint. Thank you.

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 10:22pm

      @Y_LENTZ

      I do not call you a ‘hateful person’.

      If Glenn said Saint Augustine is burning in hell, or whatever, he is wrong. It may be possible he said that for dramatic effect, I wouldn’t know.

      You hit the nail on the head with the basic argument on whether we are Christians, or not. We believe ‘yes’, others say ‘no’. It may never be resolved until the Second Coming.

      As far as our difference in doctrine , it is true that some seem off the beaten track compared to mainstream Christianity. I recognize that. Some odd sounding doctrine is often understood only as preparatory doctrine is understood .

      We can disagree without being insulting. I don’t criticize you for believing what you believe.

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    • ChristianLayman
      Posted on September 1, 2012 at 12:34am

      There’s AN EASTERN RITE Catholic that posts here? What rite are you? I’m canonically Roman, but I go to a Melkite Greek Catholic Church. As far as Constantine the Great, I thought he was only recognized as a saint by the Eastern Orthodox.

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    • boyd9
      Posted on September 1, 2012 at 12:53pm

      You are probably hopeless and as a result will remain clueless and bigoted indefinitely, but at least I will give this a try. Christ himself stated that HE was God’s Son, NOT God. How can someone be his own Father. He prayed to His FATHER frequently. Why would someone pray to himself? What could possibly be the purpose. Christ taught that when a man and a woman are married they should become ONE, do you know anyone who has been married that has morphed into a single being? Aren’t they still two separate beings who then should enjoy the same goals and objectives? During the intercessory prayer Christ asked His FATHER to help all of us who believe on His words become ONE in the same way that He and His FATHER are ONE. Do you believe that we will all be absorbed into God following our life on this earth and will cease to exist individually? If so then what in the world is the purpose of RESURRECTION. The difference between Mormons and other religions is that we actually believe the resurrection is a reality and that Christ was indeed resurrected and is now a real physical resurrected Being and as a result is separate and distinct from His Father, if that is not the case then resurrection is a false principle and it is NOT. If you want to understand a regular ordinary Mormon’s perspective on God then go to http://www.whatsthepointreligion.com.

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    • Von
      Posted on September 1, 2012 at 1:02pm

      It was not Obama’s “religion” that caused the concern to many like me. It was the foul mouth Rev Wright and his cussing America. Obama sat there for 20 years never questioning it. Mormons may differ in beliefs from many but worship God and definitely love America not damn it. Big difference! America is founded and based on Freedom of Religion. So you are way off base. No religion that teaches hate for America or its people should be accepted in our leaders! That isn’t religion that is pure secular hatred.

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    • Eblaze44
      Posted on September 1, 2012 at 6:03pm

      God is God, Jesus is his Son and the heir to the earth as Lord of Lords and King of Kings, the Holy Spirit is that power that God operates through. Jesus is NOT God, and those that place him as God break the first commandment – Thou shall have NO other gods before Me. Jesus said we do not for him, but for Him that sent me. That same Jesus, crucified for showing the way to salvation, rose from the dead, and now stands at the Right Hand of God the Father. Believing that Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of God is the first step of salvation – but God will judge you on your deeds – rather than on your believe. Faith without works is DEAD. Salvation comes by Grace – the Grace of God in sending his Son to show you the way, to die in your place for your sins – and you must accept that. But Jesus is not, and never claimed to be God; in my Fathers house – not “in my house”, but his fathers house, are many mansions. Jesus parable of the talents: (Matthew 25:14-30; Luke 19:12-28) demonstrates very well the judgement day before God.

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    • mavin10
      Posted on September 1, 2012 at 9:29pm

      Your statement; “The LDS believe that Jesus is not the same eternal God as God the Father or the Holy Spirit.” is not true.
      Mormons are monotheistic and Mormon Scriptures have much stronger statements to this fact than any in the Bible, such as “Which Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are one God, infinite and eternal, without end. Amen.” (D&C 20:28) http://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/20.28?lang=eng#27 And from the Book of Mormon, “… and shall be brought and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil. (Alma 11:44) http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/alma/11.44?lang=eng#43
      If you believe that Jesus is the same God as the Father. Do you not believe that Jesus was once a man and is an exalted man as stated in the Bible? LDS do not believe your statement; “The LDS believe that God the Father was once an exalted man.” LDS do believe that Christ is an exalted man.

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    • lillith70
      Posted on September 2, 2012 at 1:40am

      Politically speaking, the WASP hold on American politics is lessening. Better start making political alliances with those of same values or be overrun but loyal to your religious dogma. Only the Lord will decide who is Christian and everyone who cries Lord, Lord will not necessarily on His good list.

      In demonizing each other, we diminish Him. The Mormon’s view of God the Father is just as Jesus instructed literally in the Bible. The speculations of the early Mormons of the mid 1800′s are not necessarily the views expressed by current church leaders.

      God will answer us according to the desires of our hearts not the way we genuflect in or direction we fce in prayer IMO. We can all render to Ceasar in unity of values and still keep our own dogma and Sunday expression of our faith. God can sort us out without us worrying about who to include or exclude from His club–last I heard, it was open to all–his club being grace?

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    • mzk1
      Posted on September 2, 2012 at 7:03am

      So, suppose he is not a Christian. Would you support a Jewish Tea Partier? What abotu all of the people who think that Catholics are not Christians?

      By the way, I can list at least three declared saints who were anti-semitic pogrom artists – Vincent Ferrer, John of Capistrano, and John the Golden-mouthed – and that’s just from general knowledgen, with no additional research. I’m sure there were plenty more.

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    • RiseLiberty
      Posted on September 2, 2012 at 11:47am

      I’ll put it to you this way. We are not electing his religion. We are electing Mitt Romney because he has the skill set to solve the problems we need solved. I believe he loves America and what it stands for and that’s good enough for me. And finally… Please don’t compare the church of LDS with the church of Jeremiah Wright. No Mormon ever said G*d d**n America. They don’t preach hate instead of love. Mormons are not Al Sharpton okay? Let’s just put religion aside and fix this country. We have the answer, it’s called the voting booth. We have the man, Mitt Romney. What we don’t have is the luxury of blowing this and then hoping to make up for it in 2016.

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    • free_indeed
      Posted on September 2, 2012 at 3:12pm

      You will know them by their fruit. I believe Glenn has proven through his actions that he is a man after God’s heart. So has Romney.

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    • y_lentz
      Posted on September 2, 2012 at 6:08pm

      In reply to some of the comments to my post: Glenn stated that Constantine was in hell, and he wasn’t joking. St. Constantine is a Saint in the Byzantine (Ruthenian) Catholic Church which is in full communion with Pope Benedict XVI. To the poster who called me “hopeless”, that’s real nice. Good way to start a discussion. I disagree with certain beliefs and ask questions and I am “hopeless and bigoted”. Isn’t that the same complaints you have against those who call you “racist”? Sounds like a Saul Alinsky tactic. Speaking of which, look up the Wall Street Journal or Renew America‘s articles about Mitt Romney’s father meeting Saul Alinsky. I don’t know if this is the best place to start a conversation on the different beliefs that Christians and Mormons have regarding the Trinity, but Christ also said that “He and the Father are one”. The better place to read a defense of the Trinity would be to research the writings of the Church Fathers between years 70-200. Thank you.

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  • The Third Archon
    Posted on August 31, 2012 at 6:36pm

    “BECK DELIVERS POWERFUL, EMOTIONAL RESPONSE TO ROMNEY’S BROKEN BARRIER: ‘IN AMERICA…YOU CAN DO ANYTHING’”
    Yes, anything–except smoke reefer, marry the person of your choice, or vote for a party that ACTUALLY reflects your political beliefs. Yes, OTHER than all those things (among others), you can do ANYTHING in America.

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    • DRAGONSEED
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 7:20pm

      Grow UP… Oh, forgot: It is your arrested development that causes Lefties like you in the first place, so if you ever GREW UP, you would not/could not whine about such pseudo-victimization!

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    • The Third Archon
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 7:38pm

      I’d have responded to your substantive points, but I couldn’t find any.

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    • girlnurse
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 8:09pm

      THE THIRD ARCHON: We disagree on most things (Christianity mainly) but I have to agree with you here:). I mean comeon! It is the epitomy of naive’ to say something like that!

      We cannot get on here all day long harping about the police state, the fake wars, rules, regulations bailouts, chroney corporations, DHS, TSA, Feds, Rebuilding mosques overseas, $750,000 to guantanamo Bay for soccer, Thousands of new IRS agents, drones, BILLION dollar Presidential Campaigns, Open borders,,etc.etc.etc…and then have the nerve to say;
      “In America you can do anything”!!! EXCEPT get job maybe!!!! OR BE FREE!
      This is called “normalcy bias”. And lets get something straight…my eyes are WIDE open. This election, and this country is anything BUT healthy, normal America! This country is sick sick sick!

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    • Chi-Fawn
      Posted on September 1, 2012 at 11:52am

      Third, you can do all that if you want to. Some states recognise same-sex mariage(if you move to other states you can pretend not to be but still be housemates without doing PDA), you can smoke reefer in private and there are tons of political partys around. Just look it up on Wikipedia. And if you don‘t see a political party that fits there’s always a chance to start one.

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    • boyd9
      Posted on September 1, 2012 at 1:39pm

      Harry Reed is a Mormon. Personally I am not sure how that is possible since Mormons are taught that our founding fathers were inspired by God and as a result we should respect the original constitution, but he is one. I am not sure who he married, but I definitely married the person of MY choice.

      President Obama has us standing on the edge of a financial cliff due to a $16 trillion deficit and his campaign slogan is FORWARD!!!. That tells me all I need to know about Barrack Obama I will vote for Romney because he wants to take us BACKWARD to balanced budgets, reduced debt and 5% unemployment, not because he is a Mormon.

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    • Eblaze44
      Posted on September 1, 2012 at 6:17pm

      You can vote for the person in the party of your choice – what – there is no party with a man of your choice – suppose you start one?

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    • Lucy Larue
      Posted on September 1, 2012 at 6:37pm

      THIRD ARCHON,
      Tres hilarious you are!
      Using big words and faux intellectualism is you schtick!
      True intelligence is WISDOM.
      You are “WISDOM CHALLENGED”. :) Again…,Tres HILARIOUS are your posts.

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    • DeniseR55
      Posted on September 1, 2012 at 7:53pm

      You can do all of those things in this country. One is just a misdemeanor in some states, you can lov e anyone that you care too and are free to vote for whoever you want. IF you want to start your own political party you are free too, I don’t see your point, what is it?

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    • mzk1
      Posted on September 2, 2012 at 7:06am

      What do you think George Washington, or any of the founders, would think of your list? Are you aware of anyone back then objecting to the sodomy laws or the obscenity laws?

      Maybe you should move to Europe.

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  • All Pro
    Posted on August 31, 2012 at 6:28pm

    And now you know why Beck and the Blaze went out of there way to make sure that Ron Paul would not be nominated. He isn’t a Mormon, he’s a christian. We can’t have that, it isn’t fair. Everybody else has had a turn.
    Mr Beck, you are a thoroughly despicable person. You have sacrificed America for your cult.

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    • The Third Archon
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 6:37pm

      It’s not like Romney is going to win…

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    • riseandshine
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 6:57pm

      I think you’re wrong there, All Pro. Beck was against Paul because Beck is a shill…and not for the LDS Church.

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    • Euna
      Posted on September 1, 2012 at 2:54pm

      Meg-
      Hey, non of you anti-Mormons deserve the time it takes to reply, so I will only make it short. You are all spouting off lies, and what you write shows you know nothing about what the truth is, of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. You got your information from untruths, or you take what you might know and screw it around in to falsehood.

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    • Lucy Larue
      Posted on September 1, 2012 at 5:27pm

      ALL PRO,
      UnFREAKINGbelievable you are. You are a coward as well.

      November of 2012 will send you back to the ratholes and sewers that Progressives like you inhabit!
      We are taking this country back from all the damage that your ilk has done over the last 50 years.
      WE ARE AWAKE!
      Glenn Beck is part of the reason for the “AWAKENING”.

      Read this All Pro. Read this!
      “How do you tell a Communist? Well…,it’s someone who reads Marx and Lenin. How do you tell an anti-communist? Well…It’s someone who UNDERSTANDS Marx and Lenin.” Ronald Reagan
      Read this too.
      “Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. It’s inherent virtue is the sharing of misery”. Winston Churchill

      They were exceptionally brave men All Pro. They were.
      You do not understand BRAVE All Pro. You do not. UGH!

      Vox Populi Vox Dei!

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    • mzk1
      Posted on September 2, 2012 at 7:08am

      Paul is also not a Constitutionalist or a Conservative. What he is, is a hack politician who hides his views, and has no moral center.

      Paul = Obama.

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  • Silvertruth
    Posted on August 31, 2012 at 6:16pm

    Wow… just wow. The comments here are showing just the opposite of what Mr. Beck is saying. He’s not advocating his faith, he’s telling you how incredibly diverse the American public is. He is not denigrating Barak Obama at all, and he’s not putting anyone down, he’s trying to lift us all up and show us how great we are, that we aren’t all racist, bigots and intolerant idiots. We elected an African American President. We now have a Mormon and a Catholic on the same ticket. Mr. Beck is saying this is all FANTASTIC, and I agree with him. It shows we are finally starting to see each other as people and that skin color or belief system doesn’t really matter, only the issues we commonly face.

    Then I read all the ignorant comments, made by people who cannot rise above the hate, who are still chained down in the dark depths of ignorance and self importance. Finding fault with the sheer goodness of what Mr. Beck was saying just because nothing good can come from Mr. Beck, no matter what because he, his faith, or his belief’s are always evil. I feel sorry for you if you cannot see good, and must mock it when it is so clearly evident. I feel that the evil lies not with Mr. Beck, but in the chains that you have allowed to hold your soul down in the darkness for so long. Please, get help, from a therapist, a spiritualist, or from anyone who is not also chained down. Get help before it is too late for you because all that awaits you is a darkness you wil never escap

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    • buttpatriot
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 6:50pm

      glenn beck panders to the racists that would hate president obama no matter what he did. the people on theblaze question president obama’s faith every day. very common opinion that he is a muslim.
      so beck has been a mormon for a few years and he now feels the pain of the opressed…

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    • pudssweetie
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 8:13pm

      Buttpatriot said “glenn beck panders to the racists that would hate president obama no matter what he did.
      Butt, Glenn Beck has used Obama’s own words to prove to people who Obama really is. I do not think that is pandering or is being racist. I do not like Obama and it is not because he is black, but is based upon the policy’s he has passed, all the executive orders he signed, the slow economy and the still high unemployment. There is a big difference between not like someone and being racists because you don’t like the color of their skin.
      BTW, I support Herman Cain until he dropped out and if and when Col. Allen West decides to run for Presidency, you bet you butt I will be supporting him. Guess your racist statement now looks kinda dumb doesn’t it.

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    • girlnurse
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 8:29pm

      If you have MILLIONS of dollars and alot of support from the globalists you too can be President! It has absoluetly NOTHING to do with race, gender, or religion! If this country keeps going the way it has been, Im sure theyll parade out a transvestite next time and brag about that.

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    • Sewn Together
      Posted on September 1, 2012 at 11:20am

      Thank you Silvertruth. I was beginning to think that there wasn’t a single person on here that understood what the article was really about. That regardless of your race, religion, etc. that you can be seen by the content of you character and be successful in what you do. It’s sad the amount of hate that is being shown now, instead. Why is it the others can‘t simply be happy that the USA is showing signs of overcoming it’s past and moving forward into new light? We have the first black president. We have a ticket that contains a Mormon and a Catholic. It proves that we are now looking at the person and not their background. That is something to be excited about. And if you have had to endure some of the smears and the lies that others make about your life, you too would get emotional to know that someone else who has endured them is making a difference in the world. How many people cried happy tears when President Obama won the nomination and then the Presidency? They weren’t mocked because of their joy. Why shouldn’t others, who do still face name calling, etc. from those that believe the lies on the web, etc. be allowed feel joy over Romney’s nomination without enduring hateful comments? Instead they continue to spew forth the hatred and only make themselves look bad in the process.

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    • Lucy Larue
      Posted on September 1, 2012 at 4:57pm

      @BUTTPATRIOT,

      OMG! One part of your posting name is oh so APT!
      Butt aka Ass is dead on!
      Patriot..,eh…,not so much.

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    • AmericanPatriot
      Posted on September 2, 2012 at 5:32pm

      Exellent post!!!!!!!!!

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  • saranda
    Posted on August 31, 2012 at 6:07pm

    Beck has been attempting mainstream the LDS church for years. But if the LDS church stands or falls on the Book of Mormon it should have fallen decades ago. No DNA, a fake book of Abraham, smith well know command activities, the everchanging “truth” from the prophets, no archeology to support the Bofm and on and on. Mormons are good people believing in a mountain of deception. Being born into itand not seeing the truth is one thing,but to study it as gb says he did and still join is the worst possible judgement.

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    • maggie-140
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 6:17pm

      I love Glenn Beck and everything he has done for America. But, I gotta agree. He looks so far into everything to get truth yet somehow he sees this religion and says here it is truth. I have done years of research and study and prayed and I can say it is great for teaching values and being an upright citizen but, as far as being the word of God and his church it just is not. I have been around a lot of LDS in my years and they use the fact that they had been persecuted as an example of it being a true church and I gotta say a good chunk of religions have had persecution one time or another. Like I said great people, I love what Glenn has done for us when it comes to bringing America together in liberty but, WOW! How did he come up with LDS as the one true church?

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 7:22pm

      @SARANDA & MAGGIE-140

      I suggest “Voices from the Dust” by Calderwood for your questions concerning archeology.

      I would also suggest anything by Hugh Nibley for biblical origins of our doctrine or ancient studies in general.

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    • boyd9
      Posted on September 1, 2012 at 1:59pm

      The problem with all religions is that the difference between true doctrine and deception is entirely in the eye of the beholder. I believe truth should be consistent. Which makes me look at the biblical scriptures –leave your father and mother and cleave to your wife and become ONE flesh, My Father and I are ONE, and Father please help them become ONE as you and I are ONE and believe there has to be a way to interpret them which makes them all true. One in purpose or objectives makes them consistent. One in terms of the same Being or body does not. Throw in the principle of resurrection which makes it clear that it must be important for each of us and Christ to have a physical body following this life and it makes it impossible for me to believe that Christ and God are the same being. That doesn’t mean I am right, it does however mean that there is a very logical and consistent with the Bible way to believe that God and Christ are in fact two separate and distinct being and that Beck and others can study and reach that conclusion without being considered odd.

      For the life of me I can not understand how liberals/progressives can look at what is happening in Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal, etc. and conclude that we can do the same things here and expect different results, but they do. I think politics must be a lot like religion. We believe because we believe and frequently logic and facts have to be ignored to preserve the belief.

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    • y_lentz
      Posted on September 2, 2012 at 6:14pm

      Persecution? No, the early saints of the Bible were persecuted. Joseph Smith died with a pistol in his hand. Literally.

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  • Verity58
    Posted on August 31, 2012 at 6:02pm

    Beck is an Zionist Mason Mormon which is antichrist as far as I can tell. Beware the false prophets.

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    • TurboCat
      Posted on September 2, 2012 at 5:51am

      Thanks, BOYD9, for your post.
      Your last two sentences have given me an “aha!” moment because it is true that politics must be sort of like religion, especially when people become unreasonable. Which I see in the Left. They become unhinged when challenged. And ProgressivIASM is like a spiritual sickness. It affects the soul.

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  • Abraham Young
    Posted on August 31, 2012 at 5:31pm

    I am Mormon. I am a conservative. I disagree with Becks point of view.

    I think we are being railroaded, regardless of whether the party doing the railroading uses a Mormon as a political shield.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pKaXqoC4DjE

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  • Abraham Young
    Posted on August 31, 2012 at 5:27pm

    RNC disavows Reagan

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pKaXqoC4DjE

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    • boyd9
      Posted on September 1, 2012 at 2:54pm

      Abraham
      Sometimes I wonder if both political parties are corrupt and the ultimate objective of both parties is to grow government to the point that we become it’s property, subject to it’s will. I believe there is only one way to make government responsible and in possession of an objective or purpose that is consistent with a free and productive society. We have to change our voting requirements. We have to make entitlement free living a requirement to have the privilege of voting. Every person should have to live free of government entitlements for more than six months in any election year in order to have the opportunity to vote. (SSI and Medicare are not entitlements). This will be extremely difficult because both parties will fight it as racist policy. It isn’t. The purpose of this type of voter requirement would be to eliminate the conflict of interest that exists between those who vote and corrupt elected officials who exploit them by promising them other peoples money in exchange for their vote. Just think of all the good that would take place if the ONLY way a politician could obtain someones vote would be to help them become productive and self-sufficient citizens rather than by encouraging them to live dependent and unproductive lives and paying them to become dependent just to get political power. It is a seductive promise these corrupt politicians make and unless we take steps to make it impossible, they will continue to use it to increase power.

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  • jumbles
    Posted on August 31, 2012 at 5:21pm

    When Beckypoo delivered his rant he was showing signs of being a self absorbed nob head and this was due to the fact that he is exactly that.I am still stunned that any seemingly rational human being can bear to listen to a single syllable that this emotionally challenged halfwit has to say.By the way,if you ever wondered what Beck would look like in a top hat,check out the label on a planters peanut jar.

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    • DarkJello
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 5:35pm

      That was a jumbled post. H8tas gonna h8t.

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    • DLV
      Posted on September 2, 2012 at 1:36am

      Jumbles- see this is where I doubt you’re a republican. Does every republican have to like Beck? No. But you seem to HATE him and I daresay I don’t think republicans or conservatives hate him. I honestly don’t see what the issue here is. I don’t agree with his mormon ideology but the statements on equality are spot on. That’s the point. The first black president was elected that’s proof right there. He was saying we came so far from when we enslaved black people to the point where we elected one. I really don’t think white on black racisms really exists as a big factor anymore. Black on white racism exists in droves unfortunately. Try making a little more sense next time. Peace.

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  • Mutiny
    Posted on August 31, 2012 at 5:13pm

    So let me get this straight. I am a bigot if I bring up Mormon stuff in talking about Romney, but Beck can celebrate it?

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    • DarkJello
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 5:22pm

      How in the world did you get that out of the article?

      Also, it is the way one talks about a topic that really matters.

      Every topic is legit IMO. But if you take “racism” cues from Chris Matthews, you are off track.
      Too many are standing in the way of real progess, and some of them are black “leaders” scoring cash.

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    • Mutiny
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 5:35pm

      He gets emotional for people bring up the Mormon issue and now he gets emotional highlighting the Mormons issue.

      I for one believe religion is a major topic for the president. I believe it is very fair to look into Obama’s past and faith. The same should be for Romney, but the second you bring it up on these forums you are called a bigot.

      There are constant references to Muslim beliefs in a negative way on this site but if you bring up the fact that Mormons believe in multiple gods, Jesus and Satan were brothers, God was once a man, and that Mormons believe through exaltation they can become gods themselves. You are called a bigot.

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    • Joey8
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 5:54pm

      When socially retarded people like you that don’t know how to have a conversation start spouting out talking points that you read on a website, that’s when it gets annoying.

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 5:56pm

      @MUTINY

      It‘s NOT the fact that people bring up ’Mormonism’ or the fact that they disagree with its tenants that Glenn was bringing up; it was the fact that 18% of the people wouldn’t vote for someone if they are Mormon, while less than 5% wouldn’t vote for someone if they were black.

      To look into the church yourself and find it’s not for you is perfectly acceptable. But let’s part as friends.

      Most Latter Day Saints on here respond to posts like yours with gentle correction; we rarely attack someone for the things they believe in that are different than ours.

      Some doctrine only makes sense if you have a basic understanding of other principles. The things you mentioned are examples of this.

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    • Mutiny
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 8:15pm

      @brother

      You are kidding right? You havent seen the attacks on me then. I have been called pretty much every name in the book by Mormons.

      As for getting answers, I am sorry I get contradictions.

      One will say we believe in one God and then the call me names. The next will argue with me about the holy trinity being three separate gods. The ones that argue the holy trinity believe in multiple gods. So which is it?

      Then there are the ones that say we do not believe we can become gods then they call me names. The others will say well we are all children of god and we will inherit god status from God. Those people believe they will one day become a god.

      The next one is the God was once a man, they will call me names and so no. The other group of Mormons will talk about well God did come to Earth as Jesus so of course he was a man. That group justifies the Mormon belief based on a belief they are say they are against(the holy trinity being one God, three entities).

      Lastly if I being up the idea that Mormons believe Jesus and Satan are brothers, I get called bigot and everything else. The other Mormons argue that god made everything so they are brothers. Well he also mad cows and I dont call them brother.

      Which is it Mormons? I know the your prophets believed these things. As I have said before I believe Satan has used his oldest trick in the book to get you. The Mormon faith hinges on becoming a god later. Satan sold the same lie to Adam

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    • Mutiny
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 8:16pm

      Oh, and sorry I am more than likely not going to respond. I am beach bound.

      Think about it Mormons, I pray you find the truth.

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 11:57pm

      @MUTINY

      It’s not necessarily that what you state is not what we believe in, most of it is at least close. The problem lies with the flippant way you put our beliefs.

      I claim to have studied the history of the church, I have read the Book of Mormon and prayed about it. I have even familiarized myself with the ‘anti’ literature, and I come to the conclusion it is true.

      You believe it is false.

      Since this is a matter of faith, not science with it’s provable right or wrong, courtesy and respect would be in order.

      I am sorry that some of my brothers and sisters have sunk to calling you names. It is difficult to put up with ridicul on a constant basis, especially since it is caused mainly by ignorance. Even good Latter Day Saints have their limits – remember the Mountain Meadow Massacre.

      Anyways, enjoy the beach!

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    • boyd9
      Posted on September 1, 2012 at 2:13pm

      Sort of like Obama and Biden can teach hatred of whites without being called racist but everything Romney says is considered racist by the left even if it has nothing to do with race.

      If you talk about something respectfully, you aren’t a bigot, you just have a different point of view, when you disrespect or make disparaging comments about someones beliefs you are a bigot.

      Our founding fathers understood this–there should be no religious test for holding public office. Which means to me that we take an bigoted view of any politician running for office. Look at where he or she wants to take us as a country and not where they go to church. In this election though it looks like each candidates religious beliefs do have an impact on where they want to take the country. Barrack Obama has been taught to hate this country by Reverend Wright, Mitt Romney has been taught to love this country and respect the constitution by his faith. So while I have to agree with the founders that religion should not be a litmus test, the impact of that religion on a candidates policy for me will be a consideration. It looks to me like Mr. Obama’s hatred of America is why he will not stop the out of control federal spending and curb the destructive deficits and debt. Forward is not the right direction when the country is standing on the edge of a cliff.

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  • Polarized America
    Posted on August 31, 2012 at 4:37pm

    wow did beck just realize what America did when we elected a Black President, and now cry‘s because he can relate because we’er about to elect a Mormon …. wow, just WOW

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    • DarkJello
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 4:49pm

      “I don’t know what barrier is left for you in your life, but wait until you have that moment. America is about to do it again.”

      Polarized:

      I pasted the above because you clearly missed the point. Savvy?

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    • encinom
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 4:55pm

      You know it wasn‘t until the 70’s that mormons claimed that Blacks were equals. Beck is just sticking up for a fellow magic underwear wearer.

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    • JRook
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 5:02pm

      Yep you can do anything in America. You can utilize the bankruptcy laws to buy companies for 10 cents on the dollar, raid the pension plan, move the jobs overseas, stiff the creditors and walk away with an above average ROI. You can place you money in offshore accounts, hide behind shell corporations and use IRA tricks to avoid paying taxes that the average American pays. Oh and still claim you are of high character, integrity and ethics…. and of course a solid citizen.

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    • DarkJello
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 5:05pm

      @jrook:

      Dems had near total control for 2 years. Why did they not change these laws?

      This double standard is tiresome. Greed by both parties has caused the current American decline.

      Owebama is the president. Kinda time to take at least some responsibility methinks.

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    • DarkJello
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 5:15pm

      @encinom:

      I will pray for you. It is not too late.

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  • girlnurse
    Posted on August 31, 2012 at 4:20pm

    Can we stop pretending we live in a free country? The IRS, TSA, Federal reserve, and NDAA prove otherwise. How is it Glenn just keeps getting by with playing both sides of the coin? We have never had an asian President, poor President, or a woman President. Who cares!>? We need to dismantle the police state!

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    • ModernSouthernEmerson
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 4:33pm

      Yet..an Asian, woman or poor president yet, which is the point I think Beck is trying to make. Yes our goverment needs to be reformed. Yes, our federal and state goverments are not perfect, but there is NO perfect form of goverment, PERIOD…only ideals of one. I am willing to take all the bad along with the good.

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    • girlnurse
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 4:45pm

      “I am willing to take all the bad along with the good”

      Yes for now, but is there not a point where you draw the line? Or just continue the slow boil of the frog in the pot? Don’t forget the kids and grandkids.
      IMO we are way off course. We need to make an about face if the America we know is going to survive. So far, not much (if any) discssions of police state, NDAA, drones TSA, big government intrusions, etc etc. at the convention. How about all the IRS agents tha will be hired under Obamacare? Bailouts??? croney Capitalism…???

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  • Locked
    Posted on August 31, 2012 at 4:13pm

    “And without even thinking, I said, ‘He’s Mormon, just like us. And in America, even if you’re Mormon, you can do anything.’””

    … no offense, but wasn’t it just a few months ago you were saying “We’re all Catholic”? And yet today, the article about the Catholic priest calling 14-year olds “pursuers” who abuse nerve-wracked priests is closed for all comments.

    This… just kinda sticks in my craw. Religion is not a test for president, nor should it be. But in this case it feels like hijacking a religion for emotional appeal. Beck himself converted to the church of LDS; it’s not as though his family had to live through the early years of the church and the persecution and violence they faced. I feel as though this is like a man converting to Judaism in the 1980s and bragging that his people survived the Holocaust.

    Yes, Mr. Beck. Christians can become the president of the United States. Romney‘s faith shouldn’t be the deciding factor for ANYONE however: it should be his policies.

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    • 80s_Kid_Wants_Rainbow_Back
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 4:31pm

      Agreed that Presidents shouldn’t be nominated or rejected based on their religious affiliation, however Beck has every right to feel pride and gratitude that a member of his faith has broken a barrier. I also think it is historical and meaningful. There is still a great deal of misconceptions and bigotry aimed at Mormons and I am proud as well to see a majority of Republicans overcome this barrier.

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    • girlnurse
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 4:33pm

      Agreed! its NOT anything to do with religion–it’s MONEY! Yes, even if you are Muslim you can be President if you have enough MONEY! If you have enough MONEY in this country you can get away with murder or ANYTHING else. (OJ Simpson). Has NOTHING to do with being a Mormon

      “For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs”. 1 Timothy 6:10
      Even craving power.

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    • 80s_Kid_Wants_Rainbow_Back
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 4:46pm

      @girlnurse, well as Paul Ryan’s dad would say, “you’re either part of the problem or part of the solution. You should join efforts for campaign reform if you really feel that strongly. Not a dig, just a suggestion.

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    • Sewn Together
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 4:48pm

      No offense, but I think you missed the point. He’s not saying that you should be voting for Romney because of his faith. I think he‘s saying that it’s more proof that our country, that Obama and the Democrats are continually touting as being racist, is showing once again that we are not. That they are more and more open to different people with different backgrounds.

      And I‘m sorry to say the persecution wasn’t just in the early years of the church. It‘s not as blatant but it’s still out there. I’m a member of the Community of Christ. (Formerly RLDS) We have a similar story as we were both founded by Joseph Smith Jr. My older brother and his wife were trying to pull their son out of the public school and enroll him in a private Christian school. They were told the couldn’t enroll their son because they were Mormons and therefore not really Christians. Now, my brother could have gone through all the explanations of how the churches were different, etc. but decided it wasn‘t worth it as their attitude proved they weren’t the school they wanted their son at anyway. My point. It’s still out there. I’ve lived through some painful experiences because people thought I was a Mormon. I finally got to a point of not telling people what church I belonged to and just saying I am a Christian. It’s a major positive that we are looking at the person and we can say “even a Mormon” can make it, because we see the person not the religion.

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    • DarkJello
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 4:54pm

      Funny thing here, but many christians don’t believe mormons are actually christian.

      There is NO religious test for president. Fact!

      Learning everything possible about a candidate reveals strengths and weaknesses, thus religion is a legit topic of discussion. Again, the 1st Amendment is not broken by religious scrutiny.

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    • girlnurse
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 5:07pm

      80′s kids: “you’re either part of the problem or part of the solution. You should join efforts for campaign reform”

      Sometimes part of the solution IS pointing out the problems as Glenn has done for us so well in the past. I’m afraid the solutions we need are way more complicated than getting involved in politics (which I have done in the past). OR what any “one person” can accomplish. I’m afraid this is wayy bigger than one person (yes even the President). What I have in mind is too much to type here–but I will say this:

      The days of “writing or e-mailing your representative” are LONG GONE my friend. Peace

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    • DLV
      Posted on September 2, 2012 at 1:38am

      Well stated locked. This is the only part where I disagree with Beck. His equality remarks were spot on, but he has to bring in mormonism or whatever. No, it should be about the policies. If an atheist had really good conservative fiscal policies at least and would turn around our current crisis. I daresay I might highly consider voting for him.

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  • progressiveslayer
    Posted on August 31, 2012 at 4:07pm

    Our first bi,Marxist ,mulatto,foreign,wow this guy’s got em all covered fraud POS president has done enough damage and will lose in November.

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    • Chuck Stein
      Posted on September 1, 2012 at 5:20pm

      He is also (as far as I can tell) the first president with a numeral in his name — but the “II” part isn’t ever mentioned. I bet it would have been if his last name were “Bush”

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  • Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
    Posted on August 31, 2012 at 4:03pm

    You CAN do anything, as long as the Govt give you the proper permits. Try to open a business, try to build a house on your own land, try to farm your own land, or sell milk from your farm.

    Even in housing areas we are giving our rights to HOA’s and letting a small group of people tell us how our house will look, when we can mow, what we can put in our backyards, and when the trash cans can go to the curb. This, we have done willingly.

    We are at a crossroads, either Left or Right. That is our choice.

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    • girlnurse
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 4:10pm

      Amen! AND you can only be President if you have millions and millions or you can get hold of it!!! Anyone who says otherwise is a liar.

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    • DarkJello
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 4:58pm

      Having “millions and millions” is not a bad thing, as you have implied.

      I don’t want a janitor as the president. He/she may have great character, but that is not enough.

      Most prefer someone with experience and success at the macro scale. Obama fails in both regards.

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  • pwatkins
    Posted on August 31, 2012 at 4:01pm

    Good point. Many presidents are the first bc of something rather it be race, religion, or whatever and true in America we are free to be whatever we work for and choose to be. Hope we can keep it that way.

    Although you missed that Obama is also the first gay president too according to many of his backers, so he killed two birds with one stone…lol.

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    • QuincySmith
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 4:21pm

      p’;

      You apparently forgot the billy clinton was the first black president.

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  • KeithOlberdink
    Posted on August 31, 2012 at 4:00pm

    How much you wanna bet that Chrissy Mathews viewed this as racist?

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  • Steelhead
    Posted on August 31, 2012 at 4:00pm

    Glenn is a victim. He said so when he called Obama a racist.

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  • Individualism
    Posted on August 31, 2012 at 3:57pm

    will he be saying that when Obama beats Romney? o know than he will say were under communist control. he just is a neo con shill or a mormon for mormon person.

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    • DarkJello
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 5:00pm

      So you have never heard of Reid?

      If you don’t have true knowledge, best not to opine.

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  • watersRpeople
    Posted on August 31, 2012 at 3:57pm

    Did anyone expect Glenn not to give a tear filled response to Mitt Romney‘s speech about his dad’s trickery in staying married?

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  • Jenny Lind
    Posted on August 31, 2012 at 3:57pm

    Love ya Glenn, you bring us many great moments, and make us have the sense to appreciate them. You have brought great education to us, and challanged us to do our own homework. You have even admitted when you are wrong. To me, you are a watchman on the wall. Thank you.

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  • papakono
    Posted on August 31, 2012 at 3:57pm

    Glenn is wrong. Barry Soetoro (legal name) is legally white. He only looks black and has half black genes. This is true if his birth cert. is true. That little pencil 9 next to his father’s race, makes it true.

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  • progressiveslayer
    Posted on August 31, 2012 at 3:57pm

    That’s right Beck Americans are united with one goal,remove our first and hopefully last foreign president in November.

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  • watersRpeople
    Posted on August 31, 2012 at 3:55pm

    Latter Day Saints. Lol! Apparently you can call yourself ‘Saints’, and you must be better than John the Baptist, because he didn’t call himself Elias. LDS is the church of Lucifer.

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    • watersRpeople
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 4:05pm

      I still have to laugh about the time I threw a couple of your demon representatives out of my house.

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    • Kenszen
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 4:07pm

      You are an ignorant bigot. And judging by your post, you are pretty illiterate, too.

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    • 80s_Kid_Wants_Rainbow_Back
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 4:11pm

      Watersrpeople = Westboro Baptist member, aka ignorant, imbecilic religious bigot.

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    • watersRpeople
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 4:15pm

      Kenszen,
      Oh I‘m a ’Bigot” because I pointed out that John the Baptist didn’t call himself Elias, and yet Mormons can call themselves ‘Saints?’ I think it leaves a sour taste in your stomach, and therefore you had to puke out the name calling ‘Bigot’ so you can think about that word over and over again to confirm it in your ignorant ant mind.

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    • red_white_blue2
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 4:18pm

      No it’s not the church of Lucifer–but it appears your one of his nuts that escaped–better get home before pitch-fork man comes lookin’ for ya!

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    • watersRpeople
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 4:24pm

      When America goes down – all the cowards afraid of their own shadows will go back to drinking.

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    • 80s_Kid_Wants_Rainbow_Back
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 4:40pm

      No Waters, you are a bigot for calling the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints ( a church that worships and follows Christ’s teachings) the church of Lucifer. And youre a moron for opening your mouth period. Suggest you look up the definition of bigotry.

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    • DarkJello
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 5:02pm

      Wow, you kinda just revealed your true colors.

      Best of luck in life.

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    • Abraham Young
      Posted on August 31, 2012 at 5:35pm

      The Book of Mormon is true. Ignore it at your eternal peril.

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    • ChristianLayman
      Posted on September 1, 2012 at 1:02am

      You realize that sometimes it’s better to dialogue with others of theological difference in a respectful and humble tone, rather than accuse everyone else who isn’t of your particular denomination of going to Hell, being of the Devil, or just being outright insulting.

      If you believe that your particular sect holds fast to the one true faith, then promote your community based on its merits, because even if you throw out reasons to not be a Mormon, that is not necessarily an endorsement of your own theological position.

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    • boyd9
      Posted on September 1, 2012 at 2:16pm

      If it is the Church of Lucifer how does it accomplish so much good in this world? As Christ said, a house divided can not stand. An evil organization therefore can not do good.

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    • Eblaze44
      Posted on September 1, 2012 at 6:12pm

      John the Baptist wasn’t “Elias”. And what has that to do with being called a “saint”? There’s an old Baptist (and perhaps used in other denominations as well) that goes something like: “…When the roll is called up yonder … when the ‘chosen ones’ shall gather on the other shore .. and the saints are called up yonder … I’ll be there….”

      From wikipedia: In Christian usage, “saint” refers to any believer who is “in Christ”, and in whom Christ dwells, whether in heaven or in earth.[1] (2Corinthians 5:17; Ephesians 3:14-19; 2Corinthians 13:5) In Orthodox and Catholic teachings, all Christians in heaven are considered to be saints, but some are considered to be worthy of higher honor, emulation, or veneration.

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