Blaze Exclusive: ‘Monumental’ Producer Kirk Cameron Details His Journey From Atheism to Christ
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Actor Kirk Cameron has been more than open about his concern for America’s future. That’s why he produced “Monumental,” a documentary feature film that delves deeply into the nation’s moral and social fabrics to seek solutions to help guide the U.S. back on course. Earlier this week, The Blaze spoke exclusively with Cameron about his faith and his recent film project; on Friday, the filmmaker also appeared on Glenn Beck’s television show, where he promoted the documentary.
In a candid conversation with The Blaze, Cameron recapped his personal path from atheism to evangelical Christianity. While this is a tale many Americans can relate to, the actor’s personal testimony takes some intriguing twists and turns as a result of his Hollywood career.
While Cameron said he wasn‘t into drugs or alcohol before becoming a Christian and that people wouldn’t have necessarily dubbed him as wild, he explained that as a 15-year-old teen idol, the world revolved around him. Instead of being a follower of the Almighty, Cameron describes himself as an atheist during his pre-Christian years.
“You know, sometimes I say a little tongue and cheek…I‘d still be an atheist today if it wasn’t for God,” he joked when asked to share details about his faith walk. “Ultimately, I wasn’t looking for God. I adamantly denied his existence until I was 18 years old.”
Cameron explained that his worldview began to change when he was dating a young woman who took him to church with her. The “Growing Pains” actor described how the experience caused him to start questioning whether God does indeed exist.
“At that time I was asking a lot of questions — what happens when you die? How do you know this isn’t a great, big dream? How did life come from non-life?,” he said. “After going to church I started asking this girl’s father a lot of questions.”
These questions, of course, eventually led Cameron to fully embrace Christianity. One day, though, before this transformation was complete, he recounted an instance in which he was sitting in his car and thinking over what he calls his “ultimate appointment with God.”
“Realizing I was part of the ultimate statistic — 10 out of 10 people die — I was sitting in my sports car…thinking — if I pulled out and died…and others were correct..if there was a God and a heaven, I knew I wouldn’t be going,” he recalled. “I had never so much as said ‘thank you’ to my creator…and I certainly had been living a very blessed life.”
These streaming thoughts led Cameron to officially see the difference between faith and empty, hollow religion. As he considered his own path and his failure to acknowledge God and juxtaposed it against the reality he was confronted with while visiting church and studying the faith, he made the decision to change his life.
“The more and more I questioned, the more I looked into the person of Christ — I just became more and more drawn toward the biblical explanations of these things,” he continued. “I began going to a couple of different churches, reading the Bible and [it] came alive to me. It just fit like that last piece of the puzzle.”
Christianity is a faith system that requires — to the ire of many who oppose its tenets — that one “die in him or herself.” This essentially means that believers must adhere to Biblical principles, while working diligently to be more like Jesus Christ and less like one’s “self” (i.e. it is essential for adherents to work against the sin that Christian doctrine alleges is inherent in human nature). Cameron detailed this notion when discussing his own transformation from atheism to Christianity.
“I wanted to be who God created me to be — not who I wanted to be,” he explained.
Today, Cameron’s faith walk is starkly different from the atheistic inclinations he held during his teen and young adult years.
“I can’t breathe without God,” he said. “[My family and I] go to a great little community church and we’ve got about 100 people [there]. We go to a tiny little church which we love because it’s more of a family of people.”
When it comes to his six children (four of whom he and his wife, Chelsea Noble, adopted), Cameron has chosen home schooling. The kids’ spiritual education, he explained, comes from him and his wife. And these Christian teachings, he hopes, will have a lasting impact on his family.
“We trust God that when they’re older, they won’t be far from it,” he said. “More than anything we want to teach our children to love. Forget the external. Is Jesus precious to you? Do you understand what he did for you and why you’re here on this earth? Then faith becomes unstoppable.”
As The Blaze has extensively reported, Cameron has carried his personal faith over to the big screen with his film, “Monumental.” The documentary, which the actor describes as his “first solo project,” has everything to do with his love for America — and his family.
“I made this as a father of six children,” Cameron explains. “I made it because with six kids — I‘m really focusing on the future for my children and wondering what the future’s going to be like for [them]. I look around and all signs point to panic.”
In setting out in an effort to find “the recipe that built America out of darkness,” the actor-turned-producer believes that his project may be able to help the nation move forward.
Cameron reiterated these same ideas in an interview with Beck that aired on Friday evening.
“There is something truly sick in the soul of our nation and…we’re headed down a road that we need to get off of,“ Cameron told Beck regarding the motivation behind his creation of ”Monumental.“ ”There is this heavy sense of urgency that now is the time that we need to do this. We can’t wait.”
In previous interviews, Cameron explained the film, which tracks his efforts to re-trace the Pilgrims’ escape route out of England to Holland and, eventually, to America. Additionally, he has promoted the need for both internal and external liberty in order to restore America to greatness.
Watch Cameron‘s most recent appearance on Beck’s television program:
“We can’t simply sit back and lament the darkness and put our head between our knees and wait for the end…you’ll create a self fulfilling prophesy,” he claimed in his discussion with The Blaze. ”Those who sit on the fence get injured.”
It is this lesson that Cameron hopes viewers of the film will take away from it. And “Monumental” won’t be the last feature film to come from the actor. He’s already laying plans out for a follow-up that digs even deeper, doing back to the Roman Empire to discover more far-reaching historical roots.
Even though “Monumental” was a one-night only event last Tuesday in theaters across America, Cameron is urging viewers to go to DemandTheMovie.com to request that the film be shown in their cities. On Friday, select locations in cities across the U.S. began including the film in theater lineups.
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jima9426
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:48pmPascal’s wager is the least compelling reason to turn to God. The calculation shouldn‘t be that nothing would be lost if I died a believer but discovered there isn’t a God. The calculation should be that everything would be lost if I lived a non-believer and discovered there is a God.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 2:40pmAnd yet, it’s the most accurate distillation of the nature of religious faith ever posited. No fear of death, no religion.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 2:49pmHow often to people find the things they want too much?
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 3:02pmjima9426
Doth thee protest too much?
Reason to turn to religion?
- Questions of existence.
- Questions of meaning.
& others.
To some extent I wouldn’t worry about what gets the thru the door but once thru people can grow.
So much sturm & drang from atheists who fear their numbers may grow smaller or the self appointed righteous who think that somebody didn’t start looking for god for then right reasons.
Report Post »mandmsgirl
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 3:15pmso well said!
Report Post »Alessandre
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 3:54pm@andyetitmoves, you might want to delve into a bit of anthropology. As soon as any creature we would recognize as man comes on the scene, God, in one form or another, is present too. The earliest literature, the Enuma Elish, is not a story of man turning to God because of fear of death &, in fact, fear of death isn’t even mentioned until Gilgamesh & it isn’t reason to turn to God. God, or more accurately, the gods, own the world & own man too. Man may offer sacrifices & receive gifts in return or might propitiate the gods but then again, their gifts might be rejected. Fatalism might be a closer modern concept but even that falls short: man has no power over the gods, the gods are for man to worship, honor & pray to. Believing in God because one is afraid of death is a comparatively modern development, a turning around of Christ’s teaching to be afraid of him who can destroy the body & cast the soul into Gehenna. Of course, many believe it’s the underlying reason for Christianity. It’s not. Acknowledging, accepting & desiring to return the love God has for us is the basis of Christianity. Anything else is not worshiping God but some cruel idol.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 4:04pmA simple thought experiment:
Explain christian doctrine to a young child, including the creation story, the flood, revelations, etc. See if they believe a word of it.
Now threaten the same child with an eternity of torture, suffering, choking, crying and burning if they do not believe every detail and commit their lives to propagating the story. Different results? There lies the sadomasochistic secret of religion.
If you take the threat of hellfire out of christian doctrine, then it becomes utterly unconvincing even to the meekest intellects among us.
Report Post »The Third Archon
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 4:07pmPascal’s Wager is a bad reason for believing any faith. Moreover, it is useless even by its own terms, because you have one chance of being “right” but you are wagering in a game which you do not even know the odds in. You must guess, form among an infinite POSSIBLE number of permutations of theologies, which one’s afterlife and prerequisites is the “real” one–with no guarantee that ANY of them are, and that all your agony was, from the beginning, over nothing.
But there isn’t a GOOD reason to believe in any particularly form of theism for very similar reasons–all of them claim such intimately detailed knowledge of the character of God, but by the very DEFINITION of God that would be IMPOSSIBLE accept by direct apprehension through divine will, which would be indubitable and universally consistent. Since no such a thing is observable, either God is not real, or for whatever reason has not willed us to have knowledge about God’s nature or existence. Thus, all religions are impiously arrogant at worst, and wildly speculative at best, in their assertions about the existence of God, God’s nature, and metaphysics, subjects about which they BY DEFINITION could have no internal capacity to know.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 5:07pmThe Third Archon
Pascal’s Wager is a bad reason for believing any faith. Moreover, it is useless even by its own terms, because you have one chance of being “right” but you are wagering in a game which you do not even know the odds in.
No not really. One decision. Heads you win or tails you lose nothing. There are no further permutations or calculations.
Blaise Pascal was one of the founders of modern statistics. I rather heed what he has to say than many atheists mobbing this board in a frenzied desperate attack.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 5:19pmI have to correct you there. If it lands tails, you lose your critical faculties, the agency of your human intellect, your dignity as a discerning individual, as well as the opportunity to look up at the cosmos in wonder and take comfort and perhaps some humility in realizing that you have no clue what we’re doing here. That is much to give up.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 6:01pmThe Proof of Intelligence… and what separates Humans from Animals… is the ability to Recognize GOD and Worship HIM!
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 6:30pmYeah that and opposable thumbs.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 6:47pm@AND…
Report Post »If a Monkey would pray to God… I could accept it to be more Intelligent than an Atheist… and praying person without limbs to be Human and Soul-ed. On the other hand, thumbs or not, a Soul-less person, seems more alike an Animal… rejecting Morality… and wondering through life, attempting to destroy the Thing that he cannot Understand!
GPS-Tech
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 6:54pmGod created man with free will. You can choose to believe and worship or not. There is only one unforgiveable sin and that is to preach against Jesus teachings. I am no where close to being considered a righteous man. I would not claim to be a true Christian because that would bring reproach upon the religion. BUT, I do believe in God and his Son Christ. The atheists in here do the works of their father the devil even if they do not acknowledge his existence.
Report Post »GPS-Tech
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 7:08pmThere are many forms of worship outside of a supreme being. There is worship of money, science, self, government. The religion of science asks it’s followers to believe that in an instant all the energy, mass and the very dimension (space) that it exists in came from nothing. If that is not a leap of faith then I dont know what is. That goes against the law of physics that energy and mass are neither lost or gained, only converted from one to the other. Science has no solid proof, only hypothesis about an event that has been determined to have happened 13.5 billion years ago.
Report Post »TH30PH1LUS
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 7:25pm@ AndYetItMoves: you wrote: “Explain christian doctrine to a young child, including the creation story, the flood, revelations, etc. See if they believe a word of it.”
1. I hope parents are explaining Christian doctrine to children. I hope they are digging deep on their own, and teaching their kids while they are young.
2. The creation story of Genesis is unique from all other world religions in many ways – not the least of which is that God creates it from nothing. The universe was not, and then it was. For many years, the atheist community taught that the universe had no beginning. Look up Georges Lemaître http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre
3. Do you really think it coincidental that EVERY culture on the face of the planet (both ancient & modern) have some version of a Flood story? See http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flood-myths.html and also http://www.nwcreation.net/noahlegends.html
4. Revelation contains many symbols which would be lost to a child. But the idea that God demands justice is something all rational humans inately understand.
I was exposed to the Bible at a young age and am grateful for it. Since you obviously consider it rubbish, I would like to know if you consider yourself more intelligent than Isaac Newton, Galileo Galilei, Michael Faraday, Sir Francis Bacon, Nicholas Copernicus? They all believed.
Report Post »Texas.7
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 7:56pmGPS-Tech,
It isn’t unforgivable to preach against Christ unless you know the truth and do so defiantly (remember Saul who became Paul). Num 15:30 follows unintentional sin atonement (which include momentary weaknesses and so forth, for which we ask forgiveness). But when one sins defiantly, with knowledge and intent, blaspheming the Lord in rebellion (as did Satan), “despising the Word of the Lord and breaking His commands (with intent), that person shall be completely cut off”. Compare that to the NT mention of the unforgivable sin, and references to sins which “aren’t unto death”. You can only Blaspheme the Holy Spirit through intimate acquaintance. Mar 3:28-29 is after salvation.
I’m not suggesting one can loose their salvation, because God won’t allow it without warning. When we sin and ask for forgiveness, He is faithful. But people who know the truth, having the indwelling Spirit (to whom much is given, much is required)- despise that same Spirit, they are in danger of being cut off. I don’t say this so that we should fear, because we can trust Him (and if we even worry about this, we obviously don’t despise Him).
Salvation can’t be taken away. Errors in understanding, errors in judgement, or human weakness will not cause His Holy Spirit to leave us. Have confidence, for He is worthy. We only know of Satan and the fallen angels (and Judas) who rebelled with full knowledge. The others, “For they know not what they do”.
Report Post »Free2speakRN
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 1:28am‘Heaven and Hell’ : We need ‘both motivations’.
Report Post »Free2speakRN
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 1:48amTexas.7, GPS-Tech,
Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the only Unforgivable Sin.
What is Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?
Simply this:
Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, is when “one accepts God’s Perfect Justice, but not His Mercy.”
Report Post »Texas.7
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 3:02amFree2speakRN
“Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, is when “one accepts God’s Perfect Justice, but not His Mercy.””
Well, we agree that rejecting Christ means there is no forgiveness. But for me, this doesn’t answer the “unforgivable sin” question, in that Jesus said that blaspheme towards God, or Himself is forgivable, but not the Holy Spirit. Maybe you are saying that rejecting the Holy Spirit is unforgivable, due to our need for spiritual re-birth, but then, one must first accept Christ to gain admittance. I believe that since Truth is spiritually discerned, then blaspheme of the Spirit is knowing, AND defiantly rebelling against that truth. But needless to say, we can Trust the Lord to finish what He started in us. :)
Heb 10:26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, (willfully from G1595, with knowledge, in one’s own accord, as opposed to sins without thought)
But, by the Grace of God, His love will reach out and catch us, turning us around so that we don’t fall into unforgivingness. The Bible isn’t in-congruent- both are true: we could loose salvation through utter rebellion- but we won’t. He knows us, and has seen us cross the finish line before we were born. And if He redeems us, we can trust Him.
Rom 8:35 Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Report Post »Free2speakRN
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 6:56amTexas.7,
Hi, Texas. All I am saying is, that nobody deserves Heaven but God Alone. Nobody. That is really the True Justice of it all. If one accepts ‘only’ His Justice, the soul cannot get into Heaven.
Now, the Mercy of God, we will gladly accept it. We will gladly accept His forgiveness. But, If somebody with even a bit of pride is of the opinion of himself, “I don’t believe, I just don’t agree that I need to be forgiven for this or that. I had good reason to do what I did. I do not need forgiveness, so I’m not going to accept Any forgiveness… Well, that poor soul is denying God, Himself.
So in accepting only His ‘Justice’, but Not the Grace of God‘s ’Mercy’, he can’t possibly be received into Heaven. The soul is simply refusing to receive the Mercy of God, and the Heaven of God, Himself.
Not to go on, but, God’s Justice will be full of understanding. Whew!!! Let’s face it, that alone gives us comfort. But by our very nature, we, nor the very angels around God, actually on our own merit, ‘deserve’ Heaven. We have to accept the gift. And the gift is His Mercy.
Upon death, Hell is a “‘state of being’, in which one rejects God”. Lucifer rejected God and His Mercy, long ago. He certainly accepts God’s Perfect Judgement.
Say someone owed you $100.00. You steal a quarter back. God says it was still wrong. You and I, I think, would say, “You’re right God, I accept your Mercy!”
Outa room. Peace, Texas :)
Report Post »Texas.7
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 9:11amFree2speakRN,
Report Post »Sounds to me like we share the same faith. Sometimes things make more sense to someone when put one way. For me, God answers questions which tie so many verses together and I see a great pattern in the unity of His Word and the perfection of His truth, and that makes sense to me. In the end, many people would read out discussion and not even understand the difference between what each of us is saying. They are in line with eachother. But I will add one more note- you are correct about pride, for it is pride which brings rebellion and ushers in a fall, small or sweepingly large.
God bless
EddardStark
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 11:41am@Theophilus
What is the deal with your inconsistency in claiming the exclusivity of Genesis and in the next breath claiming the universality of flood mythology?
2. Genesis is far from the only creation myth that suggests the universe was created from nothing. You realize that atheism is based on scientific understanding, which is why an atheistic understanding of the universe pretty much mirrors that of the scientific community. What does Georges Lemaitre have to do with atheists? He was an early proponent of the Big Bang, an expanding universe and a “primeval atom.“ He was a Catholic and saw the hand of God in that ”primeval atom”. What are you implying by urging people to “look him up?” That somehow his mathematical confirmation of an expanding universe is proof that the Christian Genesis is confirmed by science?
3. I don’t find it coincidental at all that MOST (difficult to say ALL) cultures have flood myths simply due to the fact that I have never heard of a culture that wasn’t dependent on water. Find me a culture that existed independent of rainfall and/or a river and I will show you a culture that did not have a flood myth. The commonality of flood mythology isn’t proof that God exists, it is proof that floods happen everywhere and are scary.
Report Post »GPS-Tech
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 8:02pmFor the true believers…….http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6UZN8cGTsU
Report Post »TH30PH1LUS
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 11:56pm@ EddardStark
I apologize if my post seemed incongruous to you. Allow me to explain this way: Imagine you are a Crime Scene Investigator. You and others in Law ENforcement have been called to a neighborhood after several 9-1-1 calls have gone out. ALL the neighbors are outside giving explanations of what they heard to the officers on scene. Some details in the accounts vary. Some neighbors heard 6 gunshots. Some say they heard 4. Some just recall loud noises and screaming. Some say they think they know who the perp is. While the details vary from house to house, ALL agree that a homicide went down. Indeed, a body confirms it. Picking apart the crime scene, you will be able to verify which accounts most accurately described the events of the crime.
Following this analogy: (1) the Flood account is UNIVERSAL. ALL cultures agree that a devastating flood occured, and that only a few survived it. I think you will be enlightened by research into the various accounts. Interestingly, many of them line up with the story of Noah. One ancient classic Chinese writing, called the Hikking, tells the story of Fuhi, whom the Chinese consider to be the father of their civilization. This history records that Fuhi, his wife, three sons and three daughters, escaped a great flood. He and his family were the only people left alive on earth. After the great flood they repopulated the world. An ancient temple in China has a wall painting that shows Fuhi’s vessel in the raging flood waters.
Report Post »TH30PH1LUS
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 12:08am@ EddardStark (con’t)
(2) The Genesis account is ALSO exclusive, in its differences from other accounts of the same or similar events. Like the “crime scene” I described earlier – ALL ancient civilizations had creation stories. Yet they disagree on specifics. In 99% of them you will find bands of incestuous gods and demi-gods killing various monsters and forming the universe from the bloody guts remaining. Interesting reading, but not very enlightening – nor accurate in terms of describing things. The Genesis account is unique (or exclusive, as you noted). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_creation_narrative & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_nihilo
Genesis and the Gospel of John describe God making the universe from nothing with His words. We know that spoken words are vibrations. Theories regarding the “substance” of the material universe now seem to be converging on the idea that at the smallest possible level – all matter/energy in the universe is made of vibrating mathematical “strings” of energy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory
Report Post »unknownconservative
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 1:23amPascal’s wager may not be the best reason to believe in a God, however, in the end it doesn’t matter if you walk there or claw your way through brambles, you just need to get to the top of the hill.
If God wanted us to all wander the same path, there wouldn’t be such a wide variety of stupid. So, you shouldn’t be too critical where someone stats off…only where they end up.
Report Post »truthoverlies
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:40pmOkay, so you don’t believe in God. Is that what you plan to tell Him when you die?
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:54pmI’d ask God why, when he could plan out an entire universe, is his only literary work, the Bible, so unimpressive?
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 2:21pm@ WVERNON1981- The answer to that question is because the Bible is not the word of God. God’s word is in the Bible but the Bible is not the word of God. Christians call Mathew, Mark, Luke and John The Gospels. The question is, are those books written by Matthew, by Mark, by Luke and by John. The answer is, no, Matthew didn’t write the book of Matthew, Mark didn’t write the book of Mark, Luke didn‘t write the book of Luke and John didn’t write the book of John. I have been asking Christian scholars why do these book start with ‘According to’ meaning The Gospel According to Matthew, The Gospel According to Mark, The Gospel According to Luke and The Gospel According to John. How come it does not say The Gospel, by Matthew, Mark, Luke or John. The answering is because these books are not written by these men, these books were written by someone else in the name of these men, in other words, the so-called Gospels were written from an ear-witness point of view. From a historian point of view. Not by the men that were hand picked by Jesus Christ himself.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 2:47pmCareful Surhan, I think there‘s a few too many christian literalists on these threads for you to be suggesting that every sentence in the bible is not the embodiment of god’s perfect divine will. I mean, what if it turns out that god isn’t actually a homophobe? What are these people going to have to talk about if gay sex is off the table?
Report Post »IPFW_11
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 3:25pmI always find it hilarious those who claim the Bible isn’t literal. If it isn’t literal what are you basing your faith on in order to be a Christian? If I claim to be a physicist but then say Einstein’s theory of general relativity is not literal, how would the scientific community react to me? The fact is that the entire basis for Christianity is the literal interpretation of the Bible. If it cannot be interpreted literally than the religion is based on a lie and has no merit. The ONLY reason people want to go away from the literal meaning of the Bible is so that they can fit it into their personal opinion. They are basically making God into their image.
Report Post »stockpicker
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 3:43pm“I’d ask God why, when he could plan out an entire universe, is his only literary work, the Bible, so unimpressive?” Who are you that you have to be impressed. God owes you nothing!!
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 3:56pmI think it would be more accurate to say that the universe does not owe you a sense of meaning, grow up.
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 4:33pmOne would think that one so grandiose as God would write something equally grandiose. The Bible is less than magnificent. I’ve read far more inspiring books.
Report Post »BrutalTruth
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 6:27pmBible not impressive? I would have to disagree. 66 Books with over 40 different authors, spanning approx. 1500 years with the same consistent message. Very impressive.
The fact that the simplest verses reveal such depth. It’s like peeling back an onion, layer by layer and finding new information that intertwines with the rest of the Bible. Very Impressive.
Before I recognized just how truly evil man (myself) really is and repented, submitting myself to the Lord, I could not see the Truth. He has revealed so much since then. Very Impressive.
Perhaps the last reason is why you may not see it as impressive. The question may be, what do you want to see?
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 6:37pmThat the Bible contains demonstrable factual errors is enough to discount it as the work of an entity so capable as God. For example, the Flood, the creation account, magic genetics, failed prophecies, discrepancies, and such.
Report Post »BrutalTruth
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 7:14pmah, the old “falacies” statement. I’d submit that there are no “errors”, only that you don’t have an understanding of them.
Now, on the face of it, my statement isn’t anymore enlightening than yours. I’ll just submit that I have been on both sides of this fence. Now, based on that last statement, you can ignore the additional information and experience that I and other christians have encountered, but you really have no basis to know what in the world that information is.
What I’m saying, is perhaps your supporting your position on a lack of information, not the inclusion of it. Or the simple version would be: Let’s assume you know half of everything there is to know. Don’t you think God can exist in the other half?
I‘ll also share that my faith isn’t blind. It is exactly because there is reason.
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 7:36pmAnd my lack of faith is there because of reason. I have been on both sides as well.
Report Post »From Virginia
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 7:40pm@wvernon1981 – The are no factual errors, descrepancies, nor failed prophesies (all prophesies except two have come to pass and just looking around shows that the last two are GOING to happen right on schedule). Plus, over the years both science and archeology have proved the bible correct.
Report Post »BrutalTruth
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 7:44pmThat‘s the rub isn’t it? You think you’ve seen the same information, but how do you really know? This is the whole basis for apostasy. We can call ourselves christian, but it is only true if we desire and attempt to be obedient to God. The label on a bottle is unimportant if the contents inside to not match.
Report Post »BrutalTruth
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 7:52pmThat‘s the rub isn’t it? Just how do you know you have that same information? That’s the whole basis of apostasy. Anybody can call themselves a christian, but few truly submit and desire to try to be obedient. Unless one does, they don’t have the same information and are clueless and are just as dead.
The label on a bottle is not important if the contents inside don’t match.
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 1:40amTo speak for god, is to speak as god. When god stops using fallible humans to deliver his messages for him then he can dictate what it is he wants us to do. Seeing as how that will never happen I will continue to see “god” as nothing more than a tool for manipulating humans and protecting ego’s for idiots. Like those so called christians that expound their glee in believing that you will “meet their maker” or “want to convert on your death bed” and they wish to “see the look on your face” when that happens. Yes, how very christian of you, dirt bags…
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:29pmWow, just like that “Presto” he turned into a child of God. But of course before he was 18 he didn’t believe in God, wow, weird.
Report Post »KickinBack
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:34pmNo it’s not weird. You are.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:42pmNo, it is weird because usually people born in God know God before they turn 18. Lest you be born again you will not acquire the Kingdom of Heaven. That doesn’t mean to die in your mind everyday whackos.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:45pmWhat, you think tribulation is an easy thing to conquer?
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:51pmhere’s the deal: OUR GOD created the UNIVERSE in days, what makes you think he can’t “enlighten one of his creations in seconds?” How does any idea that changes the way we think come? how long does it take? The key is Kirk was truly searching. Seek and Ye Shall Find. I’ve been following him and Ray Comfort for a decade now, he is the real deal. Everyone I know supports his efforts and are proud of him. He’s like the ONLY child star from Hollywood who has made the successful transistion from Hell to Heaven ! IF someone feels inclined to “knock him” they may want to ask themselves WHY?? The answer may lead them to a better life, not just here but eternity, Thanks to GLENN BECK for supporting this fine young man and his Movie!
Report Post »Wyatt's Torch
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 2:12pmTim… No man knows the heart of another, you can only know them by their fruits. Your “fruits” on this message board have the aroma of foolishness and hypocrisy. So get thee behind me and let Mr. Cameron get on with the Lord’s work! Maybe consider spending more time in the Word and less time slinging your own…
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 2:37pm@ITSJUSTTIM It’s just absolutely amazing how you speak as if what you say is as true and bound as the acceleration rate of gravitational pull on earth. Maybe God doesn’t exist. Cameron talks about a dark self fulfilling prophesy.. It’s no more dark than what Christians assume is happening in the middle east and with the world economy and domestic problems to be the beginning of revelations. Talk about darkness… You just cannot even consider the hypothesis that maybe, just maybe… there is also the chance there is no god.. you live a lie my friend
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 4:16pmAh yes, aside from pascal’s wager, the comment above me presents the other reason why simple people love their religion, it gives them a license to preach, to condescend, and to cling to the notion that they are the best student in the class, all feelings with which most religionists are not well acquainted.
Report Post »reality_check
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 4:25pmAndy,
Why so bitter against something you don’t believe in? Hating religion or God is not going to make religion go away or diminish the faith of the believer.
Report Post »You are only hurting yourself and making yourself look foolish in the process. Who are you convincing? No one.
AndYetItMoves
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 4:49pmPerhaps not, I think I just keep coming back for the sheer joy of watching religionists contort their minds in a valiant effort to defend an indefensible position. By the way, if religion doesn’t go away soon, I don’t have much hope for the future, no room for it in a nuclear world. As long as people like santorum have enough credibility in our society to campaign for the keys to the bombs, it will remain necessary to ridicule faith until we collectively grow out of it.
Report Post »reality_check
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 8:22pmAndy,
The Bible has always outlived its pallbearers. Voltaire in his time said that Bible would be dead and gone in 100 yrs. His house now belongs to French Bible Society. Dawkins will get there soon.
Report Post »lwoot
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:27pmWhether you believe in God or not isn’t necessarily the point. The article is clearly about Kirk and his journey. Why he made Monumental and why he had a desire to share it. Why can’t those that disagree with him do it without attacking him, belittling him, or others that agree with him. It‘s astounding to me that attacks are coming from those that haven’t seen the movie. I didn’t read your book but I hate it already because you believe in God. Even if someone doesn‘t believe in God doesn’t mean there aren’t valid ideas about how our country has gotten to where it is today and how we try to ensure that our posterity is ensured a free and secure nation.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 2:44pmConsidering he fails the universal, one-question IQ test, I think people are just pointing out he‘s probably not in a position to be preaching about America’s future, no religionist is.
Report Post »reality_check
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 2:58pm@ Andy
Report Post »WHy should Kirk not speak out? His views are just as valid and more mainstream than yours ever would be. He has much to say and a very captive audience.
I hope you don’t advocate censoring his views. That’s what the Nazis were all about.
AndYetItMoves
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 3:55pmHe has read the book of genesis and the book of revelations, and believes what these texts say about our beginning and our end. So forgive me if I don’t take his plan to fix America very seriously.
Report Post »reality_check
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 4:21pmAndy,
Report Post »It is the liberals who are unable to tolerate liberty. Censorship is flatly unAmerican and for those on the right or left to advocte for it makes me stomach turn. I‘m sorry you are so deluded you can’t see that.
lwoot
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 4:29pmActually what you just said is assumption on your part. Because, yes he has read both and even having read both the reason he wanted to learn or find answers to his questions was because he rejected the idea, it is “end times” so just put your head in the sand and kiss it all good-bye. But that would require you to do more than assume with your high I.Q. intellect.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 4:55pmThank you? I think? I‘d like to respond but I’m afraid that if there’s an argument somewhere in your post it is unintelligible to me.
By the way, I’m not advocating censorship in any way. Christians in this country seem unable to distinguish between censorship and ridicule. It’s called conversational intolerance, it is well deserved, and it is perfectly acceptable in the US. Free speech is a two way street, it’s not just there to guarantee that you can trumpet about your delusions.
Report Post »lwoot
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 5:23pmIf you need me to spell out exactly what I am getting at I can do that for you. His I.Q. alone being predetermined simply by his belief in genesis and revelations then enables you, in all your infinite glory, to ascertain that he proceeds to believe with out thought, hence his low I.Q. But had you bothered to actually listen or read what he thought (I know how crazy since he is clearly already unworthy of that consideration by one so great as yourself) then you would know that he isn’t driven by blind faith with out thought and reason.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 6:25pmExplain to me what faith is if not the suspension of thought and reason in favor of credulity. If Santorum can demonstrate that the christian faith is perfectly in tune with rational inquiry, then he’ll literally be the first religious apologist to do so. Somehow I doubt it.
Report Post »lwoot
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 7:04pmWell first is your assumption that one who believes in God and has faith does so with credulity by suspending thought and reason. That is a pretty broad assumption worthy of credulity on your part. Then you jump to Santorum and the article was about Kirk Cameron but I’ll bite. Why does Santorum have to demonstrate that the christian faith is perfectly in tune with rational inquiry? Why does any Christian have to for you or anyone else? I don’t see you exactly getting into all the bits and pieces of your own reasoning as to why there is no God. Now this part intrigues me, “then he’ll literally be the first religious apologist to do so”. LOL what kind of intellectual high I.Q. drivel is that? I would love to have you expound on your enlightenment. Please demonstrate how your brilliance is perfectly in tune with rational inquiry. Enlightened me as to what exactly your inquiring.
Report Post »From Virginia
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 7:51pm@Andy – Failed the IQ test? Seriously, how pompous are you? The most brilliant minds through the ages believed in God, but to you they failed an IQ test because of their belief? Actually, your dripping disdain for people is your IQ fail.
Report Post »reality_check
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 8:20pmAndy,
For all the hate that you spew at Santorum, it certainly hasn’t done much to derail his campaign. While he wasn’t my first choice, he has won eleven states and has had millions of Americans support his message. Being bitter and angry about it doesn’t convert you any followers.
Report Post »I’ll remember that new buzzword “conversational intolerance” the next time I hear or read about rigid atheists attempting to ban or censor a pre-game or pre-meeting moment of reflection or prayer because their sensibilities are offended., but this is the usual hypocrisy and double standards from the God-haters. They only want their point of view heard, and expect everyone else to just meekly sit down and shut up. Sorry, but it just ain’t happening. As long as we live in a genuine democracy, Christians (Santorum included) and other believers have as much right to speak into the social, political and ethical issues of the day as anyone else. Deal with it.
HorseCrazy
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:18pmGod Bless you Kirk keep it up
Report Post »nobammy
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:12pmI watched Monumental on Tuesday. It was both education and empowering. Reading through some of the replies claiming Cameron is using his publicity to share his propaganda is the ‘pot calling the kettle black’. That is precisely what the left does all the time (i.e. Spike Lee, Roseanne Barr – just this week!?!). Hey “Left-winged” morons… SUCK IT!
Report Post »hatchetjob
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:55pmI don’t understand some of the hateful comments against Cameron, he’s not hurting anyone. Those who choose not to believe in Jesus have a menu of other choices to pick from. As for me and my family we will serve the Lord.
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:02pmOh cry me a river. He uses his position as a public figure to push superstition and when he’s challenged on it, the atheists are haters? Please.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:11pmwvernon1981
You afraid of the market place of ideals?
Go to use the tactic of shouting someone down?
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:16pmNo, I’m not afraid of the marketplace of ideas. Where did you get that from?
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:25pmPushing superstition?
Just from the wording of your statements is one place I got it from.
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:41pmIf I could edit it, I should have wrote “promote” instead of push to be more accurate.
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 2:01pmWhat’s the most amusing to me about “atheists” is that they do have faith…they believe that something exploded and kept exploding only stopped and man was created, along with the world, air, fire, sand, water and all the plants ….somehow appeared. They can‘t walk into a building that wasn’t “planned” and “conceived” before it “appeared” but they think the whole world did magically… yet we’re stupid because we give credit for creation to someone a lot bigger, smarter than we are !
They are minions of Satan whether they know it or not, empty, wicked, evil and unhappy. They cannot explain where LOVE comes from (when it’s clearly not “Scientific”) They forget that GOD created everything INCLUDING SCIENCE. They have Negative Faith…in their arrogance they cannot fathom something more intelligent than they are and instead of reaching out and opening themselves to that concept and growing/learning…they seek to stop everyone else from doing that. TRUTH? IF they really didn’t believe in anything they would keep it to themselves, it wouldn‘t bother them if everyone else didn’t follow their beliefs. Instead of this being about FAITH…this is about CONTROL, the LIBERAL Utopian situation…CONTROL of everything, every mind, every situation …WHY? They are afraid beyond description to believe they are NOT in control. They’ll find out.
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 2:09pmPatty, the problem with your statement, “They can‘t walk into a building that wasn’t “planned” and “conceived” before it “appeared” but they think the whole world did magically… yet we’re stupid because we give credit for creation to someone a lot bigger, smarter than we are !”, is that we recognize buildings as being designed because we have seen people design buildings. We haven‘t seen anyone or anything design universes yet so we don’t assert that they must have been designed. Could the universe have been designed? It’s conceivable but we have no evidence one way or another. Even if the universe was designed, it’s a huge leap from that to Jesus. In an earlier statement, I said that I’d ask God why, if he could design universes, did he create such a sloppy work as the Bible. I don’t see the Bible as being written by a grand creator, if there is one, so I’m not sure how I can go from Creator to Jesus.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 3:04pmwvernon1981
Patty, the problem with your statement, “They can‘t walk into a building that wasn’t “planned” and “conceived” before it “appeared” but they think the whole world did magically
Can scientists explain what caused the big bang? There is Linde’s theory of the multi-verse. Is it testable?
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 3:11pmWalkabout,
As far as I know, there are no origins hypothesis that are testable right now. Therefore we should only say we don’t know how the universe came into existence.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 5:11pmWWII looks pretty miraculous to me. If the NAZI had taken Gibraltar or Malta it would have been different.
Stalin from what I read was catatonic for 3 days early in the war when the Germans were closing in on Moscow. Or the fact that if Zukhov hadn’t been called by Stalin to inspect the defense Moscow would have fallen. Stalin had many yes men around him. Fortunately for the Russian peple Zukhov was not one of the,
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 5:51pmThe only response I can think of to that is it would have been a more effective “miracle” had Hitler and Stalin not been allowed to cause the deaths of tens of millions.
Report Post »From Virginia
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 8:04pm@Patty – very well said! All of it! In the old Soviet Union one of the first things they did was CRUSH people of faith. They started with mockery and ended by killing the hard-headed who refused to give up their faith in God. Why? Because people who believe in something greater than the state can’t be controlled. Atheists aren’t satisfied with not believing – they insist on taking everybody else’s faith too in order to control them.
Report Post »ColoradoNative
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:41pmWhy do you atheists hate Cameron so much? It must be because he claimed to be an atheist and then became a Christian. That has got to be the absolute worst thing you atheists can imagine.
You seem to believe that it is impossible from someone who does not believe in God, an atheist, could come to a different conclusion later in life.
At least as a Christian I have had the courage to question the existence of God, even after I believed. I lived the fist 30 years of my life without God, and the last 20 with God. Based on what I have experienced and the person I am now, I choose God.
Doesn’t sound like many of you atheists have the courage to question whether you could be wrong or not.
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:00pmIn what way do you propose I question whether or not I’m wrong or not? By pursuing all manner of indemonstrable claims? By being open to claims that are demonstrably false?
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:36pmThe fool needs proof, the believer uses faith.
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:48pmWhat method do you use to know your “faith” is correctly placed? I’m guessing you have personal evidence that your belief is correct. If that is the case, then personal evidence then puts the faith claim into the category of testable. The manifestation of your faith is observable to you and you can test it against other explanations. In aggregate, you should be able to test the claims of many Christians against some base case and test whether or not there is some supernatural agent working for you.
Report Post »girlnurse
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 4:26pmImagine of you needed absolute proof of everything you did.
Report Post »You wouldn’t get out of bed in the morning…haha.
I mean…”how do I know this floor is going to hold me?” How do I know this plane is going to fly and land?“ ”How do I know this food, Im eating isn’t poison?” How do I know this car isn’t going to crash?”…Of course I could go on and on because EVERY BODY uses faith all day every day to survive in this world….without being able to explain everything. I don’t know how the world began exactly, but I have faith the creator is smarter than me and He knows. I think it was the Big Bang……I just know who banged it! (Frank Turek) “Does the clay talk back to the potter?” I don’t think so!
reality_check
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 4:34pmThe truth is, atheists are just as religious as anyone else. They have their own worldview, their own way of looking at life and the big questions. Most of the earlier atheists freely admitted as much. But in America especially, where religion is now taboo if we were to listen to them, the atheists and secular humanists have had to change their tune, and try to convince the government that they are not in fact religious, which is really such a sad dog and pony show.
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 4:44pmWe dont’ use faith all day long. The answer to your question is that we all operate on the assumption that the universe is consistent and that the laws of physics are consistent day to day because we have observed them to be in the past. Does it mean they will be constant tomorrow? No, but it wouldn‘t do any good to live life like they would unless we could establish a good probability that they won’t be constant tomorrow. Your brain uses the observations you have made over the course of your life and establishes a model of reality you work with every day. Your brain didn’t, out of faith, just come up with this model. It’s constantly testing this model and making modifications to it in order to fit in new observations.
If you have faith in something, what was it that led you to pick that something over another thing? You must have some kind of reason or evidence for discriminating between the competing claims out there?
In some sense, you are correct though. Everyone must start with some foundational assumptions about reality. I just try to start with as few as possible.
Report Post »ScienceIsNotEvil
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 5:10pmPerhaps it is because of all the lies he has knowingly spread about atheists, science and everyone who dares disagree with him. He keeps lying about millions of people and you are shocked that those people begin to dislike him?
Report Post »BrutalTruth
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 6:53pmVernon, you said “operate on the assumption” in an attempt to deny yours is faith. Ironic.
Report Post »From Virginia
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 8:26pmwvernon1981 – Yes – I have had personal proof that God is real. I’ve also shared those experiences and they meant nothing to anybody but me. They aren’t supposed to – it’s personal in everybodies cases. Even all the cases of miracles in the bible meant nothing to people whose lives weren’t affected by them. In the bible it states more than once that you have to believe first, THEN you will see proof of God working in your life. You asking for proof first is just not going to happen.
Report Post »BV FROM TX
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 2:13amGood overcomes evil.
Report Post »Light overcomes darkness.
Love overcomes hatred.
DeavonReye
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 11:26amWell said, wvernon. Atheists/non-believers/agnostics don’t operate on “faith”. We may believe things to be the case, but it is based upon past experiences. The floor WILL hold my weight because it always has. The light will turn on when I operate the switch. My car will most likely start, but more than that, I believe that the physical principles will maintain a consistent gravity, speed of light, and other theories that continue to show as true. I can believe in those things. It isn’t a “faith”, as in “believing in something without proof”.
If we turn to the discussion of religion, I see no reason to have any level of “faith” in any of the gods man has invented. I have no reason to believe something that has shown to have little to no evidence. Why should I accept something without adequate proof, especially when it is mere humans who promote it as “a truth”? :-/ Why should I believe your extraordinary stories over the extraordinary stories from Islam, Hinduism, Wicca, etc?
Report Post »EndTheGOPTEA
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:32pmWhat an Idiot.
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:44pmAre you talking about yourself, cause you are correct. What an idiot for not seeing what God can do for you.
As far as your avatar name – in your dreams, in your dreams. You see there are some organized Tea Parties and then you have all those who support the Tea, but are every day citizens who not only live next door to you, but they work with you. WE SURROUND YOU – BE AFRAID, BE VERY AFRAID.
Report Post »EndTheGOPTEA
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:52pmYou People are a Joke.. lol.. Fool.. Please Join The Rest Of The World In The 21st Century..
Report Post »reality_check
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:01pmDrinking early, are we?
Report Post »cassandra
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:16pmyou are the idiot, the atheist’s I know all need out side influences to be happy ,money,drugs and,alcohol they are materialistic, selfish ,self centered and lousey parents the Christian parents I know and love bring their children up with faith and morals, to love their country and be resposibile citizens with respect for themselves and other people ( including babies in their womb )
Report Post »EndTheGOPTEA
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:30pmhttp://youtu.be/oEl9kVl6KPc
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:43pmEndTheGOPTea,
Ease up, not everyone that believes in God is an idiot. Their brains, for whatever reason, have determined that God is the best explanation for their understanding of reality, correct or not.
Report Post »William Andrews
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:19pmKirk Cameron is the real deal. I was blessed along with around two hundred other dads/husbands to attend a weekly two hour get-together led by Kirk on being a (Biblically-based) better dad and husband. His wife Chelsea held a similar meeting for moms/wives on being a better mom and wife. He is a giving, caring, personable individual and leader following the Bible in his on-going pursuit of excellence in being the best Kirk that God designed him to be. May we all follow his example in following the Bible and being the best individual that God designed us each to be.
Report Post »hatchetjob
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:42pmAmen to that!
Report Post »swift_driver
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:51pmMr. Cameron is a patriot, in every sense of the word.
Report Post »ScienceIsNotEvil
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 5:13pmFunny how his biblical based parenting seminars fail to cover what the bible states is to be the punishment for disobedient kids. Then again teaching that your should kill your kid if he dares to act like a kid isn’t exactly a way to attract a lot of followers.
So can I assume that you only follow the portions of the bible that your modern sensibility agree with?
Report Post »From Virginia
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 8:33pm@Science – The bible tells Christians to kill their kids if their don’t behave? REally? You must’ve missed the story of the prodical son.
As far as I know only liberals kills their kids – just for the offense of existing in their wombs.
Report Post »binge_thinker
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 9:07pm@ Science
Some things are so obviously wrong and some opinions so obviously misinformed that no rebuttal is required.
Report Post »Your entire silly post fits the bill.
ScienceIsNotEvil
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 10:59pmFrom Virginia,
Yes it does.
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
18 If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard.” 21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.
It also says that non-believers, such as myself, are to be taken away from the town and stoned to death. So why aren’t you gathering stones to kill me? Your holy book, after all, tells you to.
Perhaps you should read it all sometime and realize that all those people getting killed in in by your god and those who follow him are humans as well. Some of them are innocent kids and babies who your god kills which is rather strange since most Christian’s assure me he is against the murder of innocents.
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:18pmChristianity is a false religion.The word “Christianity” is not in the Bible. The word “Bible” is not in the Bible. Jesus never called himself a Christian. Jesus never said ‘I come to establish Christianity as a religion’.Jesus never said ‘I come to establish Hinduism, Buddhism or Judaism as a religion’. These are all man made names for man made religions. What do these names all have in common….they’re all derivative names of men, thus you have it, man made religion.
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:28pmIts funny you see because we Christians don’t feel the need to rip everyone apart like you are doing. I hope you can find the love and peace that come only from God and I will pray that you do. This man’s accomplishments are huge whether you are of the faith or not, that should be respected.
Report Post »Wayner
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:37pmThat is about the most stupid statement I’ve ever heard…. It’s obvious that you have never even read the Bible…. Go to the Book of Acts (it’s in the Bible) and find where the deciples where first called “Christians” at Antioch…. Jesus said that He had come to build His “Church”…
Report Post »swift_driver
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:38pmYou have a very obtuse and twisted view of something which you’ve not studied.
Report Post »Zeke2020
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:45pmYour argument is beyond foolish. You can call it Christianity, Messiahnism, Advanced Judaism, or whatever. Its PRECEPTS are what’s important.
“A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.”
Report Post »– William Shakespeare
TheLordReigns
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:45pm23 When he came and had seen the grace of God, he was glad, and encouraged them all that with purpose of heart they should continue with the Lord. 24 For he was a good man, full of the Holy Spirit and of faith. And a great many people were added to the Lord.
25 Then Barnabas departed for Tarsus to seek Saul. 26 And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. So it was that for a whole year they assembled with the church and taught a great many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch
BELIEVERS WERE FIRST CALLED “CHRISTIANS”
Report Post »Jesus is LORD whether you accept it or not and by the Grace of God, I pray HE grant you repentance, BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD FOREVER! THE LORD REIGNS! JESUS IS GOD
COFemale
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:49pmSomebody woke up on the wrong side of bed today didn’t we SURHAN. Did someone lick the red off your candy too?
If you don’t believe in God that is your choice, but don‘t disparage my beliefs because you can’t cope. The only reason you don‘t want to follow God’s laws is because you are too arrogant and think you don’t have to answer to anyone else. When the times comes, when you are about to draw your last breath, lets see just how brave you are to die alone.
Report Post »TheLordReigns
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:54pmACTS 11:26
And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:23pmI wish that my Christian brothers and sisters would learn to read before they start answering posts. I didn’t say the word Christians is not in the Bible, I said the word ‘Christianity’ is not in the Bible. Christianity is the name of your religion and the followers of that religion are called Christians. You guys and girls need to wise up!
@ HORSECRAZY- I didn’t rip Mr. Cameron I ripped his so-called religion. Smarten up!
@ WAYNER- You need to take a course on reading comprehension.
@ SWIFT_DRIVER- The best way to prove me wrong is to show me from Bible scripture, but you can’t so the next best thing is to attack me.
@ ZEKE2020- If God called His religion Christianity, and the Bible is His Word than the words Christianity and Bible ought to be in his book.
@ THELORDREIGNS- Learn to read sir/ma’am, I didn’t say Christian.
@ COFEMALE- I believe in God. My belief tells me I came into this world alone and when I die, I will die alone.
Report Post »PapaPatriarch
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 2:37pm1 John 2:22 – 23 “Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is anitchrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.” (also read 1 John 4:2-3) (K.J.V.)
Report Post »1 John 5: 12 “He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.”
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”
klevalt
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:10pmThe Bible, as Mr Cameron points out, is a place to find all of those explanations. Begin reading it, with an open heart and your eyes will be opened to the Truth. I am thankful for those Christians… Believers who are large in society, coming out to proclaim the Name of Jesus for all to hear! I can reach only a few as a disciple… People like Cameron, Tebow and Blake **** have a pedestal granted to them by God, and they have also been granted the humility to know His Grace when they receive it, which in turn allows it to flow so freely through them. Thank you!
Report Post »DeavonReye
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 11:09amOh, . . . I found “truth” in it. I couldn’t condone the “truth” I read with an open mind and “heart”. I also found nothing that a human wouldn’t think of. No mystery here. Men DID write it.
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:08pmUnless he’s learned more since then, I was done with Kirk Cameron when he tried to use a banana as disproof of evolution.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0geHA2yHSZI
Report Post »EndTheGOPTEA
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:51pmI love it!! I use the same reason as to why I masturbate.. Ah.. Fits in my hands.. My Hand are at just the right distance.. Blaa Blaa Blaa.. Cameron is a Tool.
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:58pmDisproof of Ray Comfort/Kirk Cameron banana argument -
The coconut – cannot open without tools
Report Post »The watermelon – doesn’t fit nicely in your hand
COFemale
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:01pmSome people are just born with that ICK factor, I see the two of you are no exception.
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:14pmCofemale,
Perhaps you can elaborate?
Report Post »EndTheGOPTEA
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:29pmSuspend The Intellect and you will be fine with Religion..lol
Report Post »jimmyv777
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:08pm@GER
Thats your take on the article above, really? That’s what you got out of it? You must have a different article on your screen. Only liberals draw fake conclusions about something that was never mentioned in the article or did Kirk Cameron say anything close to what you are talking about! You are dillusional!
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:04pmPeople in general tend to assert things that are unfounded from the information in articles. It’s not just limited to liberals.
Report Post »DeavonReye
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:05pmSorry, but Kirk Cameron was never a TRUE atheist. He was just indifferent to religion as a kid. Big deal. Many kids ARE indifferent. He wondered about things that no true atheist would even consider. An atheist doesn’t ponder “life after death” and “if there IS a god, what does that mean for me?”
Now, he is free to hold to unsubstantiated and non-demonstrable ideologies if he wants. But he needs to be honest about his actual past. Let him be truthful about “being a child actor, which goes to your head, making you think you are the center of the world, that all ending, sitting in a sports car wondering why he no longer is the center, wondering about the things he did, and then finding god to appease his emptiness”. That he was drawn to this while courting a girl seems to be an importance to this. Not saying it DID, but is a possibility.
Having said all that, he may be right [on some level] when it comes to the direction of this country. However, faux pas like “the crocoduck” and “the banana” lowers his credibility a bit.
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:09pmIf he didn’t believe in God, he was an atheist.
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:24pmits amazing that after reading the article, you just sit and pick pick pick apart this person. you see the basis of Christianity is we are all works in progress. He is doing fantastic things in his life and in the life of his family. What are you doing? Picking apart, tearing down etc etc. My prayer is that you will find the love that God has to offer, the one where you no longer feel the need to rip apart others and to truly be at peace.
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:59pmHmm. a little judgmental, deciding what Kirk actually believed; arrogant. Yep, truly a devil’s disciple. You must make him proud Deavon, Satan that is, not Kirk. I love it when a NON-CHRISTIAN, GOD HATING IDIOT, tells Christians what they believe and think, not to mention what the BIBLE says.
Who do you think the hell you are? Here let me play you.
You really aren’t an atheist. I think you grew up not knowing or being taught about God so you do not know any better. If you would just start reading the Bible and opening your mind up instead of keeping closed, you’d see what we see. You were just a dumb, clueless kid with mindless, clueless parents. HOW DID I DO?
Report Post »Quiata
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 7:53amAtheists HATE former atheists and treat them as traitors to the ‘faith’.
They find all kinds of reasons to explain the inexplicable: “Oh (sniff), he wasn’t a REAL, genuine atheist”…(or to explain the deathbed conversions)…”his/her mental faculties must have been failing in later life as he/she decided to believe in God”. ==> Sorry, all it takes is a little personal decision…and there it is, done.
Sounds like y’all atheists need to codify your atheist credentials and summarize the tenets of your lack of beliefs (a handbook with a checklist would be helpful).
Report Post »DeavonReye
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 10:55amCofemale, you are right that I should speak to what Kirk believed in his past. For that, I take back my comments on his past.
Report Post »DeavonReye
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 11:32am*correction* …shouldn‘t speak to Kirk’s past.
What I AM able to do is reject his reasons as being valid for me. It may have worked for him, but a Pascal‘s Wager type argument is faulty because the Egyptian god Seth could be who’s waiting for people when they die. I understand that people like christianity because it has “a nice afterlife”. But wishful thinking doesn’t make something true. . . . and if there WERE gods out there, why would you think they would automatically be ones to cater to YOUR eternal happiness? You aren’t guaranteed that.
Report Post »nofearmongeringhere
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 11:50amDear GODHATES….and what if this “creator god” doesn’t? You have every right to not believe in God or other entity greater than yourself, but why is it important for you to deride others for believing? Wouldn’t you call that “intolerant”?
Report Post »GodHatesFigs
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:23pmI don’t think that posing an alternate hypothesis is being intolerant. I find it odd that you do.
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:05pmWhen you disparage that person for that different “hypothesis” or whatever you want to call it, it is not offering an alternative view point. It is called bashing someone for their belief. It is called BULLYING.
Report Post »GodHatesFigs
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:56pmFrom the article:
Report Post »“…and others were correct..if there was a God and a heaven, I knew I wouldn’t be going,”
There are other gods than the god of the Bible. Endless conceivable gods. My point is that this watered down Pascal’s wager is a flimsy argument for God and even flimsier when you pose a specific god. Please point out where I am being intolerant or bullying.
searching for the Truth
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 11:43amGod smiles when one finds Him – His nemesis smiles when one doesn’t.
Report Post »girlnurse
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 5:18pmG.E.R. said: “and wants everything to be governed by a “biblical worldview,” just as in the days of the Pilgrims and Puritans”. Wow! Don’t know of that is true or not…but that would be sweet!
Report Post »From Virginia
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 8:18pm@Ger – Since we didn’t come from monkeys – but you believe YOU do – then logically (this is tripe but I’m saying it anyway) only YOU monkeys can evolve into sheep. And you are all sheep in your dogmatic denial of a Creator and you surely shall be sheepish when you come face to face with HIM!
Report Post »G.E.R
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 11:42amI think the thing that troubles me most about Cameron is his growing flirtation with Christian Reconstructionism, the most extreme wing of the Religious Right. Unlike most fundamentalists, adherents of this harsh theology aren’t expecting the imminent return of Jesus Christ. Instead they want to take “dominion” and impose a draconian version of “biblical law” on modern-day America for the next thousand years or so. Leading theorists of the movement advocate a rigid patriarchy with the death penalty imposed for a range of “crimes” running from adultery and homosexuality to witchcraft and worshipping false gods.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 11:56amYou obviously have NOT seen the movie.
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 11:58amHuh?!?!?
Well, I guess if you just “hate”, you can extrapolate pretty much anything from somebody’s beliefs.
Even if what you have hypothesized is true, do you really think that would produce a worse citizenry than that of atheism? Or, that which this country is currently producing???
Report Post »tajloc
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 11:59amHere is a news flash. You are acting like you choose God or not. What if He chooses you. Stop and pray right now that He would do that. Why should you contain any power in the universe. If there is one tiny unknown then God is not omnipotent. I pray for you and your ilk. And no I don‘t want to smash all you poor folks in sin ’cuz I am in sin also. BUT I am forgiven at the cross.
Report Post »Rom 8:28
searching for the Truth
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:01pmOh, be certain there won’t be any death penalty.
Report Post »G.E.R
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:09pmI have no intentions of seeing this fanatic propaganda trash. The cast of characters appearing in this POS movie is David Barton, a notorious fundamentalist myth-maker whose WallBuilders outfit has made a fortune selling Christian-nation crap, some of it so bogus even he has come to repudiate it. Another featured “expert” is Herb Titus, a law professor so extreme that TV preacher Pat Robertson had to can him as head of Regent University Law School. In more recent times, Titus has distinguished himself as a B-list birther luminary. And, for good measure, we have Marshall Foster, founder of the World History Institute (as well as the now apparently defunct Mayflower Institute). Foster rails against post-modern tolerance, and thinks public schools should be shut down and wants everything to be governed by a “biblical worldview,” just as in the days of the Pilgrims and Puritans.
Report Post »Bigmouth-strikes-again
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:24pmYou my friend couldn’t be more wrong. You just don’t get it, it’s all about love, honor and turning away from sin and back to God, not judging and punishing others. God has worked wonders in my life and every day I try to do something that will make God happy with my actions. Sadly – what I or others write on a forum probably won’t change your mind, but I truly hope you can find the peace and joy that I have found with a relationship with God.
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:18pmAh, Geez one of those intellectuals who thinks he knows how Kirk thinks. Frankly, where do you people come from? Who appointed you the keeper of all thought? DAY AFTER DAY you prove your ARROGANCE. You are wasting your breath. Go play on the DU or Huffington Roast or Media Blathers, they’d love you there and hap up your intellect or lack thereof with open arms.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:32pmG.E.R
Well other have refuted you, so I really fell no need to do so.
I saw the post name & I knew what you would say. I really hope it was cathartic for you, because that is all it accomplished.
Report Post »outofthemire93
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 2:42pm..for the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness, but unto us that are saved it is the power of God… I Cor 1:18
…for the foolishness of God is wiser than man’s wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man’s strength… I Cor 1:25
..for after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God through the FOOLISHNESS of preaching to save them that BELIEVE… 1 Cor 1:21
…the man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are FOOLISHNESS to him, and he CANNOT understand them because they are spiritually discerned. I Cor 2:14
I could go on and on. But the point is we must choose to believe FIRST, and then God will PROVE Himself to us. He is so awesome. Also, the bible is absolutely FULL of fulfilled prophecies to anyone who really takes the time to investigate. Seek and ye shall find. BE A SEEKER!! You haven’t lived until you know God.
Report Post »reality_check
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 3:07pmFulfilled Prophecy as Evidence for the Bible’s Divine Origin
http://www.faithfacts.org/search-for-truth/maps/fulfilled-prophecy-as-evidence
Over 2,000 of the 2,500 prophecies in the Bible have already been proven true.
Report Post »G.E.R
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 10:34pmThere’s a reason you monkeys are called sheep
Report Post »chameleonx
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 11:41amI wonder how people would react if Kirk Cameron mentioned he was a former Christian who found salvation in Islam. Never understood the foolishness of Christianity.
Report Post »IMCHRISTIAN
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 11:44amPerhaps you are one that really need to see the film.
Report Post »chameleonx
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 11:50amNo thanks. I refuse to follow religion. I have read about other movies and books the Way of the Master ministries have released and found them to be extremely inaccurate and pointless propaganda. As I mentioned before what if Kirk Cameron was a former Christian who converted to Islam. Would any of you guys be saying the same if Cameron was a Muslim who released a movie promoting America to get on the right track? I’m neither a Christian nor a Muslim but I want to explain why I do not think Cameron is helping anyone and him claiming to be a “former atheist” a lie he himself accidentally exposed when he then accused rationalism of being a belief based on faith.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 11:58amYes .. he “invented” the monument (sarcasm)… you are closed minded .. and uninformed … sad.
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:00pmCat Stevens, anyone???
Report Post »hi
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:14pmWhy would anyone follow a pedophile, woman abuser?(Mohammad)
Report Post »Islam=Kill Infidel
Christ=Love Enemies
chameleonx
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:22pmI can say the same about any religion. All religion does have good ideas to treat other better. But there is the bad with the good. Christianity has the good, the bad, and the ugly the same with Islam and any other religion. But for people to want to use their religion to control others I do not respect.
Report Post »swift_driver
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:55pmFinally, with roughly 2000 years of philosophical study, the Christian moral position is far from poorly thought out, and one need not turn to any deity be it real or imagined to demonstrate that you are an argumentative and intellectual lightweight. You are simply too small for this ride and while whining about it may get you some free cotton candy, you still won’t be allowed on the big boy coaster.
Report Post »VanceUppercut
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 11:32amOh Kirk, people who live in glass closets shouldn’t throw stones.
Report Post »lala76
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 11:51amOh VANCEUPPERCUT, could you be any more vague? Try growing up and standing for something instead of being so passive-aggressive.
Report Post »Clive
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:17pmVague? Kirk Cameron is a closet homosexual, thats not news. People have known that for a while, his self hate and hypocrisy are strong. PS. He isn’t going to heaven folks.
Report Post »swift_driver
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:47pmYou smitten Clive?
Report Post »People like you are so scared about opposing views that the most intelligent come back you have is that Bible-believing people like Mr. Cameron are either gay or their spouses are. That signals to me that you seem to be nothing but homophobe and a loser.
Walkabout
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 3:11pmYou have pictures of you & kirk?
By the Roman way of things if Kirk was on top he would still be masculine, but you would not be.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 3:16pmFifteen stories on Kirk Cameron. Gays are obsessed with him. They think they can get the goods on him too. If that is from 20 years ago or after he says he was saved , who knows.
http://joemygod.blogspot.com/search?q=kirk+Cameron
P.S. It really bothers them if they think someone is & they can’t prove it.
Report Post »IMCHRISTIAN
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 11:20amI am so proud that Kirk has turned his life around and sees what Jesus has done for us. Most importantly God is so proud. Good luck with the movie and God Bless you.
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:04pmI wouldn’t agree Kirk “has turned his life around”. He was obviously a solid citizen prior to his discovery.
This man is a shining example of the type of man that made America possible in the first place. What is it? Inner drive? Open mindedness? Willing to submit for the greater good of mankind? Honesty? Vision? Whatever it is, not many men these days have it, or have the stones to practice it.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:29pmhauschild
Some gays said he use to cruise a certain part of West Hollywood. I don’t know the truth of the matter, but it is plastered on their sites. If they had a witness or 2 the knives would come out. Just the way they are.
Wouldn’t bother me much. People do stupid things when they are young.
Report Post »ScienceIsNotEvil
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 5:09pmWhen you next speak to your deity can you ask him to spend a little less time helping multimillionaire movie stars and a little more time helping the kids being eaten alive by the parasites you believe he spoke into existence?
Report Post »THXll38
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 11:20amGod does exist that is indeed a fact in my mind, but you do not need to be part of a man made religion or go to a man made church to follow your faith. Having a personal relationship with our Lord and Savior is God-made
Report Post »CatB
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 11:19amIt is a GREAT film … everyone should see .. watch for it to come to a theater near you .. and GO!
I would LOVE to have a screening for everyone in government .. especially Congress, the SCOTUS and the current White House .. even though it would most likely be wasted on some .. at least we could try.
Thanks again Kirk for sharing the monumental movie … MONUMENTAL
Report Post »BV FROM TX
Posted on April 2, 2012 at 2:08amThat monument is so awesome and it is amazing that so many of us were unaware of its existence. The people that built it knew all of the principles necessary to make this country great. It is such a shame and disgrace that history is being rewritten so that students in public schools will never know the true history or great sacrifice of the people of this great nation. It was an excellent movie and it is great that the monument will be restored.
Report Post »randy
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 11:19amGod Bless you Kirk!
Report Post »GodHatesFigs
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 11:18amSounds like Mr. Cameron is easily swayed. Some lame version of Pascal’s wager convinces him? What if this “creator god” values critical thinking and scientific exploration and punishes people who believe things without sufficient evidence.
Report Post »klevalt
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:03pmIs there a Biblical passage which supports your hypothesis?
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:06pmAgreed. That statement he made about Pascal’s wager and the leap to “therefore Jesus” left me stupefied. It’s not an unusual leap though. So many people make that unfounded leap.
As far as scientific thinking goes, most people don’t realize their brain works on the same principle that science uses. The brain gathers data and builds a model about the world and uses that model to understand the world. The model is updated when it is challenged with conflicting data.
http://www.sciencenews.org/view/feature/id/334571/title/The_Probabilistic_Mind
Report Post »DeavonReye
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:07pmThere isn’t a “biblical passage” for rational thinking. What godhatesfigs said is true.
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:11pmKlevat, GodHatesFigs was posing an extra-biblical god.
Report Post »hi
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:18pm“Love the Lord you God with your heart, MIND. And soul”
“Be able to give an answer for why you believe.”
God does want us to use our minds. His existance is evident in His creation.
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:40pmHi,
“God does want us to use our minds. His existance is evident in His creation.”
How do you recognize his existence from creation without using your mind?
Report Post »DeavonReye
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 12:40pmHI, that is an unfounded assertion. It is about as effective as the muslim saying that “creation speaks to the truth of Allah”.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:23pmGodHatesFigs
Why don’t you just come out with it & say God Hates **** instead of being coy about it like a blushing newlywed? In reality God hates sin nit sinners. So how about never posting her under that name ever again.
Pascal’s Wager is a start. It is a hook. There is so much more like Commandments 6 thru 10. Who could argue with those. Then there us Jesus pronouncements on the nature of sin. Those are great. Pascal’s Wager is just one of many lead ins to the rest of it.
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:33pmDumb, Dumber, and Dumbest all arguing with each other – Love it. Keep it up, I need a good laugh this morning.
A prudent man conceals his knowledge, but fools proclaim their folly. Proverbs 12:23
Report Post »GodHatesFigs
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 2:26pm@COFEMALE
Report Post »By stating that the people in this thread are dumb, and that you are laughing at their expense, you are implying that you are smarter than them, against the very advise you are giving them.