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Comments (194)
spikebu
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 8:06amI guess Drago was right, you are a kid. You just proved my argument. Thanks! That wasn’t sarcastic.
Report Post »BGR38
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 8:03amThank You Glenn!!!!!!
Report Post »Ronko
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 7:58amIt’s worse then that. Practicing what you preach will only get you so far. What people need to do is rely on themselves and make their own decision and choices not depend on someone else to do it for them. Relying on God for guidence could be a good thing but it’s up to you to make those choices as God can only do so much.
Report Post »Sinista Mace
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 8:03amNice post.
Report Post »ZeitgeistBuster
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 9:08am@ RONKO
I’m surprised that you think God even exists. I’m just observing, not dissing on you here.
I would not be as disciplined to hold back if I were God. Leaving the world to it’s own devices after putting the first couple out of the garden would be too hard for me, given the mixed bag of accomplishments & horrors that awaited the brave new world that would flow from the seminal decision to reject God being involved with us.
“Relying on God for guidence could be a good thing but it’s up to you to make those choices as God can only do so much.”
Even when you have God’s guidance, it is still up to you to make choices. Just like a good parent who instructs his kids, but then gives them room to challenge what they have been taught. It is about developing your own judgement and character in this physical “proving ground”.
God does not intervene to right every wrong and to extract us from every problem…. we have huge lessons to learn from the results of the world we have created. We make our own beds… we need to sleep in them some so that later when the expulsion from the garden is reversed, we will actually listen when God says to us “careful, that stove is hot and will burn your finger.” Many of us will have burnt fingers we can talk about to show others the truth of the matter.
And your last point, that we have to make our own choices because “God can only do so much”, ….. If he brought into existence the Universe, and designed and set in motion a responsive, self sustaining and self correcting eco-system with Billions of species of plants and animals that are in an interdependent matrix, I don’t find myself sharing the sentiment that “God can only do so much”.
Report Post »Jesus made the claim 2000 years ago that we would aquire the ability to destroy all life off of the planet, and that he would be sent back at that point to stop us from global suicide. That is when we will all find out “how much” God can actually do…. once we have botched our turn at the wheel completely and beyond question.
Sinista Mace
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 1:42pmThe world must know evil, in order to know good.
Therefor, thank God for Satan, and love your enemies.
Report Post »Oldtexan
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 7:50am@ MDLWOODS Could not of said it better
Report Post »martnee777
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 7:49am@ Sinista Mace. I watched the video you posted. Alex Jones is just the other side of the same coin. He cites media matters, newsweek and google, all run by far left progressives. He attacks G.W. Bush, the military industrial complex, global banking and the patriot act, all favorite targets of the left. Not a single mention of the Obama administration, as a professed conservative, Mr. Jones could not find anything to condemn Obama in the new world order. I have heard all this before, from both sides, for decades, it is all the means to the same end.
Report Post »notsodumblond
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 7:47amsinista mace
Report Post »I went to your link.. the man on you link to youtube says he gets his information from George Soro’s Media Matters and other obvious left leaning news sites and i hardly call Media Matters an objective news. Yes it’s all about politics but at least Beck admits it,,,on the other side they hide behind news media status to fool people like you..
Sinista Mace
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 8:22amYou’re a fool for suggesting that EVERYTHING that comes out of ANY source is ALL false.
The same Media Matters that Jones cites ATTACKS JONES TOO!
Matter of fact, they‘re using personal attacks on Alex Jones’ credibility to try merge Glenn Beck into the conspiracy theorist category when Beck is a joke and doesn’t go NEARLY far ENOUGH for the liking of Jones.
FAILURE!
http://mediamatters.org/research/201102250047
Report Post »Sinista Mace
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 7:32amI certified you as a troll to myself because you demonstrated it to me and that’s sufficient for me.
Report Post »Sinista Mace
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 7:31amSo, because I agree with something Van Jones agrees with, that makes me a Van Jones Accolyte?
So if Van Jones says the sky is blue, and I agree with him, I’m a Van Jones Accolyte?
Your fractured logic is stupifying.
Report Post »drago
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 7:31amMace, i realize your are trying your best to show intellegence on here, but once again, you fail.
Report Post »You said “People with a little more grey matter……..”you might want to do some research on grey matter, if your refering to the “brain”, grey matter, would mean your dead, since a live working brain
is pink in color.But i will assume your matter is grey, by the constant trolling, and lack of proff in what you say.The name you have chosen to use in here, also denotes your age, only people intentionally
mispelling words using an “A” at the end instead of ‘er ’, or, ‘or’, are teenage kids trying to be cool.
Nice try kid, now move along.
LIBERTYandFREEDOM
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 7:23amRemember PATRIOTS …All that is necessary for the**triumph of evil** is that good men do nothing’
Report Post »mdlwoods
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 7:22amThose who are blind and cannot see, when facts and truth are in front of their faces, will never see until it is too late. I am not going to respond to mace and the others. I am going to pray for the veil to be lifted from their eyes and for the deceitful information they have been eating to be removed from them. I pity their souls. I have been watching, listening and researching with Glenn for over 2 years now and I have not found anything he has said that was untrue. I wish Glenn’s staff would put together a list of predicitons he has made over the past 5 years or so that have come to pass. There are a bunch of them, including the unrest in the middle east, the economy crash, the organization of the progressive-communists here. Nothing he has said is “profetic”. It is from pure research and history. Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it and it is happening quickly!
Report Post »Sinista Mace
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 8:26amThe winners write the history books after they’ve killed or otherwise silenced all their enemies.
Report Post »ZeitgeistBuster
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 10:17amSinista Mace,
While your line is true of a world ruled by dictators, the arrival of America on the world stage has temporarily flipped that observation on it’s head.
We live in a unique period of history where freedom of inquiry and study has allowed for even some of the revisions and lies from Ancient times to be exposed and overturned. And the effort to lie today has a very short shelf life. Even inside regimes which specialize in writing the history because they won (Iran) and are in power are finding themselves carried away by the currents of truth that are pouring to and from the people of every nation.
Report Post »ZeitgeistBuster
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 11:08amHey DAWG, I gotta respond to ya here: Thank you for bringing up specific examples where you claim Glenn doesn’t just have it wrong, but that he is a huge liar. I will give specific refutation where I know how you have it wrong.
“He said that no other President had never been sworn into office without a Bible.”
Havent heard this one. Has a President ever been sworn in without a Bible? I think that Glenn said that Madison wasn’t sworn in on a Bible, but I don’t have that one nailed down, I have to check.
“He said recently that $1.4 million of stimulus momey was used to repair a door at Dyess AFB. The doors repaired were aircraft hangar doors and the cost was not $1.4 million.The cost was $246000.”
So you are saying he was told that it was $246 thousand and decided to report it as $1.4 million?
“He said the US was the ONLY country that had a natural birthright provision.”
Havent heard this one either. You sure he didn’t say ONE of the only ones? Perhaps you are mistaken, or even EXAGERATING for effect?
{He said that the director of White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, “has proposed forcing abortions and putting sterilants in the drinking water to control population.”} I KNOW that this one is SPIN on your part. John Holdren co-authored a book which suggests “humane” measures that the government might consider to control population in a “crisis”. Glenn DID NOT EVER say that Mr. Holdren “has proposed” forcing abortions in his capacity as director of Science and Technology Policy. His problem (mine too) was with a lazy Senate that just waived that off as no big thing while considering whether to confirm his appointment by the president.
Look for other fools to fall for that one. I am up to speed on it.
“He said don’t go on the “cash for clunker’s” govt. site, because there is a privacy act you have to agree to before you get your cash wherein the govt. can access your computer and get any information on you they want.”
Report Post »You can’t lie to me on this one. I went to the site myself before it was changed, and the agreement was there word for word EXACTLY as Glenn had reported it in his newsletter and then the next day on TV…. Try again friend.
Sinista Mace
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 1:45pmI agree with all of you.
Report Post »LIBERTYandFREEDOM
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 6:51amGlenn Beck is a beacon of light and truth in a world of darkness and deception.He is a True AMERICAN PATRIOT…The left gets mad as hell when Glenn is right.That`s why They are always mad as hell.Call him all the names you want,he won`t be silenced.There is Millions of us standing with him.
Report Post »spikebu
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 6:33amBTW…Who certified me as a troll? Still think you are a Van Jones acolyte.
Report Post »SND97
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 6:32am@Sinista Mace
“I think 9-11 was an inside job”
Yep it was the PLANES that went inside that did 9-11. Grow up and get real. Insane stuff like this is why no one can take you seriously.
Report Post »Sinista Mace
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 6:40amROTFLMFAO!!!
Another drive-by trolling under an assumed identity trying to discredit my OPINION.
What a bunch of short-bus riders.
If you don’t take me seriously, then why the hell haven’t you responded to anything else on the thread and instead are focusing on my opinions, troglodyte?
Report Post »spikebu
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 6:30amSo, you disagree with Van Jones?
Report Post »Sinista Mace
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 6:21amSPIKEBU, you can call me all the names you want.
You’re a certified demonstrated troll.
I don’t throw in with Van Jones because I think 9-11 was an inside job.
That’s how your feeble mind construes and conglomerates things.
People with a little more grey matter have the ability to make more sophisticated distinctions.
Report Post »spikebu
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 6:02amWhy? You have missed the point. Glenn is not here to tell you WHAT to think. He just wants you TO think and come to your own conclusions. Why do you need Glenn Beck to tell you who Obama is? If you don’t already know, you probably never will. If you want the world to know who Obama is, then get out there and tell them! Do your part. Mace…you’re not a lib. You’re maybe worse. You’re a 9-11 truther. So is Van Jones. Do you throw in with his ilk?
Report Post »goatkid
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 5:22am@jzs
Report Post »Gleen Beck is not God like or A prophet. He’s a person.
We are all put here for a reason, but no one is God like. I think God put him here to tell the truth, which is not prophesying.
ZeitgeistBuster
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 8:30amActually prophesying is simply proclaiming God’s words. We think it means “predict the future” because God told the prophets to call attention to Israel’s terrible spiritual condition as an echo in miniature of the condition of the world at the end of the age.
The predictive part of prophecy is the LEAST IMPORTANT part. Taking to heart the corrective message is, so that we don’t fall into the same trap as the “stiff necked” dumbasses of the past.
So to prophesy is essentially to preach the truth.
Report Post »Don
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 4:44amsinista mace & walkwithme1966
I decided to waste my time and reply to you idiots. No other host researches as much as Beck and is right as often. It is not unusual for progressive liberals to hate someone who is right most of he time. Beck is right nearly all the time. But I am aware you lefties would never admit that. Another thing I have found over the years is progressives resort to personal attacks when they cannot make a legitimate point. Have a nice day!
Report Post »DashRipRock
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 7:12amA Conservative Libertarian
Is someone who smokes grass
but is too stingy to share.
Report Post »Sinista Mace
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 3:03pmCashlessZiplock
You live, you die.
You smoke, you buy.
Report Post »Diane TX
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 4:34amBarry was born in Hawaii. That’s a fact. His Black father and grandfather were Muslims, as was his step-father. He attended a Muslim school as a child in Indonesia – that is a fact. His White grandparents believed in Communism – that is a fact. I’m not sure what his mother believed in, except that it’s known that she once posed nude.
When Barry was a student in California, he was a Marxist. He was awaiting the revolution of the working class to destroy the system of Capitalism. He saw Reagan’s election after Carter, as a minor set-back in the revolution.
Now you should know that Barry lived a privileged life. He attended an expensive boy’s prep school in his teens. He attended Ivy League colleges as a young adult. Even with all that, he abused crack cocaine and smoked cigarettes – probably because he has an addictive personality. He never felt the need to serve in any arm of the armed forces, and has no idea of how to pronounce “corpsman” or “Orion” for that matter.
His only purpose in life was to advance the revolution to destroy the evil system of Capitalism. He is why we are not drilling for our own oil. He is why growth of the economy has stopped. If Obama Care is not confirm as unconstitutional, it will crush Capitalism.
Report Post »ExpertShot
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 8:34amAMEN Diane. I believe he’s been “groomed” for a very long time by the marxists/communists, his rise in the political world didn’t happen organically…listen to the guy speak without a teleprompter (other than talking about himself, which narcissists are very good at doing). He is in NO WAY Ivy League material, I think quite a few strings were pulled & favors granted to get him in the door.
Report Post »Fred-Dayton
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 10:34amProbably born in Hawaii- but not a fact. The document (COLB) released in 2008 (and the only one released to date) was at the time issued to those not born in Hawaii. Not that the following scenario is true but here is how it could have happened. Grandparents in Hawaii self report the birth generating a public record which then results in newspaper announcements and eventual release of the COLB document. Governor Abercromie said he was going to end this once and for all and prove Hawaii birth and then backed off after searching for a hospital birth certificate. The president has spent a lot of campaign money and more recently tax dollars to end court cases requesting release of the complete birth certificate – why? It is enough to make one want to QUESTION BOLDLY as I heard someone on TV say. Same goes for college records and shortage of college friends writing books about “I knew him when.”
Report Post »Sensco
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 11:02amHis dad was Muslim, not black. Big difference. I’m more black than him, and both of my parents are white.
Report Post »Tnredneck
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 4:12amLong before I even heard of glen beck I’ve been saying what he says now. So it‘s nothing new to meany body that can’t see the perfect storm is blind. And as a scientist and engineer all this
Report Post »Inside job stuff about Katrina and 9/11 is nonsense. Though I agree with Ron Paul on nearly every thing he says he is not electable. Put him in a bigger more handsome body and he would have a good chance as looks for the majority is a must for some reason. Women won‘t vote for a runt like Paul and it’s a shame but that’s the way it is. Ross Perot is a good example and look where that got us….
Diane TX
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 4:42amRon Paul will never be President because he is a fringe candidate. So what if all his supporters show up for a straw vote so that he can win? It means nothing except that the House was packed with his supporters.
Report Post »Sinista Mace
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 4:47amThat’s the point entirely.
You hit it on the head.
They used to, and still do, call us crazy loons for this stuff.
Glenn Beck is a noob to this conspiracy theory stuff, and he doesn’t go all the way.
He is the epitome of coitus interruptus.
As a scientist, engineer, physicist, astronomer, biologist, and general jack of all trades, master of many, I’m convinced 9-11 AND Katrina was an inside job.
Anybody saying steel can melt from jet fuel and a building hit by a plane can collapse at freefall speed into its own footprint without a controlled demolition is nonsense.
Anybody saying a hurricane increases in strength after landfall is nonsense.
I would love for Ron Paul bashers to actually articulate all the “evidence” that Ron Paul is just “not electable”.
I don’t know what the hell a bigger more handsome body has to do with it. People voting on looks need to be placed in a stockade on the White House lawn in wintertime.
Ron Paul is nowhere NEAR a Ross Perot.
Ross Perot didn’t come close because he lost much of his support when he temporarily withdrew from the election, only to declare himself a candidate again soon after.
He also supported an expansion of the war on drugs and advocated the EPA.
I think you‘re disrespecting women to suggest that they’re too shallow to vote on substance and not looks.
Report Post »spikebu
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 6:24amI think you are disrespecting men to suggest only women would be voting on looks. Men can be shallow, too (read your own comment). Why won’t Ron Paul be President? Because people like you support him. Vociferously. I like Ron Paul. Your group (Alex Jones ists) makes him look like a nut. Thanks! Why don’t you guys suggest Charlie Sheen? Focus on him. That would be good.
Report Post »Sinista Mace
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 6:45amDiane,
It means he has a genuine following as evidenced by his money bomb, and his win at CPAC.
Report Post »spikebu
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 6:58amAlex Jones goes to the extreme. That’s where the nut comes in. The thanks was sarcastic. Charlie Sheen is an innocuous personality you nut jobs can focus your energy on. Leave Ron Paul alone! Quit tainting him.
Report Post »spikebu
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 7:07amSorry, Mace. Much as I’m enjoying this, it’s 5am here. I still have to work. Catch you on the flip side!
Report Post »drago
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 7:51amWow mace, calling Beck a “noob”, really? Once again you show your age, my guess is between 15 and 18, since noob is used by kids on online games to describe someone new to the game.
Report Post »Nice try again kid, now move along before you miss the bus to school…..
Sinista Mace
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 7:57amRotfl
If the shoe fits, then hey.
Beck is a n00b pwned by Jones.
Proven.
Try again, Drag hole.
I call em like I see em.
Report Post »drago
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 8:13amAwe, mace, your losing it, i was giving you the benefit of the doubt saying you were between the ages of 15 and 18, i retract that, you must be 12.Now move along kiddo, nothing to see here.
Report Post »Sinista Mace
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 8:30amYou have done nothing to assuage my opinion, Draghole.
Your comments have amounted to so much drizzle against a lighthouse.
Express your opinion to somebody that cares.
Have a nice day.
Report Post »Sinista Mace
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 8:34amI’m an organic artificial intelligence.
I don‘t HAVE TO sleep if I don’t WANT to…
Besides, tired, high, I’m still sharper than the knives in this drawer.
Report Post »drago
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 8:41amWhats the matter mace, i get under your thin ******* skin a little bit? For someone calling others a troll on here, you sure have been quit busy trolling quite a few websites, including gaming websites over the years, such a pathetic little creature you are, now move along kid, your not wanted here.
Report Post »cece959
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 10:12am@Sinistamace – “People voting on looks need to be placed in a stockade on the White House lawn in wintertime.”
People voted for Obama based solely on the fact that he was young, handsome, articulate and black. I do hope the White House lawn has enough space for all of the *enlightened voters* who voted for someone with no business experience whatsoever.
Report Post »Sinista Mace
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 1:54pmcece959
People have run that garbage into the GROUND as far as I’m concerned.
Obama was elected by an overwhelming majority of WHITE PEOPLE.
Every black person who voted for Obama didn’t vote for him because he is young handsome and black.
I would personally disagree that he is handsome.
I’m sure you would love a scapegoat, but he deceived more “enlightened”, pardon the pun, white people than he did black people.
Report Post »Alliett
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 3:19amThank you Glenn,
Report Post »I deeply appreciate you being passionate about spreading the word. Not a soul around me seems to notice; it’s alarming, but if you are continued freedom of speech for a while longer there still may be hope for the blind.
dresden87
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 2:50amhttp://www.businessinsider.com/for-the-first-time-ever-glenn-beck-drops-to-fifth-place-at-fox-news-2011-2
Report Post »Bob_R_OathKeeper
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 3:34amWhat a filthy liberal commie site, you and that site should be deleted.
Report Post »felina g
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 8:08amDo these stat`s reflect DVR`s and places where you can watch his show like “watchbeck” ? He has a strange time slot. Was wondering how they come up with the stat`s as I don`t trust ANY stat`s anymore.
Glenn also has his radio program and reaches millions on a daily basis. I don`t know how he keeps it together with that heavy of a load. Thanks to all of his staff, contributors, investigators. He is one of the rare few in the media with integrity that tackles the really hard stuff which is never black and white.
I ALWAYS look to INTENTION first. Glenn calls it as he sees it from day to day. I respect his intentions and consider him a kindred spirit on the path.
Thanks, Buddy !
Report Post »ZeitgeistBuster
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 8:13amHappy Birthday DRESDEN87.
Hate to break this to you, but Glenn’s numbers dropped dramatically when he started talking about impending financial implosion in 2007. When it happened, the people who didn’t want to hear that “negative” stuff came back in droves for answers about what the collapse meant.
So you can hope for a sustained downward trend… but history is not on your side bud.
Glenn’s setbacks are like cocking a gun… they are just preludes to the next amazing leap forward.
Report Post »Oil_Robb
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 10:43am@MACE…….score board baby…..midterms were just the start…..we are taking our country back
Report Post »Sinista Mace
Posted on February 27, 2011 at 3:51amOil_Robb…Thank God for Patriots.
Report Post »sleazyhippo
Posted on February 28, 2011 at 10:48amMany independent viewers are simply tiring of the chalkboard and the high rhetoric, which has been notably higher of late. And Beck is not the phenom he was a year ago, merely by dint of the country becoming more familiar with him. Then there was a lot of hard news happening this year. Glenn Beck is many things but he is not hard news. Sometimes it’s nice to be told the world is not ending.
Report Post »ICANHANDLETHETRUTH
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 2:22amBeck, keep up the good work,no one else will expose these clowns. You are the only one that actually explains things and has the video or audio to back it up.Thanks
Report Post »Sinista Mace
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 2:18amPractice what YOU preach, Beck.
spikebu
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 2:42amHe does, Mace. Maybe you should look into it.
Report Post »Sinista Mace
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 2:46amYea, right. He doesn’t.
I still remember what he said about those 9-11 victims’ families and the katrina victims.
I remember what he said about Ron Paul followers too. He called us dangerous.
Report Post »walkwithme1966
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 3:18amI went back for 2 years of Beck shows and he has predicted this “perfect storm” happening many times when it did not come true – so I will believe Beck when I see his predictions coming true!
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Posted on February 26, 2011 at 3:20amBeck also said he agreed with the idea of the first “stimulus” legislation until he looked into it and, 3 days later, reversed his opinion on it.
And what about Katrina? Glenn was talking about the pigs at the trough:
“Let me be real honest with you. … Yesterday, when I saw the ATM cards being handed out, the $2,000 ATM cards, and they were being handed out at the Astrodome. And they actually had to close the Astrodome and seal it off for a while because there was a near-riot trying to get to these ATM cards. My first thought was, it‘s not like they’re going to run out of the $2,000 ATM cards. You can wait! You know, stand in line. … We’re not hearing anything about Mississippi. We’re not hearing anything about Alabama. We’re hearing about the victims in New Orleans. This is a 90,000-square-mile disaster site, New Orleans is 181 square miles. … 0.2 percent of the disaster area is New Orleans! And that‘s all we’re hearing about, are the people in New Orleans. Those are the only ones we’re seeing on television are the scumbags … ” -transcript from Mediamatters (so your milage may vary)
So what’s your point here (I mean, while you are staying on topic)?
Report Post »Alliett
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 3:25amThere is something thats not right about Ron Paul, I havn’t put my finger on it yet?
Report Post »Anyway SINISTA MACE, may God have mercy on your soul.
Sinista Mace
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 3:38amI show mercy, so mercy will be shown.
I haven’t heard Beck reverse his opinion on those people in Katrina, nor the families of 9-11 victims (myself included) who believe it was an inside job.
spikebu
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 3:46amAs I said, maybe YOU should look into it. Right now, you sound like a parrot. Do your own research. Listen to or watch all of it instead of isolated clips. I believe you Beck haters would call him a liar if he said the sky was blue and a racist if he said milk was white.
Report Post »Sinista Mace
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 3:58amWhat have I “parroted”?
I have the intellect to draw my own conclusions based on the information presented.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 3:58amIn some ways Glenn Beck is God-like. I truly believe that Glenn is either a Profit, whose words are directly those of the Lord God spoketh through Glenn, or one of the Chosen Ones spoken of in Revelations. I’m not sure which.
But I know this. The Lord God saith: You will chase your enemies, and they shall fall by the sword before you. Five of you shall chase a hundred, and a hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight; your enemies shall fall by the sword before you. For I will look on you favorably and make you fruitful, multiply you and confirm My covenant with you. You shall eat the old harvest, and clear out the old because of the new.
Leviticus, Chapter 26, verses 7-9.
That is what Glenn has spoketh.
1st a Father
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 4:36amI recall that when Glenn talked about the perfect storm, he wasn’t sure when it would come. Now is the first time he claimed that it is upon us. I agree with Glenn. From my view, the storm has begun and is building in strength. Get your lives in order. Only God can say us from this horrific hurricane. Just don’t loose hope through it all, even the righteous will not be fully protected from this storm. It will take great sacrifice on our part in order to benefit of our posterity.
Report Post »ransto62
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 5:43amYEAH I SEE WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT SINISTA…..YOUR TITLE SAY’S IT ALL…….why should anybody take account anything you post….blah, blah, blah….shouldn’t you be on some leftie site some where like MOVEON.COM
Report Post »BehindBlueEyes
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 5:49am@jzs, 1966, Mace
You people are a bunch of blowhards. No specifics, and no details to support your mindless claims. Why don’t you try to come up with specifics so we can all be enlighten with your “wisdom”.
Report Post »We need real debate here with facts. Not the garbage you and other trolls spew.
Remember – Wisdom is found only in truth.
Sinista Mace
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 5:55amransto62
That’s so funny, man.
So, so funny.
I’ve had this name for a number of years, my friend.
I didn’t create this name in order to come on the Blaze and destroy trolls like you.
If it makes some sort of abstract sense to you, then please elaborate, because nobody else knows what the hell you’re inferring and implying.
You sound exactly like the rest of the trolls here who can’t stand for me to have an opinion.
The first thing y’all want to say is “You’re a Leftie! Go to Huff-a-Ton Boast or Pediatric Patters!“ or ”He’s a right wing, capitalism hating, Federal Reserve paranoid Ron Paul whacko!” whenever I don’t toe the line for you neocons.
It‘s a stale dance and it’s not getting any fresher.
Report Post »cykonas
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 6:11amInteresting link Sinista. Thank you for posting it.
Report Post »BehindBlueEyes
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 7:13am@Sinista Mace
Report Post »I went to the link you provided and I can’t understand why you sent me there. I watched the video for 8 mins and it was nothing but this guy claiming he has rights to stories he’s done on history. I also made the ridiculous statement that Glenn will often have guests he first had on his show. How stupid is that?
The impression I got from this guy (your source for discrediting Glenn) is that he’s a cry baby and claims that anything he utters is his proprietary information and can not be used in any form or variation by any other human being.
Thanks for more usless information. Like you say – Try again
BehindBlueEyes
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 7:23am@Sinista Mace
SMALL CORRECTION IN MY LAST POST (changed I to He)
I went to the link you provided and I can’t understand why you sent me there. I watched the video for 8 mins and it was nothing but this guy claiming he has rights to stories he’s done on history. He also made the ridiculous statement that Glenn will often have guests he first had on his show. How stupid is that?
The impression I got from this guy (your source for discrediting Glenn) is that he’s a cry baby and claims that anything he utters is his proprietary information and can not be used in any form or variation by any other human being.
Thanks for more usless information. Like you say – Try again
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Report Post »Sinista Mace
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 7:26amI see, BehindBlueEyes.
You‘re simply oppositionally defiant and deliberately ignoring the examples Alex Jones articulated describing how Beck is simply a neocon shill who doesn’t tell the entire truth about the New World Order conspiracy, all in an attempt to lead truth seekers astray by mixing LIES with the truth articulated FIRST by Alex Jones and subsequently assimilated by Beck.
You apparently don’t have the patience to watch a 15 minute video and are eager to shut off your own brain and resort back to groupthink.
Try actually watching the entire video and not 8 minutes of it and actually come back with something intelligent to say with the entire context in mind.
Report Post »BehindBlueEyes
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 7:35am@Sinista Mace
Report Post »Sorry but 8 mins told the whole story about this guy. I couldn’t continue to listen, he destroyed himself in less than 8 mins.
I’ll file your last post in the useless information folder (trash bin) too.
Enjoy the rest of your miserable life. :)
Gonzo
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 7:36amSISTA MACE
“I didn’t create this name in order to come on the Blaze and destroy trolls like you.”
The only thing you’ve destroyed on here is your own credibility. If you ever wanted to change people’s minds or get people to look at things from your point of view, you’ve lost your chance because of your attitude.
Nobody clicks the links you put up, because nobody cares what you think anymore. The way you present yourself is no better than the way the obnoxious, progressive, left presents itself .
morticeman1
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 8:09amSinista,
Don’t agree with most of your postions, esp the “inside job” BS however–
Do agree that Glenn B isn’t God like, don‘t believe he’s a preacher either.
Think he’s a fellow, just like us that is right sometimes and wrong sometime – as you know, if prophet got it wrong – he was killed.
Report Post »I believe, right or wrong, he is telling what he thinks is true; he does admit he makes mistakes.
We all have to discern what we consider good and evil – both do exist on Earth.
At the end, every knee will bow and tongue confess that Jesus is the Lord. Good to know the “end” and he is in control.
All this other “stuff” doesn’t really matter.
Boojer56
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 8:11amSo you are a follower of prison planet? That explains alot. Beck was on target in the prediction about the economy collapse,the collapse overseas,.the riots and the puppet master. The left has been infuriated with Beck because he exposed the one world government.
Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 8:14am@Sinista mace
Indeed Beck does practice exactly what he preaches. That anyone can respect even in their worst of enemies and friends.
Report Post »ExpertShot
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 8:17amWasn’t Alex Jones the guy Charlie Sheen called during his delusional, disorganized rant? And Alex Jones could do nothing but laugh at him & actually put him on the air so he could embarrass himself? Yeah, I have a lot of respect & confidence in a guy like that.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 8:21am@Sinista mace
I shall make this very easy to understand; in all the time I have been listening to Beck and watching of his show, NOT ONCE has he claimed to be a prophet of God, or to speak the word of the Almighty as His Prophets have.
He is honest in relying and living the faith he holds to, and with his predictions he always adds that he (Beck the man) prays to be wrong, and admits the timing of his events are what are usually off, in the occurance happening faster than expected.
He is not a false prophet, in that he never has declared a “Thus say the Lord…” statement, so your claims are bearing of false witness unto a true man, and for that be cautioned that the Lord indeed will take care of His own.
Beck is not a prophet, he IS a God inspired and God driven man who is in the right place at the right time for the work the Lord will have him do…as are all of us who wish to follow the path God has laid out before us.
Report Post »Uncle Crusty
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 9:09ammace you are a putz, and you are clueless as usual, I expect nothing different from you….
turn over any rock, and there is a problem, I know, I’ve turned them all over, and from what I see in the tea leaves is a very sobering future for us!
If you’ve not been preparing, the window is slamming shut now! If you think you dont have to prepare because you think everything will work out, then I will say to you now — you will not make it! Sorry for the harshness, but that is the bottom line. Even though I am prepared, better than most of you here, I probably won’t even make it. So to all of you how laugh in the face of this, laugh hard now, you wont be laughing later. And for those that have no belief in Jesus Christ, I will pray hard for your souls to get turned around, because HE is the ONLY saviour! God Bless America!
rgranger
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 9:22amSINISTA MACE:
Report Post »Have you followed the crime rates in Houston after Katrina? My quite neighborhood went Hud for them, car break-ins and vandalism went through the roof! The neighborhood across the street, had it’s first murders in 30 years. These were not the cream of the crop, they didn’t come here and learn to steal. You should have heard about the un-reported stuff going on at the Dome, the cops were afraid to go in!
VTPatriot44
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 9:51amI’ve seen you put down Alex Jones as fraud, say Beck was no better than him, yet you repeated link to Prison Planet, a web site created by Alex Jones. You have no credibility and shold be ignored.
Report Post »cece959
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 9:58amJust what does he preach that he also does not do? Does he go out and tell everyone that we need to be civil…..and then say nothing when his own party is protesting, holding up vulgar signs? Oh, and show me where that has happened with the Tea Party (please provide a link, if you can).
Report Post »Fred-Dayton
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 10:02amRE: 911 Victims. Yes there were lots of people who needed help after 911. The way the government handled this was to differentiate between those who had prepared for their possible death with adequate life insurance and those who had not. If you prepared you got less from the government for having taken personal responsibility for your family’s welfare. If you expected the government to take care of you, you got your wish and got more money from the government. We need to consider how our tax dollars are being doled out. “I can make bad or inadequate life choices and I will be bailed out” (like banks, auto makers,and in the case of 911 – individuals)
Report Post »RE: Katrina. The issue is the entitlement mentality. “I have government help owed to me” Yes – when there is a natural disaster there is a role for government using taxpayer money to help. Who asked the question of what personal responsibility did the victims take in being prepared for a loss of property versus expecting the government to arrive with taxpayer dollars to give them. Consider the example of taxpayer subsidized flood insurance for those who chose to live in a flood plain, especially AFTER a flood has ravaged them once. Personal choices should be accompanied by personal responsibility. Why our tax dollars? The Katrina response was great from churches and many private businesses (such as Walmart) and dismal by the federal government – there is clue here about how our tax dollars are spent. The entitlement mentality is best captured by the hundreds of free pizzas sent to the superdome and victims who were caught on video complaining about the toppings not being what they wanted.
glennisright.com
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 10:08amGee, why would we think someone named Sinista could be dangerous?
Report Post »Kisha
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 11:05amTroll…
Report Post »poetopoet
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 11:07amRed, white and blue over the fact that not one local Hawaii High School student, friend, teacher, doctor, nurse, any HOSPITAL, hospital worker, b lack or white racist has ever admitted and come forward to acknowledge Obama’s delivery birth or place, is outstanding. And the fact no one has seen or witnessed his alleged mother pregnant in 1961 in Hawaii; is proof that only his grandmother from Kenya may be right: “Obama was born in Kenya” (not Hawaii) she witnessed it and she is not in question as a witness confirming Obama’s birth place and country. Evident in 2010, by Tim Adams, the former Chief Elections Clerk in Hawaii in 2008 has stated: “There is NO long form Birth Certificate for Obama recorded born in Hawaii.”
But wait, the new demon-crap governor of Hawaii just remembered what happened fifty years ago and guess what he had to retract his fairy tale of delusions, why Barry/Barack appeared in Seattle Washington at one month old (fact), by the way of and coming from?
As a matter course, when the r ape of girl seventeen by an African man twenty-five, that has evolved to this, America and all of America needs the truth, not a privileged few that say they may have read or saw something? This issue victimizes all Americans, not just exposes Obama/Soetoro’s dirty family secrets and the shame they brought on all of America is a shame.
Report Post »heavyduty
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 11:17amMace, we are dangerous. We have a mind of our own, and we are able to use it. Besides Beck tells us almost everyday to do the research for ourselves. He just gives us information to check out for ourselves. So I can‘t see what you’re beef is with Beck. I sure don‘t see O’Donnell or CBS, NBC, or any of the other medias telling us that now. DO YOU!!! Do you’re own research and figure things out for yourself. Don‘t just make wise cracks about someone that you don’t agree with. That makes you sound like a Demo.
PubliusPencilman
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 11:57amOh come on. Haven’t you folks gotten tired of all these teary-eyed gobbledy-****. Perfect Storm? Tipping Point? Refiner’s fire? Does this guy have a political view that can’t be reduced to some goofy cliche?
Yes. Stand by your principles and what you believe in, unless you disagree with Beck. That would make you an enemy of America.
Report Post »rc30
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 12:20pmAJ is a show boat. What ever he can do to rise his ratings. My wife checks on what Glenn has said for a year and a half. She has try to disprove him. She can’t and scare the hell out of us. Glenn Beck is not trying to prove anything. Hes trying to save this great country. Like he said check it out for your self. You will find that hes just trying to help. Wake up work together to stop this great evil coming. Or you can keep trying to prove AJ is more right then Glenn. Who cares as long as they both try for the truth. Sounds like AJ just mad because of Glenn sucess.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 1:13pmWhen taken as a whole I find the comments very interesting. There is not much room for many to share opposing views and ideas apparently. People from both the right and the left attacking those they think are wrong on the other side. Although I do not necessarily believe that there is quite as organized of a level of coordination as some about the events worldwide being orchestrated by a NWO group. There are some facts that should give pause to everyone. FACT: there is a group of wealthy influential people who meet regularly to discuss how to influence international policy ( this is incontrovertible). FACT: these groups have as members the mega-wealthy of the world and politicians of great influence from all over the globe (incontrovertible). FACT: These people have openly stated that they want global governance and are working tirelessly towards that goal (incontrovertible). These FACTS should make any freedom loving person stand up and take notice and at the least be suspicious of these groups. JFK spoke of how repugnant secret societies and groups are and the damage they can cause (and no he was not speak of communism, he specifically stated secret societies not governments). Now do I believe GB is sincere in what he believes: YES. Do I believe he is right all the time: NO (even he doesn’t believe that, nor is anyone including liberal pundits right all the time even though they think they are). Is he right about many things: YES (historically his timing may be off but many events he has been concerned about have occurred this is a FACT that can be established easily). Is he infallible: NO (that is ridiculous). Is he passionate about what he believes: YES (those who want to make fun of him about this are disingenuous and mocking because liberals like CM and KO are just as passionate it does not discredit his views in any way). Is GB an invaluable asset to the national discourse on issues: YES (to try to silence his opinions is to ignore reason, if his information is false then let it be discovered if it is true then let it shine bright). All those who think they have cornered the market on reason and truth may do well to remember that truth is found sometimes in the most unlikely of places not because it is hidden but because our pride blinds us to it’s location !!!!
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 1:48pmI should also mention how nicely Beck politicizes his faith. If a Reformed Jew did that, they’d be just as bad as an Islamic terrorist!
WatchtheOtherHand,
Your incontrovertable facts are so incredibly vague that they are only incontrovertable because they are entirely meaningless. Are there wealthy people who talk about global governance? Yes. But of course, “global governance” has many meanings and many degrees, from trade regimes to the UN. If you think anything short of absolute sovereignty of the nation-state constitutes global governance then yes, no one would deny that this is happening, and has been going on since the early days of Papal supremacy, and has gone through many forms since. Does this make the European Union evil? No, and to suggest so is just stupid (not to say you are suggesting this, but certainly many here do).
And speaking of the Church–did you know that there are a group of people who meet regularly (at least every Sunday) to talk about how they can bring about the End Times? And yet society still functions! Beck‘s problem isn’t that he is lying about what he says people are talking about–it’s that he puts undue weight on the craziest conspiracy theories, which he claims are proven by incredibly obvious observations, like the fact that both Islamic Fundamentalists and Socialist dislike the status quo. He then uses these crazy conspiracies to slander large groups of people (Muslims, pro-democracy Egyptions, progressives, etc.).
So, to answer one of your last questions: “Is GB an invaluable asset to the national discourse on issues.” No. Why? Because Beck (along with plenty of other talking heads on the left and the right) refuse to engage in the kind of open and reasonable debate and compromise that our government is based on. Instead, he insists on villifying those who disagree with him, and insists on attacking anyone who is not an ideologically pure Conservative. He is, quite frankly, the kind of vitriolic demagogue that the Founding Fathers warned against.
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 5:52pmWhere do you find the time to write these long responses?
The Bilderberg thing just confirms my point. Yes, it exists, but so do a lot of different organizations, some of which invovle influential people and political elites. And by the way, it is amazingly naive to think that there are no political elites who are looking forward to the End Times.
I can answer your second post very easily, since it’s based on the false premise that this country was ever originally meant to be one thing, as if there were no disagreements or debates among the founders–no conflicting viewpoints. You reduce a whole constellation of issues and compromises to one fundamentalist message, and in that way you arrogantly claim the right to define what this country is about. Let’s face it–the founders were only human, and somewhat limited by their times. Did they envision a national Health care system? No. But then again, they didn;t even know what germs are (at that time people still believed in the spontaneous generation theory). Needless to say, most of them (even the ones against slavery) believed blacks to be inherently inferior.
Many did, however, envision a public welfare system. In fact, there was already one is place. In “Notes on the State of Virginia,” Jefferson explains that every state has provisions in place to support the poor. He brags: “I never yet saw a native American begging in the streets or highways. A subsistence is easily gained here: and if, by misfortunes, they are thrown on the charities of the world, those provided by their own country are so comfortable and so certain, that they never think of relinquishing them to become strolling beggars.”
So, in conclusion, this is not a matter of me being defensive about the desire to fundamentally change a flawed country. I reject the premise outright, and I reject your claim to have a monopoly on what America means.
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Posted on February 26, 2011 at 6:25pm@ PPMAN…….I have no life !!!!! Actually I am constantly reading and studying and just keep this on next to me. I think you totally glossed over my points about what the stated agenda is of the most influential group of internationalists on the planet. If you study you will see they are not religious in any way shape or form and to assert that some religious few, wealthy or not, can be on even par with this group convinces me that you have not researched this topic at all. They cannot even begin to approach the power or influence of the members of the Bilderberg group and to assert that idea reveals a lack of knowledge on the issue. Read up on their membership and combined wealth and what governments and corporations are in their control. Then talk with me.
The founders most certainly did follow some guiding principles about freedom my friend and to suggest they were ignorant of banking, government, and business principles is to deny the success of the very nation they founded. No doubt there was varying opinion on a whole host of matters but there was agreement on a whole host as well and if you think they did not intend for a capitalistic society you better go back to elementary school. This capitalistic philosophy is what many want to see changed and are seeing changed to some degree. It is not what I say is right or wrong so therefore cannot be arrogant on my part. I am simply factual stating the case and pointing out that your assessment is based on your preferences of what should and should not be considered transformation. Again, if you believe capitalism to be flawed then state so proudly and don’t be ashamed of wanting to see it changed. We can debate why you would be wrong on that aspect later (lol) But I am stating historical fact that I think you would be hard pressed to convince any high school history teacher otherwise. It is not false to assert that this country was meant to be something. The D of I states that it was meant to be something. A nation governed of the people for the people and by the people, of which freedom is it’s sonnet song. That is a FACT. It is not my bias at all. One where the balance of power would NOT be concentrated centrally but have many checks and balances. Their philosophy was that local governments would better govern their communities rather than strong centralized forms. This is historic FACT PPMAN you may not like it, you may disagree with their beliefs, but it doesn’t change the fact that it is historically accurate. So I am not being arrogant at all simply truthful and accurate……………Forgive my length again
Side note: I think you know what truly constitutes historically based fact and what does not and I think upon review you would have to agree that this country was historically meant to be a land of liberty as they were declaring independence from Britain. I find you to be a reasonable person and I enjoy the back and forth. But I think you could make stronger arguments than the areas you have chosen to emphasize because I can easily prove that I am stating factual information on these historical accounts.
PubliusPencilman
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 6:53pmAlright, I’ll bite. The problem is your understanding of capitalism is inveriably presentist. While classical economic liberalism was around at the time, it is absurd to assume that all or even most of the founders supported anything we would recognize as laissez-faire economics or market fundamentalism. It was, after all, Hamilton who created the first national bank. Take a look at this letter from Jefferson:
http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch15s32.html
I’ll just point out that he promotes legislative solutions to economic inequality and a progressive tax system in which the poor are not taxed at all! And this was the guy so opposed to Hamilton’s bank!
You claim to do so much research, yet you’ve already made up your mind as to what you will find. That, my friend, makes all taht research quite useless.
But to the point of what America means. So the D of I (as you call it) sets out a set of principle, one of which is liberty. So we win the Revolution, and the Articles of Confederation are set up. That government doesn’t quite work, so the Constitutional Convention creates a new Constitution. Now, according to your understanding of an single unchanging absolute standard of Americanness, one of these governments must be less American than the other, right? Since you seem to think that centralized power of any kind is unconstitutional, then one could assume that our current Constitution is less American than the Articles of Confederation, right?
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Posted on February 26, 2011 at 7:43pm@ PPMAN….I am sure others are sick of our back and forth (lol). Did I say any form of centralized government was unconstitutional? I am pretty sure I did not….Let’s evaluate what Thomas Jefferson thought about centralized governments since you want to use his letter.
The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive.
An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned – this is the sum of good government.
Dependence begets subservience and venality, suffocates the germ of virtue, and prepares fit tools for the designs of ambition.
Educate and inform the whole mass of the people… They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.
Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves are its only safe depositories.
experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
I have no fear that the result of our experiment will be that men may be trusted to govern themselves without a master.
I own that I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive.
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.
Our country is now taking so steady a course as to show by what road it will pass to destruction, to wit: by consolidation of power first, and then corruption, its necessary consequence.
I think you will see if you actually read these quotes Jefferson’s views on government and dislike of a strong central government. Of course their were liberal economic proponents around. But I think you understand that all of history and the world currently states that we have been and are CAPITALISTIC since our inception. It is not my opinion. I think you are finding yourself in quite the small little lonely minority if you continue to assert that we were not or are not. And providing a letter compared to the vast documents that I could produce from Thomas Payne, to the Federalist papers, to official government articles and documents I think would wash away your assertions in a flood of factual information. Now if you wanted to debate the merits of capitalism there you go we could and it would be my assertion against yours, but if you refuse to accept factual information about the foundation of this country and what laws governed it from its inception then we will have difficulty moving forward. I think anyone following these post sees fully why you are reluctant to accept historical fact (I would be to if I argued your position). It does place you in the position of admitting that your position does indeed desire a fundamental transformation. Knowing that many people would not be sympathetic to that approach it behooves you to maneuver the issue around the topic of transformation by attempting to alter and re-interpret the story told by history. Interesting that your information doesn’t seem to be the versions I read in the history books or other formats. No doubt you can list an obscure name here or there or reference an obscure letter her or there, but to view history accurately with regard to our topic you have to develop a “bigger picture” approach to determine what the general mood and beliefs of a given time was and you are rather pointing to obscurities and then hailing them as the consensus of the time. That is a fallacious interpretation of history more than likely to place history in a light that better suits your position. I enjoy the back and forth and I enjoy debating with you. We obviously approach things from different worldviews. I don’t want you to think I am antagonistic toward you at all. We have had some productive and I hope challenging debates in the past that sift and test both of our evaluations of the “facts” as well. Hopefully we will in the future as well. Seeing how this is obviously my only joy in life (lol). I appreciate your ability to debate back and forth without ad hominems as well, it is a testament to your character.
Report Post »DisillusionedDaily
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 7:51pmGlenn Beck is an entertainer, a commentator and not a reporter, a prophet, an oracle or a seer. The things he says are his own thoughts based on whatever research he has done. I listen to Beck, but I also listen to other points of view and do my own research. I respect his opinions and beliefs for what they are, his opinions and beliefs. I have no reason to think that Beck is trying to decieve anyone.
Has anyone other than myself noticed that in most of the photos of Obama published by the AP the background gives the appearence of a halo? Jus’ wonderin”!
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 8:51pm“Of course their were liberal economic proponents around. But I think you understand that all of history and the world currently states that we have been and are CAPITALISTIC since our inception.”
Oh WatchtheOtherHand, you’ve really stepped in it. Another symptom of your presentism, seen in your insistence that what you in 2011 call “capitalism” must necessarily be what the founders believed in, is that you don’t actually know what liberalism (and specifically “classical” liberalism) is. When I say “liberalism” in the context of our historical debate, you automatically assume I mean something like what you would call a liberal in 2011. That‘s because you don’t seem to have any real concept of how the meanings of words and concepts change over a 230 year span. This is precisely why all the facts you keep running on and on about make no sense. For example, it is a FACT that Adam Smith and Nancy Pelosi are both “liberals,” but that label means a different thing when applied to each. At the same time, when you claim that Thomas Paine promoted “capitalism,” but his capitalism is in opposition to mercantilism, not socialism–what he was talking about and what you are talking about are different things.
Your history is sloppy, and you apply definitions retroactively to the founders that are not accurate in their time. So please, quit all the carrying on about how many books you read and how much research you’ve done–it‘s all for nothing if you don’t pay attention.
And thank you for the Jefferson quotes. It just goes to confirm what I’ve said–the founders did not always agree, nor were they always entirely consistant themselves!
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 9:15pm@ PPMAN…………..How do you know what I meant when I said liberal economic proponents. I didn’t define what I meant but simply repeated what you wrote so I stepped in nothing my friend (lol). I did not assume anything about what you meant when you stated liberal economic proponents because you did not define what you meant. That said it didn’t matter what you meant because I was simply acknowledging that different ideas existed at that time. Secondly, do you really think that little of my reasoning and intelligence that I think “liberalism” then and now is the same? ( thought you gave me more credit than that :() I also have not gone on and on about all I have read and researched. I simply have provided the background for my comments. I am not sure where you have derived your opinions of me except to say, if that is how you have evaluated me and my comments in the present I am not surprised at the troubles you have properly interpreting the past. Are you denying that America has long been considered by the other nations of the world as capitalistic past and present? And it makes no matter what Payne argued against only what he argued for !!!!!! Capitalism. I think you are trying to divert from more of the main topics of our debate because there is not much sure footing for your position (not meant to be belligerent). You have failed in your assertions to provide factual information that is both accurate and substantive as to why my statement that we are/have been capitalistic is erroneous. So my question is: Do you disagree that the rest of the world would classify us as a capitalistic nation both past and present?
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 9:39pmPPMAN…………Of course since you seem to want to split hairs. My ideas that I espouse to you now would have been considered liberal in those days of the past. Meaning that I was liberal because I did not want the typical government of the day. I would have argued for the limited government etc. When you used the term it was used as an antithetical to my positions so I am not sure what your point was of thinking I stepped in something. To help you make a point that I would have respected you could have argued that Paine was in favor of income guarantee from the government and with that I would have agreed to the point that he actually devised that to be distributed at an early age as a means to help ensure independent survival. However, I usually refrain from trying to help my opponent when they are struggling. But I do like you so there it is your best argument against me using Thomas Paine who still classical was in favor of a free market society.
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Posted on February 26, 2011 at 9:42pm@ PPMAN…………I certainly respect you. Your are not a dummy and I admire your entering into the fray with me in the manner in which you have. I think we will just have to agree to disagree on this hopefully with a mutual respect for one another.
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Posted on February 26, 2011 at 9:59pm@ PPMAN……….Paine idea of a free market was only in contrast to mine in that his idea of a guaranteed income called agrarian justice was central to him and would not be to me in the same capacity as he intended. This truly was your best argument against me using Paine. However, he is by no means the only one I could have used. There are many.
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Posted on February 26, 2011 at 10:01pmI understand people’s frustration with the seeming injustice of treating some victims differently than others during Katrina but as one who volunteered at the astrodome I can tell you it was not like what was being reported. Hundred of elderly, sick people who were in shock and couldn’t even get to the bathroom, the Norwalk virus was rampant, single mothers crying and desperate because they could not find their children and had no phones, scared, panicked people and there was very little in the way of organization to help these people except for the medical station where Dr.s and nurses were dropping like flies from illness. I won’t even begin with the lack of organization from the RC. The city of Houston and the people of Houston were incredibly generous in supplying clothing, and housing for these poor souls. And with like all disasters it takes a while for services to trickle down to the masses. The debit cards were justified to get people away from the dome and into housing and food before more chaos ensued. Sure there were a few gang members roaming around but most of the people were truly traumatized from what they had been through. As far as 9/11 I agree with you and when this reality finally takes hold in the consciousness of the country there will be so many other crisis’ happening that justice for that crime will have to wait until a later time.
PubliusPencilman
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 10:16pmWatchtheOtherHand,
I‘m well aware of Thomas Paine’s proposal for a garaunteed income, thank you. I thought it would be excessive and really beside the point to bring it up, but clearly you have no such reservations. Sorry, but not impressed.
And to answer your question (since I wouldn’t want to let it hang there): yes. The United States has been been considered on the whole a capitalist nation, but not always, and it has not always been considered the “most” capitalist. The United States throughout its history, like most European countries, has practiced protectionism to varying degrees. Early America’s heavily agrarian economy and its later industrialism meant that countries like Britain and the Netherlands were at the forefront of global capitalism and capitalist theory for quite some time. What this proves to you I do not know.
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Posted on February 26, 2011 at 10:18pm@ PPMAN……………
The term classical liberalism was applied in retrospect to distinguish earlier nineteenth-century liberalism from the newer social liberalism.[6] The phrase classical liberalism is also sometimes used to refer to all forms of liberalism before the twentieth century, and some conservatives and libertarians use the term classical liberalism to describe their belief in the primacy of economic freedom and minimal government. It is not always clear which meaning is intended.[7][8][9]
Tell me again what I stepped in?
Report Post »Since I am arguing that very point and you acknowledged that they were around my point is as solid as a rock. Of course they were around but I think more than being around you would have to agree their philosophy was what was instituted Capitalism. That is what I said and that is what I meant. I just realized what you thought was a misstep after reading your post again so that is the reason for this clarification.
watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 26, 2011 at 10:24pm@ PPMAN …..I detect some anger in the beginning of your last response and I certainly am not trying to make an enemy. Sometimes I have found that by typing comments and removing the ability to immediately clarify and the nuances of nonverbal communication, misunderstandings are easy and seem common. I was not trying to seem condescending and not really trying to impress you. If you would rather we can simply end it and consider you right in the debate. We certainly did meander off topic from where we started and I think we have sharpened each other. I appreciate your insights and wish you nothing but the best.
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Posted on February 26, 2011 at 10:48pm@ PPMAN……….to answer your last question that posted after my last post. By agreeing that we are capitalistic in form then those who would seek a socialistic or some type of hybrid of the 2 do want to fundamentally transform the foundations of what we have been. And even though I agree with the global capitalism we were still “domestically” capitalistic during the protectionist period in the sense that businesses and production was in the hands of private citizens. This then entails that those who seek to change what they see as the short comings of capitalism and the social injustice that ensues are on a fundamental level trying to transform the historical foundations of the USA which is what got this debate off and rollin’. OK I am done I promise unless you question me further and want an answer.
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Posted on February 26, 2011 at 10:58pmYou are still wrong about that, but it is late and I am going to bed. No hard feelings on either side. As I said, it’s debate, rather than the insistence that “America” is one unalterable thing, that keeps the Republic functioning.
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Posted on February 26, 2011 at 11:31pmsin-ista —it sounds like you don’t know the truth when you see it! Beck only speaks the truth! Beck is our only investigative reporter and he isn’t even a reporter,him and aaron klein. Where is the Media that tried so hard to get Nixon? Beck even says do your own homework and recheck the facts for the truth has no agenda!
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Posted on February 27, 2011 at 2:57amWow Sinista Mace, there are other people are there that see Beck as a fraud and a phony! He does say some truth but it is very little but the misinformation and untruths are so big, you could fly a 747 through it.
He is the biggest Con Artist on this modern day and he has a large, uneducated delusional following that believe everything he says is the gospel truth! LOL. He tells his views to check what he says for themselves and do their own research, you know they don’t, because they are to dumb to look up information at the library or on the internet. No, they just swallow all the crackpot predictions and invisible dots he is always connecting that lead to nowhere but to him they lead to secret, conspiracy theories and dead ends.
He can get away with this sleight of hand B.S. because he is never challenged by anyone. He never goes onto other shows to be questions. Oh, he does go onto FoxNews (O’Reily) because he knows they will back his loony ideas and won’t question him on any crap he says. They are probably afraid to question him on anything because he might cry or he might go berserk and himself or others!
Again thank you for seeing the truth of what Beck truly is a phony and stating that fact on this site!
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