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Bill Donohue Slams This Leaked Soros-Sponsored Faith Org’s E-mail Coaching Media Against Catholic Bishops

Bill Donohue Speaks Out Against Faith in Public Life Over Media E mail

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We’ve told you before about the George Soros-funded organization Faith in Public Life (FPL). As previously reported, Faith in Public Life received a two-year $450,000 grant in 2009 from Soros’ Open Society Institute (partially tied to the group’s work toward achieving immigration reform).

This week, the organization is, once again, finding itself embroiled in controversy. Catholic League President Bill Donohue claims that John Gehring, Catholic outreach coordinator for FPL, recently e-mailed leftist talking points and interview tips to the media. The subject at hand? The controversial contraceptive mandate.

(Related: Catholics to Launch Massive Religious Freedom Offensive to Celebrate the ‘Christian & American Heritage of Liberty’)

The allegation is based on a leaked e-mail that Donohue intercepted and it comes during the same week that the Catholic Church plans to launch a religious freedom offensive. The top of the supposed e-mail, which is published on the Catholic League’s web site reads, “FOR BACKGROUND PURPOSES ONLY” and it claims that it was addressed to “Reporters, Editors, Columnists.”

“Given the charged political backdrop of this high-profile initiative — five months before a presidential election in which Catholics will be swing voters in key states — it’s important that journalists covering these efforts separate fact from fiction, ask critical questions about the Bishops’ sweeping claims and have access to Catholic experts who can provide clear analysis,” the email reads, going on to provide talking points as well as interview subjects that media outlets are invited to speak with.

One portion of the e-mail even offers up suggested questions that journalists can ask of the Bishops:

Bill Donohue Speaks Out Against Faith in Public Life Over Media E mail

A screen shot from the Faith in Public Life e-mail "coaching" journalists

Earlier this week, here’s what Donohue wrote about the e-mail:

June 21 marks the beginning of the “Fortnight for Freedom” events, the campaign for religious liberty being conducted by the nation’s bishops. Fair-minded persons may disagree with this effort, but there is something unseemly going on when those who work for a George Soros-funded group are quietly providing talking points to the media. [...]

On June 7, Gehring sent a memo to his buddies in the media (a copy of which was generously leaked to me—click here) instructing them on how to handle the bishops. They should begin by questioning the prelates why the Obama “accommodation” wasn’t good enough. “You have to ask why the bishops can’t take yes for an answer,” he wrote.

Teaching them how to handle the “war on the Catholic Church,” Gehring advises, “Several bishops have used inflammatory and irresponsible rhetoric that conflates a process of working through complex policy issues with a fundamental attack on the Catholic Church.” He also frets over the politicization of the religious liberty campaign, an effort made possible, he neglects to say, because of the politicization of religion by President Obama.

Bill Donohue Speaks Out Against Faith in Public Life Over Media E mail

Catholic League President Bill Donohue

Considering the notion that FLP purportedly sent the e-mail out to journalists in an effort to co-opt the conversation in its favor, The Blaze reached out to Gehring for comment.

“My position on that is that I’m not going to comment,” he said when reached via telephone.

After explaining that refusing to comment would likely create even more questions in the minds of readers, he reiterated his choice not to provide statements about the e-mail (read the full e-mail here).

“Gehring provides a go-to list of Catholic activists who can be counted on to subvert the bishops’ message,” Donohue concludes in his blog post. “It’s what we would expect from a George Soros group.”

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  • nowens
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 5:04am

    I’m not a Catholic by any means, but the Devil can’t buy truth Christian people with money. And I think that is what has happened. They have tried to quiet the Godly with money. I believe there are a lot of good Christian people among the Catholics that know what is going on…

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    • The Third Archon
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 5:07am

      You are right–the devil can’t do that, because the devil doesn’t exist.

      But, if the devil DID exist, he would be a far more sympathetic figure as portrayed in Christianity, than God.

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    • OneTermPresident
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 7:13am

      @THE THIRD ARCHON… Fortunately for you… he allows U-Turns. The Devil.. don’t be the poster boy for the slogan.. “What you don‘t know can’t hurt you”.. it already has.

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    • johnpaulkuchtajr
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 7:59am

      You may want to google the video interview when Soros revealed the magnitude of the evil that rests in his persona.

      Soros was being interviewed by an attractive young woman who obviously caused Soros to drop his guard. Soros began describing how, as a 14 yo during WW II, he used to accompany his uncle (I believe) on rounds to the homes of Jews to confiscate their property. Soros described that he was absolutely euphoric and remembered this time as one of the best in his life.

      At the moment he uttered those words, I had a flash to the old Rolling Stones lyrics “I was there when Jesus died….,“ ”rode a tank, held a general’s rank.”

      I’d love to share my thoughts on what should happen to Soros; but, they would never be published. Just imagine the most hideous end for a human being to endure times ten and that should be Soros’ fate.

      Having said that about Soros and being a lapsed Catholic as a result of many Roman Catholic priests being allowed to rape and ruin countless children, you have to wonder if this is all payback for church leadership looking the other way while altar boys were being bent over in vestibules across the land? When safeguarding the weekly take in the offering baskets is more important than protecting your children, there has to be a time of penance to be paid. These trying times courtesy of the Soros demon may be that time?

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    • biffo
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 9:50am

      johnpaulkuchtajr

      I’m a hater of pedophiles myself. It seems that the teachers of this country have taken the pedophile banner from the pedophile priests, and are running up a much larger tab, what with having boys AND girls to rape. I hope you have the same hatred towards the NEA that you do for the Catholic Church. Heaven forbid if you might be a hypocrite in these matters and are just a ‘lapsed’ Catholic hater. Just sayin’

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    • AppleAnnie
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 10:43am

      Oh here we go again. Pedofile priests blah blah. (Every heard of Coach Sandusky?) Such comments are boring and ignorant in 2012.

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    • Hollywood
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 3:02pm

      Soros is a self hating Hungarian Jew, who was a Nazi collaborator. He seized property from felllow Jews with approval of the Nazis. God has a SPECIAL place for the likes of him. He does not have much longer, before he meets his God–Satan

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  • RayOne
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 4:07am

    Just because evil exists and some people call themselves Atheists, doesn’t mean there is no God.

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    • The Third Archon
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 4:52am

      Just because good exists and some people call themselves Theists, doesn’t mean there is a God.

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    • lukerw
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 8:12am

      Just because… a Sword exists… without Blood upon it… does not mean that it cannot be used!

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    • SocialistSlayer
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 9:58am

      The Third Archon – Just because your feeble mind cannot imagine what God might be doesn‘t mean that God doesn’t exist. I have said a prayer for you though and I hope that you may never experience the Devil. Peace Be With You!

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    • stage9
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 11:26am

      THE THIRD ARCHON —

      In order for you to say that there is no God, you would have to possess infinite knowledge of the universe. But in order to possess infinite knowledge, YOU would have to be God. But according to your own admission, “God does not exist,” therefore it can be concluded that YOU DO NOT EXIST. Since YOU (God) do not exist, you are simply a figment of our imaginations and have said absolutely nothing.

      Good day, nothing.

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  • Quack Addict
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 3:16am

    Just because you donate to charity doesn’t make you a good person.

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    • Steel
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 9:22am

      No, but it does make you a better person than someone who doesn’t.

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    • conservativedoc
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 5:38pm

      That’s funny! Donating to any Soros charity does NOT make you a better person!

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  • The Third Archon
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 2:56am

    “Gehring provides a go-to list of Catholic activists who can be counted on to subvert the bishops’ message,” Donohue concludes in his blog post. “It’s what we would expect from a George Soros group.”
    It‘s also exactly the kind of response the Catholic priests’ stupid political drama deserves. If the Catholic priests can engage in their own framing of the debate around healthcare, I don’t see why they should begrudge their opposition the same tactics they so enthusiastically engage in.

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    • Stoic one
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 5:08am

      Government should simply GET OUT of healthcare, it is not the job of the government. Read the constitution.

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    • The Third Archon
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 5:18am

      Yeah, except the part where the government is charged with maintaining the GENERAL WELFARE–how is public health NOT the FIRST necessary piece of public welfare?

      So the government can’t/shouldn’t pass laws on how to handle infectious disease, requiring the sanitation of water, requiring the vaccination of individuals who intend to mingle with the public? Pray, tell me what BENEFIT we get from returning to a state of nature with respect to healthcare?

      Healthcare is the FIRST thing the government has EVERY business in providing some base level of to ALL its citizens–do you understand how disease transmission works AT ALL? Diseases must have infected and infectable HOSTS in order to reproduce.

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    • Stoic one
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 6:57am

      “So the government can’t/shouldn’t pass laws on how to handle infectious disease, requiring the sanitation of water, requiring the vaccination of individuals who intend to mingle with the public?”

      this list belongs in the STATE‘S RIGHT’S column.

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    • Sue Dohnim
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 10:55am

      @THE THIRD ARCHON
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 5:18am
      Yeah, except the part where the government is charged with maintaining the GENERAL WELFARE–how is public health NOT the FIRST necessary piece of public welfare?

      ———————–

      you better recheck WHAT the General Welfare Clause really means and not what your socialist myopia wants it to mean…

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    • encinom
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 11:09am

      @Sue, according to one of the Founders, Alexander Hamilton, the clause should be read broadly, grant much power to congress. The Supreme Court in United States v. Butler, agreed with the opinoin of one of America’s mpost famous and brillant jurist, Story, that the clause should be read broadly, grant much power to the Congress.

      So maybe you, need to learn a little more about American history, than the spoonful Beck starves his followers with.

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    • Sue Dohnim
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 11:32am

      @ENCINOM

      Sorry, clown

      You research it,,, it has to with the power of taxation…

      you goofball socialist progressive nut jobs have twisted everything to fit your utopian Statist agenda,, one day you might realize that it is not only unsustainable but it is your own enslavement, that you are promoting..

      You don’t see that you are committing slow motion psychological and economic suicide and when it gets pointed out you double down on stupid…

      Step away from the pipe and think it through, you are ideological and not rational…

      Collectivism is a scam to empower the elites,,, look around see the mark, it is you,,,

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    • JGraham III
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 11:42am

      So, I took the time to look up “welfare” as it was understood by the Founders and Framers of the Constitution and found this: ‘the state of doing well especially in respect to good fortune, happiness, well-being, or prosperity’.
      The concept of ‘welfare’ meaning government assistance or so-called health care to those the government perceives as “disadvantaged” or some other modernized definition of the word came along in the 20th century with the do-gooders who usurped the Church’s role in caring for the widows and orphans.
      The Bible warns against accepting bribes ( it ‘blinds the eye’ to what is right and good), and “welfare” is really little more than a bribe in most cases and is given to garner votes for whatever party is offering it. While not necessarily defending the Roman Catholic Church, because their history is littered with the grief caused by bribes and the ‘love of money’, it is however despicable of that slimeball George Soros to involve himself in anything remotely called “faith”. He should come out and tell everyone that he is the Luciferian he has every appearance of being. His money and influence will rot with him as he will not be able to bribe the Lord Jesus Christ.

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    • encinom
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 12:04pm

      @Sue Dohnim

      Sorry, idiot, stop letting Beck do the thinking for you. Hamilton never saw the General Welfare clause tied to taxation, but a seperate power. In the Butler decision, the Supreme Court held the power to tax and spend is an independent power and that the General Welfare Clause gives Congress power it might not derive anywhere else. Further decisions of the Court have brought the current unstanding of the clause in line with the expansive view of Hamilton. All Congress needs is to prove that there in a national issue (its hard to argue that health care is not) and the General Welfare clause allows for the Congress to address the issue. (See Helvering v. Davis, which upheld Social Security).

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    • Sue Dohnim
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 1:11pm

      @ENCINOM

      You Progressives and your pretzel logic, there isn’t enough time or bandwidth to unwind your insanity..

      “The General Welfare clause applies to the States of the Union, not to the People.”

      If what you claim is true, then there is no limit on the Federal Governments powers and defacto no Constitution.

      “If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision of the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress…. Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America.”
      — James Madison, remarks on the House floor, debates on Cod Fishery bill, (February 1792)

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    • encinom
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 1:55pm

      @Sue Dohnim

      Okay you braindead Beckerhead, read the cases I cite to, read the comments of Hamilton (see I can point to a Founding Father also). The COurt has followed the expansive view of Hamilton in appling the General Welfare clause. With one of the few limits being that the issue being address has to be of National Concern.

      I know the truth is not often heard from Beck, but you need to look elsewhere than the blaze for it.

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    • Sue Dohnim
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 2:14pm

      @ENCINOM

      There is no case that shows that the General Welfare Clause enables the Feds to provide universal healthcare, THAT is a Progressive, Socialist and Statist delusion….

      “The General Welfare clause applies to the States of the Union, not to the People. However, it is certainly in the best interest of the People if the General Welfare of the states is promoted. Furthermore, even if this clause was determined that it did apply to the people specifically, it is clear that any benefit or enhanced well being should be general or applied to the whole and not a select portion.
      It is also not an enumerated power. It states the purpose for the Union and US Constitution in the preamble as well as the purpose of raising taxes, but the phrase itself does not create any power itself. If ‘general welfare’ was carte blanche authority, it would render the limits of the Federal government to the enumerated powers meaningless. Article 1, Section 8 is not a list of suggestions of power, it is a list of delegated authority. If a power is not listed, congress is not authorized to write a law requiring an unlisted power and would need to seek amendment to the US Constitution.
      It is important to note that under the 10th Amendment of the US Constitution, many of the programs that have been created by the Federal Government such as Federal Welfare, Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, etc, would otherwise be perfectly constitutional under the jurisdiction of the states themselves.

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    • encinom
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 2:56pm

      Sue Dohnim
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 2:14pm
      @ENCINOM

      There is no case that shows that the General Welfare Clause enables the Feds to provide universal healthcare,
      _______________
      True, but no case with those facts have gone before the Court.

      So we need to look at the Social Security and other similar cases that have gone before the Court. That line of cases upholds Hamilton’s expansive view of the Clause. Fringe right wing blogs do not hold much weight, your quote on the subject is meaningless.

      Justice Cardozo, one of the most respected men to sit on the bench:
      “Congress may spend money in aid of the ”general welfare.” Constitution, Art. I, section 8; United States v. Butler, There have been great statesmen in our history who have stood for other views. We will not resurrect the contest. It is now settled by decision. United States v. Butler, supra. The conception of the spending power advocated by Hamilton and strongly reinforced by Story has prevailed over that of Madison, which has not been lacking in adherents. Yet difficulties are left when the power is conceded. The line must still be drawn between one welfare and another, between particular and general. Where this shall be placed cannot be known through a formula in advance of the event. There is a middle ground, or certainly a penumbra, in which discretion is at large. The discretion, however, is not confided to the courts. The discretion belongs to Congress”

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    • michael48
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 3:52pm

      must be red brigade pre-school at recess…on your knees like rats eating cheese comrades…prayer time for your chairman ocommie…troll time for sorazz doesn’t pass muster…

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    • Sue Dohnim
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 5:06pm

      @ENCINOM

      So, you are arguing a hypothetical and in true Progressive fashion you use a failed ponzi scheme that is currently 22 trillion in the hole with those paying in getting less out in real dollars due to deficit financing and the growing Government phoney cpi and real inflation. But don’t mention the bullying, coercion and legislative fraud to get the 1937 Supreme court case through….

      If Social Security is your argument FOR general welfare and healthcare, it is no wonder you Progressives have screwed up EVERYTHING… destroyed individual liberty and stolen the potential from generations and enabled and encouraged a culture of dependency….

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    • encinom
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 7:01pm

      @Sue Dohnim

      You don’t have a cogent argument, so instead you type out some random talking points. I present facts and you have nothing but rants. I show the history and legal arguments and you can’t bring yourself to admit that Fox and Beck have lied to you.

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    • Sue Dohnim
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 7:35pm

      @ENCINOM

      you have no facts at all… it is your hypothetical and a Progressive spin, a false comparison to the Social Security disaster is a joke…

      If you apply the General Welfare as you claim then there is no restraint on Congress at all. Is there?

      There is NO Constitution, Is there?

      What are the limits, NONE

      Buffoon,,,,,

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  • The Third Archon
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 2:53am

    “He also frets over the politicization of the religious liberty campaign, an effort made possible, he neglects to say, because of the politicization of religion by President Obama.”
    Yes, because PRIOR to Obama, religion DEFINITELY wasn’t politicized. It‘s not like religious undertones aren’t behind almost every international conflict prior to the twentieth century (and many conflicts following). It‘s not as though it’s directly BECAUSE of Christianity that homosexuals are denied equal treatment under the law, and that medical products, procedures, and research that would otherwise be completely uncontroversial (how do I know? Survey atheists, or non-Christians, and see what THEIR opinion on the subject is) not to mention beneficial to humans, are made into national issues. It’s not as though Christian Zionism is a thing and the primary reason the vast majority of Americans support the Israeli government no matter WHAT it does (which is stupid, because there are much BETTER reasons to support SOME of what the Israeli government has done and to support its statehood). And it’s CERTAINLY not the case that every single President in U.S. history hitherto, publicly at least, has claimed to be SOME kind of Christian or another.

    Oh wait…no…

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    • joboww
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 9:21am

      @OKIE

      again you fail to know the history of the Catholic Faith. Socialism has always been condemned along with its ultimate end communism. The following encyclcles should help

      Leo XIII Quod Apostolici Muneris (1878)
      Leo XIII Rerum Novarum (1891)
      Pope Pius XI Quadregesimo Anno (1931)

      http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F00817FA385414728DDDAE0A94D9405B818CF1D3

      http://www.americaneedsfatima.org/Articles/what-the-popes-say-about-socialism.html

      Perhaps you need to actually learn what we believe before you propose to know us

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    • pennswoods
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 3:58pm

      @JOBOWW. Correct. The Roman Catholic Church had always been opposed to Marxism in all it’s forms. Karl Marx and Communism deny that humans have a soul. All human beings in a Communist materialist dictatorship are merely a bundle of atoms that belong to the government. Communism considers people as belonging to the state with no God given rights. Karl Maex wanted his beliefs to establish a “heaven on earth” and will destroy anyone or anything that stands in it’s way. It’s odd that a “Catholic” or any other Christian could be attracted to such a system. Liberals and the left have a particular loathing for Chriistianity and today are on the side of Islam, which even though it claims to believe in “god”, hates women and denies individual rights and freedom.

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  • Okie from Muskogee
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 2:34am

    Donohue is a good man. Keep fighting sir. 

    Some of you may take offense, but unfortunately, that happens. 

    Catholics in general, are great people, but many fail to look at their history when questioning why Catholics were always Democrats and mostly still are. 

    Europe in general is a Catholic state as Catholicism ruled over her with an iron fist for many many years, collectively. Europe’s subjects looked to the State for rights, aid, etc. That is exactly what the Democrat party platform is, collectivism. This is why Europe’s States are 99% collective and hold socialistic states today. Democrat Obama is a socialist just as Catholic France is Socialist. 

    Socialism for the most part has always been a part of Catholicism. 

    I hope more Catholics see that and change it. Have a good night. 

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    • PineTreePatriot
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 6:39am

      Pardon me, but are you mentally handicapped?

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 7:55am

      Only when speaking with those of higher IQs, which eliminates you…

      Instead of being a jackask, why not articulate your “issue” you have with my post. That’d be the “love thy neighbor” way. Thanks and have a great day! 

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    • Dudley Do-Right
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 9:25am

      “Socialism for the most part has always been a part of Catholicism.”

      The cornerstone of Catholic social teaching is subsidiarity, that is, nothing should be done by a larger organization that can be done by a smaller one. It’s a principle similar to the ones our founders intended, limited government and personal freedom. It’s the opposite of centralization and the welfare state. Now I‘m not claiming that the policy of subsidiarity has been strictly adhered to because it hasn’t. Matter of fact the US Catholic Bishops publicly criticized congressional efforts to reform the welfare system by decentralizing it and removing its perverse incentives. But to claim that socialism has always been part of Catholicism is false.

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/under-god/post/rep-paul-ryan-catholic-subsidiarity-rejects-big-government/2012/04/10/gIQAGceY8S_blog.html

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    • joboww
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 9:29am

      @OKIE

      again you fail to know the history of the Catholic Faith. Socialism has always been condemned along with its ultimate end communism. The following encyclcles should help

      Leo XIII Quod Apostolici Muneris (1878)
      Leo XIII Rerum Novarum (1891)
      Pope Pius XI Quadregesimo Anno (1931)

      http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F00817FA385414728DDDAE0A94D9405B818CF1D3

      http://www.americaneedsfatima.org/Articles/what-the-popes-say-about-socialism.html

      Perhaps you need to actually learn what we believe before you propose to know us

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    • barber2
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 9:38am

      OKIE: of course. We all know that Jesus came to earth for the sole purpose of putting ” a chicken in every pot !” The crazy, angry, hate-filled materialism that pervades the Far Left/ Marxist/ ( whatever their new name is ) philosophy is so far removed from Christ’s spiritual mission and message ! But, hey, can’t expect a Far Lefty is understand that spiritual stuff ! They are all into that material world stuff !

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    • mermaid7
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 10:23am

      Okie, you need to go back to school. Socialism is anti-God. Period. So, equating those two is not being truthful or factual.

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 10:37am

      Mermaid

      So you are saying all the French CATHOLICS are anti-God? 

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 11:11am

      All I’m saying is this: Catholicism beginning in Europe, for quite sometime ruled in conjunction with or as the Government. You paid taxes to the state who redistributed the wealth to those it deemed needed it. That’s how all Totalitorian Govs work. That is Socialism. 

      Look at the States of Europe currently and explain why Catholic dominated States support Socialistic Govs… 

      Look at the US, majority of Catholics support a party that advocates socialism. 

      A Theocracy is Socialistic by definition is it not? How long did Catholicism rule as a theocracy? A long time. 

      So correlating Socialism with Catholicism is not that far fetched if one looks at it objectively. 

      Again, I’m not saying all Catholics are Socialists but trying to explain why so many support it. 

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    • encinom
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 11:13am

      Donahue is a modern day Torquemada, the Church’s pitbull that has gone after the victims of abusive priests. The Catholic League in more than a cult of personality surrounding this corrupt man.

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    • joboww
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 11:13am

      @Okie

      one can defiantly say that those French “catholics” who sold out for the socialists are indeed materially anti-God; Yet it would also be important to note that not all of them are ‘formally’ so. Most French Catholics like Catholics and protestants have not actually been taught formal Catholic teaching that has not changed and continues to be held by the Magestarium. I would agree that far to many in the clergy and lay state failed those entrusted to them in speaking up, or in some cases actively deceiving their flock. Such people will be held to account by our Lord. ITs hard to say that French Catholics voted him in when less then 10% even attend mass which is mandatory, ( not optional) when you are Catholic. Those that voted as such dont know their faith and need instruction, so here we agree that there has been a failure in the teaching system to bring about the Kingdom of God.

      I do appreciate your zeal Okie, and my continued prayers are with you

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 11:16am

      Dudley

      Thank you for a respectful reply. Do you see what I’m saying now though? Hope you are doing good. 

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    • joboww
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 11:23am

      @Okie

      if you have a problem with a minimal net to help out people i dont know what to say to you. Obviously if people take the opportunity to abuse government powers and continuously expand this security blanket to include anyone for any reason it is wrong.

      Catholic teaching as far as government responsibility for the needy goes back to the beginning, It can be seen throughout history, even in Acts. Kings had three responsibilities 1) Lead and maintain an army for the protection of their people; 2) Protect those who cannot help themselves because of internal factors (mental, psychological); 3) Provide for the Widows and orphans that cannot provide for themselves. Too often kings failed this responsibility yet it was theirs because they were in charge of using their power for the good of the community. Now again this should never be abused, and far to often it is but dont mistake the wrongs done by certain Catholic politicians or Catholic clergy who failed to teach what has always been known with what the church actually teaches and wishes for her people to know. Read the encyclicals and the links,

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 12:28pm

      @JoBoww

      Thank you for your respectful thoughts and links. 

      What is socialism to you? 

      Is a Theocracy socialistic? 

      I believe individuals should provide safety nets for their neighbors free willingly and not Gov forcefully, as Gov forcing Charity is not Charity and leads to irresponsibility, complacency, and dependency. 

      Again, thanks for your thoughts. 

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    • Dudley Do-Right
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 1:58pm

      I’m well Okie thanks, and I hope all is well with you also. I understand why people think the Catholic religion promotes socialism. Unfortunately, it started when we embraced The New Deal under the guise of charity and we’ve been in bed with the Democrats ever since. Only recently, the Catholic Health Association’s president, Sister Carol Keehan gave enormous political cover for the presidents health care overhaul, it’s a logical conclusion to make. It was a breath of fresh air to see the bishops condemn her actions. I think the they’ve finally smartened up and I pray that all Catholics start living their faith according to church doctrine. But I do understand why you and many others think the way you do. I know you don’t believe this but I do, “the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail.” You’re in my prayers.

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    • pennswoods
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 3:48pm

      The Catholic Church, Latin and Eastern Orthodox, is the backbone of Western European Civilization. For almost 1,500 years before the Reformation the Roman Catholic Church was the only church for the vast majority of people in Western and Southern Europe. It has made enormous contributions to our ethics, philosophy, charity, art, architecture, music, history. literature and much much more. The college system we now have was started in Medieval Catholic Universities in Western Europe. The Church has it’s share of hypocrisy because it is run by humans but it also has been a force of great good for the human race.

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  • SilentReader
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 2:30am

    You had better believe that anything funded by George Soros aka Gyorgy Schwartz will be subversive in nature. He’s the king of subversion. That’s what he does for a living. He sits in his ivory tower and he uses his hedgy hedgefund billions to alter elections, and to sway public opinion, by all the media and politicians that are bought and paid for by him! And he does this in all the countries in the West! In other words, he‘s got his dirty hands in everyone’s pie, and nation’s resources! They know him well in Europe, and they are well acquainted with his Fabian Socialist bullying tactics.

    He’s wanted for insider trading in France. He has brought down the economies of at least four nations, and admitted that he broke the bank of England. And he profits on it! I mean this guy should be behind bars. Why isn’t he? Because, as I said, he works in the shadows and he buys up all the politicians and the media. That’s why.

    Money talks! And this guy walks! Whereas most of us would be behind bars long ago.

    Criminals with impunity is what most of these globalists are! They’re living on borrowed time because the people are waking up, and they’re tired of being the pawns in their tyrannical game!

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  • denkat56
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 2:14am

    god is watching you. he s gonna get pissed. he wont be mocked, or pushed off to the side. oh, george god doesn t care how rich you are.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 2:31am

      Why do you always find a Jew leading the anti-Christian charge?

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    • NJBarFly
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 2:49am

      Thanks for the antisemitic comment Grand Master “The_Jerk”.. I just looked at your history and almost every comment you make is a derogatory comment about jews. You are a racist, antisemitic POS.

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  • kalli
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 2:01am

    I guess there will be at least 2 Catholic votes, biden‘s and pelosi’s, for the liar-in-chief. That the Church has not yet ex-communicated either of these pathetic lowlifes makes one wonder about the sensibility of the Church. The Church must put their trust in God giving glory and honor to Him in everything and not cowtow to this evil admin. He alone has the power to bring this admin down. Question is will He help a nation that has become the most wicked, corrupt, and immoral in its history, turning against God, blaspheming His Name, disavowing His existence, removing His Name from being spoken in public, and living unrighteously defying every commandment given us?

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    • joboww
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 9:28am

      again excommunication is not a political tool, it is used to put the person out of the church in order to draw them back into communion. These politicians that continue to support teachings that are against the church are providing material support for the cause and in doing so have excommunicated themselves defacto. If your problem is that no official statement has been issued then im sorry but you fail to understand that an automatic excommunication is already in place. Part of the problem is that even if a formal excommunication were issued it would only be used by such politicians to batter the church with. They know what they are doing is wrong. Catholics who actually practice the faith are not scandalized because we know they are public sinners and have further seperated themselves from the body of Christ. Those that need to see formal expositions of such issues need to understand this and actually learn what the church teaches on such

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    • teddrunk
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 10:55am

      Joboww, so politician that go against the church teachings are defacto excommunicated? Seems to me pro-baby killer Ted Kennedy got a Catholic funeral. Why are they allowed the sacraments? Perhaps the Catholic Church should realize that being silent about those members who continue to go against church teachings is getting to be pretty lame, and pretty expensive.

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    • joboww
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 11:36am

      @Ted

      Joboww, so politician that go against the church teachings are defacto excommunicated? Seems to me pro-baby killer Ted Kennedy got a Catholic funeral.

      I am glad that you knew the state of his soul at the moment of his death. Was what he did good? NO!! In fact it was deplorable and evil in every fashion yet you have no knowledge as to whether he repented in his last weeks, I dont know either. Perhaps he did, should he be denied a funeral? Take up your rock when you are ready. I personally would not have had a funeral within the confines of the church but that is up to the priest there who celebrates the mass

      Why are they allowed the sacraments? Perhaps the Catholic Church should realize that being silent about those members who continue to go against church teachings is getting to be pretty lame, and pretty expensive.

      Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the actual information that is out there regarding this type of situation. Cardinal Burke who head the Supreme Court of the Vatican has again and again made it know that such unrepentant behavior should always be denied the sacraments. Now if a Bishop or priest does not listen to the good Cardinal or the Popes throughout the ages on such behavior there is not too much that can be done because far to many are trying to be pastoral rather than orthodox in their office.

      If its expensive that people are scandalized that problems exist perhaps they should ask who made Judas an apostle

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  • LeQuoix
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 1:28am

    I am a Catholic. I have met several of these idiots that claim to be Catholic and continue to vote for the party that supports every thing that goes directly against our teachings. They supported obama. I hope they finally are getting the picture. Pathetic fools in the na. me of ignorance have allowed our Church to be attacked over and over. If you are a Catholic YOU CAN NOT VOTE for a party that supports abortion, pornography, homosexual behavior, threatening the 1st ammendment, AND the subversion of our RIGHTS!!!!!!!!!! If you would vote for this party it can only be seen as treasonous twoard God and the Church. You should leave the church. The Church should excommunicate all of you. Voting against the Church you are NOT worthy of the Eucharist. You are not worthy to step into the Church. If you can not vote your Faith you are no better than Judas. Wake Up before your lack of a brain allows Satan to destroy the Church. CHRISTIAN LEQUOIX.

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    • HorseCrazy
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 10:40am

      I agree with you. I do believe many people claim to be “Catholic, Christian, Jewish” yet fail to adhere to any of the teachings in the Bible. it is shameful that the opinions formed of people of faith tend to be marred by the group I just stated. In no way can a Christian condone the party of abortion ever.

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  • Rampart
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 1:18am

    Hey George Soros: Look here..Right here…Deep into my eyes, you pathetic little worm…INFORMED PREDICITON: YOU WILL SOON BE *DEAD* and, thusly, WE WILL SOON BE RID OF YOUR PATHETIC, SUBVERSIVE MACHINATIONS.

    Enjoy your inevitable station in the eternal fire–We’ll be busy back here on Earth, undoing *everything* you worked so hard to achieve during your abortion of a life.

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    • GeorgieJo
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 2:12am

      SpookyDude has 4 or 5 sons
      He surely has “TRAINED” them well.
      He is an insidious disease on his minions.
      OMG 2012

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  • Gypsy123
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 1:11am

    Don’t you think other faith based religions have gotten money from this administration it is called hush money. Now a group has chosen to stand. And they are trying to use that to Hush them. Does this not remind you of someone who hates the church so bad. One we have as children saw as a man with a pitch fork and horns. But actually comes as a angel of light. hummmmmmm

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  • hillbillyinny
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 1:00am

    “New days in The Church”–what makes this group think that Religious Freedom = money? It may have in the past, but we understand the “end times” and the real “enemy,” Satan, whether or not he is “clothed” in human clothing!

    Our Earth is in an ongoing war between Good and Evil, God and Satan (who has control of the earth at this time). Satan’s equal, the Archangel Michael who will lead the final battle between the “heavenly host”!

    Humans choose on this earth who they will “love” and “follow” God or Evil. Choose wisely!

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  • Diane TX
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 12:28am

    Seems that one of the talking points is to remind the Bishops how much more Federal funding for their Catholic relief funds and charities, that they have received under the Obama Admin. That, can be taken two ways. One – we bought and paid for you, two – as a threat – you can kiss that money “goodbye” if you don’t fall into line.

    I am a Catholic, myself, so I know a lot of Catholics. A bunch of Catholics got on the Democrat train because of JFK. He was the first Catholic President. Of course back then, the Democrats hid their bent to Socialism and Communism.

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  • mhojai
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 12:23am

    “media gets talking points from Soros” — where’s the news?
    They can’t think for themselves, what else is new?
    The sad part is that, in the face of all the blatant hypocrisy, they’re given any credibility at all!

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  • Jezreel
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 12:20am

    Looks like Satan’s kingdom is divided. Both shall fall.

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  • JJBlazeReader
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 12:18am

    ..
    President Obama and the progressives know they have lost the Catholic vote so they turn to the usual progressive tactics to smear their opponent and change the subject matter. Notice he uses the term “war on the Catholic Church”.

    A few powerful videos Catholic organizations have made.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKlRen8yzaw&feature=player_embedded

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9vQt6IXXaM&feature=youtu.be
    ..

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    • barber2
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 9:31am

      Agree. For the Far Left, it’s “if you can’t use them, smash them. ” ( with a little alinsky “smear them ” in the middle ! )

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  • edmundburk
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 12:15am

    The catholic church has a fifth coluom inside Rome and reaching to most diocese around the world.. in order to understand the progressive fifth coloum in the catholic church, go to: REAL CATHOLIC TV.COM

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  • paperpushermj
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 12:12am

    “Gehring provides a go-to list of Catholic activists who can be counted on to subvert the bishops’ message,”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You know if the names on the “Go To ” list are somehow, God forbid Leaked that blunts this particular Attack on the Church. News organizations need the Experts on the Subject to make their case, without them this attack stops immediately. But make no mistake, this attack was directed at the Catholic Church but was made for the entire Faith Community

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  • Warpspeedpetey
    Posted on June 21, 2012 at 12:03am

    Please forward the link to the email from Soro’s Faith in Public Life in this article to all your friends. Ask them to politely explain to these unamerican fascists that we will not tolerate their attempt to take our religious freedom. This is the enemy folks. These are the evil little nazi’s who want to tell us how to worship and what to believe. Lets call and email all of them. Their offices, their institutions, get any contact information you can for them, anyone they do business with and share it with everyone you can. Now is the time to fight back.

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  • hillbillyinny
    Posted on June 20, 2012 at 11:33pm

    Satan is definitely working overtime!

    Put on the “whole armor of God,” Ephesians 6, and pray for guidance and courage for the Biphops, and understanding for congregants to support this important stand for religious liberty!

    Be with us Holy Spirit and guide us.

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    • PATTY HENRY
      Posted on June 20, 2012 at 11:44pm

      WE LOVE BILL DONOHUE and CARDINAL DOLAN !!! Soros is going to be the saddest soul ever created…how much harm he’s done. How much hatred and damage he’s done. People like Bin Laden and this freak Soros who had so much $$$ and didn’t build a school or hospital or old age home or museum or anything… just thinking they had to CONTROL and RULE. Wonder what Bin Laden Rules now? Same thing that Soros will rule, no doubt.

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    • MIBUGNU2
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 12:38am

      Having all that money makes you a sad, hateful POS..
      No Thanks.. Take it all with you when you go George..
      You’ll probably need it !! Pathetic wasted life……..
      Oh, thanks a lot for BO !!! we have you to thank..

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    • hillbillyinny
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 1:11am

      @ patty

      Get acquainted with Archbishop Chaput, new AB of Philly. A singular man, stands for truth. Read his newest short book available for Kindle apps for very little $: A HEART ON FIRE: Catholic Witness and the Next America or his book of about 2008, RENDER UNTO CEASAR.

      Excellent writer, excellent Christian and excellent AB–good complement on the east coast for Cardinal Dolan and Bishop Lori who was just moved to Baltimore to be closer to DC, since he is called on to represent the Catholic stand in hearings before Congress.

      Pray that the Church will grow, mature, and correct course as the Lord would have us do for His Purposes!

      Souls are worth so much more than money–time we learned that!

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  • MrButcher
    Posted on June 20, 2012 at 11:29pm

    I won’t make the historical allusions.

    I have too many catholic/protestant friends…

    But I will ask this;

    at what point does religion become salvation and cease being subversion and vice versa?
    —————————

    To answer my own question: there is no answer.

    But to offer a hint as to how to respond further, here’s this: sectarianism in Christianity needs to be kept in the peripheral.

    the left wants a religious war amongst conservatives.

    don’t give it to them.

    focus on freedom.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on June 20, 2012 at 11:47pm

      Good post MRBUTCHER

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    • decendentof56
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 12:10am

      Wise advise, indeed, Mr B.
      The first amendment is clear. By forcing a religion-based church to perform abortions against their beliefs, regardless of who pays for it, goes against the grain of the 1st amend, and erodes freedom.
      I do have to admit, though, that the Catholic‘s have brought problems on themselves by supporting Obama’s dictatorial agenda.
      I know for a fact that several in my Catholic son-in-laws family voted for this president. I swear, I don’t know what the h*ll they were thinking. How can you step foot in a Catholic church if you voted for this guy.
      The same goes for the Jews, who apparently can’t see the woods for the trees when it comes to Obama and his cast of anti-Americans. Maybe they want to relive the holocaust. Idiots!

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    • paperpushermj
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 12:16am

      On December 25th

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    • BETTY CROCKER
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 1:29am

      @decentof56

      I understand your confusion regarding Jews and Catholics but as a Catholic I believe that both faiths have been very co-opted in part because of being very afraid to strongly take a firm stand on probably just about anything. I know that sounds very stupid but I think alot of Catholics and Jews that read these comments would agree with me from their experience of the outside world.

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  • nobull14
    Posted on June 20, 2012 at 11:27pm

    A Evil small minded man that will get a front row seat in HELL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • rickc34
    Posted on June 20, 2012 at 11:14pm

    Best thing that could happen…Soros dies in his sleep. He is one evil atheist.

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    • NJBarFly
      Posted on June 20, 2012 at 11:54pm

      I don’t know. Bill Donohue choking to death on a pork chop is on my list of best things.

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    • BETTY CROCKER
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 1:35am

      @njbarfly

      Get a life!

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    • hillbillyinny
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 1:54am

      Wishing DEATH on anyone is as evil as anything they do!

      True Christians are people of LIFE, not death! Pray for them, fight them, outsmart them, and win over them, but do not wish anyone to death, a death in heaven or h*ll! To do so shortens they possibilities and the possibilites if they choose God, of all whom they might influence for good.

      God will take revenge in His Own time–He’s outside of time and knows/sees it all. . . “Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord.” Romans 12:9

      Support LIFE in all its forms and conditions!

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    • NJBarFly
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 2:07am

      @Betty

      So someone wishing death on George Soros gets no response from you, but I jokingly wish death on Billy and you get offended? You need to check your good Christian morals. I think they may be askew.

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    • barber2
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 9:27am

      Betty: not to worry our barfly is just running the standard Alinsky : ” hold them up to their principles , (which Lefties aren’t bothered by) because that makes them look like moral failures ! ” Bone upon your alinsky…..they are throwing his community organizing / rabble rousing tactics all over the place !

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    • NJBarFly
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 9:44am

      Barber – Atheists are always accused on this site of having no morals, yet the only people wishing death or advocating violence are the Christians. Yes, I am holding people up to the morals that they believe make them superior to me.

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    • hillbillyinny
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 1:19pm

      @ NJBarFly

      Just incase you can’t read, moniker is “hillBILLYinny”. . .

      Second timing is everything! I came into the discussion AFTER your post, not before it, hence my response appears AFTER your post, not before it!!!

      However, I spoke to whomevery my posting applied: “ Wishing DEATH on anyone is as evil as anything they do”! My perimeter of “anyone” would include your post and the post to which you were responding, as BOTH OF YOU were discussing/wishing death on someone!

      You’re pretty quick there “Rickity,” but you’re not too bright!

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    • NJBarFly
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 3:39pm

      @Billy – I was responding to Betty. I agree with you. I was just making a snarky reply to Rick. I don’t really wish death on anyone, except for maybe the guys behind 9/11 and a few other terrible human beings.

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  • SHOWMESTATEGUY
    Posted on June 20, 2012 at 11:12pm

    Well it seems the Catholic’s really liked the dem lib party in 2008—————-at what point during the last 3-1/2 years did you come to understand that maybe the dem lib party is not really your friend?

    I could ask the jews of America the same question but sadly the jews of America are so far left that they would sing Obama’s praises even as they boarded the trains.

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    • Neils60
      Posted on June 20, 2012 at 11:41pm

      Some are some aren’t. Don’t ever paint a group with such a broad brush. Remember, there are a lot of conservative Jewish commentators like Bill Kristol, Bernie Goldberg, Charles Krauthammer, Mark Levin, Michael Savage, Dick Morse, Matt Drudge, Jonah Goldberg, Michael Medved, Dennis Prager, Debbie Schlussel, Pam Geller, the late Andrew Breitbart, Michelle Malkin (married to a Jewish gentleman, but I’m not sure if she ever converted to Judaism), etc. There are a many more that could be added to this list, but they’re not as well known as those mentioned above. And, as of this writing, if the election was to be held today, the president would received only 63% of the Jewish vote. Down 15%, since 2008 (so far).

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    • lassiegirldawn
      Posted on June 20, 2012 at 11:44pm

      This is something that has bothered me, American Jews not in support of Israel’s homeland. I guess that is why God said he would gather His elect to the land that he gave them.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on June 20, 2012 at 11:57pm

      @LASSIEDAWN Did you know that many Jews feel that they are living in a Marxist state? And did you know that Israel has considered making drawing comparisons to Nazism illegal..I believe they wanted to impose a 2 thousand dollar fine.. This is how the torah Jews feel about Zionists..
      http://www.nkusa.org/aboutus/zionism/judaism_isnot_zionism.cfm

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    • hillbillyinny
      Posted on June 21, 2012 at 2:00am

      Actually @showme. . . ,

      Many of us Catholics have NEVER “bought into” the Democrat Party! We have not supported their “causes,“ and do not NOW OR EVER support the ”cafeteria catholics” who want their way and to call themselves true Catholics, even though they agree with little to nothing for which the Church stands!

      We are those who understand truth and right (small “r”). We are the common folk who work for a living, don’t ask for unions to do our biding for us, and don’t ask for handouts and special favors. We are the Catholic Christians who understand what Jesus was saying in His time and how it applies to this time.

      We are interested, strong and, prayfully, will grow in numbers and understanding until Good and Truth wins!

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