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Beginning of a Democracy Uprising in the U.S: Noam Chomsky Hopes Wisconsin Protest Will Be Just Like Egypt
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Comments (264)
hauschild
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:47amAlas, the “ugly” side of Marxism.
Report Post »Xcori8r
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 1:50pmAnd Piven is the pretty side.
Report Post »Thatsitivehadenough
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 6:20pmIs there any other kind?
Report Post »TerryDo
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:46amThe most outrageous concession ever given to the teachers union was TENURE!
This was outrageous on so many levels one can hardly begin to decry the stupidity of it all. Which other job in the world has TENURE?
Tenure protects the most incompetent teachers; when a corporation, a government agency, a school board or a small business cannot fire an unskilled, non-producing employee then we are in the throes of self-destruction and mediocrity.
Unions have outlived their usefulness, they know it and that is why they are expanding ill-gotten power into political corruption and creating havoc.
Brava! Governor Walker continue to save your state.
Report Post »REVENANT
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:45amHe’s dreaming. Americans are not the kinds of savages that Middle Easterners are.
Report Post »Hisemiester
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 2:23pmDon’t think so. Just wait. Those who are out to destroy this nation are waiting in the wings. Obama and his agendas will bring them out soon. Arm yourself and hunker down. It is coming, especially in the heavily populated areas.
Report Post »IAMMADDOG
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:44amHey Chompsky, bite all of us.
Report Post »Republichic
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:43amPlease explain to me why Noam Chomsky, Francis F Piven, and others speaking of pro-disruptions, destroying our Country, etc are not traitors to America and charged as such? I don’t understand how these people can keep on praising these acts against our Country and get a free pass for doing so. These people are no different than Bin Laden who rants and attacks our Country. The communists and socialists can protest all day long without a negative word from our Admin or the left; however, if the Tea Partiers stand up for our Country and expose these people, our own President demeans us, the far left media seek to destroy us and the truth gets watered down. Fox News with Glenn, Rush, Hannity, and Host Mark Levin are our saving grace. If the people who disagree with where our Country is headed get in the streets, we are subject to arrest. I do not know my Country anymore. I can’t believe we are tolerating communists, socialists and radical Muslims to destroy our homeland. It’s terribly frustrating to watch this video and know there are thousands in America that agree with him and want to bring this Country down. This would include our President. I am 58 years old and hate the thought that I may have to live the remainder of my life scared of my own Countrymen. It’s very sad to know that our President is pushing this socialist and communist agenda and is backed by so many people, it’s hard to get a handle on it. We are in so much trouble. It’s amazing how these actions accelerated once Obama was elected. To deny he’s involved is to be a fool. I hope we win this battle for our Country, our past veterans who fought for our freedom and for our children.
Report Post »NC1
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 12:18pmI agree with you 100% but to have anything done about it, it would involve having the gov’t on board for doing so. I just wish the leaders in our congress would grow a spine and do something about it, they’ve got the ultimate power, not the prez.
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 12:36pmWell said!! Thanks
Report Post »Iowa_man
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 1:02pmThats an easy one. Look who is in office….
Report Post »SUNBURST
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 1:20pmHear hear!
Report Post »Abby Normal
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 4:33pmyep, well said, and when this civil war starts here in Amerika you all better be ready to kick some ass! I will defend freedom, liberty and our Constitution, over union thugs and communists, until the day I die!
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 18, 2011 at 5:40pmAnother tea-****** confused about hte constitution and the right granted to citizens. Stop drinking the poisoned tea it fracks with your head.
Report Post »Abby Normal
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:42amWell now, isn’t he so special, my little communist friend!?? bring on your revolt putz….while you are revolting on the street, better hope you don’t meet up against me friend, you may not like my answer to your revolution!
Report Post »ClaytonDM
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 12:11pmLove the name. Great movie.
Sorry for the irrelevant post.
Report Post »Make the Stupid People Shut Up
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:41amThe new investment strategy
Report Post »Booze, bullets, canned goods and cigarettes.
You can use the bullets to protect your canned goods and use the booze and cigarettes for barter
ldpeters
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:41amIf Chomsky “hopes that it will be just like Egypt” perhaps a fund should be established to pay his one-way airfare to Cairo………………..Really….I don’t mind.
Report Post »ILUVAMERICA
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:29amThough they (unions) want it badly, Governor Walker is not going anywhere but to his office to continue the fight against the useless union workers. We, the people of Wisconsin, elected him because we knew he would take charge of our state and get rid of the waste and unfair union practices. The unions are in a panic. It is no longer all about them. Surprise! There are other people in the state and we are now being heard, thanks to our newly elected Governor. The unions can no loger run our state. BOO HOO unions. Hows it feel!
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:29amGood grief!
One problem with the analogy, Noam, is that Scott Walker isn’t a brutal autocrat oppressing Wisconsinites. He’s trying to balance the damn budget.
Another problem is hardly anyone in the United States thinks Teachers Unions are more important than Students. So you can forget about a popular uprising over this issue.
The Chomsky-left will try to latch onto Middle East unrest and use it to “inspire” uprisings here.
It won’t work.
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 1:27pmI wonder what ol’ Noam would think if the “popular uprising” just happened to be the Tea Partiers who are sick of the unions, thuggery, communists/marxists/socialists? Me thinks there are many more of us than there are of them…..
Report Post »DashRipRock
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:28amThis whole Wisconsin Protest
will be over as soon as those students realize their teachers lied
and Justin Bieber is not even there.
Report Post »Iowa_man
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 1:00pmLMAO.. Good one Dash…
Report Post »Silverline
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:28amv
Report Post »Its Gonna Getcha
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:28amWhere are the clowns? Bring out the clowns………
Report Post »MikeinIdaho
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:27amGee, another known and avowed communist hoping that the communists in Wisconsin rise up and try to overthrow the legitimate government! How‘s 60’s Cloward and Piven of him! Somebody throw that old marxist pig on a slow boat to Venezuela.
Report Post »fertlmind
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:34amMike
Report Post »There is a clone of Madison here in Eugene messing up Oregon
They are all anarchist and commies hiding amongst the rest of the population and acting like they are the true voice of the people.
The worse they behave the more they are dispised
It will eventually lead to their downfall
regular folks are getting really tired of having them in our midst
southernORcobra
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:27amokay sir back to the home don’t wanna miss bingo now do you?
Report Post »mattsanz
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:26amThree questions a free people need to ask themselves. 1) Is Govt evil ? “Government is force; like fire.” George Washington 2) Can… evil do good ? “Power always thinks… that it is doing God’s service when it is violating all his laws.” …John Adams
Report Post »3) If evil attempts to do good, do you support it ? “United States of America does more good in the world than any other Nation” Republlicans
ENTITLEMENTSBLOW
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:26amGo to Egypt if you think they are so great! What an idiot. Capitalism is Boss in case any of you liberals didnt know that!
Report Post »Danglinbags
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:25amHonestly i cant handle this. Coupled with joy and helen from the last article, my eyes are going into diabetic shock over how sweet this gentleman’s appearance is. He must have excellent genes, and his grooming is impeccable.
Report Post »TERMLIMITSNOW
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:46amsounds like you may be a little sweet on the old man
Report Post »REVENANT
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:48amCapitalism is the ultimate natural ecosystem. Union Communism is a slowly rotting corpse.
Report Post »fertlmind
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:25amThis guy is an obvious commie,….
Report Post »Obamma should make him a Czar
Nobody is taking away the unions pension
Scott Walker just wants them to pay 1/2 of what a normal working schmo pays for healthcare and pensions.
But to this guy it’s taking away their pensions.
Commie rhetoric
GeorgieJo
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 2:20pm@ Fert
Report Post »Noam Chomsky is taught on my son’s LIBERAL campus
BHO may be unaware (shock) but Chomsky is already the Czar of Socialism
These young college students have NO clue how they are being indoctrinated
but they enjoy the free bus ride to vote for BHO sigh
Philo Beddoe
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:25amJust like Egypt?
What are these union members thinking about? Are they all so mindless that they are comparing Cairo to Madison?
The people of Wisconsin MUST rise up against these anarchists w are hijacking a State government.
Report Post »Class2000Generation
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:32amI would love to go down to Madison (aka Madtown) and support Governor Walker but unfortunately, I’m not in a union and therefore, I don‘t get paid when I don’t show up for work!
Report Post »royalstar
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 12:14pmMadison is Mecca to socialists and communists. The governor is pooping all over their holy grail the unions.The ugliness hasn’t even started yet. Governor Walker is fully aware of the capabilities of the Communists/Unions. Much of the extremes that are about to take place will probably not even be Wisconsin citizens. The union thugs will be bussed in. That is why the National Guard has been alerted. They are so extreme that a Egypt style uprising is what they have wanted for a long time and the same people fueled the uprising in Egypt anyway.
Report Post »Bullwinkle
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 1:25pmIt’s typical of those who would destroy this nation to use a false comparison. What’s going on in Wisconsin is nothing like what is going on in Egypt and Chomsky knows it. It is very convenient to use it though. Emotional responses always work well. These poor teachers can then be seen as some sort of freedom fighters and gain sympathy. Meanwhile the process of destroying our nation continues.
Makes you wonder what else is going on while they have our attention focused here doesn’t it?
Report Post »Lord_Frostwind
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 6:20pmOh, I don’t know, I think it might be exciting to watch a cavalry charge of police on camel back at the protesters. I bet they would brown their pants.
Report Post »Broncobuster
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:25amScott Walker did NOT threaten to call out the National Guard .
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/feb/16/progressive-change-campaign-committee/group-says-gov-scott-walker-threatened-send-out-na/
Report Post »charliego
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:24amWHAT????? You have the shoe on the wrong foot, sir.
Report Post »LSX
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:23amJust another commie idiot!
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Report Post »ginsberg
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 2:15pmNo, chomsky is not a communist. Ironically he would be on the front line for you if anyone ever tried to take away your freedom to protest or organize groups to protest. He is a humanist, calling him a communist tells me you dont know a thing about him, other than watching a one minute clip on the internet. Sad.
Report Post »Abby Normal
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 4:27pmLOL, he is a left wing radical and has been for years, and his aim is communism, quite lying through your teeth moron!
Report Post »ginsberg
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 7:31pmNo, his aim is not communism, if you had read anything the man has ever written you would know he supports no government style except democracy, consistant with his overall philosophy of humanism. Hes against oppression, for freedom, sorry if that offends you.
Report Post »matinva
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 7:50pmThere is only one problem with Chomsky’s (and every other moronic leftist) argument; nothing he believes in or supports has EVER worked ANYWHERE in the history of the world that it’s been imposed on the people. History is replete with these attempts, all ending in mass murder of the civilian population. Sound like a good deal to you? Not so much to me.
Report Post »I SPY
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:22amRespect your elders.
Report Post »Robert-CA
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:19amPiven in action .
Report Post »cnsrvtvj
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:22amNow the unions have teamed up with the International Socialist Organization who are calling for an “Egyptian style” uprising in America. The ISO believes that America needs to become a socialist country, and currently has branches throughout the country. The organization is using the unrest in Wisconsin as an opportunity to recruit new members.
http://www.donsmithshow.com – see the unions and socialists unite video
Report Post »JohnMH
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:29amI know of Chomsky for his publications in the area of grammar, but what a loser. Let’s see, the democrats control the White House and the senate and did control the House for the last several years and now the same idiots that support them are declaring we need a democratic uprising and that the country is less democratic than before? These people are constantly calling for a “democratic” uprising, which is just code for “let’s all become communists so nobody has to work or be responsible for themselves.”
Report Post »NickDeringer
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:29amWe will be destroyed from within. Americans need to be aware of these guys.
Our country is slowly being stolen from us.
Report Post »sissykatz
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:33amIt seems almost impossible to me that there really are people in this country that want to see it torn apart. .It makes it so much worse to know the President is one of those people.I think the Gov. will stick to his guns, he has to, There is no more money….Why can these people not see that?
Drippy Fawcett
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:39amWe should be so lucky as to have a situation “just like Egypt”.
Their President stepped down.
Western Art
Report Post »exdem
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:41amI still don’t get it. Why do these people want this?? Egypt was ruled by a dictator and minimum wage in Egypt is $6.50 a month. REASON TO RIOT!!
Report Post »In Wisconsin ,its about having to cut back a little so you can keep your job in a bad economy. And they are being encouraged , engineered whatever by unions and MSNBC to riot and cause chaos.
Remember the youth mob that went rampant and trashed the Mall in WI a few weeks back? Was that training for this? WTF is going on???? How can these idiots not realize how lucky they are to have a job , any job, much less one with such good benefits and security? I hope this huge mob doesnt turn violent.
People could seriously get hurt and it will be a lot harder to blame this one on Palin.
Jim S
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:49amNoam has been pushing his socialist wishes for decades, nothing new here…move along…ask some non linguist specialist about organ removal procedures….you could ask a surgeon but it’s so much fun watching someone who is out of their field speak with such a mixture of condensation and superiority.:)
Report Post »heavllyarmed
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:50amthinks someone needs end of life counciling
Report Post »HillBillySam1
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:53amSo Chomsky draws a parallel between the teacher’s UNION protest in Wisconsin and the Egyptian uprising….but wait a minute……doesn’t our Mainstream media claim that there are NO COLLABORATIONS between the unions/Socialists/Progressives and the Islamic fundamentalists in Egypt?? No story to report, I guess……
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:54amI have to wonder if this guy gets the old adage of “Those who begin a rebellion for power are the ones who lose the power in the end of the rebellion.”
Our nation is a Republic, and not to be based upon the concept of mob rule; each and every democratic nation and society of the past has failed, completely and utterly gone into the night. It is frightening to see so many seeking to so casually call for changes to what we are not, based on the biggest of lies.
To surrender our liberties and freedoms for a lie is the worst tyranny ever; one we will have brought onto ourselves.
Report Post »Lantern
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 12:00pmWill there be camels? I’d ask will people be beaten up, but I know better. Maybe we will see the fourth horseman of the Apocalypse.
Report Post »gregvgregvgregvgreg
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 12:00pmIf earth were the universe of Star Wars, what country would be the Empire and what countries would be the rebellion?
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 12:19pm@Gregvgreg
Most of the world would be the empire, while single towns and communities would represent the last hope in the rebellion.
Report Post »vic138
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 12:19pmThe sad part about it is he thinks he’s the smartest person in the world (really) so he can never back down on an idea. He has remained the same over all these years he’s been writing books and as a professor (in linguistics). No common sense at all.
Report Post »proudconservative
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 12:21pm@NICKDERINGER
I agree but it is not slowly it is at lightning speed.
Report Post »blazingaway
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 12:26pmCounter Piven
THIS IS HOW WE SOLVE THE INSANITY OF THESE BLOATED GOVERNMENT PENSIONS.
IT’S VERY SIMPLE.
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE GOVERNMENT TAKES OVER A FAILED PENSION PLAN IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR?
RESEARCH UNITED AIRLINES. THE UNION EMPLOYEES GOT 25% ON THE DOLLAR AND HAVE TO WORK ADDITIONAL YEARS BEFORE THEY CAN RECEIVE IT. I KNOW, IT HAPPEN TO MY BROTHER.
SINCE GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES ALWAYS THINK THE SOLUTION IS HIGHER TAXES WE SIMPLY TAX THE PENSION PAYMENTS AT 75%.
IN OTHER WORDS, WE (AS GOOD TAX PAYERS) CONTINUE TO KEEP OUR PROMISE TO PAY THEM THE DOLLARS THEY ARE DUE, HOWEVER, IN RETURN THEY MUST PAY THE TAX WE IMPOSE.
FOR EACH $1 WE GIVE THEM WE TAKE IN TAX FROM THEM .75 CENTS.
THAT SOUNDS MORE THAN FAIR AND EQUABLE TO ME. ESPECIALLY, SINCE I AS A TAX PAYER DON’T HAVE A PENSION — SO WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO PAY FOR THEIR PENSION WHEN THEY ARE SUPPOSE TO BE MY SERVANT.
HOW STUPID ARE WE … JUST KEEP GIVING UP YOUR FREEDOMS, RIGHTS AND MONEY TO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO CONTROL YOU
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 12:27pm@exdem
What we want is for fair wages, a country that puts people ahead of profits and corporate interests. A government that respects the rights of its citizens, including the right to collectively bargin for fair employment.
BMartin1776
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 12:36pmWhere is the media on this? Imagine if it was a republican, conservative, TEA Party member that says “they wish…” Double standards in this country are sickening…. oh and watch what you wish for it might come true.
These people who are calling for riots etc in the US do not understand they cannot control those in the “rage”. They wants protests like Egypt which come apart into violence, they dont understand this dream of theirs could tear the country apart. Now many will argue thats what they want to reign in this fundamental transformation of the US. But they dont understand that if that happens they, people like Chomsky, Pivens, etc become a target too!!!
Its like a wild animal tamer in a circus, they work with the lion of grizzly bear for years then one day that lion or bear, elephant goes off and takes them out. This is what will happen here in the US and these fools calling for an uprising do not get. The “animals” will revolt against them too!
Stand down is all I can say to those of you with common sense and a sense of patriotism no matter what do not engage the radicals. They want riots, they want violence in the US to start whatever machine it is they are building…..
Report Post »http://www.savingtherepublic.com
ProgessiveFail
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 12:38pm^ you want “fair” wages? Define “fair” wages.
You are free to better yourself so that you can get a better job. Don’t like the wages offered look for a another job….still not making enough, get a second job….is it really that hard? In life you do what you need to do to survive. You have it pretty damn good in US. Why do you think the world flocks here? You and you’re ilk are like spoiled children throwing temper tantrums….
GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 12:42pm@encinom
“What we want is for fair wages, a country that puts people ahead of profits and corporate interests. A government that respects the rights of its citizens, including the right to collectively bargin for fair employment.”
What you have is the right to freedom of association. There is no such thing as a right to force others to have to deal with you. Doesn’t exist.
You can collectively bargain and that’s fine, but you can’t claim a right to force others to abdicate their own freedom of association.
Public employees are unionized against *us*. We’re the employer. The representatives of the employer, the Governor in this case, is doing the people’s will. Since the people’s will is to abolish a fake “right” and re-establish a natural right of two way freedom of association, then that is what will happen.
Why anybody would fight for the greedy union leaders who are themselves shafting the union membership, is beyond me. But people sometimes don’t act rationally when others whip them into a frenzy.
Report Post »Miguelito
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 12:48pmWhat is Obama up to? Stay focused America!
Report Post »IntheKnowOG
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 12:59pmDon’t feed the racist troll from Kalifornia…(encinom).
Report Post »leftiesaredangerous
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 1:02pmI’m sick of these people. Honestly, I’m just sick of these people.
Report Post »exdem
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 1:06pm@ENCINOM
Report Post »Fair wages?? The teachers and public servants wages are more than fair.
YOU WANT COMMUNISM – go ahead admit it!
You talk about greed robbing the working people but this is nothing more than a bunch of greedy crybabies throwing a temper tantrum to get their way. Our economy is in trouble you blind fools. Buck up and shut up!!!
Sparky101
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 1:12pmencinom “What we want is for fair wages, a country that puts people ahead of profits and corporate interests. A government that respects the rights of its citizens, including the right to collectively bargin for fair employment.” They have all that in France. Go there and you won’t have to whine.
Report Post »Drippy Fawcett
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 1:20pmCOMMIE RHETORIC TO ENGLISH TRANSLATION ON ENCINOM’S POST:
“What we want is for fair wages…”, i.e., “We want to get paid more than our production is worth, because we’re to stupid to realize that will put our employers out of business…”
“…a country that puts people ahead of profits and corporate interests…”, i.e., “…a country in which profits are confiscated from the people who produced them, and given freely to members of organized
Unambitious
Non-producing
Incompetent
Obama-voting
Nincompoops.”
“A government that respects the rights of its citizens…” i.e., “A government that gives preferential treatment to vile, Got-hating lovers of debauchery.”
“…including the right to collectively bargin for fair employment…”, i.e., “…and we want it all to be the law of the land.”
Report Post »nptden
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 1:27pmHe‘s right ’Democracy has almost been eviscerated’…By corrupt politicians not following the will of the people who elected them, but pandering to special interest unions for political campaigns to keep in power. ‘Democracy eviscerated’ by mob rule of unions, using our own children to create the illusion of ‘public support’.
Report Post »Hugh Williams
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 1:54pmHere is a lot of info about him. He is a long time radical leftist.
Report Post »http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky
watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 2:00pm@ ENCINOM….Their right to collectively bargain for pay is not being touched !!!!!!!! It’s all the other crap that is being scratched. Boy I would love to tell my boss (if I had one) I want to work no longer than this, and I’ll only do this, and my room has to be a calm color, oh and BTW I need 3 months paid vacation, and I need a guaranteed raise regardless if I suck at my job. Oh and BTW you can’t fire me for hardly anything
Report Post »muthrluvbne
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 2:03pmThe socialist will revolt, and what are we going to do about? Let them take our country by force? Or will we stand up in front of them and say only over my cold dead body?
Report Post »getalong
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 2:09pmBeginning of a Democratic uprising? Doesn’t this old fart mean Communist uprising?
Report Post »HUGGINGMYBABIES
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 2:09pmWe ALREADY HAD a democratic UPRISING you idiot, it was called the November Elections in case you needed a refresher course in the term. The DEMOCRATS lost and they are cranky……give them some warm milkk, change their diapers and send them to bed early. Spoiled selfish sheeple MINORITY! I hope Scott waits em out. Its all the unions…..they don‘t like that he won’t pay union dues out of paychecks but wants to give employees the abilit yot pay the union on their own……the money’s drying up Trumpka…..find another state. The MAJORITY spoke in November in a VERY Democratic manner…..we already ARE like Egypt. We rose up against years of Democratic Tyranny in this state and we grabbed our pens and we took to the polls and we made a HUGE change in this state. Take that Chumpsky.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 2:11pm@watchtheotherhand
“@ ENCINOM….Their right to collectively bargain for pay is not being touched !!!!!!!! It’s all the other crap that is being scratched. Boy I would love to tell my boss (if I had one) I want to work no longer than this, and I’ll only do this, and my room has to be a calm color, oh and BTW I need 3 months paid vacation, and I need a guaranteed raise regardless if I suck at my job. Oh and BTW you can’t fire me for hardly anything”
They know this. They don’t care.
I generally try to see all sides on matters, even if I disagree with one side of the argument. On things like this though, where the dishonesty is so blatant by the Left that it is breathtaking, I cannot stand to even deal with these…thugs.
Report Post »abc
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 2:20pmPeople are missing Chomsky’s ideology. He is not a communist, but an anarchistic socialist. He believes that capitalism only is compatible with democracy when firms remain small and characterized by 100% employee ownership. He also prefers smaller government, where public workers have strong bargaining power, as they would in 100% employee owned firms. He has been appalled at the lack of concern for workers’ rights and the relative loss of economic power and share of the profits of corporations in this country. He writes about this all of the time.
While I share his concerns about the erosion of the middle class and do worry about the weakening of unions as a big reason for the stagnation of worker pay since 1973, I think it is harder to make that case in the context of public workers. While the right wing makes totally over-the-top, hostile comments about public workers, claiming that they add no value–as if a pot hole filled or a report written by a private company suddenly becomes value-less if the government does it–or arguing that they are uniquely selfish or unproductive, the reality is that public workers have not sustained the kinds of pay cuts that people working in private sector have been forced to take during this downturn (the average decline in pay was 2-3% when I last looked at it, versus high single digits for private worker pay). And this is a problem. I do think that the WI Governor is pushing for the loss of key collective bargaining rights that public workers, like private workers, should be entitled to. However, the government needs to be able to respond over time to labor inefficiencies by reducing staff or cutting pay, just like the private sector.
The people who think that they are intelligently discussing the issue by throwing around names (Communist, Pivens), however, really ought to learn better.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 2:28pmAmen GHOST……I gotta get it out though or I get ideology constipation. I will always confront obvious lies with truth…..ALWAYS. Keep up the fight and I appreciate all your comments. I try also to chew on things from many perspectives. I actually like some of the more honest liberal commentators on here that challenge me and keep me sharp, and sometimes soften my stance on things, but I can’t handle misinformation or lies.
Report Post »IronSights
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 2:29pmI assume that includes, rape, violence, destruction of historical items in museums, etc. Yes, just like Egypt he says. I think these clowns need to have a convention on an ocean liner, then have it sunk. It would be a quick end to the venom they spew.
Report Post »chazman
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 3:01pmIf I ever get close to this creep I’m gonna mess him up!
Report Post »Cemoto78
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 3:08pm“I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.” – Thomas Jefferson
Report Post »abc
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 3:33pmCemot, the correct quotation is: “if we can but prevent the government from wasting the labours of the people, under the pretence of taking care of them, they must become happy.” Note that this does not logically mean that ALL government action that seeks to help people is wasted…
You can find the original quote, as well as a picture of the original script in Jefferson’s hand at:
http://wiki.monticello.org/mediawiki/index.php/Wasting_the_labours_of_the_people
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 3:43pm@ ABC while I hear yeah and also agree on the Chomsky thing he is not a “communist”. I think the anger is based in the fact that the private sector feels they are bearing the brunt of the burden. They have lower wages when compared to the public sector and less job security than the public sector and are then asked to pay higher taxes to pay someone else salary and benefits that are already greater than their salary/benefits to begin with. No one says that public workers aren’t good people or needed, but their demands are unrealistic given what the rest of us have to endure and sacrifice on a daily basis. To those in the private sector this is a source of anger because they feel like they are making sacrifices, but when they see public workers rioting over them having to contribute half as much for their pension and health care as the private sector it is a hard pill to swallow and it angers many. And their collective bargaining is not being eliminated but simply limited to what it should be…..salary. Just my 2 cents.
Report Post »SLAPTHELEFT
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 3:56pmencinoman or whatever alias you use….
Fair wage? gov’t and public sector employees make double that of the private sector. but facts don’t matter to you right? you’re just a plant that spews sperm to try and get reactions from the fine people here at the blaze. Its the private sector that should be stomping around like little babies and crying and whining over an extra coffee break. You’re in a union huh? Guess what homey, the jig is up. you’re done. we are gonna break the backs of these unions once and for all.
If you want a fair wage, be the best in your field, not some flunky that rides a CBA. Loser.
Report Post »SLAPTHELEFT
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 3:59pmpeople in front of profits?
Ding dong thats why these states are teetering on the verge of bankruptcy. You libby leftists are so fun to watch. Its like an episode of the three stooges! You are just coming undone. you see the power slipping away, never to return. You make me laugh, you little man.
Report Post »mcfinch
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 4:14pmYep I agree.
http://politicalbowl.com
Report Post »Abby Normal
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 4:21pmTo all of you freakin leftists…come pay my health care premiums and my retirement you pukes! I am not going to stand by much longer while unions rape America, bleeding her dry. Unions drove up the cost of EVERYTHING they touched, that is a big reason jobs went overseas, and free trade agreements. so stuff it up your collective chuffers…peace out!
Report Post »highcarry
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 4:47pmyeah noam, a revolution. you know, where we drive you communists from our shores, and make liberal the worst thing you can be called. bring it on you stinking old hippie. you will find out how pis*ed we really are.
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 5:26pm@sissykatz
It‘s not that the can’t see it. They just don’t care.
Report Post »Thatsitivehadenough
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 6:20pmHe should be arrested. He’s promoting revolution.
Shoot all communists wherever you find them. They cannot be cured.
Report Post »abc
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 7:00pmOtherHand, I totally agree with that.
Report Post »AmericanSoldier
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 7:01pmThe key difference is they were protesting for freedom while these WI workers are protesting to be treated unfairly better than private workers. OMG! They have to pay HALF of what the private worker has to pay into their health and pension plans!? REVOLUTION!
A bunch of cry babies. How about this. How about we dismattle those Government jobs so you have to actually find a real job that produces something and see how you like paying the same rates that everyone else pays.
Report Post »ascoolone
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 7:09pmwell we are not a democracy WE ARE A REPUBLIC!!
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 9:06pm@ ABC….I know we come from different angles on many things, but I find you very respectful and reasonable and appreciate your comments. Thank you for your input. Sincerely !!!
Report Post »AzDebi
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:14pmHey Chom…prob in Wisconsin is under “Progressive” rule…they NOW find that they are RUNNING OUT OF OTHER PEOPLE’S MONEY…YOU IDIOT! How‘s that Marxism workin’ for ya, ya ol’ goat? Ah, not a prob for you?…Oh, that’s cause you took yours OFF THE TOP, FIRST! Oh, I see….that’s how it works for SOME OF THE PEOPLE!….I get it!!
Report Post »My Sacred Honor
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:22pmmuthrluvbne
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 2:03pm
The socialist will revolt, and what are we going to do about? Let them take our country by force? Or will we stand up in front of them and say only over my cold dead body?
LOL….relax….if (when) TSHTF, you will see with your own eyes what will happen, and those wanting to belong to the winning side (America) will follow those of us in the lead. I’m NOT scared by this, just breathing a sigh of relief that the talking is finally done and we can watch this play out. People like Chomsky are getting moist over the prospects of their ….lol…“revolution” being inspired by Egypt. I on the other hand and sitting here remembering the live stream video of them throwing rocks at each other, and the now-famous fool running out with bread head-gear on to protect him from rocks.
This is America.
Amendment 2 – Right to Bear Arms.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Article 1, section 8 of the Constitution: (Powers of Congress)
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
In short, you see how many posters make clain to their stock and ammo, so don’t be worried, just be prepared. We as a Nation will NEVER be taken by our own.
Thank GOD the framers saw to these provisions!
Semper Fi and chin up! I ain’t heard no fat lady yet, not even backstage rehersing!
Report Post »My Sacred Honor
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:27pmAZDEB! Howyadoin’, darlin’?
Report Post »Johnadda
Posted on February 18, 2011 at 12:38amWHY do they ALWAYS LIE to support their facts??? He says stop their pensions that‘s just a LIE and just trying to incite the public employee’s even more. The public employee’s are being requested to pay more towards their pension contributions and pay more towards their health care coverage. Presently they contribute minimal amounts unlike the private employee/citizen who pay their Salaries.The reason is obvious! the Unions want to bankrupt the state and then get the Government to bale them out, just as long as the unions and their members are OK it doesn’t matter about anyone else. Remember the Unions paid a lot of money to get Obama in, now they need the money back.
Report Post »Johnadda
Posted on February 18, 2011 at 12:46amMaybe we need all the employers (the Public) to start their own march telling the employee‘s that the people don’t want to keep over paying and subsidizing the public employee’s and they should get the same as the Employer. THE EMPLOYER; the tax paying member of the private work force that the public employee’s are suppose to work for and answer too
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 18, 2011 at 5:36pmThe funny thing about you tea-baggers is that you are yelling at your fellow americans, the true patriots to shut up and take it, while the wealthest 2 %, not only not pay thier fair share, the congressman and governors you voted for are giving their corporate masters additional tax breaks at the expense of the budget and of woring americans.
The Tea-Baggers are nothing more than dumb sheep used to divided do the bidding of the Koch brothers and others.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 18, 2011 at 5:39pm@SLAPTHELEFT
Thats a lie, government workers make no where near the same as private. The phony stat that Fox News uses, takes into the average, jobs that have no counterpart in the public sector, like hamburger flipper at McDonalds or greeter at Walmart. This artificially lowers the private sector average. There is nothing fair or honest about Fox, and nothing intelligent about its viewers.
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