Beck Explains Why He Supports Raising the Debt Ceiling
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When Glenn Beck appeared on Fox Business Network with Judge Andrew Napolitano on Tuesday night to talk about whether or not to raise the debt ceiling, the segment ended up confusing the media and Beck followers alike. That prompted Beck on Thursday to come out and clarify what he meant: he supports raising the debt ceiling.
“So where does Glenn stand on the debt ceiling?” an article on his website asks. “The issue came up last night between Glenn and Judge Napolitano, and afterwards everyone was unsure what Glenn thought. Well, after a forty-minute philosophical discussion, we have an answer. Kind of. Maybe.”
The segment with Napolitano featured Beck saying at one point raising the debt ceiling would be the “beginning of the end” of Republicans, but also that if America did not raise it and pay the money “we owe,“ the rest of the world ”flees from America I believe”:
Thursday, Beck did his best to clarify, saying that he supports raising the debt ceiling as long as that decision is coupled with meaningful reform:
Beck’s producer Stu summed up the position this way:
On the debt ceiling you’re essentially saying, look, you have to be serious about actually solving this problem but that doesn’t mean we default on all our debts. I don’t understand what is fiscally conservative about defaulting on debt. That’s not something that is — it’s about being responsible for your actions and your past actions. … Raise it as long as it’s paired with legitimate fiscal responsibility.
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Comments (249)
DRSAVAGE24
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:46pmAlso, let me know if you need a proofreader or editor for the site. I was a newsletter editor in college and it looks like you guys could use some help being more physically conservative while defaulting on the debit :)
Report Post »tiger6
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:45pmGlen is right on the money. The US $ is the reserve currency of the world. China, Russia, Brazil and others want to establish a new world currency. Nothing would suit them better than for the US to default on even one loan payment. The default would be used to justify a new world currency and start a flight away from the dollar. This could distroy America and play right into the Progressives Hands.
Dont cut off your nose to spite your face. Use this opportunity to beat the progressives into a large cut in spending but to make a cut big enough and quick enough to keep us from running over the current debt limit, would cause the economy to go into a tailspin worse than anything we have seen in recent times.
I am a strong conservative but I dont allow my wishes to get in the way of COMMON SENSE. Play hard but play smart! Dont do something stupid on principal.
Dont support soemthing for
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:51pmOkay, so PRINTING more money is the answer? NO. STOP THE SPENDING. How do you run your own household budget? If you don‘t have money and you’re already in debt, do you buy more things you don’t really need? In this case, that would be FRIVOLOUS spending and there is tons of it, plus GIVING foreign aid with borrowed money? It’s insane and it has to stop!
Report Post »Clean Patriot
Posted on January 6, 2011 at 10:59amWe need to stop all the foreign aid too! don’t borrow to pay other nations debts. they don’t appreciate what America has done for the world, then cut them off and balance our budgets.
Report Post »firstHat
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:45pmI hope that should be “FISCAL” responsibility!
Is the Blaze looking for a copy editor? I’ll send a resume, if so :-)
Report Post »N37BU6
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:43pmIn other words, you have to spend to get out of debt.
Glenn Biden.
Report Post »LadyIzShy
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:43pmI say the ONLY we we raise it is if we have a balanced budget ammendment AND we cut at least 1/3 of every single item in the budget…
Report Post »NewBee
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:42pmI guess I have mixed feelings since what are we doing barrowing to maintain our credit? I got and Idea let’s outright cut everything so we do not have to raise it at all… This is crazy….
Report Post »DRSAVAGE24
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:39pmUm, Glenn was also in favor of TARP….for 3 days, he reminds us….I heard Rand Paul and Mike Lee on the Judge‘s show a few days ago and they’re against it, or at least they’ll refuse to raise it unless we have a balanced budget amendment or other safeguards to cut spending. THAT is the rational perspective. Glenn’s heart is in the right place, but this is a head scratcher. He’s always talking about tough times ahead, but we can make it, yet he doesn’t sound willing to take the medicine we have coming. I’m tired of kicking the can down the road to future generations. I’m willing to go through a lot of pain now so they can remain free and prosperous down the road.
Report Post »JohnQTaxpayer
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:39pmWe are faced with two choices
Report Post »Either we cut spending by at least 20% year one and 10% every year for the next 5 or
No one in the world will fund our spending, and we will be forced to cut the CURRENT budget by 30 %
Raise the debt ceiling with a promise to lower it within 6 months
grussell54
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:42pmA promise means absolutely nothing to a politician.
Report Post »JohnQTaxpayer
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:46pmI am afraid the seeds of fiscal Armageddon have already been sown, and will produce a bloody bloom soon
However, we are Americans we have to try to save this country
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:48pmWHO exactly will make this PROMISE? hahaha Won’t happen. Keep that ceiling right where it is and FORCE cuts, so we can pay down some of our debt. I don’t get this…
Report Post »grussell54
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:37pmThe average American’s gut reaction is “don’t raise the debt ceiling”. The average American see‘s it as giving more money and power to people they don’t trust who are screwing things up. The average American want’s it to STOP NOW!
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:53pmQuite right.
Let’s say I have a lot of debt in my household. I have a given income of X dollars. I cannot cover my debt with my income this year because I wish to increase my spending but only have X dollars. Do I:
A) Take out more credit cards and spend it in hopes that I will make myself be more fiscally responsible…next year.
B) Put the kibosh on plans to increase spending on little Bobby’s allowance, do not take out any more credit, and begin cutting the household budget across the board until I get the spending and debt under control?
It seems pretty obvious. Glenn is not thinking this through.
Report Post »tranquilrider
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 7:19pmGhost
Report Post »While your household analogy makes sense. The consequences of defaulting on those credit cards are not even close to what they would be if we defaulted on the National debt. Your example clearly makes sense if we had been practising this for the last few years but that isn’t the case.
GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 6, 2011 at 9:07am@tranquilrider
Actually, if you think about it, it makes sense at any level. One cannot continue to increase one’s debt and come out ahead or even break even. We’re already at the “we can’t even break even“ because this whole charade of ”raise the debt ceiling” has been employed so many times in the past for various inane reasons. Every single time, we find ourselves being told “ok, this time, we *really* need to raise it”. If this continues we will not be able to even service the debt interest, which is a day I believe is fast approaching.
It will be painful, politically and reality wise, but we need to stop this insane policy of adding debt to debt to pay off debt. It is irrational and insane. Keep the ceiling where it is, reduce spending to make up for the increase you would have requested, then pay the debt with that. When grandma screams at the top of her lungs or soldiers gripe about not getting a pay raise, shake your head and say “hey, that‘s where we’re at now, sorry” and sally forth.
There is really, in my opinion only of course, no other sane course.
Report Post »takingonissues.com
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:37pmSame old double standard…some things never change.
Report Post »KnightFire
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:35pmBeck’s producer Stu summed up the position this way: …”I don’t understand what is physically conservative about defaulting on debit. “…
Who is typing this stuff?! First, it’s fiscally conservative, not physically conservative; second its debt, not debit.
Let’s not give the progressives any reason not to take this site seriously…
Report Post »GEW
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:46pmI thought I lost my mind, I understand a typo, but a “wrong” word completely is just laziness. But I still love this site.
Report Post »wampanoag
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:34pmJust because the debt ceiling is not raised does not mean that the government is in default. It can take money from other programs to pay its debt obligation. It must not be raised, otherwise Congress just spends whatever it likes. I don’t know what happened to Beck, but he is very disappointing to me, and his show is unwatchable and unlistenable. He seem to want to get on the good side of the liberal sponsors.
Report Post »KnightFire
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:33pmBeck’s producer Stu summed up the position this way: …”I don’t understand what is physically conservative about defaulting on debit.”… Who is typing this stuff?
First, its fiscally conservative not physically conservative; second, it’s debt, not debit.
Report Post »republitarian
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:43pmI can forgive a spelling error. But that is a serious comprehension problem.
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:33pmGlenn, if we make enough CUTS, INCLUDING withholding hundreds of BILLIONS in FOREIGN AID, we can stop borrowing from China and pay down some of our debt? I thought the theory was “if you find yourself in a hole, STOP digging!”
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 3:04pm“So what do we stop paying first, Medicare, Medicaid, our soldiers, government employee salaries and pensions? It would collapse the entire economy. Our dollars would be worthless, millions would lose their jobs, there homes, there ability to support their families or pay the bills. Even the GOP can’t find the $100 billion in annual cuts they promised. What do you think would happen to tax revenue when the economy tanks? It will be even less than it is today due to the huge economic collapse default on our debt would trigger. How many decade would it take to recover if ever. People complain about leaving our children all of this debt why in the world would you want them to inherit a destroyed nation?”
That’s what I thought as well. He’s making two fundamental mistakes:
1. Giving government permission to spend even more money it does not have and not cut a damned thing right now, today, when we need massive cuts across the board.
2. Telling us we can trust government to write a law that would “force” them into fiscal responsibility. Hello Glenn, clue phone, the “debt ceiling” was supposed to be just such a law and/or reform. Remember?
Report Post »american1st
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 3:27pm1. Giving government permission to spend even more money it does not have and not cut a damned thing right now, today, when we need massive cuts across the board.
2. Telling us we can trust government to write a law that would “force” them into fiscal responsibility. Hello Glenn, clue phone, the “debt ceiling” was supposed to be just such a law and/or reform. Remember?
exactly
Report Post »oldguy49
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:33pmcut all foreign subsidies in half as well as as all subs in the us and subs for publicic broadcasting…..flat tax and then increase debt ceiling
Report Post »Fozz
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:32pmIt’s about darned time someone made the call for “physical” responsibility!
Report Post »GrumpyCat
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:32pmWe have uncovered Glenn Becks secret! Glenn has a time machine! The even occurred yesterday (Tuesday) and he apologizes/corrects tomorrow (Thursday)!
Report Post »SlimnRanger
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:42pmlol thanks Grumpy i was a bit confused about that as well
Report Post »calijohn
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:45pmi always thought so.
Report Post »mrmikejohnson
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:32pmCommon, Glenn. These idiots need to be cut off. If you keep raising the debt ceiling, they’ll keep spending money. They need to be FORCED to stop spending money.
Look at California. They’re giving in-state tuition to illegals and setting up sanctuary cities. They just enacted almost 1,000 new laws making life tougher for everyone. They’re going to come to the federal government looking for a handout very soon. They need to be rejected so that they make better decisions for themselves. The same thing goes for the whole federal government. THEY NEED TO STOP SPENDING!!! NOW!
Report Post »VoteforReagan
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:31pmWhy allow room for more irresponsible spending, whether that come from dems or rebublicans? I just don’t see how poor decisions in the past can justify more of the same.
Report Post »Xcori8r
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:31pmIt’s necessary if there is to be a phased solution but if nothing else, it will buy some time.
Report Post »Wyatt
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:29pmThen when do we start paying the piper? I say freeze the ceiling until these maroons in gov‘t show us they’re serious about cuts. You’re wrong Glenn.
Report Post »Deuteronomy22
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:28pmGood for him for taking the rational view on this matter.
Report Post »Sgt.Crust
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:54pmThis is not rational, it is enabling the stinking progressive agenda to move forward – KILL THE BEAST – starve it of money and it will DIE….we all go through much pain yes, but the pain later will be much worse…have we learned NOTHING???
Report Post »Deuteronomy22
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 3:10pmI believe Glenn may be leaning towards supporting Obama in 2012. The tax cut deal and raising the debt ceiling will make the economy prosper in 2011 into 2012. Go Glenn!
Report Post »brotherhiram
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 3:33pmdeut… Obama didn’t do anything, All Obama has done so far that has worked is a continuation of Bush’s policies, everything else he attempted has put him in peril and slaughtered democrats in the house…
And to think that voting for Obama would be pretty much 4 more years of Bush… who would haf thunk it.
Obama was elected because we were in 2 wars we weren’t supposed to be in, well we‘re still there and we’re withdrawing just about following Bush’s timelines.
GITMO… well still there.
Those evil tax cuts… 2 more years
Government intruding into our privacy, NSA wire tapping…
well let’s see on this one, I need take a bit on this….
1 still wiretapping
2 tsa treating everyone like terrorists
3 napolitano warning us against returning soldiers, pro life and conservatives
4 attempt to have the right to seize emails from servers…
this sounds to me that this administration took Bush up a few notches…
Obama is an incompetend drone, he has no clue unless he’s told to, he’s an actor playing a president on tv, next he’ll be selling insurance on commercials
Report Post »Sgt.Crust
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 3:35pmLOL, balderdash!
Report Post »Sgt.Crust
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 3:41pm@Hiram, I agree with you here!
Report Post »Sgt.Crust
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 3:43pmthat BALDERSASH is for DEUT22 BTW…
Report Post »brotherhiram
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 3:48pmdeut, with VICE president Palin, we would be in a slightly better spot, with President Palin we would be in a MUCH better spot, as a matter of fact, any bellview hospital outpatient would have doen a better job.
Report Post »untameable-kate
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 4:15pmI notice that among all the potential presidential candidates you selected the two women. You are maybe a sexist?
Report Post »Beckofile
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 5:02pmWhat is rational about a view that raises the credit card limit? Why don’t they attach at the time of signing an amendment that says the government cannot spend more then it took in in revenues the prior year. That way we can extend the debt ceiling but Constitutionally never get to pull on that line of credit. Next and after this little 5th grade math experiment we can talk about the role of government and work hard at finding programs(thousands of choices not just military and cops) and spending that do not fit the Constitutions role of the federal government and we can elliminate them at a pace of let’s say 20% a year until they are gone. No more added debt and incrimentally smaller government until we put the toothpaste back in the tube:) As the cost of government goes down the private (Liberty Sector) can absorb the downsized eurocrats into the mail rooms or something? I don’t know what most of them are actually good at, as far as being a productive part of society?
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:28pmI heard it, and I disagree. He of all people should know that enabling attitudes are never helpful for the cure in the long run.
There is no reason, not one, to raise the debt ceiling. The cure is tough, and needed. If there is debt beyond the debt ceiling, then trash the budget and resubmit a new one with cuts. Stop forcing me, my children, and my grandchildren into debt, all on the hopes that the government will somehow voluntarily restrain itself with legalisms. Every law they write which “restrains” them always has an escape clause, and they always use that clause almost immediately as the ink is drying on the law.
Beck is wrong on this, and is not thinking clearly.
Report Post »Wyatt
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:34pm+1 It‘s going to be very uncomfortable for most but we can’t keep kicking the can down the road! The time to take the medicine is now.
Report Post »Deuteronomy22
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:39pmSo what do we stop paying first, Medicare, Medicaid, our soldiers, government employee salaries and pensions? It would collapse the entire economy. Our dollars would be worthless, millions would lose their jobs, there homes, there ability to support their families or pay the bills. Even the GOP can’t find the $100 billion in annual cuts they promised. What do you think would happen to tax revenue when the economy tanks? It will be even less than it is today due to the huge economic collapse default on our debt would trigger. How many decade would it take to recover if ever. People complain about leaving our children all of this debt why in the world would you want them to inherit a destroyed nation?
Report Post »Colonial Revolutionary
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:46pm@duet
Report Post »How about we start by ceasing ALL foreign aid.
GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:48pm@Deut
You said:
“So what do we stop paying first, Medicare, Medicaid, our soldiers, government employee salaries and pensions? ”
Stop paying first? See? That’s how it works with you addict types. Nobody said “cut off entire segments of government”. What I said was reduce the budget. So grandma doesn’t get that $250 cheque this year, well tough, it’s time to “share the pain” now. Grandma voted this crap in with nary a thought for tomorrow nor for a care about her grandchildren inheriting a broke nation, so maybe she should buck up now and accept that she can‘t get perpetual COLA’s to her SSN or Medicare/Medicaid. Reduce, or even halt spending at current levels, not “OMGWTF you’re saying to stop paying soldiers!”. Get real.
“It would collapse the entire economy. ”
Most fantasy scenarios, do.
“Our dollars would be worthless, millions would lose their jobs, there homes, there ability to support their families or pay the bills. Even the GOP can’t find the $100 billion in annual cuts they promised. What do you think would happen to tax revenue when the economy tanks? It will be even less than it is today due to the huge economic collapse default on our debt would trigger. How many decade would it take to recover if ever. People complain about leaving our children all of this debt why in the world would you want them to inherit a destroyed nation?”
All you’re selling is fear, in order to continue expanding the State that you love so much Deut. The days of fear have to end. We need to stop raising spending on government “benefits” programs, now. We need to stop raising military spending, now. Set us at current levels, or a modest 5% across the board cut, with promises of more cuts to come.
Stop being so damned irresponsible with money that’s not yours, sir.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 3:04pm@Ghostofjefferson
I agree. At some point in time we have to face the green eyed monster and stop spending. If we do not our children will have to or we leave them nothing.
Let’s look at it this way: Raising the debt ceiling does what? Allows more spending. If we continue spending more then taking in, what will it do? Collapse.
Either way, a collapse is coming. Raising our debt ceiling only prolongs it for a short period.
The answer is to cut everything a bit until spending is at an acceptable level. Yup, its gonna hurt but I’d rather take the pain then our kids. We Americans have a choice to make, either cut the very socialistic programs causing this or keep our hands out and collapse the USA leaving our children nothing.
Report Post »komponist-ZAH
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 3:05pm@Ghost–
Isn’t interesting? The left accuses Glenn of fear-mongering all day long, yet they always seem to throw up the most nightmarish scenarios they can possibly think up as a result of righ-wing policy.
There’s a word for that—it startes with an h and ends with ypocrit…
Report Post »Deuteronomy22
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 3:07pmSorry Jefferson you have no idea how bad things would become. I see the one thing you favor is starving old ladies though. I‘m sure you’re the same type who want to repeal the estate tax so trust fund slouches can live in luxury off of the gains of their sperm donor. I see where you come from. let the old ladies starve as the the wealthy to throw million dollar birthday parties for their child’s sweet sixteen. I bet you call yourself a Christian too.
Report Post »Wyatt
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 3:14pm@Ghost…. It’s impossible to argue with a pie-in-the-sky lib. Especially one that doesn’t even know the difference between Their, They’re and There. Let the miserable piece of liberal scat lie in the dung heap of socialism.
@Deut22, scat is a 100 year old word for fecal matter… Probably came into our vocab about the same time as our Constitution… Another 100 year old document you wouldn’t understand, according to your hero of intellectuals, Ezra Klein.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 3:17pm@Deut
“Posted on January 5, 2011 at 3:07pm
“Sorry Jefferson you have no idea how bad things would become.”
Nor do you. Ergo, your predictions are worth the keystrokes they were typed with. In a word, they are pointless.
“I see the one thing you favor is starving old ladies though.”
Opposing COLA’s is not “starving old ladies”. Though in your world, I know it is considered as much. In reality however, remaining at the same “pay grade” without a raise does not force you to starve. If it’s such a damned problem, you’re free to open a charity for old ladies and help supplement their non-reduced income.
“I‘m sure you’re the same type who want to repeal the estate tax so trust fund slouches can live in luxury off of the gains of their sperm donor. I see where you come from. let the old ladies starve as the the wealthy to throw million dollar birthday parties for their child’s sweet sixteen.”
Ad hominem. No logical argument presented. Rejected.
“I bet you call yourself a Christian too.”
Non sequitur, also an allusion to Tu Quoque. Argument rejected.
By the way, I enjoy exposing logical fallacies the left uses. I encourage you to continue to post substance free responses. :)
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 3:19pm@Komponist
“@Ghost–
Isn’t interesting? The left accuses Glenn of fear-mongering all day long, yet they always seem to throw up the most nightmarish scenarios they can possibly think up as a result of righ-wing policy.”
Not even right wing, just common sense policy. They are the ultimate fear mongers. If you suggest not RAISING somebody’s unconstitutional socialist welfare cheque, they immediately accuse you of wanting to starve women and children. The fear mongering, chest beating and otherwise crying for the “downtrodden” is silliness and is no longer applicable. We need cuts, now, and we need to continue cuts and reducing this socialist nightmare society until it no longer exists, incrementally. There is no time better to start, than now. If not now, when?
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 3:22pm@Wyatt
“@Ghost…. It’s impossible to argue with a pie-in-the-sky lib. Especially one that doesn’t even know the difference between Their, They’re and There. Let the miserable piece of liberal scat lie in the dung heap of socialism. ”
I know. He’s already completely failed to grasp my posts after I answered his questions (the answers which he of course screamed about despite his having asked for those answers), and has made a bee line directly into ad hominem as fast as he could. As is normal and expected, of course. I don‘t expect I’ll see any substantive posts from him on this thread.
Report Post »Sgt.Crust
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 3:30pmWe are BANKRUPT now anyway! If we don’t address this monster now, we NEVER will, VOTE the damn thing down now, stab the beast in the heart, kill it, and we will come back from the ashes! Much, much, pain now, but if we allow them to spend EVEN MORE, it will be 100 times worse when we face the music, and face it we will NO MATTER WHAT we do now! All Conservatives and Libertarians should be able to agree on this one!
Report Post »Sgt.Crust
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 3:38pmThere you go DEUT22, you just spoke the LIBERAL line, starving granny, may she eat dog food, etc…you are part of the problem in America today!
Report Post »komponist-ZAH
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 3:43pm@Ghost–
Report Post »Let me just say that you are one of my favorite Blaze commenters.
I love the smell of logic in the afternoon.
untameable-kate
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 4:02pmI love you Ghost, where would we be without your eloquence in the face of liberal fear mongering. Starve granny,Huh!! He left out all the poor little children and minorities we are going to kill if we don’t keep spending like drunken democrats. (I was going to say sailors, but don’t want to offend)
Report Post »Wyatt
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 4:03pm@DEUT22…
Like I said, I don’t debate libs like you. Bible in one hand and your hat in the other. I’ve done it many, many times to no avail. Last year I wrote a check to my gov’t for about 1/2 a million in taxes but that did nothing to sate their apetite for more. They sent me a bill for an additional $4.38 but told me I didn’t need to send the money this year. WOW! Thanks so muck Uncle Sam. And then to have my fellow citizens like you try to squeeze me for a few more dimes??? Pi55 off. I’ve NEVER taken a check from the gov. I don’t have a HS diploma. I grew up in a family of 8. Burned wood in the winter to stay warm. Paid my taxes. Pay for my kids college out of my pocket. I don’t take out loans and I work my A55 off to do it. I’m tapped and I will not take it anymore.
BTW. You failed the grammer/typo portion of your assignment. You can’t use “They’re are” together in a sentence. “They’re“ is a contraction of ”They Are“ so the use of ”They’re Are“ is like ”They Are Are” and is improper english… Or is that one of those 100 year old words I can’t figure out by myself?
Report Post »hickoryrat
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 4:06pmWould someone explain to me how you can borrow yourself out of debit
Report Post »komponist-ZAH
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 4:20pm@Kate–
Report Post »Maybe we could start a Ghost of Jefferson fan club?
:)
dirt_bag
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 4:38pm@Ghost, I agree and add that this is truly sad moment. Glenn has crossed over to the dark side. He was wrong on the TARP and is dead wrong on this. I could forgive the TARP call because we didn’t know the extend of the deception at that time but given we all now know what liars we are dealing with, how can this call be forgiven??
I guess it was a good ride while it lasted. Not sure what I’ll tell my kids at dinner tonight, they deserve a shot a future, don’t they?
This does not bode well at all.
Maybe see some of you around Judge Napolitano’s site, glad I still have him and Allen West to depend on, for now at least.
Report Post »DanB
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 6:39pmI am against raising the debt ceiling. Why? Because they will only spend it and there will be no reform. Sure we got a “new” congress but how did we get into this problem? Because debt is addicting. Don’t believe it? Just check with those in bankruptcy. Unfortunately, my wife and I ended up in bankruptcy after I was unemployed over a year. I was amazed to listen to the people in front of me declaring that they wanted to “retain” some of their debt! Fancy cars, RVs, and big boats. And one guy had all the above and he wanted to keep it all!!! I was shocked. These are all things I would have let go and/or sold before ending up there. My wife and I didn’t have all these things. So when I look at America and the federal government, I think we are just as addicted to debt as a people. As someone else stated, when the chips fall down even the conservatives will vote for the money and those who will give it to them. It is a problem that exists now. It is a problem that will exist two years from now, four years from now, and so forth. We are addicts, and until we are willing to give up our addiction then we will always remain slaves to our debt. This is why I oppose raising the debt ceiling.
What is the condition that I would accept raising the debt ceiling? I would ask for austerity measures. Cut the benefits. Cut the government. Cut the military (this one is hardest for me). Brutal cuts. You know there will be complaints. And why would I be satisfied with this as a condition for raising the debt ceiling? Because it is all this dead weight that is holding back our free market. How many bright people are just getting by in government jobs that could be working for the next Microsoft or Intel? How many private citizens are being held back from building that next Microsoft or Intel and thus creating wealth in America? I really believe that if we set the free market loose that it could gain the momentum to pay the massive national debt over time. But as long as we are slaves to big government, and we are slaves to associated benefits and debts that go with big government, like addicts we will never set the free market loose because we need every penny we can pinch from it to pay our addiction. And all those pennies add up and thus the free market will never succeed while we keep raising our debt ceiling like the addicts we are. I know they will never accept austerity measures until the economy collapses completely. No one is willing to say “I invested in a government managed retirement program and I ain’t getting my money back and will probably have to work until I die.” Sure, there are a few of us, but as a nation we are invested in social security and unwilling to accept the loss. Why do you think the health care bill was sculpted so that we would pay for it first because once we spent the money we would demand the service. It was a trap. They knew we would be like the monkey who puts their hand in the box to get the nut but wouldn’t let go of the nut so we could get our hand back out the hole. Our firm grip on the nut in the box (our money) would trap us with the box (socialism). So the only way I am accepting raising the debt ceiling is that we give up all those socialist programs and the big government, letting capitalism free to do its magic.
Report Post »Wdawg
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 9:20pm@DEUTERONOMY22
Dont forget how much we pay to service our current debt. If the debt ceiling is not raised then the US will start to default on its obligations.
We are slaves to the Federal Reserve!
Report Post »Deuteronomy22
Posted on January 6, 2011 at 5:11amWyatt
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 4:03pm
LOL yeah I realized that this morning regarding my they’re. I get with with the debating thing though. We are both set in our ways and I truly believe there has got to be some brain structure issues as reported in that study. I won’t judge superiority vs inferiority though. I have a good friend at work who one day said “I hate liberals”. I am left of center, not a die hard liberal but could be included in his hate group. I know he doesn’t hate me nor I him. I find it disturbing that there is so much animosity being stirred up by our so-called leaders. We are all Americans first. I would defend your family if I saw them being attacked on the street, give you CPR, and feed and shelter a friend in need regardless of their political philosophy. So maybe one day we can reach a point where we can discuss rather than debate. At least you’re not threatening to shoot me as has happened in response to my postings in the past. There are some people here who I strongly disagree with and actually believe I could befriend because they are always civil and I respect their principled views. You don’t need to call me scat to get your point across or correct my grammar, heaven knows there are far worse offenders. Just remember that we probably have more in common than not. My brother is a strong GOPer as are my parents. Maybe I got dropped on my head as a child because I cannot agree with much of the conservative agenda. Anyway have a good day.
Report Post »DanB
Posted on January 6, 2011 at 10:32am@Duet
Do some of us want Grandma to starve? No. Well, maybe some do. I think some figure that if we cut our losses now that they can what is theirs and just let grandma starve. Grandma ends up dead and when everything sorts out they still have their life and a bright new future.
However, there are those of us who look to the future. We see greed all around us now. We see greed going into the future. We see the money running dry for all these programs in the future. Either way we look at it, grandma is dead. The only difference is that grandma today may have died of old age already but there is always grandmas, so the grandma of that day might die from any number of causes including and not limited to a society that has so changed in its thinking that the people (you and me) have gone from thinking we should help grandma live to believing that the best thing to do for grandma is to kill her off before her life becomes unbearable. So some of us want the drastic cuts now to turn around our country and rebuild it now, not because we want grandma to die but because we believe we still have a people who might share their food with grandma, who might share their roof with grandma, who might share their love with the grandma. When some of us look to the future, we see a high probability that the further we go do this road into national debt, the harder it may become for us to care for our neighbors. Even if we were no less capable of assisting, we might have changed as a nation to the point that we no longer would. We would only think of surviving ourselves and believe (perhaps rightly) that it was all we could do to feed our own families and keep a roof over own head as the country turns to chaos when the debt collapses upon our nation….
Report Post »Wyatt
Posted on January 6, 2011 at 12:38pmDeuteronomy22
Posted on January 6, 2011 at 5:11am
I’ll stop with the spell check but maybe that demonstrates my black/white (pragmatic) viewpoint. That viewpoint has worked very well for me. It leaves no room for dishonesty and invariably forces me to make the RIGHT decision (emphasis mine). LOL
Your acknowledgement re: the animosity stirred up by our leaders should be a HUGE indicator to you. Why do give our “leaders” the power over you to bring about this animus? It’s a fact that libs are big gov proponents, using activism and ___________ warfare/envy (fill in the blank) to push the gov to fulfil the lib agenda yet your observation is that our leaders are just being divisive. Do you really believe that once the libs have successfully used the gov to fulfil their agenda that the divisive tactics used by them will then just magically stop? Seems Pollyanna-ish to me. You foment the divisiveness by the choice of your handle. My guess is that you are not a Christian at all. You use Deut 22 to beat Christians over the head with their own words, devoid of context. It’s the preverbial thumb in the eye tactics that we conservatives take exception to… but I may be wrong.
You also stated that you would defend my family if you saw them being attacked on the street, give me CPR, and feed and shelter a friend in need regardless of their political philosophy. Again, we differ on this. Not only WOULD I defend a family (black female in domestic dispute), I HAVE and it nearly cost me my life. And chances are she was an Obama supporter. I carry a CPR and first aid kit with me everywhere my pick-em-up truck goes. I fed and sheltered STRANGERS after a hurricane in Houston. 90% chance they were illegal and progressives as well. I’m not tooting my horn, I’m merely pointing out the differences between what libs think big gov should do and what AMERICAN citizens are willing to do in spite of big gov. Free up some more tax money for me to do bigger things and watch this country return to civility. Keep dishing the power to those in gov and continue to watch the downward divisive spiral.
I did call you scat and for that I apologize. I can sympathize because I know what it‘s like to be called things that I’m not. I’ve been called terrorist, enemy, bitter clinger, subversive, racist, dumb, redneck, uneducated, NASCAR crowd, etc… And this was by my gov. and this administration. What has Obama and his minions called you?
Report Post »Deuteronomy22
Posted on January 6, 2011 at 5:44pmWyatt,
Report Post »The deuteronomy22 comes from my view of the vast difference between Jesus Christ’s gentle nature and the harshness of the old testament. I tend to take a New Testament view of a compassionate lord vs a vengeful one. I f some find it offensive that is on them as it is in The Bible as are quite a few things that would make my mother blush.
As far as actually helping people, let’s just say I chose it as my profession.
Finally I find our entire political system corrupted by money and influence. I believe neither is interested in providing for our children’s future but rather for their own. They love to have the right and left attacking each other while they enrich themselves and bankrupt the nation. United we stand vs divide and conquer.
I am sure that if we ever met and were in a face to face setting our conversations would be much more civil and we could be friends. The anonymity of these boards tend to bring out our worst behavior. I am guilty of that more than I like to admit. So carry on and stand firm as I know I sure as hell intend to myself. Please take notice though when I post I often try to post a thoughtful message. I always get attacked with name calling and even threats. That triggers my darker side to reply in kind.
Good Day Sir
Midwest Blonde
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:27pmFrustrates the hell out of me that anything the Demorats do is Ok but if the Republicans do the same thing, we’re damned for it. *shaking head*
Report Post »patriot308
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 4:23pmAdd my head shaking also…. A NY blog just said they have inside info, that the 5th hr. of glenn beck was going to be michelle malkin
Report Post »arjundawg
Posted on January 6, 2011 at 9:57amIt’s high time for Republicans to quit playing around.
Report Post »This is the perfect opportunity.
Go ahead and make the hard decisions and let the pain begin.
One little fact…It doesnt matter because either way they will be damned and have the finger pointed at them.
So, do the right thing and lay all the cards on the table and let the American people decide.
This is looking more and more like Republicans trying to save their skin due to their lack of confidence in the American people.
Republic
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:25pmDamned if we do, damned if we don’t.
Report Post »cnsrvtvj
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:30pmAs much as I hate to support the position, I agree with what Glenn’s saying here. The last thing we need to do is increase the lack of faith in the US dollar. It’s devalued enough as it is. This will be a tough pill to swallow though.
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Report Post »marhee9
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:31pm@republic – That about sums it up.
Report Post »Sgt.Crust
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:41pmSorry Glenn, VOTE NO to Raise Debt Ceiling! It will hurt all of us like hell, but we stop the PROGRESSIVE BEAST in its tracks!
The only way to move forward is to STARVE the BEAST of Progressivism, here is where we part ways.
Report Post »Colonial Revolutionary
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:44pmSo I max out my credit card and when the interest comes due I ask the bank for credit increase to pay the interest? I don’t think so. How about STOP SPENDING.
Report Post »Sgt.Crust
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:49pmThe KING DOLLAR is dead anyway, this will just quicken the pace, the outcome won’t be any different if they raise it – think people!
Report Post »HillBillySam1
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:51pmSo am I to understand that we no longer control our economy, it controls us?!? Who in Washington has the guts to grab the steering wheel??? Rand Paul? Maybe. Who else???
Report Post »MOVETERAN
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:58pmI heard what Glenn is saying and I agree with what he is saying but unless at some point the debt ceiling is brought back down and a balanced budget amendment is passed all that raising the debt ceiling will do is give the government a bigger blank check. At this point the governement has yet to show a level of fiscal maturity to convience me that raising the debt ceiling is the best choice.
Report Post »untameable-kate
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 3:02pmHillBillySam1
Report Post »I was listening to Paul and he was ardent about the fact that he will only vote to raise the debt ceiling if there is some serious fiscal responsibility that goes along with it.
Fiscal responsibility, now there’s an idea a person can sink their teeth into.
EgoBrain
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 3:06pmI’ve never applied for a credit card, in my life.
Report Post »And I’ve financed only 2 cars. I know all about Pay as You Go.
I disagree with Glenn, I’d rather rip the band aid off fast.
beach4me
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 3:18pmWe have to take a stand. Yes, it will hurt, but not as bad as continually raising the debt ceiling and increasing spending. The need to raise the debt ceiling exists because we are spending too much. The solution is obvious.
Report Post »brotherhiram
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 3:20pmIt’s like dealing with serious addiction, cold turkey fails most of the time, you need a scaled back approach.
raising the debt ceiling, as long as it is used to pay down debt while promoting spending cuts will allow us to lower the ceiling in the future.
at least by doing this the republicans will be able to show everyone that they can be the party to lead us through this and the future for the next few decades.
Report Post »Sgt.Crust
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 3:26pmNo Mr Freemason, KILL THE BEAST NOW!!!
Report Post »snowleopard3200 {cat folk art}
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 3:26pmIndeed, but as Glenn also said, unless it is tied to fiscal responsibility for tackeling the national debt, then any changes will be meaningless. It will only buy us a small amount of time until the end that the Progressives are slavering for.
Report Post »Polwatcher
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 3:31pmI would say that if there is no pain there is no gain with the budget problems. A company in bankruptcy would not be shut down but it would be set on a new course to get back in the black.
Report Post »oldguy48
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 3:46pmRaise the debt ceiling and cut a federal department, like Energy, Education, FCC, etc. That gets the point across, pays the bills, and starts chipping away at non-constituitional departments.
Report Post »brotherhiram
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 3:46pmunfortunately Sgt, most people will vote with their wallet also, there are plenty conservatives out there that once they are hit, they will vote whomever gives them more stuff.
If we could repeal Obamacare, stop all money lending abroad, and actually collect on them we would be fine, but it’s not going to happen, unfortunately.
I do believe that before they raise the ceiling they should show us that they are willing to make big cuts.
Also you can’t approach this as a bankrupt business, if it is we’re toast regardless, this has to be approached as a failing business, you may need a loan to stay afloat while beginning to restructure and cut useless expenditure.
a flat tax would get rid of the IRS,
getting rid of obamacare would save us billions just in spending to create the infrastructure….
Unfortunately we weren’t able to pull off the senate win we needed in November to really make this happen.
we still need to play ball, unfortunately, with a democrat senate and pinocchio in the white house
Report Post »Sgt.Crust
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 4:04pm@hiram,
You make some good points, but since we are bankrupt anyway (we are not paying off $14 trillion in US debt, nor $54 trillion in total debt, much less $700 trillion in CDO’s and the like. Let me ask, what difference does it make, our King dollar is worth .04 cents, compared to pre-1913 levels? Yes we’d no longer be the reserve currency and have many implications, but face the music we must do now.
By voting NO to raise the ceiling, we do TWO things: will kill the PROGRESSIVE agenda, and put us on the path to fiscal sanity. It will be painful, of course, but if you been preparing for SHTF, you should be able to make it. This madness has to stop and stop now!
Report Post »*************************
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 4:07pmYou’ve got it BACKWARDS, Glenn. STOP THE SPENDING takes care of “debt ceiling” all by itself.
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ReggieRay
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 4:21pmDon’t revolt on Glenn, he trying to use “reverse psychology”. I don‘t think it’s going work.
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Report Post »shorthanded12
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 4:25pmIf Government as a whole was serious about debt reduction than start with the amount of government employees and public service unions, they do that than I will beleive there serious.
Report Post »JESUS-IS-LORD
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 4:30pmThis man is a puppet, you are all being duped like usual.
Report Post »How can you believe someone who works for the media and is filthy rich?
Beckofile
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 4:43pmI just checked my older brother into a half way house this morning for the the third try at formally getting off the drugs. He kept on asking me if he could have some allowance and new cell phone. I laughed for the first time and said “sure knock yourself out and go buy one yourself you lazy %$$%^”
I see the debt ceiling as no different then telling the addicted the hardest thing to say and that is your going to have to hit rock bottom or default on society before things will improve in your life. How is that Glenn does not see this? Keep the credit line open? Just tell the pirates in Washington it is time for a choice, the curb or sobriety? Adding to the debt is unjust and immoral to the future folks in our society. Can’t spend our way into prosperity. It will bring down the house of cards fast and hard but the house of cards will only fall bigger if we put another story on a crumbled foundation.
Report Post »EgoBrain
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 4:58pm@Beckofile~
Report Post »Good point.
1TrueOne55
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 5:18pmYeah we’ve heard this from Politcians before remember the Social Security Lock Box? It it was a true lock box then Congress would not have been able to fund some of the heinous programs they did in the Clinton Admin, just because you give them a locked box you also have to take away the keys to the lock.
And unless you target specifically with the Constitution the way we do things in Congress then it would not matter how you vote…
TEA PARTY CAUCUS WE ARE WATCHING !!!
Report Post »Wdawg
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 5:45pmGlenn Beck is supportive to raise the debt ceiling to protect his own wealth! We are all slaves to to the Federal Reserve System and have been for almost a 100 years.
Report Post »AmericanSoldier
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 10:42pmRaising the debt ceiling hoping for fiscal responsibility with that liability is like maxing out your credit card every month and calling your credit card company to raise your limit promising yourself that you won’t spend so much anymore. I got a perfect way for you to stop spending, cut yourself off from the ability to spend. How do i do it personally? I put all my credit cards in my desk at home and never bring them anywhere anymore.
We all know Government, regardless of who is in charge right now, will spend if they have the credit balance to do so. I say LOWER the ceiling!
Report Post »AmericanSoldier
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 10:43pmCNSRVTVJ So the best way to conserve the faith in a declining dollar is to print out even more of it, further declining the overall value of the dollar?
I’d only be for the raising of the debt ceiling so we can finally just put a buck shot into our economy so we can start over.
Report Post »StMichelob
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 11:53pm“We must restore ourselves to restore the country”. Effect personal change and affect those in you your house…..and affect those in your neigborhood….and affect those in your community…..and affect thoe in your state…..and affect those in your country”
Report Post »Who can argue except those move-on operatives on this site? Those commies who want to argue semantics? Who can argue, except those who faught to destroy our Constitution and are now drowning in the quicksand of their own lies and treason?
AzCowboy
Posted on January 6, 2011 at 6:59amRome wasn’t built in a day! WE THE PEOPLE have alot of work to do. Lets not bite off more than we can chew. Take big bites, YES. Be able to chew though. I’m ok with raising the ceiling(one more time) as it gives us time to do other things first. How many folks will hit the unemployment lines when we do away with the IRS,EPA etc. etc. Lets not burn Rome in a day. We turn the plane and glide (it’s better than the mountain). Slow down people, eat a little slower, we will get there.
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arjundawg
Posted on January 6, 2011 at 9:39amSeriously…
Somebody needs to explain what we are defaulting on.
So you mean to tell me that our markets and the world’s confidence is based solely upon a “number”
conjured up by the fiscally irresponsible that can’t control their spending habits?
This is like saying a person that is over his head in debt already, going further into debt will improve his credit score or somehow make others have the confidence to invest in him…
If this is the case, then what does that say about the intelligence of the markets, the rating systems, and other countries?
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 2:59pmThere is no more time to “buy”. We’re so broke now it baffles the imagination how much we “owe”.
The solution to massive debt is not to increase debt. You have to instead stop buying steaks and switch to hamburger. That’s reality. That’s the way it is. If I were a lender (China) I’d much rather have the person who owes me money (the U.S.) make real efforts to pay off that debt, what I don’t want is them taking out more loans.
You cannot pay off a credit card by putting the bill for it on another credit card. What college student has NOT learned this lesson?
Report Post »Sgt.Crust
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 3:06pmYOU got that right Ghost…STARVE THE PROGRESSIVE BEAST now!!! This is the perfect time to do it…
Report Post »Sgt.Crust
Posted on January 5, 2011 at 3:49pmWe are BROKE now! Why not rip the bandaid off, instead of nudging off, trying to minimize the pain, which does no good anyway?
The time is NOW, to go for the jugglar vein, and if we don’t do it now, it will be MUCH worse later…
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