Bin Laden Mocks French Economy in New Audio Broadcast
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CAIRO (The Blaze/AP) — Osama bin Laden demanded that France withdraw its troops from Afghanistan in exchange for the release of French hostages being held by al-Qaida affiliates, according to an audio message broadcast on an Arabic news channel Friday. He also took time to mock the French economy.
“The exit of your hostages out of the hands of our brothers depends on the exit of your troops from Afghanistan,” bin Laden said in the message broadcast by Al-Jazeera.
Extremist groups associated with al-Qaida are holding at least seven French hostages, including five in the Sahara Desert and two in Afghanistan.
France has about 3,850 troops in Afghanistan as part of the NATO mission fighting the Taliban. French forces are deployed mainly in the Kapisa and Surobi districts north and east of Kabul, the Afghan capital.
French President Nicolas Sarkozy has said his nation remains undaunted in its role to help stabilize Afghanistan.
French Foreign Ministry spokesman Bernard Valero said Bin Laden’s message was still being authenticated. “We are determined to continue our efforts on behalf of the Afghan people, with our allies,” Valero said.
Bin Laden reminded the French people of Sarkozy’s refusal in November to withdraw French troops from Afghanistan and to negotiate with al-Qaida over the hostages.
“Your president’s rejection is a result of being a hireling to America and is a green light to kill the hostages. … His stand will cost you a high price on different aspects inside or outside France,” he said.
The al-Qaida leader questioned why the French would consider the resistance against Nazi German troops occupying their nation in World War II to be heroic while the fight against French and other foreign troops in Afghanistan is labeled terrorism.
“Why do you judge in a double standard?” he said.
Bin Laden also challenged whether the state of France’s economy would allow it to wage a successful fight against al-Qaida.
“The size of your debts and the weakness of your budget will not allow you to open a new front,” he said.
Al-Qaida has often sent audio messages to Al-Jazeera for broadcast.
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Greg Keller contributed to this report from Paris.
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tenn3535
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 1:31pmHow can the French people find him, but yet we act like he vanished from thin air???
Report Post »Probably relatd to Hussein Obama.
Moment of Clarity
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 1:28pmit astounds me that bin-laden has not been killed yet – there is a purpose as to why bin-laden is kept alive – it’s just not possible that we do not know where he is located
Report Post »Silat
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 1:27pmGenius? He hasn’t accomplished squat. He can’t leave his cave. If he wants to go to heaven, then he needs to strap on one of those devices and blow his lousy ass up. Then he can see 72 Nuns.
Where is his army? They are a bunch of illiterate ass wipes.
Report Post »mcFirst
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 1:25pmBin gone long time.
10 years in Sept. And he is still out there, are we are suppose to believe that he is.
He is right – Large Debt = Weakness. the group think mind of DC keeps sending us the wrong direction.
The lesson of 2008 was supposedly no one so it coming. I wonder what else we are supposedly not seeing.
Report Post »RefoundHonor
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 1:15pm@Ashrak
If you can’t see why Bin Laden is a genius then you are either very ignorant, or lack common sense. Don’t confuse hatred with being sensable. Just because you violently despise someone and totally disagree with what they are doing (which I do as well) doesn‘t mean you can’t view him as a genius. Another example? Barrack Obama. INDREDIBLY intelligent. It’s not that he lacks common sense he chooses to not use it, for the purpose of his agenda.
And for the record, I’m not on the “left.”
Report Post »RodT82721
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 1:07pmI find it amazing that someone pops an audio tape out of a cave somewhere in Pakistan, and in minutes, it is heard around the world. Comes to mind the adage, “a lie goes around the world while the truth is getting it’s boot on”.
Report Post »When was the last time someone laid eyes on the elusive Bin-buddy? Seems to me it’s been over 8 years. Not even Howard Hughes managed that. Yet every time another tape comes sailing out of the cave, we all wait with baited breath for the great ones words of wisdom.
I say if the great one (Bin Laden) has not assumed room temperature and has something to say, then come on down and lets have a debate! Enough with the silly tapes.
Silat
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 1:05pmThe only thing breaking France and the US are the liberals, communist and socialist. Bin Laden blew his load on 9-11. He is a joke! Show your lousy ********** and see if it doesn’t get shot off. You live in a rat hole!
Report Post »Silat
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 1:02pmThis piece of human waste has no home, no country and he has no class. His religion is broken just like his words. He recruits from the half wits and cut throats.
Report Post »Ashrak
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 1:01pmHey Osama, as you would, and do, kill all those who disagree with you, so did the Nazis. You and your ilk are akin to them and why a relentless campaign, stretching the world over, is being waged to destroy you just as the Nazis were destroyed. Your kind sided with Nazis then and you remain there today.
Many Muslims have come to realize the falsities you preach and the errors of your ways. Indeed, they are coming to do what Islam itself forbids – questioning Islam. They grow tired of you being the voice of Islam. They grow tired of being viewed as demons and a scourge upon humanity. They grow tired of the assault upon humanity itself you and yours engage in. They grow tired of sitting idle while women are enslaved and children are molested in the name of Islam. They grow tired of your barbarism. They grow tired of a supposed and self proclaimed leader too afraid, too timid, to even show himself alive this day as he calls for life sacrificing courage in the face of a fight you, and they, cannot win.
Osama, you are nothing. You are a poser. You wrote a check you could not cash. Indeed, I question if you even live. The French? You target the French, today?
Seems to me that the recordings are growing tougher and tougher to fabricate in such a way as to even be remotely relevant, huh?
Report Post »psst
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 12:41pmOl’ OBL should be talking to French Union leaders instead of the govenment.
Report Post »I mean, they run the country.
Talking to the Frog’s government is like talking to the hand.
All Ol’ OBL have to do is tell the French Union leaders that they should elect him prez of France. He would give them retirement after 5 years w/ triple their wages as retirement benefits, 6 mths vacation for each year of employment Oh, and free food and 2 Citroens per family.
Man, in the 5th year, each union worker would only have 22 weeks to work.Sweet!!!
psst
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 12:58pmI was wong . Can you believe it. They would get 30 mths out of 12. :-)
Report Post »Can’t get any sweeter than that.
RefoundHonor
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 12:41pmBin Laden is a genius. An evil man beyond belief, but pure genius. If we actually ever listened to the man, he told us straight from him mouth. We(al-qaida) will bog you(usa) down in 2 no win wars(Iraq,afghanistan) and bleed your nation econmically. The longer we fight the more we lose. He recognizes how arrogant our government is and exploits it against us. Like I said, a genius.
Report Post »Ashrak
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 1:04pmI can see why lefties think he is a genius. (Note that Joe Biden says the same thing about Obama)
Report Post »Right down to global warming, terrorists and lefties have the similar tactics and the same platform.
docgreen
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 12:32pmAnyone believe that Sharia’s coming to America better read this story!… World Net Daily!
Also, did you guys hear that Chris Cristie is going to appoint a muslim to a federal judge? Sharia compliant? Its coming unless we take a stand against it, and stop our Govt. from funding for Sharia! One day were going to wake up, and suprise! Are not Federal judges appointed for life? How can he protect our laws, and at the same time, want to change ours to Sharia? Just asking to watch for this!
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=253009
WAR ON TERROR
Judge OKs ‘flag of Islam on American soil’
Decision approves government funding for Shariah indoctrination
Read more: Judge OKs ‘flag of Islam on American soil’ http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=253009#ixzz1BgxAU0C9
Report Post »ares338
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 12:23pmBin Laden is a man (and I use that term lightly) without a country. His only purpose in life is killing in the name of religion.There have been many like him and will always be more like him. The only thing to do is to take all precautions against violence and ignore his moronic rhetoric.
Report Post »Flux
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 12:14pmWow, @Untameable-kate! I love your imagination! That’s way better than what I thought of!
Report Post »autumnsmommie
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 11:56amPRAGMATICA,
Really Divinity of Joesph Smith? Being as I am a mormon we believe he was a prophet. Nothing more nothing else. Why are you attacking somebody’s religion. PLEASE you do not know the religion do not comment. I do not argue my sisters religious belief. She is Catholic when her inlaws are visiting and athiest when they are gone.Crazy yes and a very out spoken LIBERAL as she says she is. I am a convert to the mormon religion and I strongly believe in the book of mormon. Let say when Cortez came to visit the Aztec Indians They believe he was their god. The god that was suppose to come again that a pale face, mustache, wavy hair. I learned that in history. I did not convert until 2008. Oh also mayans have a record of a 40 day flood that happened. Again learned that in World Geography, before I converted to Mormonism. Remember I have a right to my religion like you have your right to freedom of speech.
Report Post »Pragmatica
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 1:02pmSorry meant to say “divinely” inspired book (i.e. The Book of Mormon that was divinely inspired and written by Joseph Smith)! I stand by everything else I’ve said! I am a Catholic and I’m critical of Mormonism theologically… Just as I’m critical of Islam, Buddism, and the flying spaghetti monster! I am not saying you are evil or going to hell or anything but I believe Mormonism is a barren doctrinal path!!! I don’t believe Joseph Smith was divinely inspired and so I try to spread the “Truth” as I see it. If you want to follow GB and the Book of Mormon that is fine. Feel free to worship and I’ll feel free to be critical!
Report Post »Pragmatica
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 1:38pmSpam!!!
Report Post »NickDeringer
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 11:27amBin Laden can blog about France because America is being run by a pro-terrorist, “Let’s feel good about radical Islam by letting them fly for NASA” president.
Report Post »Pragmatica
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 11:32amWhat?
Report Post »docgreen
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 1:08pmCorrect amundo!
Report Post »Pragmatica
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 1:15pmface palm
Report Post »LOGICALDAN
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 11:15amDO NOT NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORSITS!!
The french should consider those hostages already dead…..
Instead of removing troops from AFGH, they should send more!!!
DEATH TO BIN LADEN!!!
Report Post »jgeezy
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 11:25amWhoa LOGIC, you better be careful with that hateful rhetoric. The media might claim you are insighting violence towards poor Bin Laden.
http://practicalpolitician.wordpress.com/
Report Post »Pragmatica
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 11:34amPeople don’t mind the hateful rhetoric when it is aimed at insurgents like Bin Laden. Hateful and violent rhetoric against our own American people is frowned upon.
Report Post »LOGICALDAN
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 12:25pmPRAG…….Just wondering….is there a difference between an insurgent and a terrorist???
JGEEZY……Dont care what the media thinks…I care what I think…Bin Laden says death to us…I say death to him….We will all die one day and I‘m sure he’ll get his before I get mine…..I know where I‘m going and where he’s going….he doesn‘t know where he’s going but he thinks he does!
Report Post »Non-sequitur
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 2:26pmTechnically, there is no difference between a Freedom Fighter, an Insurgent or a Terrorist. It just depends on the circumstances and who the Insurgent is fighting for.
Report Post »LOGICALDAN
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 2:50pmMartin Luther King, Ghandi and Jesus were freedom fighters…….I don’t think they could also be called terrorists!!!!
Report Post »autumnsmommie
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 11:11amLTB,
Report Post »We all are pretty sure Bin Laden Does not accept Jesus Christ, So I am guessing he is not keeping the ten commandments. His history is telling me he is not on a god track to heaven. But i do understand where Mr. Beck is coming from saying he shares the same religion as I do. Jesus did die for our sins, but he left a path for us to follow also. His baptism, his teachings, he is the example for us to follow and his atonement he has full filled so we can be in heaven. And we all still have to follow god’s law too.
snowleopard3200 {cat folk art}
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 1:13pm@Autum
The other posting is by the faker going after other blazers; I am sick and tired of this counterfeit coming after me. Please ignore them.
Report Post »ltb
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 1:34pmAll I have to say is read the verses I’ve included below, which make it very clear that we are saved through faith in Jesus Christ’s crucifixion and not the Law. If you have heard that your salvation rests in anything other than Christ’s crucifixion for your sins, you have not heard the gospel and if you have not responded to the gospel by receiving the atoning sacrifice of Jesus on the cross you will not go to Heaven.
“know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ.” (Galatians 2:16)
“For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.” (Ro 3:28).
“Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.” (Ro 3:20).
“For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.” (Eph 2:8-9).
“You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort? Have you suffered so much for nothing—if it really was for nothing? Does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you because you observe the law, or because you believe what you heard? (Gal 3:1-5).
“I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!” (Gal 1:6-9).
Report Post »Bearfoot
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 3:28pmLTB,
I admire your efforts to help people learn the scriptures concerning the ransom sacrifice of our Lord Jesus. It is my experience that there is little response to my encouraging actual reading of the Bible.
One point I would like to make is that when Jesus was in the Garden of Gethsemane, he was indeed very concerned about his up-coming trial, his offering up of himself as a sacrificial lamb for all of mankind. He was not God Jehovah, he was His Son, a man, a perfect man, able to give a corresponding ransom of equal value of the perfect man Adam. Adam could have remained loyal to his Creator, but he failed to do so which plunged all his offspring into the condition we now find ourselves. Jesus’ sacrifice was a legal payment made to God to cover our sins.
Report Post »Hebrews 7:26; 9:25-26
BJAlexandria
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 11:11amI fart in your general direction, Bin. May the fleas of a thousand camels infiltrate your groin.
Report Post »Psytoxic
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:36pmYour mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!
Report Post »traderdan
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 11:04amHow do you know Bin Laden isn’t loved by his countryment — all we hear is the propaganda on tv
He is definitely right about France’s economy however
Don‘t you think it’s just a little bit odd we have yet to catch this guy? Puppet show? I think so.
Report Post »Insipid
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 12:07pmI dunno, It took quite a long time to nail Ted Kaczynski and he was stateside. If it were not for his brother recognizing a few sentences taht were somewhat unique to Ted in earlier years and he would still be on the FBI Most Wanted list. We lost our good chance at Tora Bora and its hard to say if we will ever get another.
Report Post »Rowgue
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 1:17pmHe’s been dead for years. There‘s only been one video released and it’s widely proclaimed by intelligence officials to have been faked. Other than that it’s been nothing but audio tapes which are very easy to fake.
Every time they release one of these phony tapes it only serves to illustrate how desperate they are. They can’t ever really win a war, all they can do is keep hiding and hoping you’ll go home. The fact that they are taking the desperate step of trying to blackmail France into retreat only serves to expose that they can’t win a real war.
Report Post »ltb
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 10:55amGlenn is so wrong about the atonement of Jesus and how the 10 Commandments fit into Christianity. The Law in the Bible was never meant to be a pathway to Heaven, it was meant to teach people that we are sinners who are hopelessly lost. How do lost sinners get saved? By accepting the atonement of Jesus through his sacrifice for our sins ON THE CROSS. The atonement did not happen in the Garden of Gethsemane and this is not a tiny matter – if you don’t accept the sacrifice of Jesus ON THE CROSS, you are still dead in your sins.
Galatians 3:24– “Therefore the Law has become our tutor (KJV: schoolmaster) to lead us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.” (NASB)
Report Post »Dale
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 11:10amltb;
What was Christ’s purpose then in the Garden of Gethsemane? Of what import was this time/event?
Report Post »Pragmatica
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 11:15amGlenn’s Mormonism scares me more than anything he disseminates. I would argue Baptists and Catholics have much more in common than Catholics and Mormons. I would worry about his accuracy in Christian theology. He believes in the divinity of Joseph Smith, the Book of Mormon, White Horse Prophecy, Angel Moroni, that he will rule over a planet in the after-life! I would be leery about taking religious lessons from GB.
Report Post »Pragmatica
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 11:36amI’m not trying to be unfairly critical of GB individual but rather critical of Mormonism generally!
Report Post »Dale
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 11:48amPragmatica;
I haven‘t heard Glenn claim Joseph Smith’s divinity – do you have a reference? I don’t remember his saying anything about a white horse prophecy, either – again do you have a reference?
Report Post »ltb
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 11:51amDale
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 11:10am
ltb;
What was Christ’s purpose then in the Garden of Gethsemane? Of what import was this time/event?
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Jesus demonstrated his obedience to God in the Garden of Gethsemane. In the Garden, Jesus’ flesh was struggling with what he, as God, knew he would be enduring over the following days, which can be seen when he prayed “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.” Even though Jesus’ flesh struggled, he still was completely obedient to God’s will, even to the point of allowing himself to be crucified.
The Gospel of Jesus is all about Jesus, it’s not about man. Let me clarify that, it is all about Jesus’ obedience to God in his fulfilling the Law by leading a perfect life that no mortal could ever live and then allowing himself to be sacrificed on the cross as punishment for the sins of mankind. Everything leading up to his crucifixion, including the events in the Garden of Gethsemane, was Jesus fulfilling the Law through his complete obedience to God. Jesus’ sacrifice on the Cross was the atonement for our inability to fulfill the Law ourselves. Christians are not righteous because of anything we have done, we are righteous because of what Jesus did.
“God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.” (2 Cor 5:21)
Report Post »Dale
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 12:37pmLTB;
I understand what you say. However, you gave no scripture identifying that atonement took place on the cross. While, I allow that you may be correct, you do not allow that there is any other explanation regarding Christ’s Gethsemane experience. You acknowledge that He asked to be released, yet fail to entertain that what He was asking was immediate. I can see both possibilities. I don’t understand why you cannot.
Report Post »Psytoxic
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 12:41pmLTB
Report Post »So it didn’t mean anything when “…his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground”? Don’t get me wrong, Mormons (including Beck) believe that the atonement culminated on the cross, but to disregard His suffering in Gethsemane is silly.
Psytoxic
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 12:47pmLol, at Kate wannabe
Report Post »Tithing is your evidence that Beck has been brainwashed?
LOL
snowleopard3200 {cat folk art}
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 1:05pm@LTB
This is the REAL SNOWLEOPARD3200 – move the mouse across the name of mine, and see if there is a real connection to my gallery; our faker is back again and going after me once again.
Report Post »tranquilraider
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 1:05pmSo this is where all the doppelgangers come to play?
Report Post »Pragmatica
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 1:06pmThank you! I take Glenn Beck at his word. If he says he is Mormon then I believe he is Mormon and must believe some “out there” things that I do not believe as a Catholic. I ultimately believe Mormonism will lead you down a barren spiritual path and thus I’m critical of Mormon beliefs… and as an extension Glenn Beck’s beliefs. When Glenn starts to talk about religion and God I cringe because I know he is referring to his Mormonism!!!
Report Post »Psytoxic
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 1:06pmDivinity of Joseph Smith? That’s new.
Report Post »Pragmatica
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 1:13pm@ Dale… Sorry meant to say “divinely-inspired” Book of Mormon. Joseph Smith was ordained by God and divinely inspired to write the Book of Mormon!
Didn’t mean to say he was “divine” himself! Thanks for harping on that little detail though instead of commenting on the broader substance of what I’m saying!
Report Post »ltb
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 1:20pmDale
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 12:37pm
LTB;
I understand what you say. However, you gave no scripture identifying that atonement took place on the cross. While, I allow that you may be correct, you do not allow that there is any other explanation regarding Christ’s Gethsemane experience. You acknowledge that He asked to be released, yet fail to entertain that what He was asking was immediate. I can see both possibilities. I don’t understand why you cannot.
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I think Galatians 3:1-5 makes it very clear. I’ve also included some other verses below that reveal the truth about the Gospel of Christ crucified, but please, please, please pay particular attention to Galatians 1:6-9).
“You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort? Have you suffered so much for nothing—if it really was for nothing? Does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you because you observe the law, or because you believe what you heard? (Gal 3:1-5).
“but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.” (1:23-24).
“God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished—“ (Ro 3:25).
“For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.” (1 Co 2:2).
“May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is a new creation.” (Gal 6:14-15).
“I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!” (Gal 1:6-9).
Report Post »ltb
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 1:59pmPsytoxic
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 12:41pm
LTB
So it didn’t mean anything when “…his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground”? Don’t get me wrong, Mormons (including Beck) believe that the atonement culminated on the cross, but to disregard His suffering in Gethsemane is silly.
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If there are any Mormons reading this, correct me if I’m wrong, but when Mormons speak about the atoning blood of Christ, they mean the blood he sweated in Garden of Gethsemane and not when he was on the cross. That’s why there are no crosses on Mormon churches – they’ve got the atonement wrong. Also, I am not discounting Jesus’ suffering in Gethsemane in the least. Personally, I think the account of Jesus in the Garden underscores just how difficult it is for man to follow God’s will in this fallen world, yet Jesus obeyed. After all, Jesus, who is God, was so distraught in his flesh about what he knew was going to happen during the course of the following days that he began sweating drops of blood. Meanwhile, the disciples slept (Mt 26:36-46).
Report Post »ltb
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 2:07pmuntameable-kate
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 12:44pm
Are you the angry woman who called into Glenn’s show today?
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That’s funny. No, I’m a guy, but I heard the lady who called in, which is why I started this thread. My post doesn’t have anything to do with the article, but I couldn’t let Glenn go unchallenged.
Report Post »Pragmatica
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 2:20pmGlenn NEVER gets challenged on his opinions and assertions! I applaud you sir!
Report Post »Psytoxic
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 2:21pmLTB
You do have it wrong. Mormons believe the biggest part of the Atonement took place on Calvary with Christ’s sacrifice. Without his death the Atonement would be incomplete. They also believe that it started in Gethsemane. It is unfortunate when arguments like Dale‘s seem like Mormons don’t believe in the sacrifice of Christ.
“Faith in Jesus Christ leads us to do good works. The Holy Bible teaches, “Faith without works is dead” (James 2:20). This does not mean that we can be saved by good works, for no amount of good works can cleanse our souls of even a trace of sin without the power of Christ’s sacrifice.”
That is from their website. Sounds like they believe in His sacrifice to me.
Report Post »Pragmatica
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 2:39pmI tend to agree with your analysis. I’m nominally Catholic but believe that if you are a “good” person that loves other people and loves the Lord Jesus Christ, then you will go to heaven. It does not matter what denomination you are, you are still in because you LOVE the Lord and Love and respect other people! I’m just critical of Mormon theology… it’s history of racism (no African Americans allowed to be elders)… the “faith” put into Joseph Smith (golden tablets, Book of Mormon divinely inspired, ect.) and some theological tenants surround the after-life.
Report Post »ltb
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 4:26pmPsytoxic
You said, “Mormons believe the biggest part of the Atonement took place on Calvary with Christ’s sacrifice” and the statement you provided from their website seems to indicate that “good” works are insufficient to absolve us of sin without the sacrifice of Jesus. People need to be very clear about one thing, which is that ALL of the atonement took place on Calvary with Jesus’ sacrifice, not just the biggest part. The impression I get is that Mormons believe you get a little of your salvation from Jesus’ sacrifice and a little of your salvation from doing “good” works. It seems like Mormons have a fundamental misunderstanding when it comes to the works required of God, because the works required of God and belief in Jesus are one and the same. This is plainly illustrated by what Jesus said in John 6:29: “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
One other thing… the last words Jesus spoke before giving up his spirit were “It is finished” (Jn 19:30). Whenever someone has a new “revelation from Heaven” (e.g., Joseph Smith or Muhammad), which adds to or detracts from Jesus’ work on the cross, someone is lying. Either Jesus finished everything he set out to do in bringing salvation to mankind, or he didn’t. If Mormons say Jesus didn’t finish everything he set out to do, then they are calling him a liar; however, if Mormons say he did, then they are calling Joseph Smith a liar. Either way, it doesn’t seem like you can believe Jesus died on the cross for your sins and then believe Joseph Smith when he tells you that you need to supplement the work of Jesus on the cross with “good” works.
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“All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.” Isaiah 64:6.
Report Post »Psytoxic
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 4:32pmSo if Christ‘s work is finished does that mean He won’t be coming back?
:’(
Report Post »Psytoxic
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 4:44pm“Either Jesus finished everything he set out to do in bringing salvation to mankind, or he didn’t. If Mormons say Jesus didn’t finish everything he set out to do, then they are calling him a liar.”
I don‘t know what Mormons are saying but I’m saying you don‘t sound like you know what you’re talking about.
Report Post »ltb
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 5:19pmPsytoxic, I’m guessing you’re not really interested in learning the truth. That’s okay, my “job” as a Christian isn’t to make people believe, it is to tell others about Jesus and those who have heeded the call of God will understand what I say. Unfortunately, for people like you, your willful ignorance prevents you from hearing the truth.
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“’Listen! A farmer went out to sow his seed. As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants, so that they did not bear grain. Still other seed fell on good soil. It came up, grew and produced a crop, multiplying thirty, sixty, or even a hundred times.’ Then Jesus said, ‘He who has ears to hear, let him hear.’” (Mark 4:3-9)
Report Post »Psytoxic
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 5:21pmThat’s ok, you don‘t have to answer the question if you don’t want to.
Report Post »ltb
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 5:45pmPsytoxic, I’ll answer the question, not for your amusement, but because someone else may actually be interested. Jesus’ work on the cross finished everything he set out to do to deliver those of us who would be delivered. When he returns, he will be dealing with people like you who reject the truth and mock him. So, yes, Jesus will return and based on the way Biblical prophecies are being fulfilled at such a breathtaking pace these days, you’re not going to have to wait long before your smugness is turned into horror.
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“But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them. They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over weak-willed women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, always learning but never able to acknowledge the truth.” (2 Ti 3:1-7)
“They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.” (2 Th 2:10-12)
Report Post »Psytoxic
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:10pmAlright, let’s recap.
“Jesus’ work on the cross finished everything he set out to do to deliver those of us who would be delivered.” — This comment deals with the Atonement. His Atoning sacrifice was finished. Which is what He was referring to when He said “it is finished”.
“So, yes, Jesus will return and based on the way Biblical prophecies are being fulfilled at such a breathtaking pace these days, you’re not going to have to wait long before your smugness is turned into horror.” — This comment implies that His work on the Earth is not yet finished. (I love this sentence by the way).
So this comment — “Either Jesus finished everything he set out to do in bringing salvation to mankind, or he didn’t. If Mormons say Jesus didn’t finish everything he set out to do, then they are calling him a liar” — contains some faulty reasoning since He was referring to His sacrifice. Now if the Mormons claimed that the Atonement was not finished then you’d have a point.
Report Post »ltb
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 7:55pmOkay, you’ve almost got it.
***“Jesus’ work on the cross finished everything he set out to do to deliver those of us who would be delivered.” — This comment deals with the Atonement. His Atoning sacrifice was finished. Which is what He was referring to when He said “it is finished”.***
That is correct.
***“So, yes, Jesus will return and based on the way Biblical prophecies are being fulfilled at such a breathtaking pace these days, you’re not going to have to wait long before your smugness is turned into horror.” — This comment implies that His work on the Earth is not yet finished. (I love this sentence by the way).***
I’m glad you liked that sentence, but you evidently are still missing the point. Jesus came to earth the first time to fulfill the law and become the sacrifice for the sins of mankind, so yes that work (i.e., his work of atonement) was finished when he went to the cross.
***So this comment — “Either Jesus finished everything he set out to do in bringing salvation to mankind, or he didn’t. If Mormons say Jesus didn’t finish everything he set out to do, then they are calling him a liar” — contains some faulty reasoning since He was referring to His sacrifice. Now if the Mormons claimed that the Atonement was not finished then you’d have a point.***
That comment doesn’t contain faulty reasoning, the problem is that you keep ignoring the last part of the sentence (i.e., “in bringing salvation to mankind”). Did Jesus finish everything he set out to do IN BRINGING SALVATION TO MANKIND? Once again, yes he did. Everything that needs to be done for you to be saved was accomplished two thousand years ago. When Jesus returns, he is not coming as savior he is coming as judge. Is Jesus’ work on earth finished? No, I never said it was.
Report Post »Psytoxic
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 8:20pmOk, now I’m confused. Your last paragraph coincides with what Mormons believe. So what’s the problem again?
Report Post »ltb
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 8:44pmI know you think you’re being cute, but you’re just being obnoxious. Goodbye Psytoxic and have a good weekend.
Report Post »7.62AirMailComeGetIt
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 10:55amBAAAAA the sound of the sheep that know NOTHING Believe your alphabet News (abc,cbs,nbc,msnbc,etc) And you believe the GOVTS your best friend
“The nine most terrifying words in the English language are,
‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’”
- Ronald Reagan
Believe Nothing of what you HEAR
Half of what you SEE
DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH
GORDON DUFF: CIA HINTS, BIN LADEN DEAD SINCE “EARLY 2000′s” MILITERY NEWSPAPER
veteranstoday.com/2010/06/29/g…/
America’s Top Bin Laden Expert: Osama’s Dead, the Tape is Phony: ABC News
100777.com/node/1511
Former CIA Officials Admit To Faking Bin Laden Video
Posted by Camron Wiltshire on June 22, 2010
250510LadenBy Steve Watson at We Are Change LA/PrisonPlanet:
disinfo.com/2010/06/former-cia…/
Benazir Bhutto: Bin Laden was Murdered
youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9T…
Report Post »Pragmatica
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 11:12amConservatives want “big government” in military affairs! Conservatives support the military industrial complex! Just saying. Much of the reason we are in debt is because of our over-expansive foreign policy that was never questioned by right-wing news outlets!
Report Post »Pragmatica
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 11:31amand of course those nasty “entitlement” programs that are supported overwhelmingly by the American people. If we can get rid of Social Security and Medicare our fiscal situation will improve, but the elderly might riot in the streets bringing chaos!
Report Post »7.62AirMailComeGetIt
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 11:36amGovt is
Pushing nanny state
Over pushing LAWS AGAINST GUN RIGHTS
Re starting NAFTA- which is the North American Union= No USA No More CONSTITUTION No Freedoms
Attacking FREE SPEECH
Arresting People and keeping them for as long as they want for NO REASON
EPA does what ever they want shut you down -follow no rules
TSA- can keep naked pics of not just you your children, you one of their hands down you pants, sons or daughters, JUST FEELIN AROUND
Police beating people and still having jobs
Teachers molesting students and paid to sit in a rubber room and read or get on the internet
Teachers assault 7-8 year old children and keep their job
Forcing obamacare down your throat as they admitted is a new TAX payable to the I R S
Re-writing history right in front of your eyes, doubt me go read the new version of TOM SAWYER, or HUCK FINN
Tell me which one is not happening??? I CHALLENGE ALL OF YOU PROVE ME WRONG
TIME TO WAKE UP AND TAKE A STAND—- For CONSTITUTION and COUNTRY
I ask all TRUE AMERICAN PATRIOTS to click this link and see how they plan to destroy our GREAT NATION. you know where i stand. View Politicians in the house and senate rex 84 and the terrorism talked about 25 yrs ago.
it has BEEN THEIR PLAN FOR YEARS Most Shocking REALITY YOU WILL EVER SEE news clips newspapers congressmen video backing everything
POLICE STATE 4 (FULL VERSION HQ ) youtube.com/watch?v=fXBNRxUIZBM
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i just got done watching police state 4 very good info
“You don’t die for your country,
you make the other bas tard die for his.”
- Gen. George S. Patton
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on January 23, 2011 at 12:18pmat least there are 2 of us that know now.
Report Post »Untameable-kate
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 10:44amCOWARDS. The very fact that this animal can kill unarmed hostages proves him to be nothing but a squeeling little coward. I sure wish we could get the peaceful people out of there and then turn the middle east in to a sheet of glass.
Report Post »snowleopard3200 {cat folk art}
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 11:06am@Kate
Agreed there, get the troops and the hostages out; and personally I would love to tie Osama to the tip of a nuclear device and then set it off to the moon, and then detonate it somewhere in the depths of space.
Report Post »snowleopard3200 {cat folk art}
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 1:02pm@Untamable
Kate, that everloving faker is back again for the last two postings following my original one to you. Please disregard that cretin, he/she/them are jostling everyones chains again.
Kate, just pass the mouse pointer over my name of Snowleopard3200 {cat folk art} and see if there is a link lining up underneath to my gallery; if not, then the faker is back.
Whoever is doing this STOP; the Blaze is not aided by your vicious impersonations of its followers. All you are doing is causing chaos, and must be an agent of Soros or a lunatic from the far left who seeks to destroy everything.
Just to know it is me:
http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 10:41amEven Al-Qaeda recognizes excessive debt weakens a nation. Why can’t our government?
Untameable-kate
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 10:52amOur gov won’t recognize it because it is an inconvenient truth.
Report Post »The Obamas won the lottery when BO won the presidency, they have no intention of cutting spending or toning down their extravagant lifestyle on the paxpayer dime.
Pragmatica
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 11:10amWe were too busy racking up debt fighting the Iraq War!!!
Report Post »Disabledvet
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 11:21amWe are not in debt, the government has a lot more paper to make more money. kind of like how can I be out of money I still have checks.
Make the community organizer a one term president.
Report Post »Pragmatica
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 11:26amAgreed but we need to be much smarter and “leaner” in our foreign policy! The military industrial complex is the right-wing’s version of welfare!
Report Post »Pragmatica
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 11:29amWe do need entitlement reform pronto as well! The problem there is that those programs you listed are immensely popular across the board, even with many right-wing leaning people! Conservatives like their parents and grand-parents to have medical access and subsidized medicine!
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 11:38amPragmatica, they’re not popular with me. If you don‘t believe they’re about redistribution of wealth, try opting-out and choose to take care of yourself instead. That’s what I would like to do, but I can’t, and that’s wrong.
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 11:41amSorry, posted to the wrong reply:
Pragmatica, I agree when you say “we need to be much smarter and “leaner” in our foreign policy!”, but I’m not getting “The military industrial complex is the right-wing’s version of welfare!”.
Report Post »Pragmatica
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 11:57amAll I meant was that right-wing politicians keep the “bread buttered” for military interests through massive spending in foreign affairs. Approving unnecessary equipment and planes for the Pentagon, opening and maintaining bases in too many Congressional districts, providing a large chuck of Halliburton’s revenues through military outsourcing. The military industrial complex is the “big governmnet” side of conservatism… the 1,000 pound gorilla in the room was the lack of “fiscal responsibility” in the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars!
Report Post »exdem
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 1:24pmHas Bin Laden or Al queda ever threatened or mocked China? Just asking?
Report Post »Non-sequitur
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 2:20pm“Has Bin Laden or Al queda ever threatened or mocked China? Just asking?”
Since China isn’t exactly active in the middle east and not supporting Israel, I’d say “No, why would he?”
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 4:11pmNon-Sequitur…….China is most definitely very very active in the Middle East. But Bin Laden is a thorn in our side and China knows this and supports him covertly where they can. Between China and Russia they are enabling Iran (and therefore terrorists) to essentially stay operational as well as blocking many UN measures with security council veto measures. Also to PRAGMATIC…..Obama is proposing the single largest defense budget of any American president (check it out) it is a fact and it dwarfs Bush’s proposal. He isn’t exactly right wing last time I checked. That’s exactly what the “behind the curtain” powers want you to believe, but Obama has continued every Bush policy they (the real powers behind our government) care about including military spending !!!! Watch the other hand dude. The real power brokers of this and other countries use right and left “issues” to keep us divided and distracted. How do you think we continue to move toward an authoritarian state even though we supposedly go from conservative to liberal politicians. Think about the policies Bush and Obama have in common …bailouts, big spending, military campaigns in holding pattern (not to win), patriot act for domestic spying, executive orders (bypassing congress, unconstitutional) through the roof. And on and on. Very very similar….just think outside the box and realize how the masses (many of us) are being manipulated. These people are not stupid and they have power and money we could not even understand. See how the CFR, Soros, Tri-lateral commission, Bilderbergs are shaping the world. For years people mocked this and now these “organizations” have gone public with their goals and claiming responsibility for organizing the EU. Read it for yourself the quotes and documents are out there. Their sites are now on the new North American Union. Through the federal reserve they are able to create engineered bubbles that will bring countries to their knees. The fed is their non-military weapon of choice to weaken currencies and then lend more and more. That weakens our currency and paves the way for a new North American Union currency like the Euro to combat the “turbulant” financial woes. Sorry for the soap box but so many people just don’t get how things work in this world.
Report Post »exdem
Posted on January 22, 2011 at 10:01am@watchtheotherhand
Report Post »Thank you for the info.
I was curious because we deal with China and Bin Laden hates us so much
TEIN
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 10:39amWell Bin, Afghanistan is not your country!!! The Afghanistan people do not like you. You are man without a country that sows discourse and misery where ever you go…maybe that is why you are called a “terrorist” instead of a person defending their country!!!
Report Post »GONESURFING
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 11:26amThe only good terrorist is a dead terrorists.
Report Post »Cobra Blue
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 11:27amAll the dictators have been mocking us in secret ever since the election. Now they are making it public. The liberal progressives are sad comedy for thr rest of the world. Unfortunately!
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 11:40amPragmatica, I agree when you say “we need to be much smarter and “leaner” in our foreign policy!”, but I’m not getting “The military industrial complex is the right-wing’s version of welfare!”.
Report Post »Curator_JDR
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 12:53pmThe Nazis and the Jihadis were allies during WW II. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem encouraged Hitler to go after the Hungarian Jews in 1944 and was part of the Wansee conference when the Nazis designed the extermination camps.
Bin Laden sounds just like a Progressive. A champion liar and dissimulator Some Americans fall for his arguments because they have been brainwashed and dumbed down. Walter Lipmann and Edward Bernays may have been propagandists for the Progressives, but the Progs merged with the Dadas in 1918 to take down America.
This web movie explains what you don’t know. watch part 2 first and your eyes will open.
http://www.marcrubin.com/dada2.ivnu
Report Post »Satyr
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 1:36pmBin Laden has been dead since the end of 2001 when an unmarked grave was found. This has been proven by audio specialists as well there have been several appearance variances, including his bear being dyed and so on…As well an ex-CIA leak reported to have been quoted as saying he was.
What does this mean, it means that the government is keeping him alive to scare you into submission or to do as the Glenn suggests, the government is herding you into a pen.
Seriously read before you say something foolish…even Muslims do not believe that the current Laden is the true one he is much to traditional for the words he is currently losing, his attire, as well they are right when they suggest his features and skin tone do not look right.
Report Post »chazman
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 2:06pmIf you are still alive, which I do not think you are, but if you are, then I would wish the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits!
Report Post »mikelivi
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 2:41pmTypical muslim, just wants death and destruction. There are NO good muslims. Mohamed was a rapist and murderer. Come and get me you merderous pig muslim bastards. MOHAMED IS A RAPIST AND MURDERER. Thats your prophet?????? Hahahahahah, idiots!!!
tower7femacamp
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 3:22pmBull crap alert ! Bin Laden has been dead for years.
Report Post »maybe this is some inventing that Obama said we need.
toxic_freedom
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 4:33pm@Pragmatica
Report Post »No offence dude but that comment seemed not all that thought out. Right-winged welfare? Last I checked I work for what little money I make. Last I heard people were not getting killed or dying for their country for a welfare check. Yes there are problems with the political/military-complex but the way I see it the bigger issues lay with privatized military. Politicians handing contracting lobbiest jobs because there hands do not stretch as far as they want to reach. Yes military has benefits that some do not but I think the risk our boys/and gals are taking is more than enough to deserve what little we are actually given. I apologize for my comments but I do believe you need to re-evaluate your idea of welfare. any man woman or child that puts their life on the line so you can have the freedom to make crap comments like that deserves much better from the people they are protecting.
nptden
Posted on January 23, 2011 at 1:06amTime for a CRUSADE. They have JIHAD…let’s see who wins. Muslims understand Crusade, it beat their butts before…They are into beheading, let us show them the same respect.. Osama likes to use historical references. He doesn’t have the balls of Saladin, he hides like a coward, and let’s little boys blow themselves up for his cause.
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