Beijing Police Detain Members of Illegal Church as They Gather for Easter
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BEIJING (AP) — Chinese police detained at least a dozen Christians belonging to an unregistered Beijing church as the congregants gathered Sunday to hold Easter services.
Police stopped the worshippers from the unregistered Shouwang church at they gathered near a public plaza in the city’s university district, then bussed them to a local police station. It was not immediately clear whether they were arrested.
Shouwang members have been trying to meet at the plaza in Beijing’s Haidian district every Sunday since the congregation was evicted from its usual rented place of worship three weeks ago, but they have been detained or put under house arrest each time.
A church member told The Associated Press by phone Saturday night that he and the church’s pastors and leaders were all under house arrest. The member would give only his English name, Kane, for fear of reprisals by officials.
While China’s Constitution guarantees freedom of religion, Christians are required to worship in churches run by state-controlled organizations — the Three-Self Patriotic Movement for Protestants and the Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association for Catholics.
However, more than 60 million Christians are believed to worship in unregistered “house” churches, compared to about 20 million in the state churches, according to scholars and church activists. The growth of house churches has accelerated in recent years, producing larger congregations that are far more conspicuous than the small groups of friends and neighbors that used to worship in private homes that gave the movement its name.
Their expansion and growing influence have unsettled China’s rulers, always suspicious of any independent social group that could challenge Communist authority.
Shouwang members have for years been at odds with Beijing officials over their right to worship. Tensions escalated earlier this month when the congregation was evicted from the Beijing restaurant where it had been holding services. Church leaders decided to temporarily hold services outdoors in a public space, prompting police to tape off the area and detain anyone who showed up to take part.
Shouwang leaders said in a statement last week that they tried to register with the government in 2006 but were rejected.
In December 2009, the church bought property in northwest Beijing for regular Sunday services but government interference prevented the group from occupying the space, the statement said.
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Comments (88)
nomercy63
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 12:35pmI am more fearful of religious zealots why dont you all listen to what you all say bunch of brainwashed zombies
Report Post »HoiPoloi2
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 12:33pmNo matter whose fault it is, when we buy cheap Chinese products we perpetuate the slave labor conditions imposed by that godless state. Repeal GATT now!
Report Post »TOPOFTHEGAME
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 12:13pm@
@JGRAMHAMIII All chuches in America that have paid off the church properties or even close. Cancel there 501/C/3 status. And start paying taxes on the properties. And start talking about what’s going on in the country on Sunday nights or other evenings thru the week.
Report Post »JGraham III
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 12:24pmagreed! However, there is another tax-exemption I’m told that carries no reporting of any “revenues”, and is a 508-a I think. It predates the use of the 501C-3 which was a device foisted on the churches by Lyndon B. Johnson when he was majority leader of the US Senate in the early 1950′s. The churches eagerly fell into the trap, giving up what they had already. Exemption or not, I will still give where I feel it appropriate without regard or approval from Uncle Sam. He is Risen!!
Report Post »TOPOFTHEGAME
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 12:04pmThe government is putting a silencer on the CHURCHES in America today, it’s called the 501/3/C. Another word for it, MUZZLE.
Report Post »JGraham III
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 12:01pmNo government of men can stop the advance of Christianity. The Church historically has thrived under persecution when it comes from outside the ‘walls’ of the Church. It is only when the enemy is “inside the gates” as it were that the Church has trouble: the wolves in sheep’s clothing syndrome. I have it from someone who has very reliable connections in China that there are upwards of 150 million christians attending ‘unauthorized’ church services. Not an unimpressive number especially when one considers that in China, to become a Christian is in many cases to surrender any and all job opportunities and family connections. So, they hide, convert their entire families and keep on keeping on, meeting in homes and staying under the radar. It is the power of answered prayers that draws more people every day.
Report Post »The Church in America has it so good, most don’t think they need much help from outside, nor do they see danger on the horizon from the good ol’ US of A. Mark my words: if the government can sucessfully confiscate retiree‘s 401K’s and other retirement plans, can taxation of church properties and collections be far behind? The house church movement in this country is alive and well, but needs to wise up to what their persecuted brethren already know: don’t go to the government for a thing. The less Caesar knows the better. I do not tithe so I can get a deduction off my federal taxes. Most times I won’t even list it. Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s. What I don‘t owe Caesar he doesn’t need nor does he need to know. The churches in America would do well to stay well away from the 501C-3 classification, as it tells the IRS EVERYTHING they want to know about your church. I believe the time has come for the Church here to reevaluate just how important that fancy new building is with all its expensive programs as opposed to winning the lost. It is time also to know who your friends are and be able to step back into obscurity if need be when trouble comes. China is a picture of what Christianity will be like here if we do not wise up.
mingfurecon
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 11:18amMao, the so called great helmsman was a sadist, as was Kang Sheng, and they loved watching people being tortured. He caused the death of 70 million easily while he himself lived and enjoyed everything that he deprived the people of. The long march was a myth as Mao was carried the entire way. Was it not just the other day that our own dear leader said we need to be more like China? So what are a few million deaths if it brings about control of thought through fear and intimidation. How else is one going to control freedom and liberty, the death knell to marxist/communist/socialist idiotology
Report Post »darlenekay
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 10:46amThis could be our future if we don’t get our debt under control. GOD BLESS America!
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 10:27amThe Constitution is a bill of negative liberties.
It tells the Fed and State what it can’t do.
But if the law doesn’t specify exactly what cannot be done by the Fed and State, then the Fed and State feels it can perform that action, until legislation specifically prohibits that action.
Case and point, I was told by the Cleveland Police that the Cleveland Municipal School District has the authority to issue children “Identification cards” for the purpose of “securing” the PUBLIC building, to “enhance safety”, and to “expedite” media center and cafeteria services.
It’s called the P.R.I.D.E. program, for “Priority Recognition and Increased Data Efficiency”.
That acronym just said that kids with their police state ID cards will get “Priority Recognition” for getting library books and lunches (favortism), and that their tracking of my child will have “Increased Data Efficiency”.
The ID cards were issued without parental authority, without notifying parents ( I just got a notification over the Easter Holiday…I don’t wonder if that was deliberate) and they used photographs that were obtained from class pictures. As you know your kid can’t even get a library card without your permission. Children are NOT required by State Law to carry an ID. But these Nazis told me that my kid couldn’t come and go to school, a public building, not a federal building, without their student ID cards and that they wouldn’t be able to get library books or lunch without their Police State ID cards.
The Nazis then told me that PARENTS would not be allowed to enter the school building, a PUBLIC building, without showing them a State ID or Driver’s License.
I contacted the FBI, Local Police, School Administrators, Councilman, none of them could give me an explanation with a basis in law that gives them the authority to restrict access to public places and demand the showing of identification to enter a public building. They also couldn’t give me a basis in law for the illegal search at the door of a Public School without probable cause. They couldn’t explain what law gives them the authority to issue ID cards to children.
This is what happens when the public is not informed enough about the law and their rights. The State and Feds will TRAMPLE all over your rights and violate any law.
The Police Officer told me that the School District isn’t breaking any laws, but after researching the Ohio Revised Code and Cleveland City Ordinance, there are several laws on the books prohibiting this type of overstep of authority.
Namely Kidnapping, Interfering with Civil Liberties, and Unlawful Restraint. So you can see that this is selective enforcement by the Police because it furthers their police state agenda.
I’m sure people can see numerous problems with your public school issuing ID cards to your kids. They’re already indoctrinating them and training them to accept the Police State that is being erected around them, namely being erected around their school.
There is no probable cause to search me at the ingress and egress of a public place or building. The sidewalk and School Building is one continuous public area. There is no right to set up a checkpoint for illegal searches at any public place. If that were the case, residents in a community could barricade their entire neighborhood with checkpoints and not allowa person the liberty to pass until some form of illegal search is done and some State ID or Driver’s license is shown.
We all know we can’t do that. So why the hell can they? They get their powers from us. The authority they exercise is the same authority we have the right to exercise, all the way down to arresting a person at gunpoint.
This is the arbitrary expansion of powers by authorities without any basis in law, without any consultation from the general public, and without any recourse.
This is a symptom of “creeping martial law”. You can imagine if they have the authority to stop you at the ingress and egress of a public area and demand your ID (Your papers, please!), and deny access to public areas, then TECHNICALLY they can come right up to your front door or sidewalk and prevent access to the outside unless you show them your papers!
You do realize that your cell ends where the sidewalk begins, and that sidewalk and street is like a hallway in a giant prison where the Corrections Officers prowl about looking for someone to harrass…
Are we going to let them intimidate us into staying in our cell? Are we going to let them trample all over our rights with “Color of Law”, where there is no legal basis for their actions, but they’re just going to do it anyway?
REVOLT.
So what that the law may not specifically state “They have no right to prevent access to public areas or perform illegal searches without probable cause”.
Any rights not specifically delegated to the FED is reserved to the States and the PEOPLE respectively.
Nullification.
Report Post »Tyr
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 10:21amIn the words of Blazers (that I read here all the time) about other stories where people are unjustly treated, “Well, that IS the LAW. They should have OBEYED the LAW. They should have known better, They had it coming.” Hypocrites!!
Report Post »APatriotFirst
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 10:20amLet not your heart be troubled………….
Lift up your heart………
Give this video a moment to make you feel good today……….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5dSIL358NM
Report Post »curmudgeon60
Posted on April 26, 2011 at 7:11amA Huge THANK YOU to APatriotFirst and PA Patriot for posting the youtube Resurrection Day Dances! I so appreciated it! Both the Dances and the Songs are SO uplifting–It gives renewed hope to what we all face daily-such an AWESOME reminder of what its all about!!!
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 10:18amJESUS GOD, how we pray for our brothers and sisters in the faith around the world.
LORD, YOU have our names carved into the palms of YOUR hands. YOU have numbered the hairs on our heads and YOU have gathered our tears into bottles. YOU know our going out and our coming in. YOU love us. WOW!
We ask YOUR presence and protection around each of us, LORD. Things are heating up down here which is no surprise to YOU, of course. Grant us courage, GOD, to stand for YOU, without fear and in complete confidence in YOUR promises to us as YOUR beloved children.
HAPPY RESURRECTION DAY, LORD!
In YOUR HOLY NAME, we pray, amen.
Report Post »nomercy63
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 12:56pmJesus God???????????? THOU SHALL HAVE NO GOD BEFORE ME?? little confused here guess we need to chunk out the ten commandments here. zealots zealots just as bad as the taliban if christians had there way it wont belong before they come for you and toss you into the fire because you dont believe what they do. You think the Nazi machine rose from some drooling hound of hell?? no, mostly good christian folk!!!!!!
Report Post »momsense
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 10:13amBe aware Christian America—it’s coming to a religious institution near you in the near future, if the Commies have their way.
Report Post »transformit
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 10:04amHappy Easter . I had watched a must see movie, A Man called Peter. Peter Marshall was a minister in Washington,his sermon’s were so inspiring, the way incorporated our constitution God and our way of life
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 10:32am@TRANSFORMIT ~~~ Saw that movie when I was very young (8-12). It has impacted my life all these years. I agree with you. It IS a “must see” for CHRISTIANS, esp.
HAPPY EASTER to you!
Report Post »freedom4ever
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 9:54amall i can say is He is risen! Happy Easter everyone – wish the Christians around the world a safe Easter also especially the ones in china that are in jail!
Report Post »mcpbob
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 9:45amThis is why we should not be trading with China….. their Human Rights are non exisitant , if China wants to do business with the U.S. they need to change their ways.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 10:12am@MCPBOB ~~~ agreed!!!
Report Post »1Dave
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 9:09amWhy isn’t Obama and Google fanning a civil war in China?
Possibly because their actions in the middle east accidentally spread into their friend Qaddafi’s Libya.?
A new word for us – PINO – rhymes with RINO and stands for President In Name Only.
Report Post »You know the story. Spread it across the nation.
TRUTHandFREEDOM
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 9:00amThis is why we have the 1st amendment;
“ Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
or PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF;
or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press;
or THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE PEACEABLY TO ASSEMBLE,
and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Report Post »loadingmyclips
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 8:54amThere is nothing like a government enforcing their rules!! Kinda reminds me of what happened to Pastor Jones!!
Report Post »nomercy63
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 8:52amWith all the religious crap put aside do any of you realize that China is a COMMUNIST COUNTRY what a bunch of morons. It isnt about religion it could be about let me see how many children you can have what you can eat or what you can study at school it could be about how long your hair is anything they decide so SHUT UP ABOUT THE RELIGION STUFF it is just another method of control a population got it.
Report Post »teddrunk
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 9:05amMy my, so much religious hatred on an Easter morning. I’ll pray for you.
Report Post »nomercy63
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 12:46pmHMMMMM Easter????? There shall be no God before me!!!!! I read that someplace wonder where just cant think of it HMMM I think it was long before Jesus but his name wasn’t Jesus but Joshua and Jesus(Joshua) rejected the way the Temples were run but now I can buy some crappy crosses at the gift shops and a plastic Virgin Mary’s and I forgot keep the Sabbath holy I read that somewhere too just cant think of it with all the folks shopping and so forth on Sundays. Dont pray for me I will pray for you
Report Post »teddrunk
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 1:53pmLet’s all hold hands, pass out the Obama holy pictures, and sing a hippie Mother Earth song.
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 3:48pmSecular humanism or social justice as it’s called today is a religion. Supreme Court said so in 1961. So quit shoving your non religion religion down our throats. OH, praise GOD Jesus lives and is risen.
Report Post »teddrunk
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 8:51amLet’s see. Commie China attacks Christians trying to pray, yet we buy Commie Chinese cheap products from places like Wal-Mart, on our way home from Sunday Service. Disgusting.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 8:58amand to top it off, their products are pure crap!!!!!!
Report Post »teddrunk
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 9:03amAgreed, it is crap
Report Post »bikerr
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 9:09am@teddrunk —- @RepubliCorp What will you ,or what are you doing about it? whatever it is do more.
Report Post »Dale
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 9:10amCome on Ted, you’re really a troll, right? Why else would you bring up Wal-Mart?
Report Post »teddrunk
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 9:45amDale, I have nothing against Wal-Mart. The left does because of unions. I despise unions. My point was pointing out the hypocrisy of us marching to Church today, as Christians, and stopping on the way home and buying a product from a regime that attacks fellow Christians. Seems kind of hypocritical to me. What am I doing about it. Trying not to buy Chinese products, which I admit, is getting harder to do every day.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 10:10am@TEDDRUNK ~~~
Hooray for your stand vs. chinese products. We do the same. I even “play a game” when shopping. It rather embarrasses my husband, and probably should embarrass me as well, but it does my heart good. I pick up an item to see where it was made and when I see “Made In China” I do and say (quite loudly) one of the following:
1. UGH! Another piece of trash with poisoned paint!
2. Oh, goody! More poison from china.
3. Argggggh. Isn’t there anything in this store made in the USA? or at least in this hemisphere?
4. Oh, yes! More child and women slavery!!!! Wa-hoo!
Or some such nonsense. Makes me feel better for a little while and I hope it makes people think, maybe.
I’ve even written Wal Mart and asked if they could please form a section in their stores that says, “MADE IN AMERICA”! No response, of course, but I try.
Report Post »teddrunk
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 10:44amKIck..lol..I like your style on that one. I’ll have to try that too.
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 3:45pmLast month my 17 year old water heater finally gave in to rust and age. In need of another one I set off to home depot with my wife and my plumber, who is also a close friend (a conservative friend ) of mine. We looked, and were about to choose one when I noticed they were all General Electrics, to my wides embarrassment I shouted “there’s no American made Water heaters here, let’s go to Lowes.”. Got our whirlpool water heater , made in the USA, and live is good, thanks Lowes.
Report Post »riseandshine
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 3:48pmFree trade is good, remember?……..not. Ross Perot warned us. Both the Republicans and the Democrats pushed through NAFTA and GATT and gave us the WTO…that giant sucking sound Perot spoke of happened just like he said it would…Those treaties, along with turning a blind eye to the illegals flooding across our southern border, was very detrimental to our economic stability and sovereignty..But I voted for Papa Bush. It was either him or Clinton, and there was no way I could vote for Clinton.
Report Post »TennesseeConservative
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 8:45amChinese Govt. will fall, just as Rome fell.You cannot defy GOD and prosper. Our founders got it right, all men are endowed with inalienable rights, by our Creator. That number 1 right, is the freedom to worship and serve the 1 true Living GOD. It did not work out to well for Egypt either. Happy Resurrection Day. Death has been defeated. There is no other name under heaven, in which a man can be saved. That name Jesus Christ. Who else got up out of the Grave and is alive still. No one else.
Report Post »stmike
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 9:54amYou’re absolutely right but think about what you just said and apply that to the united states. We’ve allowed how many children to be aborted in the last 30years? Hmmm and the commandments, not following those very well. This republic was blessed by God for a long time but look at the republic and the states now. All these problems with government, and getting worse not better. Then look at ancient Israel before and up to their exile. Sin. And then,”No priest,prophet or king.” Bad government? Punishment for sin! What loving father does not chastise his child that has gone wrong? God is not beyond hitting us between the eyes with a 2X4 to get our attention.
Report Post »jacobstroubles
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 8:39amThe 7 years of tribulation is about to start. Those who have killed, raped murdered, punished, tortured will have 7 years. Less God cuts the days short, there will be no flesh left on the earth.
Report Post »macpappy
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 9:06amThats what my Grandpa, his Grandpa, and his Grandpa, said to everybody too.
Report Post »You better put more faith in your own means than to believe some all seeing being is going to whisk you away from all the bad people. If you have’nt noticed, people that believe in such primative relegions are the ones causing all the worlds problems, where it be Christians, Jews, Muslims, or Druids. One thing is for sure, agnostics, and athiests are not at war with anybody.
Dale
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 9:11ampappy, you mean like the communists?
Report Post »UpstateNYConservative
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 9:26am@”…macpappy
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 9:06am
“…One thing is for sure, agnostics, and athiests are not at war with anybody.”
_______________________
You ought to see, then, some of the things the liberal atheists say here about Christians and Jews, and directly to some of us. We can’t even get them to concede a live-and-let-live stance. Every day, it’s the same tired rhetoric, though many have constantly responded to put right the record the lib is trying to maintain. No matter what, that same liberal or others will come back and post the same thing! Day after day, month after month–the same tired talking points. They do not listen, they do not care to.
Maybe you have a different definition, but I call that being at war.
And, no–I do not wish to engage a discussion with you. I’m simply telling you what goes on, and nothing more.
Report Post »branch manager
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 4:00pmmacpappy = moron
Report Post »johnkostik
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 8:35amBlessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.—Matthew 5:10
Report Post »HE IS RISEN; HE IS RISEN, INDEED!
DTOM_Jericho (leaving PA)
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 9:01amBut they weren’t. They were prosecuted for a pagan fertility celebration. Claiming to do so for Him is a huge no-no.
Deut. 12:30-31
“… be careful not to be ensnared by inquiring about their gods, saying, “How do these nations serve their gods? We will do the same.” 31 You must not worship the LORD your God in their way, because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the LORD hates. …”
Report Post »SlimnRanger
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 9:10amAmen John, I am so thankfull here in America we can still attend the Church of our choice
Report Post »NOTAMUSHROOM
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 8:35amThis is where we are heading. Why can’t the Progressives see that?
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 8:55ambecause progressives love telling people what the can and cant do………..
Report Post »Dale
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 9:05amThey do, and they can’t wait.
Report Post »Robert-CA
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 1:37pmI’m sure that the commies in the W H are cheering for this .
Report Post »Mannax
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 8:32amThis is exactly what the founders were meaning when they mentioned a separation between church and state. To keep the state out of the church’s business.
Report Post »ISeeDanger.com
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 8:34amEvery time we buy something made in China, we are hiring a “China Slave”. No one wants to admit it, but the are. They are our slaves that work for $2 a day and we turn our heads.
Report Post »Shout it with me..
This is what democracy looks like!
http://www.ISeeDanger.com
NOTAMUSHROOM
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 8:37amThe Founders did NOT mention “separation of church and state”. Thomas Jefferson “mentioned it” in a letter and it has been misconstrued by many ever since.
Report Post »NOTAMUSHROOM
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 8:42am@Iseedanger
The master has become the slave. The Chinese have used their “drones” to enslave us for the enrichment of their political class. It’s not our fault that their drones are treated like slaves. Now it‘s our turn to be the Chinese’s drones.
Very sad that we’ve been so stupid.
Report Post »Mannax
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 8:55amNOTAMUSHROOM
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 8:37am
The Founders did NOT mention “separation of church and state”. Thomas Jefferson “mentioned it” in a letter and it has been misconstrued by many ever since.
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That is what I meant. Not quite awake this morning.
Report Post »VET4TRUTH
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 9:11amIf it were not for the outragous cost to make products in the U.S. (Unions) Companies would not need to manufacture goods in China.
Report Post »79USMC83
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 9:13amThomas Jefferson was one of the FOUNDERS !!!!! One of the MAIN ones!!! Church‘s do not pay tax’s so they are seperate from the State !!!
Report Post »79USMC83
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 9:17amThe First Amendment reads “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ….”, while Article VI specifies that “no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.”
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 9:21am@Mannax:
Exactly, we do, for now, have the freedom of worship, or not to worship in the manner we chose so long as it does not infringe forcefully upon the liberties of another person. In China, they use those of the Christian faith as a kind of scape goat for when social problems start developing into larger and larger cracks that could undermind the whole system.
Report Post »Smitty1969
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 9:25amLib’s think separation of church and state is to keep the church from taking over the government. The truth is the government has always taken over the church. A liberal will always say “that is ridiculous”. Truth being power hungry governments need to control the heart’s of the people, seizing the church is a fast track to that end.
Report Post »APatriotFirst
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 9:42amhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5dSIL358NM
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 10:58amComing to America??
Report Post »sooner12
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 3:13pmMay God bless and protect these Chinese Christians.
Report Post »Highland
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 3:35pmBehold your future, America.
Report Post »thinkinghuman
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 6:25pmThe Founders did NOT mention church and state, and it is NOT in the Constitution. Read the 1st Amendment and learn it. That’s ALL the Constitution says about churches.
Report Post »Gundalyn
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 6:34pmActually, if you read up you will see that the Founders never said any such thing about a ‘separation of church and state’. They actually prayed in the state houses and even held church services. What they did say was that we should be ‘free FROM religion’; meaning we have the right to worship and we please and the government shall impose no religion upon us. One of the biggest misconceptions is that the Founders were not of God and that cannot be further from the truth! The called on HIM every step of the way and if you read some of David Barton’s books (for a start) you will see this to be true.
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