‘Big Lie’: Former Clinton Appointee Claims Obamacare Doesn’t Raise Taxes…By Much
- Posted on June 29, 2012 at 7:55pm by
Mytheos Holt
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The process of watching Current TV is, we imagine, rather similar to the process of talking a mental patient through his delusions. You find yourself in a world that is perfectly logically consistent, but whose factual premises bear absolutely no resemblance to the reality you know and love. It is a curious and rather disturbing experience. Fortunately, therapy is available from this site, as well as from other, similar outlets.
Today’s strange argument of the day comes from Former Clinton-era Labor Secretary Robert B. Reich, who appeared on Current TV as a sort of pseudo-fact checker regarding Mitt Romney’s recent statements that Obamacare raises taxes by $500 billion, and cuts Medicare by $500 billion. Reich claimed both weren’t the case, citing no evidence except to say that Romney’s plans are worse. Well, alright, then. Watch the segment below:
Why are Reich’s claims so delusional? Well, because he says, firstly, that he doesn’t know of a single credible study that says that Obamacare will raise taxes by $500 billion. Funny, because we’re pretty sure the Congressional Budget Office is a credible source. ABC News reports:
The Romney campaign’s explanation for why Obamacare is rife with taxes is testimony from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office that the ACA will raise approximately $500 billion in taxes over its first 10 years.
According to the CBO, this claim is right.
According to the CBO’s latest, revised estimates released in March 2012, the reform law raises “$510 billion in receipts and other budgetary effects (primarily revenues from penalties and other sources)”—including the “individual mandate” tax penalty and penalties on employers.
And what about the Medicare claim? Well, according to the Chief Actuary for Medicare andd Medicaid, that’s also true, albeit with soem caveats. Again, from ABC News’ fact check:
So does it “cut” Medicare by $500 billion?
Medicare spending will continue to grow, according to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), but ACA will slow that growth. According to a report from the Kaiser Family Health Foundation over the next 10 years, the federal government will devote about $500 billion less to Medicare than it would have without ACA.
CMS and the Kaiser Family Foundation tell ABC News that there will be no benefit cuts to Medicare. They say instead of Medicare’s being cut, there will be much more spending at the end of a 10-year window, but it does slow the rate of that growth. This is all unless Congress makes drastic changes to Medicare, for example passing House Budget Chairman Rep. Paul Ryan’s Medicare Plan.
So Reich is two for two on that front. You would think a former Labor Secretary would know how to read government data, but alas, that is apparently not to be.
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Comments (44)
davetrav
Posted on June 30, 2012 at 9:02amSir, with all due respect—YOU can tell the real truth because as America is getting wiser toward Obama and all the damage he has done, you have to realize that the job he gave you will be gone soon,
Report Post »You may now go where no media has gone before–THE TRUTH ZONE.
hugo65hsv
Posted on June 30, 2012 at 7:41amI’m glad to see the focus is on the Presidents unforgivable inexcusable lies.. If he lied about this what else has he lied about? The President his administration, the Democrats in Congress and the Senate are perpetrators of unconscionable crimes upon the American people… Now their selling that it’s not so bad? The only path to justice left for the American people is to Vote these socialist liberals and progressives out and keep them out.. Once and for all times..
Report Post »EP46
Posted on June 30, 2012 at 6:29amI make under $250.000 per year. Will obamacare raise my TAXES over 10 cents ? YES…obama sold America a LIE about taxes and a LIE about lowering the cost of health care. Just as the Muslim Brotherhood said they WOULD NOT run a candidate for president in Egypt. obama only LIES when he opens his mouth.
Report Post »DWilliams08
Posted on June 30, 2012 at 5:50amNo matter what side you are on, go to youtube and watch Reich comment about the economy or read his op-eds on the subject, and ask yourself honestly if you would give this man YOUR money to invest.
Report Post »DIR
Posted on June 30, 2012 at 12:33amReich: ‘Big Lie’: Former Clinton Appointee Claims Obamacare Doesn’t Raise Taxes…By Much.’
First it was nothing, now it’s not by much! Liberals are so giving, I‘m sure Robert won’t mind paying for mine when the time comes, because it’s not much. I think I’m finally getting the drill. If I want it, I’m going to get it. I can’t think of a nicer guy who should pay for it, since he thinks I should have it. Liberals are really giftuous when it comes to giving away other peoples money. I think Romney should say if libs want all this stuff, libs can pay for it, Give them what they want, make them happy. He can also have the long arm of the IRS take it from them. I know I for one would be real thankful to Romney and Libs
Report Post »neighborhoodfool
Posted on June 30, 2012 at 12:26amFolks…It is absolutely vital that we realize…That since congress legalized sodomy…They have embraced it with a feverish need when it comes to you and me….Just keep reminding yourself…That less is more…..And be grateful for you are about to ‘recieve’ !!!!!!
Report Post »AUsername
Posted on June 30, 2012 at 12:20amRomney raised taxes in his state and his legislation did the same when put into law for the entire country.
Report Post »EP46
Posted on June 30, 2012 at 6:31amRomney had a DEMOCRATIC state house.
Report Post »SandyfromChesterfield
Posted on June 29, 2012 at 10:53pmI guess you have to give him some slack since he is a Communist that believes his own lies.
Report Post »garbagecanlogic
Posted on June 29, 2012 at 10:38pmThen pay mine……..you midget thinking fool.
Praise Be To Obama. Psalm 109:8
The U.S. Out Of The U.N.
Report Post »The U.N. Out Of The U.S.
Tri-ox
Posted on June 29, 2012 at 10:24pmRight, monkey. It’s only the largest single tax increase in U.S. history – that’s all – move along, nothing to see here …
Reich is a sworn enemy of the United States, and a paid obama propagandist.
Report Post »Welcome Black Carter
Posted on June 30, 2012 at 12:24amSpeaking of hacks… Geraldo was on the O show tonight. Said he is a Republican… man, I did not see that comming. I have never seen an interview where I thought we were rooting for the same team. Most of the time I’d swear he raising the other teams pom-poms…
Report Post »WEBWITHDEB
Posted on June 30, 2012 at 11:24amI would add about Geraldo: I think when the body reading expert comes on again, she “read” his body language when he tipped his head down and brushed his hair back! That is the tell of a LIE, trying to cover his face, he’s so ashamed of being looked in the eye as he was spinning yarns.
Report Post »Inlightofthings
Posted on June 29, 2012 at 9:57pmThis hack offers nothing…absolutely nothing and just needs to go away…and take Krugman with him…
Report Post »donh2
Posted on June 29, 2012 at 9:21pmHere is the Original TRUTH about Healthcare spoken by Robert 4th Reich . This law has cast the SHADOW OF DEATH over America. Its power comes directly from SATAN…> http://youtu.be/CtOs7Yce6Fw
Report Post »MAMMY_NUNN
Posted on June 29, 2012 at 9:14pmVeterans can say bye bye to the Va healthcare also you will be forced into the states system.
Report Post »Brasil2520
Posted on June 29, 2012 at 9:07pmLOL ! – A guy named Reich, quotes Goebbels
Here is the quote from Dr. Josef Goebbels Ph.D.
Report Post »His work motto from the 1930′s – “Any lie, frequently repeated, will gradually gain acceptance”
South Philly Boy
Posted on June 29, 2012 at 8:54pmNow just about EVERYONE Knows that Fed Govt DRASTICALLY UNDERESTIMATES COST
Report Post »I.Heart.America
Posted on June 29, 2012 at 8:44pmWe The People DECLARE Our Independence From ObamaCare
https://secure.freedomworks.org/site/SPageNavigator/Declare%20Independence/Declare_Independence.html&s_subsrc=AWDeclare?gclid=CJ-7-ard9LACFQeznQodgTkw8A
Report Post »MIBUGNU2
Posted on June 29, 2012 at 8:43pmAll you have to say is “Berkeley” and you know right of
Report Post »the bat, that you are talking to a “Bald Faced Liar” and a
Liberal that has no problem regurgitating obama lies with
the greatest of ease..usually from the Daily WH MEMO..
Just visualize Jarrett and her Chicago Thugs sending
The WH Memo out each morning..just listen for the KEY
Term of the WEEK, ie: Hostage, last week the word was
“Witch Hunt” …not hard to see thru these AH’s……
Alborn49
Posted on June 29, 2012 at 8:43pmTo all seniors out there you better wake up. Due to Obamacare the premiums for medicare par tB is scheduled to go up to 240.00 a month in 2014. That is up from 207.00 a month right now. How many of you can afford to pay this? Pass this around on all the senior websites your can find. Seniors are expected to help pay for everyone else. This does not include the 500,000 already taken from medicare programs to help fund this monster of government power grab. Wake-Up vote against every D on the ballot in November. We need the senate the house and the WH.
Report Post »MIBUGNU2
Posted on June 29, 2012 at 9:05pm@Alborn49
Posted on June 29, 2012 at 8:43pm
You said they’ve taken $500.000……..How about $500,000,000,000.00
Report Post »Pelosi and her Band of Fools took 500 BILLION out of Medicare.. to
PAY for this OBAMA RIP….THEY keep dipping into the Medicare Kitty,
and these THIEVES tell us it’s running out of money.. WONDER WHY ??
MIBUGNU2
Posted on June 29, 2012 at 9:24pm@Alborn49
Posted on June 29, 2012 at 8:43pm
I wasn’t trying to be a wise azz, by correcting your #’s..But it really
Report Post »makes me sick when these Pelosi, Reid, Obama thieves do this BS
on a daily basis.. These Crapweasels have had their thieving hands
in the Medicare cookie jar for years. Pelosi has been in Congress for
over 40 Years, so SHE has been to the COOKIE JAR more than once..
I know this is hard to do.. you can see the cookie crumbs in the corner’s
of her mouth…check it out !!
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/111th-congress-added-more-debt-first-100-congresses-combined-10429-person-us
EP46
Posted on June 30, 2012 at 6:34amMedicare will be allowed to go bankrupt. There will only be ONE National Health Care program in the U.S. That is why obamacare has the death panels for seniors. obamacare would not have provisions for seniors if they intended to keep Medicare. If the U.S. cannot support Medicare, we sure cannot support Medicare, Medicaid, and obamacare. It will be ONE program. Wake up Seniors….obamacare will END MEDICARE.
Report Post »MeteoricLimbo
Posted on June 29, 2012 at 8:41pmIsn’t that a tad more then “One single dime”
Report Post »cookcountypatriot
Posted on June 29, 2012 at 8:40pmhes nothing but a progressive white slave doing exactly what his masters tell him to do…..which of course we all know is lie………its a massive tax ….ask clair mcaskill ..she had her nose up obummers arse for 4 yrs …now not a peep…..lol
Report Post »biffo
Posted on June 29, 2012 at 8:32pmThis mealy mouthed little troll would be in a circus if it weren‘t for the liberal tendency to field a freak show with ’credentials’. They lie, always. They need to go you cannot reason with these disturbed cretins.
Report Post »S-O-B-E-R
Posted on June 29, 2012 at 8:30pmCan someone help me out here, please? King O and his minions are going around saying it’s not a tax, that that’s only what the chief justice called it, but it’s not a tax. Didn’t the majority opinion say that the law would not stand with the commerce clause, penalty argument? So how do they reconcile that?
Report Post »taxpro4u03
Posted on June 29, 2012 at 11:26pm“Gentlemen, you can call a lamb’s tail a leg, and say it has 5 legs, and most would come to concur over time; however, calling his tail a leg does not make it so. His tail is not a leg. It is still a tail.” ~ Abraham Lincoln
Linguistic gymnastics aside — the Chief Justice stated it IS a tax… otherwise it could NOT have been ruled ‘constitutional.’ – Legislation from the bench… a ‘penalty’ is ‘failure to perform’ a LAWFUL act as required. —
Report Post »Wait — Jefferson said “Nullification of an unauthorized, unlawful act of government is the rightful remedy.”
Stiggs
Posted on June 29, 2012 at 8:22pmTruest two words – “You lie.”
Report Post »rickc34
Posted on June 29, 2012 at 8:35pmObama and the demon-craps do not know how to tell the truth. first they said it was not a tax now it is a tax but just a little, when is the lying going to end. and then the irs is the brown shirts for Obamas nazi troop.
Report Post »EP46
Posted on June 30, 2012 at 6:36amWhen Joe Wilson shouted ‘You Lie’ it was about covering ILLEGALS…well, obamacare DOES cover illegals. And who pays? The middle class of course.
Report Post »WEBWITHDEB
Posted on June 30, 2012 at 11:30amWho have all these liars associated with? Those that worship in a system that says lying (tacquiiya — sp?) is permissible?
Report Post »Stiggs
Posted on June 29, 2012 at 8:20pm“If big lies are told often enough, people will start believing them”…”these lies are going to be backed with very clever advertisements…”
IMHO…Sounds like he is describing a particular candidate from the 2008 presidential campaign, if you ask me. Hmm…hmm…hmm.
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on June 29, 2012 at 8:07pmReich is a filthy lying imp and I’m sick and tired of these stupid bastards lying every time they open their sewer mouths.There’s 21 new taxes imposed on us with this F d up law that Reich is excited about,probably because like all dems they don‘t pay taxes that’s why they constantly raise them.
This law just expanded government which is bad for liberty and we don’t need inch high private eye ******* down our backs and telling us it’s raining.
Report Post »MIBUGNU2
Posted on June 29, 2012 at 8:34pmAll you have to say is “Berkeley” and you know right of
Report Post »the bat, that you are talking to a “Bald Faced Liar” and a
Liberal that has no problem regurgitating obama lies with
the greatest of ease..usually from the Daily WH MEMO..