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Bill Gates Wants Death Panels: Dying People VS Teachers

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  • ALL4114ALL
    Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:57am

    It sure is easy to go after the “old people” when the issue of medical costs comes up. Wonder why the same attack-mentality is not applied to the BILLIONS of gov’t dollars for “healthcare” wasted on crack addicts, illegal immigrants, impoverished having babies they can’t afford, etc, etc.

    Bill, so then saving how many crackheads = firing how many teachers?

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    • Lilybean
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 7:11pm

      I so agree with you!!

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    • Kevin777
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 7:36pm

      Beautiful ALL4114ALL…. but then again, they’ll say your argument is so “unintelligent” becuae they are sooooo much smater than us “small” people… we just don’t understand…

      Probably just the medical care for illegal immagrants alone would pay for ALL the teachers and ALL their bloated pensions that they feel so “entitled” to.

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  • dadsrootbeer
    Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:55am

    So Gates has officially graduated from successful entrepreaur to an Elitist. Welcome to the progressive club where you can tell everyone else where there money and life needs to go, of course, only after you like the rest in the club made their millions.in the small government free market enterprise.

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  • kobuk
    Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:42am

    You can’t teach common sense!

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    • ron the veteran
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 12:17am

      sure you can by throwing them out of america and letting them see what the rest of the world is like. and i dont mean throwing them out with OUR money. after all they did make it here. since they like the collective and are so willing to take OUR money. its time we returned the favor we send them to go live with hugo broke! the money you made off the backs of poor americans stays here. you go out broke and as just another poor sucker. lets see how hugo welcomes you when your poor and need to rely on the graces of old hugo. ill bet your not so welcome when your broke and need to be fed.

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  • kddix929
    Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:38am

    Who is to say whether or not that old person may do something miraculous for the world in their last days. Ordinary people often do amazing things. This is no one’s decision but God.

    It’s a matter of loving the almighty dollar more than your fellow man. Besides, there are some teachers that aren’t good enough to kill your dog for.

    I just thought about those teachers who were sitting in limbo and getting paid for it. Do we want our elderly to suffer for them? I don’t think so. It’s just not up to us to decide who is valuable and who is not.

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    • Independent Tess
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 10:21am

      I think we need to decide on where we stand on the matter of the Individual or the Collective. Is the Individual more important or is the Collective more important.
      I might choose to give up my own life for the good of the Collective (Society, or whatever group), but I don’t want someone else, like the government, making that decision for me. It should be my free choice.

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  • roundup5566
    Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:35am

    bill gates, like every other marxist, doesn’t mind cutting off three months of life for the sick….AS LONG AS IT ISN’T HIM!!!!! everybody knows that the marxists are more than willing to spend everybody’s money but their own. now it looks like it’s fashionable to spend other peoples lives as well.

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    • capitalideals
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 2:34pm

      Isn’t Bill Gates guilty of what conservatives are always being accused of? I’ve got mine so screw you? Because he’s not going to have his healthcare be determined by a soulless government worker.

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  • Independent Tess
    Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:35am

    Yes!!
    I have been saying this every time I hear that “We’ll have to lay off police and fireman” argument. Thank you.
    I am not alone!

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  • Timwi
    Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:32am

    He forgot to mention that PUPPIES WILL DIE! Yes PUPPIES WILL DIE if we don’t let old people, and sick children with cancer, and sick parents with cancer, and sick Dad’s with heart disease, and sick Grandma‘s and sick Grandpa’s die. We need to let them all die! Or teachers will be fired and PUPPIES KILLED! There is definitely no other answer- NONE- what is wrong with you people suggesting we lower costs or look for waste in the system? Bill Gates is a BRILLIANT man and you must realize he is right. It is teachers and puppies versus sick kids, moms, dads, grandpas, and grandmas. If Bill Gates say’s it is so, it must be so.

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  • TomBurpee
    Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:30am

    “THE MAN IS BRINGING UP an argument.”
    The same one that Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin brought up during the Public Health Care Insurance debate, and still bring up today. So where are you going with this?

    “IT IS something legitimate to discuss,”
    And yet you keep shutting down “Right-Wingers” for asking that VERY SAME question.

    “but INSTEAD the RIGHT WINGERs SCREAM DEATH PANEL and scare people.”
    Uhm, Billy Gates just used Death Pannels. OH NOES! IS HE A RITE WIGNER TOO?! (I meant Wigner, no spelling error there.)

    “THIS IS BECAUSE THE GOP>TEA PARTY AND RIGHT WING are incapable of intelligent discussion.”
    …Right, so we bring up the issues months before, and during the debate in Washington, we continue to bring it up (and many others) but it’s moronic ninny dribble until someone like Bill Gates brings it up?
    Further more, I try an have discussions with you, I won‘t use intelligent because I don’t believe pond-scum has brainwave activity, but none the less I try; yet you fire back with insults and question my patriotism, so I fire right back with. Just to show you what being a pretentious ass gets you!

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    • BoilitDown
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:56am

      Tomburpee: There were many indepth, thoughtful and intelligent pieces written on the topic of end of life care, it’s costs and “death panels”. If we found them on the internet, I’m sure you could as well.
      I don’t recall the left wing being “shut down” anywhere.
      As for Mr. Gates, his argument between old people’s healthcare and teachers seems to be a kind of “apples and oranges” thing regarding money.

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    • capitalideals
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 2:30pm

      So the apples are denying old people healthcare and the oranges are keeping teachers employed?

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  • Bethany
    Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:26am

    “No benefit whatsoever”
    Maybe to him extending someone‘s life for three months isn’t a benefit or money not well spent, but I bet to that individual and thier family it means the world.

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  • Lori
    Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:23am

    What teacher would say, “Yes, let the ‘less useful’ or old people die so I can keep my job or pension.”?

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    • Zoe
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:33am

      Watch a couple of interactions with Governor Christy & Teachers. (Youtube) Just maybe it would leave a trail of breadcrumbs? Apathy towards their fellow man to accomplish for the “children” or an agenda?

      Yes this is a stretch-

      But wasn’t the Holocaust? – I know a rabbit trail

      Think outside the question – Answers are usually 3 questions deep- as you focus back in on the question.

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    • seniorcitizen
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 5:45pm

      do you see Governor Christie’s town hall with the teacher?

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  • PeterPablo
    Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:18am

    I prefer to make my own decisions with my own healthcare. You see if we each pay for our own healthcare then we won’t have to worry about the Govt deciding what health we each deserve during our last days of life.

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  • NC
    Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:18am

    I wonder if Mr. Gates has signed a DNR?

    NC (Do Not Resuscitate)

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  • heidi586
    Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:11am

    It’s simple: Priorities…get’em in order #1.Teachers #100&something. the old&sick (or in other words=the useless)
    /sarc

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  • rolandg79
    Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:05am

    pension generosity…lol…talks about death but is unable to talk about Unions sucking the life out of Americans savings they worked so hard for…theres a fine line of intelligence and insanity…

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    • Watertown Yankee
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:38am

      Exactly, It is better to pull the plug on old people than to pull the plug on unions who are sucking the life out of this country. If there was no Obamacare, we could make our own decision instead of some buerocratic panel telling us when we have lived long enough. Of course we trust the government to make so many other wonderful decisions for us and look where that got us.

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    • Hadassah
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 11:22am

      Is there some reason we actually trust the government?

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  • lbusteacher
    Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:04am

    Oh my gosh Bill, don’t bring teachers in it!!! Hey Bill that is not the answer!! Just stick to computers!!

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  • jfcain
    Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:03am

    Because he doesn’t want teaches fired he think that maybbe death panels are a good thing.?? Making choices between putting the money to more important things?? He doesn’t have to make that choice because of his $$.

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  • Libertarian Infidel
    Posted on September 12, 2010 at 8:59am

    I bet he’d spend a million dollars if it were his last three months of life. You must have been huffing microchips a little too much because these are not robots they are people. They have families and lives. As smart as you are, you are an idiot…you lack common sense. Perhaps if you thought for a moment, you would realize that it shouldn’t cost a million dollars to stay alive for three months. Instead of having to “allocate” that money to “teachers” how about ideas to bring costs down. Gov’t regulation is what brought the costs up to begin with..now those same people are the ones saying we have to have death panels. Stop regulation, bring costs down, save grandma and the teachers…common sense.

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    • dressseller
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:18am

      Aaaaaaa-men!!!!!

      (On a side note, I just tried to type my comment “AMEN” in all caps and the system wouldn’t let me.. ..LOL… ..That explains why some posters have suddenly stopped typing in all caps! ..The system won’t let them any longer! lol.)

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    • Damage6
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 2:10pm

      Of course he’ll have the finest medical care known to man with access to all the latest treatments. The hypocracy is staggering. Here we have arguably the most successfull capitalist of the last century whom advocates a socialist system for everyone else when he knows he’ll have a platoon of the best and brightest private doctors at his beck and call. I also love how he targets the argument on old people. How about looking at some real burdens to the system. How about the fat @$$es eating doritos and twinkies 5 meals a day while they sit on the couch and smoke cigerettes? No it’s just fine when they develope diabetes the tax payers will subsidize thier miserable existence. Wow here’s a revolutionary idea lets go to a real 100% free market system without any stupid mandates that are the real cause of excalating costs. That way you can pay for coverage that suites your needs and nothing more. And if you’re a chain smoking fat @$$ sorry but your cost’s are going to be 10 times what mine are. Can’t afford it? Quite smoking, eat real food and get off the couch. For that matter disolve public school systems and let the private sector thrive. Failing schools will go out of business and test scores will skyrocket. But what does Gates care? He got his and all he gives a crap about is being the coolest progressive kid on the cocktail circuit.

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  • oneamericanmom
    Posted on September 12, 2010 at 8:58am

    Oh. And pension ‘generosity’. But let’s not focus on that. Let’s focus on the expensive medical treatments that might just work. Or that might, at least, give folks a little bit longer to be with their loved ones. I’ll bet if Bill was given the choice of whether to try an experimental procedure or a course of treatment to extend the life of a seriously ill family member vs. making another large charitable donation, he’d choose the family member. Or at least I hope he would.

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  • PostProgressiveAmerican
    Posted on September 12, 2010 at 8:56am

    The real issue is too much Government. How about we privatize healthcare and education so we do not need the Government to decide how to spend our tax dollars? The last thing I want is the Government deciding between my life and a teacher’s salary.

    Small Government is the answer.

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    • baldwin4freedom
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:35am

      Exactly!

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    • Hadassah
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 11:20am

      Amen to that!!

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    • shotgun
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 8:47pm

      The Best answer. I do agree. I love Bill Gates but we need people that live in the real world without 50 billion dollars to be making our decisions.

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  • Huskavarana
    Posted on September 12, 2010 at 8:55am

    What the h%ll is Gate’s talking about. Who the h%ll died and made him God. Careful there Gates, keep talking about crap like this and Mac will sky rocket. Or is that what you want?

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    • PeterPablo
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:16am

      Hey we don’t need to lay off teachers or sacrifice healthcare. Bill is rich enough to take care of us all. He can be our nanny or rather our next savior in chief!

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    • BeeBee
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 10:55am

      Gee Bill,

      Maybe we should stop spending millions on expensive software in our schools. That would keep your saintly teachers employed and may save a life to boot.

      These people always inject FEAR when “Spending Cuts” are brought up.
      “Teachers, Firefighters and Police Will Lose Their Jobs”… oh my!

      Heaven forbid they actually cut wasteful spending.

      Who died and made Bill Gates an expert on anything other than computer programming?

      Sarah was right.

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    • Gigantopithecus
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 2:26pm

      Bill Gates is a FREAK. Apparently making all that money crushing the competition made Gates feel like he was God. What a DAMN HYPOCRITE – he parks his principles at the door when it comes to business monopolies – but gets all “ethical” when it comes to taking grandma behind the woodshed to save a few Pinko Commie Brainwashers (teachers).

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  • verdonne
    Posted on September 12, 2010 at 8:55am

    and his money gives him the right to be upset about this and want to decide what should be done for the lowly masses…..arrogant elitist

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    • BrerRabbit
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:07am

      Are his kids in public schools? Hmmmm.

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    • KEA
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:21am

      Not the right to be uspet, just the opportunity to have a microphone and express his veiw. Give the same microphone to thousands of middle class folks and we all know the story will change.

      My mother is dying from Pancreatic cancer. She has been fighting it for 3 years this December. She worked hard her whole life, EARNED her current health benefits by paying for them herself. She may well spend a million dollars in care her last three months but that is her right. Refusing her care and not spending the Insurance companies money, (a product she purchased) is NOT going to save any teacher there job.

      I understand BIll Gates is bright but I think he is out of touch on this one.

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    • seniorcitizen
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 5:43pm

      of course, he has enough money to buy himself several hospitals so what does he have to worry about – he and his will be cared for – isn’t that the way most liberals think and do.

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  • Debrabate
    Posted on September 12, 2010 at 8:52am

    ok I listened to this 5 times… I cannot see where he said he wanted death pannels… I can where he very clearly mentioned the idiocity behind governtment run health care and what will be the end result of death pannels. I can also see where he said clearly that he doesnt want teachers laid off. What I cannot see is where he said that he supports death pannels.

    What was the original question? that was not included in the video.

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    • Independent Tess
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:03am

      I think the conclusion was implied:

      Old, sick people use a lot of money.
      Without this money , teachers will be laid off.
      I don’t want teachers laid off (given a choice I will take the teachers rather than the old folks)
      Therefore, I don’t want the old folks to get the money = “death” panel

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    • Debrabate
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:08am

      I would still rather see the question… remember.. context counts. This I would consider an incomplete and inaccurate story until the ENTIRE lead-in question is posted.

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    • Born2Run
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:13am

      You can‘t see it because you don’t want to. It’s very clear he is not in favor of the “trade off” of supporting people in their last months, which he claims has “no benefit whatsoever”, as opposed to laying people off.

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    • Lssmc
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:26am

      What was it Obama said? Give grandma a pain pill instead of heart surgery? Gates is only espousing the wishes of his leader. If you didn’t see his utter disdain for those in their final years in this clip, you’re just a kool-aide sipper like Gates.

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    • Born2Run
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:30am

      You want context? Look at the whole conversation here:

      http://fora.tv/2010/07/08/A_Conversation_with_Bill_Gates_at_Aspen_Ideas_Festival

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    • Debrabate
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:36am

      Thank you Born2Run… watching now…. much appreciated

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    • Debrabate
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 10:35am

      OK I have watched the entire video up to where he completes his lecture on Healthcare and moves on to IQ Allocation.

      If you all will watch the video, start on chapter 10…. continue through chapter 12… you will see that he is not supporting death panels, he is blasting over spending by the state and federal governments as well as the compensations system of our medical system.

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    • kralspaces
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 10:57am

      Born2Run, thanks for the reference. I enjoyed the entire video.

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    • EqualJustice
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 11:38am

      Head in sand.

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    • Born2Run
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 1:15pm

      Chapters 10 – 12, as for the importance of context, didn’t change anything. Gates mockingly referred to this sort of talk as “death panels”. He reinforced this opinion by stating there is a reluctance to examine “…huge medical costs, which have no benefit whatsoever.”

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    • Eagle07
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 5:54pm

      Ok Math lesson old people pay taxes Dimocrats. Now get rid of old people and your tax rates go up for schools and such because someone has to pick up the slack.And the deniors kids are already thru the system.

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    • InformedOpinions
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 10:18am

      He did not state he wanted to trade ill people‘s lives to save teachers’ jobs. He stated that there are some end of life medical procedures that are proven to have no live-saving or life-improving benefit and that those costs should be eradicated. He didn’t say that the medical costs that ARE beneficial should be done away with.

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    • tierrah
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 5:38pm

      Debrabate, I too visited the link you provided and Gates did not say he wanted to see Death Panels, at least in the portions that were not totally blank, he didn’t say that. There were many “blank” spaces in the audio as well as the transcript so we really don’t know all he did say! And you‘re probably right in stating that he likely doesn’t support Death Panels; however, the gist of the comparison he made between the teachers pensions and the medicare/medicaid payments to those who cannot contribute to society (my wording, not his) in their last 3 months of life was based on a monitary value. How can you equate life to a teacher’s pension? My question is why this article was even included for debate on The Blaze? There are far more important issues to discuss than what Bill Gates thinks about education!!!!

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    • tierrah
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 5:49pm

      Debrabate, I too visited the link you provided for the “full” video. It wasn’t really a full video nor was the transcript a full one, for there were many blank spaces in both. So we truly don’t know all that Bill Gates said since both the video and transcript are incomplete. To me, the fact that he would compare monetarily a person’s life to the pension of a teacher is ludicrous! What I’m wondering is why this article was even posted to The Blaze. We have far more issues to discuss than Bill Gates’ opinion regarding education!!!

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  • danglingbags
    Posted on September 12, 2010 at 8:52am

    THE MAN IS BRINGING UP an argument. IT IS something legitimate to discuss, but INSTEAD the RIGHT WINGERs SCREAM DEATH PANEL and scare people. THIS IS BECAUSE THE GOP>TEA PARTY AND RIGHT WING are incapable of intelligent discussion.

     
    • PostProgressiveAmerican
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 8:59am

      /ignore

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    • Libertarian Infidel
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:00am

      Bill Gates is the one the specifically used the words “death panel” as a reference…are you saying Bill Gates is a right winger?

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    • H2OBoardem
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:11am

      Oooo, you reverrted to the Caps Lock again. Can’t hear yourself type without it?

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    • H2OBoardem
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:19am

      Troll. Get a life and a real job.

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    • Cemoto78
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:27am

      Ignore, too.

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    • baldwin4freedom
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:33am

      Lets have a discussion. Here are the differences on this issue.

      The Democrats will dictate how to spend our tax dollars on all the people, no matter whether we agree with it or not.

      The Republicans do not want the government involved in how to spend your tax dollars on the people. “Individual choice.”

      This movement wants to restore our Country to self reliance. The whole entitlement system is a failure because we cannot pay enough taxes to cover the costs without destroying the economy. Those that have allowed themselves to become reliant upon entitlements has made themselves vulnerable. This is why We The People must not accept anything from the government. It is better to make the choices you need to make based upon your own individual financial position.

      People do you want to be pushed in the water against your will or will you go ahead and jump in the water knowing the outcome. Do not go down with your hand out. Have some HONOR.

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    • 40toLife
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:35am

      I know that you Libs have little regard for human life but let me put it this way.

      YES it is more important to try to save that life, even if they are old, then it is to try to safe 10 worthless teacher jobs. I would rather home school my kids then let you libs indoctrinate them and I sure as hell dont want to pay you to do it.

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    • FaithHopeCharity45
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:39am

      To quote an intellegent person here…..”Don’t feed the Ogre!”

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    • Buck Bagaw
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:52am

      Good ol’ Dinglebug. Reminds me of a saying my Grandfather used when confronted by such a fool. “ Some dogs just gotta bark”.

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    • dadsrootbeer
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:58am

      May you or someone in your family never get seriously ill and a death panel decides their fate….By the way, their is a death panel in Obama care. And by the way, if Obama care was such a great accomplishment why aren’t they running on it for re-election?

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    • kralspaces
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 10:09am

      Dinglingbags, you had a great opportunity to start that discussion, but instead…

      I would have discuss living wills and medical proxies to limit life support. For one, I will not be burning up precious teacher salaries to sustain my life. Besides, I would rather those millions be used for something more substantial then our failing school system. We have been pouring billions into them since the 60′s and it is only getting worse. Gates used the wrong analogy option for his argument. He should have stayed with his innovate energy strategy.

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    • Rickfromillinois
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 10:13am

      Let’s take it to the next logical step. One of the the biggest costs on state’s is the unfunded retirement funds for the unionised state workers. It cost states as much as 3 trillion dollars. Think of how many teachers and other projects could be paid for if when state workers reached retirement age we just KILLED THEM. First though we could go to all of the retirement homes and KILL THEM. They are old and not productive. Then we can find all of the handicapped people, who are not productive, and KILL THEM.
      Is this the type of world you want to live in? My cousins wife has a brain tumor and was told she has 6 months to live. That was over 3 years ago. Instead of growing larger, with chemo and other drugs it has grown smaller, even though that wasn’t supposed to happen, and hopefully it will continue to do so. If they had just said forget it, she would be dead. How about old age? You get old and they take away all of their medication and let them die. So much for the caring and loving liberals. They will “love” you to death.

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    • caddy_45
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 10:41am

      I’m sure that if d-bag were in this “last three months of life situation” he would be telling his family not to spend the money on keeping him alive and just allow himself to pass. you see d-bag, when its your money, you can do whatever the hell you want with it.

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    • Jaimo
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 10:45am

      Umm no. I love when stupidly wealthy people feel they have a right to tell the rest of us what’s right for us. I say fire the teacher, they’re not doing anything much better for the students than the guy with 3 months to live. Actually the way our kids are learning nowadays, they can be expected to live shorter lives due to underemployment and unhealthy lifestyles because they’re too stupid to receive gainful employment after leaving the government controlled schools. So maybe in a way the teachers are doing Obamacare a favor. Hmmmm.

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    • cocsp2002
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 10:47am

      No one is screaming anything, douchebags, or whatever your name is. You, sir, are the one screaming HATE and RACISM and FEARMONGERS. If the Leftist government had consulted an obscure, ancient document that once had legal standing in this country (just to save you time on Google…it’s called the U.S. Constitution), they would have found that those powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution nor prohibited by it to the States shall be reserved to the States, respectively, or TO THE PEOPLE. (OK, technically Bill of Rights, but it is “Amended” to the Constitution)
      What I’m saying here, is that death panels would never have become an issue if we had government with the consent of the governed.

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    • Jeetman
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 10:51am

      I swore I wouldn‘t answer this guy but I have to just this once and I’ll do it in the way he’ll understand:

      Danglingboob,

      HERE’S THE PROBLEM WITH SOCIAL ENGINEERING. IT DEHUMANIZES PEOPLE. WHEN THAT HAPPENS AND THINGS ARE DONE FOR THE GOOD OF THE COLLECTIVE, IT SPIRALS OUT OF CONTROL. IT ALWAYS HAS. WHEN THE GUILLOTINE WAS INVENTED. IT WAS HALED AS THE MOST QUICKEST AND HUMANE WAY TO EXECUTE PEOPLE AND IT WAS. WHAT HAPPENED NEXT? MASS EXECUTIONS. IT TOOK A LITTLE WHILE FOR THE FRENCH TO FINALLY REALIZE THAT.

      LET US NOT GO DOWN THE ROAD OF DEMORALIZING A HUMAN LIFE AS GATES IS DOING. IT IS THIS EXACT LINE OF THINKING THAT ALLOWED THE GERMANS TO EXTERMINATE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. THINK ABOUT THE “UNINTENDED” CONSEQUENCES HERE!!!!

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    • kohlmann51
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 10:52am

      So is your statement the start of an “intelligent discussion ”?

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    • broker0101
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 11:15am

      So, liberal Bill Gates says (while advocating for) “Death Panels”, but “right wingers ”scream“ ”Death Panels”. Wow, BEINGTEABAGGEDANDLOVINGIT, that is an intelligent argument!

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    • Hadassah
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 11:15am

      The value of a human life is priceless. Whether it be an aging, dying person or someone else we need to remember that quality of life is not defined by anyone else except that individual.

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    • sonnetswan
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 11:38am

      Folks, Dingleberry is just rattling our cage. He obviously is paid to provoke us. Why would a leftwing nut hang out at a conservative site? Why would he reply sooo often? His behavior is illogical. He is paid to do what he’s doing, a mercenary.

      Bill Gates is also infamous for advocating population control via vaccines. I really don’t trust his morality.

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    • fande3rls
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 11:53am

      Ding ,
      once you devalue human life at anyone point you devalue all human life.
      this is a slippery slide to Auschwitz..
      please read the paper by C Evert Coop THE SLIDE TO AUSCHWITZ
      again this is showing another LIE of Obama about death panels.
      The history of Progessives always leads to someone lossing their lives for their social betterment of the collective. more and more the progressives sound like the borg

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    • prodigy
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 12:24pm

      Ignor, a waste of time.

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    • Alright Guy
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 12:52pm

      Can we take Noballs off life support or at least take him off this site I am tired of his Obama ideas. Its bad enough he can’t admit Obamas not working out, let alone still wanting to kill everybody with his death panels.

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    • GOTT-EM-MAUSER
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 1:11pm

      Danglebags,

      Yessir there will be “Death Panels” in the future, run by Communist Loyalists like you. However, be assured that the Laws of Natural Order will still prevail. For every one of your “Panels” there will be another very different kind of “Panel” on the other side to provide counterbalance. You might call it the ultimate application of your “FAIRNESS DOCTRINE”. In the end, the outcome for all those who face judgement before these panels will be the same, just by very different means.

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    • Timothy1922
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 1:56pm

      Please do not feed or pet the troll. Thanks and have a nice day!

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    • jmb847
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 2:36pm

      God Bless You, We wish you the best.

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    • notimeforthis
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 2:47pm

      Okay lets talk about how you want to leave this world! What political leader do trust with that?
      Come on back here and discuss it!

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    • hammer09
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 3:20pm

      Amazing how much time DINGLEBRAINS spends here trolling. I hope he realizes that the amount of time spent here reduces the hits on MediaMatters by 50%

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    • usmc1977
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 3:35pm

      Save money cut the Danglingobamabag now !!!

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    • bludog
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 5:14pm

      If my memory of the video is accurate, it was Gates who inserted “death panels” into that interview!

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    • Mainer311
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 7:38pm

      40TOLIFE–

      Not all teachers are liberals, and those of us who aren’t are really tired of being slammed.

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    • shotgun
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 8:50pm

      This idiot dungbag is on every forum. Where do people like this come from??? ???

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    • Maus
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 8:57pm

      You’re an idiot

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    • MCGIRV
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:02pm

      Blah,blah, blah.

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    • Indomitus
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:54pm

      Dangling Bags (Such an imaginative moniker!),
      Of course it is a legitimate discussion. However, in case you missed it, the context of his claim is that those of us who disagree with him are the ones who won’t allow it to take place, just as you are claiming we are not capable of lucid participation in said discussion. Both tactics are transparent attempts to denude the opposition argument before it can be evaluated – a typical tactic, used when one’s own argument has little or no basis.
      It is interesting to note that you use ad hominem attacks (name calling) and CAPS, a textual form of “screaming”, in an attempt to convince someone – anyone – that those who oppose your positions are dangerous and irrational, and that they should, therefore, be scared of us, while you accuse your imaginary opponents of the very same. It is a fascinating example of combining denial, displacement, projection and regression. You could be a case study for arrested intellectual development through pathological neuroses.
      Now, if you would only stop your hysterical harangues long enough to hear what the other side actually has to say, you might learn something. But, alas, you will not. You are simply a mindless provocateur, not intelligent enough to form your own cogent position, but so full of anger you feel a need to interfere with the discussion at hand. So, be a good little rebel now and go play with your manifestos. The grownups have some issues to discuss …

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    • MorkfromOrk
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 11:11pm

      I hope, for your sake dangle, that you are under the age of 30. It would explain a lot. Until you change your highly offensive screen name and learn to use rhetoric properly, don’t accuse large groups of people of being incapable of intelligent discussion when all you can muster is a juvenile insult.

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    • ron the veteran
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 12:05am

      go tell your daddy we are comming for him. it dont matter what you say, your finished before you even started. never again will we americans be asleep. and we are comming for idiots like you and serving your eviction notices. america is no longer a place for any of you. we are out to educate every american about you and your lies. go live with hugo where youll be safe.

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    • ItsMeTyler
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 12:15pm

      Gates is getting old, I’d vote for the school teacher and let him go…..

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    • capitalideals
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 2:24pm

      Danglin, you are at least as capable of debate as senate candidate Alvin Greene is.

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    • Vil
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 6:29pm

      Danglingballs, thank you for coming out of granny’s basement again. I could give a damn where you stand on the political divide; if you conduct yourself like a moron I will laugh at you indiscriminately. Considering that sites like this are all about politics, we definitely need a rodeo clown. Many will tell you to cut it out, but to you, I say be brave! In the face of adversity, type in all caps with two fingers, as you drool, and continue unabashedly with your rhetoric! Without it, I feel that these threads would completely lose their comedic value. I’m sure that, in some weird way, you’re trying to get a point across. I won‘t even pretend to get the point that you’re making, but that doesn’t matter. I always need a good laugh, and without your ravings, there would be far less.

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    • Kevin777
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 7:33pm

      That’s always what “progressives” say if you don’t agree with them…that you are unintelligent. LOL… Is it “intelligent” to spend money you don’t have? Is it intelligent to to say “if you can’t measure it, it doesn’t exist”? Is it intelligent to say, “Ok, now that yo have worked your butt off, sacrificed much of your life and family (perhaps), you must now give over what you have reaped to those who have not sown”? “You reap what you sow”, conservatives are ok with that truism, but progressives are NOT ok with it… LOGICALLY one has two conclusions… that progressives are either unwilling to sow (work) for what they want, or they are massively empathetic towards others… Well, if we give them the benefit of the doubt (which they never give us) we can say they are massively empathetic towards their fellow man…but what the data shows is that the reverse is true… they give MUCH less CHARITABLY than conservatives as a whole. Hmmm…so I guess it is a LOGICAL conclusion that they just don’t want to sow what they reap, they want to reap what others sow and further, they want to be in charge of both the reaping and sowing… Just move to China and join the communist party and you will have your dream life…Hopefully you won’t get too close to the peasants that get shot in the head for reading a bible or uploading photos of their miserable living conditions onto the internet…

      With regard to Bill Gates sentiment… it is a totally rational argument if you take God out of the argument. I‘m sure atheists think it’s brilliant. The problem is Evolution is a THEORY, not a fact. Any why are they so afraid of us teaching another THEORY (Creation) in schools and letting people make up their own minds? Hmmmm ??? Becuase it’s just not intelligent they say…h ha ha haha A little man, cursing his Creator, telling Him He doesn’t exist… how funny.

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  • Independent Tess
    Posted on September 12, 2010 at 8:49am

    Oh, Bill! Say it ain’t so.
    This is what you get when the importance of the individual is diminished in favor of the collective.

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    • ajt
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 10:05am

      Dittos to that…

      >> “…individual is diminished in favor of the collective.”

      This is what is call “reality thinking” in Obama’s America. Obama’s declaration of war against the U.S. Constitutions is becoming a reality.

      When Obama said, 5 days before his election, “… we are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America,“ he meant that his vision for America is a transformation from and ”individualist“ constitutional republic into an ”collectivist” commune democracy.

      Bill Gates is no Cass Sunstein, but Gates seems to be “nudging” the conversation along as if he were on Obama czar.

      Class war rhetoric is a societal good, ’cause it’s for the COMMON good and EVERYBODY wins, you see, in a democracy… especially those from whom the collective gets the most bang for the buck.

      Art
      STOP! Islamization Of America

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    • forgetz_alot
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 10:28am

      Shouldn’t the argument be based on why these treatments cost so much? Even in Mr. Gates world, things are very expensive when they first come out, but once the newness wears off…prices drop dramatically. Why is it that medical procedures on aging medical equipment still has the same costs or even higher costs than when they were cutting edge? Probably the same reason that an Aspirin cost up to $100 at any given hospital.

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    • FFPanama
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 10:47am

      FORGETZ-ALOT, the medical cost so much reason is LAWYERS! Most medical professionals with a private practice pay almost 55% of their cost as Malpractice insurance. Hospitals have to pay for all of the Homeless and Illegals who come to the Emergency Room and use it as their primary care physician. Typical ER wait is 7 hours in most large metropolitan areas. The only way to get fast treatment in an ER is to arrive in an ambulance. Change the law to make the loser pay ALL cost associated with a lawsuit including both sides legal as well as court cost and you will see a lot of cost go down as frivolous suits will stop.

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    • Al Gator
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 11:17am

      Tess,
      Billy boy Gates always was and always will be, a flaming liberal. No one should be surprised by his comments.

      REMEMBER, Always pillage BEFORE you burn!

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    • Peters
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 11:21am

      Danglingbags:

      We’ve been observing you for a while now . . . your demeanor, your ability to formulate and present logical strings of knowledge and information, to have a meaningful conversation that does something to bridge the gap between the differences that exist between left and right America.

      But take notice, on the “right” there is a sincere desire to coexist with the left as it is the nature of the people that comprise the so called “right.” But also, we’re very much open to discussions and debates of ideologies and ethics and truths . . . but we will not forfeit the integrity of the process; we will insist that only honest debates take place. In other words, the foundation for the logic that liberalism is built upon will be called to the forefront as we expect you will want to do with the constructs of conservatism, of the Tea Party. You will have to openly explain your liberalism, in depth and show your intentions. You will have an opportunity to display your personal evolution, the evolution of the liberal mind and liberal mindset.

      And because we understand what that means to the realities that liberalism creates and maintains by way of wide spread cultural conditionings, we understand why, in reality, you and your group will not actually debate or have meaningful conversations. Your call to do this is a feigning at best. It is clear, liberals believe there is no coexisting with the right; and never mind the “radical right wing” that you so infamously profess to know of, the group that doesn’t really exist in any magnitude; but we should and will talk about that, for nothing else but to debunk the myth, the fabricated reality, the cultural conditioning.

      But you have to be honest; it’s the least you can do to cultivate a measure of credibility for yourself and the group that you represent. There is no indication whatsoever coming from the left that there is any interest in coexisting with what you perceive as being the right, or too much of the right; there is only talk of isolation and elimination of the right.

      Perhaps far too simplified, this notion was framed and made evident by the way in which GW first took office offering an olive branch to Democrats, to the left . . . But the left took that olive branch and beat it over his head for eight years in fits of liberal incoherent misdirected rages.

      Consider for a moment that early on Bush in fact sought dialogue from the left despite facing great insult from the very beginning of his tenure; we fully remember no chance was given to him at all. And unlike Limbaugh stating that he wanted Obama’s brand of liberal government to fail, because it will, that sooner is preferred than later . . . as in avoiding a long slow death, that sort of thing, if you missed the point of it all. But it’s your people that actively sought ways and means to see to it that Bush failures were created, that they were fabricated in the media and widely broadcasted throughout the education system, to young America, society at large.

      And then, let’s not forget that GW’s difficulties with the left began immediately. It was famously put on display by the way in which Clinton’s staff vacated the WH leaving the offices with sabotaged equipment and unfavorable conditions. For eight years GW turned the proverbial other cheek. And again, at the time of his vacating Washington, he extended another olive branch by conducting the turn over to the Obama administration in a most gracious and efficient manner, giving to Obama a presumption of respect and dignity many of us did not think he was worthy of simply because he represented all the left did during the Bush administration years. The left, Obama, they still carry on with these ill sentiments and activities that foster division to this day. Obama and the left, they can only feign respect for their predecessor(s) as they don’t have any, as you and your group have none for us here, or anywhere else as you make evident by the way in which you speak to us.

      The bottom line is Danglingbags, and other liberals that are passing through here, it is fully recognized that the “left” is at war with America because the “left” has decided America is theirs for the taking. And because it’s not being attempted with guns or bombs doesn’t mean that the seriousness of your offenses are not real.

      The Tea Party and conservatives, Danglingbags, are simply awake to your dealings. We have been watching you.

       
    • Eagle07
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 11:47am

      Notice how easy it is for someone who has the money to take his loved ones anywhere in the world and pay for treatment for them to tell those of us who can‘t that we should put our relatives down like animals so we can give more money to an inner city school where it won’t mean anything anyway.

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    • ron the veteran
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 11:49pm

      i think bill gates should give up every dime hes made from all of us. if hes so worried about teachers let him pay them. besides hes got more money than he can ever spend. and obama hes got a few million he can give up. and what about the clintons? they got plenty of money too. before they get one more dime from any of us. we d better see all of them handing over their money. after all they got enough money and dont need it all. whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

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  • jeffro314
    Posted on September 12, 2010 at 8:47am

    ‘no benefit whatsoever?!?’
    he controls our cyber lives and apparently is ok with controlling our real lives too…

     
    • M31Sailor
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:37am

      What happens when teachers are on the death panels?

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    • BeeBee
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 10:26am

      So, in other words Bill Gates just said:

      Teachers are more important than you are. . . Nice.

      “SAVE A LIFE, FIRE A TEACHER”

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    • dwh320
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 10:42am

      Looks like Sarah was right. The Progressive’s like Bill Gates can hardly wait to start decieding who should live or die.

      He has the money to pasy the teachers himself but he never will as long as he and other Progressives have access to taxpayers money to waste in their plans to make America into a Socialist utopia.

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    • Dandylyon
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 12:35pm

      This is the mindset of the billionaire types,they have it all,done it all,experianced it all,what is left but to contrrol it all.

      Just imagine what it would be like on earth with 6 billion less people.You have to think like a billionaire now.

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    • PeterBreitholtz
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 12:39pm

      Resistance is feasible even for those who are not heroes by nature, and it is an obligation, I believe, for those who fear the consequences and detest the reality of the attempt to impose American hegemony.
      ~Noam Chomsky

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    • Hugh Williams
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 12:54pm

      PETERS
      Great post, but you are wasting you time trying to get Danglinbags to engage in an actual discussion. I have tried several time and he will not respond. He is only capable of reciting leftist talking points.

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    • Elucidate
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 1:25pm

      People need to see the whole interview. This clip does take things out of context. Note to TheBLAZE people, if you keep this up, you will lose a lot of credibility, thus followers, thus likely will affect Beck.

      Elucidate  
    • Deb C
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 2:10pm

      What if it was treatment for his Mom ?

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    • chrish
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 3:17pm

      After hearing what Bill Gates said about choosing teachers over someones life. I really have no respect for him. Before I thought, He earned his money and he gives to charity . Than to say something like this . Really what the heck is going on?

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    • cap0ne
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 4:43pm

      I think ole Bill needs another pie to the face!

      BTW Linux kills M$!!

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    • mercym
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 4:56pm

      If this is not a clip taken out of context, and Bill Gates is truely suggesting ( as it apperars by this clip ) that society should choose to appoint a “death panel” of such, in order to determine who should live or should die…….then I hope that I live to see the day that his name is added to the list ( that appears on that popular email that goes around & that most of us have probably viewed one more than once) of those celebrities who chose to publically mock God and then die shortly afterwards. Bill obviously doesn’t know what he is really saying, and he is too “worldly-brilliant= foolish ” , to see just what kind of a slippery slope those dangerous suggestions that he makes place everyone including himself on. It appears as though he has become his own God, and he like all of the others will be the demise of his own foolishness……..he needs much prayer!
      Self appointed, self-glorified, self destructing…..look at history . Bigger Kings have fallen !

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    • birsterj
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 6:24pm

      I‘d like to see that happen to his loved ones but that won’t happen since he’s got $$$ at his disposal.

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    • t00nces2
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 7:11pm

      Well, I guess if the gov’t was taking MY money to provide medical coverage, I would want those who were not paying their bills to die so as not to spend more of my money.

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    • ProgressivesAreEvil
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 8:55pm

      What is a shame is the doublespeak and nonsense that dribbles out of progressive mouths like yours ProLoveA. Your name alone is an example of the “opposite jargon” progressives use to try and make themselves seem positive. Progressives love the America where they would make the decisions for everyone else because they “know better”.

      Removing people’s freedom of choice and equality of opportunity to “fix” the health care problem will only cause it to get worse. But you keep on dribbling your bull, I’m sure all of us here will be converted to your views which seem very similar to something a victim of brain damage might think.

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    • BiggerBullet
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:09pm

      SO, after taking control of the software industry, Bill Gates now wants to play God.

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    • Beckofile
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 9:37pm

      Progresivelovesamerican is correct about the fact that we have death panels in the insurance companys as of late. The problem now exist that the death panel will be transfered from them to the government. This is going to work out great for grandma. We cant fire them or move our our policy somewhere else. We will be stuck and I hope you like your fixed one insurance company. You will not be happy.

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    • dickpen
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 10:11pm

      Let me understand this, people like Bill Gates gets the same DEATH PANEL as an autistic child or a quadriplegic. DON”T YOU SEE WHERE THIS IS GOING? WAKE UP PEOPLE!

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    • redneck
      Posted on September 12, 2010 at 10:29pm

      Appears to be Mr Gates interview for TaxExemption status.

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    • Todd W
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 1:45am

      @ Deb C Bill doesn’t think that way. He sees himself as an Elite, and so this wouldn’t apply to him. Only the “little people” that don’t matter.

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    • JJ Coolay
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 4:54am

      Hey Bill, stick with developing Windows, pal.

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    • machiavelli
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 7:50am

      Teacher jobs are based on ENROLLMENT. Teachers don’t lose jobs based on funding. Also, why is it that the left always goes to HAVING to cut ,teachers, police, medicare, military and not pork spending, building mosques around the world, or even congress retirement?
      You can’t fix stupid….but, you CAN vote it out !

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    • cmaczko
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 10:30am

      ah… but HE could afford HIS OWN medical care, so his last 3 months will be “OK”……right?

      i miss my old fashioned health insurance, where i pay them and they pay my med bills….. it’s called a contract.

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    • BS61
      Posted on September 13, 2010 at 4:43pm

      Here’s more at 4:10 where he talks about capitalism failing, then goes on to talk about climate and to top it off with population control! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOAaUKcFtkc

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    • misterresearcher
      Posted on September 14, 2010 at 2:12am

      Real Patriots wiill counter MSM by carrying mis-spelled signs & signs with hate-speech to progressive events.

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