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Beck Tells You All You Need to Know About ‘Severely Conservative’ Paul Ryan

If you were to ask a member of Barack Obama’s campaign team who Paul Ryan is, you‘d most likely be pointed in the direction of the president’s official website, which has a section dedicated to discrediting the rising GOP superstar.

Obama campaign strategists have constructed yet again, the familiar narrative of a conservative who seeks to abolish Medicare thereby leaving seniors without health coverage, revoke “women’s rights,” slash funding on education, and of course, issue tax cuts to millionaires at the expense of the middle class. It is perhaps not shocking, however, that the Left has engaged in the same hackneyed memes it always has irrespective of who is in the hot-seat.

Nonetheless, Obama’s campaign website boldly declares Paul Ryan’s “extreme” top-down budget plan “a sham” and posits that both he and Mitt Romney ”support trillions in budget-busting tax cuts for millionaires that will result in tax hikes on the middle class and deep cuts in education and other investments we need to grow.” What’s more, Obama strategists declare that Ryan’s plan would “gut” middle class investments, end Medicare “as we know it,” and of course, rob seniors out their retirements by privatizing Social Security.

Of course, no Democratic attack would be complete without accusing Republicans of being “out of touch,“ with ”most American values.”  In this instance, Ryan is accused of holding backwards views on women’s health and equal rights. Among the Obama campaign’s many claims, is that Ryan seeks to ban in-vitro fertilization, potentially “all abortions” and “many common forms of birth control, including the pill.” Ryan, according to the Obama camp, also voted against the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, “which helps women fight for equal pay for equal work.”  He was assailed on his stance on same-sex marriage as well.

Beck Tells You All You Need to Know About Severely Conservative Paul Ryan

During his Monday evening broadcast, Glenn Beck reviewed the most pressing questions surrounding the seasoned Wisconsin congressman and divulged the fact, rather than fiction-based version of Ryan’s various policy platform.

Let the attacks begin

From Russell Simmons’ recent tweet that a Romney-Ryan ticket ”will destroy our people,“ to recently surfaced high school yearbook entries dubbing Ryan ”most likely to brown-nose;” from CNN’s bizarre report that the Wisconsin congressman did not wear a necktie to an event, to Candy Crowley’s announcement that some GOP members consider Romney’s choice a “death wish,” Beck observed that the Left and the media are already doubling down on their attacks against the rising conservative star.

He also noted the absurdity in the Left’s claim that Ryan wants to “kill” the elderly, “attack women” and “hurt the poor.” Beck believes that Americans will see, once the dust has settled, that Ryan is the type of leader the country needs at this tenuous time.

By placing Ryan on the ticket, Romney has, to Beck, forced Obama to address the economy. Since the president will clearly seek to assail Ryan over his budget plan, it will be difficult to avoid tackling the issue from all angles, and in all its complexity. Beck pointed out that while congressmen spoke only of cutting  $30-$60 billion, Ryan was the one who upped the ante to trillions. Beck then went point for point on the most prevalent Ryan attacks Americans will be hearing leading up to the election, beginning with his “extreme budget.”

“Extreme Budget”

Beck explained that the president runs up record deficits each year by adding new entitlements and expanding existing ones.

“Don’t you think we need something extreme?”

Unlike the “whimsical promises” of a green economy, Beck posited that Ryan’s was the first serious budget proposal to actually address the gravity of the economic situation in America. The plan seeks to privatize mortgage leviathans Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, cut $100 billion in pork barrel spending, simplify the tax code, reduce the corporate tax rate to 25 percent and reform Medicare just to name a few. The Ryan Budget seeks to reduce spending by more than $5 trillion over 10 years. Thus, by some standards, perhaps the plan is “extreme” — although many could argue that it is so in the best possible way.

While Ryan’s budget may be criticized, however, President Obama‘s budget couldn’t even garner a single vote, losing 414-0 in the House and 99-0 in the Senate. At the end of the day, Beck believes that it took courage for Ryan to come up with plan for which he knew he would be demonized. What’s more, the Ryan Budget was in fact co-sponsored by Oregon Democrat Ron Wyden.

Again, Beck lauded Ryan for being the “only adult in the room” to tackle the budget crisis head on. And in this case, it would seem a Democrat who was willing to put aside party politics to actually address a serious issue in the most effective way possible is as well.

\Medicare “as we know it” is doomed to failure, which begs the question: Why is it terrible to banish Medicare the way we know it? Yet while the Obama campaign seeks to scare the elderly into thinking that they will be abandoned without health care when they are ill, the Ryan budget seeks to privatize the current entitlement, which is fiscally unsustainable on its current trajectory. Beck noted that leaving Medicare untouched would ironically destroy the program.

Currently, government decides which benefits and services are covered by Medicare, as well as what price it is willing to pay for said benefits. Ryan’s plan would have government decide on a total sum of money to provide each beneficiary then let those beneficiaries decide which insurance plans they can employ for coverage, thus allowing the market, not bureaucrats to set the price.

Next, Beck tackled the claim that Ryan is a social conservative who wants to take away women’s rights — an assertion Democrats latched on to for the Congressman’s support of the “Sanctity of Human Life Act” which deems life begins at fertilization. Also, the legislation would not ban contraception.

In terms of tax cuts for the wealthy, this has always been the cornerstone of the Democratic platform and is one that would surely be waged on just about any Republican contender to enter the ring.

At one point during the broadcast, Beck aired clips of Ryan responding to different points of interest and expressing his stance on various platforms, from how rights come “from God” to American exceptionalism; from his harsh critiques of Timothy Geithner to his vow to remove barriers that would prevent people from becoming successful in their endeavors.

“I don’t worry about people who are already rich,” Ryan stated. “I’m worried about getting people to become successful, removing those barriers so that people who have never seen success before can actually become successful. And when you keep raising all these tax rates, all these regulatory barriers on successful small businesses, how are we going to get the jobs of tomorrow? This redistribution idea, of pitting people against each other, does not work, it’s divisive, and it hardly gives us the kind of attitude we want for businesses to take risks so they can succeed in the future.”

And since the topic of debate currently stems so ardently around health care, Beck was sure to include Ryan‘s responses both to Obamacare and the Supreme Court’s ruling on its individual mandate. Ryan asserted that representatives who think Americans want a government takeover of health care simply are “not listening” to their constituents.

“We need to reclaim our American system of limited government, low taxes, reasonable regulations, and sound money, which has blessed us with unprecedented prosperity,” Ryan began in another clip.

“And it has done more to help the poor than any other economic system ever designed. That’s the real secret to job creation – not borrowing and spending more money in Washington. Limited government and free enterprise have helped make America the greatest nation on earth. These are not easy times, but America is an exceptional nation.”

 

Comments (246)

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  • Brother Winston Smith
    Posted on August 14, 2012 at 1:16am

    What can Beck “tell me” about this:
    Paul Ryan sold shares on same day as private briefing of banking crisis
    http://www.dailypaul.com/248851/uh-oh-ryan-sold-shares-on-same-day-as-private-briefing-on-banking-crisis

    This is considered INSIDER TRADING… RIGHT?!?!?!?!

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    • Verceofreason
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 1:30am

      Silly silly article.
      The ‘familiar narrative’ is 100% factual and true.

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    • A_GUY_FROM_WNC
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 1:32am

      @ BWS

      Ron Paul is not the answer….we the American people are…..period. Suppose he proposes ALL that you want. Does he have the support to pull it off? NO!! It would be a lame duck presidency, but he would have the “best intentions” indeed.

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    • TrueSoundsOfLiberty
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 1:36am

      Although it would not surprise me if this were true, it’s recently been debunked.
      http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/paul-ryan-insider-trading-rumor-quickly-debunked.php

      However, even if it were true it would still not be illegal, because Congress had been exempt from insider trading laws until recently (even though the new rules are weak).
      http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/23/us/politics/insider-trading-ban-for-lawmakers-clears-congress.html

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    • RossPoldark
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 2:21am

      Geez, you again? RON PAUL Lost get over it. Get life, stop being bitter. Suck it up and move on. Enough of this Oh the sky is falling scenario. Goodness gracious!

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    • Brother Winston Smith
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 2:22am

      A_GUY_FROM_WNC DISSECTED….

      LIE:
      “Ron Paul is not the answer”
      TRUTH:
      He is THE ONLY “ANSWER” who can beat Obama and DO ANYTHING to begin the restoration of Constitutional sanity.

      GIBBERISH:
      “we the American people are”
      TRUTH:
      Your gibberish has inadvertently ANSWERED YOUR NEXT QUESTION…

      QUESTION:
      “Does he have the support to pull it off?”
      TRUTH:
      YES. True, the Congressional republicans are leftists and have NO INTENTION of restoring Constitutional law, but Ron Paul HAS THE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The AMERICAN PEOPLE will help him “get things done” just like they helped him with the Audit the Fed bill. They will DEMAND that Paul’s objectives are accomplished!

      LIE:
      “but he would have the “best intentions” indeed.”
      TRUTH:
      Ron Paul’s career has been UNWAVERING ACTION! Romney, Ryan and Obama’s FAILED, LEFTIST POLITICAL CAREERS were ALL paved with “best intentions.”

      Brother Winston Smith  
    • BryanB
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 2:26am

      @A_GUY_FROM_WNC

      When you dealing with National Socialist (Nazi’s) like Ron Paul and his supporters, the only thing they ever think of is themselves and what there going to get.

      They never see you or your family and their needs, you are just in their way. Ron Paul and his supporters only seek power and control, to stand over you with and Iron Fist.

      As you can tell by their comments, Ron Paul and his supporters don’t beleive in Freedom of Speech for everyone, they must dominate and coerce the conversation.

      And not one of your Freedoms and Liberitys are secure with Ron Paul or his supporters……….

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    • TEXASGRANNY73
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 11:27am

      @BryanB Have you considered these comments may not come from supporters of Ron Paul rather they are jive turkeys detracting and changing the scenario? You know jive talk telling us lies?

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    • ChristmanWalking
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 11:30am

      @BWS & all the Ron Pauler’s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      If 2nd Place is the First Loser theeeennnnn… What would that make Ron Paul.

      Put down the Kool Aid, admit “RP IS NOT” in the running, say it, RP IS NOT in the running…and at least help defeat Obama…Please???

      It’s like being the fan of a team that lost in the playoffs, of any sport, and still, months after the Finals, you still say, WE’RE THE BETTER TEAM… “WE’RE THE ANSWER!!!” Grow Up.

      If you don’t… then you are worse than Obama, and Ron Paul supporters will be just like Perot supporters…Spoilers!!! You know better. Or, you don’t like America Either… Which one is it?

      Please!!!

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    • A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 11:48am

      @ChristmanWalking,

      “Put down the Kool Aid, admit “RP IS NOT” in the running, say it, RP IS NOT in the running…and at least help defeat Obama…Please???”

      I thought Kool Aid drinkers were those who did things just because others were doing them – like voting for Romney because you think most others will, too.

      And even if he weren’t in the running for the GOP nomination – which he is – the race isn’t over until November; at which time I will write Ron Paul in, if I have to.

      See here.

      Media Says Ron Paul Wins Six States, Qualifying for Nomination. Romney Breaks Rules to Deny Speaking Slot.
      http://ralphlopez.hubpages.com/hub/Media-Reports-Ron-Paul-Wins-Five-States-to-Qualify-for-Nomination-Romney-Tries-to-Deny-Speaking-Slot

      (continued)

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    • The_Cabrito_Goat
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 11:55am

      Anybody played Mass Effect 3? Paulbots are Cerberus, the blaze is the Alliance, and progressives are the reapers.

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    • A_GUY_FROM_WNC
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 12:02pm

      @BWS

      If he had the support he wouldn’t have lost, yet he lost= not enough support. Not enough folks in Congress would support it either.

      We are trying to get rid of a dictator…..do you want “the right kind” of dictator to bypass everything.

      Be careful, because the power you give the good cops, the bad cops get as well……

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    • A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 12:07pm

      (continued)

      @ChristmanWalking,

      “It’s like being the fan of a team that lost in the playoffs, of any sport, and still, months after the Finals, you still say, WE’RE THE BETTER TEAM… “WE’RE THE ANSWER!!!” Grow Up.”

      We’re not losing; We’re being cheated. There‘s no way in hell I’m going to let someone pick my vote for me.

      See here.

      Media asks: Where Is Ron Paul? – Youtube answers
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYFWOyCevYA

      And here.

      Indecision 2012 – Corn Polled Edition – Ron Paul & the Top Tier
      Even when the media does remember Ron Paul, it’s only to reas*****sure themselves that there’s no need to remember Ron Paul.
      (Remove asterisks.)
      http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-15-2011/indecision-2012—corn-polled-edition—ron-paul—the-top-tier

      And here.

      St. Charles County Caucus RIGGED As Admitted on Talk Radio By Dokes
      http://www.dailypaul.com/221947/st-charles-county-caucus-rigged-as-admitted-on-talk-radio-by-dokes

      And here.

      Bryan Spencer Speaks about Rigging St. Charles Caucus
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuQIMfMVMYg

      (continued)

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    • DLV
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 12:57pm

      the cabrito goat- hahaha I love your analogy. Cerberus is pretty much RP supporters although I don’t know if RP supporters are trying to control the progressives as Cerberus wanted to do with the reapers. I loved the game except for the ending, it… was… awful. I felt empty by the time it finished even with the extended cut. ME2 is still my favorite.

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    • jsciai
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 1:34pm

      Bro. Wynston Smythe digested:

      It’s on the way!

      R P’s endorsement of

      Romney/Ryan is just

      around the corner.

      See http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/Decoder-Wire/2012/0612/Is-Ron-Paul-maybe-getting-ready-to-endorse-Mitt-Romney

      I’ve been saying this for

      a while now. Ron Paul

      will endorse the Romney ticket.

      Lie:

      Ron Paul’s actions are predetermined by the paulbot hoard

      Fact:

      Paul isn’t an idiot. He knows the nation cannot stand for another 4 years of obama

      Lie:

      Bro wynston thinks he’s getting some type of message across

      Fact:

      Beeeeellllccchhhhh!!!!!

      Lie:

      Winny thinks his posting style is clever

      Fact:

      Yawn.

      Romney/Ryan 2012

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    • IsThereADifference
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 2:10pm

      You people are PROGRESSIVES!!! Deal with it. Your candidates are PROGRESSIVES. You are playing a rigged game and your complacency is sickening. You keep up your good works of kicking the can down the road. The people who have principals will vote for candidates with principals. You can call Ron Paul supporters Nazis and every other childish names you want and it will not change the fact that you are all PROGRESSIVE SCHMUCKS that goes especially for you PIG BOY.

      I am going to laugh my ass off when your savior Mitt Romney loses this race. There is major infighting in the Republican party because Romney is NOT a constitutionally sound candidate. He is a damn progressive/rhino who FLIP-FLOPS ALL OVER THE F-ING PLACE in order to stay in power. The REAL voters know this and are sick and tired of seeing them rule our country. If the GOP really cared about winning this race they would not have jammed this sycophantic progressive/Rhino down our throats.

      There now go back to sleep you f-ing dipshits.

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    • Marine25
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 2:16pm

      Ryan voted against right to choose, Planned Parenthood, equal pay for women and opposes contraception? That may make Blazers happy, I’ll bet the great majority of women in this nation are not going to be happy when they hear this, and oh will they hear this. Ryan scares the crap out of seniors and women, Obama has black, latino, youth, and college graduate vote locked up, can’t anyone in the GOP do the math? Wasn’t Sarah Palin proof enough that a VP pick to excite the kool-aid drinkers and confound everyone else is a really bad idea?

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    • ConservativeMajority
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 2:48pm

      I love how the Ron Paul fanatics always wanna convict everyone of fraud as if Ron Paul is just squeaky clean. Ron Paul gets earmarks put in bills, and knowing there are enough votes to pass those bills without his vote he will vote “no” and still get the earmarks. Thus, leaving his “record” intact. There‘s a reason it’s called politicking.

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    • DLV
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 4:00pm

      Isreadthediff- No Ryan is not a progressive, you’ve just been brainwashed, deal with it. He has said repeatedly that he fights against progressvism one time in an interview with Beck. Just because Ryan has voted for a couple less than admirable things doesnt make him a progressive. I think I‘ll stick with Ryan’s word that he is not a progressive over your flaming statements with no proof. His voting record, while not squeaky clean doesnt mean he is a progressive/socialist that’s a huge jump and he is no reason to lie, he would only harm himself if he lied and he is smart enough to know that. I did my own research on Ryan and like I said, he disagreed with a couple of his votes but I agree with him on most things. He is very pro-gun. Social conservative and he is for a free market economy he has said it multiple times. But whatever, continue believing what you believe, I know if I’m curious I do my own homework.

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    • Thinking Man
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 4:17pm

      BryanB
      You clearly don’t know anything about Ron Paul. I’d suggest you read and listen to him before you start making comments. He is about freedom.

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    • IsThereADifference
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 4:59pm

      DLV; Let me do your research for you since you felt inclined to omit it from your reply. Paul Ryan is as progressive as they come. He voted in favor of CISPA the NDAA and TARP; ALL OF THEM SIGNED INTO LAW BY OBAMA. He also supports amnesty for Illegals. This is PROGRESSIVISM if you cant see that then “whatever”…

      Stand up and be proud to be a PROGRESSIVE.

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    • supermansdad
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 5:46pm

      Oh Dear Brother Smith.

      If you put your faith in ANY man, even the revered Ron Paul then you are sorely mistaken and prove the point from WNC.

      The truth of the old “less of two evils” argument is that no matter whom is on the ticket he/she is still evil. The problem is Paulbots, like the OWS, Naderbots and Obama faithful, don’t understand this. Most believe one man/woman can be the next Jesus. Here’s a clue: Jesus is the next Jesus.

      And neither Paul, Nader nor Obummer are the next George Washington. Washington imposed a selective TAX on citizens to pay for the Revolution then when they refused to pay up he personally lead troops into BATTLE against the law breakers. According to Paulian theory Washington was commiting an unconstutional act. It would also be wrong.

      I get it, Romney isn’t perfect, but unlike a Paulbot, I don’t expect him to be so.

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    • iDeStroyFakeComPuterTroLLS
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 6:09pm

      Ron Paul is running and won 11 states, which makes him on the ballot in Tampa. It’s nice to see people keep listening to what the media tells you.

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    • DLV
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 6:32pm

      Isread- apparently, you didn’t read what I said. NO I’m not a progressive, if I was I’d say it and unless you know me more than I know me like brother winston did for lameliberals, you‘re an idiot telling me what I believe especially when you don’t know my first name. I ADDRESSED Ryan’s voting record and said that I disagreed with a few things BUT!!!!! that does not make him a progressive/socialist. You really need to do your research on Ryan, he fights against progressivism and you didn’t counter any of my statements about Ryan. He just did an interview with Briet Baier and set the record straight on several things. I’d suggest watching it. I’m about as conservative- libertarian as they come without being extreme, so yeah,stuff it! All I said was that him voting for those things doesn’t make him a progressive, look up the definition. a progressive/socialist tries to expand the government, redistribute wealth and more often than not get rid of God. Ryan does not fit in any of the three things listed, he is not a socialist. I‘ll take his word and actions on his beliefs over yours anyday just like I’d take your word on your beliefs and actions over anyone else who says otherwise about you. Straighten up Pal! ;)

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    • DLV
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 7:15pm

      Also here is a record of Paul Ryan on spending and more. This should answer some questions.

      http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Profiles/House/Wisconsin/Paul_Ryan/Views/Debt,_Deficit,_Spending,_and_the_Size_of_Government/

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    • bumfuzeled
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 7:34pm

      OMG he acted just like ALL other congressmen, how dare he.

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    • DLV
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 7:45pm

      I would encourage anyone who wants to view the voting record or the stances of candidates to go to the politicalguide.com. It tells you everything you want to know on senators and congressmen.

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    • loneindividual
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 7:49pm

      Winston, Democrats were doing it hardcore as well. Republicans would overwhelming lose every election unless they have money enough to buy time for ads.

      But point taken: To Moderate Virtue is oxymoronic and contradictory.

      To sacrifice Virtue is to give up on Truth.

      I agree. Still are not Ryans policy plans just as noteworthy?

      ps: Don’t get all RAPTURE UTOPIAN on me. When everything ends….everything will stay dead. Nothing will rise from the ashes of America.

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    • sophillyjimmy
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 12:46am

      It could be considered inside trading Smith but what Pelosi does is not considered as inside trading, it is inside trading but for some unknown reason, I don’t hear you liberal sugar teet mouth mentioning that when it is a fact but you are quick to mention something about Ryan that COULD be considered inside trading.
      Same shyte, different day for a typical liberal.
      Now just to see if you pay attention, is the death of Officer Brian Terry something that could be considered as a crime on the part of AG Eric Holder or is it a fact that it is multiple crimes committed by AG Holder such as VOFA, involuntary manslaughter, international gun smuggling just to name a few?
      What do you think Smith?

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    • ChristmanWalking
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 1:04pm

      @Docs Labor and Paulers!

      Not to repeat myself, but….

      “…..If you don’t(Support Romney)… then you are worse than Obama, and Ron Paul supporters will be just like Perot supporters…Spoilers!!! You know better. Or, you don’t like America Either… Which one is it?”

      If what you say is true, and Paul wins the small amount of states to get on the ballot….theeeeen the same small amount of people that voted for him will vote for him again, minus some who woke up…theeeeeeen… Paul is still a LOSER!!!! And he may take votes away from Romney…then…

      OBAMA WINS!!!!!

      Yeah for all you Paulers’…. Praise Paul!!!!!…oh, or is the APPAULERS’!!!!

      Oh, you sent me your cute little Pro Paul article…so… here’s one for you…Enjoy while you‘re probably in your mother’s basement. I said Probably… Again, GROW UP!!!

      http://deni-edwards.hubpages.com/hub/Earth-to-Ron-Paul-Supporters-Come-in-Ron-Paul-Supporters

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  • riseandshine
    Posted on August 14, 2012 at 1:09am

    “Beck tells you all you need to know”….lol..ok.

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  • GazpachoSoup00
    Posted on August 14, 2012 at 12:46am

    Thank you Ron Paul supporters and Libertarians. As a classical liberal, the Libertarian movement is one I admire, and in many ways agree with. The truth, whether you like it or not, is that Beck, as well as many of his fans here, are also quite Libertarian themselves.

    I have seen it suggested that Beck, his fans and for the same reasons, Rand Paul are sellouts because they have thrown their support behind the “progressive” Romney/Ryan ticket. They are NOT sellouts. They are REALISTS!

    Ron Paul can’t win.
    How can I say this?
    If Ron Paul could “smash” the Marxist Obama in the general election as several have suggested, surely he should have made short work of the “progressive” Romney. But he didn’t. Despite what you want to believe, He doesn’t have the support.

    Conspiracy you say?
    Shouldn’t the sound logic of the Libertarian argument trump conspiracies? If Paul could not defeat the Romney/Ryan “conspiracy”, how do you think he would have fared against Obama’s legions?

    People are just too blind to get behind the Ron Paul Revolution you say?
    You’re right! This stands as by far the most damning evidence that you have not won the intellectual battle!!

    If you choose to protest the two-party system with your vote, so be it. Don’t pretend that those of us who do otherwise are to blame. The first term of Romney/Ryan gives you at least four more years to make your case to the American people!

    The second term of the Marxist Obama will destroy

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    • GazpachoSoup00
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 1:05am

      That was supposed to read:

      –The second term of the Marxist Obama will destroy us!!

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    • Brother Winston Smith
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 1:06am

      GazpachoSoup00 DISSECTED…

      LIE
      “Beck, as well as many of his fans here, are also quite Libertarian themselves.”
      TRUTH:
      Beck, as well as many of his fans here, are FAKE-conservative/libertarian. They POSE as such, so as to coax weak-minded voters to vote leftist Establishment GOP, by APPEARING as pragmatic “realists.”

      LIE:
      “They are NOT sellouts. They are REALISTS!”
      TRUTH:
      They are sellouts. Particular glaring evidence is the FACT that Ron Paul supporters have caught through the UNPRECEDENTED GOP CHEATING to WIN the States needed for nomination in Tampa.

      LIE:
      “Ron Paul can’t win.”
      TRUTH:
      Ron Paul can win.
      
LIE:
      “surely he should have made short work of the “progressive” Romney. But he didn’t.”
      TRUTH:
      NOBODY is nominated yet – so NOBODY HAS “BEATEN” ANYONE. But it’s been difficult for Ron Paul to compete on a level playing field because of the MSM BLACKOUT, MSM CAMPAIGNING for Romney, GOP CHEATING, Romney’s MILLIONS in TARPED-UP croni-capitalist bribe money, lies, smears, rumor-mongering, punching, false arrests, etc, etc.

      LIE:
      “He doesn’t have the support.”
      TRUTH:
      Paul is LOVED. Romney is HATED and “supported” ONLY by FAKE-conservative Boomers and Establishment GOP.

      “The first term of (MARXIST) Romney/Ryan“ IS IDENTICAL TO ”The second term of the Marxist Obama”

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    • LameLiberals
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 1:14am

      Agreed

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    • A_GUY_FROM_WNC
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 1:28am

      Well said. It took time to get here…..it will take time to undo this mess as well. I like Ron Paul but he has his faults as well, like they all do. Ron Paul has voted for his “fair share” of pork spending.

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    • A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 1:30am

      “If Ron Paul could “smash” the Marxist Obama in the general election as several have suggested, surely he should have made short work of the “progressive” Romney. But he didn’t. Despite what you want to believe, He doesn’t have the support.
      “Conspiracy you say?”

      If the GOP and the media didn’t think Ron Paul could win, why do they black him out and break the GOP rules?

      See here.

      Media asks: Where Is Ron Paul? – Youtube answers
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYFWOyCevYA

      And here.

      Indecision 2012 – Corn Polled Edition – Ron Paul & the Top Tier
      Even when the media does remember Ron Paul, it’s only to reas*****sure themselves that there’s no need to remember Ron Paul.
      (Remove asterisks.)
      http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-15-2011/indecision-2012—corn-polled-edition—ron-paul—the-top-tier

      And here.

      St. Charles County Caucus RIGGED As Admitted on Talk Radio By Dokes
      http://www.dailypaul.com/221947/st-charles-county-caucus-rigged-as-admitted-on-talk-radio-by-dokes

      And here.

      Bryan Spencer Speaks about Rigging St. Charles Caucus
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuQIMfMVMYg

      And here.

      Media Says Ron Paul Wins Six States, Qualifying for Nomination. Romney Breaks Rules to Deny Speaking Slot.
      http://ralphlopez.hubpages.com/hub/Media-Reports-Ron-Paul-Wins-Five-States-to-Qualify-for-Nomination-Romney-Tries-to-Deny-Speaking-Slot

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    • grayling646
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 2:24am

      Anyone who thinks Ron Paul has a chance is just simply an idiot.

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    • GazpachoSoup00
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 2:32am

      @Brother Winston Smith

      You have anointed yourself the “Truth Police” have you?
      Your little “Truth/Lie” statement lists are cute.

      Are you sure you have the truth on your side?

      Ron Paul is a capitalist and a Constitutionalist. I like Ron Paul. I like Rand Paul better. He’s a better salesman.
      Yes, Ron Paul is loved…by those who love him. By extension he is also hated by those who hate him.
      That’s a stupid argument. You can do better than that Smith.

      Have a majority of the American people purchased what Ron Paul is selling?
      He has been selling his wares for several elections now hasn’t he?
      Has he won the nomination of one of the major parties?

      Now I do fully realize that you reject the two-party system, but, if I may borrow Ayn Rand, “Existence Exists”. The machine is what it is. It took awhile to build and it will take awhile to tear down. You have failed to change it thus far. It will not change in this election cycle.
      Does Ron Paul have the backing of the machine?
      Can he win right now without it?

      The biggest problem that you have Smith is that you are a terrible salesman. You are confrontational, condescending and myopic. Your arguments are terse, and childish. I suggest you alter your tactics. If you believe that the truth is on your side (I‘m not saying it isn’t), then you must find a better way to sell it. I hope you do.

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    • Brother Winston Smith
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 2:45am

      A_GUY_FROM_WNC (aka GazpachoSoup00, aka LameLiberals) DISSECTED…

      FAKE-CONSERVATIVE GIBBERISH:
      “It took time to get here…..it will take time to undo this mess as well.”
      FAKE-CONSERVATIVE GIBBERISH OBJECTIVE:
      This is a standard propaganda tactic implemented to FALSELY lower expectations and TRICK the targets into concentrating on LATER elections and LATER “victories” THAT NEVER, EVER COME. This propaganda was also use in 08… and it went a lil‘ sumpn’ like this – “we MUST hold are nose and vote for McCain NOW… but we‘ll get’em in 2012! Rome wasn’t built in a day.” REMEMBER THAT?!?!?!?!

      LIE:
      “I like Ron Paul”
      TRUTH:
      FAKE-conservative always include a line like this to give the FALSE impression that they are supporters, but practical voters who have resigned themselves to “reality.” You can always spot this gibberish, because it is followed with a “but.”

      BUT:
      “he has his faults as well, like they all do.”
      TRUTH:
      Ron Paul has a STIRLING VOTING RECORD, UNWAVERING INTEGRITY and little, IF ANY “faults.” To position him as a common politician is LAUGHABLE.

      BOLD-FACED LIE:
      “Ron Paul has voted for his “fair share” of pork spending.”
      TRUTH:
      Ron Paul HAS NEVER VOTED FOR PORK. He relays his CONSTITUENTS’ REQUESTS (his job as rep) BUT NEITHER SUPPORTS NOR VOTES FOR ANY PORK.

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    • GazpachoSoup00
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 3:14am

      There was no “but” in my statement Winston.

      Are you calling me a liar?
      You don’t even know me.

      You haven’t answered my questions either.
      “DISSECTING” doesn’t count.

      To win in this election cycle, Ron Paul will have to run against the GOP machine and the Marxist Obama. The GOP machine has picked its’ candidate. That won’t change now. You obviously disagree with their choice. It’s not my best choice either. The only way for Ron Paul to run is to abandon the machine. If he cannot achieve absolute allegiance from the GOP voters, he will split the vote and guarantee the Marxist Obama’s victory. Even if you could convince me, do you think he can pull of such a miracle before November?

      Are you assuming that Marxist Obama voters will jump ship? Don’t be naive. Are you assuming that the people you enjoy insulting will all jump for Paul (good rhyme huh)?

      The primary season is when you must win the argument. Like it or not, primary season is over.

      Your sales tactics are still awful. Sell me man!

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    • GazpachoSoup00
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 3:30am

      One last thought before I hit the sack Winston.

      Why even bother caring now? The GOP robbed Ron Paul of his rightful nomination. Romney/Ryan and the Marxist Obama are exactly the same correct? That means the destruction of America is certain. Even if I vote for him, Ron Paul will not win. The fix is in. What say we all meet at the local watering hole, throw back the beverage of our choice and toast the twilight of America?

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    • A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 11:04am

      @GazpachoSoup00,

      This issue of earmarks is misunderstood by a lot of people.

      The definition of “earmark” does not entail “stuffing” or adding to Appropriations Bills, in any way. Rather, what “earmark” means is to “designate” any money that will be taken from the Treasury, IF the Bill passes.

      See, Constitutionally, no money can be taken from the Treasury except through Appropriations Bills.

      See here.

      US Constitution, Article 1, Section 9

      “No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.”

      So the way this works is the House decides ahead of time how much money they want to withdraw from the Treasury.

      After they have decided how much to withdraw, THEN they go through the process of earmarking (“designating”) portions of the money to specific purposes. This is an amendment process.

      Any “pork stuffing” happens before the formal earmarking process, when they’re deciding how much money to withdraw.

      Something else to consider is that Constitutionally, only the House gets to decide where money is spent. But our govt isn’t currently following the Constitution, and, if any money isn’t earmarked, it will be used as a slush fund by the Executive Branch.

      See here.

      Earmarks Don’t Add Up
      http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul513.html

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    • A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 11:33am

      @GazpachoSoup00,

      So, Ron Paul will earmark Approriations Bills, like he’s required to do, and to keep the Executive Branch from using any unearmarked withdrawals as a slush fund.

      But if he doesn’t like the Appropriations Bill (which is often the case), then he’ll vote against it.

      He thinks that our government spends too much, as it is; So he has voted against most of them.

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    • GazpachoSoup00
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 3:19pm

      @A DOCTORS LABOR IS NOT MY RIGHT

      I appreciate your more reasoned arguments. Your style is more palatable than Brother Smith’s.

      I would not presume to tell you how to vote. That is your right and your responsibility.

      If you assume, as Winston clearly has, that I am your ideological enemy, then you are guilty of the same prejudice. I did not speak in the terms and with the language that the Zealot Smith requires, so he attacked me. The only mention I made of my political leanings was to indicate that I consider myself a Classical Liberal. Are you a Libertarian? Shouldn’t you appreciate my position?

      I also indicated that I do not believe that Ron Paul can win in this election cycle. I did not say that I disagree with Ron Paul, but his supporters here have rallied to castigate me just the same. If you must know, I am probably 90-95% on board with Mr. Paul and my differences are matters of Constitutional interpretation, not love of liberty.

      The intellectual argument that Paul is fighting has not been won. There is movement out there, the tide is changing, but the battle is far from over. Winston rejects the idea that it will take time. Do you? Do you believe that decades of progressive thought can be wiped out in one election? Do you believe that decades of progressive policy can be wiped out in one Presidency (even if its’ Paul)?

      Keep up the fight! Remember, you must win hearts and minds! Unfortunately, the truth isn’t enough. You will have t

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  • A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
    Posted on August 14, 2012 at 12:37am

    “The Ryan Budget seeks to reduce spending by more than $5 trillion over 10 years.”

    $5 trillion over 10 years is only $500 billion per year, and the amount we are over budget (the deficit), as of July of this year, is $974 billion per year, and is projected to reach $1 trillion.

    See here.

    U.S. budget deficit rises to $974B in July
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48623045

    So Paul Ryan’s plan STILL exceeds the budget by about $500 billion each year for 10 years, resulting in an increase in our debt of about $5 trillion (instead of about $10 trillion).

    That‘s coming out of our pockets once government works out how they’re going to shake us down for more taxes.

    This is not at all an “extreme” budget, as the Left makes it out to be; But it also does NOWHERE NEAR what the Right thinks it does.

    This is why Ron Paul says that Paul Ryan‘s budget doesn’t do much.

    See here.

    Ron Paul: Paul Ryan‘s budget doesn’t cut anything of substance – Cavuto, Fox Business
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHTEF3T31Tg

    Now, Ron Paul’s plan actually balances the budget in three years.

    See here.

    Ron Paul Announces Ambitious ‘Plan to Restore America’
    http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2011/10/17/ron-paul-announces-ambitious-%e2%80%98plan-to-restore-america%e2%80%99/

    Ron Paul 2012!

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  • Brother Winston Smith
    Posted on August 14, 2012 at 12:08am

    GOP 2012 voting blocks with Ron Paul:
    Youth
    Black
    Tea Party
    Liberty Movement
    Libertarians
    Constitutionalists
    UNCOMPROMISING conservatives
    Anti-war
    Anti-croni-capitalists
    Anti-“War on Drugs”
    Anti-police/surveillance state
    Tenthers
    Independents
    Third partiers
    Democrats
    DEFECTING 08 Obama voters
    Baby Boomers
    Republican Loyalists

    GOP 2012 voting blocks with Romney/Ryan:
    Baby Boomers
    Republican Loyalists

    PLEASE DO NOT SPLIT THE VOTES!!!!!!!
    Ron Paul 2012!

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    • Chrono_Sleuth
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 4:06am

      Yay…Beck speaketh down from the mountain a jumble of words that make an argument for why Marxists/Stalinists/Western Progressive socialism is upset over Nationalist/Neo-Con(why do so many conservatives fail to notice the significance of a name?)/Corporate Fascist socialism.

      A few points to add to your post:

      Black (Depends, hard group to read, not enough polling to say the GOP black vote spread, but good turn-out in Paul conventions)

      Tea Party (Dude…c’mon, at least half the groups are usurped by GOP hardliners, could be more but impossible to gauge especially with Media whitewashing, much of that thanks to Palin, most of those will likely vote Romney, especially with the Ryan “conservative” BS. The Doc might represent the Tea Party, but the Tea Party is a mixed bag, and I’ve seen a lot of the leadership make Neo-con statements going pro-war, pro-war on drugs, pro-patriot act just without warrantless wiretapping but all else is fine, etc. Beck is living proof how easy it is to turn members of a movement from facing one direction to another.)

      Independents (Second largest GOP group, two groups, first is represented by all the other small groups like Anti-War/on Drugs, second are moderates, the largest group who still believe in “compromise”, I see Romney for them :/)

      Third partiers (Eh, third partiers usually stick with their party, and the Green, progressive, party is still huge, I don’t see them ever voting Paul, but if Republican…Paul for sure)

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  • FatFreedom
    Posted on August 14, 2012 at 12:06am

    Beck would like to tell us “All we need to know” What arrogance!

    Sure there are some Becktarts that can’t think for themselves, but you are probably older, most people under 40 are more apt to do some research themselves, and we have found out that Glenn Beck does not always tell the whole truth….

    ..WARNING!!!
    The links below are true. Watching the links might hurt once own comfortable ignorance

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZEnV_-R-10&feature=BFa&list=PL9E61975B2A6C703A

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyHwXa6aQIs&feature=BFa&list=PL9E61975B2A6C703A

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3hDdvsCI24&feature=BFa&list=PL9E61975B2A6C703A

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDRVED30d68&feature=BFa&list=PL9E61975B2A6C703A

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5k45_15rnM&feature=BFa&list=PL9E61975B2A6C703A

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    • Patriot Mommy
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 12:59pm

      And is it true because you say so?

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    • DLV
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 1:10pm

      I really wish you would stop calling people becktarts, it makes you seem like a child calling another child a name, basically on par with “teabaggers.” I like Ron Paul sure, but again he can’t win, he seriously can’t win. If you believe that he can you’re kidding yourself. You gotta stop living in a fantasy world. Beck just tells it like it is, most of the time. Does he have his faults? yes. Like I believe, he spent too much time endorsing Romney when he should have focused more on his faults because he is a progressive-lite. This probab;y had to do with the fact they are mormons. Is it a mistake? Of course, but Beck‘s main goal and a lot of America’s main goal is to get Obama out of office and to think Paul can stand against the Obama Marxist machine is just…. silly.

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    • iDeStroyFakeComPuterTroLLS
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 6:10pm

      I wish people would stop calling us Paul Bots because we are people. Americans who want Freedom just like you.

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    • DLV
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 6:33pm

      I certainly don’t call you paulbots. I want freedom as you do. And while it’s windling away, you still have it but it may be gone if Obama is re-elected.

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  • Apatriot2
    Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:55pm

    I can’t believe what is happening here!! This reads more like a FAR LEFT site. What is getting in to you people? You all are blasting each other. Just remember ABO, we can deal with one way or another.

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    • woodyee
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 12:06am

      ?I don’t see it Patriot. I read a few Ron Paul acolytes here, but that’s it; perhaps they’re Obammy supporters behind the keyboard – I don’t know. I‘m of the strong opinion that we’re jelled pretty well, save for the Paul Ryan brigade and the few Lefties that come here to fish once in a while.

      CHEERS!

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    • Brother Winston Smith
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 12:07am

      It’s music to my ears…. it’s the sound of a lumbering, decrepit pachyderm… and it’s “fight” with a lumbering, decrepit donkey… fading… away…

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    • woodyee
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 12:18am

      @ Brother winston – you’re high, aren’t you? LOL!

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  • flipper1073
    Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:44pm

    I was going to post on this Story
    about what a stupid Phrase
    Severely Conservative is.
    I have been a Conservative for over 40 years
    Barry Goldwater an William F Buckley
    an later Ronald Reagan.
    But I have NEVER called/thought of myself as
    Severely Conservative !
    Severe to me means Bad or Harsh as in Severely Injured
    or Severely Impared.
    Are they saying they are Badly Conservative.?
    or Harshly Conservative ?
    But it’s just a Word Right ?

    Doesn’t make any difference this has turned
    into a Ron Paul Rant anyway.
    How would everyone like it if
    Someone came on every Story an
    Extoled the virtures of Newt Gingrich ?

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    • PoliticiansRCrooks
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:59pm

      Maybe us Paul Supporters are mad because you didn’t give Ron Paul a shot. Maybe you could have made him VP but Nooooo

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    • grayling646
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 12:09am

      Anyone promoting Newt as our candidate would be just as stupid as these zealots promoting Paul. Either of them has zero chance. Roll another one, dudes…..(that was for the Paul supporters).

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    • woodyee
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 12:12am

      @PoliticiansRCrooks (brother ain’t THAT right!)

      WE don’t give Ron Paul a chance?!? What are you drinking, man?!? We’re about 70 days from having to vote for a change or the status quo, and you‘re crying in your beer that we don’t give Paul a chance?!?

      Put down the mug and grab your battle-axe, my friend – there’ll be time enough for crying for Paul after Nov 6th! Right now and up until midnight Nov 6, we gots some political fighting to do!

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    • Ballot_Box_Revolution
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 1:14am

      ever since i was old enough to vote and understand politics I have been a “hard core” republican. I voted republican every time….I even defended the Patriot Act…touting the republican rhetoric at the time, that “If you don’t have anything to hide, and not a terrorist there is nothing to be worried about. And I truly did believe that at the time, and without thinking about what is being left behind for another leader to take control of…now I am sorry i ever defended it and fell for it. Anyways I have noticed that the republican party is just as bad as the democratic version. They both lie, they both cheat, they are both not worthy of anything. I see that the republican rhetoric has worked once again, when at the beginning of this race i never would have thought that us here at the blaze would fall for it. I have seen the people here slowly divide……and I am really starting to dislike the people of the republican party….

      Anyways…I do think Romney (more so the party than him) cheated to get the nomination. I don’t trust him, based on his history, and the crookedness of the republican party…But the Ryan pick….I DO think it was a great pick, and it just might get me to pull the lever for that ticket. I’m leaning towards yes, but from experience of this race so far, it could change at any min.

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 1:27am

      @Ballot,

      I too bought into the GWB/Karl Rove neo-con sales pitch. I’m pretty ashamed truth be told. I was sooo mad at what had happened, probably would have signed on to anything if I thought it led to Bin Laden at the end of a rope. I went out and rejoined the Army, voted GWB twice and defended all that mess in Iraq and the patriot act at home. I was naive. At least I’ve learned my lesson and can admit my faults.

      If youvote for Romney then so be it. I get the lesser of two evils thing. But if you vote 3rd party (Constitution or Libertarian) then you can sleep well at night too. But, I understand it’s much easier to vote 3rd party in TX than an say OH. I know that I can vote my conscience and the state won’t go to Obama. In Ohio? I don‘t know how I’d feel if my state went to the Kenyan over 1 vote. I’d hate that. But if I voted for Romeny and it ended up like the last foray into RINO-topia then I’d hate myself.

      Anyway, unlike some on both sides of the coin here I won’t beat you up on that decision. Good luck and Godspeed.

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 1:38am

      @Woodye,

      I’ll tell you what scares the hell out of me about voting for Romney/Ryan. First, they are what they are. On the record they are RINO’s. They are right of center but definitionally not conservative. Perhaps a less offensive John McCain if you will.

      The logic is that they are the antitdote to Obama’s craziness. That if we can get them in we can hold them accountable, pressure them, remind them of where their bread is buttered and demand that they behave as conservatives and not just Republicans. Fine, I get that.

      HOWEVER, the only experience I have is the 8 years of Bush. Not only did I not see my fellow republicans (I was registered GOP then) not push GWB to the right…they continually carried water for his polices. By the end it had gotten so bad, the staunchest had parted company. But for 7 years I saw fellow republicans defend him on the Iraq invasion, Medicare Part D, deficit expansion, patriot act, NSA warrantless spying, etc.

      What scares me worse than Romney is Obama.
      What scares me worse than Romney is the GOP. I haven’t seen any evidence that the rank and file republican voter can police a sitting POTUS. That is a huge leap to make that the same people trying to silence me when I rant about the legitimacy of the constitution are going to be the same people who will demand accountability from Romney, an admitted RINO. That’s a tough pill to swallow.

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  • LameLiberals
    Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:42pm

    Brother Winston Smith
    How can Ron Paul and Gary Johnson “End the Fed” when they cannot win?

    Accept it. The USA is full of progressives idiot voters on right & left. The republican party does NOT follow the Constitution any more than democrat party does. Both sides passed NDAA/Patriot Act, bailouts, Tarp, etc. including Paul Ryan AND Nancy Pelosi.

    As a Libertarian, it is amusing/pathetic to see republicans & democrats fight over “gov’t takeover of heathcare called ObamaCare” – then GOP nominates RomneyCare =SAME THING. It is height of hypocrisy for GOP to complain about “gov’t healthcare” but support Medicare/Medicaid & RomneyCare – which is GOV’T HEALTHCARE and claim to be be party of freedom but agree with using Govt to FORCE EVERYONE to pay into THEIR SS & their own government heathcare . The GOP CLAIMS to be follow the constitution but refuses to dismantle Jimmy Carter’s dept of education when education is CLEARLY written in the constitution to be a STATES ONLY issue not the feds.

    Until libertarians can convince SHEEPLE on right & left to give up their gov’t programs and CLOSE all the fed departments – the GOP/Dem SHEEPLE will -like the unions – vote for the party that gives them THEIR GOODIES.

    2012, I am voting for Paul Ryan half to see what he will do. If he wins on economy but continues to allow feds to erode our constitutional rights, it won’t matter. The Republic ends same as it would under Obama – just slower

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    • Brother Winston Smith
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 12:04am

      LameLiberals DISSECTED…

      STUPID, DISHONEST QUESTION:
      “How can Ron Paul and Gary Johnson “End the Fed” when they cannot win?”
      ANSWER:
      Ron Paul has patiently articulated his ideas of COMPETING CURRENCIES and a slow, stair-stepped “ending” of the PRIVATE “Federal” Reserve. And after he gets nominated in Tampa, he will get to work.
      OBSERVATION:
      Admittedly so… this is a talented propagandist. Notice how the propagandist is ROPING TOGETHER Paul and Johnson, as if their campaigns and platforms are similar… as if Paul is some exotic, oddball candidate like third party Johnson.

      TRUTH:
      “The republican party does NOT follow the Constitution any more than democrat party does.”
      QUESTION:
      Then why do you vote Establishment LEFTIST GOP?

      LIE:
      “As a Libertarian”
      TRUTH:
      You are Establishment GOP.

      STATED DESIRE:
      “CLOSE all the fed departments”
      SOLUTION:
      Ron Paul seeks to CLOSE 5 DEPARTMENTS: the Departments of Education, Commerce, Energy, Interior and Housing and Urban Development.

      Sounds like you’re a “libertarian” who’s “fed up” with the “status quo” and needs to get behind Ron Paul… right?

      Brother Winston Smith  
    • woodyee
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 12:17am

      Brother Winston, you don’t have to resort to calling him stupid because you disagree with him. Save that for our REAL domestic enemies? Thank you. Segue – You said Ron Paul is a “strict Constitutionalist”. Please cite your source(s).

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    • Brother Winston Smith
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 12:37am

      woodyee DISSECTED (he‘s feeln a lil’ left out)….

      LIE:
      “resort to calling him stupid”
      TRUTH:
      I called his question “stupid,” although I suspect MUCH WORSE – a DISHONEST attempt to APPEAR stupid.

      LIE:
      “because you disagree with him.”
      TRUTH:
      I do not “disagree” with him. I am DISSECTING his inaccuracies.

      “Save that for our REAL domestic enemies?”
      Based on the DHS… that’s Constitutional Libertarians… ME!

      STUPID QUESTION:
      “You said Ron Paul is a “strict Constitutionalist”. Please cite your source(s).”
      ANSWER:
      Well… you have 1. his voting record (ADHERENCE to the Constitution) , 2. his many INTRODUCED bills (to RESTORE the Constitution), 3. his many debates (DEFENDING the Constitution), 4. his many speeches (PROMOTING the Constitution). Need… more?

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    • woodyee
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 12:47am

      Yes. I need more. Make it worth my while by posting a link to where you get your information, because from now until after Nov. 7th, I will have no interest in doing any LENGTHY research on Ron Paul, other than what little I did today; the results were not impressive.

      Thank you.

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    • Brother Winston Smith
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 1:09am

      Okey-dokey, woodyee… here are some comparable vote. Paul’s are STRICT CONSTITUTIONALIST and the others are UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

      Obama – Amnesty (Dream Act)
      Romney – Amnesty (Dream Act)
      Ryan – Amnesty (Comprehensive Amnesty)
      Dr. Paul – NO AMNESTY

      Obama – TARP
      Romney – TARP
      Ryan – TARP
      Dr. Paul – Warned and warned AGAINST TARP

      Obama – Signed NDAA
      Romney – Would sign NDAA
      Ryan – Voted for NDAA
      Dr. Paul – REPEAL NDAA

      Obama – PRIVATE Federal Reserve
      Romney – PRIVATE Federal Reserve
      Ryan – PRIVATE Federal Reserve
      Dr. Paul – END THE FED.

      Obama – Nation-building
      Romney – Nation-building
      Ryan – Nation-building
      Dr. Paul – Nonintervention

      Obama – “Patriot” Act
      Romney – “Patriot” Act
      Ryan – “Patriot” Act
      Dr. Paul – Fourth Amendment

      Obama – Gungrabber (Endorsed handgun ban and limiting gun purchases)
      Romney – Gungrabber (Gun Control flip-flopper who SUPPORTED Brady)
      Ryan – Gungrabber (Voted to close the “gunshow loophole”)
      Dr. Paul – Second Amendment – Introduced legislation to repeal the “Brady Bill” and “Assault Weapons Ban.”

      Obama – Collectivist healthcare. (Obamacare)
      Romney – Collectivist healthcare (Romneycare)
      Ryan – Collectivist healthcare (Medicare Part D)
      Dr. Paul – Free-market healthcare

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    • DLV
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 1:22pm

      Brother- I’m sorry did I miss something? Are you God? How do you know what people are? You calling lameliberals an establishment GOP REALLY JUST SENT ME OVER THE EDGE! HOW DARE YOU! YOU DON’T KNOW HIM! AND IT IS POSSIBLE NOT TO BE AN ESTABLISHMENT GOP AND STILL LIKE RON PAUL BUT I CAN‘T SUPPORT HIM BECAUSE HE CAN’T WIN! Stop living in your fantasy world you are throwing vote in the fire. Again lameliberals said he is a libertarian and you NEED to take his word for it. I am a conservatie libertarian but your brainwashing rhetoric is offending me. I am not establishment GOP I see that, but I know that RP can’t win this time around. If RP can get votes next time he will be at the top of my list. You owe lameliberals a huge apology. You are sickening me and I’ve only been this made at people like Enicom. Be careful what you say. I respect your beliefs but your coming across ALL the wrong way.

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    • iDeStroyFakeComPuterTroLLS
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 6:15pm

      Seriously Romney guys… Do you just listen to what Beck tells you or Fox or do you actually look up their voting record?

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  • TheCalmOne
    Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:38pm

    Um, you do all know that Ryan is a big fan of one of the most famous atheists in history – Ayn Rand?

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    • FatFreedom
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:49pm

      So what! So was Greenspan.

      The fact is that Paul Ryan could have been OK as the President, without Mitt on the ticket.. The Romney camp are desparate… That is why they are cheating as much as the can before the convension to prevent Ron Paul to be on the ballot which he will be. Mitt “The Democrat” Romney realizes that as we all see there is absolutley NO movement behind him, he chose Paul Ryan, to try to fool the conservatives…

      The momentum is behind Liberty and Freedom, and Ron Paul, since he is the only one that would roll back the tyranny and the run away spending….

      Ron Paul 2012

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    • woodyee
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:53pm

      Obammy and his disciples are fans of godless Satan-worshipper Saul Alinsky, whose preface to Rules for Radicals reads thus –

      “Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins – or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom – Lucifer (Alinsky)”

      So what’s your point?

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    • TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:58pm

      He walked that back and rightly so.

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 1:16am

      @Time,

      So you are saying it is possible to read the thoughts of a person and be moved by some part of what they said but not be 100% aligned to everything they say?

      Say it isn’t so? /sarcasm

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    • encinom
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 1:09pm

      You can’t claim to be a good catholic, while you are on your knees worshiping at the altar of greed created by Ayn Rand. The Bishops have call Ryan out for his immoral budget.

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  • woodyee
    Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:36pm

    Re: RON PAUL
    Source – http://thatsmycongress.com/house/

    Score – Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX 14) Liberal Action Score: 31/100

    Conservative Action Score: 26/100

    Net Congressional Score: 5

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    • woodyee
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:41pm

      http://heritageactionscorecard.com/scorecard/index.html#P000583#member

      Gives Ron Paul a Score of 74%, the overall average (including Texas Dems) is 65%.

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    • Brother Winston Smith
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:48pm

      The REAL “score”….

      Obama – Amnesty (Dream Act)
      Romney – Amnesty (Dream Act)
      Ryan – Amnesty (Comprehensive Amnesty)
      Dr. Paul – NO AMNESTY

      Obama – TARP
      Romney – TARP
      Ryan – TARP
      Dr. Paul – Warned and warned AGAINST TARP

      Obama – Signed NDAA
      Romney – Would sign NDAA
      Ryan – Voted for NDAA
      Dr. Paul – REPEAL NDAA

      Obama – PRIVATE Federal Reserve
      Romney – PRIVATE Federal Reserve
      Ryan – PRIVATE Federal Reserve
      Dr. Paul – END THE FED.

      Obama – Nation-building
      Romney – Nation-building
      Ryan – Nation-building
      Dr. Paul – Nonintervention

      Obama – “Patriot” Act
      Romney – “Patriot” Act
      Ryan – “Patriot” Act
      Dr. Paul – Fourth Amendment

      Obama – Gungrabber (Endorsed handgun ban and limiting gun purchases)
      Romney – Gungrabber (Gun Control flip-flopper who SUPPORTED Brady)
      Ryan – Gungrabber (Voted to close the “gunshow loophole”)
      Dr. Paul – Second Amendment – Introduced legislation to repeal the “Brady Bill” and “Assault Weapons Ban.”

      Obama – Collectivist healthcare. (Obamacare)
      Romney – Collectivist healthcare (Romneycare)
      Ryan – Collectivist healthcare (Medicare Part D)
      Dr. Paul – Free-market healthcare

      Obama – REJECTS the Enumerated Powers and 10th Amendment
      Romney – REJECTS the Enumerated Powers and 10th Amendment
      Ryan – REJECTS the Enumerated Powers and 10th Amendment
      Dr. Paul – Strict Constitutionalist

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    • woodyee
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:55pm

      “Strict Constitutionalist”

      Please cite your source(s).

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    • PoliticiansRCrooks
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 12:01am

      Every body likes Ron Paul for different reasons. That is why he so GREAT. He takes Libertarians, Republicans, Conservatives, Democrats, even Liberals. The best way to defeat Obama is to do that.

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  • Redwing1
    Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:36pm

    Thanks for the responses to my questions.

    I can’t treat Ron Paul supporters like they are the hard left. They are not. Ron Paul has some good ideas and some not so good, in my opinion.

    Since Ron Paul is not on the ballot and Gary Johnson can’t win, is 4 more years of Obama better than 4 years of Romney? My answer can only be no. For some, a conundrum.

    If you tell me Johnson can win, you will instantly be dead to me. It is not possible at this point. Talk to me on this at the next election.

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    • iDeStroyFakeComPuterTroLLS
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:42pm

      No, I don’t like Gary Johnson because he is for Abortion. Plus I can actually agree with you that Gary Johnson can’t win. But Ron Paul can. I don’t want to hear he can never win because he can. You people listened to all the Fox Lies about Ron Paul and believed it.

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    • Redwing1
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 12:06am

      I destroy…..“you people” You put words into peoples mouths or assume too much, thus making you irrelevant. Your response proves you are not worth my time. You are one of the reasons people do not listen to Ron paul supporters. This is the last time I will respond to you. You destroy no one. You are dead to me.

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    • LameLiberals
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 12:07am

      I don’t CARE what a woman does with her body up to the second before she gives birth. It is NOT my business. Let GOD judge her.

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    • Brother Winston Smith
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 12:51am

      Oooops… Redwing1. A few inaccuracies.

      “Ron Paul has some good ideas and some not so good, in my opinion.”
      Strange… NONE are cited in either direction.

      LIE:
      “Since Ron Paul is not on the ballot”
      TRUTH:
      NOBODY is on the ballot and Ron Paul has the States needed for Tampa nomination.
      OBSERVATION:
      REDWING1 seems to have the same phrasings and style of LameLiberals. Hmmm….

      QUESTION:
      “is 4 more years of Obama better than 4 years of Romney?”
      ANSWER:
      They are the same.

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    • flipper1073
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 1:57am

      99% of American‘s Don’t know Who Gary Johnson Is

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    • circleDwagons
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 10:32am

      @ redwong1. Hannity, Rush, Levin tell me that obama can’t win. The dems tell me romney can’t win. The only way Romney wins if WE th People vote for him. You tell me Gary Johnson can’t win, but if We the People vote for him he might win. If the fix is in than it does not matter who I vote for.

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  • LameLiberals
    Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:20pm

    @Brother Winston Smith

    After thinking it over away from this website, I am voting for Romney/Ryan. Gary Johnson cannot win and Ron Paul is not on the ticket. Romney is a progressive and I don’t trust him AT ALL and Paul Ryan loves Free Economics but NOT Free Liberty (voted for NDAA/Patriot Act, against gun show gun sale,etc) but they are not far enough along the progressive line to take over the government as a dictator. Obama is. I am voting for Romney/Ryan and am giving $200 or so to the new PAC that is defending Ryan.

    I refuse to throw my vote away on Gary Johnson who cannot win or writing in Ron Paul who is not on the ballot.

    A warning to all the RINOs who put down libertarians – YOU NEED THEM – THEY DO NOT NEED YOU. Keep calling them names and putting down their candidate and YOUR RINO ROMNEY WILL LOSE because unlike me – they may not be so forgiving.

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    • Bigrod58
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:28pm

      I too voted for Paul in the primary. But that chapter of history has been written. Like you I think it is time to move on.

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    • TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:37pm

      We Conservatives need the Libertarians of old…. the one’s that Reagan spoke of… the Libertarian-Conservative. We who call ourselves Reagan-Republicans/Conservatives now don’t need, nor want this current strain of Rothbard/Paul Libertarian. It’s a disease, an infection… and in need of an antibiotic. We are attempting to control the infection and completely heal ourselves.

      It will take time and maybe a few rounds of antibiotic to rid ourselves of these so-called Liberty Movement Libertarians… just like turning around our country around will take time. The start hopefully is with Romney and Ryan. We can only cross our fingers and try and hold their feet to the fire where we are able. The Liberty Movement (r3volution) will be voting for Obama in the long run… you obviously care enough about your country to take a more common sense route…

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    • iDeStroyFakeComPuterTroLLS
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:40pm

      I will never vote for Obama. I never voted Democrat in my life. I bet your really voting for Obama. I voted for Bush, I voted for McCain and McCain lost because he just another loser like Romney.

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    • Brother Winston Smith
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:47pm

      LameLiberals DISSECTED…

      LIE:
      “Gary Johnson cannot win”
      TRUTH:
      GOD ALONE raises and lowers… and GOD ALONE knows WHO goes WHERE.

      BOLD-FACED LIE:
      “Ron Paul is not on the ticket.”
      TRUTH:
      NOBODY IS ON THE TICKET. And Ron Paul has WON the States needed for a Tampa nomination.

      LIE:
      “Paul Ryan loves Free Economics”
      TRUTH:
      Paul Ryan is a UNCONSTITUTIONAL Central Government Planner, and NOT IN ANY WAY… free market.

      LIE:
      “but they are not…“ ”Obama is.”
      TRUTH:
      Romney, Ryan and Obama are legislatively IDENTICAL.

      UNNECESSARY:
      “am giving $200″
      TRUTH:
      Romney has all the TARPED-UP, BAILED-OUT, CRONI-CAPITALIST BRIBE MONEY he needs.

      LIE:
      “Gary Johnson who cannot win”

      BOLD-FACED LIE:
      “or writing in Ron Paul who is not on the ballot.”
      TRUTH:
      Nobody is on the ballot. And Ron Paul has the States needed for a Tampa nomination. AWESOME!!!!!!!

      WARNING:
      “Keep calling them names and putting down their candidate”
      WARNING OBJECTIVE:
      FAKE-conservative often FALSELY position themselves as “libertarian”… and in this particular case… has taken it a step FURTHER… and scolded “RINO’s.” This, of course, is LAUGHABLY TRANSPARENT… coming AFTER HE, HIMSELF… has just lied through his teeth about Ron Paul.

      REAL WARNING:
      I’m a Constitutional Libertarian Tea Partier. I DON’T “NEED” ANY OF YOU to “WIN”! I need ONLY God, the Constitution, TRUTH… and the rest will neatly fall into place.

      Ron Paul 2012! NO EXCUSES!

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    • LameLiberals
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 12:13am

      @TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
      We Conservatives need the Libertarians of old…. the one’s that Reagan spoke of
      ________
      ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Ron Reagan was hardly a libertarian. LOL LOL LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!! I cannot stop laughing!!!!!

      Reagan was a HUGE GOVERNMENT guy – He built up the MILITARY MACHINE and broke the bank doing it. Under Reagan, American taxpayers are now STUCK with paying for defense of hundreds of countries around the world. Please – Reagan may be your messiah like Obama is the left’s messiah but DO NOT equate Ronald Reagan with being a libertarian. And, do NOT say that Paul Ryan is Tea Party material or like Sarah Palin when he voted for TARP/GM bailouts.

      I am voting for Paul Ryan ONLY out of fear of a Marxist unleashed Obama.

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 12:27am

      @Time_2_End,

      Boy, I’m not sure where all your venom (or information) comes from but I‘m sure it ain’t all right. You continually try to put me in some sort of box so you can label me and dismiss me. You don’t know me, you think you do according to your labeling system but you don’t

      I’m a christian. I believe Jesus is my lord and savior and there is only one way to heaven. John 14:6
      I’m pro-life. I believe that life starts at conception and that ending that is murder. I believe that murder is a state issue but I also think a strong case can be made under the constitution (life, liberty, pursuit of happiness)
      I’m a veteran. US Army Desert Storm 7th Group, Rejoined 2003 did not deploy due to medical. I took my oath to defend the constitution seriously and I don’t believe it ended when my enlistment did. As such, I’m an Oath Keeper.
      I’m a libertarian. But more accurately I’m a constitutionalist. I don’t subscribe to the atheist or anarchist component of libertarianism. However, economically I would classify myself as a miniarchist and praxeologist. I do not believe in fiat currency and consider myself a gold standard supporter. I believe in free markets and believe that in the long runs markets find equilibrium when consumers are informed.

      I am inspired by the writings of many. I admire Rothbard for the study of praxeology and an insistance on congruence of ideology…but I am not an anarchist. I admire Okun for the exercise in finding t

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    • TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 12:36am

      LAME. Let me make it simple. Reagan once praised Libertarian-Conservatives… gave ‘em an atta’boy and even considered himself in a way a Libertarian-Conservative. But Reagan saw a dangerous shift in Libertarianism… flushed the Libertarian moniker and adopted his own true persona. Today many of us call ourselves Reagan-Republicans/Conservatives and continue to see the same need to flush Libertarianism as it exists today which is in fact worse from Reagan’s day, from what he eyeballed as a dangerous ideology.

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 12:46am

      I believe that most of our laws are unconstitutional. Lincoln lamented the scope of the federal government of his day but acquiesced because at least it fit in one volume. How sad would he be now? I believe the enumerated powers are just that and that the real power lies in the 10th amendment. I believe that if the constitution were practiced that Presidential elections would not be so important. That our government should originate from the lowest level and that the federal level should be minimal (miniarchy).

      I believe in the bill of rights….all of them. I believe that laws should be enacted through amendment of the constitution and not by excutive order or federal code. Said differently, we had to amend the constitution to bad alcohol and again to legalize it. Ergo, if drugs are to be illegal there should be a constitutional amendment to do so. That being said, I’d argue that drug prohibition is no better than alcohol prohibition and no more effective than gun control. That if someone wants to shoot bath salts in their veins so be it and if they come to my house or near me or my family I will blow them away and the law will be on my side. I do not believe in unconstitutional wars. If we want to bomb people across the globe then let us go on the record and do it like men for all mankind and God himself to witness. And in this declaration should be the goal and the definition of victory. continued….

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 12:53am

      I believe that mariage is between a man and a woman but that anyone should be able to enter into social contracts. I believe in the 4th amendment and warrantless searches are unconstitutional and that we are sheep for allowing them. I believe that the extrajudicial killing of Americans (no matter how bad they are) is illegal and a slippery slope to the killing of people for politcal reasons…thoughtcrimes. I believe that Social Security is unconstitutional and was predicated on a lie and threat from FDR. I believe the same of medicare and medicaid..sans the FDR part.

      I believe that we have become a nation of hypocrites. That each side of the debate will run to the constitution when it suits their purposes but ignore it when it does not. I believe that the true measure of a patriot is when you can defend the constitution when it doesn’t suit your current best interest to do so. I believe that the Federal reserve is corrupt and illegal and that the Creature from Jekyll Island was an eye opener. I think that political discourse had decayed into bumber sticker level rhetoric with hate filled Alinsky esque tactics to label and dismiss ideas rather than to tackle them intellectually.

      That’s probably enough at this point. You can go on and box me up, spit some venom at me, and call me a disease if that makes you feel better. If it does, that’s sad. You’re missing out.

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 12:57am

      Reagan was a good man. But in his shift he increased the size of government from 28% of GNI to 29%. Federal spending rose. He made deals with bad men (Tip O’Neil) and he got taken for a ride. Taxes went down generally but he did raise them 11 times thus muting the effect. He didn’t veto spending bills from congress. He was a great POTUS and I admire that man. His heart and passion and empathy and pride in America are unrivaled.

      But using his track record as some way to attack my economic beliefs and beliefs in liberty in general simply doesn’t work very well.

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    • LameLiberals
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 1:27am

      @time
      Libertarians believe in following the constitution-STRICTLY. That means NO WARS in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan because congress did not declare IN WRITING. They punted to Bush and Obama ignored Congress.

      Libertarians do NOT believe in ANY gov’t healthcare. Not Medicare/ObamaCare/RomneyCare/Medicaid – NON OF IT. That includes ENDING health care taxpayers pay to give care to people OUTSIDE the USA by either the military (millions on this) or other gov’t health agencies sent to Africa/Haiti/Mexico, etc. Libertarians do NOT believe in taxpayers paying for ANY foreign countries defense and would CLOSE US military bases in England, Germany/S. Korea etc – over 900 of them. 900 USA FOREIGN military bases is an empire – not a republic. Libertarians do not believe in gov’t ss. Libertarians want to cut ALL federal departments including Dept of Ed, EPA, energy and let the states handle their own issues as they did before “centralized fed gov’t”

      There is NOTHING extreme about getting back to our Constitutional roots. It is the GOP SHEEP and the Democrat Sheep who forget to READ and FOLLOW the Constitution.

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    • circleDwagons
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 10:43am

      @Lameliberals. God Bless you. We need to quit attacking each other. Romney is a progressive and unless he changes his progressive views I will not vote for him. However I will not attack anyone that supports him. If he asks forgiveness from us Paul supports some of us will forgive him. Love and Liberty

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    • DLV
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 1:37pm

      lamelib- Reagon built up the military? So what? That is one of the few things the government is supposed to do national security. While I agree he should not have spent as much, it was mistake everyone does it. He was close to libertarian, I respect him. He did trickle down economics which makes sense. Rich make jobs, jobs are good for when the rich have more money. Rich businessmen will invest they don’t just hold their money, it’s a waste. There is no evidence they do that unless they are scared like they are of Obama. I’m a conservative libertarian too. I like Ryan, and if he voted for all those unconstitutional things I want to know WHY! I’m not just going to take you or brother winston for it because it goes against everything he believes in progressivism. I wanna hear why he voted for those things out of his own mouth! I will be voting Romney/Ryan mostly against Obama more than anything else. Let’s hope we can hold them accountable. Oh yes, and they are NOT the same as brother said. Romney and Ryan can at the very least handle the economy, though I do realize Romney is a progressive-lite lets hope Ryan can persuade him to go to less government. Reagan was for less government he has multiple quotes about, that seems to put to rest anyone who said he was not a conservative.

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  • A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
    Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:15pm

    “The Ryan Budget seeks to reduce spending by more than $5 trillion over 10 years.”

    $5 trillion over 10 years is only $500 billion per year, and the amount we are over budget (the deficit), as of July of this year, is $974 billion per year, and is projected to reach $1 trillion.

    See here.

    U.S. budget deficit rises to $974B in July
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48623045

    So Paul Ryan’s plan STILL exceeds the budget by about $500 billion dollars each year for 10 years, resulting in an increase in our debt of about $5 trillion (instead of about $10 trillion).

    Thats coming out of our pockets once government works out how they’re going to shake us down for more taxes.

    This is not at all an “extreme” budget, as the Left makes it out to be; But it’s also does NOWHERE NEAR what the Right thinks it does.

    This is why Ron Paul says that Paul Ryan‘s budget doesn’t do much.

    See here.

    Ron Paul: Paul Ryan‘s budget doesn’t cut anything of substance – Cavuto, Fox Business
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHTEF3T31Tg

    Now, Ron Paul’s plan actually balances the budget in three years.

    See here.

    Ron Paul Announces Ambitious ‘Plan to Restore America’
    http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2011/10/17/ron-paul-announces-ambitious-%e2%80%98plan-to-restore-america%e2%80%99/

    Ron Paul 2012!

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  • LameLiberals
    Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:04pm

    After thinking it over – away from all the negatives about Paul Ryan on this site and others, I am back into his fold. As a Ron Paul supporter I do NOT like his Patriot Act, NDAA or his wanting to close gun show sales but he is better than Obama/Binden and Gary Johnson cannot win. I cannot stand and do not trust Mitt Romney but I will vote for the Paul Ryan half even though Paul Ryan is NOT Sarah Palin because Palin would never have voted for TARP or GM bail out. He is better than Obama/Biden

    I do not regret voting for Ross Perot in 1992 over George Bush because Bush was terrible although I voted for him the 1st time. Clinton won in 1992 and he made a better president than Bush Sr. I also do not regret voting for the LEAST terrible candidate Bush Jr over God awful Gore and Kerry because while Bush was HORRIBLE and trashed the constitution – he did it less than Gore and Kerry would have.

    I wish Paul Ryan would talk about LIBERTY as well as economics though.

    A few weeks ago I gave $300 to Romney’s campaign. As soon as I google the new PAC defending Ryan, I will give to that PAC.
    To all my fellow libertarians – Gary Johnson cannot win. Romney is a progressive but he is not a MARXIST. Don’t throw your vote away voting for Gary Johnson. The republic has a chance with Romney/Ryan. It has no chance with Obama/Biden.

    Romney made the right VP pick because the other choices were worse.

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    • Bigrod58
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:17pm

      You Sir, are a Patriot. We cannot expect perfection because we ourselves are not perfect. But we can vote for the best candidate available that will have the opportunity to end the Obama devastation.

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    • Brother Winston Smith
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:32pm

      LameLiberals DISSECTED…

      CONFUSING:
      “he is better than Obama/Binden”
      TRUTH:
      “He” (Romney/Ryan) HAVE NOT BEEN NOMINATED.

      LIE:
      “and Gary Johnson cannot win.”
      TRUTH:
      ONLY God above raises, lowers and KNOWS WHO falls into those two columns.

      LIE:
      “Palin would never have voted for TARP”
      TRUTH:
      Palin SUPPORTED TARP.

      SUSPECT:
      “voting for Ross Perot in 1992”
      TRUTH:
      Often times FAKE-conservatives will FALSELY paint themselves as third partiers who now “see the light.” It’s a typical ruse, to manipulate people into voting leftist.

      “I wish Paul Ryan would talk about LIBERTY as well as economics though.”
      Paul Ryan’s economics are SOCIALIST… the OPPOSITE of liberty. Although I predict his RHETORIC will include the word “liberty” same as “Constitution.” He’s a liar, so I’m sure he will SAY ANYTHING.

      WASTED MONEY:
      “A few weeks ago I gave $300 to Romney’s campaign.”
      TRUTH:
      I was actually FORCED TO GIVE money to Romney: my tax money (actually my unborn great grandson’s money) to ILLEGAL TARP/Bailouts to Goldman Sachs, BofA, etc then to Romney in the form of a FAT bribe… oooops… I meant “contribution.” And it was MUCH MORE than 300 duckets.

      LIE:
      “libertarians”
      TRUTH:
      ALL EVIDENCE marks you as ESTABLISHMENT GOP.

      LIE:
      “but he is not a MARXIST.”
      TRUTH:
      Romney is a MARXIST, same as Ryan, same as Obama.

      LIE:
      “The republic has a chance with Romney/Ryan.
      TRUTH:
      A nominated Romney is a reelected Obama.

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    • Mutiny
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:44pm

      Voting for lesser of two evils got us 16 trillion in debt. In endless wars. All followed by our freedoms being taken away from us. If we keep accepting bad presidential candidates who better the ticket by taking more conservative VPs then the cycle will not stop until the whole things collapses.

      When you throw in the cheating and the over all lack of competence with Romney I dont believe their is any way Obama loses. This was a sure thing victory booting Obama out because he is the worst president in US history. Only the idiot establishment would put in the worst possible candidate against him to make it close.

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    • LameLiberals
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 12:04am

      @Brother Winston Smith

      Like you I am for dismantling every Federal Department (Jimmy Carter’s ed, Nixon’s EPA, Bush Homeland Defense and go back to just CIA/FBI/NSA) dumping SS, Medicare, Medicaid, CLOSING 800 USA military installations around the world (Let England/German/S. Korea, etc pay for their own defense) & NEVER letting one soldier fight overseas unless Congress IN WRITING agrees to a declaration of war. And get rid of The Fed, czars & executive orders.

      BUT!!!! The SHEEPLE on right and left LOVE ALL OF THE ABOVE. GOP sheeple excuse is to wrap all the illegal crap in the flag & left likes to make the illegal crap like TSA – UNIONIZED & roll in the $. Freedom LOSES either way but the fools don’t care and/or realize.

      Gary Johnson CANNOT WIN a general election. PERIOD.
      The GOP and the democrats have ensured a 3rd party can never get in to the point of not even inviting them to the GOP debates. Ditto dem side. GOP Sheeple are as stupid as dem sheeple – you KNOW THIS. Yet you fight it.

      Brother Winston, while the GOP/Democrats agree on far more than they disagree (all above) and libertarians agree with NONE OF IT, Obama is a MARXIST. THAT is reason enough to vote for Romney/Paul. The USA Republic WILL FAIL under the R/L Sheeple- slower under GOP. Maybe THEN, we can get rid of ALL the GOODIES/PROGRAMS and go BACK to the Constitution. Until then vote for Romney/Paul – to starve off the end.

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    • A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 12:13am

      Romney may not be a Marxist, but his policies are.

      He believes in the Marxist Monetary theory of Obama, Bernanke, Krugman, and Milton Friedman (yes, THAT Milton Friedman).

      See here.

      Rand Paul Is A Horrible Liar & Ron Paul DO NOT Endorse Obamney !
      (Regarding Romney’s view of the Fed / monetary theory)
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g5e1-7fLFs

      And here.

      Neoconservative David Frum Hearts the Fed
      (Regarding Milton Friedman’s monetary theory)
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d1rcaX-lzU

      He believes in the Marxist Value Added Tax (VAT).

      See here.

      Mitt Romney Open To Value Added Tax (VAT) !
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsMIa6E_KUk

      He believes in the Marxist Minimum Wage.

      See here.

      Romney supports automatic hikes in minimum wage
      http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/01/romney-supports-automatic-hikes-in-minimum-wage/

      Also, in the “60 Minutes” interview with Paul Ryan, Romney expressed belief in the Marxist Graduated Income Tax.

      Romney is not pro free market. We need to understand just how much of the Marxist ideology has permeated the Right. And then to not allow the Left to blame the free market for the statist policies adopted by the Right.

      Romney and Obama hold very similar views about the economy, and no matter who is President when they are adopted, they lead to economic destruction and losses of liberty.

      See here.

      Romney Obama the Same?
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWDJEc92d38

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    • helmuit_7
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 12:35am

      You are so right about getting him to talk about Liberty much more, we should also get him out there NOW not LATER speaking about the 17th amendment. The way it was before, and the huge difference it made afterwards. How it ‘bent’ the scales, causing a reverse ‘tumble’ of our nation and liberties. 90% of the people on the street have no idea of what was going on there, how it worked before the ammendment and why it was designed that way by the Founders. If you just tell them, “You should not be the person to choose the US Senator for your state.” they won’t even let you explain why that is. They see it as you trying to take something away from them. When in reality something was taken from them long ago, by trickery done to the masses, years ago.
      It would be a ‘difficult’ point to get across, but it is a vitally important one that needs to be taught to the public. I see it as a bridge he can use to relate to ALL PEOPLE. They need to learn the concept of the Constitution in order to have the best ‘Officials’ and for the country to survive.
      (did i go everywhere or what with all that) (sorry, rub your head and read it again, it gets better)

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 1:49am

      Boy, I just don’t know. I agree that there is no perfect candidate. It’s not like Gary Johnson is 100% aligned to me either. However, GJ puts the constitution front and center on his platform. I don‘t have to worry that I’ll go to work one day and come home and find some 2000 page law was signed into effect requiring me to get a retina scan and submit a DNA sample. (they probably have it already anyway). Obama, yeah. He’d probably do it with executive orders. Romney? Yeah, probably so given his stance on Patriot and NDAA. That scares the bejeezes out of me. I‘m reliant upon a media that doesn’t care about liberty, and a GOP establishment that has no track record of being able to reign in a sitting POTUS.

      The left could give a flying fart about the constitution. In some sense, you can say at least they are honest about it. The right says they are, but they don‘t follow through and don’t defend it. It’s maddening.

      I just can’t believe that we are here. It feels soo rigged. No way we’d vote a fascist community organizer in. Then, if it wasn’t rigged, you‘d think we’d put up a strong contrast. We get a RINO in Romney? That is the referendum on Obama…the guy who invented Obamacare? I mean you can’t write this stuff.

      I don‘t know what I’ll do. It’s a freaking mess.

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  • flipper1073
    Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:04pm

    An yet another brand New Member not aTRUEPATRIOT
    The Ron Paul Trolls are poping up like Mushrooms !

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    • XScramblerX
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:14pm

      kiss my ass jerk. The reason you have Congress is because of the Ron Paul Tea party supporters! Idiot moron! Remember November 2010. yea thought so. Ron Paul’s tea party brings you A holes victory then you dump on us, You might as well be an Obama supporter they’re useless morons too.

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    • Steelheadisadouche
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:33pm

      It’s like peeing on an electric fence to them. Paul bot. Paul troll…Paulistian poop…

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    • flipper1073
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 1:38am

      @ SCRAMBLER
      Hostile little basturd aren’t you .
      First off I Didn’t bash Ron Paul in fact I kinda like the Guy.
      second I‘m a Active TEA Party Member an it’s not about Ron Paul.
      third I’m a Sarah Palin Supporter an Not real Happy with the GOP
      or Mitt Romney . I was A delegate to the Convention but have
      decided not to go On Principle. So you see I kinda ******* All
      Sides in this Debate. But I live in the real world so I will Vote
      for Mitt In Nov. because “at least he’s not a Communist”.
      Romney / Ryan 2012
      Better Luck in 2016

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    • flipper1073
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 2:10am

      I can get away with bastur*
      but not p i s s o f f
      You guys need to buy a new Sensor Program
      Ritz Crackers, Soda Crackers
      just making a point watch what happens

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    • iDeStroyFakeComPuterTroLLS
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 6:16pm

      Well don’t come crying to me and blame us Paul guys because you lost. Blame yourself.

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  • Redwing1
    Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:58pm

    Do the Ron Paul supporters go after the Obama administration with the same zeal as they do Romney and now Ryan?

    Has Bro Winston Smith gone after the Obama administration with facts as he does Romney and Ryan? Does he post long lists of their voting records?

    Did Bro winston Smith attack Obama when he was running for Pres?

    Please list links of some of their attacks on Obama and his administration.

    Thanks

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    • Brother Winston Smith
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:05pm

      Here ya go, kind sir. A CLEAR ILLUSTRATION of Obama’s LAWLESS TREACHERY…

      Obama – Amnesty (Dream Act)
      Romney – Amnesty (Dream Act)
      Ryan – Amnesty (Comprehensive Amnesty)
      Dr. Paul – NO AMNESTY

      Obama – TARP
      Romney – TARP
      Ryan – TARP
      Dr. Paul – Warned and warned AGAINST TARP

      Obama – Signed NDAA
      Romney – Would sign NDAA
      Ryan – Voted for NDAA
      Dr. Paul – REPEAL NDAA

      Obama – PRIVATE Federal Reserve
      Romney – PRIVATE Federal Reserve
      Ryan – PRIVATE Federal Reserve
      Dr. Paul – END THE FED.

      Obama – Nation-building
      Romney – Nation-building
      Ryan – Nation-building
      Dr. Paul – Nonintervention

      Obama – “Patriot” Act
      Romney – “Patriot” Act
      Ryan – “Patriot” Act
      Dr. Paul – Fourth Amendment

      Obama – Gungrabber (Endorsed handgun ban and limiting gun purchases)
      Romney – Gungrabber (Gun Control flip-flopper who SUPPORTED Brady)
      Ryan – Gungrabber (Voted to close the “gunshow loophole”)
      Dr. Paul – Second Amendment – Introduced legislation to repeal the “Brady Bill” and “Assault Weapons Ban.”

      Obama – Collectivist healthcare. (Obamacare)
      Romney – Collectivist healthcare (Romneycare)
      Ryan – Collectivist healthcare (Medicare Part D)
      Dr. Paul – Free-market healthcare

      Obama – REJECTS the Enumerated Powers and 10th Amendment
      Romney – REJECTS the Enumerated Powers and 10th Amendment
      Ryan – REJECTS the Enumerated Powers and 10th Amendment
      Dr. Paul – Strict Constitutionalist

      Brother Winston Smith  
    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:05pm

      I’m not Winston Smith, but I sure as heck did. I still do. I can’t stand that fascist Kenyan SOB. I think he should be in jail for what he’s done.

      If I had to put my dislike of him on a scale of 1 to 10 I’d say it would be a 37.

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    • Freedombeliever
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:09pm

      Great post Redwing – and the Paulbots need to be treated as if they are the hardest left. They are so angry about their leader not getting the nomination they will do all possible to sabotage the elections. They are NOT a friend to our R/R campaign.

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    • LameLiberals
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:14pm

      I voted for Ron Paul in 2012 Florida primaries for the 1st time.

      To answer your question do libertarians trash Obama – YES!!

      Fox cancelled Judge Napalitano show because as a libertarian, the Judge SLAMMED Obama AND Romney – fair and balanced on their trashing of the constitution. His ratings were great and growing. Now they show re-runs of the Willis report no one watches in his time slot. Fox wanted Romney to win and cancelled his show.

      Libertarians hang around conservative sites trying to convince them to vote for Gary Johnson and not over at the liberal blogs for very good reasons. Libertarians are more conservative than liberals on liberty and liberals regulate every second of a person’s life. Liberal blogs are VICIOUS and attack the person – not the topic and they swarm a person they disagree ridiculing them with pictures/sayings and name-calling until they run them off the blog. Liberals are completely close minded and rarely know anything about the issues other than what NBC tells them. Libertarians know that conservatives and libertarians study the issues and it is more interesting discussing facts than fending off personal insults. Conservatives will listen so there is a chance of changing their minds unlike liberals.

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    • BryanB
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:21pm

      @Redwing1

      No they don’t !!!!!!

      They believe Ron Paul is going to do double somer-sault flip, and win the election.

      So the lovers of National Socialism (Ron Paul supporters), come on here and Bug the Crap out of everyone.

      And you can’t take any of them seriously, because it’s all about them……….

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    • XScramblerX
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:29pm

      Yea they do go after Obama, did you forget that they’re the reason you have a Conservative Congress as of 2010. BUT GO AHEAD, KEEP DUMPING ON US. You people are afraid of the responsibility that comes with true freedom. Like Obama, you need to blame someone other than yourselves.
      It will be the Ron Paul supporters that will have to keep these progressives in line!

      Thanks anyway

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    • LibertyOrDeath12
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:36pm

      We do go after Obama. That is why we want Ron Paul because he is the man to defeat Obama, not some fraud that created Romney care.

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    • Mutiny
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 8:52am

      @Redwing

      Actually most of us do. He is comparing the GOP people to Obama. We all hate Obama’s policies, why vote for guys with the same policies?

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  • aRealPatriot12
    Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:45pm

    Beck upsets me. I went to his Rally in D.C with Palin. I talked with great people. Good standing Patriots but if I knew they were going to sell out for Romney I would have never went in the first place. I respect my neighbors. I listen to what God tells me. I respect the Golden Rule. I don’t spit out war monger BS and hate. But it seems that Beck is selling out because Romney a Mormon and all Mormons trust one another which is odd.. My favorite video from Beck was when he bashed Soros and The Federal Reserve, but I just found out Romney doesn’t want to touch the Fed… I just don’t get where Beck is coming from.

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    • She_Urkel
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:58pm

      I wished Beck would trust Reid…that guy’s a totally trustworthy Mormon!

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    • Soundbyte
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:58pm

      So you will be voting for Obama?

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    • DislikesHussein
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:03pm

      The MOST important thing at this time is that we need to BAND TOGETHER to DEFEAT Hussein and his regime.

      There is not, nor will there ever be, a perfect Republican candidate that we will ALL agree with on every single issue. We need to support this Republican ticket and stop his madness that is running our country into the ground.

      I believe Beck is bing supportive of what we need to support, at this time.

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:07pm

      Now how can you say that when someone takes issue with policy and people going back on their word that “you’re voting for Obama”? Good Lord, that’s just not even trying to use your brain.

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    • Brother Winston Smith
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:12pm

      I KNEW that Beck gathering was a SCAM, aRealPatriot12, THE MOMENT I heard Beck say “don’t bring signs.” See what he did? By convincing naive teapeople NOT to bring their “End The Fed” banners, “Ron Paul” banners, “No More TARP,“ ”Follow The Constitution,” and every other poster representing LEGITIMATE GRIEVANCES… Beck could MANUFACTURE GRIEVANCE. Which OF COURSE, he did, by WARPING and BENDING the “Tea Party” to be anti-Obama INSTEAD OF ANTI-LAWLESS GOVERNMENT! The man is a snake (NOT a Gadsden rattler, of course).

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    • Chrison
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:17pm

      @aRealPatriot12: Beck isn’t “selling out” because Romney is a Mormon. Beck is supporting Romney for one simple reason, and I’m quoting Beck… “He’s not a communist!”

      If you have been following Beck’s radio show, you’d know that Beck was opposed to Romney and was supporting Santorum. Once Santorum dropped out, Beck grudgingly endorsed Romney, if you can call “at least he’s not a communist” an endorsement.

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    • LibertyOrDeath12
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:31pm

      @Chrison – yeah but Romney supports every Obama does. So it makes him a communist too!

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    • iDeStroyFakeComPuterTroLLS
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:43pm

      Romney is a commie

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  • Impenitent
    Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:39pm

    Romney/Ryan has my vote

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  • grayling646
    Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:32pm

    Who knows? Maybe Beck has the “they’re (Romney/Ryan) the best we‘ve got and I’m gonna do everything I can to get them elected” mentality. I have that mentality. I‘m not thrilled with our nominees but they’re tons better than what we currently have. All of you Ron Paul supporters are simply blowing smoke up your ownass. After you toke, of course.

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    • Brother Winston Smith
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:56pm

      grayling646 DISSECTED….

      LIE:
      “the best we‘ve got”
      TRUTH:
      Ron Paul has won the States needed for a Tampa nomination (although the MS(fake-conservative)M and MS(fake-liberal)M HASN’T REPORTED IT, for some reason). We are “stuck” with NOTHING WE DON’T CREATE OURSELVES.

      TACTIC:
      “and I’m gonna do everything I can to get them elected” mentality.”
      TACTIC SPECIFICS:
      Lie, cheat, rumor-monger, media blackouts, delegate theft, poll-cook, poll EXCLUDE, COVER UP voting records, punch, false arrests, etc.

      CORRECT:
      “I have that mentality.”
      There are many FAKE-conservatives who agree with FAKE-conservative/libertarian Beck.

      LIE:
      “I‘m not thrilled with our nominees”
      TRUTH:
      There is NO NOMINEE.

      LIE:
      “but they’re tons better than what we currently have.”
      TRUTH:
      LEFTIST Romney and LEFTIST Ryan are LEGISLATIVELY IDENTICAL TO LEFTIST Obama.

      LIE:
      “All of you Ron Paul supporters are simply blowing smoke up your ownass.”
      TRUTH:
      We are driving the FAKE-conservatives batty, because they NO LONGER MONOPOLIZE INFORMATION and they CANNOT COVER UP THE TRUTH ANYMORE. The “better evil” SCAM has worked swimmingly in the past… but no more.

      PARTING ALINSKYITE NAME-CALLING:
      “After you toke, of course.”
      TRUTH:
      While FAKE-conservatives will often Alinkyite the debate with marijuana humor… they can NEVER, EVER point out which part of the Constitution (that they CLAIM to love)… authorizes the “War on Drugs.”

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    • Polarized America
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:07pm

      .

      The Tea Party folks will be voting for Romney because they have no other choice–”S.Palin “

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    • Bigrod58
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:08pm

      Brother Winston, Brother Winston. We do monopolize the information. That is why you troll on this website and we do not read yours. We don’t care what you have to say. It is without value. Worthless. But I must say that you are fun to insult. So keep up the bullish!t. We are loving it.

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    • woodyee
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:13pm

      @ Brother_Winston – I think I’m beginning to understand you, but it’s too late in the game to change anything. In essence you Are “blowing smoke upyourass” for 2012.

      I happen to think that there’s a bit of a marxist in Ron Paul, but that’s my opinion. If you‘re serious about what I think you’re attempting to do, then I think it would be best to gel now, and start working to win hearts and minds after Nov with an eye towards 2016 or 2020.

      Good luck.

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    • grayling646
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 3:17am

      @ brother….
      While FAKE-conservatives will often Alinkyite the debate with marijuana humor… they can NEVER, EVER point out which part of the Constitution (that they CLAIM to love)… authorizes the “War on Drugs.”
      I wasn’t talking about the war on drugs. I just think anyone who smokes dope is a loser. I think most Paul supporters smoke dope/do other drugs and that’s why they support him. As though if he’s elected drugs are gonna be legalized. stupid.

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    • iDeStroyFakeComPuterTroLLS
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 6:13pm

      @grayling646 – First off I don’t smoke Dope. I actually work in a rehab and help people who are addicted on drugs. And that is where they should go.. to rehab,.. not jail. Second, Marijuana saves lives. Third most patients I see are alcoholics or pill poppers. Sad part is the last two are legal to have in this Country. Too bad we are filled with hypocrites. Ron Paul Supporters want to beat Obama. And we know our guy can.. not Romney.

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  • Freedombeliever
    Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:30pm

    I just love Paul Ryan on this ticket. Bro Winston hopes he can point out a voting record and people will change their vote to..Obama? Ron Paul is over and done with. Give it up!

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    • Bigrod58
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:58pm

      Brother Winston – Here is one more fact. One you should know. Ron Paul lost. Very few even voted for him. He is what we call “Toast”. Gone! Poof! You sir, support a nobody. A has been. Yesterday’s news. You can say anything you want about Romney/Ryan but they are running for POTUS/VPOTUS. Ron Paul, not so much. But you keep it up, you seem like a bright guy. Maybe you will see the light and realize who is running for President and perhaps decide who you will vote for. OK maybe you are not quite that bright.

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    • Freedombeliever
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:04pm

      So sad. Paulbots are clinging and grasping at straws. Paul’s own son Rand has even endorsed the Romney ticket. Ron Paul at age 100 – not sure put he’s older than China – It is OVER! Vote for Obama fine! Just PLEASE stop posting on here and hijacking unrelatd threads!

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    • LibertyOrDeath12
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:29pm

      LOL If only you knew what Rand was really doing.

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    • Mutiny
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 8:54am

      @freedom

      So he points out that Obama, Romney, and Ryan all are on the same side of a issue and he isnt attacking Obama in your eyes only attacking Romney and Ryan?

      Do you people even read?

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  • Freedombeliever
    Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:28pm

    @ Paulbots. So you would rather have Obama? You only have 2 choices. Obama or Romney. American or Socialist(at best, communist at worst). There is no “Door 3” with Ron Paul standing behind it.

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    • PoliticiansRCrooks
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:32pm

      We have many choices. This Country is set on two parties. You cowards created that. You created the two party system to divide us Americans. I am just so sick and tired of you people. Your going to be the reason why we lose to Obama but you’ll blame us, when in reality Romney will never defeat Obama. Obama has so much support it is disgusting. We are going to lose our Freedom for good and it will be because you picked Romney.

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    • KidCharlemagne
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:33pm

      Flip a coin…..

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:36pm

      @Freedombeliever,

      First off, if you are a freedom believer I’d imagine you oppose the patriot act and NDAA? Last I checked extrajudicial killing of americans was kinda the coup de gras of not being free. So, how do you reconcile that with supporting R&R who support both?

      What you all don’t get is that PaulBots, as you call them, believe in a cultish way in the constitution. I’m actually voting for Johnson…not a Paul write-in. But I digress. So if you believe that the constitution was devine intervention on some level (5000 year leap…ring a bell Glenn) then there is no compromising on that. To vote for R&R would be like saying that I don’t believe the 4th amendment is really part of the constitution. I can’t do that. It’s not true. It is part and these two (totally agree that Obama is 10X worse) don’t act as though it is. This is just one example.

      Us contitutionalists feel like the GOP sold out. That somehow in the last few weeks that elections became more important than the constitution. I can’t sign up for that.

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    • Freedombeliever
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:51pm

      “We” didn;t pick Romney. America did. It‘s called and let me spell it out if you’re smoking from the Ron Paul pipe -“VOTING”! Furthermore, it’s a process called “primaries”. Everyone gets their vote in their state. Bottom line is Ron Paul is NOT NOT in the picture! So you have a choice. Let me spell it out:
      Socialism which has NEVER in history been successful. Obama doesnt believe America is exceptional. This administration supports the Muslim Brotherhood and sharia law (google that if you dont know what it is.)
      Under a Romney/Ryan admin. It’s all about reducing our natl debt. Creating jobs. Getting fully capable workers off of food stamps and the gvt teat. Stop paying crony bailouts to losing companies like Solyndra with taxpayer money.

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:03pm

      Okay freedom, you win.

      I could tell you to read the economic plan and point to where it reduces our debt. It doesn’t. But that doesn’t matter. It’s just the lesser of two evils. I won’t pile on you. All the best. Godspeed.

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    • Freedombeliever
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:14pm

      Of course I win. You see, I live by the adage “America is good because Amricans are great! I belive in my country and for my child/ grandchildren

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    • LibertyOrDeath12
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:35pm

      @Freedombeliever – America didn’t pick it. The corrupted machines did and the chairman during all the states ignored every Paul delegate and broke every single rule in the book. That is called election fraud.

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    • TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 12:07am

      FREEDOMBELIEVER. As far as I’m concerned… you DO win. I just hope America wins.

      Obama supporters and Ron Paul / Gary Johnson acolytes will fight us tooth and nail for an Obama victory in November. Matters not what their ultimate agenda is, what their stated goals are. The bottom line is that they are in the tank for Obama. Patriots my @ss.

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 1:19am

      @Time,

      That is just simply not true. It is a construct of your own imagination. I‘d vote for Romney 10 times befoere I’d ever vote for that Keynan fascist. But the point is, I don’t have to. You‘ve created some sort of mandatory binary existence that doesn’t exist. It is still possible to vote for the constitution and there is no shame in that. If you believe that voting for the constitution is somehow a vote for Obama then that doesn’t impune me…it speaks to the state of the political system.

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  • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
    Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:08pm

    OK, seriously…why won’t one person ask him to explain his voting record in relation to A) being conservative and B) the constitution? That’s it. I’ll listen. Maybe he’ll make a good case and say he was weak or short sighted or scared. Fine, I can accept that. JUST ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG. It is so insulting to have all these accolades about being conservative when the facts are sitting right in front of us. It’s lunacy.

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    • grayling646
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:23pm

      I don’t suppose that your zeal for Dr. Paul has influenced your opinion? There’s a space just below me. I simply can‘t wait for you to tell me just how wrong I am and why I’m wrong. Please….

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    • PoliticiansRCrooks
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:27pm

      You know what I maybe would have never cared. I might have voted for Romney, but after the shenanigans they pulled during this election. After all the stuff they pulled on Paul Delegates. All the corruption, cheating, breaking rules and laws. Romney Camp are criminals and need to go to jail. Just like Obama!!!

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:30pm

      @Gray,

      I could have zeal for Aurther E Newman at this point, hasn’t got anything to do with the price of tea in china. JUST ASK THE DANG QUESTION!!!! And why do you have to launch attacks because a voter wants to know why?

      What in the hell happened to the “right” overnight? Y’all lost your principles. You want to support them fine, I get the lesser of two evils thing. But for the love of Pete, when did it become kosher to attack someone who wants to know about the voting record and the constitution. If that is “right” I’ll just be wrong.

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    • grayling646
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:39pm

      I suppose I can‘t answer that but I’m just bored with you constantly brow beating Romney/Ryan about their political positions on everything. They aren’t the perfect answer but Dr. Paul doesn‘t stand a snowball’s chance of winning anything. GET OVER IT!!!

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    • aRealPatriot12
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:48pm

      Ron Paul would destroy Obama and they know it. That is why they pulled those Racist News letters out instantly. That is why they blocked him out in TV. That is why they never reported his crowds. That is why they gave him only 30 seconds during debates. Ron Paul can win and he is the only one that ca defeat this Crazy Dictator.

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:49pm

      @Gray,

      I guess I kinda get tired of doing it. My question is to you, are those your positions too? If not, why aren’t you asking questions?

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    • grayling646
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:58pm

      What difference does it make whether I agree with all his positions? He‘s the best we’ve got. I‘m voting for him and Romney and I’m not going to try to convince anyone else that there‘s a better choice because there isn’t. At least not one who stands of chance of winning. As I’ve said before, GET OVER IT!!!

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    • TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:51pm

      @GRAY. You are wasting your time with ‘BARDIAN. He’s a product of many Ron Paul summer camps and their polished mastur-de-bating team of circle-jerk talking pointers for an eventual Obama re-election in the end. THAT is the bottom line. ADHD or just plain boredom breeds a ‘BARDIAN… not sure which but it’s not worth the effort at this time. Reminding them who their master is (Obama) is all that is needed at this late date.

      @’BARDIAN. I hear Lew calling you from the Mises Institute for a refresher course on Republican/Conservative hate mongerrrrrring. Your current schtick isn’t quite cutting it with the Conservatives here.

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    • PoliticiansRCrooks
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 12:06am

      Yeah he is right. You will never convince us to vote for Romney or Obama. Will stay home and maybe you’ll learn a lesson. Maybe Romney should have picked Ron paul as VP.

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 1:11am

      @ time,

      Since when is the constitution and honesty schtick?

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  • Brother Winston Smith
    Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:04pm

    Beck’s “George Washington” from “Divine Intervention”…

    Rick Santorum:
    NDAA
    SOPA
    Undeclared nation-building
    Foreign welfare
    Private Federal Reserve
    Interventionist (with no military service) = “chicken hawk”
    “Patriot” Act (smashes the 4th Amendment)
    Sonia Sotomayor
    Voted for Sarbanes-Oxley, but now claims to want it repealed
    No Child Left Behind (socialist education)
    Medicare prescription drug benefits (socialist medicine)
    NEA (socialized arts)
    Assassinating Americans without Due Process
    Lautenberg Gun Ban
    Mandate locks on handguns
    Federal background checks at gun shows
    Multiple debt ceiling increases
    2005 “Bridge to Nowhere”
    Unconstitutional “war” on drugs
    Endorsed Arlen Spector (key vote for Obamacare)
    Endorsed Romney 08
    “There is no such society, that I’m aware of, where we’ve had radical individualism and that it succeeds as a culture.”

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    • Freedombeliever
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:38pm

      You had my posts deleted fine I’ll just re-post. Brother Winston, I could not give a flip about your Ryan “stats”. Ron Paul is NOT going to be the GOP candidate. I will vote to save my country from socialism and communism. Your not supporting the Romney ticket is a vote for that. I am sorry Ron Paul is just too crazy to not concede and support the ticket like every every other primary candidate has!
      It makes Ron Paul look like a nut job.

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    • aRealPatriot12
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:49pm

      And Romney is a nut job. The Mormon religion alone is NUTTY

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    • iDeStroyFakeComPuterTroLLS
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:38pm

      I just can’t back a guy like Romney. He is a liar. I would have took Santorum over Romney any day. I would have took Bachman over Romney. I would have took newt over Romney. I would have too Perry!! over Romney. I didn’t like any of them really except Ron Paul. I woulda even took Herman Cain over Romney, but Nooooo the liberals souped Romney up after every debate and you people followed it. Gross

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  • Wake Up Call
    Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:04pm

    Reagan said that Americans have an ability to right mistakes and recognize the right leaders when they come along. Romney and Paul Ryan are what they seem. Smart, dedicated, decent, hard working, principled, patriotic, honest, normal men who just want their country back like we all do.

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    • RonPaulOrNoOne
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:15pm

      So why do they pass laws that go against the Constitution. These people are genius. They fool every single one of you Republicans. They want to kill Americans and Fly drones over your home and shoot you down because they “think” your a terrorist. It is digusting and shame on you for supporting either of these guys. Obama – Romney – Ryan – Biden = all the same

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    • LibertyOrDeath12
      Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:18pm

      Wake up CALL….. Romney created Romney Care and Obama stole his idea… WAKE UP CALL

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    • LaughinWillow
      Posted on August 14, 2012 at 12:26pm

      Why in God’s name do you people believe anything Romney says?? Not only was Obamacare modeled on the health care program Romney created, Romney hasn’t done anything else historically that shows he is particularly conservative. Further, he has a business record that included knowingly starting Bain with money from families that funded literal death squads in El Salvador (look it up – he’s even given speeches where he names these families), keeps huge amounts of money in offshore accounts in the Caymans like some drug dealing mafia kingpin, and made a career out of eliminating American jobs (which I guess is somehow ok because it was within the bounds of capitalism, whether it was ethical or not). Paul Ryan claims that the entire reason he entered public service was due to reading Ayn Rand, who was an atheist who thought Christians were evil and called poor people “lice.” Is this really what conservatives believe? As a libertarian, I believe we should be responsible for ourselves (this includes, however, the wealthy and mega-corporations, which receive far more welfare every year than the poorest americans), but I certainly don’t believe that the poor are “lice” to be “burned as fuel” as Ayn Rand wrote (and Ryan voraciously read). You’re being lied to, and not just by Obama. Get real.

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  • BryanB
    Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:14pm

    The Is a<<<>>>

    PLEASE REMAIN CALM !!!!!!!!

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  • RonPaulOrNoOne
    Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:16pm

    And your obsolete too. Go away.. Go vote for Obama. We don’t need you so called Patriots taking over with your war mongering and hate.

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  • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
    Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:16pm

    @freedom,

    So are those things not true? Just asking.

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  • LibertyOrDeath12
    Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:18pm

    @Freedombeliever – Your name is speechless. What freedom? If you truly believed in it, you wouldn’t be voting for Romney. Romney doesn’t protect our Freedom. Neither does Obama.

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  • Freedombeliever
    Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:22pm

    And furthermore….You have such a hatred for the GOP ticket -why do you post on here? Surely your idol Ron Paul would not condone this horrible slamming and continues degradation of all Republicans. But if he does, well then he is the nut job he appears to be. Sorry. THE GOP TICKET FOR 2012 IS CEMENTED AND IT IS NOT RON PAUL. SO YOU’RE ANGRY. THEN VOTE FOR OBAMA BUT STOP POSTING YOUR GARBAGE ON HERE WE DONT CARE!!!!!!

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  • Mutiny
    Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:22pm

    @freedom

    Is he lying about Paul Ryan?

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  • iDeStroyFakeComPuterTroLLS
    Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:22pm

    This goes to show you how controlled the Blaze is. They use 5 guys and they create 40 user names & than they delete there recent comments and change them. I see right through the BS Blaze… I see right through it

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  • PoliticiansRCrooks
    Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:29pm

    @Freedombeliever – Because the Blaze is all we got. It was a GREAT site. I used to love than you turned into traitors. Now I am more mad at people like you because you sold out and now I know.. your truly for Obama, playing to lose against him by using the worst Republican.

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  • BryanB
    Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:29pm

    Nothing to see here folks.

    Just another Loser from the Commonwealth of Virginia………

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  • BryanB
    Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:30pm

    And yet using another Fake User Name……….

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  • aRealPatriot12
    Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:46pm

    If I had the power to dismantle The Blaze I would.. This site shouldn’t exist.

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  • Bigrod58
    Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:49pm

    But you ARE a computer troll. How quickly can you destroy yourself? Not soon enough for me. Get to work.

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  • flipper1073
    Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:54pm

    Welcome Aboard FakeTroll.
    Just joined today right ?
    Soros paying you too?
    Are You a Sarah Palin Hating Atheist
    like all the rest of the Trolls ?
    “I’m Just Askin”

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  • Soundbyte
    Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:03pm

    So, I gather you will be voting for Obama? Or just staying home and throwing a temper tantrum?

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  • iDeStroyFakeComPuterTroLLS
    Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:44pm

    Yeah soo.. I know who I am talking to. i am talking to some fruit bag who works for Glenn Beck and types on the Blaze 24-7 and changes user names. I know who you are too. I don’t care if you call me a troll. Because you are too.

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  • iDeStroyFakeComPuterTroLLS
    Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:45pm

    I’m going to write in Paul or stay home and see you cry and complain when Obama wins.

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  • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
    Posted on August 14, 2012 at 1:56am

    So this is a GOP only board. Y’all just going to sit in your echochamber and tune out the world? This is the problem. This is why GWB crapped on the constitution. The GOP refuses to stand up to its leadership. You take whatever slop they put on your plate. You promote it and don’t question it and silence those that do. I mean seriously, how is this working for us all? How did GWB do? How’s John Boehner doing? John McCain? Olypia Snow? We couldn’t have gotten Obamacare without her. Heck, we don’t get Obamacare without Romney care…and now he’s on the ticket and we are all creeps for asking questions.

    My question to you and the GOP and Beckbots and Beck in general. How are we libertarians supposed to trust you? Beck doesn’t even ask voting record questions and when we ask questions we are shouted down and told to obey or get out. What are you all going to do to ensure the constitution survives as the law of the land?

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  • Soundbyte
    Posted on August 14, 2012 at 11:01am

    So you will be writing in Paul and essentially giving your vote to Obama? And you are ok with that?

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