‘Blood On Their Hands’: RNC Chair Hits Back at Obama Camp Over Proposed Medicare Cuts
- Posted on August 12, 2012 at 5:22pm by
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Democrats appeared to waste no time after Mitt Romney announced Paul Ryan would be his running mate in pushing the idea that, because Paul Ryan is in favor of entitlement reform, Republicans metaphorically want to push little old ladies off cliffs.
Erica Payne, President of the Agenda Project, commented: “Mitt Romney chose a radical Medicare-hater as his running mate. Now Americans get to decide if the Medicare-haters run the country.”
(Related: Priorities USA Founder Defends ‘Romney Killed My Wife’ Ad)
Republicans have been quick to point out, however, that while Paul Ryan proposes cutting entitlements across the board in an effort to keep both our existing promises and the country’s fiscal solvency, Barack Obama also cut about $700 billion from Medicare to fund his signature health care legislation.
RNC Chair Reince Priebus made news Sunday after going on the offensive, saying: “If any person in this entire debate has blood on their hands in regard to Medicare, it’s Barack Obama. He’s the one that’s destroying Medicare.”
Watch his full remarks on Meet the Press, via Mediaite:
Responding to David Gregory’s assertion that Paul Ryan wants to fundamentally change Medicare and “expose” seniors to the private market, Priebus explained:
David, if we do nothing and if we go down the road that this president wants to go down… Medicare will be changed forever as we know it. It’ll be bankrupt by 2024. Medicare is going broke. Every person in America watching this now knows that that’s true. This president stole– he didn’t cut Medicare– he stole $700 billion from Medicare to fund Obamacare. If any person in this entire debate has blood on their hands in regard to Medicare, it’s Barack Obama. He‘s the one that’s destroying Medicare.
We are the ones that are offering solutions as to how to, number one, preserve Medicare for seniors that are at or near retirement, and, number two, figure out a way the make sure that for future generations– we‘re talking about if you’re 54 or younger, how to save Medicare and Social Security.
Priebus concluded by saying that Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan are willing to take real action in tackling the difficult problems, as opposed to a president who “loves the sound of his own voice” and “not only offers nothing, he makes everything worse.”
This post has been updated.
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Comments (135)
EZDOZIT
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 10:33pmObama has signed a death sentence on the senior citizens!
Report Post »The democracts know the seniors that vote for them will keep doing so until they die and even after.
Look at it as an envestment, you take 700 Billion from seniors with a few years of democract votes left in them and redirect it to the young immigrants that the dems will get decades of votes from. It’s a WIN WIN for the dems. Once again the dems have us all pay to keep them in power,LOL.
yougottabekidding
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 11:18pmAnd they do not care that no one will be putting money in.
Report Post »They are destroying the middle class for their own gains
What they want is rich social elite with no chance of people
To have the opportunity to achieve
13Lena
Posted on August 13, 2012 at 3:58amYes Obama wants to have death panels and decides who lives who dies and who gets the perks that will be young illegals who will stand by him. Don’t forget his wanting to decide how much we make how much we will be taxed, he will take our houses our money our business and our guns and our souls. It is already starting and Obama care hasn’t kicked in yet. My neighbors grandfather needs dialysis and they are stopping it because they say he is too old for it to help. If a person under Obama care tries to look for their own doctor and pay cash the doctor will be fined and lose his/her license. It is starting and the ones that will suffer will be new born and seniors. One better hope their baby or grandparent does not get sick as they will be left to die, just like when Obama signed the bill in Chicago to allow deformed or special needs children and children who survived a partial birth abortion to lay on a cold table and die. If America doesn’t wake up our babies and elderly will be put in mass graves. Obama is a dangerous person and he has to be voted out.
Report Post »realindependent
Posted on August 13, 2012 at 4:29amIf Republicans would tell the truth. Obama cut 700 billion to medicare ADVANTAGE. Which duped seniors under Bush to switch from traditional Medicare to Medicare Advantage a PRIVATE insurance option. Which according to the congressional Budget Office says costs the government 10% more in costs than traditional Medicare. The cuts were also to drug companies, and insurance companies profits to make it comparable to regular Medicare. But why let FACTS get in the way of a good talking point….
Easily debunked like most of your lie’s republicorps
Report Post »Deb C
Posted on August 13, 2012 at 10:41amHeyyyy isn’t that a page right outta the Union handbook – How To Borrow Pension Funds Without Getting Caught
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:09amHope you like vouchers for your Medicare. Ryan is going to be so gracious in allowing you that.
Report Post »palerider54
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 9:04pmThey need to take Obama, and every other politician back to LBJ, that ever raided the coffers of SS for any other program, try them for treason, shoot the ones still living, and raid ALL of their surviving families fortunes and make them homeless.
How much more of this Chicago style of gangster politics are we going to tolerate before we start forming militia groups to deal with it the old fashioned way ?
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 9:15pmGood idea ,,,, If you want to join a militia they do exist already, there are thousands of Patriots.
Report Post »txdave22
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 10:08pmFARMERS ACROSS MIDWEST ANGRY AT WEAK GOP LEADERSHIP IN HOUSE IN FAILURE TO PASS FARM BILL—————While the House Agriculture Committee signed off on a measure, its substantial cuts to food programs alienated too many Democrats. And its cuts to those programs, as well as to some forms of farm aid, were not enough to appease the chamber’s most conservative members.
Republican leaders were unable to muster enough support for even a one-year extension of the law and instead passed a short-term drought-relief measure, the first time the House has failed to bring its own farm bill to the floor. The Senate, which had passed its own version by a healthy bipartisan margin, declined to take up the short-term House bill, and Congress left town in a stalemate.
Report Post »Verceofreason
Posted on August 13, 2012 at 1:28amMost of them would be Republicans, hon.
Report Post »woodyee
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 8:20pmATTENHUT!!!
WHERE THE F IS BOEHNER!!!! The Speaker of the House should have been front and center after Romney’s pick, and that dirtbag has been MIA for months! Someone oughta take John McCains bad arm and hit boehner over the head with it to wake his atrocious arse up!
On second thought, let him sleep…last thing our Country needs is a RINO swinging his bat into the coming party in November!
Report Post »jzs
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 8:34pmThis is the zombie Republican lie that simply refuses to die no matter how many times it’s refuted:
http://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/statements/2012/jun/29/jon-runyan/jon-runyan-claims-barack-obamas-health-care-includ/
It’s a good example of the strategy of, given your opponent is going to attack you on an issue, attack them on the same issue.
Obama did not cut guaranteed Medicare payments. Romney, on the other hand, would give you a voucher system: they write you a check and you get your own insurance. The plan saves money because those checks are never going to keep up with the increasing cost of medical care, shifting the cost to the elderly. That’s how it saves money for goodness sakes, by making those least able to pay, the elderly, to pay more. Now that’s not a problem for rich folks, because they have money in the bank. But for you and me? Not such a great idea.
Report Post »eyestoseeearstohear
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 8:36pmObama PROBABLY had BoneHead locked up in a TIME OUT closet some where -
as punishment for THINKING ABOUT SUPPORTING ROMNEY & RYAN.
IF NOT, he’s somewhere scared to give an opinion, one way or another and will
Report Post »probably wait until AFTER Nov. 6, to come out in favor of anyone.
soybomb315_II
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 8:37pmBoehner has been out having tea with Nancy Pelosi
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 8:59pm@soybean
And Ron Paul has been ‘Out To Lunch’ for the past 20 years.
Report Post »Sirfoldallot
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 9:02pmObama needs 2 show his school transcrips cause he is distrorying this nation.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 9:04pmJZS
If you slow the rate of growth of a program is is a cut. That is the dogma put out from Democrat party, who are entrenched in Washington. They have the majority of power in Washington (Presidency, Senate & the old stream press).
You know that if there wasn’t Obama care there would have base line budgeted medicare for double digit growth every year & screamed bloody murder if the Republicans shaved a percentage point off its rate of growth.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 10:35pmWalkabout, so you’re against cutting back on the growth Medicare? You’re confused. That’s what Republicans are in favor of. Try to reconcile your ideas about what you are in favor of and what you are against. You can’t be both for and against the same thing.
Report Post »yougottabekidding
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 11:30pmJ
Report Post »Hussain does it in a big way
First increasing the deficit is unpatriotic till he does it in a big way
then it’s the patriotic thing to do
paul1149
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 8:15pmGregory is a partisan hack. He’s out to trip up Priebus, but got taken to school. Tough day when your sophomoric “gotchas” don’t work, eh David? Priebus is a real credit to the party and the nation.
Report Post »TurboCat
Posted on August 13, 2012 at 3:00amThank you Wisconsin, thank you for Paul Ryan, Scott Walker, Ron Johnson, Reince Priebus, and anyone I may have left out. I am in CA and have been watching WI since the freaking Unions began their vicious attack on Scott Walker. I saw what they did day after day, the thugs intimidated business people, High School children, and anyone they came across who they felt like bullying. They were an absolute mob, out of control, and I saw what the Union Thugs did when they trapped that poor older guy who was in your Congress when he could not get into the building. I think that one Democrat who came by at that time saved his life because the Union THUGS were about to tear him up from their pure hatred! These things who almost did that were NOT HUMAN! It was a miracle that they lost their recall.
Report Post »bigdaddyt46
Posted on August 13, 2012 at 4:17amfrom a Wisconsin resident to turbo
you’re welcome.
life is sooooooooooooo unfair sometimes. i have been a big fan of Ryan’s for years, nut was never in his district to vote for him. they did redistricting here in may 2012 and i got excited because we were moved to his district. now i still can’t vote for him as our district rep. *sniffle sniffle*
Report Post »Seede
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 8:04pmGet rid of that SCOTUS and SENATE and give the people’s rights back to the congress where they belong. The states will either sink or swim and that;s the way it should be. No more free corn for the Bloomberg gang or freebies for the safe states. That will also solve your immigration problem The DC gang can work three months out of the year and get a job. That should keep them half way honest.
Report Post »kevway45
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 7:32pmPeople can argue over what they will or will not give up. The truth is, if something is not done there will be no safety nets, no social security or retirement for any one. By the way I believe no country in history has ever paid off there debt but all have went under leaving the people with nothing. At least Ryan has the guts to say it
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 7:54pmCAN YOU EVEN BEGIN TO BELIEVE THIS GARBAGE: HEADLINE WAS OBAMA CAMP DEFENDS HIS CUTTING $700BILLION OUT OF MEDICARE…. OMGOSH… ((I don’t know if I can do with out cussing like a sailor – apologies to Navy)
DO those dopes really think we are all so STOOPID that we will believe that HIS MAJESTY BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA actually CUT COSTS (like FRAUD/WASTE) on MEDICARE so he could there for
“take SEVEN HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS (almost a TRILLION) SEVEN HUNDRED BILLION out of
Medicare and we‘re supposed to believe it’s because that ……I can’t type without swearing…. that…creep didn’t just GUT MEDICARE for his Income distributing MEDICAID?????
VOTE THIS SOB OUT… VOTE HIM OUT… He doesn’t deserve to be there one more minute, he never deserved to be there.
He’s such a loser!!! ALL YOU PEOPLE VOTED FOR WORDS….. now you have DEEDS. VOTE ON DEEDS!!
I can’t believe that lying Cutter (his mouthpiece) is now trying to say …Obama SAVED us this much…that stupid woman has NO CLUE. NONE.
I know what they are up to….
THEY
ARE
TRYING
TO
DRIVE
US
ALL
CRAZY….
I do, I confess it, I hate them.
Deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter defended President Obama’s $700 billion cuts to Medicare:
“On top of the savings we’ve already achieved. You know I heard Mitt Romney deride the $700 billion cuts in Medicare that the president achieved through health care reform,” said Cutter.
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 8:01pmtherefore
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 9:29pmBill Clinton robbed the social security trust fund so he could claim he balanced the budget.
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 7:28pmSo RNC thinks medicare should NOT be cut??? I am confused
Ugh i hate these politics
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 7:42pm‘I am confused’
You seem to be confused a lot. might what to see a doctor.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 7:42pmTheir base is all on medicare. Nothing to be confused about. They like they’re power and want to keep it. Their base is a bunch of old white baby boomers and seniors. They’re not going to risk ******* them off. We on the other hand don’t matter, YET.
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 7:51pmI’m BarackObama, and I approve of justangry’s post.
Report Post »ghengiskhan2012
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 8:01pmAs long as the issue is cast as one of how to finance the demand for health care, there is no hope. We must recognize that ALL government medical care policy involves three elements:
(1) Inflating demand;
(2) Restricting supply;
(3) New government programs to finance the consequent price increases.
The only solution lies in allowing the free market to increase the SUPPLY of health care. The only productive role for government at this point is to mobilize the educational establishment decrease the general level of ignorance about the consumption of medical services.
Report Post »DoGooder
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 7:27pmObama and the Distructocrats have screwed up so much stuff. I say hit them everyday with more truth, don’t give them time to spin it..hit them hard, fast and without letting up all the way to election day!!! Hit them from every angle, don’t let them get a breath. Hit them EVERYDAY..hard!
Report Post »Jessff00
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 8:20pmIts already baked in the cake my friend. Obama WILL get a second term, one way or another. He is a COG in the progressive wheel that has been planning this for over 100yrs. If you dont think they will try to stay in power by ANY MEANS POSSIBLE…..you got another thing comming……
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 7:21pmi am all for getting rid of these entitlements there generational theft from the young to the old. which is why i prefer Paul over Johnson, i would prefer them gone than reformed even into private accounts. goverment should have no role in managing my retirement when they can’t manage a budget.
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 7:28pmUntil you are retirement age, then you‘ll be screaming ’WHERE‘S MY MONEY’
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 7:35pmNo, we are not like Time2
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 7:46pm@soybean
You are correct your not like Time2, he’s not trying to get Obama reelected.
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 8:35pm@thereal
Report Post »if you want to blame someone, look no further than your own party
therealconservative
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 9:06pm@soybean
What’s my party? Please tell me since you seem to know.
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 9:15pmrepublican. That is why you get so offended when anyone talks about 3rd party – also why you call us ‘obama supporters’
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 10:12pm@soybean
You see that’s the problem with the Paul “Followers” and Liberals, everyone MUST fall into the ‘Correct’ category as deemed by their agenda. Wake up and stop being a ‘FOLLOWER’
Report Post »tothepoint
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 7:09pmThe corrupt Dems took hundreds of billions of dollars from Medicare as a way to pretend Obamacare “Won’t cost taxpyaers one dime” (Obama’s own lying words.)
Report Post »Obama and his gang not only have blood on their hands with the “Fast and Furious” murders, they now are stealing from Medicare.
The Dems think Americans are stupid and “Won’t notice it.”
It would be laughable if it wasn’t so horrible.
GeorgieJo
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 8:18pmHOW DOES ERIC HOLDER SLEEP?
RIP Brian Terry
Report Post »burnteye86
Posted on August 13, 2012 at 4:40amHe sleeps just fine because he has no conscious. And he has guards outside his door with guns.
Report Post »Larry E
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 6:46pmHey, Medicare only takes care of old people who’ve paid for everything all their lives and worked, Obama and the progresso-commies want to take care of the lazy who’ve never done anything so suck it up. The young people who aren‘t going to have jobs because of Obama’s policies, and they need to be taken care of by Big Brother. The old people will meet the death panels and be gone anyway. Oh, and Palin lied about those death panels too.
Report Post »OlefromMN
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 6:39pmFingers crossed! The GOP is starting to show some courage in explaining the other side of the story. Reality is hard for many to hear, but Reince just gave a good dose of it.
Report Post »Stiggs
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 7:00pmYou and me both! I hope Americans are given a cram course in economics and lie-busting over the next 85 days.
Report Post »pizzacorner
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 6:20pmFinally Mitt gets MSM to talk about real issues like Medicare, which Obama robbed from…..pretty slick. Paul Ryan looks better every hour.
Report Post »Diane TX
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 6:12pmEven for the “Ron Paul” supporters, Paul Ryan should be to their liking. Ryan is trying to “undo” Social Security, that where everyone working was forced to pay into, whether the wanted to or not. This has to be done gradually because it would be stealing from those who were forced to pay into it.
No one 55 or older will be affected by Ryan’s plan. That’s because anyone 55 or younger is 10 years or more from possibly receiving benefits. The plan is to allow younger people to choose how THEY want to save for their retirement.
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 6:36pm@Diane TX
Report Post »The Paulbots want 0bama to get reelected. They couldn’t care less about the constitution.
justangry
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 7:01pm@Willy You’re a liar. The only thing we care about is the Constitution. You’re one of the head d**ks in charge of spreading this BS that we’re Obama plants instead of genuine Americans that are fed up and you have absolutely nothing to back it up. You’re just trying to herd people back into the one party system.
@Diane, Nah, I’m not a huge fan. He’s a hawk, his budgets are bogus and he has an very bad record of standing up for American freedom though he doesn’t come off that way. If we just listened to his speaches and the media, he would be awesome, but his voting record sucks. He is much farther to the right than what I expected Romney to chose though. The thing you have to realize about us, is any time the media talks about a politician we’re not familiar with, we ignore everything they say and go straight to the voting record. There are key votes out there we’re each looking at. Whether it’s tarp, bailouts or civil liberties, wars, nation building, etc. There are maybe 6 or 7 congressmen and 2 or 3 senators in the republican party, for me, that I like because I’m looking at how they voted on the post 9/11 legislation.
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 7:17pmits Obama and Romney we don’t care about its liberty constitution and revolution we do care about. honestly the only reason why we would want Obama to win over Romney is because 4 years is less than 8 to try again because you folks will not hold his feet to the fire and impeach or prosecute him for violations of law or war crimes. Paul Ryan’s budget is a joke and he has accomplished not very much and has voted against his so called principles so not really impressed with him. Were more focused on getting liberty candidates voted in the house and senate which also helps your so called party. there are allot more of them this time than last.
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 7:37pm@justbecause
You don’t know the first thing about the Constitution, the Founding Fathers or our history. Your a ‘Follower’ who believes whatever your told to believe.
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 7:37pm@Diane
Paul Ryan is a step in the right direction – someone who at least talks a good game but doesnt have a good record. That is better than someone like Romney who doesnt talk a good game and has a socialist record
To us, Paul Ryan’s plan is a joke because it doesnt even balance the budget in the first 20 years (and that is BEFORE beaurocrats begin ‘tweaking’ it). Rand Paul‘s plan is light years ahead of Paul Ryan’s
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 7:54pm@justangry
Report Post »If you cared about the constitution, you wouldn’t be working so hard to help 0bama get reelected …plain and simple.
therealconservative
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 7:55pm@soybean
How many budget plans has RP written, introduced and had pass?
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 7:59pm@indiv
“honestly the only reason why we would want Obama to win over Romney”
An amazing statement from someone you “Claims” to support the Constitution. But thanks for telling us what the Paul ‘FOLLOWERS’ are really trying to do.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 8:13pm@TheRealConservative, LOL, you really do irritate. Kind of like jock itch. I forgot we had your expertise on EVERYTHING to fall back on. Please impart your wisdom on how the Founders would have viewed the Patriot Act, NDAA, and HR347 and how these laws are consistent with the Bill of Rights.
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 8:16pm@Individualism
Report Post »If 0bama gets back in to FINISH what he has ALREADY STARTED, you won’t get a chance to try again. He has said it’s about 70% done and that sounds about right.
soybomb315_II
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 8:24pmi’ve been trying my hardest to ignore QP and thereal because they never respond to facts and logic. we are in a sad state in america because 50% are on the government doll and another 10% are like these two clowns.
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 8:35pm@soybomb315_II
The logical fact is, another four years of 0bama would be fatal for this country.
And by the way, Romney doesn’t have a “voting record”. He has never been in a position to vote on legislation.
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 8:44pmsee what i mean, after all these months – QP has yet to read our links to Romney’s record
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 8:55pmwell if the GOP takes the senate than Obama can’t do to much harm, it will be like Gingrich take over with Clinton. its likely the GOP will take the senate so you might want to focus on that because its more likely to happen than Romney being Obama by a longshot.
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 8:55pm@justbecause
The purpose of these laws is to go after the people that what to destroy our country. Did our founders use or need such laws, the answer is no. At the time of our Founders if you were a traitor, spy or deemed disloyal to the Revolution (American or not) you were executed or imprisoned. But wait that doesn’t go with the Ron Paul version of our Founders.
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 8:57pm@soybomb315_II
You don’t think people actually go to your Alex Jones and Lew Rockwell links, do you? We all know what they are and the kind of things they use in their brainwashing methods.
TURKEY: Large American bird.
BUZZARD: Large American bird.
TURKEY: Color is black.
BUZZARD: Color is black.
TURKEY: Has feathers covering all it‘s body except it’s head and feet.
BUZZARD: Has feathers covering all it‘s body except it’s head and feet.
TURKEY: Respiratory system includes air sacks.
BUZZARD: Respiratory system includes air sacks.
TURKEY: Has hollow bones to aid in flying.
BUZZARD: Has hollow bones to aid in flying.
TURKEY: Lays large white eggs.
BUZZARD: Lays large white eggs.
And there’s your proof that turkeys and buzzards are absolutely identical.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 9:00pm@Willy, Give it a rest. Romney and Obama share the same progressive view of Constitutionalism from the Harvard Law School. I’m advocating that people vote for someone outside the establishment because if enough people do so we could actually turn this ship around. Even if we don’t win, with enough of us standing firm the parties will no choice but to move our direction. I do believe Americans are ready for a change if we could just break through the barrier of people voting based on how they BELIEVE others will vote. I can‘t sit back and watch our nation’s freedom being destroyed by both parties without saying anything about it. Washington needs an attitude adjustment and I just don’t know any other way to make it happen.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 9:10pm@TheRealConservative, And there you go. You are a progressive. You basically just argued the Living Constitution Theory. Others that share your view of Constitutionalism are Woodrow Wilson, Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr., Justice Brandeis and more recently Justices’s Ginsburg, Kagan and Sotomayer.
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 9:13pm@soybean
Give us the FACTS on how RP is going to save us. Give us the FACTS on the Ron Paul budget that he has introduced and had pass in the House. Give us the FACTS on how Ron Paul is going to end the FED or ANY other agency. Give us FACTS how Ron Paul would do ANYTHING.
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 9:14pmHere are a few differences between 0bama and Romney.
None of these are true of Romney:
First President to preside over a cut to the credit-rating of the
United States.
First President to violate the War Powers Act.
First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally
obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.
First President to defy a Federal Judge’s court order to cease
implementing the Health Care Reform Law.
First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a
third party.
First President to spend a trillion dollars on ‘shovel-ready’ jobs when
there was no such thing as ‘shovel-ready’ jobs.
First President to abrogate bankruptcy law and turn over control of
major companies to his union supporters.
First President to by-pass Congress and implement the Dream Act through
executive fiat.
First President to order a secret amnesty program that stopped the
deportation of illegal immigrants across the U.S., including those with
criminal convictions.
First President to demand a company hand-over $20 billion to one of his
political appointees.
First President to have a law signed by an auto-pen without being
present.
First President to arbitrarily usurp congress, declare an existing
law unconstitutional and refuse to enforce it.
First President to threaten insurance companies if they publicly
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qpwillie
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 9:45pm@justangry
It doesn’t make a pinch of difference what you are “advocating” for. Ron Paul is not going to be president and if 0bama gets another term, nobody else will after that.
You don’t know anything about 0bama …except for that “voting record” you keep babbling about. If you did, you wouldn’t lump him in with anybody else.
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 10:05pm@just because
Now there’s your problem, you have no clue about the Founders. A+ for at least throwing some names out.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 10:09pm@Willy, Yeah yeah, I still don’t buy your logic. A vote for a 3rd party candidate is just that. I’m not going to vote for a progressive that despises individual liberty… you are.
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 10:27pm@indiv
Obama has already sown that he will bypass Congress.
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 10:35pmi will not waste my time posting Ron Paul links to someone who has ignored them or refused them in the past. What is the saying about throwing pearls to swine???
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 10:44pm@soybean
“i will not waste my time posting Ron Paul links”
THANK YOU. We are getting tired of the same old BS links to RP, Lou Rockwell, Alex Jones and of course the always popular Ron Paul “Follower” link ‘Youtube’.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 10:45pm@TheReal, Yes, I’m clueless on many things. Recognizing that keeps me hungry to learn more. You, on the other hand, know EVERYTHING. Of course you just argued the standard progressive view of constitutionalism (a view shared by Obama btw) then lobbed insults at me when I called you on it. Try a little humility sometime. I might do you some good.
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 11:07pm@just
You say your hungry to learn more, but you refuse to learn anything that is not passed down from the alter of Ron Paul. Then you insult our Founders by lumping their vision of the country in with Obama’s.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 13, 2012 at 12:34am@Real, Oh for crying out loud. The only thing I’ve learned from the “altar of Paul” is the Austrian economics. The rest I derrived at on my own through my education and reading. The constitutional theory I’ve been discussing, the one that YOU are arguing, originated in the Progressive Era. It has nothing to do with the founders and is the theory I linked to Obama’s. Why don’t you learn a little about the Living Constitution Theory vs. Originalism before you run your mouth off, because you obviously have no clue what I’m referring to.
Report Post »truthnstuff
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 6:02pmFinally, looks like the Romney team is going to hit back hard. Call the commies for what they are. It is more than the economy.It is the reason for the bad economy. It is the Facist/Marxist/Communist policies of this America hating racist who is at the helm.
They hate free markets and free people.
Report Post »mapgirl10
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 6:02pmThe spin machine is cranked up and wants to trip up the country with twisted messages.
Report Post »TJexcite
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 5:59pmReince Priebus was the best thing that could happen to the RNC. This and last week calling Harry Reid a dirty liar.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 6:25pmIn my opinion, Reince Priebus, is a lying, cheating, Obama style politics criminal. I cannot believe the masses are willing to turn blind eyes to criminal activity just because it was done by Republicans. Sad times for the GOP.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 7:11pmYes, Harry Reid is a liar and should be called on it. That being said, I’m agreeing with my brother WCP on this. What the RNC did this election cycle is criminal and until they fix it and the perpetrators are punished for their crimes, I will not support this corrupt party. I know you all don’t care, but it may present a problem when all the old timers start kicking the bucket once Romneycare kicks in. I’m sorry I meant Obamacare. Of course, no one is going to accept WCP‘s and my word on this and it’s not being discussed by the MSM. I’m sure the establishment has enough $$$ to bury it, but I, and a lot of newly elected delegates, know it’s true.
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 7:18pmrule 11 violation oust him with it at the convention.
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 8:05pm@indiv
I see now it’s Rule 11. A couple of months ago it was rule 38, until you found out the state law trumped it.
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 8:11pm@left coast
I see your still around, guess the DNC didn’t lay you off.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on August 13, 2012 at 11:32amRealBlind, Ha. You see, you have no clue on how to research, why don’t you go back to grade school and listen this time around, but do it in a private school instead of your socialist public school. Rule 38 does keep states from binding delegates using a unit rule (there are ways for states to get around this rule), however, you see, it is a federal law, 42 USC 1971 that unbinds the delegates section (b) if you have not been paying attention and federal law DOES trump state law and party rules. Rule 11 is where the RNC is not allowed to back a certain candidate if another is in the race for the nomination. Priebus violated that rule and he will pay for it. In fact there could be
Report Post »RICO charges after the dust settles, I am looking forward to that.
LeadNotFollow
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 5:55pm…
Report Post »Obama robbed the Social Security Savings Account, then cut out a lot of elderly folk’s benefits. Things they really need.
These folks paid into the system their whole adult lives and when they needed their S.S. benefits, it was not there for them.
In my opinion, Obama is a thief, a liar, and a traitor.
Puddle Duck
Posted on August 13, 2012 at 4:55amShare your story in detail. People need to know the truth about what is coming (for our seniors). We must force R&R to fully repeal Obamacare and Dodd/Frank on the first 60 days of the new Admin (should the GOP attain majorities in the House/Senate and win the Oval office).
Report Post »fixer
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 5:53pmThe more noise that the left makes over Ryan,the more I am sure Mitt chose the right guy! There is gonna be the biggest landslide in November that the world has EVER seen.
Report Post »beekeeper
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 6:19pmGonna be hard to top the Reagan Landslide of 1980 – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1980
Report Post »bigdaddyt46
Posted on August 13, 2012 at 6:40am@beekeeper
Regan beat that record in 1984 by winning 49 out of 50 states(if memory serves my only Iowa voted for Mondale).
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 5:53pmBravo for giving them back some of the crap they have been saying. Its time to call them for what they are. No more being gentlemen, we are fighting for the very soul of America. This is the most corrupt and nasty administration that America has ever had in it history.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 6:19pmMake certain that EVERY senior you know hears the TRUTH …. some of them just watch the MSM evening news .. and they WON’T get it there!
Keep them informed and keep reminding them .. right up to the election then be SURE THEY VOTE!
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 5:37pmObama wins the debate without being there.
Tell me where in the constitution it says that men with guns should go around collecting money from productive people to give to others?
Medicare and SS are unconstitutional. FDR’s chief counsel went before the SCOTUS (Steward Machine vs. Davis and Helvering v. Davis) and admited it was a tax and not insurance premiums. Even still FDR himself, threatened to expand and load the court to get his way. He was a tyrant. Freedom died a little then.
Regardless, the GOP now is playing on Obama’s turf conceding that SS, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. are some sort of sacred cows that must be preserved for generations. They aren‘t they are yokes of oppression for kids who aren’t even born yet. And,they aren’t constitutional.
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 5:55pmDo you want them to just do away with those programs? Then what would happen?
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 5:57pm@Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Report Post »You might as well give it up. You Paulbots are not going to convince any sane people to vote for 0bama. We’re not going to do it by actually pulling the 0bama lever or by casting a write-in vote for somebody who lost the nomination.
progressiveslayer
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 5:58pmYes all those programs and many more are unconstitutional yet those programs exist and for the life of me I don‘t understand how ’conservatives’ support the idea of having these unconstitutional programs around in the first place. Also FDR wanted to tax corporations on profits they didn’t earn,a tyrant indeed just like BHO aka BS the skinny Marxist POS currently dismantling our republic.
Report Post »chips1
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 6:09pmNo problem. Obama‘s progressives don’t intend for there to be any future children. The churches will be forced to pay for it. Typical muslim way to destroy the free world.
Report Post »RANGER1965
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 6:20pmYou miss the real point if you start arguing whether or not Social Security or Medicare is constitutional. It doesn’t matter anymore, because they’ve been around unchallenged long enough that over 100 million have it, and are dependent on it.
For better or worse, the American system of governance is in the end; a game of numbers. The question is this:
How many people can you get to vote for you if you challenge Medicare and Social Security? If the answer is “Less than the other guy.” Then you lose no matter how great your idea’s are.
Even if we cannot afford the programs, and continuing them would break our nation in half, it doesn’t matter unless you can convince more people than the other guy, that it’s true.
As fascist as it may seem, I long for the day where citizenship, and the right to vote is no longer a right afforded to Americans by birth, but is somthing earned by service. Our founders envisioned a goverment populated by our best. Wise men and women chosen by their peers for their ability, and merit. People of honor with qualities that were shining examples of America.
Look at the pig sty Washington has become. I hate to go all Robert Heinlein about this, but I see no other solution, and it might be too late anyway.
Report Post »Polarized America
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 6:25pmGood Lord– NHWINTER– have you been sleeping ? What do you think Conservative means ?
Report Post »or in this case -far right – If you want these programs then you’re more -center right-
and the game is,–about moving the –center line —–
NHwinter
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 6:34pmOur founders envisioned a goverment populated by our best. Wise men and women chosen by their peers for their ability, and merit. People of honor with qualities that were shining examples of America.
Isn’t it sad to see what we have now. There is only a handful of people like that in government today. How far we have fallen from that beautiful idea.
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 6:37pmPolarized America – I asked him a question. You couldn’t get more right than I am!!!!! Don’t go where you do not know what you are talking about. I hate it when people make judgements on people they don’t even know.
Report Post »BetterInformed
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 7:08pmRanger
There are not 100 million people on medicare. There are 100 million people on some from of government assistance. This includes free lunches etc. The sky isn’t falling.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 7:21pm@Ranger, I don‘t think we’re all that far appart, even though we’re not on the same page this election cycle, but I do like the hell out of you and your posts. I think you‘re one of us in the remnant that just hasn’t fully come to grips with it yet for whatever reason. I like the idea of earning the right to vote as long as everyone has the opportunity to do so. It will never happen though and it‘s a pretty radical idea I haven’t thought all the way through.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 5:34pmThere are not very many people in Washington that don’t have a lot of blood on their hands, and they don’t care about it. The political show of pointing fingers at which side has more blood on their hands isn’t relevant. So many people are going to die either through war or when the Keynesian bubble crashes, and both sides are fine with it. I find it really disingenuous this clown pretends to care about that.
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 7:35pmNo conservatives aren’t happy with it, they are just screwed, the liberals don’t like to play fair, have most of the money, it takes a lot of money to win on a national level, so they bought both sides, and sit there destroying our civilization and profiting off the suffering.
Report Post »www.TopTheNews.com
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 5:31pmIt’s pretty simple: there are too many people taking and not enough people putting in. That simple fact seems to elude about half of the country…
Report Post »Diann
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 6:34pmAre you talking Social Security or Medicare? Social Security is going bankrupt because the Democrats put the Social Security fund into the general fund. Democrats and Republicans have spent what was suposed to be “untouchable”. Yes there are less people contibuting, but look at the unemployment figures. People are out of work and not contributing anything!
There is so much fraud and abuse in Medicare this is the biggest reason that “entitlement” is going bankrupt. Now Obama has taken $700 billion out of it!! NEITHER of these programs are “entitlements”. We the American working class and our employers have been contirubing all of our working lives! It”s the crooks in Washington that have robbed us!!.
Report Post »SCREW-WINDOWS
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 6:36pmDemocrats can’t get it through their heads what they are doing take Michigan for example. Tax people into oblivian so the business and working people leave and leave the dependent non paying behind. The same with the Country tax them into oblivian and they move out of the country leaving the non paying dependents behind. Their solution is not to create more payers but to increase taxes on the payers who are left forcing them to consider leaving the country again leaving the non payers behind.
Report Post »I beleive these people have no logic or reasoning skills or maybe they are just dumb the truth is right there in plain sight all they have to do is look.
SCREW-WINDOWS
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 6:42pm@ Diann
Report Post »You hit the nail on the head placing all funds into the general funds is the true problem until we get back to having secured accounts again it is not salvageable. Nothing any longer is spent on it‘s intended purpose and it’s not just the Federal Government it’s throughout all Governments right down to your City.
DIVINEPROVIDENCE1776
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 5:30pmDeep Fried Chicken Storm coming in November Obama and company. Romney/Ryan 2012! Let’s get this done.
Report Post »NancyBee
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 6:50pmYeah!!!
Report Post »TelepromoterNChief
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 7:54pmOh come on now.
Report Post »We want the Obamas tolea e.
You think they will when you bring fried chicken?!
TelepromoterNChief
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 7:55pmEdit: to leave
Report Post »burke
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 5:27pmThat’s not the only reason the Muslim has blood on his hands, Anyone heard of fast & furrious?
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