Bipartisan Debt Debate Diss: Be Adult, Not A Game, Insanity, Suicidal, Catastrophic to Not Raise Debt Ceiling
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WASHINGTON (The Blaze/AP) — Some Republican lawmakers said Sunday they opposed raising the ceiling on the nation’s debt without tackling government spending, and President Barack Obama’s top economic adviser warned against “playing chicken” on the issue and said preventing further debt would be “insanity.”
The federal debt is limited to $14.3 trillion, but the debt now stands at nearly $13.9 trillion and is growing daily. Congress last raised the debt ceiling in February 2010 and is expected to consider raising it again as early as March. A failure to raise the ceiling would prevent Congress from borrowing money to pay the country’s obligations.
To some conservatives, refusing to raise the limit on the federal debt could be an effective tactic to force lawmakers into cutting spending and facing such contentious issues as the rising costs of Social Security, Medicare and other entitlement programs.
Austan Goolsbee, the chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers, said that refusing to raise the debt ceiling would essentially push the country into defaulting on its financial obligations for the first time in its history.
“The impact on the economy would be catastrophic,“ Goolsbee told ”This Week” on ABC. “That would be a worse financial economic crisis than anything we saw in 2008.”
“I don‘t see why anybody’s talking about playing chicken with the debt ceiling,” he added. “If we get to the point where you’ve damaged the full faith and credit of the United States, that would be the first default in history caused purely by insanity.”
He even went as far as to say that “it pains me that we would even be talking about this.”
While saying that defaulting would be “very bad” for the U.S. position in the world, Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said he would not vote for raising the limit on the federal debt unless there were a plan in place for dealing with long-term obligations, including Social Security, and for returning to 2008 spending levels.
“This is an opportunity to make sure the government is changing its spending ways,” Graham said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”
Democratic Reps. Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Florida and Anthony Weiner of New York want to see how the new Republican majority in the House will handle the issue.
“The Republicans have come in saying that they‘re going to not raise the debt ceiling and they’re going to allow the full faith and credit of the American people to go down the tubes,“ Weiner said on ”Face the Nation” on CBS. “It’s their ship to run now. That’s the responsibility.”
Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., appearing with the Democrats, asked people to sign an online petition to urge their representatives not to increase the debt limit.
“It’s not good for anyone to shut the government down,” she said. “That‘s why I think it’s important for the Democrats who are so willing to spend money to now be a part of trying to figure out how we can be responsible.”
Rep.-elect Mike Kelly, R-Pa., a car dealer elected to the House in November, spoke against the idea of the government spending money it doesn’t have.
“Raising the debt ceiling, to me, is absolutely irresponsible,” Kelly said.
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Laus Deo
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 9:49pmI sincerely hate these bastards who claim to represent us. I trust none.
Report Post »cykonas
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 9:45pmThe argument tendered by Goolsby (sp?) is one of the most disingenuous that I’ve heard. The Congress, both Parties, by their constant overspending on everything in the budget put themselves in this position year after year after year. It’s no different than if you reach the limit on your credit card. You stop spending and pay it down, or you ask the bank to raise the limit. They are asking to raise the limit instead of paying it down. The bank would probably let you do it once or twice over a reasonable period of time, but once or twice a year? For years on end? I doubt it. When the debt limit was conceived and put in place it was supposed to be a check on overspending, not a flexible limit that could be changed on a whim. And what rocket scientist ever decided the Congress got to raise the limit on their own overspending? Or giving themselves a personal raise?
Now of course both Parties are using their new, favorite word; CRISIS. Everything is a crisis. The media will play continual clips of one side sniping at the other side to prove it’s a crisis. By gosh, if it isn‘t a crisis now we’ll make it a crisis. I know I don‘t get a vote on this but as far as I’m concerned no limit increase; pay it down or start closing parts of the bureaucracy down before you have any more available to spend. If it ruins our credit, tough! You should have thought about that BEFORE you overspent, not cry about it now. There is your adult moment Mr. Boehner; you figure out what your going to do Mr. Leader. Maybe Mrs. Pelosi can help you if find your personal adulthood lacking. If you need a list of what departments/agencies of the government to shut down here is a suggested start:
Department of Education
Department of Commerce
Department of Agriculture
General Services Administration
Department of Labor
Health and Human Services
Environmental Protection Agency
Federal Communications Commission
In addition cut all congressional staffs to two aides per member. One to answer the phone the other to make the herbal tea. If these cut prove insufficient to allow you to continue for a while, I’ll be glad to suggest others.
Report Post »davuf
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 10:02pmDude. GSA should not go away. GSA manages the vehicle fleets for a the Army among other tasks and does a good job. Cut down the budget if need be but it does a nessisary task in line with the consitution’s mandate for government. Refine the nonconstitutional aspects of the agency where they occur, but I believe this is a generally good organization.
Report Post »davuf
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 10:07pmAlso, let’s be honest. The EPA did a generally good job back in the 80′s. Air quality is better today than at earlier times in our history. Reign in the organization but don’t disband it.
Report Post »tankerBigRed1
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 10:08pmLike your list–dep of ag has very littlr to do w/ ag since 85% or so go to other than farmers-I for one can survive w/o their help..
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 10:22pmdavuf,
They ALL go! If states need to regulate industry then so be it, though most people will choose to work and live in relaxed states. It is time to wave bye-bye to all the BS. SS and Medicare are the biggest ones, wipe them out and all problems are magically fixed. Unfortunately, we cannot do that until we figure out a way around the holes this would create. Like getting a handle on health care COSTS. Forget insurance, that is not the problem. The COST is the problem. SS can be stepped down while still covering those who absolutely need it. There are ways, but they will not win the politicians any popularity contests. Still…More and more of us are starting to understand what needs to be done here.
Report Post »GOTT-EM-MAUSER
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 10:51pmThe ONLY way that healthcare costs will EVER be contained and lowered, is WHEN we go back to NO THIRD PARTY PAYERS. When people paid their own medical costs, directly to the Doctors and Hospitals you could still afford to get sick and pay for it. When a single back X-ray is billed at the hospital for $975.00, and all they can say is, “well your insurance will pay most of it” the reality comes shining through.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 11:23pmA 2 day stay in a hospital and a few tests cost as much as a friggin’ car! Who the hell can afford that? THAT is the problem! There is no reason why a single pill can cost up to $50 or more! THAT is the problem.
I give credit where it is due and you are right about this Mauser. I do not mind taking a chance in life and getting hit for 10-15K for a medical emergency. I can handle that. I will have to make payments, but I would do the honorable thing and pay it off. But when we start talking hundreds of thousands? Forget it, I have to declare bankruptcy just to get out from under it, I have no hope in hell of paying that off! Not on top of the rest of life.
Get the costs under control and the insurance will fall back in line because most people will acept a higher deductible knowing they can afford most of life’s bumps and bruises themselves. Things like broken legs, tonsil/appendicitis, even child birth. Insurance should only be for those things like heart operations, cancer treatments, major surgeries…
Report Post »cykonas
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 7:03amDave,
If it ain‘t in the Constitution it’s out in my book. Period. The military can handle their own vehicle purchases. I’m well aware of the function of the GSA. A very close relative of mine was the IG of that administration a few years ago. It’s is a cesspool of payola and waste. Probably one the THE most wasteful of the fiefdoms.
I don‘t care what the EPA did or didn’t do in the 80′s. Each state can care for their own environment. It’s not the Federal governments job. I would much rather run the risk that my kids and grandkids will grow up never seeing some certain kind of toad or snail than they grow up in country that barely resembles the one that they were promised. It‘s never made any profound difference in my life that I haven’t seen a real live T-Rex. Maybe you feel differently.
The acceptance by the American people of the “sacred cow” programs at the Federal level simply enables these jerks to propogate the misery they inflict on us. Shut ‘em all down. The first problem with the sacred cow mentality is maybe you think GSA and EPA should stay. Maybe I think D of E and D of A should stay. The next person thinks …..should stay, and it never ends. The next problem speaks to your observation on the EPA. A lot of time these fiefdoms do start out being decent ideas. But then, due to the system mostly, they grow and grow and grow until they are ridiculous. Then the real fun begins. They start looking for stuff to do. Again using the EPA, instead of insuring clean air and water, which are good ideas, they are saving snails and building tunnels for turtles. We could cut them back as you suggest, but in 5 or 10 years we are right back in the soup. If you’ve ever trimmed Kudzu just imagine that regrowth rate, but on steroids. That’s what we have now. Let the Constitution be the guide not what any one person or group thinks it ought to be. Domestic defense, print and coin monies, patent and copyrights, and maybe a very few other limited things. That’s it. These folks are addicts. Their heroin is our money. Cold turkey is the cure.
Report Post »cykonas
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 7:29am@ Trainer $ Mauser
Report Post »It’s even scarier when you consider that other than Medicare and Medicaid, the health care costs of the new “Obamacare” legislation are not even included in the spending overruns this article is talking about. The Congress/CBO jury rigged those numbers so that the revenues start now but the costs don’t (on paper) until 2013 (or 2014 not sure which). Nice trick, huh?
Deda1
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 9:41pmWeiner is an idiot, everything is a joke to this clown. Debt Ceiling. I have one. How about coming up with some serious cuts to the our budget and then you wouldn’t have to worry about the debt ceiling.
Report Post »Bentw57
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 9:34pmRush is now 99.8% right……. Americans need to invest in commodities…. Guns and Gold…and grow a garden
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 9:41pmKeep liquid and look for the escape hatch. Where are you going to go when it goes to hell here?
If I cashed it all in now I could probably live like a king in some third world South American country…
Report Post »oldguy48
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 9:27pmIt really doesn’t matter. The debt is already impossible to sustain, and there is no way out. Everybody knows that the politicians are not about to do the extensive surgery that would actually be meaningful. The country has a bad cancer, a bandaid will not fix it. If you really think these people can/will do what is necessary, you might as well hope Tinkerbell can spread some pixi dust to fix the problem. Your hope, and her dust, will achieve exactly the same result.
Report Post »Green is a Lie
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 9:27pmDenied! Force the Govt. to cut from other wasteful spending to service the debt. If you continue to agree to raising the debt ceiling, you agree to all of the wasteful spending that creates the need for such an increase. This should be the perfect storm for the new tea party freshman to put their foot down to the RINOS. Let the RINOS know that we are going to run Gov.t like a business; a non-union shop! Most of the politicians in DC could not operate a lemonade stand for a profit.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 9:26pmYou know what makes me sad? YOU DO JOHN BOEHNER!
Crybaby…
Report Post »cranes
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 9:19pmDon’t raise it. Let the chips fall where they may! I don’t believe anything they say. If we don‘t have it we can’t spend it. I can’t spend more than I have.
Report Post »Plankchapel
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 11:21pmCranes, that’s the reason you are an ADULT. You are a responsible adult; MoC are irresponsible. They think it’s our responsibility to pay for their childish spending sprees.
They think that they can take our money so that they can provide for those who have grown dependent upon the government. In reality, the government is dependent upon the taxpayer to provide for their whims.
Report Post »wampanoag
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 9:16pmNOT RAISING THE DEBT CEILING DOES NOT MEAN THE GOVERNMENT IS IN DEFAULT. It just means that the federal government is going to have to pay back its debt from funds that are now proposed for other programs-such as farm subsidies, defense, medicare etc etc. 5% reduction in spending of EVERY department of the federal government will easily pay all outstanding current debt obligation.
IT IS TIME TO PUT A STOP TO RUN AWAY GOVERNMENT SPENDING BY CORRUPT POLITICIANS!! NOW!!!
Report Post »american1st
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 9:27pmthis is exactly the part i don’t get?? not raising the ceiling means a limit to the amount of debt we can incur, not a cessation of payments on the debt that already exist… ARE THEY SAYING IN ORDER TO PAY OUR DEBT, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A LARGER DEBT ???? i wouldn’t let any of them balance my check book…
Report Post »Plankchapel
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 9:13pm(4) – debt, not debit. Typo.
Report Post »patriotmcgee
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 9:11pmLet‘s start with cutting all of the Federal programs that aren’t under the constitutional authority of Congress. We could very easily not go into debt any further. Yes, it will hurt the economy, jobless rates, etc., but it would be better in the long run for the country. The country would have to learn to be *gasp* less dependent on the government.
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 9:16pmLet’s start by ending the 2 wars now.
Report Post »HumbleCitizen
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 9:34pmThe country could do alot more to bring industry back to America. For far too long our jobs have hemmoraged out of this country but the “powers that be” refuse to give industry a break. All Americans want is to be employed in a decent job, can eat and not starve, buy nice things for their children and family and have a bit of leisure time to enjoy life. Repeal the rules that strangle our prosperity!
Report Post »dontbotherme
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 8:28pmPatriotmcgee – I think our country has to come very close to having to start over. You are correct. It’s going to hurt, but in the long run it will help restore our country. Time & common sense heals.
Report Post »neverending
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 9:10pmHow come you are so worried about the debt ceiling??? Why didn’t they think of it before they spent trillions!!! Saddest part of all is there is really nothing to show for it – all it did was delayed the inevitable.
Report Post »Plankchapel
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 9:07pmRaise the debt ceiling? CUT SPENDING!
(1) Cut discretionary spending;
(2) Reduce the size of the federal government;
(3) Fire the czars;
(4) Apply ALL unspent Stimulus I money to the debit;
(5) Gound Air Force One for a year;
(6) Tell Michelle to stay in the United States;
(7) Defund Planned Parenthood;
(8) Defund NPR;
(9) Eliminate the joke called the Department of Energy; and
(10) Defund or repeal Healthcare.
Now, that’s what I call “ADULT!”
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 9:15pmElect Ron Paul !
Report Post »GdavidH
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 10:48pmEliminate the dept. of Edumacation.
Report Post »Federally it’s redundant.
Plankchapel
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 11:12pmRon Paul would have my vote if he runs.
Report Post »ozz
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 6:18am/second that!! Elect Ron Paul!!
Report Post »dontbotherme
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 8:21pmPlankchapel – good start.
Report Post »right-wing-waco
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 9:07pmDoes the USA still have any “faith & credit”? This is crazy. STOP THE SPENDING AND CUT THE SIZE OF GOVERNMENT… NOW!
Report Post »critterbait
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 9:04pmBeer Income,,Champaign Taste,,, watch the heads explode when reality sets in….
Report Post »APatriotFirst
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 8:59pmObama and re-election…..it can happen. Here is how.
Report Post »First, lots of lies in 2011 about things getting better.
Unemployment drops, truth or lie?
Wars going our way. Truth or lie?
Obama takes less vacations. Just added this one because it makes him look better, and hard at work.
Less spending.
AND… the big one, the House NOT doing all it can to make a difference.
It can and probably will happen.
trolltrainer
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 8:57pmIt is not a game? What do you think continually raising the debt ceiling is? It is a joke. We need to NOT raise it! We need to call an emergency session and cut EVERYTHING! Do it now! Billions here, billions there…Each cut might not seem like much but…We need to reign it in and get a handle on it then we need to figure out SS, Medicare, and the health care plan. We need to get the federal government out of all our business. Give power back to the states. Lower taxes and relax regulations and let America get back to work.
I am sick of the games from both sides. The solution is very easy but it is going to hurt like hell. No more spending. period.
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 9:14pmTROLLTRAINER you are sounding more like a troll everyday
Report Post »Welcome Brother.
dontbotherme
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 8:19pmTrolltrainer – I agree with you.
Report Post »thegr8restoration
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 8:56pmWe are not idiots! Yes we must raise the debt ceiling but we MUST drasticly cut spending and pay the debt down!
Report Post »BoilitDown
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 2:57am@thegr8restoration
Report Post »It seems like you are the first one to comment here that understands the argument the way I do.
The “debt ceiling” is more or less an arbitrary number used in “Beltway Economics” to target a point at which we call ourselves defaulted, as I see it. It‘s kind of a bench mark to indicate that we’ve borrowed too much. Go ahead and raise it, just work toward not borrowing anymore!
The far more important thing for our real survival is to reduce spending and debt.
Right now the “debt ceiling” is a political weapon they’re using to whack one another.
DarKangelAZRAEL
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 11:10amYou are both right in my opinion as well. We must raise the debt ceiling, albeit maybe not as much as they would like, and cut spending at the same time. We can make this manageable at least even if it is not painless. There will be pressure but we can all make it through this and be better for it if we can quit being whiners and freeloaders long enough for prosperity to be an attainable goal again. IT CAN BE DONE!!! Don‘t listen to those that say it simply can’t be done and that collapse is imminent. WE CAN DO THIS ALL TOGETHER!
Report Post »jedi.kep
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 8:54pmHere’s the option I never hear.
QUIT SPENDING SO MUCH!!!
Debt ceiling problem solved.
Report Post »TheBMT
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 9:08pmshhh shhh shhh, no common sense here.
They have been saying the SAME argument for decades. They don’t care.
I think voting no would be a slap in the face of a federal govt that wants to keep spending.
Report Post »TRUTHSEEKINGAL
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 7:50amHow about starting cuts by radical cuts to former legislators “golden parachutes” end all healthcare benefits and pensions til death. Most , if not all of these bureaucratic burglars IMHO, who often hold law degrees,are spouses to individuals in big gov’t backed (scam) oops I mean private businesses. They CAN afford to buy their own benefits. I am on of (I believe) a growing number of americans who acknowledge that the only way to truly change who goes to WA. the perks MUST be SEVERELY walked back. After that (dream on ,right?) next kill EPA,FCC, Dept of ED( return it to the states,),IRS by way of FLATand/or FAIR TAX..
Report Post »TTRR
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 8:53pmThis would be a great start…What better way to hold their feet to the fire and deal with uncontrolled spending than to have ramifications if they don’t?
Report Post »walkwithme1966
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 9:02pmI don’t think you understand the ramifications – our country could very well fall if they do not raise the debt ceiling. If they play around and vote no on raising the debt ceiling we are basically bankrupted, They are talking about the new TeaParty house members. http://maboulette.wordpress.com
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 9:31pmwalkwithme, we are basically bankrupted NOW! It is time to face reality. Any further and we will not be able to get out of it, we WILL go down. It is simply a matter of WHEN China decides to quit backing our debt. That will happen when the dollar is no longer the world standard. That is happening now. Get your head out of the progressive sand and look at what is happening under your nose! It is unsustainable and needs to stop. NOW!
Report Post »davuf
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 9:53pmWe still have means of producing wealth. We are heavily indebted now, not bankrupt. The Tea Party representatives SHOULD play chicken with this to get the spending cuts they require. The progressives will blink in this case. However, if we do default we may hand the country right back into the hands of the democrats and progressives like after WWII.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 9:58pmI say lower the debit ceiling……..printing more money will solve nothing.
Report Post »Amateur Hour in the white house has to end along with spend and print
unless you want to pay $5 of a loaf of bread and wait in gas lines
RINO Bonener needs to go…….this guy sucks. Starting with giving away the store during the lame duck session
trolltrainer
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 10:10pmDavuf,
It is a matter of semantics. If China dropped us today then guess what? We are bankrupt. We exist at their whim, the only thing keeping us alive is the damage our collapse would do to them.
Report Post »GOTT-EM-MAUSER
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 10:34pmWALK,
WE are now at the point of no return in this country economically. IF the debt ceiling is raised, then the Money Jews at the Federal Reserve will just print more phony money to send out into the economy. The value of every dollar will fall (It is now worth just 4 cents) Inflation and Interest rates will skyrocket and nothing gets any better economy wise, in fact it gets dramatically worse (I lived through the Carter years) We have run out of WEALTH to take from those that produce it and redistribute it to Government Drones and Welfare/Entitlement programs. These programs will eventually fail, simply because the money they pay for a month won’t buy a loaf of bread. When that happens, we all know what comes next.
IF we were to actually CUT any meaningful amount out of the above referenced areas, it would only serve to “Speed Up” the what comes next part of the program. Try reducing or cutting off just Welfare Checks and see what happens. The Government sector of the economy is so large now that again, meaningful cuts will cause another major drop in business activity, jobs etc.
There simply is no way to “FIX” the mess we have gotten into, not without lots of people getting slammed hard. This country now owes more than it can ever repay, we can’t even handle the interest on it anymore, much less borrow and spend more, that doesn’t actually exist.
When an individual or a business gets to the point we have reached, they have to declare “BANKRUPTCY” and the Court allows them to “REPUDIATE” (Pay Nothing) most if not all their debts, and stop paying their current creditors until they recover suffciently to do so.
Do you have an 8X12 glossy photo of what will happen when the United States Government has to “REPUDIATE” what it owes China, Saudi Arabia, etal for all the worthless T-Bills they are holding? When ALL FEDERAL RETIREES get a “So Sorry” note in the mail, along with Social Security recipients, Welfare folks, Medicare, Medicade and on and on.
Now I know that you are a well meaning socialist that truly believes there is a Pot of Gold at the end of Some Rainbow that can take care of all this. But “It Ain’t So”. However, don’t let it worry you unduly, the same folks are running the Government today (All Socialists) as were before the Election. NONE of them are going to commit Political Suicide by making any painful (Meaningful) cuts in anything. We will go back to business as usual, albeit with lots of meaningless rhetoric to go around, and the country/economy will hobble along until it collapses with a thud. A THUD that will definitely be “Heard Round the World”.
Report Post »sbleve
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 9:45amBoehner and McConnell?? Their word?
If you walk the walk, sir, then the Debt Ceiling level is a band aid to an arterial bleed. WE ARE BROKE. Raising the debt ceiling is a facade of red-kool aid. Here, drink this, it fixes all problems.
The problem is in Spending. There is not enough taxable income to pay our self-created DEBT.
Report Post »drattastic
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 8:53pmNo what’s suicidal is you flipping progressives and rinos spending us into the stone age!
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 1:03amJust cutting everything that only progressives and Rinos want still won’t make much of a dent in the debt. Conservatives know they can’t get elected without hawks who will go nuts if you cut any military spending – even programs the Pentagon doesn’t want, and old people who will vote against anyone who touches Social Security and Medicare. Right there you’ve got about sixty percent of the budget that nobody will have the guts to mess with.
Report Post »bbquizzle
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 8:52pmThe sand has a line in it.
Report Post »Eyore
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 9:42pmAnd the republicans have crossed it and are standing shoulder to shoulder with the Democrats
Report Post »Miser
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 10:47pmWe no longer have real Democrats, Republicans, or Independents for that matter. The names are smoke screens and no longer relevant. The names are used by the politicians to hide their real agendas that they know are distasteful to voters.
Report Post »sbleve
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 9:24amOur National Party’s operationally have a single difference. The big D is the most experienced offensive player. The medium big R is mostly based on defense – reactive wait and see what ‘they’ do. The Independents – are simpletons – adverb (circle-jerkers). All have the same goal. Central “I am King” governance. Defining small vs large Government bureaucracies by the outgoing as compared to the incoming House and Senate leaders will show that neither hear the people screaming.
Boehner and McConnell both old-time right side politics. Neither hear the cry from the forest. Both also have a chameleon wardrobe. Both participated in hand delivering the Nation Pelosi-Reid and the 44th President. And now they have power that they only dreamed of in 2006. Both in their bare skin are Progressive in spiritual reverence.
An alcoholic (addict) must individually decide to reform. Collective AA meeting is a crutch – needed at times of challenge overload or to share ones misery.
Report Post »sbleve
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 9:38amA past president said ‘the New World Order’ when the primary adversary collapsed. The meaning Progressive in vision. Fortunately he chose to change horses in the middle of the stream – cluster etc. But only delayed the opportunity for the next generation warrior.
There has been no difference D-R-I that is readily measurable in the past 100 years.
Report Post »bbquizzle
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 11:36amThe debt limit is irrelevant. The movement, however slight, in the direction of common sense, is big. Remember the concept of inertia; an object moving at velocity takes a lot of energy to even shift trajectory slightly. To turn it around requires massive investment of time and work.
Report Post »TTRR
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Report Post »GdavidH
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 10:43pm+your coments
Report Post »mike_restin
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 8:05amDon’t forget my comments
Report Post »lylee
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 10:56amThe ease are the best comments ever!
Report Post »spreadcommonsensenot pc
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 8:51pmtake advantage of “every” crisis————–progressive Boehner join the frey
Report Post »Eyore
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 9:41pmI hope people do start to see that both parties are pushing the Progressive Agenda
Report Post »click4cheapandeasyweb
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 10:29pmEyore..
You are keeping your eye on the wrong scorecard. Right now we need to watch and see who is pushing the Conservative Agenda! We need to identify and support them with everything we have and let the country know that we are serious about what we did in November. Only patriots get our support from now on, no exceptions!
Report Post »Miser
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 10:37pmBoehner almost had me sucked in. Now he‘s showing he’s just like the rest of the beltway boobs!
Report Post »Plankchapel
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 11:10pmWe need to let Speaker Boehner that WE don’t want the debt ceiling raised. WE THE PEOPLE are demanding that spending be cut. His number is in my phone:
1-202-225-6205
My senators and representative are in my phone, too.
Report Post »TruthLover
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 8:51pmI admit I don’t understand this – but it sure sounds to me like they said “it’s symbolic, but if we break this symbolic, not-real thing, then we’ll all die.” Or something like that. And it sounds like RINO Boehner agrees with them. What am I missing?
Report Post »Curator_JDR
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 8:55pmI watched the clip until Weiner spoke. The debt ceiling is symbolic, taking back responsibility isn’t. Two different issues.Watch this new animated feature that exposes the insanity of the Progressives. with big time humor. http://www.marcrubin.com/hairmerica.ivnu Its gets the point across.
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 8:59pmBUY SILVER now !!!!!
Sledgehammer
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 9:10pmI can sum it up for you! The debt has intrest on it, what needs to be done is to shut down all agencies and departments, that are copies of services provided for by the states, this is close to 40% of the federal government. the money not spent on these services, would not go back to the people but to service the debt (pay it down). In this way we would re-establish faith in our selves and the rest of the world would see we mean buisness! What the pencil neck from N.Y. is talking about, I don’t know?
Report Post »as for the other guy (gooles) don’t let him balance your check book!
828 Patriot
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 9:29pmDon’t buy silver, buy bullets! And lots of booze as well. Those will be the new currency under the NWO.
Report Post »Eyore
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 9:40pmNothing
Report Post »They just couldn’t spend anymore money
They would just pay bondholders first and not send out welfare checks
The world would not end
joseph Fawcett
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 9:43pmI am not all that smart. HOwever I live without going into debt that I can’t pay off. Raising the debt is just like saying that you are not going to pay it off or can’t pay it off. How about lowering it by 10% each year until we have a balance bubget and can pay off what we owe within the year and not carry debt form year to year. I grew up when being in debt was a shame and everyone looked down on you for being in debt. I say cut up the credit card and work of paying for every thing as we go and paying down the debt until we are out of debt. HOw great it would be and our standing in the world community if we owed them nothing and paid our debts in a timely manner? Yep it will be tough but you know what the end result will be worth it. Oh, we would have a fraction of the goverment control that we would have now because they would have to take all our money in taxes to keep it half the level it is already.
http://www.josephfawcettart.com western artist
Report Post »right-wing-waco
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 9:45pmAnyone voting to raise the debt limit should receive hundreds of thousands of letters and I also think they should be under recall. Don’t let these people get away with status quo. This is exactly why we fired the previous people.
Report Post »13thGenerationAmerican
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 9:54pmso 9 Trillion of this debt was caused by the Republicans and now they want to pretend like they are going to save the country. Hmmm.
Well it’s a great excuse to tell older people that they are basically screwed. Way to go A-Holes
I am aware, the American people know the truth. Your Oil war cost us 9 trillion dollars.
Thanks a lot, America appreciates all you have done to destroy her.
trolltrainer
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 10:13pm13th, you are right.
It was the Republican’s fault. It was Bush’s fault.
Now, can we quit blaming everyone else and fix the problem? Obama‘s quadrupling down on Bush’s spending is not helping anything. They are ALL progressives and they ALL need to go! It is time to reign it in. No more handouts for you! Get out of your mom’s basement and get a job! No more Obama money!
Report Post »click4cheapandeasyweb
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 10:24pm13thGenerationAmerican,
It sounds as if you don’t care that we are Trillions in debt. Why is that?
Report Post »lylee
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 10:28pmDon’t raise the debt ceiling, just defund. You can start defunding by re-voting on the Eric Cantor you cut proposals. I personally do not think the Republicans have the guts to do that.
Report Post »13thGenerationAmerican
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 10:44pmHave any of you people ever read a charter or tried to understand?
National debt by U.S. presidential terms
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms
Do you hate being misinformed? Are you that blinded by bigotry and hatred that you refuse to read? If you are, you are in vain of your own country.
A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 10:55pmThe Progressive Republicans and Democrats spent us to the debt ceiling, and it was the Progressives that wanted to allow the Bush Tax Cuts to expire which would then make more people dependent on government spending (which is really just redistribution from the wealth of other tax-payers, thereby decreasing the productivity of the private sector).
We must either stop the Progressives from spending, or allow the US to default on our debt. IT WASN’T AMERICAN CONSTITUTIONALISTS THAT SCREWED US OVER, IT WAS THE PROGRESSIVES.
No, the Progressives need to stop playing chicken with the People’s wealth, freedom, and the Second Amendment.
Report Post »Mister President
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 11:18pmNot raising the debt ceiling will be an economic/financial catastrophe the world has never before witnessed.
Raising the debt ceiling will lock the world into an economic/financial catastrophe it has never before witnessed.
There are no easy answers anymore. There are two options: a somewhat controlled collapse or one that just happens and cannot be stopped or controlled. Make your choice. I don’t trust Obama and company to oversee a controlled collapse (I’d trust someone like Christie though), but I really, really, really don’t trust them to be at the helm during an uncontrolled collapse and the panic that will allow them to do, literally, anything. Damned if we do; damned if we don’t.
If we don’t raise it, we basically admit what most already realize. If we do raise it, we get to live in denial for a little bit longer until a Treasury auction goes bad an interest rates skyrocket.
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 11:21pmSubliminal messages repeated throughout this administration, desperation, do or die, suicide
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 11:47pmRepublicans want to pretend that things aren’t hopelessly out of control by not raising the debt ceiling so they can pretend that we aren’t going to borrow more money. Democrats want to pretend that things aren’t hopelessly out of control by raising the debt ceiling so they can pretend that we’re good for it and will pay it back someday. Everybody’s pretending that it actually matters so they can pretend that they’re being less irresponsible than the other side. There, doesn’t that make sense?
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 12:10amThe costs which raise our national debt are incurred by government spending, not by private sector free market Capitalism.
Stop the government spending. Do it now.
I want to see the Federal government shut down (Also the Federal Reserve, IRS, Social Security, Medicaid, Department of Education, and all Entitlement Programs) and stop the spending before we default on our debt – it’s not necessary if we stop the government from spending and get it back to the size the Constitution meant it to be; Then the private sector can become productive and pay back our debts.
Report Post »Benjamin Linus
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 1:03amNot raising the debt ceiling would mean we would have no choice but to slash spending so that we could pay for the interest on the national debt. Sounds like a pretty damn good way to get congress to do something real for a change. It is not a game of chicken when on side has had all it can stand. And we the people have had all the big government we can stand, progressive democrat and progressive republican alike.
Report Post »Benjamin Linus
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 1:19am@13THGENERATIONAMERICAN
I think it is time you joined the adult table where we have all come to realize that over the last hundred years both parties have been run by progressives and both parties stink on ice. For some time now the conversation has been lifted to this higher level of understanding. But you seem trapped at the kiddy table. Comment after comment from you points the finger at the progressive republicans but gives the progressive democrats a pass. I hold ALL the big government the progressives responsible. Do you?
Report Post »Psychosis
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 4:37am@ 13thgeneration………………..nice link, but it doesnt list the information needed to be accurate and honest
it doesnt matter who the president is, or his political party leanings
he doesnt control the purse
it is whoever is in majority in the house that controlls the money, and if you show that, with your link, you will find an amazing coincidence
every time the spending goes up, democrats control the house
every time the spending goes down, the republicans are the one who control the house
it doesnt matter who the president is, and if he is democrat or republican, unless the house is also the same party
consider obamas party leanings, with democratic majorities in both houses for two yrs, he has spent more money than all of the other presidents combined up to reagan
hows that for your spending democrats
Report Post »Polwatcher
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 5:45amThese con-men and con-women in Washington better show us that they know what they are doing.
Report Post »ozz
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 6:00am@13thGenerationAmerican Do you ever open your mouth and something other than a lie spew forth?
Report Post »Go back to the huffing paint post. Troll
JKN
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 7:35amBoth parties have been driving us over the cliff… One party (the Democrats) a little quicker than the other party (the Republicans)…
This two-party/one-party monopoly represents global corporations, unions and special interest groups for their own self-serving benefit while the best interests of the American people have been ignored for decades…
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 7:47amIt’s true! The insane have taken over the asylum!
Report Post »javablanca
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 7:59amTL: the thing is that since we went off the gold standard oh so long ago…our MONEY itself is symbolic…there is nothing backing it up other than peoples faith that it is worth something…it is basically a lie that we all agree to make true…it works just fine until one big institution, and the US govt is basically the cornerstone upon which the dollar (all the other currencies sit upon) rests, breaks the rules, and breaks people’s faith and trust that these llitle green slips of paper are worth more than scratchy toilet paper…
Report Post »NapoHill15
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 8:52amLet’s put it this way: At this point we don’t really know what any of the real numbers are . . . It’s all out of control; and from both sides. What we do know is that spending has grown far too great as a child’s mentality has been allowed to have excess to the treasure chest. But we’ve seen this all before: All things liberal, like with history, math mysteriously changes to mold and shape around a desired reality so that we can feel good. False history and feel good math, they’re the corner stone of deception that our liberal government builds itself upon so that it can keep writing new chapters and new mathematical explanations that make no simple sense but get more and more convoluted as the debt continues to get larger and larger and larger.
In regard to spending then, the US government of today is no different than a child having its parent’s credit card simply able to ignore the truth at month’s end when the statement comes due. There’s no reality of a spending limit because Daddy will simply pay it . . . It doesn’t matter what the reality of the numbers are; a parent’s job is to pay and a child’s is to spend.
Report Post »Jsh1284
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 11:00am13th, you conveniently forget (or neglect) to mention that in 2006 the Democrats took both the House and the Senate. The president did not control much as far as spending goes. It was the demogauges in Congress who spent a LOT of that cash. Also your own infallible WIKIPEDIA page (d’oh!) shows that Obama has increased spending over even BUSH!
The fact is Bush wasn’t a true conservative. He was just LIKE Obama. He was a progressive rep AKA RINO! Yes, the RINO got us into this mess (IN PART ONLY) however true CONSERVATIVES will get us OUT of the mess we’re in. Why do I say that? Because demogauges are completely unconcerned with our debt problem. They just want to tank us so we are no longer the world’s foremost superpower. SPREAD THE WEALTH!
Report Post »Sgt.Crust
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 11:05amTo all you braying donkeys out there, since 2006, the Dems have been in charge of the purse, and have spent us into oblivion. Go look at the real data, not from a wiki full of lies site. Then you will see BOTH parties are to blame, but so go ahead and point the finger at only the Reps, are three fingers pointing right back at ya! Also, BHO (The Obumbler) and his demo-corrupt congress, has spent four times what GWB spent, no go run off and play in your sandboxes, play your dirty little politics somewhere else.
Report Post »N37BU6
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 11:29am@13THGENERATIONAMERICAN:
You need to look closer at that chart… the last 2 categories in particular:
http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/3994/derptb.png
Report Post »N37BU6
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 11:33amYou can clearly see a pattern:
Wait until there’s a Republican in the White House, then spend like a maniac and blame it on them. If they complain, call them “racist” or “anti-education“ or ”anti-worker”.
Not that hard to figure out. But either way, both parties are pathetic.
Report Post »heyjim55
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 11:36amCutting the deficit is not insane, putting a ceiling on debt is also needed, it is what we all would do or are doing to keep what we have and to stay out of trouble. The Left wants to do the opposite why? The Left wants the country to collapse , they hate capitalism and the only way to kill it is to make it go bankrupt. Then there will be millions of needy people begging the Government for help, just what the Left wants. The Left also wants to establish a infrastructure of a Socialist system right now, and that is what the President is doing via executive order a shadow Government not vetted by Congress, we already have enough entitlement programs now to bring down the country if left unchallenged. That is why the Left argues to keep the debt growing they need a little more time and a few more programs to to kick in like Obama care to push the country over the cliff. This is their best chance to turn the US into a Socialist state so they have to keep their foot on the gas so to speak and continue to argue that more spending is needed. In the end if successful we will collapse, there will be civil unrest lead by radical instigators which will force a police state which has a infrastructure already in place. A green agenda will take hold which will produce nothing but famine , many will die which by the way is also what the Left wants because reducing over population is a big part of the green agenda. Yes these people are crazy, yes they are dangerous and yes their idea’s never work, the Communist’s had good intentions but history has shown us that Leftist good intentions always leads to a murderous result.
Report Post »Promotefreedom
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 11:40am@Mister President:
You said, “There are two options: a somewhat controlled collapse or one that just happens and cannot be stopped or controlled.”
I say we are CURRENTLY in the “somewhat controlled collapse” right now, with Helicopter Ben at the printing press.
I heard on a newsradio station this morning that it is the general consensus of most market analysts that the US stock market will rise moderately in 2011, unless some major event occurs. (No explanation of this “event” was even hinted at.)
OK. Since when do stock market forecasts include “unless some major event occurs” ?
Report Post »jorge_washington
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 11:49am“Anyone voting to raise the debt limit should receive hundreds of thousands of letters and I also think they should be under recall. Don’t let these people get away with status quo. This is exactly why we fired the previous people.”
The debt ceiling was raised 7 times under the Bush administration. No republican ever had anything to say about it. Not only that, but President Bush DID NOT inherit a failing economy including high unemployment, failing banks (government TARP loan), 2 wars and an entire US industry (autos) on the brink of collapse (government loans to GM & Chrysler). In addition, President Bush left the county with the largest national debt in the history of the US.
Questioning with BOLDNESS
Report Post »airbrnmtr
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 11:52am13thGenerationAmerican
Report Post »I went to your Wilipedia link and I noticed something strange. You keep blaming Bush for the debt, but you missed something odd. We have been at war since 2001, but with the big R’s in charge our debt was only increased by 7%. As soon as the Dems got in power it went up 20%. Stop blaming Bush for the debt. Congress controls the purse and the debt. Basicly all of the debt can be directed at the Dem in the House and Senate. Basicly go F&^K yourself
abc
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 4:46pmIf you don’t understand this, then go study what happened to Greece and Ireland when they defaulted on debt payments–spending was cut and taxes were raised and both significantly and during tough recessions. This would happen here as well if the US defaulted on its obligations. And Goolsbee is right that this would make the ‘08 crisis look tame by comparison since the US government has more credibility to defend than Goldman Sachs or Bear Stearns.
Here is what doesn’t make sense. How do conservatives think that they can hold the entire country hostage when there cannot be a credible threat. I mean, it’s like pointing the gun at themselves as well as their political enemies…they are not going to pull the trigger. So I think the Democrats will use the opportunity to look like they are serious about proposing and entertaining spending cutting alternatives and then ignore the threat completely. It is too draconian to be credible, like threatening to nuke the neighborhood literally because the neighbor’s kids play their stereo too loudly. Newt Gingrich already showed us what happens to the GOP when they play this game, and it wasn’t pretty for them. Now, with much higher debt levels and a far weaker economy, this kind of game is 10 times more dangerous for the Republicans. If I were in the Dem’s leadership, I’d call their bluff and watch them all cave.
Report Post »Doctor of Truth
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 7:49pmBuy silver bullets. These guys are all werewolves and vampires.
Report Post »Al Otto
Posted on January 4, 2011 at 12:28pmAltogether now WE WANT PAY CUTS. 40% pay cuts for all Fed employees includung the Congress
Report Post »gut the failed department of energy
gut the failed department of education
gut all czars pay