Beck Repudiates Broden’s Violent Overthrow Comments: ‘What Are You Thinking?’
- Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:17pm by
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On his radio show Friday, Glenn Beck took time to respond to comments made by Texas congressional candidate Stephen Broden that violence was a part of America’s founding and that a future violent overthrow of the government is “on the table.”
In first talking about the story, Beck came out strongly against the idea. “If somebody is suggesting violence, they will be the destruction of our country,” he said:
Later in the show, Beck realized that the Stephen Broden mentioned in the story is Pastor Stephen Broden, whom Beck has had on his show in the past. “Stephen Broden, what are you thinking?” Beck said. “Can’t stand with you on that; I can‘t stand with you at all if you’re saying stuff like that”:
Beck then went on to unequivocally denounce violent overthrow of government, warning that such actions will lead America into conflict that mirrors the French Revolution, not the American one. He also said that if Broden’s reported comments are in context, Beck will “campaign against him”:
Beck’s memory serves him right. Broden has been a guest on Beck’s program and was even present at the 8/28 rally (seen below with Alveda King) as well as the “Divine Destiny” event the day before:
Broden founded Fair Park Bible Fellowship Church in Dallas in 1987. According to his website he is still senior pastor of the church.
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Diamondback
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:52pmI understand that Glenn must push non-violence to keep the communist subversives in Obama’s admin from coming and getting him and shutting down his activities. This is the one area where I and Glenn differ. Violent resistance to tyranny is NOT and will NEVER be off the table.
Any declaration of Martial Law or suspension of the Constitution (no authority in the Constitution exists for either of those situations!! The federal government can only suspend the “privilege of the writ of habeas corpus” in the event of “invasion or rebellion.” That’s not the same thing as declaring Martial Law or “suspending the Constitution” — powers the Feds do NOT have.) shall act as a Declaration of War against the Constitution, Republic and the people and chaos, death and destruction will ensue post haste upon the agents of tyranny.
Nex ut Tyrannus!
Report Post »Star Spangled
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 11:25pmTalk like that will cause those things to come about ! You’re one of those “set the world on fire ” guys aren’t you ?
Look folks , I do see this time as Americas 2nd revolution , But it MUST be a peaceful revolution !
Our weapon of choice this time is a voters registration card and our ammo is the truth and information to use them wisely . WE start taking control of our destiny Nov. 2 and we keeping changing it one election at a time . Our representatives are on notice , from now on they listen to us or they’re out .
Changes will bring growing pains , some things will get worse better they get better . But we’ll have to pull together and “ make those sacrifices now so our children wont have to ”.
Most of us here have lived long enough to remember pulling together when things get tough is an American tradition , that’s where our strength is .
What we don’t want is a civil war and riots in our streets !
Report Post »bloodhound
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:51pmfirst off keep your jerk off anti religon to yourself. Secondly he’s not advocating for a violent overthrow. He‘s just saying that if things break down badly it’s what will happen. Isn’t that what everyone else is saying?
Report Post »Kramer900
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:50pmWe need a physical govt overthrow from within the govt, not the citizens. We have no power. The commie in chief needs to be physically dragged out of the white house, and the govt taken over by congressmen who stand for liberty
Contrarianthinker
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 4:18pmKramer are you a agent provocatuer??? Sure sounds like you’re encouraging us to open offensive violence which is insurrection. I’m reporting this post to the editors.
Report Post »Tucsonan
Posted on October 24, 2010 at 10:12amYes, thinking this through the military is essentially owned by the government. Back in Washington’s days, they had horses, canons, guns and knives. Now we have jets and bombs. As citizens we don’t have a prayer, but if the goverment from within does the fighting, we have a chance.
Report Post »HKS
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:50pmI read this as a last resort comment which I agree with. The election process is designed to fix things like this unless the elections are rigged and unfortunately they are. Add a justice department that won’t enforce the laws and it makes for a unwindable situation. I think that is what he was saying as it could come to that as a last resort. I really like this guy and have a lot of respect for his opinions. I did not read anything that suggested to me that violence is the only answer.
Report Post »rfycom
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:50pmWait, Newt said we were going to shut down the government. But PEOPLE, if we are not willing to compromise what is left but a violent take over. All i hear from Rush (jim jones) and Hannity/Beck (David Koersh) is No compromise. If these guys are going to take us to the edge they have to be prepared to step into the fire. Do you think these three guys have the balls to pick up a rifle and stand by your side when the bloodshed starts? No way PEOPLE. That is when the real leaders step to the front. These guys are on their G4 private jets out of the states.
Report Post »meisterschaft
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:58pmAmen!
besides…who “works” for whom anyway?…..or is it whom works for who….or whom for whom……oh crap…you get the idea…..
Report Post »ChrisBalsz
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:49pmI guess I don’t stand with absolute pacifists.
Report Post »NRABIBLETHUMPER
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:48pmGlenn, you are overreacting! He was not promoting violence, he stated that the option should not be taken off of the table. And, he is 100% right. If we combat socialism/communism/Marxism/Democraliberofacist with our minds first and we stand up and campaign against it, but, but, but, maybe this should be a big but (BUT), if we are unsuccessful in all of our peaceful methods, the last resort must be overthow of any tyrannical goverment. Isn’t this one of the reasons, we were given the “right” to bear arms?
Use common sense, you can’t “Juan” this guy for speaking his mind, he didn’t promote any sort of violence. He only stated what at least 1/2 the country is feeling!
I know, Glenn gets kicked by all the left for “calling for violence” but that shouldn’t cause him to overreact in the other direction. Hell, I think its nice that we’ve had a couple gentlemen speak their minds in the last few days.
It’s refreshing.
(When it does come down to the last option, remember, a bully is only a bully until he’s confronted!)
Report Post »Sunnyr
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 3:10pmI agree 100%. Glenn should ignore the Libwads who blame him for everything that happens today. The Pastor should be defended for exercising his FREEDOM OF SPEECH! I love “Peaceful” but there are times when we may have to fight. It should NEVER be taken off the table but should always be a last resort, just as Mr. Broden said.
Report Post »Bauervision
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:46pmGlen you’re allowed to speak your mind, just as Broden is, just as Juan is. I saw no hint of advocacy in the interview, just a simple pronouncement of one of the most important lines in one of our founding documents, that if things continue down the path it looks as though we are heading, it may be time to take a stand outside of the polls—especially if those polls prove useless.
I only want peace in this in this country, but even God Himself says that there is a time for war.
Report Post »Attilashrugs
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:44pmBroden’s remarks are correct. Truth is true! There comes a time when force must be dealt with by force. This election and the 2012 one will be the last chance of peacefully restoring the United States to a Constitutional Republic.
Report Post »The Anglo-American World uniquely has had revolutions that were anti-radical. From the threats that led to the Crown ceding certain powers BACK to the Nobility, enshrined in the Magna Carta, to the English Civil Wars waged by Parliament to force the Crown to RESTORE the status quo of the rights of parliament to tax and to set the budgets; the “Revolt” was actually a RESTORATION of the previous state of Liberty. The American Revolution as well, initially began as a reaction to the loss of self government that the Colonies enjoyed until then. Even our Civil War, the South considered that the Republican North had become Revolutionary and they, the Confederacy were seeking only to RESTORE liberty.
Unlike the French and Russian examples, the Anglo-American Revolutions historically have been reaction to a new radical imposition of Tyranny.
Ultimately, if the ballot box fails to re-secure our Liberty, we will be faced with Patrick Henry’s stark choice. It is time to re-read Tom Paine, for these may well be once again the times that try Men’s souls!
meisterschaft
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:55pmAmen brother!
Report Post »Bob_R_OathKeeper
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 3:19pmmeisterschaft – Why have you said, “Amen” a couple of times now, but also put down religion? I don‘t care what you believe but that just doesn’t make sense brother.
Report Post »neverending
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 12:31pmAgree totally – Maybe we would lose but at least we stood up to save our Beautiful God given country. What should we do – OH I GUESS JUST BE NICE.
Report Post »meisterschaft
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 2:38pmFreedom of speech baby….why do you care what I say? Unless….you want to censor me……
Report Post »meisterschaft
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:42pmLike sheep to slaughter! If you want world governance controlled by the elite, then being peaceful is not what you should be doing. Sitting around a camp fire singing “Kumbaya” then more power to ya, but like this pastor said, ITS LAST RESORT, are we all going to just sit idly by and let these elitists run our country into the ground? If you think that a “republican” takeover is the answer, you are sadly mistaken. The GOP will simply continue this agenda, with reversing or going against a few “token” items….
You all need to stop listening to this GOVERNMENT funded (state controlled media, yes FOX news is one of them) control system, and wake up.
http://www.infowars.com
Report Post »Attilashrugs
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:48pmRaht awn. Time we recall the final challenge as defined by Patrick Henry! Time we re-read Tom Paine, and recall that there were other Times That Tried Men’s Souls. If shenanigans impede the will of the people, we are left with the choice of surrender or fighting. That is the test that “tries men’s souls”.
Report Post »walkwithme1966
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 3:11pmThis group does not need the advise of anybody who listens to Alex Jones – thank you very much!
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meisterschaft
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 2:54pmwalkwithme1966:
Seriously you need to wake up, Alex Jones is not a conspiracy theorist. He makes conclusions based on facts of declassified documents. As of late, GLENN BECK has been mirroring what Alex Jones has been sying almost word for word. Besides, Alex Jones does not take a DIME from the good old government!
You really should give him a listen, and not trust the state run media as a sole point of information. ( you might learn something)
Report Post »Bronco II
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:41pmI think and this is just me the Pastor is saying yes we do not want to be violent we should always do whatever it is we need to do PEACEFULLY.On the other hand and if I know Glenn he isn’t saying if someone is standing there punching you in the face just take it and smile at least I hope not because sorry I will take the name calling all day long but if someone puts their hands on me I have a right to defend myself.So I thinking this is what the Pastor means maybe I’m wrong.I hope I’m reading Glenn right to.GOD does say IF AT ALL POSSIBLE which means do try to get along with people and be peacefull but he isn’t saying we are to be doormats or bleeding heart christians we have to many of them now.They mean well but I don’t agree with some of their ideas and ways they handle things.I would not stand outside a prison that is getting ready to execute someone who has been found guilty and say it’s wrong to do it.I would however pray for them and their family but we all get what we deserve and if it means execution for taking another life then I’m okay with it let GOD be the true judge of him when he sees him face to face.
Report Post »W W GW D?
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:40pmThanks Glenn, Pastor Broden, that’s the last thing we need for them to pin on us!
Report Post »JN
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:38pmviolence should be the last thing on our minds. it shouldn’t be on the “table”, it should be buried in the backyard. violence is what you do when you can’t make a reasonable argument and convince people. as conservatives, we have a responsibility to turn this country around by convincing people of the values we hold and truth that we have learned
Report Post »Contrarianthinker
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 4:17pmJN and others, many in the VA legislature felt that we should wait and wait and wait and never use even defensive violence. Patrick HENRY’S ENTIRE EXTEMPORAOUS speech refuted that position. He ended by the famous statement, “Give me LIBERTY or give me death.” He wasn’t advocating committing suicide. (grin) hE WASN’T ADVOCATING OFFENSIVE OVERTHROW WHICH IS INSURRECTION. Glenn says the famous line from the DofI. … we pledge our honor, our wealt5h and even our life.” Is Glenn forgetting those words in a rush of prejudgement?
Most Americans didn’t take up arms against the tyrants in defense of lost freedoms. Many sided with the Tories. But many sat on the sidelines quivering in their boots.
Glenn says we all must make a choice. I choose to be prepared and IF push comes to shove defensively fight with my guns alongside like minded people in order to protect our God given rights.
Report Post »takingonissues.com
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:36pmThere are ways other than violence to “over throw” the government,,,,how about voting the current dumbo politicians out of office….come to think of it we will have a chance to do just that in 2 weeks…be sure to vote…
Report Post »meisterschaft
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:51pmif you think that the republican takeover is the answer…..your wrong! These politicians are bought and paid for by the big banks and the elites, they will continue the agenda of the progressives, and might reverse some small tokens of legislation…….
You watch, there will be some “excuse” for not repealing obamacare, or cap and trade……bend over, here comes global governance…..whey else is our OWN government nuking our economy? ITS ALL BY DESIGN.
http://www.infowars.com
Report Post »trailzilla
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 3:04pmVoting out doesn‘t work because half the people in this country aren’t liberty loving patriots. Half the people in this country are receiving handout after handout, don’t work, and don’t pay taxes. What motivation is it to them to vote for someone who will take all that away.
Report Post »Texas woman56
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:34pmHe is just saying what he thinks could happen if the elections are not honest. Many Texans agree with him.
Report Post »Sunnyr
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:52pmThere is so much voter fraud going on in the DemocRAT party today. Bus loads of kids being delivered to the polls with sample ballots that have ONLY DemocRAT Candidates on them, the on-going problem with these idiots getting the Military ballots out on time, while the Felon Ballots are HAND DELIVERED to prisons. The ACORN fraud that goes on year after year after year. The American people can only take so much until they will take matters in their own hands unless something is done. The MORON in the Justice Department is not going to address these issues. Things must change or there could very well be a revolution of sorts, now more than ever before.
Report Post »GRuss
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 5:05pmI’m beginning to think most democRats could not win a legitimate election. They have the dead vote, but it’s not enough, they want all other illegal votes too! That’s what will cause violence, not legitimacy..
Report Post »HKS
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 5:20pmWell, In my opinion voting should be tied to a tax return. No tax return, no vote………………. It should be the AMERICAN way………
Report Post »jzs
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:34pmAnybody every read Orwell’s 1984? I look forward to everyone who posts here to suddenly switch their opinions, and take a position exactly the reverse of what they expressed minutes ago. Glenn Beck has spoken, so please revise your opinions accordingly. No need to admit you flip flopped.
Report Post »meisterschaft
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:53pmHAHA JZS…you are so right!
Report Post »jacobstroubles
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:34pmWhile Glenn’s statement may be accurate ” “If somebody is suggesting violence, they will be the destruction of our country,” It is an well desgined game plan of continued psychological warfare that is being played out. The scum behind this, is no longer satisfied with the little nudging, they are now ready to start shoving us.
It‘s really almost classic textbook 101 of Maslow’s Hierchy of Needs. All of the threats to our basic needs: Freedoms, Economy, jobs, housing, healthcare, food, pension funds, war afar, war at our S. border. While we, (the US) have a different ingrained culture than France, we will eventually respond almost in the same way once WE reach our cultural threshold.
I would pray that “it” doesnt not reach that point, however, I suspect that there is a incredible intent to drive “it” absolutely to that point for the underlying agenda.
Report Post »wingedwolf
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:44pmIt is then up to us to listen when Glenn says, to not allow ourselves to be carried into the crap, but to prepare, store food and what supplies we can so that we can remain out of that fracas.
BoilitDown
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 3:33pmJACOBSTROUBLES: In other words….If we descend into violence, their plan worked and they win. Right? The real fringe wackos, that they claim the Tea Party is, will ignite the the bonfire they’ve been bulding.
Report Post »With the union and socialist violence in Europe threatening to come to America, we must embrace reason as a defense.
Don’t let anger displace wisdom.
Sunnyr
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:32pmI must have missed something. I don’t remember Pastor Broden ADVOCATING a violent overthrow of our government, Glenn. He was stating the obvious, IMO. Americans will NEVER allow themselves to be taken over by any regime that would destroy our LIBERTY AND FREEDOM. We would fight them with everything we have, instead of following them like a bunch of sheep to slaughter. I think it’s in our DNA. We have never been tested, thank goodness, but it is always “on the table.” I would vote for Mr. Broden if I could.
Report Post »meisterschaft
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:52pmAMEN! Seems that people are “missing the point”
Report Post »jhaydeng
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 3:01pmAgreed! It’s common sense! We still live in the times where we can’t hear someone without looking over our shoulder to see if someone else will react first!! We are so far away from HONEST debate! I am not sure we can ever get there if people can’t be ridiculed for expressing their opinions! P.S. I am so sick of ACRONYMS!!!!
Report Post »Taquoshi
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 10:35amLet’s see – Violence is on the table.
1. Well, I kind of expect it to be since man is sinful. Doubt my word? Get a copy of your local newspaper and read it. Our corner of the world had two shooting last week and a suicide. Haven’t seen the local paper for today yet, but if it’s not the front page, it’ll be on the page title Police Reports.
2. Uh, how many times have we heard about violence being used by the Dems? Like the Republican candidate who was debating his incumbent opponent that went so far as to threaten the Republican and then made physical contact as the two walked off stage. Or what about the woman who was at the 10/3 rally that pushed the videographer and then kept screaming at him not to take her ‘pitcher’. She went and got the security and then came back and confronted him again. The security detail wisely placed themselves between her and the videographer, otherwise she would have made physical contact. Or maybe the MSM reporter who got aggressive with the fellow who asked Rahm Emanuel some tough questions.
Violence IS on the table. People are angry about a lot of issues and some of them are just waiting for a chance to physically hurt someone just to prove their point. However, the big question is how we RESPOND to violence.
As a libertarian, I’m not going swing first, but I am giving notice that after that, all bets are off. I’m not looking for a fight, I’m a non-confrontational person, but that does not give those who are aggressive the right to do me grievous harm because they are. I respectfully disagree with those who say “Violence is never the answer” because if that were so, we’d all still be singing “God Save the Queen” rather than “The Star Spangled Banner”. While many changes do come about peacefully (the abolition of slavery in England, the establishment of India as a sovereign nation) others don’t (the Civil Way, the American Revolution). Much depends on who the two opposing parties are and how high they want to raise the bar.
Report Post »Matty1631
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:32pmI’m confused? Why was Beck not against violence before he sent his soldier Byron Williams to the Tides Foundation?
Report Post »Psychosis
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:43pmyour an idiot
Report Post »ChrisBalsz
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:44pmByron Williams told police that Beck does not endorse violence.
Report Post »Bob_R_OathKeeper
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:57pmI understand why you are confused, you’re part of the problem for being an idiot. There, no more confusion.
Report Post »hushpeople
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 3:17pmWhich liberal terrorist organization do you belong to? Are you on the Soros payroll too? Perhaps you are gunning for Juan’s old job?
Report Post »CALIDUDE
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 3:19pmYou seem to be compensating for the fact lefties are usually the violent ones.
Report Post »AZBabe
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:31pmWhat happened to freedom of speech Glenn…It doesn’t sound to me like he is calling for violence…just saying it’s not out of the realm of reality if things get really bad…I don’t mind you disagreeing with him, but don’t make him out to be some kind of whacko, he isn’t and I know a lot of people who feel the same way he does.
Report Post »JN
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:40pmhonestly, i dont see glenn portraying broden as a “wacko.” Glenn is making a stand by saying that violence is not the solution no matter what happens.
Report Post »meisterschaft
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:44pmSo…JN….then you are advocating that we should not have fought in WWII, 1812, revolutionary war? Come on man seriously?
Sometimes you need to stand up for what you believe in, and if you want to just bend over and take it…..then that’s up to you, but i totally agree with TAKINGONISSUES.COM
Report Post »neverending
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 3:33pmI agree wholeheartedly – what are you thinking Glenn.
Report Post »dkhartman
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 3:51pmJN – ARE YOU SURE?? NO matter what happens, violence is NOT the answer? I disagree. When you go to a judge about the violation by our congress of the consitution and they turn you away then what? You try to get those people out of congress… What happens when those people cheat like they did in the presidential elections? Then where do you go??? What do you do?? Yes you try EVERY thing else first but if the tyrants in office are going to stop us from fighting which they’ve done a great job of so far by using thier power (wrongfully so) then will violence be okay? You can’t bend over.. If they don’t allow us to overthrow them civially, it may come to violence. Unless you want to end up a slave… But that’s your choice…. I won’t bend over.. So I don‘t believe this pastor wasn’t talking about right this second, I agree with him that it’s not off the table. If they continue to win their elections by falsifying documents so that illegals can vote to get them into office and then when we try to FIGHT that, the democratic butt kissing judges turn down the case, then the next thing maybe a violent overturn…
Report Post »AZBabe
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 4:18pmSEIU is already trying to steal the elections here in AZ…I say GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH… What would you do if Obama declared himself a dictator? Would you bend over and take it? All options must remain on the table because we have no idea what these people have up their sleeve and I will never give up and I will never give in and I will never submit to them and if it gets to the point where we have to fight for our freedom, I will step up!
Report Post »texasred
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 3:25pmJN, you sincerely don’t get it. There does come a time when you must stand up and say “No More”. No one wants civil war. We are not a blood thirsty bunch of whackos just wishing we could shoot people we don’t agree with. NO ONE WANTS VIOLENCE. However, there are millions of Americans who will stand on the side of Liberty, who will draw a line in the sand and say “No More”. It is our duty to do so, just the same as our fathers and grandfathers before us. Glenn, I respect and admire you but you are wrong on this matter. Saying something is on the table is not saying that it is anything but a last resort. The way the US Government does not take the nuclear option off the table in dealing with hostile nations. It is the “Big Stick” to be used only as a last resort. If you say that no matter what happens, we will not defend ourselves and our country, you are essentially leaving us vulnerable to attack. But, this administration needs to understand: WE WILL NEVER COMPLY. The last thing on the table is the bravery and will of the American people not to be subjugated.
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:31pmChristians preaching the violent overthrow of our government. so much for a religion of peace.
wake up, folks!
all revealed religions lead to the same thing: ignorance and tyranny. I saw quite a few people on the other page supporting this jackass. mark my words: these christians are just as much a threat to our liberty as the progressives are.
KEEP YOUR DAMN RELIGION OUT OF MY GOVERNMENT!
Report Post »meisterschaft
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:46pmExactly…hence “separation of church and state” , and answer me this…..HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE DIED IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD IN THE NAME OF RELIGION?
Report Post »Bob_R_OathKeeper
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 3:07pmHow many have been saved because of religion? How many babies have been killed because of lack of religion? How many wars have been won and nations saved because of religion?
Report Post »snowleopard3200
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 3:08pm@MrButchere
I am a christain chaplain and DO NOT advocate violent overthrowing of the government; change can be made peacefully within the Courts, and Constitution of the land. Change can be made by the way Ghandi did – Change through non violent means.
Do not blame religion for most of the worlds ills, there have been enough non-religious wars as well.
http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm (mix art)
Cathy B
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 3:52pmI agree with you to leave “religion” out of government-but not “God” or whatever you choose to call that Power. The power we need!
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 12:30amExactly…hence “separation of church and state” , and answer me this…..HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE DIED IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD IN THE NAME OF RELIGION?
Separation of church and state is not in the Bill of Rights. It says:
“Congress shall make no law respecting [or "favoring"] an establishment [or "any one specific institution"; notice the indefinite article] of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; …”
The point here wasn‘t that Congress isn’t supposed to make laws which only have their basis in a theistic worldview – such as laws against murder, theft, etc. – but that Congress isn’t supposed to make laws which favor specific religions.
How many people have died in the history of the world in the name of religion? Well, that’s a lot like asking “How many people were killed by people who were breathing.” See, all meaningful pursuits only make sense in a theistic worldview, and so all meaningful wars (for the rights of man, rights to property, etc.) are necessarily going to ultimately be of a religious nature.
Now, while Atheists will try to lay claim to a meaningful existence apart from the necessary existence of a creator, their worldview nevertheless is comprised of obligations to humanity, and is therefore not unlike “religious” worldviews in the relevant sense.
This article may put the actual numbers into perspective, at least as it pertains specifically to Christianity:
Christianity’s Real Record
http://www.str.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=9255
Here’s an excerpt: “The greatest evil does not result from people zealous for God. It results when people are convinced there is no God to whom they must answer.”
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 1:55amOh? But is it your government? If it is now it may not be for long. Stay vigilant and don’t get too complacent.
Report Post »meisterschaft
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 2:50pmSo, by your reasoning the biggest mass murders in history could be placed in the religious category because they may have thought they were a god? Case closed. Anyone who has committed genocide has probably had inclinations of being god-like. Religion has therefore caused 100% of deaths relating to war. Good thread, that was fun.
Report Post »Flagwaver
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:30pmThis is just sad… and people say that Beck is inciting violence.
Report Post »Matty1631
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:34pmHave a look at the posts under the original story on this guy.
Seems like a lot of violent people to me.
Report Post »Bob_R_OathKeeper
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 3:11pmMatty1631 – Go look at Huffo post and at any number of the vile Lefty Socialist blogs if you really want to see violence, but I’m sure you already know that though.
Report Post »Matty1631
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 6:47pmall you have to do is look at the comments on this board to see the kind of violence beck is inspiring. There are pages and pages of people supporting a violent overthrow of our democratically elected government.
Report Post »Restored One
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:28pmGood for you Glenn. And those who commented on the first story the Blze issued should be ashamed if you even slightly agreed with the Pastor.
Report Post »jhaydeng
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:50pmI think he was speaking if the government had gone seriously radical like arresting people for driving Fords or something crazy like that. Close your eyes and imagine a situation that would require forcefull removal of government officials and picture what force was used to get King George out! Don’t take words out of context. In my opinion, anyway! God bless!
Report Post »snowleopard3200
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 3:05pm@jhaydeng
Our government has already gone seriously radical upon the American People; and likely to turn us to a socialist-progressive nightmare ruled by Soros if God does not help us all.
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123gone
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 3:13pmHey folks, he said it was on the table. And for my money, it had better stay on the table.
Report Post »I’m ashamed of any American willing to bend over to Socialism without a fight, and that includes Glenn Beck!
NickDeringer
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:27pmNote to Beck: make sure you vet people before you put them on your show and give them your support.
Joyce Meyers is another troubling individual.
I recommend Dr. Anthony Evens who is a great African-American pastor who really does get it. He‘s a friend of James Robison who has been on Beck’s show as a guest.
Report Post »libertyordeath87
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 3:17pmUnless the person is an immigrant from Africa, they are Americans. The term “African-American” is crap and shouldn’t be used in any circumstance.
Report Post »tiredofdeception
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 8:05pmYou have not done your homework on Pastor Broden either.
Report Post »*************************
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 9:33pm“Beck Repudiates Broden … ‘What Are You Thinking?’”
Probably Thomas Jefferson (in a letter to William Smith – Paris, November 13, 1787):
“What country before ever existed a century & a half without a rebellion? & WHAT COUNTRY CAN PRESERVE IT’S LIBERTIES IF THEIR RULERS ARE NOT WARNED FROM TIME TO TIME THAT THEIR PEOPLE PRESERVE THE SPIRIT OF RESISTANCE? Let them take arms. The remedy [for the aforementioned rebellion of Massachusetts] is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? THE TREE OF LIBERTY MUST BE REFRESHED FROM TIME TO TIME WITH THE BLOOD OF PATRIOTS & TYRANTS. It is it’s natural manure.” [emphasis mine]
Mr. Beck, you should be thinking Thomas Jefferson, too. The overthrow of tyrants, peacefully or violently, is ALWAYS “on the table” … in the land of Liberty.
sheriff BART: “I better go check out this Mongo character.” [Bart reaches for his gun]
Report Post »town drunk JIM: “Oh no, don’t do that. Don’t do that. If you shoot him, you’ll just make him mad.”
Mary M. Tebbe
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 10:06pmnickderinger: The reason that tea party candidates are coming across as lacking political speech skills is that they are not seasoned politicians and they have not been corrupted by politics to talk double-talk. We need to give them a chance to grow in their positions, and when we look at the alternatives, they are our only chance right now to turn this ship around. The Tea Party is trying to vet these people as best they can, so you must trust the Tea Party at this juncture right now.
Report Post »If you are afraid of fraud at the polling sites, then volunteer to help out at your polling precinct. We are careful to monitor foreign elections. Maybe we should clean up our own polling sites first.
The left calls the Tea Party people “violent” to stir us up. You must not listen to them. They are trying to start a riot so they can make their violent moves. Don’t fall for that! We will make our voices heard on NOVEMBER 2nd, and not before. Silently we will speak through our single votes. When you go into that voting booth you are voting for yourselves, but you are also voting for your children and grandchildren and their future. Choose carefully your candidate, and VOTE TO SAVE OUR REPUBLIC!!! Together we will achieve this, if we USE OUR HEADS and OUR HEARTS!
grandmaof5
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:25pmThank you, Glenn, I thought the same thing when I read it. Even if you think it, keep it to yourself, please.
Report Post »FreedomOfSpeech
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:31pmI don’t agree with violence but when you let a Kenyan-born socialist steal the presidency, this is what happens. People go nuts.
ron the veteran
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:37pmeven our founding fathers were forced to fight you cant bow down to evil at all. lets hope it dont come to that.
inlaymensterms
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:50pmVery weak reasoning Glenn…your wrong here…
snowleopard3200
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:55pmYes Glen is correct in that armed violence in this country will be the end of the country. We need to make change as Ghandi managed to do it. Change through non violent means; a revolution based on peaceful means.
The country has a legal means to do things via the Courts, Constitution and the Voting process.
This is how it should be done, and must be done.
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crazedbanshee
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 2:59pmI agree, if we turn to violence the marxists will win. The are far into there game plan. They have caused segregation of peoples on many different fronts. Many high officials are no longer hiding who they are. They have tryed and a few times succeeded to make random attacks on cities. If they succeed in causing enough division to start another civil war it will be the end of the USA as we know it.
Report Post »FreedomOfSpeech
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 3:02pmBeck probably knows that the Obama machine will try to marginalize (and maybe even criminalize) people who are even loosely associated with Broden. It may not happen right away, but you can be sure that Obama will institute martial law and round up people like Broden if something akin to a homegrown terrorist attack happens here. They might also use Broden’s Tea Party affiliations to go after people like Beck. There are already rumblings from far-left Obama proxies suggesting Beck is inciting violence. I wholeheartedly disagree with the thought that Beck’s true speech is inciting violence but we should not underestimate the actions that this administration is willing to take to retain power.
Report Post »No Quarter
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 3:08pmSo, how far do we go with the social eliete takeover of our country? When push“or nudge” comes to shove we will have to take the country back. “Or slip into marxism” I think there could come a time when we will have to take it back as our forefathers have allowed for. We may not be there yet, but i dont think the pastor was suggesting we start now. Death is preferable to slavery.
Report Post »dhays
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 3:21pmI agree that violence is the worst possible way to solve a problem. However, I do not expect tyrants will just admit defeat and quietly back out (history appears to confirm this statement). Voting has appeared to have lost its potency over the last few years. Voter fraud, dishonest candidates, and broken promises have destroyed the integrity of the entire voting system. I hear a lot of good ideas coming from tea-party candidates, however, I remain highly skeptical of all candidates. Ron Paul is the only candidate I trust at this point. Other than that I am almost afraid to vote for anyone. If violence is not the answer, then what other alternative remains? I hope someone much smarter than me is able to answer that question (adequately).
Report Post »I was extremely disappointed with Christine O‘ Donnell’s performance against Mr. Koons. This guy should have been an easy slam dunk for her due to the ignorance of Mr. Koons, and she fell on her face when asked about the 14-16 amendments.
I am amazed at how short our memories have become in regards to political parties. A few years ago, all I heard was “We need to get the Republicans out of office”, now the current rhetoric “We need to get the Democrats out of office”. When will we learn our lesson? We have had both democrats and republicans in office, and it always turns out to be a disaster. Now the Tea Party has come on the seen promising something new, but all I see is a repackaged version of the republican party. It is time to dismiss the political party facade, and focus on the individual. I have remained independent of political parties in my short time as a voter. I do not believe political parties can represent the diversity that defines our great nation. Political parties have brought nothing but deception, confusion, and complacency. When voting and diplomacy have failed, I ask, What is the next step to removing tyrants from power?
neverending
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 3:31pmFirst the first time – shut the pie hole Glenn
Report Post »ozz
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 3:36pmThere is a time for armed revolution. That is why we have the 2nd amendment. It is not that time yet. The pastor simply recognized that FACT. Armed revolution can never be taken off the table. It is it’s threat that prevents tyranny.
Report Post »cap0ne
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 3:48pmGB States the “Violence has never worked”.. So what would he say happened during the
Report Post »American Revolution? Did the British and Americans play cards??
Brooke Lorren
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 3:50pm@No Quarter: yes, death is preferable to slavery. That doesn’t meant that we have to fight back now. People were killed during Ghandi’s struggle. Christians were killed in the early days of Christianity. Neither side fought back (and when they did, it didn’t turn out well).
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Report Post »reconmarine
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 3:54pmI disagree Grandma. Sounds like more silencing of free speech. If our founders had kept it to themselves we would be part of the British Empire today which probably would have been better than a socialist or communist government which we are becoming.
Report Post »watchmany2k
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 3:58pmHe who lives by the sword, will die by the sword.
Have we not been paying attention ?!
You DO realize the elites in power have their plan in PLACE for a violent uprising, don’t you ?
Violence IS what they are COUNTING on, so they can pull the final lever.
BTW, iit does not matter if the violence comes from the right or the left, the elite pulls the same lever.
..And LAUGHS.
Want to insure the socialist/communist stays in power ? Force them to declare martial law.
Those with mini arsenals in their bunkers are sadly mistaken if they believe they can stand against
Police. Even IF they could stand -for a while, the authorities can call the guard and even the military if necessary.
Some still need to learn the lesson of 8/28
Your peaceful union equates a VOTING BLOCK.
The opposition cannot muster enough fraud to defeat an awakened enlightened educated
VOTING American.
Violence now would undo all of the gains and legitimate support that 8/28 clearly showed.
Our extreem right, and left, malitia or not, don’t even equate the strength that Saddam mustered.
Our military walked thru them like water.
Get real.
LEARN your history
GHANDI DEFEATED the Brittish EMPIRE
Lech liewenza (SP) DEFEATED the COMMUNIST powers.
That fellow in tiennaman square DEFEATED the CHINESE TANKS.
8/28 DEFEATED the progressive structure and plans.
TALK on FOX has usurped the BILLIONS of corrupt money, and halted their agenda.
PAY attention !
Report Post »Get it RIGHT.
PRAY
If YOU are on the side of GOD, who can stand against you ?
calebgs83
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 4:02pmGlenn, if you campaign against Broden in favor of the SOCIALIST, I will never watch your show again. All he said was that in a worst case scenario no options are off the table when it comes to his liberty. Why the hell are you jumping down his throat for correctly reading the CONSTITUTION?
Report Post »moelarrycurly
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 4:09pmGlenn-I cannot agree with you on this. While all my hopes and prayers are for a peaceful restoration of our nation-the good pastor is right on this. And failing to be strong and show our enemies-foreign or domestic that we will not back down and we will not be silenced is suicide. He was not calling for a revolt-nor at this time should he have. Merely stating that it is not off the table. Would Reagan have taken anything off the negotiating table? I don’t think so. When dealing with our enemies it is always best to speak softly from a position of strength. Stolen elections, un-Constitutional laws enacted by congress, Socialism slowly replacing the established government. treasonous statements from left wing politician speaking to marxist/socialist crowds. It will not stand. I will speak against it. I will stand against it. I will fight against it-to the last fiber of my being. I will leave my children a better legacy than what this administration has planned for them. They will not be slaves-I will not allow it. He made a statement-and he stood by it. And he is right. Our founding fathers may have reluctantly gone to war-but they did it. They were willing to fight for their principles and so should we. I am saying-as Father Broden did, that peaceful means should be found to restore our republic and it’s Constitution. Theft of elections will not stand. Groups and organizations that aspire to subvert our laws and cheat the system set up under the Constitution should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
Report Post »Glenn-I have nothing but love and respect for you. And I applaud your efforts to expose and unmask these traitors and inspire the people to peaceful ends. but if it doesn’t work and they continue to cheat as they have-what then? What then?
HKS
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 4:16pmMaybe Glenn is being to conservative, I think he is concerned with triggering martial law and rex 84, a subject that needs to be in the limelight. Everyone should know what is at steak.
Report Post »Bullcop34
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 4:32pmArmend violence wil NOT be the end of this country. Where in the heck do you people saying this think this great Republic started from???
Report Post »Susan Harkins
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 4:34pmI dont think it is proper to openly voice violence in such a manner, especially at this time. Coming from a Repub. it will feed right into the Demwits’ hands. Besides, I think we all know what we have ‘on the table’ — no need to politicize it. Let the system work and we vote the bums out. If they seize control of the country, then we might be discussing other options. This is not the time and place for such rhetoric, regardless of, how accurate it is.
Report Post »moelarrycurly
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 4:34pm@HKS-Agreed. I am just saying that stating the depth of our resolve is ok. Broden is right. Glen could have diffused the situation without appearing to incite violence in any way. He could have said-yes but-it is the last resort. And it is the last resort. Election fraud is a high crime. It needs to be treated as such-particularly since the perpetrators are Marxist/socialist/communists. Last resort-but never off the table.
Report Post »watchmany2k
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 5:29pmLMAO
The Great sifting of allegiances begins.
Can you not see that 10 days before the normal midterm elections
that raising the specter of armed insurrection plays into the progressive agenda to discredit us ?
This smells of spooky-dude planting the “reverend” months ago….
Glenn is spot-on in denouncing the mention of violent overthrow of government.
It is out of context as WE are winning, and stand to sweep the elections,
by any measure at this point.
I am glad the editors posted this, read thru the comments,
they read like a combination of obama-boiler-room-laptop-kids
who have been online far too long drinking red-bull and watching alex jones vids.
They serve only as fodder for the progressive blogs to say
“SEE Glenn’s followers ARE a bunch of gun toting revolutionaries”
Hummm, if this is the caliber of “journalist” you paid for Chairman Soros,
you should ask for yer millions back LMAO
Nice try trolls
The editor’s purpose is clear,
sift the posters as to those who “get it” and those who are infiltrators and posers.
Brilliant.
What better way to show the crazies ARE out there LOL
WE KNOW the majority of the Tea Party wield the most powerful of weapons
OUR VOICE & VOTE
See ya at the POLLS….ROFL
Report Post »noLONGERAPAWNOFTHECARLROVEELITE
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 6:38pmSorry, Glenn. Violence was on the table at our Nation’s founding and is on the table now (although I pray we never have to go there). I agree with many things you say but not this so put on your pink panties, grab a box of tissue and go sit in a corner and cry, you sick twisted freak.
Report Post »gopsnativeson
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 8:57pmTheres a system already in place for an overthrow of the government if they’re governing against the will of the governed.
Its right there in the constitution, the right to vote.
If you dont like our government, vote, & not just in 2 weeks,
Watch what they’re doing vote every 2 years.
There are only 536 people who are running this country onto the ground & 400 of them have to go.
For GOD’s sake, there are 300 million of us.
WE can take them.
VOTE EVERY 2 YEARS & PAY ATTENTION IN BETWEEN
Report Post »independentvoteril
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 10:19pmI have to say IF there is violence it will come from the left with the blessing of the OBAMA administration he sets it up at EVERY speech he gives with his MOCKING and BELITTLING of other American’s and is signaling for them to do something like the labor unions are encouraging the 18-25 year old kids in France..to do..
Report Post »longhorn mama
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 10:57pmViolence is the last resort but it IS a resort. Maybe you have to keep quiet to win an election but let’s have a little intellectual honesty here, please!
Report Post »longhorn mama
Posted on October 22, 2010 at 11:22pm@ Watchmany2k
Report Post »You think they won at Tiananmen Square? The average Chinese today does not even know it happened because of a news blackout over there. There is still no freedom of speech in China.
Yes, the Left is looking to throw the switch for martial law.
Yes, our Founding Fathers would have gladly voted if they could instead of war.
But how did that vote work out for them in Iran or Venezuela? The Second Amendment alone affords no security against modern weaponry. Large parts of the military would have to join a revolution. The last Civil War killed more Americans than all other of our wars combined. God willing, it will not come to this.
promise84
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 12:12amI mourn for our country. We have lost just about everything that made it great except for a few valiant souls and organizations. I no longer hold much hope for there to be a peaceable solution after reading the bloodlust displayed in some of these comments. There are obviously too many want-to-be warriors here posting ridiculous ‘calls to arms’, who have no personal concept of the grief and lasting destruction armed conflict brings and who are cheerfully calling for strife, that the electoral process can proceed without some mentally challenged hothead becoming emboldened into doing something to jeopardize it. The establishment has dropped blood into the water and the sharks are in frenzy. All that remains is for them to make one last great push to spark the violence they have planned for and do away with the Constitution entirely and all you bloodthirsty fools will give it to them on a platter. Do you think the inevitable disintegration of our society brought about from open violence will be left uncontested by foreign powers that have their future almost totally invested in America? Do you think hostile foreign powers will not leap at the chance to destroy American interests abroad whilst we in-flight thereby either forcing foreign investors to become involved or effectively landing a killing blow? Though the majority of our military would not likely turn on their own people, the majority is deployed, and who would be issuing their orders of recall and redeployment assuming they are not suddenly engaged in conflict overseas? These questions only address state sponsored contingencies. What about throwing terrorism into the equation and ask the same questions? The list of questions go on and on with no viable answers. I am afraid the box has been opened now and some few are seeing nothing but red and we are all going to regret our inattentiveness to our duty.
I pray that our Father in Heaven will have mercy on us.
“Praise the Pow’r that hath made and preserved us a nation!”
Report Post »StMichelob
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 3:39amI believe Broden is right, that constitutionally, we have the RIGHT as Jeffeson well pointed out , to overthrow a government turned to tyrrany. It is our RIGHT. Is it the best case, or even the sought after case? Why HELL NO. But I believe what he was pointing out is that with the second amendment, and with our concience thought as free people, we as Americans will NOT stand for our freedoms under our constitution to be eroded, then taken from us without a fight. YES, of COURSE we want to not have to fight, we as peace and freedom loving people want that to NEVER happen. But as my grampa said, you eff with the bull, you get the horns. Socialists, you just poked the bull. And By GOD, we have your horns. And we know how to use them. We want to be left to our wares, but if provoked, you will find we are NOT so easily duped and subdued.
Semper Fi and God bless.
Report Post »Peraslax
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 6:16amJust a simple question here. Being a conservative, I’ve read on blogs for years about some bloggers who happpen to own a few guns who are always so fast to start this talk about violently overthrowing the government, When someone brings up the obvious, like their guns dont a smart bomb make, they come back with the how the military would never go against the American people. Well, that is assuming you are gong to have a large number of people who will join in with this new revolution, Do they honestly think they can get more people to use violence against the governmnent than people who actually vote today? Like it or not, too many people are just too apathetic. Any revolution that uses violence will have to start out small and will be marginallized by the government and the MSM so that the people in our military wont have any problem following orders and “protecting our counrty from insurgence”. I believe Ayres should be rotting in jail today so dont take this wrong, but how are these conservative peops who are ready to take up arms against the government any different than Ayers? He believed our government had become tyranical and illegal so used violence to get the revolution started fully expecting the rest of the counrty to follow his lead. The guy was wrong, flat out wrong and so would anyone who would try the same thing for conservative causes. Heh, now to my question. If they were sucsessful and through some miracle was able to overthrow the government, then who gets to decide what’s next? The guy with the biggest gun? Are we really ready to trust whoever had trhe power to overthrow this government with deciding what we can and cant do? I believe that was Beck’s point about it being like the French Revolution, Frankly, and no offence meant, but I’d just a soon keep the beast I know than the one I dont
Report Post »USAPLISKENXI
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 10:10amOZZ is right Borden was just saying that it is in our Declaration of Independance and it is on the tabel
Report Post »Just NOT NOW!!!
StMichelob
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 12:15pm@ Peraslax. The difference between Ayers and the “gun nut conservatives” is that Ayers was trying to overthrow our constitution and replace it with a new socialistic “utopia” in which those who disagree are first attempted to be reprogrammed, then summarily executed if they still disagree….(kinda sonds like sharia law, huh?)
We are talking about the RESTORATION and DEFENSE of the constitution. What happens next? Constitutional law as we have known since 1789.
And this is only if the country slips into something like Ayers envisioned.
Report Post »Peraslax
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 6:01pmHate to be a nitpicker here Mich, but how do you know what happens next? You in charge of this future revolution or can you just read the leaders mind? Or will it just be a many headed hydra that will have to fight among itself until just one is left standing after they take out those commie expletives? Can you guarentee that the first line of business is that the well meaning people now in charge wont attempt to change that very constitution so that “this never happens again?” Taking away rights like, I dont know, NO COMMIES? Like I said in another post, I believe the constitition was a one time thing inspired by the hand of God. Cant bring myself around to believing some guys who have a bunch of rifles in their basements are going to be able to improve on it or not attempt to improve on it if they all of a sudden find themselves in power. The forefathers made the constitution like it is knowing it could be twisted and misused way out of line with what they had in mind, But they knew the only way to make the constitution more concrete would be to take away more rights so instead they admonished us to always remember that what they gave us wouldnt work unless we were highly moral and constantly in reverence of the Creator. No one seems to remember or even know that part, they just remember they are allowed to kick the bums out by force. And you are 100% right about Ayres. My point was he genuinely thought that revolution was in order and set about to start it. It never happended and I cant help but believe the same would happen on our side, You cant even get close to a majority to even vote. Dont see those same people taking up arms and marching on Washington soon even if they watch their neighbors getting hauled away to camps.
Report Post »longhorn mama
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 7:48pm@peraslax
Report Post »This keeps me up at nights. Do we actually have any future founding fathers walking among us today? I live in Texas, a conservative stronghold, yet our state’s “so-called conservative” politicians are just as corrupt and hypocritical as most. I would not trust them to start us over. Our founding was a miracle in man’s history and it is hard to imagine God granting us another when we have turned our back on Him. But soft tyrannies can progress to hard tyrannies and then people will rise up. I am not saying this as a threat. I am saying it as my fear for our people’s future.
So wake up your neighbors! Bring up Religion and Politics in mixed company. Quit worrying about being PC. Ignorance and apathy is our country’s greatest enemy. I was a former drone myself. I voted but I did not pay attention. It is the Tea Party that will save this country. Our Founders fought and died for us to have that ballot box so we would never have to live through what they did. Learn, talk with others and VOTE!
Reluctor Dominatus
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 7:57pmGlen has to say what he has to say to keep getting the word out. Here is a post I have been making the last few days:
The fact that liberal elites do not understand the resurgence of conservatives and seek, time after time, to demean our intellect is nothing more than a sign we are onto their true agenda. Most people, just because they are Americans, understand freedom and the threats to that freedom at a visceral level. Some have taken the warnings from firebrand Glenn Beck and do what he always implores us to do….”Check it out yourselves. Don’t take my word for it”. Well I have and what I found is even more alarming than Beck himself portrays. I often wondered why he always stressed peaceful change and referred to Gandhi when Thomas Jefferson himself has said “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” Now I understand….the term “culture war” is not just a term coined by the likes of Bill O’Reilly; the term is strategic statement by socialists to attack and destroy an existing system. We really are at war with socialists and the leftist academic elites and MSM are most likely willing and consenting combatants for the socialist side and Beck wants everybody to control their tempers when all hell breaks loose.
The roots of “progressives” date back to of all things and incident in France in 1871. It was the ‘Paris Commune’, the first socialist revolution. Socialists took over Paris and held it for a brief time. They could have actually taken France from the Republican government with all of the money and gold that was in the central bank. They did not seize the money but only asked for a loan from the bank thinking 1) it was not honorable to steal, and 2) they would be considered thieves by all watching the revolution. That money eventually made it way to the Republicans and the socialists fell violently. Marx and Engels felt that the socialists should have seized everything violently and execute “reactionaries” thus securing the revolution. That theology was followed by Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, and Pol Pot with the resulting deaths of over 100 million people. All of them failed in the long run. But there was another revolutionary theory based upon “praxis” or ‘process’ and it is the foundations of modern “progressivism”.
And Italian communist by the name of Antonio Gramsci felt that there should be a slow subversion of a system first by a “War of position” wherein socialists eliminated God from culture, established a cadre of elites, convert academia and indoctrinate the youth, and finally, seize the media. After that had been accomplished the socialists were to advance their agenda as far as possible. If and when they finally encountered and organized resistance to the “progressive” change the second phase would occur…a “War of maneuver” which is war or revolution by violence.
Sound familiar?
I think it commendable that Beck cites Gandhi, but in the back of his mind he knows, I know in the back of mine, Jefferson will be right.
Bear with me…I’m going to post this a lot over the next couple of weeks.
Report Post »Reluctor Dominatus
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 8:15pmBeware a ‘Reichstag fire’…if socialists decide they have made as much “progressive” progress within the system they will strike in some manner. I am not as optimistic as Glenn that one of the conservative members of th SCOTUS might just end up out of the way.
If so, they will have sealed the fate of the US we love.
Report Post »CYCLONE
Posted on October 24, 2010 at 12:27amsorry glenn…I’m shaking my head… the guy is “dead solid perfect right”….. I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HE IS THINKING OF… !!!… ARMED RESSURECTION !!…
I’ll let the rest of you sit down to dinner with George Soros…Grab Your Burkas…You Idiots…
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Report Post »NewsStalker
Posted on October 24, 2010 at 3:29amGlenn, Glenn , Glenn, by YOUR OWN WORDS on your Fox program you have stated yourself that you believe we are in grave danger as a country, that you think that we have lost the republic. Now, what do you expect? Should we lay down and take it? No way, I say. Freedom comes at a price, it is NOT FREE. I DO NOT want it to come to this, but what choice will be left if this continues? We have won battles in the past for freedom, (Revolutionary war, Civil War, Global WW2 and check your nearest Bible too) you are wrong in your fact checking or is it that you are comfortable in your new found position, $$$. I know that you are on a personal high right now, and I am very happy for your success, but that may soon end to another reality. Your personal wealth would almost certainly diminish. Would you fight for freedom Glenn? If so, when? Most of us do not have near the level of personal worth that you have acquired nor the personal success that has been bestowed unto you , but we are willing to fight against tyranny. I support the reverend, not your opinion on this matter.
Report Post »watchmany2k
Posted on October 24, 2010 at 8:10am@longhorn mama
You conviently omit Ghandi, NO I do not think overall the Chinese won,
however the example of the fellow in tienamen square did in fact win his skirmish.
He is an example to follow.
It remains to be seen if the Chinese can shed the communist yoke.
The US is hardly Iran or Venezuela,
here too freedom’s struggle continues,
even under a dictatorship they may rule the body but the thoughts remain free.
They may yet shrug off hugo and ahmedcrazy.
I find the odds slim and none that “large parts” of our military would join a “revolution”
America as we know it would be long gone to BE at that point.
It is the progressive that believes the US is evil, NOT the conservative.
We are nowhere near the supposed oppression this discussion has evoked.
No, I am deeply concerned that our valid current verbal struggle between freedom and comunism
will be manipulated into armed insurection, plunging us into the very darkness we seek to avoid.
There are many who would incite violence here as their means to their end.
Our peaceful changing of government by means of election has stood for these two centuries
unlike ANY other nation where only great strife results in change.
It is our strength, and our shining example in the world.
WE ARE better than that.
I believe even the evil of progressive communism 100 year plan cannot undo it,
unless we succumb to their level and resign ourselves to hopelessness and
participate in desperate violence.
That in an of itself requires the acceptance of defeat already.
Totally NOT now, we outnumber them and have them on the run.
I can still vote, and I can still call the government corrupt OUTLOUD,
and we can assemble together
to peacefully resist it and alter it.
The sign we look for is in their prosecution for their crimes.
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watchmany2k
Posted on October 24, 2010 at 8:33amFurther, the phrase
Violence is the soul of the defeated wit
says it all.
To call for revolution now BEFORE the elections of 2010 & 2012
or to even invoke it verbally, requires the resignation of a lost argument.
OR
an AGENDA
Beck is correct, America has a CHOICE to make.
Report Post »longhorn mama
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 1:43am@watchmany2k
Report Post »You should have also read my posted reply directed at peraslax. You would know I do not think violence is the answer now or that violence in the future would likely be beneficial.
I don’t mention Ghandi because I am honest enough to admit I am not knowledgeable enough to comment on him. Too may people make assertions and opinions on events they know little about.
elfinmagic75
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 4:09pmGlenn is not coming out against the pastor. He is like he has been, he is wanting all the evidience before he makes his decision. He is the way the press should be, like he was with the firing of Sherrod. I believe the pastor meant well, but maybe should have thought how to phrase his words better. Perhaps leaving out the word violent, which is a little over the top. If he had said peaceful revolution it would have come across better, but he was talking about the American Revolution and how it had to resort to violence to come about. The difference is The English brought the war to us, not the other way around. We need to defend ourselves against the tyranny of the progressives, but need to be careful not to start the war.
Report Post »RRD
Posted on October 26, 2010 at 11:00amNothing wrong with what he said. Are we turning into what we fear the most? A bunch of liberal idiots afraid to face the facts and speak the truth no matter what pain it brings? Get off your high horse Glenn, it’s getting really old.
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