Blaze Exclusive: Joel Osteen Tackles Sin, His Rise to Fame, Being ‘Saved’ & What it Takes to Get Into Heaven
- Posted on July 26, 2012 at 10:23am by
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Televangelist and author Joel Osteen has millions of adoring fans. The popular preacher, who is known the world over for his inspirational messages, best-selling books and charismatic demeanor, is widely revered as one of America’s most popular faith leaders. His house of worship, Lakewood Church located in Houston, Texas, attracts more than 40,000 congregants each week, making it the largest church in America.
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Last Sunday, TheBlaze visited Lakewood to speak with Osteen about his career path, stereotypes surrounding televangelists and the rewards and challenges he so regularly faces. Among the most intriguing discussion points was Osteen’s rise to fame — a story that may not be known by many.
OSTEEN’S PATH TO PROMINENCE
Osteen’s father, John, founded Lakewood in 1959 and substantially built up the church over the following decades. Unexpectedly, the elder Osteen passed away in 1999, leaving a vacuum and an obvious need for a preacher to fill the void.
Up until that point, Joel had been working in media and production for his father, helping him produce a show and traveling with him regularly. Until John’s death, the pastor’s son assumed working in this behind-the-scenes capacity would be his life’s path; considering that he enjoyed the production role, it seemed like a good fit. But there were obviously other plans in store for Joel.
Little did he know that in 13 short years he would become one of America’s most powerful preachers. The path he took was a fascinating one, based on a calling to the pulpit that emerged immediately following his father’s death.
“When my father died in 1999, I had never ministered before except one time and that was the week of,” Osteen explained. “I don’t know how to describe it. I knew I was supposed to step up and pastor the church.”
Osteen recalls feeling that the emotion and urge didn’t make sense, even to him. After all, he had truly never preached in a professional capacity and had little theological training and experience beyond what he had learned from his father. But with the blessing of his family and with the church congregation behind him, he took the stage just one week after his father’s death and the rest is, well, history.
Watch Osteen describe his path to success in Part One of his Blaze interview, below:
“We never dreamed it would grow,” Osteen told TheBlaze from a side room at the massive church, going on to say that his initial goal was simply to maintain what his father had built.
“That’s part of our message,” he proclaimed, adding, “God’s dream for your life is bigger than your own. And that‘s what I’ve seen.”
When compared to 1999, life has changed dramatically for Osteen. Aside from personal growth, he highlighted the immense responsibility he has — a level of devotion and energy that wasn’t previously required of him. But he embraces his intense schedule.
“It’s fun, I enjoy doing it. I don’t feel pressured or stressed out,” he said. “I’m not overworked. I just feel…very blessed.”
The popular pastor was also humble in describing his beginnings, urging individuals to never find themselves un-amazed by what God has done in their lives. He reflected on the fact that, at a time, the current location of Lakewood was where the Houston Rockets once played — a team he frequently cheered on in the very same stadium that he now preaches in.
“Every time I drive up to this building or even like today when I’m on the platform I see my old season tickets where all through my 20s I used to sit and watch the Rockets,” he said, with excitement coloring his tone. “And I think, man…it just reminds you, look where we are today — did you ever dream?”
PROSPERITY & SIN: TACKLING THE CRITICISMS
Osteen is no stranger to controversy, as critics regularly claim that he touts a prosperity gospel of sorts (that wealth is something that the Bible promises to Christians) and that he is too soft on sin. When it comes to taking criticism in a more general sense, the preacher says that he takes it in stride.
“I try to, having good people around me, accept and take any valid criticism,” Osteen explained, highlighting that he chooses to ignore some of the more flagrant criticisms coming from detractors.
On the prosperity gospel front, he flatly denied the charge and framed his messaging by distinguishing between “prosperity” and “wealth.” That being said, he went on to note that he doesn’t engage in counter-criticisms of those who rail against him, as he believes that it is his ideological opponents’ right to hold differing opinions.
“I see God as being good, being for us — [a] God that wants to bless us and calls us to excel. Now, some people turn that into ‘You know, Joel’s saying, God wants to be rich.‘ It’s not that,” he said. “It’s [that] God wants us to excel, to have money to fulfill our dreams, and to have peace — to me, that’s prosperity.”
See him discuss these issues in Part Two of the interview, below:
When it comes to sin, Osteen also believes that critics get his message wrong. After asking him how he responds to those who see him as ignoring mankind’s sinful nature, he candidly responded that he believes he does, indeed, talk about sin — but that he does so using different methods.
“A lot of what I do is in a positive light. It’s who I am…to me, the scripture says it’s the goodness of God that leads to repentance,” Osteen proclaimed.
Rather than hammering congregants with negative messaging, Osteen takes a more affirmative approach.
“I would rather tell them we can be better fathers, we can overcome an addiction, we can let go of the past. I deal with it in an overcoming way,” he added.
“There‘s a camp that’s more hellfire,” he admitted, noting that this divergent approach can be chalked up to differences in theological opinion.
THE CHRISTIAN RESPONSIBILITY TO THE POOR, BEING ‘SAVED,’ & HEAVEN
So what is the Christian responsibility for the poor? Osteen candidly described his view that the gospel commands Christians to reach out to those in need. His own brother, in fact, is currently working at a charity hospital in Africa and Lakewood Church and Joel Osteen Ministries engage in special service projects regularly.
The massive globe he preaches in front of every service also trumpets the ministry’s global mission.
“I think that we all have a responsibility. It’s a part of the gospel to reach out and help those in need,” he said. “And so, it’s a part of our message. It’s a part of what we teach all of the time.”
But Osteen believes that it’s essential to help people work through their own issues so that they can be fully-prepared and equipped to help their fellow man. The preacher said that it’s tough to reach out to others if individuals, themselves, aren’t “healthy and whole.”
“My message and my ministry is to empower people to become who God’s created them to be so that they can help others,” he added.
And for him, it all comes down to the Bible’s most central message — that Jesus Christ died for the sins of mankind and is a savior. Without pause, the preacher delved into what he believes it means to be “saved,” a term that is central to Christian doctrine.
According to Osteen, “saved” means having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Salvation, he contended, is reliant upon that tenet. This, he said, paves the way toward a “guarantee of heaven” and helps individuals avoid “separation from God.”
Watch him discuss it in Part Three:
As for sin, Osteen sees it as a barrier to heaven that Jesus came to alleviate. Here’s how he explained the dynamic:
“We were born with sin and sin can’t enter heaven. Sin keeps us away from God. And, we all had this debt that we couldn’t pay. In the Old Testament they had to sacrifice animals and if you did enough right, you could get your sins covered. The gospel is that Jesus came and when he shed his blood and when he died and rose again, he was the ultimate sacrifice. And when you receive his forgiveness — and we call it redemption — you can be free from sin and not be separate from God.”
While the televangelist is often criticized for allegedly watering this message down, he didn’t hesitate to provide his full views on the matter. The aforementioned words, regardless of how critics feel about how Osteen deploys his message, generally coincides with what most evangelicals would say on the matter of sin and salvation.
PREPARING FOR SERMONS & INSPIRING THE MASSES
Seeing Osteen live or on television is unique for a variety of reasons. Among them, the pastor’s 26-minute sermons appear to be completely committed to memory. In our discussion, he described his intensive process of putting messages together and then presenting them.
His seamless presentation distinguishes him from other speakers and preachers who find themselves dependent upon transcripts and outlines. While this is not a critique of those who rely upon these elements, the impact of Osteen‘s speeches may very well be attributed to his ability to present them in an engaging and invigorating way that leaves audiences feeling as though he’s speaking directly to them.
That’s not to say he never draws a blank. He does. And when it happens, he said he usually just lets the congregation know and glances at the few notes he has.
Osteen went on to also explain the blessings he sees coming from the messages and events he holds. Among all of the benefits he feels coming from his work, the preacher said that seeing his sermons and messages impacting lives is the biggest personal blessing he regularly receives. He called the opportunity to impact his fellow man “humbling and rewarding.”
“The biggest blessing is being able to help people you’ve never met,” Osteen said. “To realize you’ve impacted their lives. There’s no feeling like that.”
Part Four of the interview, below:
The final question we had for Osteen focused upon a 30-second pitch. If he had only a small fragment of time to drive a message home to listeners, what would it be? Naturally, his comments focused upon positivity and a relationship with Christ.
“I would hope that they would receive Christ and have a relationship with Him — their creator,” he said. “And then, my second thing would be that…know that God is for you. You’re here for a purpose. You’re a person of destiny. It’s easy to get stuck in a rut of life.”
In the end, Osteen said he would want others to regularly realize their immense purpose and that others need them. These realizations, he believes, tie into knowledge about who Christ is.
TheBlaze’s Benny Johnson and Jon Seidl contributed to this report.
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TEARS FOR AMERICA
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:43amCharles Spurgeon said this about those who are fighting modernism, the easy gospel that is gobbling up churches and congregants (Europe lies in a horrible wake of Osteen’s easy, cheap faith)…”Let those who will keep the narrow way keep it, and suffer for their choice; but to hope to follow the broad road at the same time is an absurdity. What communion hath Christ with Belial?” I love Spurgeon.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:51amOnly in America could anyone consider fighting against modernism to be a good thing. The ‘watered down’ version of your doctrine is the only thing that got Western Civilization out of the dark ages. If you’d like to see what a truly orthodox Christian society might be like, look no further than the Middle East.
Report Post »hatchetjob
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:53amI agree TEARS FOR AMERICA.
Report Post »midwesthippie
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 12:00pm…2 posts removed for being anti-osteen…fascism.
Report Post »hi
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 12:05pmI agree with Tearsforamerica
The middle
Report Post »East follows Satan.
Winedude
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 12:13pmAndyetitmoves, I have to say I agree…
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Report Post »Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?” Epicurus
SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 12:13pmA big AMEN TEARS….I doubt Bonhoeffer would agree with Osteen’s teaching as being authentic. To me the big red flag was Osteen’s admission, “After all, he had truly never preached in a professional capacity and had little theological training and experience beyond what he had learned from his father.” Not that official theological training means you will be accurate in preaching, however, it does cause me to ask the question if he truly has a grasp of the whole counsel of God or just the parts he likes that fit his “style” and the traditions he was raised up in. Just my thoughts Press on TEARS, God Bless. Spurgeon was great….Deep thinker.
Report Post »OUTRIDER WRITER
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 12:16pm@Tears ~~ Spurgeon is awesome, as is Martin Lloyd Jones. My modern-day favorite is John Piper.
Report Post »SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 12:34pm@OUTRIDER….both excellent I also like Keller, Sproul, Packer, Pink, Stott, and Lutzer just to name a few. My list of favorites is actually quite a long list haha. I won’t bore people. God bless…
Report Post »ThemDemsLie2much
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 12:48pmBlaze, what the hell is with the pop-up? I even signed up for the damn news letter and still I get this crap everytime I visit. Wish I knew how I could shove one of those pop-ups you people sell us out with up your asses. Not cool!
Report Post »1st Semper Fi
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 1:05pmChrist Like is the complete key to looking at anyone who is leading people for Christ. I never have read anywhere in the Bible where Christ told his followers or people whom he was preaching to that “God want you be have everything you want” or “God does not want you to suffer” exactly the opposite. We need to be VERY discerning now days when listening to preachers or anyone talking about Christ and his love and measure them by Christ himself. Sadly I do not believe Joel is on the right track or understands what he is preaching. Sad, we need to pray for him because God says he will judge these people who mislead his people the harshest.
Report Post »SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 1:15pm@ WINE…The problem of evil as well as pain and suffering has been addressed very adequately by CS Lewis. If you are interested he pretty much breaks down your assertion borrowed from another philosopher and demonstrates a very logical conclusion to the questions you have raised. Thanks ahead.
Report Post »ThemDemsLie2much
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 1:21pmHis degree is in media production so he provides a great show so I’ve heard.
Report Post »His money comes from his many best seller books so I’ve heard.
He learned to preach from his father so I’ve heard.
I like what he says so every now and then I watch him.
He makes people feel better, he gives people hope, he credits his success to Jesus.
He’s never told me that I am going to hell. I don‘t recall him every asking for money but I don’t watch him that much.
Maybe you people that do not like him could change the channel or something to that effect. Since you’ve passed judgement on him, called him the devil and such, don’t listen to him. Sounds like the real devil is working the magic right here on the Blaze.
Olsteen is the only Tv Evangelist I’ll listen to when in the mood.
I’ll stick up for anyone that praises Jesus. Rich or poor!
rfburn
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 1:27pmPastors such as Mr. Osteen, while perhaps well intentioned, are a hindrance to the sharing of the Gospel.
He is far more motivational speaker than he is preacher of the Word.
More boldness is needed from the pulpit.
Report Post »The church is weak in America, which means America is weak.
The success Osteen has found only encourages more churches to head in that direction, and America is worse off for it.
godlovinmom
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 1:36pmIF YOU’RE INTERESTED IN THE TRUTH…there is an excellent web site that I have found that truly talks about different religions and how FALSE they really are…biblevslies.com…this pastor is right on about alot of things!…truly a man of God, I believe.
Report Post »girlnurse
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 1:57pmTEARSFOR AMERICA is right. Preach SIN and our need for a Savior…
How will a man ever know he needs the cure if he doesn’t even know he has a disease?
We are ALL headed to HELL. Unless we take the cure. Jesus preached about hell more than heaven!
Report Post »justangry
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 2:14pm@MidwestHippy, Yeah there is a fascist streak on here, big time! All they’re doing is destroying their credibility.
Report Post »txdave22
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 2:43pmDO YOU REALLY WANT A PRESIDENT THAT DOESN’T HAVE
BASIC FACTS ABOUT WORST GUN MASSACRE IN US HISTORY?
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney on Wednesday said many of the weapons obtained by the shooting suspect in Colorado were obtained illegally and that changing laws won’t prevent gun-related tragedies.
The Christian Science Monitor, an international newspaper, known for objectivity says:
But the firearms that authorities allege James Holmes used to kill 12 people in Aurora, Colo., were obtained legally.
Report Post »Holmes broke no laws when he purchased an assault-style rifle, a shotgun and Glock handgun, and he passed the required background checks.
soybomb315
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 3:36pmThank you TEARS FOR AMERICA
By appealing to our carnal nature, Olsteen takes the easy path. Being a good christian has zero to do with material possesions, friends, or health (although God may choose or allow you to have some).
Spurgeon had some really good writings. Men were made of better stuff back then
Report Post »anomnomnommm
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 4:00pm@ANDYETITMOVES
Amen.
Report Post »scarebear83
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 4:27pmI have yet to find in the Bible the things he says in reference to salvation. I haven’t found anywhere that we are born with sin? Ezekiel 18:20 Everyone is responsible for his or her own sin. As for being free from sin and not being separate from God is a false teaching. You can be separated from God, that is of your own choosing. If you can never ever be separated the verses that state otherwise? Heb. 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. Matt. 13:22 Now he who received seed among the thorns is he who hears the word, and the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful. Heb. 4:Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. Something that also struck me as odd is that he claims once you receive Jesus’ forgiveness… well that’s all he said, question is how does one receive that? How does one receive forgiveness of sins? The Bible is clear, you must hear the word Rom. 10:17 Believe that Jesus is the Son of God Heb. 11:6, John 3:16 Repent of your sins Luke 13:3, Acts 17:30 Confess Christ before men Matt. 10:32, Rom 10:9 and be baptized FOR the remission of sins Acts 2:38, Mark 16:16, Gal. 3:26-27, 1 Pet. 3:20-21 then remain faithful unto death Rev. 2:10
Report Post »maharickie
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 4:47pmOsteen: “There‘s a camp that’s more hellfire”. Jesus would be in that camp as he preached twice as much about wrath, judgement, gnashing of teeth etc. as He did about heaven. I agree with MacArthur who commented on Joel’s book “Your Best Life Now”: That only applies if you are not going to Heaven!
Report Post »I wonder what osteen has to say about christians in other countries who are martyred for their faith.
ThePostman
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 5:07pmJoel seems like a good man to me. I find it interesting, his approach. To tell the addict that he can be a better person, that God wants him to be a better person, rather than harping on him going to hell for being an addict. It is the same message, but without the condemnation, which God tells us is not our job, it is his and his alone. We are not to judge, it is right there in the Bible. We are not even supposed to judge the Aurora shooter. There is a certain peace, when we stop judging others and focus on improving ourselves for God.
Report Post »Prosecute_Constitutional_Treason_In_Washington
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 5:15pmPlease remember Christs deciples came to Christ and stated some preached Christ with discension. They asked Christ what should be done? Christ stated let them be. Whether you agree with Pastor Olsteens approach or not, you as a Christian should remain silent and let God bless Pastor Osteen’s ministry. Joel has been blessed by God. He strikes a balance few pastors have.
Report Post »Please remember God hates those who cause divisions. I know there are times to separate but those are few and far between. Most Bible based churches are trying to proclaim God’s love.
Accept those who are in the trenches and do your part. Stop complaining about your brothers and sisters.
GreatDayITM
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 5:56pmOsteen seems like a nice guy, but he is not a teacher of the Word. He should call himself a motivational speaker. Oh, but then he would have to pay taxes wouldn’t he?
Report Post »SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 6:07pm@ PROSECUTE…..I have to disagree with you about Osteen. He is the shepherd of 40,000 people plus his influence is significant over many others in this country. We should never alter the WHOLE counsel of God because when we do we fail to communicate the whole character of God. His political correctness and soft preaching is one thing but when entire aspects of the bible are never addressed, never preached on, and never taught because many would find it offensive then I have a problem with that. We most assuredly should NOT remain silent when a leader as prominent and visible as Mr. Osteen does not convey the whole counsel of God. I believe Paul addresses this in many places. And finally I would disagree that Mr. Osteen strikes a balance because I watch him all the time to see what he preaches on and he sounds more like a self help purveyor than a preacher of God’s word. In our culture that is dangerous as easy believism and the prosperity gospel run rampant. Thank you for your comment and time. God bless.
Report Post »caryb13
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 6:17pmAmen, Spurgeon was awesome, reformed and dead on right!
Report Post »Directoratasmallbusiness
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 7:06pmSo, most of you just want hell-fire and damnation preachers? You know that that type of preaching drives people into low self-esteem, guilt, homosexual suicide, racism, etc? Some of you probably wouldn’t care if it drove people to suicide or racism. I have different beliefs from Joel, but I do enjoy listening to him. I believe that Joel’s teaching of Christ is a great way to lead non-Christians and new Christians to God. His preaching is a great starting point into becoming a Christian and beginning with a positive way is always a great place to start anything. Joel is a man of God and helps millions become Christians, become stronger Christians, and leads people back to God when they have lost their way. Give the man some credit and stop being jealous or judgmental, because you do not like the way he preaches or his preaching is different from your belief. God bless you all……..God is good! All the time!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »stage9
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 9:29pm“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?” Epicurus
God and Evil: A Philosophical Contradiction?
Report Post »http://carm.org/god-and-evil-a-philosophical-contradiction
SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 9:38pm15 But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel. 16 I will show him how much he must suffer for my name.” Acts 9:15-16
3 Not only so, but we[c] also glory in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; 4 perseverance, character; and character, hope. 5 And hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us. Ro 5:3-4
17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs —heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory. Ro 8:17
5 For just as we share abundantly in the sufferings of Christ, so also our comfort abounds through Christ. 2 Co 1:5
29 For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe in him, but also to suffer for him, Phil 1:29
10 I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, Phil 3:10
8 So do not be ashamed of the testimony about our Lord or of me his prisoner. Rather, join with me in suffering for the gospel, by the power of God. 2Tim 1:8
6 In all this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. 1 Pe 1:6
Report Post »SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 9:50pm21 To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps. 1 Pe 2:21
14 But even if you should suffer for what is right, you are blessed. “Do not fear their threats[a]; do not be frightened. 1 Pe 3:14
Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because whoever suffers in the body is done with sin. 1 Pe 4:1
Dear friends, do not be surprised at the fiery ordeal that has come on you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. 13 But rejoice inasmuch as you participate in the sufferings of Christ, so that you may be overjoyed when his glory is revealed. 1 Pe 4:12-13
In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.” Jo 16:33
They preached the gospel in that city and won a large number of disciples. Then they returned to Lystra, Iconium and Antioch, 22 strengthening the disciples and encouraging them to remain true to the faith. “We must go through many hardships to enter the kingdom of God,” they said. Acts 14:22
3 You have persevered and have endured hardships for my name, and have not grown weary. Rev 2:3
Report Post »Needing_To_Vent
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:52pmI would challenge that his church does more in the world then most, if it was all about stupidity and money they would do far less. We only see the 26 minutes he preaches… We do not see all the other ministry that goes on here. He often talks about the other classes and ministry’s available to the church goers. So if you all come down from the glass house your in and perhaps do some more homework before you judge him.
As for “his” money, he has said in other interviews that he takes and makes nothing from the church. All of his income and his wife’s income come from their books. So their success is owned. Most of the churches I have tried to attend the pastors drive nicer cars then the congregation. They make their money from the church. Last I herd his church was over $12 Million per year… yet he takes nothing from it for salary… He must be evil right? What does your church pay its pastors… Do you know… I doubt it. Though I am sure some pastors take this same approach and work a “day job” as well. Many more do not.
I for one do not choose to addend a church where I am told what to think… I would rather be told the verse and let me decide how it applies to my life. Let ME understand God’s word. Not to be told what to think and how to think it and that I am going to hell. In the end if that is the case why try to accept salvation… I do believe God has a plan for us and that it is up to us to see it though. Joel encourages you to seek out that plan
Report Post »Needing_To_Vent
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:59pmI am reminded of a statement by Zig Zigler… Maybe he got it from someone else…
I’ll paraphrase…
Man #1 Says
I don’t like that church… There is nothing but hypocrites down there…
Man #2 says
You should come on down, we got plenty of room for one more…
Regardless how he or anyone else gets us to God we need to be there… If you like the abuse of a Hellfire and Brimstone church then you go… But for those that do not they also have a place to sit before God. The beauty of America is that we can have so many variations of religion as free people. Remember why the Pilgrims came here to begin with… Hint: it was not to bother the Native Americans…
Report Post »Amos37
Posted on July 27, 2012 at 11:16amOsteen is a false prophet, prophesying lies about who he believes the person of Christ was. Haven’t you read? Jesus said that even He wasn’t good, but only the Father. To show Him love was to obey the commandments, not support the lukewarm fellowship of the laodicean church.
Report Post »STOP FOCUSING ON THE PERSON OF JESUS, HE CAME TO DELIVER A MESSAGE – THE MESSAGE IS THE IMPORTANT PART. REPENT!!!
SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on July 27, 2012 at 12:11pmIn the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it. John 1
It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. 11 Jesus is
“‘the stone you builders rejected,
which has become the cornerstone.’[a]
12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.” Acts 4
May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. Ga 6
26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” John 20
57 “You are not yet fifty years old,” they said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!”
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txdave22
Posted on July 27, 2012 at 12:12pmAngelina Spencer, the executive director of the Association of Club Executives, which serves as a trade association for strip clubs, said an informal survey of convention business in New York and Denver had determined that Republicans dropped more money at clubs, by far.
“Hands down, it was Republicans,” she said. “The average was $150 for Republicans and $50 for Democrats.”
As further evidence of the clubs’ nonpartisan appeal, Don Kleinhans, the owner of the 2001 Odyssey, said when the Promise Keepers, a male evangelical group, came to town years ago, business was rollicking.
“We had phenomenal numbers all weekend, and they walked in wearing badges and name tags and weren’t shy at all,” he said.
James Davis, a spokesman for the Republican National Convention, declined to discuss Tampa’s prominent strip clubs.
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Posted on July 27, 2012 at 2:34pm@ TXDAVE…..I agree. Jesus said be on guard against the yeast of the Pharisees, that is hypocrisy…There is a lot of it in this country sadly because of easy believism and the prosperity gospel. It is a cancer here.
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Posted on July 27, 2012 at 10:30pm@ winedude….What is happening right now, is the process of exposing evil for what it is. Everybody gets a chance, don’t blow it.
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Posted on July 28, 2012 at 1:20amHow can any rational thinking human make the assumption that heaven exists? it boggles my mind that so many people think there is an after life.. In reality this assumption may not be true at all and taking a position of uncertainty does the opposite of what religious people think. It makes life even more precious. Dying for a cause takes on a whole new meaning when you’re an Atheist/Agnostic “Religion takes the sting out of death” – R. Dawkins
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Posted on July 28, 2012 at 9:10am@ CESIUM….Given the amount of credible evidence that the bible is an authentic and valid work of antiquity I don‘t know how any rational person that has objectively examined the evidence couldn’t believe in heaven. I do agree with you that Jesus certainly has removed the sting of death for those who believe. The logical conclusion if there is no heaven and your life becomes even more precious/appreciated then it will enhance selfish activity to get the most out of that life. However, Jesus said whoever loses his life, then shall he find it. Meaning if I “die” to my selfish self-loving desires that are natural (being sinful men) then I have gained eternal life because only in Him (faith in his death/resurrection) can men truly be free from the oppression of sin and self-loving because they know that this life is temporary and fleeting but the next is eternal. That is not to say an atheist could not possibly give his life to save a loved one etc., but would he give his life to save an enemy? That seems to be highly illogical given your belief system. Jesus said love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. Can an atheist truly do that given your belief system? Thank you ahead…..
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Posted on July 28, 2012 at 1:40pm@ sleazy “Given the amount of credible evidence that the bible is an authentic and valid work of antiquity I don‘t know how any rational person that has objectively examined the evidence couldn’t believe in heaven.” How is this remotely a logical argument? The truth that the bible is authentic work of antiquity is proof of an after life? I don’t understand. Also you fail to acknowledge the human condition in your assumption of atheists being selfish. There are lots of altruistic religious and atheists, and lots of selfish religious and atheists. I just think it is more likely that a selfish atheist will at least admit their selfishness. I know plenty of religious people who don’t do much of a damn for others but think good thoughts. Christians always boil morality down to some simplistic code. put the animal kingdom proves altruism does not require religion. Thanks to cameras I can prove this, unlike jesus walking on water.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ctjlROdNcc
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Posted on July 28, 2012 at 1:58pm@ Sleazy.. we also have very different perspectives on ourselves. You are christian and you have wired a certain extraordinary negative assumption about yourself.. That you are a sinner first. I was raised Jewish and Jews do not view themselves this way. In quite the opposite manner Jews strive to avoid sin and we hold fast to the possibility that we can always rise above it and it is not our default nature. We refuse to concede we are hopeless sinners like christians and there is only one way to achieve salvation. Jews live to avoid sin not define ourselves by it. We acknowledge our infallibility and pledge to avoid the sin we know we are capable of but that does not define us if we make the effort to avoid it. You cannot accuse me of being a sinner just because I am a man. I am not a criminal, and I am aware of my faults and what I need to improve. Thus, I have sinned many times.. I probably will continue to, but I can strive to not sin. As a Jew I am not bound by sin as you Christians are. I am bound by the responsibility as a Jew to recognize and avoid sin. It is quite a difference between assumptions in our brains. Every Rosh Hashanna, we jews throw our sins away!.. to pursue a sinless year. key word “sinless.” We generally fail but the point is we try to do mitzvote and minimize sin. I will not relegate myself full time sinner like you! I am a Jew…
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Posted on July 28, 2012 at 5:47pm@ CESIUM….It is quite a logical argument my friend. Proving the bible is an authenticate representation of the original manuscript is only 1/3 of the over all case for the bible. The other 2 are external and internal evidence that successfully builds greater and greater credibility that would pass our modern day court criteria of beyond a reasonable doubt quite easily. I have not failed to acknowledge the human condition in the slightest in fact my faith affirms exactly what you stated, that NONE are good, even the religious, all are selfish, all are immoral to one degree or another. Left to our own devices (as would be the case for the atheist) are natural inclination is to self. That is not to say that a religious person couldn’t be more selfsih than an atheist in any given instance, but as far as the human condition goes certainly this would be a very logical conclusion based upon the whole of human history. Again as far as my faith goes unless one admits that they are a sinner (selfish, lustful, proud, wicked at heart, boastful, arrogant, and on and on) and comes clean before God in sincerity then they don’t really understand who they are before a holy God. I too know religious folks who no nothing of the truth I speak on that we can both agree. However, we must be careful not to judge the truth of the bible based on people because as we have both agreed people are extremely fallible. So that would be illogical, don’t you agree?
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Posted on July 28, 2012 at 6:05pm@ CESIUM……With regard to altruism, I completely agree that it ca be seen in many places but what cannot be known are the motivations for even seemingly good actions. It is a nonflasifiable, it cannot be proven or disproven if the behavior is for unrealized selfish intersts or not. Therefore it becomes circular reasoning and a fallacious line of reasoning based upon oour discussion. As for me being a sinner, my life proves it to be so it is a very logical conclusion given my atheistic days and even in my morality was hidden wrong motivations and self-love. I view being a sinner not so much as an action (although that is part) but as a nature. Like a bird by nature flies, so we by nature sinners sin. This is consistent with the teaching in the OT. But if you do sin, why should a holy God who knows no sin accept you into fellowship with him? By what power do you not sin? Even in your deepest heart, within your personal thoughts are pure? None of us are? If the law brought salvation and freedom then Jesus died for nothing. Instead the law points to the fact that we cannot keep it because none of us do despite how hard we try. I would simply say before God you (and I) are both criminals. Imperfect cannot improve to the point of perfection, it is impossible, and God says if you are not perfect you cannot be with him, hence Jesus must take my sin and give me his righteousness. “we are not bound by sin”, “We generally fail but the point is we try.” That is bo
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Posted on July 28, 2012 at 7:31pm@ CESIUM…..Finally I owuld say that while I most assuredly used to be bound by sin. I am as free as free can be now, as sin is no longer my master and it no longer holds any power over me in that, who can bring a charge against those whom God has justified? Truly, I don’t identify with sin any longer but rather with Jesus Christ my savior. Thank you….
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Posted on July 29, 2012 at 10:58pmTears, if you read spurgeon you should listen to Dr. R.A. Hargrave.
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Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:42amThank you, Billy Hallowell for presenting a fair and interesting article on this amazing man of God. The Bible tells us in the old testament not to touch God’s Anointed and to do His prophets no harm. You truly obeyed this scripture, unlike the comments that I’ve read so far. People are so ignorant of the TRUE Gospel of Christ and His everlasting Grace and Mercy! Joel is criticized for preaching a watered down gospel. but that’s not true. It‘s just wrapped in a different package for a particular audience who don’t like Fire and Brimstone. God’s using him to reach a generation that is tired of religion. Watered down would be NOT to talk about Christ at all, but to talk about success with mentioning scripture! If he watered down his message, why does he give an altar call after EVERY TV program without fail? Seeker friendly preachers won’t do that! Critics, give it a rest and read your Bible, and not just the Gospels, either! Read Paul’s, Peter’s, John‘s and James’ books and we what they have to say about prosperity! All scripture is inspired of God!
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Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:47amDo you have any idea how rich this guy is? He’s got if figured out like most pop musicians, just appeal to the lowest common denominator. The dumber people are, the easier they are to entertain.
Report Post »SonOfThunder
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 12:26pmYou are duped by the false teacher Osteen. He is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. He will be judged by God accordingly leading his flock to the lake of fire. The guy only has one master which is money.
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Posted on July 26, 2012 at 12:28pmI don’t think Jesus followed your logic when he confronted the religious of his day with sin. That is in fact why he was ultimately crucified for. He said it costs a man everything to follow him and that the way is narrow. He also stated that many would come to him on that day and say Lord, Lord but he would tell them to depart for he never knew them. Unless a man loses his life he shall not find it. We are called to a life of suffering and self denial, not prosperity as Mr. Osteen preaches. The prosperity is in regard to spiritual things. Paul didn’t seem to have a very prosperous life to me if Mr. Osteen is correct, nor did the other apostles who were martyred for their faith or many of the early christians who suffered immensely due to persecution. When Jesus calls a man he bids him to come and die. That is why Jesus said a man should count the cost before following him. Did Bonhoeffer prosper when he hung from the end of Hitler’s rope? Or did Wurmbrand prosper when tortured for Christ? What about the chinese christians persecuted by their government with worngful long term imprisonment, are they prospering? I’m not so concerned with Osteen as I am with the truth as Jesus and the Bible proclaim it to be because to believe in somehting else is dangerous to say the least lest we strip the real meaning away from the heart of the gospel giving people a false sense of security. Thanks ahead…
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Posted on July 26, 2012 at 12:29pmBTW we are to evaluate what someone teaches or otherwise we could never expose false teachers. Jesus himself commended in Revelation the church for exposing those who claimed to be apostles but were not really. How did they do that if they did not expose their false teaching? Thanks ahead…
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Posted on July 26, 2012 at 1:02pmI agree. However, there is something missing from a ministry that does not warn of the consequence of those sins. There is a judgement day and it is coming soon.
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Posted on July 26, 2012 at 1:13pmCouldn’t agree more RMNS0832. For some reason, I’m still always shocked at all the criticism that I see from “Christians” on this site every time I see a article about Osteen.
To anyone on this site that calls themselves a “Christian,” I would highly recommend you watch this message from my pastor. I think he nails it on the head with this subject of how critical Christians are of other Christians so much more…
http://www.nvcl.org/carmel
Hiit “Media Player” at the bottom right
Hit WATCH on the message titled “Identity Crisis”
Report Post »Last-Man-Standing
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 1:27pmI agree with SleepyHippo. In fact, I think SleepyHippo shoudl sell his computer and give the money to the poor. Do you own a car SleepyHippo? How about a bank account: do you have any savings. The average income in Africa is $315 per year; throughout the world it is less than $1,500 annually. God sees the whole world and he knows just how rich YOU are SleepyHippo. If you really believed what you are saying, you would sell all YOU have and follow Him.
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Posted on July 26, 2012 at 2:51pm@ LASTMAN…..As a Christian I realize that I own nothing. What would be considered my possessions actually belong to Jesus. I am just a steward or manager of those things. As such, I am not preaching that if one is a Christian they should expect to live a properous life as Mr. Osteen preaches. I preach that men may in fact be called to sell all they have or they may be called to suffer immensely for many different reasons. I also believe that I have what I have that I might use it for good and the advancement of God’s kingdom. That means if I am to continue to have income and support my family and my local church I must hold a job. In this case many things are necessary to hold down that job, ie a home, a car, a computer, etc…Not that it is really any of your business, but I do give a lot of my earnings to many overseas thorugh numerous different Christian programs. I also give a lot of my time being a father figure to many of the young men in my life who grew up without fathers. So while I always reflect and wrestle with not being too materialistic I am comfortable that if the Lord should take all away from me then I owuld be satisfied with Him alone. I don’t follow him expecting to be prosperous, I follow Him because he died for me. Many are called to suffer at different times and in various ways. However, my previous comment is not inconsistent with how I live my life or the word of God. Your judgment of me was based on pure speculation……
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Posted on July 26, 2012 at 3:05pmYes..all scripture is inspired of God..Joseph Prince is a good friend of Joel Olsteen..and a friend called me the other day and told me that he heard Olsteen say that he would not judge ..but that the Bible indicates that if one doesn’t obey the word of God..then one will not inherit eternal life..I did hear Joseph Prince say that as long as you are saved..that you can continue in your sin..but that you will pay for it here on earth and that will be it..you can still go to heaven.. I know one adulterous man and woman who have carried on an affair for over 30 yrs.. I think that they rather enjoy their lives..and would not change it even with the threat of hell..and both believe that they are on their way to heaven..So according to pastors such as Prince..you can accept Jesus as Lord and then go out and sin all you want..
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 3:36pmYo Lastmanstanding & Sleazysother:
Lastman:
God blesses — some of that includes financial PROSPERITY. Scripture also says that a man should use that money and influence that many times accompanies such for the kingdom (to help others). but scripture also say’s that it is OK for a man to enjoy those blessings … how that is handled is between God and that individual and not your business, unless you have a personal relationship and can speak into their life about a concern you have that is to their benifit and that your concern is for THEM and not some misguided self righteousness.
Sleazysother:
Glad you cleared some of what you said about money up as God does and desires to bless/prosper us with finances … Job, Joseph even Paul at one point in his life “lived well” … we stick to the trail God leads each of us on and when it gets difficult we do not turn back, even when He asks us to give up our life. I teach The Word to teens… I have no “training” except that which God has provided through various means and always by His Spirit of TRUTH … God calls the lowly to his task to confound the wise of this world >>> peace
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Posted on July 26, 2012 at 3:59pm@ 4TRUTH….I must admit I am not the greatest fan of this format online because so much is “lost in translation”. I agree with you very much that God loves to give his children good gifts. The word says so. However, we are to love the giver not the gifts as I believe you were stating. I was referring to the unbalanced preaching of “God wants you to prosper” when in fact he may and has called many to suffer and sacrifice not just materially, but in other ways as well. My main point is that the unbalanced approach of Mr. Osteen is very dangerous in such a materialistic society and can bring disillusionment and discouragment to many. Also, I wasn’t trying to infer that people without formal training could not be used greatly and be dead on accurate (I have no formal training myself). However, I do think as a principle, theological training is good and right for those who are going to be elders/pastors of God’s flock. Not at all meaning in a legalistic manner but as a general principle. Thanks for your comments and God bless. Hope that conveys a better understanding of my intentions previously.
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Posted on July 26, 2012 at 5:24pmMost Christians fail to understand God bless’ some people to be rich. They typically are leaders not followers. They are humble and view the wealth as God’s money not theirs. I believe Joel is this way. Joel can not help God has blessed him and he sure has used the money wisely or else you might not see him on TV. TV takes alot of cash to proclaim the Truth. I pray God will continue to bless Joel. Thank you for leading. The only issue I have a concern over is Joel stated Romney was a Christian as far as he knew. Joel should look closer into Mormon teaching. It’s a works salvation much like Catholic teaching. Christ plus good works equals heaven.
Report Post »Joel does not need my praise but Joel thank you for your service to each of us.
ashestoashes
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 8:02pm@PROSECUTE..You are right that theirs is a salvation according to works and of being a Mormon..From my understanding…they believe that there are innumerable gods in charge of billions of planets.and that Elohim was born to human parents..and that all of the gods were at one time humans and that they are up in at their planets having eternal celestial sex with a pluralty of wives..That God had many spirit children with his wives and Satan and Jesus were brothers and that when they made planet earth..war broke out in heaven because the council voted on Jesus’s free will design ignoring Satans god design..Satans punishment was to be kicked to earth along with the third angels who fought with him and the ones who fought valiantly against Satan were born to white Mormon families..Jesus was the first adam and his mission was to populate the earth..Then the Mormon God came to earth and had sex with Mary so Jesus could have a human body..Jesus before being crucified had 3 wives..Mary..Mary Magdalene and Martha.and several children which Joseph Smith was a direct discendant. A spirit told Joseph Smith to found the Mormon religion because all Christiandom was an apostacy. Joseph Smith..the Mormon Jesus and the Mormon God will sit and judge everyone on the last day. and if it weren’t for Joseph Smith..who shed his blood for them..they could not become gods of their own planet.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 9:59pmYo Sleazysother:
I whole heartedly agree with the difficulty of depth and impersonality of this format. I agree with the God as a suger daddy idea. Was not attempting to find blame, just keepin it real. I do believe that because of this bad teaching (not completely false), and what I believe scripture says concerning the timing of the calling up (rapture) of His people not happening as many say; this will lead to the great falling away. When we are squeezed many are going to cry uncle. Many are going to shake their fists at God whan all is lost. I truly do not believe many understand the road ahead … not so sure I am ready and I know what’s comming … but it is God’s good plan. Appreciate your thoughtful responces …peace
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Posted on July 26, 2012 at 10:23pmYo Sleazysother:
Had a thought …….
Report Post »Receive a gift,
there is a giver.
The receiver then becomes the giver
… of thanks.
Fully appreciating the giver,
for if not, he has not :-)
caryb13
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:59pmApparently you are ignorant of scripture, as someone in his 3rd year of seminary I offer some scriptures and thoughts:
“There are some groups that say we should suffer for Christ, I don’t see it that way” – J. Osteen.
“He is puffed up with conceit and is depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that GODLINESS IS A MEANS OF GAIN.” 1 Timothy 6:4-5
How about the entire context and words in the bible and Christ’s word about suffering? “And if children, then heirs–heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, PROVIDED WE SUFFER WITH HIM in order that we may also be glorified with him.” Romans 8:17
If you think that’s out of context, look up “suffer” in your concordance. People should leave church determined to be more like Christ, not just “feeling good about themselves”. There is no talk of repentance. What Osteen preaches is Christless Christianity.
What I am saying IS NOT a “Hellfire and Brimstone” message, it is the contextual message of the bible. Paul says here,
” For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ.” -Philippians 3:8
None of the apostles had health, wealth or prosperity. If I were to pick one verse I would like Osteen to hear it would be the one above.
Let God’s word convict you. I pray for the people who swallow his message. A pastor’s job is not to make people feel good, it is to amplify the light of Christ and teach
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Posted on July 27, 2012 at 7:01amA big amen to 4TRUTH and CARY……. Carry on and let us all run the race marked out for us with endurance. God Bless you both!!!!
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Posted on July 27, 2012 at 7:47amCaryb13:
To whom do you speak?
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Posted on July 27, 2012 at 9:15amHere is what Osteen said about suffering:
“There are some groups that say we should suffer for Christ, I don’t see it that way” – Joel Osteen.
Here is what Paul said about suffering:
“And if children, then heirs–heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, PROVIDED WE SUFFER WITH HIM in order that we may also be glorified with him.” Romans 8:17
Here is what Paul said about prosperity:
“He is puffed up with conceit and is depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that GODLINESS IS A MEANS OF GAIN.” 1 Timothy 6:4-5
And both
” For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ.” -Philippians 3:8
None of the apostles had health, wealth or prosperity. A pastor’s job is NOT to make people feel good, it is to amplify the light of CHRIST and teach them to do the same. That is certainly not what Osteen does.
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Posted on July 27, 2012 at 10:05am@ 4TRUTH…I believe CARY was addressing their comment to RNS the original post….
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Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:42amOsteen…not Olsteen…..sorry…
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Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:41amSometimes I wonder about Joel Olsteen. I don’t know how to charecterize him. I have heard him preach and sometimes I think he is right and other times I think he has simplified the gospels somewhat to their detriment. I guess there is a nitch somewhere for his type of preaching. Many people like him.
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Posted on July 26, 2012 at 12:32pmThis Catholic who studies the BIBLE with many indepth courses, Scott Hahn (EWTN), Phillip Yancy, Henri Nouwen, Thomas Merton and many others, I look forward to Sundays when I tape a new weekly message from Joel Osteen. What he does is take every day stumbling blocks and tells us what GOD
Report Post »and JESUS have said as it relates to the subject. He has none of the “look-at-me” flaws that many other preachers have. He is a servant of GOD. Period. Joel is like a spotlight, lighting up passages and information that we might skip over, he never claims to be some brilliant Biblical Scholar and he never has promised “do this and get rich”. It’s do this and know God ! The only criticism I see and hear of him come from “preachers” from far less successful people !! So what if he is rich? I have never seen any evidence of him flaunting it like Jim Bakker etc. He is like Sunshine in the morning !
Bluebonnet
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 12:40pmI’ve heard Osteen and have enjoyed his simple teachings. The 4 Gospels are simple teachings. Why are people saying ugly things about a teacher who’s teaching the simple truths of the bible?
Report Post »At least he‘s teaching Jesus’ words. Most churches talk in circles to confound and confuse the people. I personally like the simplicity that teaches us how to live for the Lord. That‘s what it’s all about.
RockofLove
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 2:46pm@PHenry Tickle my Ears while you smile. http://www.apologeticsindex.org/229-joel-osteen
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Posted on July 26, 2012 at 3:05pm7 Therefore Jesus said again: “Most truly I say to YOU, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All those that have come in place of me are thieves and plunderers; but the sheep have not listened to them. 9 I am the door; whoever enters through me will be saved, and he will go in and out and find pasturage. 10 The thief does not come unless it is to steal and slay and destroy. I have come that they might have life and might have it in abundance. 11 I am the fine shepherd; the fine shepherd surrenders his soul in behalf of the sheep. 12 The hired man, who is no shepherd and to whom the sheep do not belong as his own, beholds the wolf coming and abandons the sheep and flees—and the wolf snatches them and scatters them— 13 because he is a hired man and does not care for the sheep. 14 I am the fine shepherd, and I know my sheep and my sheep know me, 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I surrender my soul in behalf of the sheep. – John 10:7-15
Follow our Lord Jesus, do not put your trust in men and their slick talk.
Report Post »welovetheUSA
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 3:55pmAs long as the man can reach millions through his church…what is the difference ? Goodness is God…The message…is good.
Report Post »SonOfThunder
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 5:22pmPathenry, figures you are fooled by Osteen. You are catholic and duped by the pope and the roman catholic church. Osteen has little gospel message and roman Catholics get none. I know because I spent 46 years as a practicing Catholics. You are fooled.
Report Post »Repent and put your trust in Jesus alone. Not in works that catholics say you need to enter heaven.
Why would you need a priest who could be pedophiles to confess your sins? Tell where it says in the Bible that there is a purgatory. It is a myth for the roman c atholic church. You can’t pray or pay someone into heaven as Catholics believe. Why worship Mary and the saints? It is idol worship. It breaks the 1st and 2nd commandments. You pay to get married, confirmation, communion, pay for the dead etc and on and on. Dude you are duped. Pope is not infallible only Jesus is. The pope is not the holy father only God is. The pope is not the vicar of the church. The Holy Spirit is. The pope is not the head of church. Jesus is.
hatchetjob
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 5:41pmSONOFTHUNDER, You said it better than I could. Thank you.
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Posted on July 26, 2012 at 5:56pmThanks hatchet. I have a heart for Catholics and they are headed straight to hell. I know because I was on my way. Thanks again.
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Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:44pmSONOFTHUNDER
Report Post »Just a few things you said need to be corrected.
You spend 46 years in the Catholic Church and got no gospel message? Every time I go to church I get a Gospel message. It is a required part of the Catholic mass.
Catholics do not believe or teach works get you into heaven. The grace of God is the only way anyone gets into heaven. All have fallen short.
Priests hear confession, because that is the way Jesus set things up. That whole “bind and loose” thing in the Bible. You a sinner forgive your own sins. Yea, that is much better
Purgatory is not mentioned by name in the bible, but the concept is all through the old and new testament.
Roman Catholic Church? It is just Catholic Church. The Anglican Church added Roman because they wanted to call themselves “catholic”. Why would they want to do that, oh yea because the catholic church is the only Christian Church that dates back to Jesus.
Catholics DO NOT believe you can pray someone into heaven. Only God’s grace…
Catholic DO NOT worship Mary or saints. God to Moses to make idols and place them on the Ard of the Covenant…also to make a serpent and place it on a pole…the Synagogues were very ornately decoreated
Payment at a wedding, funeral…are a payment for a service rendered. The Catholic church requires the payment be around $5.
by faith
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:45pmPope is infallible only when teaching official dogma of the Church. This is a promise made by Jesus.
Just like the father is the head of the family, the Holy Father is the head of the earthly Christian family
46 years and you don’t know this?
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:38amI pray that the Lord gives ME the wisdom not to listen to a false teacher like Joel Olsteen!…He’s very good at quotin scripture…not so good at comprehension.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:52amSounds like every Christian living in the Western world.
Report Post »DOra Glasberg
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 12:10pmLust in it for the money – like all of them.
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 12:29pmAndyet…well I do know I don’t go around spreadin falsehoods about salvation and try to teach this falsehood to others….that I do know.
Report Post »john vincent
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:33amWhen Osteen quotes scripture exactly, thats a good thing. However, its the connections he makes that usually get him into trouble. He‘s rather good at ’fair speeches.’ but the devil is even better. I would be suspicious of any man who kind of ‘grew overnite,’ into a pastor position, with no real time
‘in the desert,’ alone, learning, watching, waiting, maturing.
The result, cream puff religion that looks good on the surface, but never satiates. I think Paul the apostle may take Joel aside and say :’Joel, u must not water down the word to please your audience-alot of what u say is good, and even true, but ‘the devil believes in God and trembles..It is impossible to ‘pastor’ a flock this size, and i suggest you go to ‘arabia’ for a year to get my drift.’ Then Paul may add,’ have i become your enemy by telling u the truth???’
In the end, people will have itching ears, and gravitate toward that which relieves the conscience; but I still appreciate hearing GOd’s word, anytime, anywhere, “even the wrath of man will praise GOd,’ and if man hold their peace, the very stones will cry out. Joel Osteen? Good intentions? yes. A christian? maybe carnal, maybe a baby, maybe unlearned, but i would be slow to say he is not related to the vine, even if broken or bent. Even a man who turns from GOd will have the light shine on his back..
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:44amHate to break it to you but more or less every Christian in the Western world is practicing a ‘cream puff religion.’ The fact that you people no longer burn apostates at the stake or conduct witch hunts should tell you something. Christians simply figured out a few centuries before Muslims that their religion is incompatible with civil society.
Report Post »midwesthippie
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:56am…smiley-happy people taking your money in the name of christ…and according to the blaze you are “fans”…there is something wrong with people who can fake smile as much as jodooosh and his lovely wife…creepy even…
Report Post »Hollywood
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 12:02pmJoel Osteens’ own words, on TV interviews, condemns him. He is NOT a Christian, and he needs to be called out for it. He is a subtle as his father satan, who knows Scripture BETTER than Osteen, does, and perverts it as he diid when trying to tempt Jesus, and doing so successfully with Adam and Eve. You will NEVER hear Osteen preach that WITHOUT REPENTANCE, there is no Salvation. Osteen has stated there is more than one way to Heaven. I have HEARD him. He is a liar, and an apostle of satan, not Christ, as stated in 2 Cor Ch 11 V 12-15. Osteen, as Rick warren, and others need to be called out publicly, for what they are. Christ predicted there would be many false Christs, prophets,preachers in the end times, and Osteen is but one of thousands. I pray he will REPENT of his false teachings, for he will suffer greatly, in eternity for his false teachings, if he does not repent.
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john vincent
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 12:03pmandy
Appreciate the comment, but you speak from ignorance-hate to break it to you,
true christians cannot burn anybody at the stake, never did, never will;
dont confuse state religion with the truth of GOd- read ‘foxes book of martyrs,‘ people died at the hands of ’religious people,’ wolves in sheep clothing.
Muslim and christian have nothing in common-no true christian would behead anybody for any reason!
God deals with man according to dispensations- thats why a woman was let alone, standing in the presence of GOd, where her accusers could not stone her to death. They were guilty as her! Sin is the great equalizer.
These are exactly the things u will not hear from mr. osteen.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 12:07pmHollywood sometimes I wonder if the real appeal of religion is that it gives you a license to write manifestos in approximate 4th century language like you just did there. It would be so fun to have the type of mind that convinces you other people are being controlled by the devil, what a whimsical way to live.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 12:13pmJohn – “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.” Ex 22:18
If you don‘t think that a ’true believer‘ ever burned someone at the stake then you simply don’t know your own religious history.
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 12:33pmAndyet…if you are referring to “true believers” as the Catholic church, you know the ones that burned people at the stake, you might want to research history according to God’s word, Catholism is no more of God that Joels church…you might want to look into the origins of the babylonian religion, you’ll find Catholism there!
Report Post »john vincent
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 12:36pmandy
again, thanks, but your post agreed with me- I said ‘no true christian…..could burn anyody’
there were no christians until 33ad.
By the way, as to your witch comment, even King Saul didnt burn the witch at Endor, (Samuel) just proved how debased man is; he went to her for counsel! You can never wrap yourself around correct theology, unless
Report Post »1. the spirit of GOd is your teacher
2. your heart is right
3.that the very least of your sin, is just as bad as the worst of another
4.you understand dispensational truth, as opposed to covenant theology,
until then, it will always be a book of fog.
also, could u show where a witch was actually burned by an Israelite??
SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 1:08pm@ ANDYET….Your error in asserting the premise you have and thinking you possess scriptural support for it stems from poor hermeneutics. You lack the context of what the whole counsel of God teaches and what the purpose was behind the OT covenental system and why it prescribed harsh penalties. Part of the reason the Old Testament covenantal system was so harsh is because first, the Old Testament law demonstrates the severity of righteousness and the requirement of perfection before a holy God. Galatians 3:24 says that the law is what points us to Christ. It does this by showing us that we are not able to keep the law and that the only way of obtaining righteousness before God is through the sacrifice of Jesus, who was God in flesh (John 1:1,14; Col. 2:9). The reason we don’t observe the Old Covenantal system, that involved such harsh punishments, is because it has been done away with. We are under a new covenant. Jesus said in Luke 22:20, “This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.” This new covenant was prophecied in the Old Testament in Jer. 31:31, “Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.” It is referenced in 1 Cor. 11:25, 2 Cor. 3:6, Heb. 8:8, 9:15; and 12:24. So when you proclaim your assertion you do so without a proper understanding of the whole of scripture and a very poor understanding of the scholarly accpeted principles of herme
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Posted on July 26, 2012 at 5:12pmGodlovinmom
Never let it be said that not having even a clue as to what the Catholic Church’s history is should stop you from saying something intellectually void.
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 5:24pmOh I do know about the cathoilic churches history…celebacy…straight from babylon…virgins (nuns) straight from babylon…does it not say in scripture that Christ Jesus is the ONLY mediator between us and God..so what’s confessing your sins to a priest all about….we have only one father in heaven…none on earth…how about infant baptism…straight from babylon, except they used to sacrafice theirs…yes I do know alittle about catholism….do you?…the pope is respected as highlly as God, even more so with Catholics…Catholic doctrin of host is straight from babylon, you know god supposeably transforming himself into a wafer that you partake of…how about the fact that catholics don’t read the bible in church..only the priest…just like babylon, followers have to be taught the mysteries…shall I go on??? False religions are my favorite study!
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Posted on July 26, 2012 at 5:47pmByFaith…I should add…that I am probably the bigest sinner that you will know…far from free..only when I get to heaven will I be free from my carnal nature…so please forgive me if I sound like a now it all…I have ALOT of catholics in my family…and I love them all.
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Posted on July 26, 2012 at 5:54pmThe more you speak, the more you prove you know very little about the Catholic church.
The website you listed is laughable incorrect. Regurgitated Chick publication lies.
Archbishop Fulton Sheen once said, “There are not even 100 people in this country who hate the Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they think the Catholic Church to be.
Report Post »januscatinhat
Posted on July 27, 2012 at 11:21pmJoel Osteen is handsome and makes you feel better after listening. Jesus is handsome and makes you feel way, way better after listening, really listening to him. Plus Jesus is superbly smart. Joel reminds me of Paul. Learn something Jesus taught and run with it. No matter what you thought you heard Jesus say just run spread the word. Jesus didn’t have enough time to teach every cotton-picking thing he knew, as it is written, it would have taken many more books.
Report Post »Matt
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:29amDoesn‘t seem like he really understands Christ’s gospel. He speaks of the offerings the Jews gave up as if they atoned for their sins. They didn’t, they were just in similitude of the only sacrifice that can atone for sin, that of Jesus Christ for us. The Jews who were faithful before Christ came are likewise covered under his Atonement. Those who refused to believe in him once he came…..maybe not so much. But the faithful Jews who came before him are saved, not by their animal sacrifices, but by the grace of God.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:36amActually if you‘ve read the OT you’ll notice that about 90% of God’s natural moral law has to do with livestock and animal sacrifices. It is blasphemous to deny their significance.
Report Post »GoodStuff
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 12:24pm@andy
“90% of God’s natural moral law has to do with livestock and animal sacrifices. It is blasphemous to deny their significance.”
Wrong. The Mosaic Laws were divided into three categories.
The “moral law” is the Ten Commandments. We are not to live by these commandments, that would be legalism. We are to use them to bring the knowledge of sin. Paul called the moral Law the “schoolmaster” to bring us a knowledge of what sin is. And, through the conviction that God brings, we know we need a savior, Christ.
The other laws, “ceremonial law” and “civil law” were designed specifically for the Jews of ancient Israel. The ceremonial law you refer to, animal sacrifices, etc, were rendered mute when Jesus became the Lamb of God and sacrificed himself for the sins of the world. These laws no longer have any purpose, they are the Old Covenant, Jesus is the New Covenant.
Report Post »SimpleTruths
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 12:47pmGeorge Bernard Shaw summed it up best when he said, “No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says: He is always convinced that it says what he means.”
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 1:38pmGeorge Bernard Shaw…have you not been listening to Glenn Beck..Shaw thought we should eliminate people that aren’t contributing to society, like the hadicapped and widows…not what Jesus taught at all…I think I’ll listen to Jesus versus George.
Report Post »WHOSYOURMAHDI
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:24am“Did I not prophesy in your name saying Lord, Lord?”
“Depart from me thou worker of iniquity. I… NEVER… KNEW… YOU!!!”
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:34amAnd furthermore, “If a man’s testicles are crushed or his penis is cut off, he may not be admitted to the assembly of the LORD.”
The Bible is awesome.
Report Post »pdw
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:16amWe condemn no man for trying to bring the Gospel to people seeking understanding. You need to remember the scripture, let them drink of the milk before they can eat of the meat. We are not to judge others but to be a strength and aid in guiding them to a better understanding of God’s plan for all of his children. I personally do not care for the man or his teachings but just maybe he is making better humans out of those attending his church. There are way too many who believe in nothing due to others who believe they are the greatest beings in the universe. Life has a way of beating some down to the point they are full of hate and condemn anything and everything. If they had enough faith to find there is a God then have conversations with God through prayer, fasting and study they will find the strength to get them through those hard times, by not using up all the oil in their lamps of faith.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:31am‘If they had enough faith to find there is a God then have conversations with God through prayer, fasting and study…’
Translation: If they are sufficiently uneducated.
Report Post »ltemp
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:15amJoel is defined as a Christian leader by the world. I believe he, like many leaders believe sincerely in their understanding of the bible. These leaders also know that God only holds you responsible for the level of light (an honest understanding) you are given. If you do not have an understanding of justification God doesn’t hold you responsible so long as your heart is seeking him. It is painful to witness if these leaders were to stand up for the truth of the gospel as the Apostles truly did they would be rejected and murdered. The world will not except the truth. These leaders hide behind the God is love doctrine and avoid the real issues that misdirect the people. Why not ask him real questions, like the state of the dead, the Sabbath truth and the main issue of worshiping a triple god that is not in the bible. Jesus our example, tells His shepherds to give all to the poor and follow him. These guys keep all and tell there followers to believe in a mysterious three headed god in one. This is not Christianity. The true Shepherds know their true God and their bible. I applauded your efforts to find the leaders of Christianity but they are not in the news papers, or any other media resource, you find them by living the word. God the Father does not ask the world for permission to speak and who to speak through. He has already spoke through His Son Jesus Christ and the world refuses to listen. Joel is accepted and identified as the world identifies Christians don’t follow.
Report Post »scrudge
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:09amAh Yes…. T V preachers.. they smile all the way to the bank… its always profit from others misery
Report Post »hatchetjob
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:51amDr. Charles Stanley isn’t like that, and he speaks the true Word of God without sugar coating it.
Report Post »SonOfThunder
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 7:00pmHatchet, agreed dr Stanley preaches the Gospel. There are good biblical Christian preachers on TV like David Jermiah, Greg Laurie, dr. Youseff from Leading the Way, Franklin Graham, and Kirk Cmeron and his pastor buddy ray Comfort to name a few.
There are many false teachers like Osteen, Benny Hinn, John Hagee, Joyce Meyers, Joseph Prince, Bill Johnson of Redding CA, anyone one in the apostolic movement, IHop Pastors, Creflo Dollar, Eddie Jones, TD Jakes, Phillip Craig and Dean oneness pentcostal music group, Ken Copeland, Rod Parsley, Ed Young jr, and on and on.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:08amHealth and weath theology is NOT the Gospel of Chist. His daddy is turning over in his grave. John was excellent. Joel…nope.
Report Post »RobbieTLHughie
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:04amHere’s where the jerk section of The Blaze really comes out to play, when it comes to insulting a fellow brother in Christ because his way of teaching The Holy Bible is different than what you prefer.
“I DO NOT LIKE THIS JOEL OSTEEN BECAUSE HE DOES NOT TALK OF HOW CRAPPY GAY PEOPLE ARE!” is the substance of your argument here…
So he is a ‘fake’ Christian, but not only that because a human being on the Internet could never just stop at that… He is also a pagan, devil-worshipping sodomite whom has come only to deceive humanity from the one, true Christ because bubblespreacher77 on YouTube says so.
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:44amAn Atheist Defending Joel Osteen makes Sense ..
Report Post »Jesus did say the world loves its own….
Last-Man-Standing
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 1:39pmSawbuck: Didn’t the Pharisees and the Saducees ridicule Jesus for being a friend to sinners (tax collectors, prostitutes, Roman Centurions, and Samarians)? Sawbuck, you sound like a modern day Saducee. Apparently, your philosophy is, “If the sinners are listening, it must be bad.”
Report Post »My Bible says, “God so loved the world that He gave His Son…” When God loved the world no one was saved, no one was worthy, and no one could come to Him. What good is it to preach the Word if the world isn’t listening?
sawbuck
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 7:17pmLast man standing- I think not..
Report Post »Even Satan can quotes scripture dipstick…
I thought you should know that..
Before you skip arm in arm with him to the gates of hell.
incognito.groucho
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:04amJoel Osteen preaches the Prosperity Gospel yet the Bible says in Mattew 6:19-21
Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
I wonder how the prosperity gospel would go down in a place like Haiti or in the Sudan?
Report Post »SREGN
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 1:50pmGod is holy and cannot stand unpunished sin in his presence. Man is full of sin. Jesus was sinless and took the punishment for all of man’s sins. To be saved one must have enough faith to accept one‘s own hopeless sinfulness and accept Jesus’s atoning death as the only thing that will save him, and then to turn away from wickedness and follow Christ. There is nothing we can do to earn salvation. Jesus did it all. That’s the gospel. Anything other than that is a false gospel. If anyone thinks their good works will earn them a place in Heaven they insult Jesus, and have no hope.
Report Post »hatchetjob
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 5:46pmSREGN, Precisely! That‘s what it’s all about.
Report Post »christianjack
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 8:06pmJerimiah 29:11 it is Gods plan to prosper us and not harm us
Report Post »NSDQ
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:04amJOEL OSTEEN … “According to Osteen, “saved” means having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Salvation, he contended, is reliant upon that tenet. This, he said, paves the way toward a “guarantee of heaven”, this bothers me. Why is it so many preachers/priests cant seen the giant flaw in this? Iets say, One day a millionare of say 90 finds he will soon pass away and his two sons come to take of and be with him in his last days. One night while laying in bed the father overhears his sons talking downstairs, one asks the other “Why did you come here to be with Dad ?” to which the second replies, “Dad has always been there for us, and loved us so much, he’s sacrificed and worked so hard to help us have the things he never had, how could I not be here to love and spend time with him in his last days?”, “That’s such a strange question, but I’ll ask it to you, why did you come here to be with Dad?“ to which the first son replies ”I was afraid that if I didnt I might be cut out of the will” the father’s heart breaks. Love is enough the dangling carrot of heaven is no way to bring people to Christ. Remember MAT 7:22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ , sorry to rant Ive said my piece
Report Post »UpholderOftheConstitution
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:20amI see you have not read the Bible in its entirety or have studied the passages that explicitly show that belief in His saving grace is enough to wash away sins. Let me tell you another little story but this one is actually in the Book you have never read. When Christ was hanging on the cross he was there between two criminals. One refused Him while the other asked to remember him when Christ passed. The one who refused, even though he saw The Son of God dying there, which is more than anyone today can say, still refused that Christ was the Savior of mankind, while the other before he died professed to believe in Him, not because he wanted to do good in the afterlife, but just because he believed in the everlasting life that Christ brought through His sacrifice.
Do you see how moronic your argument is and how baseless it is when put up with the whole Scriptures instead of quoting one verse which is obviously talking about the folks who believe that we have to do enough good works to go to heaven. Which shows that somehow we are in control of our own salvation.
It completely astounds me that their are people who still want to debate and rail on Christians and quote the Bible completely out of context to get their twisted point across. Do me a favor go find a real Christian and sit down with them and talk to them. You find a normal human being who makes mistakes but through Christ their are redeemed. And read the whole Bible and study it, truly study it.
Report Post »NSDQ
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 12:45pmI have over 20 years of biblical study my friend, and you’ve missed my point entirely I was not speaking of forgiveness, faith or grace, but speaking to the “Intent of the heart” if you only worship or seek out Christ because you want to get into heaven (or as Olsteen preaches monetary reward) you are missing the point. and breaking the greatest commandment MAT 22:37‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart &with all your soul &with all your mind” since real love is never conditional or predicated on getting a reward. To live rightly, give of yourself, keep the law,&espouse to live as much like Christ is its own reward. Also You need to read and study more grace alone is not biblical but rather Faith and Works see James (who unlike Paul actually knew Jesus) James 2:18But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”Show me your faith without deeds& I will show you my faith by what I do.19You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that & shudder.20You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless?21Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?22You see that his faith &his actions were working together& his faith was made complete by what he did.23And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, & it was credited to him as righteousness &he was called God’s friend24You see that a person is justified by what he does& not by faith al
Report Post »john vincent
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 1:06pmnsdq
justification by works is ALWAYS before men… THAT THEY MAY SEE…..ie, the works of the redeemed, huge difference. (also, ‘let your light so shine before men, thath THEY may see…’
justification by faith is ALWAYS before GOd. Romans 4.2 explains it perfectly.
God needs to see nothing, man does.
Paul and James agreed, one from heavens viewpoint (paul), another from earths. (james)
get a lease on this truth and you will understand grace
Report Post »NSDQ
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 1:25pmI have over 20 years of biblical study my friend, and you’ve missed my point entirely I was not speaking of forgiveness, faith or grace, but speaking to the “Intent of the heart” if you only worship or seek out Christ because you want to get into heaven (or as Olsteen preaches monetary reward) you are missing the point. and breaking the greatest commandment MAT 22:37‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart &with all your soul &with all your mind” since real love is never conditional or predicated on getting a reward. To live rightly, give of yourself, keep the law,&espouse to live as much like Christ is its own reward.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:04amWhen Cher thinks you’re a great pastor…something’s wrong.
Report Post »revron
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:17amor Oprah
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:26amBingo! this man is a charlatan…. false, fake, frivolous.
Report Post »revron
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:29amJoel Osteen is not a prosperity gospel preacher, he is a user-friendly, or seeker- sensitive preacher. It’s not about what he preaches but what he refuses to preach. Their goal is to present the gospel in a way that won’t offend the masses for fear they might not return. To present the gospel in a non-offensive way means that you have to avoid the foundation of the christian message. Subjects such as the cross, the blood, death to self, repentance, the Holy Spirit and Christ are all avoided for fear some will be offended. Apostle Paul said the “whole Gospel” must be preached, even the uncomfortable parts. The seeker-sensitive bunch is a man-fearing gospel that is more concerned about man‘s favor than God’s. In the process, our concept of God is diminished. Anyone wonder where the awe and fear of God have gone in his church?
“God made man in his image and for 6,000 years, man has tried to return the favor.”
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:38amExactly. Alot of these guys give the “right” anwer about salvation when asked directly. Good luck hearing it from the pulpit. Jesus is a divider, as He said. The Gospel is confrontational. It causes you to have to decide something that is uncomfortable. This is what he glosses over. Yes, God does want us to be “successful” however that is defined. But, first He wants us “repentful”. That’s a hard sale on T.V.
I’m not judging his salvation or christianity, I’m judging his methods and theology. And yes, the Bible says you can judge them things before the biblically ignorant starts crying about judging.
As Gonzo said, if you’re not causing Cher to feel convicted……..
Report Post »revron
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:51amBy the time you take all the hard stuff out of the gospel, it’s no longer the gospel of Christ, but another’s.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 12:20pmRevron, Jesus himself wasn‘t too worried about ’offending’ people, was he? Neither should his followers be. If the truth offends, it‘s not the truth teller’s problem.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 12:41pmRight on Squid, the Bible requires you to judge things.
Report Post »ltemp
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 11:22amByfaith,You continue to deflect the admittance of your own church in changing the day of worship (The Sabbath) to a day never sanctified by God even though the evidence is right before your eyes. Not only do you avoid the proven truth, you accuse me of doing the vary thing you are doing. I know the catholic religion much better than you think I do.
Report Post »This is what the site of the Vatican says (witch they number as ten, by the way):
2175 Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance (replaces that of the sabbath). In Christ’s Passover, Sunday fulfills the spiritual truth of the Jewish sabbath and announces man’s eternal rest in God. For worship under the Law prepared for the mystery of Christ, and what was done there prefigured some aspects of Christ:107
I don’t know how much more I can make this clear for you. Who does this catholic church think they are? When you read the Sabbath commandment what does it say? Remember not replace!
You say that the old testament laws are done away with then it is OK to be an adulterer, or a thief and it’s alright to murder children? You are saying we can forget one commandment but the others have to stay? I did not say that no one goes to heaven or hell and you know that. I said when you DIE. I also said that people did go to heaven if you look at my posts. You are a spiritualist catholic and that’s OK to call me a swine.
NHwinter
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:03amSo much space on the Blaze for a fluff preacher. Feed them too much “feel good Theology” and they forget sin is real and we are responsible for our sins before a Just God.
Report Post »Matt
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:35amYeah but you gotta remember, The Blaze is a business. I guarantee that Joel Osteen paid big bucks for this article, probably well over a million dollars. THAT is why they have an article for him. You gotta remember, there are a lot of christians working at the blaze, but also a lot of atheists, a lot of people who are all over the map really. What brings them together are their political, not their religious beliefs. We have catholics, presbyterians, lutherans, methodists, Assembly of God atendees, Mormons, Atheists, Agnostics, 7th day Adventists, and clearly we have fans of televangelists. I wouldnt be surprised to learn that we have some muslims and buddhists in our midst reading The Blaze as well.
So when it comes down to it, The Blaze will advertise for whichever of those groups will pay it money, because they are not really looking to maintain a purety of gospel truth on their site. No, their truth is political, and very much secular. Glenn himself may be very spiritual on air, but The Blaze as a company, is secular. But on another note, The Blaze is a company, and it will advertise for anyone, so long as it is not violating its core values, which are good politics, and loving others and God. Osteen seems to love his fellow man, and God, so they let him through.
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 10:59amI think I’ll pass on false teachers. I may not be smart enough to catch them all, but I had no trouble picking this guy out.
Report Post »hatchetjob
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 12:05pmSame here.
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 10:53amIf you want your ears “tickled” this is the preacher to see.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:03amThat’s a pretty accurate description.
Report Post »ACTFORCHRIST
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:03amYou could not have said it better! These “Pastors” only care about making people feel good so they will keep coming and keep GIVING! He also never speaks against the evil religion of Islam.
Read ‘The Coming: A True Story Of Horror @ Amazon – Unbelievable!
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:14amI’m not sure what people expect…false doctrin produces false teachers…which in turn produces false religions…for example…A woman I went to highschool with is now a minister…what bible did she get that from???…my bible says, a pastor is to be the HUSBAND of one wife…my sister in law took my other sister in law’s husband of twenty years and now they attend a good old church in N. Carolina, the preacher knowing fully well what they have done..and apparently has forgiven them???…the bible I read says that your sins will be forgivin if you REPENT and walk away from those sins..so I‘m not sure what we expect when we have church leaders like Joel and patrons like today’s christians….Prophecy talks alot abot this….I think I’ll stick with my King James Bible and pray the Lord gives me wisdom to understand!
Report Post »DOra Glasberg
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 12:11pmYou’ll never get to heaven if you break my heart.
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Posted on July 26, 2012 at 12:54pmGodlovingmom
Your bible also says “People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God” (Leviticus 21:17-18)
You good with that too?
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 1:11pmSimple…depends on whether you live by LAWS or grace…that’s the old testament my friend, the new testament is all about grace….we are no longer under the laws of moses since Jesus came.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 1:27pmHe doesn’t know or understand the difference Mom.
Report Post »ltemp
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 3:07pm@simpletruths
Report Post »(Leviticus 21:17-18) The priest represents Jesus in the heavenly sanctuary, who is perfect without blemish, as required by God. The sanctuary was to represent those things which are in heaven and reminds us of a place without sin. Defect represent sin as it entered the world that is why just any good man could not take the place of Jesus. So if you allowed sin in the sanctuary what does this represent? Sin entering the heavenly sanctuary. Which God will not allow.
“we are no longer under the laws of moses since Jesus came.” (This is always a good one.) huh?
Are you saying the Ten commandments no longer apply? No wonder you didn’t understand Leviticus.
godlovinmom
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 3:24pmLtemp…I said we are no longer under the laws of moses…does that mean we don’t follow them…no…that means we will never be without sin…so Jesus and his grace allows to wash away our sins…as white as snow…so following the laws of Moses is all well and good, but Jesus Saves.
Report Post »ltemp
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 3:39pm@godlovnmom
Report Post »Yes, sister I believe you are taking about Justification which is true and you are correct but there is also sanctification through the holy Spirit of the Father and of his Son Jesus. These two, Father and Son, work in bringing about that character of Jesus in you. You live in the spirit of Jesus who loves the law and character of His (our) heavenly Father which are the ten commandments. this will eliminate the cheap grace that these preachers love to sell. It also puts your sinful life back in the grave where it belongs. May you be blessed by our heavenly Father today. :)
godlovinmom
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 3:57pmI truly believe if Jesus lives within you…it will indeed show…fruits and all…I pray my fruits are good enough to lay at his feet…God’s blessings right back at ya!
Report Post »by faith
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 5:17pmWhen you lay your fruits at His feet, there He will see the lies you spread about His Church
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Posted on July 26, 2012 at 5:38pmBy Faith…oh no my friend, I m sorry that your belief in the catholic church is stronger than your belief in Jesus…mine isn’t….there is no way that catholism is Christ’s church…I’d bet my life on it.
Report Post »by faith
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 5:43pmI went to the website you listed.
You really need to broaden your reading base…here is a thought. why don’t you read a sight about the Catholic Church written by a Catholic. (Catholic.com) Then you might learn what Catholics really believe.
Look closely at what 1 Timothy 2:5 really says: Jesus is the only mediator between God and man. Because Jesus was the God-Man, only he can be the Mediator, the one who is between. Between men and the Father, there is the Son. This doesn’t undercut our belief that the saints in heaven intercede for us because these saints, too, are men; they are members of mankind. Thus, we (men) ask them (men, too) to pray to the one Mediator (Jesus) in order to find favor with the Father.
Report Post »Have you ever asked someone to pray for you? All Catholics are doing when they pray to Mary or the saints, is asking a family member to pray for us.
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Posted on July 26, 2012 at 6:02pmInfant Baptism
Do you not know that every Christian Church since the 1st century has Baptized infants.
Report Post »It was not until the 17th Century when the reformers “outlawed” it
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Posted on July 26, 2012 at 6:05pmNuns and priests should not get married.
You obviously don’t know the difference between dogma and disipline.
Report Post »The reasons Latin rite priests can’t marry is both theological and canonical.
Theologically, it may be pointed out that priests serve in the place of Christ and therefore, their ministry specially configures them to Christ. As is clear from Scripture, Christ was not married (except in a mystical sense, to the Church). By remaining celibate and devoting themselves to the service of the Church, priests more closely model, configure themselves to, and consecrate themselves to Christ.
As Christ himself makes clear, none of us will be married in heaven (Mt 22:23–30). By remaining unmarried in this life, priests are more closely configured to the final, eschatological state that will be all of ours.
Paul makes it very clear that remaining single allows one’s attention to be undivided in serving the Lord (1 Cor 7:32–35). He recommends celibacy to all (1 Cor 7:7) but especially to ministers, who as soldiers of Christ he urges to abstain from “civilian affairs” (2 Tm 2:3–4).
Canonically, priests cannot marry for a number of reasons. First, priests who belong to religious orders take vows of celibacy. Second, while diocesan priests do not take vows, they do make a promise of celibacy.
godlovinmom
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 6:12pmokay so if what you say is true and we do confess our sins to a priest and this man says…say five hail marys and your sins are forgiven…who is this man to say my sins are forgiven???…as far as Mary goes, really you want to open that can of worms….once again my friend straight from babylon…ever hear of a guy named nimrod and his lovely wife, semarimis, (sorry about the spelling)…maybe you should take your own advise and broaden your reading…you see I was a catholic and like another poster stated here on this article, “headed straight to hell”…thank God I am found…now do I think all catholics are going to hell…no…I’m not God.
Report Post »by faith
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 6:13pmPeople want to tell us practicing Catholics what we believe.
Their ignorance of our faith is profoundly inaccurate. But don’t confuse them with the facts, they have their mind made up.
All Catholics are the same to them or it’s not the people in the pews, it’s the leaders who are corrupt.
These so called Christians never promote our commonality; they only focus on un-provable urban legends.
Please, just for a laugh, go to Catholic.com and in the search bar type in Babylon. You might be surprised to find just how wrong you are about the Catholic church
Report Post »ltemp
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 6:13pm@byfaith
Report Post »You have a problem. How does this work? If you are praying to saints you are praying to men whom are not God. Jesus ask that we pray to the father through him. The Father tells us to worship His son. Where does the bible say we worship or pray to anything or anyone else? Paul told those who tried to worship him not to. Jesus lived a perfect life. in the book of Romans it says everyone has fallen short (do not qualify). The only mediator is Jesus the son of God the Father. I think you need to broaden your understanding of the gospel. You are very much mistaken if you feel you need anything or anyone between you and Jesus. My sister is pointing out what is true we lay up our treasures of love in heaven. Do not busy yourself with created idols and listen to her words of faith and worship of the true God. There is no Catholic church in heaven or any other denomination just Jesus.
godlovinmom
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 6:24pmI think…some catholics don’t know what they believe and what they worship…I believe you do read your bible and are good at quotin scripture…and I would LOVE to pick apart your agruement…but alas…I have already spent WAY TOO MUCH time on the blaze today…you will support what you believe and I will too…believe me when I say…I don’t like any organized religion…all man made…therefore all are false…so not just picking on catholics…but just a side note… the catholic church has killed more christians in the name of Christ than any other religion including muslims…the dark ages/reformation was rough on true believers…God Bless my friend.
Report Post »john vincent
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 6:31pmby faith
there is not enough time or space to address your concerns- try to leave your emotion at the door, and cast aside reasoning, you need some discernment-
Paul spent years of countering false doctrine; in Galatians he WITHSTOOD PETER TO THE FACE for being a hypocrite. Rather odd for a single man (Paul) to rebuke the alleged first pope; (peter-married) kind of knocks out the idea of papal infallibility. Paul wrote most of the New Testament, and had a handle on truth that Peter had no clue. Even, Peter argued with God regarding his call to visit Cornelius and fam; and by the way, they were brought to God LONG before water baptism,HAVING THEIR HEARTS PURIFIED THROUGH FAITH.
You are not being honest if you hold the view that the CC is the True church, and claim to believe God’s word at the same time; for your catechisms teach you that ‘in matters of disputation and faith, the doctrine of infallibility overrules God’s word…’ Get this? May I remind you of the above events in Galatians where Peter was put in his place. Now then, who today, has the authority to do that? to rebuke the pope? There are hundreds of egregious errors I could show you, but it seems your mind is made up, set as a flint as it were. Paul and James agreed as to justification by faith and works, with Romans 4.2 explaining perfectly to a humble heart. If you would have chosen Paul as the first pope, that would have been better; still just as wrong, but better. Shalom
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Posted on July 26, 2012 at 6:33pmLtemp
When you ask your friend or family member to pray for you, does that mean you worship them?
Do you think your Aunt Bess here on earth praying for you is more powerful than the prayers of a righteous man in heaven? Because the Bible says it is not.
The book of Maccabees and the book of Revelations both refer to those in Heaven offering the prayers of those still on earth to the Lord.
“everyone has fallen short” prayers to those in heaven are not prayers to those who have fallen short, they are prayers to those who are in the Glory of God.
If you had a friend you wanted to do something for you, you would ask him correct. If you knew his mother you would also ask her to talk to her son would you not. Jesus loves His mother. His first miracle was at her request. He didn’t want to, but after she asked Him to, water into wine.
She said, “Do whatever He tells you to”
Idols? If I walk into your house would I see pictures of your relatives? By your standard, you are creating idols.
Report Post »The only thing your sister is pointing out is her complete lack of knowledge of what Catholic believe.
You are correct about no Church in Heaven.
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Posted on July 26, 2012 at 6:37pmYes, you would love to, but you can’t
sign off with one more unprovable lie. I beg you to visit Catholic.com.
Report Post »If you are right, what are you afraid of? I went to your site.
ltemp
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 7:12pm@byfaith
Report Post »Please brother take a breath. I too was raised under the Catholic system. I too found the truth of the gospel as this sister(which is not a church). Again you have a problem, the dead are not in heaven or hell or any place but dead ( that is what dead is) ( dead!). I know that you believe after you die you float gently up to heaven to meet those you have asked to pray for you but they are dead like you when you die(dead!) lucky no body goes to hell (fire brimstone little red devils poking you in the rear) which is to come (that would be the second death). The bible says the dead know nothing (that makes sense, they are after all, dead!). If you were to go to Abraham’s grave and dig it up you would find Abraham just as they buried him (dead!). Who are you praying to or who are you asking to pray? It’s real nice to think everyone is in heaven ( all Catholics) but is this really biblical. I don’t have pictures of dead people on my walls. I pray to the Father through the Son not to pictures, clay things, wood, metal or created things. These are idols (created things).
Read for your self.
ltemp
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 7:26pmSo sorry you left I thought we could talk a little about the Sabbath. :(
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 10:31pmThe TRUE church are those who’s names are written in the book of life …there is no space provided for the church one attended.
Report Post »by faith
Posted on July 27, 2012 at 9:16amJohn,
Let’s start with you. All I need to respond to you is your own words. You told me to cast aside reasoning. By this are you admitting there is no reasoning in your explanation. Paul did rebuke Peter. He also traveled to get Peter’s approval. I did not pick Peter as the first Pope, Jesus did. Your problem is with Him not me. You argue about being purified by faith, you even capitalize it for enfaces. But later you say it is by faith and works.
As simple as I can make it.
Jesus chose 12 men to be his Apostles.
For approximately 3 years he taught and groomed these men.
He taught them in more detail than when He spoke to the public.
Not everything Jesus told them was recorded
He told Peter he wanted to build a church and the gates of hell would not prevail against it
He gave Peter the “keys to the Kingdom”
He gave the 11 remaining Apostles the power to bind and to loose
After His death and resurrection, Jesus appeared to hundreds of people but mostly to the Apostles
The Holy Spirit came upon the Apostles, opened their minds and gave them courage
As Jesus had instructed them, they went out and preached.
He said to the disciples, “Anyone who accepts your message is also accepting me. And anyone who rejects you is rejecting me. And anyone who rejects me is rejecting God, who sent me.”
The Catholic Church is the only Christian Church in existence today that can trace an unbroken lineage to these men and the Church Jesus promised.
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Posted on July 27, 2012 at 9:29amLTEMP
Report Post »Why do you assume I need to take a breath? You were raised Catholic? Then why are you ignorant as to what the Catholic Church teaches?
Jesus said to Peter “on this rock I will build my CHURCH”…Jesus wanted to build His CHURCH. You said truth is not found in church. Interesting, you know better than Jesus same as John Vincent thinking he could pick a better first pope.
“the dead are not in heaven or hell or any place but dead ( that is what dead is) ( dead!).” “lucky no body goes to hell” Are you sure you a Christian?
“It’s real nice to think everyone is in heaven ( all Catholics)” This is where your lack of reading skills becomes a problem. Can you show me where I said only Catholics go to heaven?
Why is it so hard for you to understand? I will type these words again. Catholics do no pray to pictures, statues or anything else.
by faith
Posted on July 27, 2012 at 9:40amGodlovinmom
The Priest does not forgive sin. As a former Catholic you should know this. Jesus breathed on the Apostles and said “Whatever you bind on earth is bound in Heaven…” The Apostles later breathed on their followers and passed on this obligation and so on and so on until the priest in my local parish who was conferred these same words. Only Jesus can forgive sins.
By the way. mom and Ltemp did you send a written request to your local Bishop to have yourself removed as a Catholic? Because if not then you are still Catholic.
Report Post »by faith
Posted on July 27, 2012 at 9:52amPaul wrote:
Report Post »1 Timothy 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou may know how thou should to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
But you said there was no church.
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Posted on July 27, 2012 at 9:53amSince Paul says there was a church in the 1st century, what did this church look like?
Report Post »“All who dwell in the city or country gather in the same place. The memoir of the apostles and the writings of the prophets are read, as much as time permits. When the reader is finished, he who presides over those gathered admonishes and challenges them to imitate these beautiful things. Then we all rise together and offer prayers for ourselves…and for all others, wherever they may be, so that we may be found righteous by our life and actions and faithful to the commandments, so as to obtain eternal salvation. When the prayers are concluded we exchange the kiss [of peace]. Then someone brings bread and a cup of water and wine mixed together to him who presides over the brethren. He takes them and offers praise and glory to the Father of the universe, through the name of the Son and of the Holy Spirit and for a considerable time he gives thanks that we have been judged worthy of these gifts. When he has concluded the prayers and thanksgivings, all present give voice to an acclamation by saying: Amen.” When he who presides has given thanks and the people have responded, those whom we call deacons give to those present the ‘eucharisted’ bread, wine and water and take them to those who are absent.”
Quoting Justin Martyr “First Apology” pages: 65-67 written: 155AD
(that would be almost 19 CENTURIES ago)
Sound like a Catholic Mass to me.
by faith
Posted on July 27, 2012 at 10:23amChrist is the Truth.
Report Post »The Church is his Pillar and Bulwark.
The Bible was not around for more than 300 years, and the printing press came much later.
The Church collected, compiled and approved the Bible.
Jesus left us His Church the Bible came later.
ltemp
Posted on July 27, 2012 at 12:20pm@byfaith
Report Post »oh my! yes take a breath,
“The Church collected, compiled and approved the Bible.”
So the Church is the keeper of all truth? I thought Jesus is the truth?
“Then why are you ignorant as to what the Catholic Church teaches?”
More like awakened to a false system of truth this church teaches.
You are very passionate about defending the traditions of men before the Gospel of God.
Let me ask you this, did the Catholic church change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday? This will require you to look at your catechism.
by faith
Posted on July 27, 2012 at 12:38pmAgain your reading skills fail you.
“So the Church is the keeper of all truth?” the last post starts with “Christ is the Truth”.
I’ll type this slow so you can keep up: The Sabbath is on Saturday.
Report Post »by faith
Posted on July 27, 2012 at 12:43pmDid the early Church move the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday?
This is a common misunderstanding. Catholics do not worship on the Sabbath, which according to Jewish law is the last day of the week (Saturday), when God rested from all the work he had done in creation (Gen. 2:2-3). Catholics worship on the Lord’s Day, the first day of the week (Sunday, the eighth day); the day when God said “Let there be light” (Gen. 1:3); the day when Christ rose from the dead; the day when the Holy Spirit came upon the Apostles (Day of Pentecost). The Catechism of the Catholic Church says: “The Church celebrates the day of Christ’s Resurrection on the ‘eighth day,’ Sunday, which is rightly called the Lord’s Day”
The early Church did not move the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Instead “The Sabbath, which represented the completion of the first creation, has been replaced by Sunday, which recalls the new creation inaugurated by the Resurrection of Christ”. Sunday is the day Catholics are bound to keep, not Saturday.
On the first day of the week when we gathered to break bread, Paul spoke to them because he was going to leave on the next day, and he kept on speaking until midnight-Acts 20:7
Report Post »On the first day of the week each of you should set aside and save whatever one can afford, so that collections will not be going on when I come-1 Cor.16:2
Let no one, then, pass judgment on you in matters of food and drink or with regard to a festival or new moon or Sabbath-Col. 2
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Posted on July 27, 2012 at 12:53pmLTemp-erarrily insane
I wish I could continue this conversation with you, but I’ve got to go.
Nobody is in Heaven and no one goes to hell? That one still makes me scratch my head.
Catholic.com can answer any question you have about the Catholic church.
I leave you with a blessing and wish you peace…in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit
Report Post »by faith
Posted on July 27, 2012 at 12:59pmyou do realize that you tell people to take a breath when they are TALKING too much or too fast.
It doesn’t really apply when a person is TYPING.
and now I exhale
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on July 27, 2012 at 2:23pmBy Faith…no friend I did not send a request to my local bishop…I answer to NO MAN…no that does not mean I still belong to the Catholic church…I was baptized as an infant..therefore my testamony is void…how as an infant can I give my life over to Christ…can you make a conscious decision like that as an infant…think not buddy…and your parents CAN NOT do it for you….as for the priest forgiving sins…so after your “confession” do they give you penance???…why??…seriously buddy you practice your false religion all you want…me…no thanks!…No where in the bible does it say to pray to Mary…you know catholic women’s mediator…even Jesus said she was just a woman…we can go round and round about catholism all day, like yesterday, you WILL NOT convince me to go back to the abmoniation called the catholic church….NO WAY
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Posted on July 27, 2012 at 2:28pmPS…quite honestly I think you are no better than Mr. Osteen, trying to lead people to a false gospel and church…good luck with that.
Report Post »ltemp
Posted on July 27, 2012 at 2:38pm@byfaith
Report Post »You are so full of anger.
Why did you not answer the question?
Because the Catholic church did change the day of worship. Even your catechism admits it.
Your church leaders brag and laugh about how the protestants are clueless.
The Sabbath is Saturday. In fact is the root word of almost every language for Saturday is (Sabbath).
You say that people float up to heaven or sink into hell but why does the bible say the dead know nothing? isn’t that a problem for you spiritualist.
If we are to be like Jesus who did float up to heaven (body included) as witnessed by the apostle then why is everyone else ( that would be dead people)see through floaty people.
The prophets that have gone to heaven have gone with there bodies, not as ghosts.
So there are two different people up in heaven floaty and body people? (you say I am kooky?)
The only people you can say with proof that went to heaven are those who were witnessed to go to heaven. You are saying without proof that when you die you go to heaven.
Where in the bible does it say after you die you go straight to heaven or down to hell?
An other point when did Jesus go to church? ON THE SABBATH!
WHY DOES GOD TELL US TO REMEMBER THE FOURTH COMMANDMENT?
Because the Catholic church was going to try to change it!
I’m sorry if you got your pointy fish hat on backwards but you need to step out of Babylon.
ltemp
Posted on July 27, 2012 at 3:07pmbyfaith
Report Post »I think you are sincere in your understanding of God and if I have been a little hard on you forgive me. It’s not like I know everything. I am still learning, however we have the internet now and you just cant lock up scripture in the cellars of a monastery like the good old days. The old Idea of thinking you can control people by what the Church thinks is true, are gone. The moment you say something, someone else is googling it. Fact checking killed the control of a few, gone are those days, just ask the reporters of the major news media. ( sorry about the pointy fish hat comment) they do look like fish heads though you got to admit that.
godlovinmom
Posted on July 27, 2012 at 3:30pmLtemp…totally agree with you man…anger is not good…sometimes I can come off like that myself…Jesus is so good to me that I LOVE to talk about HIM…not a religion….gets us all off track, don’t it?
Report Post »ltemp
Posted on July 27, 2012 at 3:46pm@Godluvinmom
Report Post »Amen,
You are a good example of most of who are on the Blaze. I know that we are all at different places in our walk to the truth and there is no need to be too passionate about defending my Idea of what the truth is as I understand it. It is more about who the truth is. You have been inspiring to me in your sincerity for Jesus. The truth.
Thank You.
godlovinmom
Posted on July 27, 2012 at 4:53pmahhhh…you just made my day…I often get beat up by friends and family and posters on the blaze…. all due to my opinions and beliefs…as Jesus said would happen…..keep walking with Jesus my friend.
Report Post »ltemp
Posted on July 27, 2012 at 5:40pmHmm, (“The Church celebrates the day of Christ’s Resurrection on the ‘eighth day,’ ) the eight day???? Did the catholic church just create another day???? Sunday is the first day and the eighth day????? This is completely new to me. Now the church tells the world when to worship, but has the ability to create days for God. Let’s look at what the catechism says;
Report Post »We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.”
Peter Geiermann, The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine (1946 ed.), p.50. Geiermann received the “apostolic blessing” of Pope Pius X on his labors, January 25, 1910.
“by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday.
” The Catholic Mirror, official organ of Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893.
Here is another good one:
“If protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath Day, that is Saturday. In keeping Sunday they are following a law of the Catholic Church.” Albert Smith, chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, replying for the cardinal in a letter of Feb. 10, 1920.
I don’t need to hear from the POPE. He is a man just like me and you.
Do you see what I mean there is no where to hide from the truth of the bible.
The internet makes it so easy to find who lies and who is not.
I am sorry right from you leaders mouths they admit the bible holds the Sabbath day of worship is Saturday.
ltemp
Posted on July 27, 2012 at 6:31pmbyfaith
state of the dead:
Psalms 6:3-5 My soul is also sore vexed: but thou, O LORD, how long? Return, O LORD, deliver my soul: oh save me for thy mercies’ sake. For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?
Psalms 115:17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.
Psalms 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish
Ecclesiastes 9:5,6 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
Sorry this is too easy, check your bible. Get out of Babylon!!!!!!
Report Post »I confess: Idid always what to ware one of those pointy fish hats.
ltemp
Posted on July 27, 2012 at 6:45pmbyfaith
Just thought you might want more evidence, sense you like scripture:
Isaiah 38:18-19, “For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth. The living, the living, he shall praise thee, as I do this day: the father to the children shall make known thy truth.”
Psalms 13:3 Consider and hear me, O LORD my God: lighten mine eyes, lest I sleep the sleep of death;
John 11:11-14 …Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
John 11:23,24 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
Job 14:12 So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep.
Report Post »I guess there are no shadowy people in heaven.
They need a body as evidence they have risen like their Savior.
If you want to be Casper the friendly ghost I‘m just say’in.
ltemp
Posted on July 27, 2012 at 6:57pmThe website that took me two seconds to Google is
Report Post »http://www.remnantofgod.org/immortal.htm
I don’t know this web site I picked it from random.
I don’t know what else to tell ya.
Just don’t get me started on that whole trinity doctrine three headed god stuff.
ltemp
Posted on July 27, 2012 at 7:46pmbyfaith
Report Post »http://www.john1429.org/video/Sabbath/Sabbath.html
ltemp
Posted on July 27, 2012 at 10:22pmWell Padre you waited me out.
The Sabbath is almost here and you know those of us who still follow the fourth commandment worship on sundown Friday to sundown on Saturday just like the Jews. I really like the Jews they are good people. Many of the apostles were Jewish and they kept the Sabbath. Surprising I know, you would think that Jesus would have said “after I leave you make sure people are worshiping on Sunday and scribble out that fourth commandment.” must be in Maccabees somewhere, right?
May the one true God the Father and His only son Jesus Christ bless you byfaith-guy.
Report Post »by faith
Posted on July 28, 2012 at 8:54pmLTEMP
Sorry for the delay in responding. I unlike you have a life away from the Blaze
Lets set the tone by getting one thing straight. You claim several times that I am angry.
Well that says more about you than me. I know my own state of mind and if your lack of reading skills lead you to think that I am angry, then how can I believe anything you say you read.
Secondly, I give you 5 different reference to the early church meeting on Sunday. Four of those are from the NEW testement books and one was from Justin Martyr…You respond with what you think is proof. well you might want to use the internet to look up the word proof or evidence. Of course if you only use the OLD testement you will see worship held on Saturday. The first response I gave you said the Sabbath was and still is on Saturday. You quote the Old testement and think you have done something? I laughed out load when I read that.
Lastly, and I know I am wasting my time trying to reason with you, but Jesus told the “good thief” today you will be with me in paradise” You are calling Jesus a liar, because you say there is no heaven.
My heart is filled with pitty for you. Seriously you need professional help.
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Posted on July 28, 2012 at 9:27pm“Let no one, then, pass judgment on you in matters of food and drink or with regard to a festival or new moon or Sabbath”-Col. 2
You can read that can’t you? It is from the NEW TESTEMENT. Go read the whole book, I want to make sure you read it in context.
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Posted on July 28, 2012 at 9:31pmWhy does it suprise me you think you know better than Paul, You think you know better than Jesus.
Seriously, get help
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Posted on July 28, 2012 at 9:50pmI know you think you discovered something with your use of the internet.
Just so you know not everything on the internet is true.
It only took you a short time to find what you found. It only took me 30 seconds to find out Bigfoot is real, Aliens really do exist and Elvis is living in South America with Hitler.
The internet makes it real easy to find exactly what you are looking for.
Report Post »You think you can find out what the Catholic Church teaches by only going to a non-Catholic site?
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Posted on July 29, 2012 at 1:04amByfaith
Report Post »I had a wonderful Sabbath. thank you, I know you’ve been concerned. We talked about Jesus, we sang songs , we prayed and shared with each other the love Our Father in heaven has blessed us with. My church family loves me so much and we share everything. We spend the whole day praising and loving God. You know the Sabbath is sundown to sundown. not an hour to collect the money.
So, I’m curious what happens at mass these days? Do you still make that upside down cross over your self? Do you still pass out the wafer?
Did you read who changed the fourth commandment. You don’t want to address that because it breaks the commandment.
I love your personal attacks that means you don’t have an argument. I have to let you know you are not dealing with a little alter boy or a mother escaping from your lies.
“Let no one, then, pass judgment on you in matters of food and drink or with regard to a festival or new moon or Sabbath”-Col. 2
Padre can you tell me were some feast days called sabbath s?
You know the answer.
What about the scriptures on the state of the dead oh wise man of scripture. Did you forget to answer those?
If you want to believe the lies already exposed that’s OK by me I love the Sabbath. Worship your man-god on earth.When Jesus breaks through those clouds don‘t tell me I didn’t try to warn you.
Peace man.
ltemp
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 2:24amthis is from your holy site of salvation Catholic.com
Report Post »In ancient Judaism the sabbath was from sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday. If Sunday is the Christian sabbath, should we celebrate it from sundown on Saturday to sundown on Sunday?
Sunday is often spoken of as “the Christian sabbath,” but this is not a technical description. Sunday is not a strict replacement for the sabbath (which has been abolished), but a day the Church instituted to fulfill a parallel function.
Who abolished it (the forth commandment)?
I couldn’t even find the fourth commandment on your most holy roman site of mary.
I had to go to the internet where Bigfoot, aliens and all the other crazy info is. Here it is I’ll paste it for you slowly.
4.Remember the Sabbath day, and keep it holy. For six days you shall labor and do all your work. But the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your G-d; you shall not do any work-you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns. For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and consecrated it.
Notice that it say’s “REMEMBER”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you know what I did ????? I went to your Papa’s web site. isn’t that cool I almost want to start worshiping Mary. This is what Papa says, the fourth commandment is, ready for this Padre?
Honor your father and mother??? isn’t that the 5th
by faith
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 10:32amLTEMP
Report Post »I like how you don’t address at all how I keep proving you are wrong. When faced with the truth you just ignore it and move to a different attack.
Thanks for the definition on the Sabbath. Since my first post concerning the Sabbath was unclear to you? “The Sabbath was and is on Saturday” I can see where that might have confused you.
“I’m curious what happens at mass these days?” Again you display you lack of reading skills. I already posted what happens at mass these days and it is the same as the mass that was described by Justin Martyr in 155AD. I also gave you 4 other New Testament references that show the Christian church has always worshiped on Sunday.
Upside down cross? Another blatant lie on your part.
Passing out wafers? Yes we Catholics still distribute communion as Jesus commanded at the last supper. He said “Do this in remembrance of me”. Do you not have communion at your “church”? No you don’t.
Not all of the laws found in the Old Testament are part of the natural law, and those which are not part of the natural law—e.g., the obligation to worship on Saturday—were only ever binding on the Jews. Christians are not bound by them. Since Jesus was resurrected from the dead on Sunday, it makes sense for Christians to set aside Sunday for worship. The earliest Christians did this.
by faith
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 10:33amAnd your statement that Catholics invented a new day, the 8th day. How is the 8th day a new day and more than today is the 211th day of the year and tomorrow is the 212th. By your “logic” I just invented a new day.
Report Post »“you are not dealing with a little alter boy or a mother” I love this response. It gives a great insight into your mind. Are you saying because you are a man you are naturally a stronger mental adversary than an altar boy or a woman? A few years ago WWJD was everywhere. What would Jesus do? Jesus would love his mother, not only to you insult Jesus’ mother, you denigrate all woman.
“Let no one, then, pass judgment on you in matters of food and drink or with regard to a festival or new moon or Sabbath”-Col. 2 – Padre can you tell me were some feast days called sabbath is? I must admit this one stumps me. Sabbath – Saturday – the day you and Jews worship? Paul is telling the Colossians not to let ANYONE pass judgment on them for eating non-Kosher foods and worshiping on Sunday instead of Saturday. You worship on the Sabbath, but do you also follow kosher eating requirements? No you don’t because the bible says we no longer are require to. By the way that was a decision the first pope made. You follow Peters teaching on what foods you can eat right?
Please explain to me how Jesus was wrong. He told the “good thief” today you will be with me in paradise, but you say there is no one is heaven and “luckily no one goes to hell
by faith
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 10:39amThe only lies exposed are yours, so no I do not choose to believe them.
God’s commandments as recorded in Deuteronomy 5:6–21 and Exodus 20:2–17 seem to add up to more than ten, so it is not perfectly clear how their numbering is to be reckoned. You are fixated on the number 4. Do I really need to again explain how the first Christians worshiped on Sunday because Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament with his death and resurrection? We now have a new testament and the followers of Jesus worship on Sunday. You base your entire argument on REMEMBER the Sabbath, yet you do not recognize what happens in the life of Jesus. You do not follow all of the old or New Testament…but I belong to a man-made religion.
I just clicked. I now believe everything you believe.
I will only worship from sundown of Friday to sundown of Saturday and I will no longer believe I or anyone else goes to heaven. If is a good thing “no one goes to hell”.
Wait now I’m confused again if no one goes to hell, then why are you so concerned about my “false religion”? It doesn’t matter what I or anyone else believes, when we die, we are “just dead” nothing happens.
Worship as you wish, just stop lying about my faith.
Debating with you is like trying to herd cats. Christ says, “do not throw your pearls before swine (Mt 7:6).
I looked into the future…not one word of what I said will penetrate your closed mind
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Posted on July 26, 2012 at 10:51amFalse Teacher, Enough said.
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Posted on July 27, 2012 at 8:15pmby faith, (sorry beloved to piggy back!)
once more, u show your shallow interpretation-
2 Cor. 10. 5- I told u to cast down reasonings (imaginations),
please do not confuse that with a God given brain-
God wants u to reason with HIM, THAT u are not doing.
u did not address the papal infallibility issue at all- Paul rebuked the ALLEGED first pope,
your pick, not mine, and certainly not GOd’s
There is onle ONE HEAD of the church….
Paul was single-Peter was married- u did not address that-
u do quote scripture, but guess what>> the devil does just a good a job as u. YOu can hide behind the machinery of a man made system, but u cannot persuade spirit taught souls that the CC is the true church- adios and shalom
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Posted on July 28, 2012 at 9:19pmWow, JV, do you not know how to respond to the proper thread. I almost didn’t see you hiding your
Report Post »“u show your shallow interpretation-2 Cor. 10. 5- I told u to cast down reasonings (imaginations),”
So now I am responsible for your lack of communication skills.
You misquote scripture and I am supposed to know what you meant?
God wants u to reason with HIM, THAT u are not doing. Make up your mind. Am I suppose to use reason of “Cast aside reason” Do you normally argu with yourself?
Paul rebuked Peter was a question about papal infallibilty? You really need to learn how to communicate better.
The Pope is infallible when officially ruling on church dogma. It does not mean he is never wrong.
He is after all still a man who makes mistakes and sometime errs.
“your pick, not mine, and certainly not GOd’s” really, my pick. I was there 2,000 years ago to make this pick of first Pope. There is a list of Pope’s available on the internet, google it.
Jesus is the Head and the we are the Body.
Paul was single-Peter was married- u did not address that- Yes.
What do you think that proves? Oh wait I am suppose to be able to understand what you want without you having to say it. There have been thousands of married priest over the years, even today we have some priest who are married. But I wouldn’t expect you to know that, because you know nothing about the Catholic Church. Catholic.com can answer all your questions. But I am sure you are comfortab
ltemp
Posted on July 29, 2012 at 1:30am(Sorry john, you can see who has manners and who doesn’t, excuse me also for stepping in you space, this guy need to go back to his cloister)
Report Post »You say that you aren’t angry but your favorite attack is personal.
If your not angry you must be possessed.
Maybe Mary can help you.
Dude, nobody is falling for that whole bring your family here to spend some time with our priests in dark places, its safe now.
Get over it. You got your beads and Mary go do your thing.you aren’t fooling anyone.
bye bye
by faith
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 9:44amLTEMP
First Godlovinmom attackes the Catholic Church and then you chime in with your complete ignorance as to what the Catholic Church teaches…I point out that you are both wrong and give you the correct church teaching. That makes me the person who is attacking? You lie and I correct you, that makes me possessed? How very Obama of you. Start the conversation with a lie and when you are proven to be a liar, accuse me of being angry and possessed.
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Posted on July 30, 2012 at 11:39ambyfaith (again sorry beloved)
Report Post »You like to post insult after insult instead of considering anyone else’s point as being valid. You think that your perspective is the only perspective just as your church professes there is NO salvation outside of your church. This is not biblical and Luther proved it many years ago. You think we all missed the truth about your church? It’s spelled out in Revelations. Your anger comes out in your post and you refusal to allow anyone else s point to be valid. I admit I was making light of your beliefs and I apologize. It is not you (personally) that I attack it is the corrupt system you believe in. Again I apologize to you. Please forgive me. If you believe in Jesus then you must not allow yourself to spiritualize the context of the bible. Please do not believe the same lie that Satan has told us from the beginning that we will live forever. that we are a source of life within. This is a lie. The only source of life comes from God. Satan does not and will not live forever.
by faith
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 11:40amJohn
http://www.catholic.com/node/5330/7184
I’m sure you don’t want to listen to all 54 minutes, skip to 4:05
Explanation of infallibility, people with different opinions than the Pope, reason Paul picks Peter to rebuke in the first place.
Paul rebuked Peter, but did Peter agree with Paul’s rebuke?
I completely understand why you need Peter no not be the first head of a church created by Jesus. you do not want to accept the Churches authority, but whose authority do you follow. The Bible? Well the Bible (which books belong and which did not belong) was authorized by the Catholic Church in aroung 357AD. The Bible did not drop out of the sky or materialize for followers to believe in. The Church’s authority approved the books. Luther 1,500 years later decided to edit or remove 11 books. Do you follow his authority? Where did his authority come from?
Report Post »The Catholic Church is the only Christian church in existance today that can even remotely claim to trace it’s beginnings to Jesus and the Apostles. Your church or non-church got it’s authority from where? Can you show me where in the Bible your church is?
by faith
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 11:58ammore lies from LTEMP…The Catholic church DOES NOT teach there is no salvation outside the church. Remember that Jesus said from the cross, “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do” (Lk 23:34). What did his sacrifice on the cross have to do with those who mocked him, spit at him, and crucified him? In other words, what did it have to do with those for whom he was asking forgiveness from God the Father? The answer is: everything. For some, it was through ignorance that they crucified him, and invincible ignorance can diminish one’s culpability for evil done—even the crucifixion of our Savior. They still could be saved, or Jesus’ plea for their forgiveness to the Father would make no sense. Whoever enters heaven will do so only because of Christ and his sacrificial work on the cross. Some people may enter heaven having never heard of Christ, but it will be because of him that they enter. That is Catholic teaching. That is twice you claim I believe only Catholics go to heaven…now it is twice I correct you.
Report Post »Luther? Where in the Bible does it say 1,500 years after Jesus started His church a man will come along to fix it?
I don’t think you missed the truth about the church, (again wrong) I think you see the truth, but refuse to accept it, because you do not want to accept the Churches authority.
by faith
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 12:02pmAllowing for valid points? Make one and I will allow for it. Did we not agree on when the Sabbath was. Yes we did, you again twist the conversation to fit your narrative.
I accept your apology, I am too sorry you were offended by my attempts to correct your misunderstanding of the Catholic Church. Human nature calls for us to automatically assume someone is attacking us when they point out our errors. I assure you none of my post where in anger. But of course you would read them that way, it is only natural. When a parent or teacher corrects a child who is in error, they think the teacher hates them too.
Satan did not say we would live forever, Jesus did.
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Posted on July 30, 2012 at 12:15pmLTEMP
I do not know what your religious persuasion is, to be honest I really don’t care.
But how would you feel if I came on this website and said all the people a LTEMP’s church believe Jesus was actually Satan and only those who worship of Wednesday can go to heaven?
Would you not correct me?
Report Post »I assume my incorrect statements would be so far from the truth that you would question my sanity also.
ltemp
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:14pmYou are quite an interesting fellow. AKA Jesuit
Report Post »After I extend an offering of peace you slap it out of my hand.
You are a bitter, spiteful, and lost soul.
I am sorry for you and I will pray for you.
In the day of judgment we will see who is right.
Believe me I will be looking for you and all the lost you will be responsible for.
Satan will not live in eternity, just like those who teach this lie will not live in eternity.
This was a lie from the beginning.
You are a serpent and poison everyone with your Vatican lies.
The Son will not be long in coming, your time is short.
by faith
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:01pmJesuit? Nope. Wrong again.
I slapped your hand? Where? You really need to take a reading comprehension class.
REPOST: I am too sorry you were offended by my attempts to correct your misunderstanding of the Catholic Church Human nature calls for us to automatically assume someone is attacking us when they point out our errors. I assure you none of my post where in anger. But of course you would read them that way, it is only natural. When a parent or teacher corrects a child who is in error, they think the teacher hates them too.
I hope you are looking for me on the day of judgement, because I will not give you a second thought on that day. Could be just your pride speaking, though
The Son is coming that much is true, but what is he coming for? The dead are dead, no one is in heaven and no one goes to hell, except me?
Your heartfelt appology rings hollow with your latest response
Report Post »When you mature as an adult and as a Christian, one day you will see your pride and arrogance are misplace belief in yourself. Then your childish reasoning will grow into adult reasoning.
ltemp
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:38pmYou are arrogant and boastful you are the product of your father who is and was a lair from the beginning.
Report Post »ltemp
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:40pmYour days are numbered as are your fathers.
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Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:41pmI my have corrected your errrors, but you have proven to not be very Christian.
Grow up
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Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:47pm20+ times I corrected your error 0 – times you have corected anything I had in error
0 times I have made unsupported accusations about you or your faith
I lost count of all of your unsupported accusations.
Report Post »ltemp
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:59pmGenesis 3:4, “And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:”
Report Post »Malachi 4:1,3
For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do [this], saith the LORD of hosts.
Ezekiel 28:17-18, “Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.”
Revelation 20:9
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
The wages of sin is DEATH. But the gift of God [is] eternal LIFE through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23
ltemp
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:04pmI furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants’ heads against the walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poniard or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of Jesus.
Report Post »Your faith and you fathers
ltemp
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:07pmQuestion —From whither do you come? Answer — The Holy faith.
Q. —Whom do you serve?
A. —The Holy Father at Rome, the Pope, and the Roman Catholic Church Universal throughout the world.
Q. —Who commands you?
A. —The Successor of St. Ignatius Loyola, the founder of the Society of Jesus or the Soldiers of Jesus Christ.
Q. —Who received you? A. —A venerable man in white hair.
Q. —How?
A. —With a naked dagger, I kneeling upon the cross beneath the banners of the Pope and of our sacred order.
Q. —Did you take an oath?
A. —I did, to destroy heretics and their governments and rulers, and to spare neither age, sex nor condition. To be as a corpse without any opinion or will of my own, but to implicitly obey my Superiors in all things without hesitation of murmuring.
Q. —Will you do that? A. —I will.
Q. —How do you travel? A. —In the bark of Peter the fisherman.
Q. —Whither do you travel? A. —To the four quarters of the globe.
Q. —For what purpose?
A. —To obey the orders of my general and Superiors and execute the will of the Pope and faithfully fulfill the conditions of my oaths.
Q. —Go ye, then, into all the world and take possession of all lands in the name of the Pope. He who will not accept him as the Vicar of Jesus and his Vice-regent on earth, let him be accursed and exterminated.”
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Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:12pmMembership in the Militia means complete dedication to the Kingdom of God and to the salvation of souls through Mary Immaculate.” -Pope John Paul II
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Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:14pmGalatians 4:4-5, “But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.”
Report Post »Mary was a sinner
ltemp
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:19pmDo they preach Jesus when they GLORIFY Mary as Co-Redeemer?
Report Post »Do they preach Jesus when their priestly ambassadors of Jesus are drunks, smokers, child molesters, thieves, and murderers?
Do they preach Jesus while killing 500 million Christians during the dark ages?
Do they preach Jesus while placing tradition over and above the Scripture?
Do they preach Jesus when they teach of Purgatory instead of Salvation in Jesus?
Do they preach Jesus when teaching you must suffer to be saved, making the cross insufficient?
Do they preach Jesus while going to man for forgiveness instead of God Almighty?
Do they preach Jesus when the Pope says “Evolution is fact” making Jesus the Creator a liar?
Do they preach Jesus when they teach gambling is acceptable Christ-like activity.
Do they preach Jesus when the Pope praises and embraces Buddhism on global News networks?
Do they preach Jesus when they preach that “Fellow believers” stoned Stephan on EWTN?
Do they preach Jesus when the Pope preaches “Mankind can protect you better than God”?
Do they preach Jesus when the Pope preaches you MUST be loyal to him to be saved?
Do they preach Jesus when they teach you must bow down to the Pope and kiss his feet? (Papal worship)
Do they preach Jesus while killing millions for merely reading His Bible?
Do they preach Jesus when they ignore Jesus example, and baptize babies as did Pagans?
Do they preach Jesus when they put His Bible on the list “forbidden books” back in 1229ad?
Do th
ltemp
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:20pmthis is what you want people to be a part of ? NO THANK YOU
Report Post »ltemp
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:23pmThe Encyclical of Pope Pius X, issued in 1864, asserted:
the right to require the State not to leave any man free to profess his own religion;
Report Post »the right to employ force;
the right to claim dominion in temporal things;
the right to have the entire control of public schools;
the right to hold princes and kings in subjection;
the right to treat all marriages as invalid which are not solemnized according to the forms of the Council of Trent;
the right to prevent the State granting to immigrants the public exercise of their own worship;
the right to require the State not to permit free expression of opinion;
NICE!!!!!
by faith
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:30pmAre you trying to make my point now?
“And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.”
But you said there are no saints in heaven.
“the gift of God [is] eternal LIFE through Jesus Christ our Lord” But you said the devil is the only one who promised eternal life.
Your second post is interesting and if true (another website bigfoot sighting) wouldn’t there be fewer protestants in the world today? I mean seriously where is your evidence that mass groups of Protestants are being killed? You are really getting silly now.
Q&A post? What is this supposed to be? Knights Templar oath? I’ll ask again, where is your evidence that mass groups of Protestants are being killed?
Just in case you are not sure, I am laughing at you
Childish argument from a childish mind.
I stead of taking all these sites out of context and trying to brand all Catholics as murdering animals, why don’t you tell me what your faith teaches? Since you have yet to post anything the Catholic Church teaches.
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Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:39pmGalatians 4:4-5, “But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.”
Mary was a sinner? Really you get that from Galatians?
Pathetic
Report Post »ltemp
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:40pmhang on I’ll be right back
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Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:43pmI‘m sure you don’t know this, because you know nothing about the Church
Pius X is not the actual Pope, it is the Society of Pope Pius X
a group which has been strongly repremanded and told to get back inline with the teachings of the Catholic Church.
They are not in-line with the teaching of the Church
Wrong, worng, worng
Grow up child
Report Post »ltemp
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:50pmYou are the one who is calling me names. Who is the child?
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Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:52pmI don’t mind keeping you busy and focused on me because that keeps you and your poisoned lies from reaching anyone else. Bring it. Have anymore names to call me?
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Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:53pmYou’ll be right back to continue the hissy fit you are throwing to prove to me you are not childish?
where is your mom? Does she not regulate your internet useage?
There there little boy calm down, your going to burst a blood vessel
Report Post »ltemp
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:56pm“Mary was a sinner? Really you get that from Galatians?”
Report Post »So Paul is a liar when he said in Romans that no one is sinless but Jesus?
Is Mary alive? tell her to come and visit me.
ltemp
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:59pmLOL, all this time wasted on me when you could be chasing defenseless little boys and mothers.
Report Post »Whaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nobody understands my religion!!!!!!!!!!
Talk about pathetic . Your face is in the dictionary.
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Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:00pmYou amuse me.
there are nearly 2 billion Catholics in the world, I’m sure one of them can handle the spreading of the truth while I deal with your mental break down
Still not one correct statement about the Church, yet you keep swinging.
I guess your apology wasn’t very heartfelt afterall. I’m shocked
Do you know.. (of course you don’t)
Einstien said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome
where is my explanation of your faith. Oh wait that is your faith. everything not Catholic
sad pathetic child
Report Post »ltemp
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:02pmstill with the names. I’m not angry just a whinny old child molester.
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Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:02pmMary would come visit you, but you would soil you little under-britches
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Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:04pmhey spoiler alert
not a good day in men’s gymnastics…good day at the pool though
look at me I can do more than 1 thing at a time
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Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:05pmyou’d like to know where my mom is?????? you are a pervert. You got your on mommy remember Mary queen of heaven. Shes over there in the jelly roll.
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Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:07pm“still with the names. I’m not angry just a whinny old child molester”
saying you are acting like a child is not name calling…
saying you need to grow up is not name calling…
telling you to calm down is not name calling
I’m goint to have to start charging you for all this free education
Report Post »ltemp
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:07pmyes old man you getting off on talking to a little boy?
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Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:09pmhey self admitted child molester
FYI
I also resonded to SONOFTHUNSDER and his incorrect comments on the Catholic church
your plan to occupy me is foiled
Report Post »ltemp
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:10pmWhat is it with you Catholics that you are so sexually obsessed with little boys and mothers?
Report Post »ltemp
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:13pm“pride cometh before the fall” chi-mo
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Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:16pm“your plan to occupy me is foiled”
Report Post »No body want to occupy a perverted old chi-mo. go count your beads
by faith
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:16pmsmart move refering to Jesus’ mother that way
Hey liar. you told me I wasn’t dealing with a altar boy or woman. You implied you were a grown man.
Report Post »But your not.
ltemp
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:18pmDoes the Pope know your talking to children on the internet?
Report Post »Your mommy doesn’t scare me.
by faith
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:21pmDude you are killing me
Report Post »You should take this shtick on the road
ltemp
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:21pmThe only thing your defending is proof you are not an idiot. chi-mo
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Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:24pmI’m sure Jesus would let you go near his real mother either. Not the one you tell everyone to worship. chi-mo
Report Post »by faith
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:29pm“The only thing your defending is proof you are not an idiot”
I agree, I am not an idiot.
see I acknowledge when you make a valid points
I thought you said it was bad to call people names? chi-mo
Report Post »You once againg prove yourself to be a hypocrit
ltemp
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:30pmyou are a waste
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Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:34pmWhy are you calling me chi-mo?
You said:
ltemp
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:02pm
still with the names. I’m not angry just a whinny old child molester.
so you’re the chi-mo
But that was during your little hissy fit, so you probably just typed it wrong
Report Post »DUH
ltemp
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:37pm“pride cometh before the fall”
Report Post »by faith
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:40pmAgain you prove you are not very christian
“Since you are precious and honored in my sight and because I love you”
That is in the Bible, go look it up. That is how God feels about ALL his children
O Jesus, it is for the love of Thee, in reperation for the offences committed against the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and for the conversion of poor sinners.
Report Post »I pray this every morning(along with several other prayers) for you and people just like you
ltemp
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:40pmGood for you. chi-mo
Report Post »by faith
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:42pmAWWW look who’s running out of big boy words
starting to just repeat yourself….so sad
Is it nap time?
Report Post »ltemp
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:44pm“Why are you calling me chi-mo?”
Report Post »I thought you were so smart.
There is no one smarter than you even God isn’t as smart as you.
Having trouble with your superior mind?
byfaith nice handle LOL
ltemp
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:49pmReally you have an answer for everything. you know it all.
Report Post »‘Who is My mother and who are My brothers?’ And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, ‘Here are My mother and My brothers! For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother’” (Matthew 12:46-50 NKJV).
ltemp
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:54pmI got to go take my nap now the.
Report Post »by faith
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:57pmWow you dug deep for that old chestnut.
All 4 of the men listed as “brothers of the Lord” are also identified within the gospels
2 are even children of Mary, Nope sorry not that Mary, Mary the wife of Cleofis
the guess who the other 2 belong to? NOT MARY
Do you not get tired of always being wrong?
And yes you call me Chi-mo, but that would be name calling and you said that was bad.
you also said that you were the whinny child molester
keep your insults straight, I don’t like to repeat myself.
Report Post »It makes me think you are slow
by faith
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:58pmDon’t leave mad, just leave
your dismissed
Report Post »by faith
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 6:06pmSorry that should have said
You’re dismissed
my b
Report Post »ltemp
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 6:17pmYou are so full of yourself.
Report Post »You even take like a roman emperor. “your dismissed”
Not sure what you are talking about there in your last post but sense you are keeping me from my nap.
“For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother’””
This is what I was referring to. (gzzz I thought I was talking to the king of Babylon smartest man in the kingdom))
Mary is no different then any mother out there if she were then Satan would not have a case against God and Jesus would not have had to die on the cross. Oh wise one
ltemp
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 6:39pmWhAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »Somebody come to my website please catholicromanismspiritualist.communist.
ltemp
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 6:49pmI’m going to miss your insults. but not your false gospel
Report Post »ltemp
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 6:59pmlast one to post I win!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »ltemp
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 9:03pmOne more thing.
Report Post »You and your church worship the trinity a pagan god. Three headed. You neglect the sonship of Jesus and this is why you will not know the truth. The god you serve is a false pagan god.
There is one God and Jesus Christ his only son.
Now you are dismissed!
ltemp
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 6:37am“O Jesus, it is for the love of Thee, in reperation for the offences committed against the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and for the conversion of poor sinners.
I pray this every morning(along with several other prayers) for you and people just like you”
Thank you, That is so sweet of you, did you mean (reparations) and (offenses)
Report Post »I don‘t mean to point out your errors but you seem to like to point out everyone else’s.
It is for the love of (thee)????? He doesn’t know modern English???
Why can’t you just say “ Jesus for your love”
Praying for sins against a human heart that is pretty morbid.
Conversion to a perversion?
Does your god correct your misspelled word too?
You can sin against a heart? Where in the bible does it say that?
I am sure you pray every morning for all those sinners offending A human heart?
This is not worshiping something created?
There is a commandment that says not to worship created things unless you and your church changed that one too?
are you still prying to the human heart?
Let me know when your done.
by faith
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 9:39amMary is no different than any mother? How many mothers do you know that gave birth to the Son of God?
Yes you are correct; I do worship a triune God. One God in three persons. Maybe one day when you are old enough to understand the Holy Spirit will increase your understanding.
Reparation, yes
Offenses, no I meant offences. Offenses in a breaking of social or moral rules. Offences is when you offend a person.
I used THEE because it is a more formal language, the type of language used when one would address a King.
If I called your mother a useless whore, would that upset you? When you refer to the mother of God as useless and unnecessary…do you not think this is offensive to Jesus?
Misspelled words are on no importance to God, I speak to him. We don’t text or email.
Thanks for the spelling tips, I be a turrable spelller.
“Sins against the heart” is a metaphor. A metaphor is a literary figure of speech that describes a subject by asserting that it is, on some point of comparison, the same as another otherwise unrelated object.
I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways
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Posted on July 31, 2012 at 9:47amYou don’t have to believe any of what it says, but below is a link that explains the Catholic view of Mary. You might not believe any of it, but at least you will not be so ignorant as to what we believe.
Then when you attack my church you will use facts instead of misunderstanding
http://www.catholic.com/speakers/talks/6424
Report Post »by faith
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 9:54amSorry, previous post had wrong link.
try this one
http://youtu.be/V6OwlfNwc9A
or this one (Confession to Priest)
http://youtu.be/Tm5tMjfQnCk
I know you like to get your information on the Catholic church from non-catholics, but that is like getting medical advice from a construction worker.
Report Post »ltemp
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 9:55amIs Mary sinless?
Report Post »ltemp
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 10:00amYes or no
Report Post »ltemp
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 10:03amSorry, it should be was Mary the mother of Jesus sinless? yes or no
Report Post »by faith
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 10:13amYES
Mary’s sinlessness derives from the fact that she is the human vessel through which God himself became man. It was from her flesh that Christ received his human nature.
Because Christ is God, it’s fitting that he took his humanity from a sinless human nature, although it wasn’t strictly necessary that his mother be sinless for him to receive from her a sinless human nature. God could have done it another way.
Nor was it absolutely necessary that Christ be born of a virgin. He could have come into the world via the normal route. The fact that Mary was a virgin and conceived Christ isn’t so much a statement about Mary as it is about the dignity of the child she carried in her womb.
Likewise (and ultimately) the Immaculate Conception isn’t so much a statement about the dignity of Mary as it is a statement about the dignity of her son. It points out who he is–God incarnate.
At the Presentation, why did Mary make a sin offering (Lk 2:24, Lv 12:8) if she was without sin?
Report Post »For the same reason Jesus was baptized by John, though he had no sins to repent. Mary fulfilled the Law. According to Leviticus 12:2-8, a mother was purified forty days after the birth of a son, and she was required to make a sin offering. The purification had to do with ritual uncleanliness and didn’t imply a moral fault in childbirth. Mary fulfilled all the precepts of the Law, which, clearly, wasn’t written to make allowances for a sinless man (the Messiah) or his sinless mother.
ltemp
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 10:24amHere is a web site that refutes what you say.
Report Post »I see Mary as no different than any other mother that Jesus has saved.
Yes, she was blessed to be given that privilege. But she is like any other patriarch or prophet .
Why does she call Jesus her Savior if she lived without sin?
Why would God need Jesus when he has Mary as an example for a life lived without sin.
Proving Satan claim to be false that no one can live by the laws of God.
http://www.letusreason.org/RC1.htm
ltemp
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 10:32amVery nice, I would like to leave you knowing we just disagree and that we can go in peace without comment or insult. Thank you for sharing with me and may you be blessed by the God you serve.
Report Post »by faith
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 10:57amYou really need to read without your preconceived bias. Mary was sinless because of Jesus. He is her savior
Your website says Mary can not be sinless, because she is not all knowing. Now who is trying to make Mary into a God?
“Nowhere does the Bible says Mary was sinless”, True. Nowhere in the Bible does it say Mary sinned. The angel did say she was FULL of grace,FULL not filled or to fill, but FULL. If Mary is full of grace is there any room for sin? “all generations shall call me blessed”
“There is not one Scripture given in context to show Mary is without sin”, True. Nowhere in the Bible does it say Mary is with sin.
Wedding feast at Cana, Jesus responded to Mary’s request. Joseph is not even mentioned as being there. “Do whatever He tells you to do” These are the last words spoken by Mary in the Bible. This is all Mary has ever wanted to bring us to Her son.
If Mary died, where is her body? The Holy land is filled with locations that are important in the Bible, but nowhere is the grave of Mary. Why not? Catholics have had a devotion to Mary since the 1st century and not one reported grave site?
Again why do you insist on using non-catholic websites to get information on what Catholics believe?
These website are all the same, half truths, misunderstandings, out of context reports and out right lies.
Let Us Reason Ministries Is Not Biblically Reasonable, its director is Mike Oppenheimer (false profit)
Report Post »http://www.atruechurch.info/letusrea
by faith
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 11:17amhttp://www.atruechurch.info/letusreason.html
not even a Catholic website
Not Biblically Reasonable is the title of the website, not my words
Report Post »SSG Tal
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 10:47amYeah he’s a snake oil salesman. Here‘s a video of John MacaAruthur’s views that quotes Osteen. He’s a Pagan Religionist, Quasi Pantheist, and Jesus is footnote that satisfies his critics and decieves his followers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDuDN2FtrIo
Report Post »SSG Tal
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 10:55amOh, this explains alot. From the story: “After all, he had truly never preached in a professional capacity and had little theological training and experience beyond what he had learned from his father”
Report Post »only easy day was yesterday
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 6:11pmIf you have a question John MacArthur is the man to go to. I would say the most trustworthy pastor, I know.
Report Post »Gates
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 10:45amHe is what the bible warns us about, a false teacher. JO is more dangerous to the true Christian faith than any atheist could possibly be!
Report Post »TEARS FOR AMERICA
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 10:44amJoel Osteen is subverting the full embodiment of the Lord God- He is love but He is also a God of justice and righeousness and will judge harshly leaders who feed their flocks with soft, feel-good christianity that causes lazy, lukewarm compromisers of the Truth of the Word…
Report Post »TimboTango
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 10:37amWow, this production quality is awful. It really distracts from the content.
Report Post »chips1
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:06amConsider yourself one of the lucky ones.
Report Post »JosephsMyth
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 10:37amThis article could set a record for comments. There is no middle ground with this guy. People either absolutely hate his watered down theology or love his message of love and acceptance.
Report Post »iampraying4u
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 10:51amHe has a nice smile.
Report Post »RobbieTLHughie
Posted on July 26, 2012 at 11:07amI like Joel, I don’t love him… I’m not a Christian so I guess that could be way, but I think he seems okay. I think you’ll find many Atheists with that perspective on him. (Which firebrand Uber-Christians hate.)
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