Book Claims Romney Tried to Get Pregnant Mom to Give Her Baby Up for Adoption
- Posted on January 12, 2012 at 6:31pm by
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There’s a controversy brewing over a new book alleging that Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney once pressured a woman to give her baby up for adoption.
The book, called “The Real Romney,” documents an incident that purportedly unfolded back in 1983 when Romney was a Mormon Bishop.
The woman, Peggie Hayes, was a single mother who was raising a young daughter at the time of her pregnancy. Romney, then a leader in her church, apparently helped set Hayes up with “odd jobs” with church members, as she has been quoted as saying that “he did a lot” to help her in the past.
When Hayes became pregnant, authors Michael Kranish and Scott Helman document a conversation during which Romney apparently sat down with Hayes and mentioned the church’s adoption agency. Hayes says she wanted to have the second child and that she came to realize that Romney wanted her to give her son-to-be up for adoption.
In an article in Vanity Fair that includes excerpts from the book (with the very subjective title “The Dark Side of Mitt Romney”), Kranish and Helman have published portions of their book. Here’s a section that explains the alleged interaction between Romney and Hayes:
Hayes was deeply insulted. She told him she would never surrender her child. Sure, her life wasn’t exactly the picture of Rockwellian harmony, but she felt she was on a path to stability. In that moment, she also felt intimidated. Here was Romney, who held great power as her church leader and was the head of a wealthy, prominent Belmont family, sitting in her gritty apartment making grave demands. “And then he says, ‘Well, this is what the church wants you to do, and if you don’t, then you could be excommunicated for failing to follow the leadership of the church,’” Hayes recalled.
In the end, Hayes had her child and she inevitably left the Mormon church. Following the birth of the child, she called Romney and asked for his support. When he didn’t show up at the hospital to support her and her baby (who was having surgery following his birth), she decided to leave the faith.
Business Insider’s Michael Brendan Dougherty describes the Romney article as follows:
As Mitt Romney advances closer and closer to the Republican nomination, the media is attempting to “vet” him for anything negative in his past.
And, so far, the attempt is pathetic. [...]
You would think that Vanity Fair would pick the most salacious and incriminating details of his life. If this is it, then his personal and business life seems squeaky clean. Especially by the standards of politicians. He’s a choir-boy.
The article takes on other subjects as well, including abortion and Romney’s time at Bain Capital. You can read it here.
(H/T: Huffington Post)
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Comments (161)
9635kari
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 7:39pmSour grapes!!!! I am a Mormon who has had a husband in leadership in the church. I do not believe for one minute that he told her she would be “excommunicated”. The long knives are out and by the time this election is over, the public will be asked to believe that we molest children in Sunday School! For all you commenting on this and other stories about Mormonism. Before you throw out things you know nothing about, either study it or shut the pie hole!!
Report Post »garyM
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 8:05pmDNA testing will clear this up, no problem!
Report Post »tersky
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 8:26pmShe’s right. Yes, the church does encourage single pregnant women to give their children up for adoption, and anyone who can see through the emotion to the facts and stats should have no trouble understanding why. This woman was probably living on church welfare, possibly even having the church pay her rent, and she’s popping out kids without dads. The US Government might put up with that kind of abuse, but the LDS church generally doesn’t.
And for those who think that excommunication is a bad thing: IF he did mention the possibility of her getting excommunicated, it wouldn’t have had anything at all to do with her not giving the child up, but with the fact that she was screwing around outside of marriage. When a person is baptized into the church he or she is expected to at least try to keep the commandments, and the breaking of the “Law of Chastity” is definitely breaking the baptismal covenants. Excommunication releases a person from the responsibilty to live by that covenant.
It is private, and if anyone spreads a rumor about someone being excommunicated, the rumor-monger would be the one doing wrong, not the person who was excommunicated. Nobody shuns them, they just can’t have any church jobs (what we call callings) other than participating in the choir or… I think Boy Scouts. They can’t give talks or prayers in church meetings and they are not allowed to pay tithing.
If and when the person wants to come back into “full-fellowship”, they are welc
Report Post »tersky
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 8:28pmoops…
…welcomed back with rejoicing. Such a (re)baptism is usually a very private affair, with only those closest family members and leaders who have helped the person on their journey back.
Report Post »lilnomics
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 9:29pmMaybe if she wanted to have an abortion and he told her about adoption.
Report Post »Abraham Young
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 9:35pmYeah, this story is a big snooze. AS IF a person would ever get excommunicated for getting pregnant. That’s the wildest lie ever concocted.
I counseled my own daughter to give up her baby, but didn’t expect she would do it. Of course she did not, I also counseled the young man to be a man and face up to his responsibiliities. He did. They got hitched. They have their troubles, but they are a FAMILY.
I’m not voting for Romney, but this story has no whiff of truth to it.
Report Post »Grannie4news
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 9:38pm@GaryM: What in the world would a DNA test do to substantiate this tale? She never said he was the father. You had better read the article again. My daughter an LDS member, as I am also, had my grandson out of wedlock and nothing of the kind happened to her. There is more to this story than meets the eye I am sure. What else is new with Vanity Fair such a fair minded and unbiased magazine…..NOT!
Report Post »ghostsouls
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 9:56pmLord forbid that someone acting in a ministerial position actually give advice that had christian values……
Report Post »MAC12ME
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 11:25pmIt is going to be a very long year. Obviously they don’t have much on Mitt and are grabbing at straws already. Pathetic.
Report Post »MOfreedom
Posted on January 13, 2012 at 1:41amit is my understanding that in order for someone to be excommunicated from the church they first have to have had their temple ordinances done. If this woman was a single mother (im guessing the the baby was conceived out of wedlock) then that would have been the first issue. That would have been the very thing that got her excommunicated. Not that she wouldn’t give up her son. That is why I do not believe this story. And if this woman left the church because she was offended, she obviously wasn’t there for her overwhelming testimony…just a thought
Report Post »GeddyWanaBe
Posted on January 13, 2012 at 2:44amGood points. It’s very unlikely she was threatened with excommunication. To se ti strait, you don’t have to have gone through the temple to be excommunicated but there is a greater accountability for those who have. I seriously doubt that any Christian, Mormon or otherwise, would disagree that a child born out of wedlock to a single mother would be better off in a loving two parent home. While some individuals make it work, children are always better off with a mother and a father, all things being equal. The LDS Church very strongly believes in families that have two loving parents because mothers and fathers have different roles and strengths. Heaven forbid someone should expect some personal responsibility.
Report Post »SekndAmendment
Posted on January 13, 2012 at 3:00am@TERSKY
…nailed it. I agree 100%. As a male Mormon myself and living two years of my life teaching the Gospel to people in a foreign language over seas, I can promise any and all who read this article that the woman was not excommunicated for refusing to put her child up for adoption. Whatever the real reason may have been, she had ample opportunity to make right on her mistakes but chose not to. We didn’t kick her out, her own behavior alienated her from LDS beliefs and culture. She left of her own accord. An excommunication is just fancy talk for the paper work that accompanies someone walking out on our church. Most who are excommunicated knew it was coming for years and still chose to continue their behavioral patterns rather than change to meet the requirements of membership.
Report Post »TomFerrari
Posted on January 13, 2012 at 6:03amAccording to the article, she “CAME TO REALIZE” he wanted her to put her child up for adoption.
Report Post »Sounds like it what she INFERRED, rather than what he SAID.
I’m no Romney fan, but, this is the worst thing they can dig up?
Polwatcher
Posted on January 13, 2012 at 9:33amRomney stooped real low when he went negative against Gingrich and Gingrich is now returning the favor.
BUT…NO ONE stoops as low as the Democrats. By the time the Democrats get going, Romneys current battles with conservative Republicans will seem like tiddley winks. This is only the beginning.
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on January 13, 2012 at 12:03pmI was sad to hear Pat Gray deliberately misconstrue this story into an adoption-versus-abortion angle.
That’s not how The Blaze presented it. The quote above is “She told him she would never surrender her child,” presumably that means in abortion, since abortion isn’t mentioned even once in the article.
Bottom line: Adoption as an option to prevent an abortion is one thing. Adoption because the leadership of your “church” forces you at the threat of excommunication is something entirely different.
Sorry, Pat. The blind defense of Mormons for the sake of defending Mormonism without knowing the facts reported by your own company is inexcusable and indefensible.
Report Post »flagkeeper
Posted on January 13, 2012 at 12:19pmIf anything, grounds for excommunication would have been on chastity. That baby did not come from the stork. Asking her if she would be willing to give the baby up for adoption, if anything, would be indicative that she wanted to get her life in order. Especially, given that the assistance she likely required in her situation as a single mom included drawing from the tithes of other members. Where is her consideration for them? This is about accountability. NO one made her get pregnant. No one made her give her baby up. No one made her agree to live the law of chastiy or even join the church for that matter. The real issue is that she wanted whatever she did to be ok with the church. The help she wanted was not truly help. She wanted to be enabled. The fact that this discussion even occured after she broke the law of chastity shows that the church wanted to help her right her life, not merely perpetuate her existence. It always comes down to pride…
Report Post »Mlazare
Posted on January 13, 2012 at 12:26pm9635KARI – I think each church may be different. My own experience with the LDS has been very negative – from the missionary who shoved my nine year old when she tried to hug him to the Sunday school teacher that told my kids drinking Pepsi would result in them going to hell to the home “teacher” who insisted that, when God says “wine” in the bible He actually means “grape juice” and that Jews don’t actually drink alcohol (my dad is Jewish, so I know), I have a very negative opinion of the church. Since my mother in law insists none of these are indicative of this religion (she’s very active in it), is it possible that, since those who perform as leadership are not officially taught, each has it’s own subset of beliefs?
Report Post »hanger3281
Posted on January 13, 2012 at 7:19pmI know much more about Mormon’s that you do. No mormon for prez, never.
Report Post »joyandpain75
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 4:45pmIf you saw the pic of the child then you would know that the boy his Mitt’s. He have the same dark hair, eyes, long face like him. I bet he sent him a nice check to keep him quiet too. If it‘s not the milkman than it’s the Bishops creeping with the babysitters.
Report Post »SHIPMONEY100TRILLION
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 7:38pmPerry or Santoram or I don’t vote.
Report Post »3monkeysmomma
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 7:46pmSo you want either Perry, the guy who loves illegals, eminent domain, and the TSA groping innocent civilians in violation of the 4th Am. or Santorum who likes the NDAA, The (anthing but a) Patriot Act and who wants to finish bankrupting America by taking to war with Iran?
Why don’t you just cut to the chase and vote for Obama?
Report Post »barber2
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 7:47pmDecember 11, 2011 was the date you joined the Blaze. Am sure we know for whom you will vote and it is none of these conservatives !
Report Post »Liekiller
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 8:52pmI don‘t care if you don’t vote. But whatever else you do…PLEASE DON’T PROCREATE!
Report Post »cgent47
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 9:15pmWake up. Any of the republicans would be better than whats in the white house now. Mitt or Ron will take this country in a new direction. A protest vote is a vote for Obama. My man would have been Paul Ryan. But I will vote for anyone but Obama.
Report Post »Chuck Stein
Posted on January 13, 2012 at 1:08am@ liekiller
Report Post »That was mean. I remember a leftist at college saying pretty much the same thing to me. Now I tell each of my 5 children that story to show how some people let politics get the better of them (and, in particular, how leftists can be) — that leftist in 1989 had no idea how he was helping me to help my kids avoid the error of leftist politics.
MOfreedom
Posted on January 13, 2012 at 1:43amWow, may as well vote for Obama cause neither of those guys stand a chance… Have you never heard the term lesser of the two evils? you might want to consider it because it is people like you that got Obama into office last elections.
Report Post »OperationNorthwoods
Posted on January 13, 2012 at 4:14am“Perry or Santoram or I don’t vote”.
Report Post »Dude you can’t even spell your candidates name correctly.
SHIPMONEY100TRILLION
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 7:38pmRomney THE BIG PROGESSIVE POLITICAL WHORE.
Report Post »Latter-Day-Soldier
Posted on January 13, 2012 at 2:43amSubstitute Billary, she’s on her 2nd run inside the White House
Report Post »crazyrightwingmom
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 7:37pmAnd how about that lovely picture of MItt? Have you ever seen such of terrible picture of this extremely good looking man. He looks like the evil devil bishop of the evil mormon church.
Report Post »livedasawsj
Posted on January 13, 2012 at 12:27amMaybe he is
Report Post »Latter-Day-Soldier
Posted on January 13, 2012 at 2:46amAll that’s missing are the devil horns, gotta love all the anti-Mormon propaganda and character assassination attempts.
Report Post »SHIPMONEY100TRILLION
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 7:36pmPerry or Santoram or I don’t vote. Romney is a nothing but a Socialist Progessive Communist Political Whore.
Report Post »bestartist
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 8:01pmObama will thank you for your vote
Report Post »fullblownjackass
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 8:05pmYup, go ahead and vote for a guy that sadly has two feet but only one mouth to put them in or a big govt. big spending guy that helped get us where we are today…in debt. Or don’t vote which means you vote for Barry O by default. Actually the bitter anti capitalist hobbit Newton LEEEEEEEEROY sounds like your guy.
Report Post »PJL
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 7:35pmPlease lets hear the whole story was she having kids out of wedlock? As a Bishop he would tell her the church adoption agency was an option, if she needed. As for excommunication, if she is having affairs sure she could be, not the end of the world if she got it togeather (morally) she would be re-fellowship. As far as him not being at the hospital, he may have had other duties to attend to, that is where the relief society ladies and home and visiting teachers come in not the Bishop. This whole story reeks of lying, smear job how about the timing ????
Report Post »neverending
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 7:42pmUndoubtedly a smear job!
Report Post »Luke611
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 8:02pmBishop Romney would have confided with her to explore all her options. He would have informed her of adoption policy as per her request if she was over 18. If she was under 18 he could not have had the discussion with her without a legal guardian present. The conversation would have taken place in the Bishops office and He would have NEVER been in her apartment as the conditions are presented.
Pitiful, the woman bit a hand of the people who were feeding her. Obviously multiple children without fathers says a great deal concerning the sad young girl’s character. The day will come when she will overcome her youth,…and she will be able to say she is a friend of President Romney.
You people sicken me how you seek to extort something so unfortunate to acheive your goal.
Report Post »tersky
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 8:34pmYep. Blaming others for her lack of commitment to living a life that isn’t always easy. She is a sad and angry person. I know a few people who have been excommunicated, and they either come back, better for the experience, or they keep blaming others for their problems.
Report Post »tersky
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 8:35pmumm…maybe not ‘better’, but ‘wiser’.
Report Post »one.dakine.howlie
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 7:34pmThis is complete B.S!!! If all readers of this article wanting to know the truth behind this woman’s story listen up. This woman wanted an ABORTION. It is the church’s policy that anyone undertaking an abortion that is unnecessary is subject to church discipline which is excommunication. The LDS Church despises abortions. They only allow it in cases where the life of the mother is at stake.
Report Post »The other issue here is the church is against sexual conduct outside of marriage. She obviously was having a sexual relationship outside of marriage since she was a single mother and got pregnant. While this isn‘t in line to be excommunicated it was still Romney’s job as her bishop to discuss violations of that commandment and the issues it causes.
Another issue is that she was receiving financial help directly from the church because of her situation as a single mother. However if she violates certain commandments the bishop can refuse that help if he finds the member not willing to repent and change their actions.
As for Romney giving council to her about giving the baby for adoption: The church is adamant about there being a husband and wife to raise a family. It is constantly taught in the church. If a woman becomes pregnant outside of marriage the church usually advises the woman to give the baby up for adoption where that baby can be raised by a loving husband and wife. It‘s the mother’s choice however.
This woman’s story was taken out of context in so many
countrysideflair
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 9:47pmI’m not even a Mormon and I heard of this story too, and it was indeed an abortion.
Report Post »momsense
Posted on January 13, 2012 at 6:14amIf you accept the church, then accept it’s dogmas too. To think you were above their laws is stupid.
Report Post »conservativewoman
Posted on January 13, 2012 at 11:44amIf the Mormon church is against abortions, then why was Romney pro-choice at one time?
Report Post »Just asking!
barber2
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 7:33pmReady. Aim. Fire. Cain all gone ? Ah, the Character Assassination of Mitt Romney will now begin. ( while we still are not permitted to see the school records of Barack Obama , although Occidental College records show that a Barry Soetoro received financial aid as ” a student from Indonesia.” ) And will someone please put a sock in Newt Gingrich and give our historian a good economics lesson !
Report Post »garyM
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 7:58pmThis is easy cleared up, DNA testing, Romney can submit to a DNA of him and the child to prove his innocence or his guilt. I’m betting on guilt. I’m betting he want submit to DNA testing! I’m glad this came up, now we’ll find out about the real Romney!
Report Post »Joey8
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 8:40pm@Gary
Report Post »what story were you reading?
PGMike
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 8:41pm@garym
Report Post »Are you crazy or just stupid? No one is suggesting that this was Mitt’s baby. He was her church leader and he was counseling with her. Read the story before you spout off and reveal your ingnorance. “It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.”
Latter-Day-Soldier
Posted on January 13, 2012 at 2:53amHey Garym:
Be sure to let everyone know how that foot-powder tastes after pulling your foot out of your mouth.
Report Post »momrules
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 7:21pmNo Romney fan here but this sure sounds like a put up job to spin and distort the truth. This is just more of the same cr-p that ruined Herman Cain.
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 7:15pmWhy do I think this lady is somehow related to ‘thetruthshallsetyoufree’ and ‘martinez0152’? Okay, that was uncalled for, but that segment of the book oozes with anti-mormon lies. No one would ever be excommunicated for not giving up a baby for adoption. I don’t doubt the option of adoption was presented to her, free of charge, but I know it was never pushed on her. As for the assertion that Romney wouldn’t come to see the baby prior to a surgery is totally false. Anyone who knows any bishop in our Church, knows that they jump at the chance to do service (all of our clergy do the work 100% free, and the many hours spent in that position is done as a service – even his alleged visit to her apartment).
At least we are getting a glimpse into Obama’s game plan.
Report Post »crazyrightwingmom
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 7:34pmI agree….that is totally false. And NEVER grounds for excommunication, so I know she is lying.
If he didn’t hop over to her hospital room it may have been because he was out of town or doing the million other things Bishops do because they have other jobs…but someone would have come from the Church…that is what is done. She has women and men assigned to her to help her. Everyone has a Home Teacher or Visiting Teacher to take care of all their needs.
He may have offered adoption as an option, but not in the way she said.
Report Post »garyM
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 7:34pmIt sounds like the Romney I know. It also sounds like the Mormon faith and the brotherhood sticking together come hell or high water!
Report Post »barber2
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 7:44pmGARYM: Am sure you have a close, personal relationship with Romney….
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 7:46pm@CRAZYRIGHTWINGMOM –
Good point. I too know personally that members of our faith literally PRAY for chances to do service for those in need. If a single mom was in the hospital and the baby was about to go through surgery, she would be completely swamped with people asking to help, give priesthood blessings etc. Lets not forget how the great Relief Society women would have dinners and babysitting lined up for the next two months!
Report Post »dmforman
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 7:14pmBreed what you can feed.
Really tired of woman who get pregnant by multiple men and want others to support her decision in keeping a baby that she can’t afford or support her financially.
I cannot be happy for any child whom is being born into a situation that is not good from the beginning. If Mit did this, than I respect him for trying to help the child have a better life.
This woman reminds me of the women that came out against Herman Cain. They all need to get a life. Why come out now, when he has been in the media for so long. Wonder how much she is getting paid.
Report Post »geonj
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 7:06pmany pastor would offer adoption as an alternative to aa single mom. let’s not turn this into lefty nonsense,
Report Post »marvel
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 7:00pmOkay… So what? I don’t see anything here that really hurts Romney.
The story itself is dubious, considering the fact that the Church does not have a policy of “excommunicating” people for keeping a baby instead of adoption in any case. The Church does indeed encourage very young single mothers to consider adoption as a way of helping the mother and child have the very best opportunity in life, and especially as an alternative to abortion (see https://www.itsaboutlove.org/ial/ct/eng/site/pregnant/). The choice of whether to keep the child or put her up for adoption lies ultimately with the mother.
However, latter-day saints who submit to, perform, encourage, pay for, or arrange for an abortion may be subject to Church discipline (see http://lds.org/study/topics/abortion?lang=eng). There are clearly some parts of the story missing.
Report Post »restorehope
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 7:19pmIf this is typical of the left’s smear tactics, then they are really in trouble and grasping at straws. This is a weak jab at Romney that cannot be substantiated. Now too bad they did not go after Clinton like this back in the day. He actually was a transgressor with verifiable proof that he was guilty of adultery right in the Oval Office. Now THAT”S being bad!
Report Post »jonwillis480
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 6:53pmTypical Anti-Mormon Bullcrap. I guarantee you that we are only hearing 10% of the story, just like every Ex-Mormon disillusionment story out there. The Church would NEVER excommunicate someone for something as dumb as this. You will see Anti Mormonism at its strongest this year when Mitt becomes the nominee. “Ye shall know them by their fruits.” Anti-Mormons are like Liberals, they only speak in half truths, they demonize, name call and refuse to take responsibility for their own actions etc. Mitt Romney’s faith will be dragged through the mud by the Left and the Hypocritical Evangelicals preachers. This lady was probably milking the church welfare system and wasn’t keep her commitments (i.e. finding a steady job, keeping the commandments etc.) Unlike the government welfare system which allows people to “milk” without any responsibility, the LDS Church has programs set up that do help people in need, but also help them get out of their situation. If the person only takes from the church but doesn’t put forth any effort on their part to change their situation then the church could cut them off (meaning welfare not excommunication). The LDS church has one of the most efficient welfare systems in the world, because it doesn’t make people reliant on the welfare itself, it helps them get education, better jobs and a path out of welfare. This lady in the article sounds like your typical “milker” and I am 100% positive that she is lying about Mitt.
Report Post »Emanuel Goldstein
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 7:00pmI could not have said this better. Well done.
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 7:22pmright on
Report Post »another pucker
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 8:37pmNot all Mormons are perfect. I have several family members on both sides of my family who are Mormon and every church has their crazies and lazies. My uncle lived in a house on 25 acres of land that my grandparents let him live in for over 20 yrs, he never paid a dime or even held a steady job, all because after my grandad retired in Arkansas he wanted to move back to it in Texas. Well my grandad died and as soon as he did my uncle drove to Arkansas took his truck, his guns and anything else he wanted. He preaches the Mormon church all while behaving this way and it disgust me and turns me off to The Church that I would like to know more about, but not from this guy! He is supposedly high up in his local church becuase of some classes he’s taken, I wonder if they know how he really acts? Would they still allow him in the church? He did tell his son, when he got a girl pregnant, that if they did not get married he would not be allowed in the church anymore! And my grandmother has said when she dies he will probably just dump her in a ditch! Maybe some people have a bad opinion of The Church because of the way some people in The Church behave! That goes for any Church no matter the name on the door. This story does not even scratch the surface of some I could tell! Just the least offensive!
Report Post »PGMike
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 8:51pm@another,
Report Post »Your story does not ring true at all. No Mormon rises in church leadership, “becuase of some classes he’s taken” If you knew anything about the church you would know that is totally not how the church works. You are right that not all Mormons are perfect, and we do not claim that all of us are perfect. Far from it. We know we are all sinners and fall short of the glory of God.
The fact is that this story is just a hit piece on the front runner. If this is the worst they have, here comes President Romney!!!! He counseled with a woman about the best life for her child and let her know that her actions (fornication and rebelling against her church leaders) endangered her membership in her church. Oh, and don’t forget, he didn’t run right to the hospital when she needed something. Wow, what an awful person Mitt is.
ZengaPA65
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 6:53pmPlastic Teleprompterman Romnobama *yawn*
Report Post »JPDevuyst
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 6:52pmGotta love the left. I’m sure there may be a spec of truth to the incident, but as with EVERY OTHER MEDIA OUTLET, I assume there is exaggeration or removal of context here…
Report Post »momsense
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 6:51pmMy one grand is an adoptee—. I’m so glad that her birth mother listened to someone who gave her good advice. Spoiling her and her sister is great fun for someone who only had a boy.
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 6:51pmIf she was thinking of an abortion, I’d understand.
SMH
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 6:45pmIf he woulda told her to abort the child , he would be a hero of the Left…..
Report Post »crazyrightwingmom
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 7:35pmGreat..funny!
Report Post »barber2
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 7:39pmYes. The Alsinski technique : hold your opponent to his standards which are higher than yours. And them target, isolate, and destroy him for failing to meet those standards. Pure Alinski. Pure Democrat Character Assassination tactic. ( The Democrats’ last victim was Cain. They can’t face the 2012 election against another black man. How could they play the Race Card ? )
Report Post »bullcrapbuster
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 6:44pmSo it appears that she wanted to keep having babies out of wedlock and then wanted her bishop to support her decisions. If she wanted to keep having babies she should have joined another church. She probably wasn’t excommunicated because it appears that she did not have much of an understanding of her responsibilities as a church member even though she probably knew full well that fornication is a serious sin and if unrepented can lead to excommunication.
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 6:59pmFornication is a serious sin? As opposed to what? Lying?
I don’t know what Mormon gnosticism teaches, but my Bible teaches that *all* sin is exceedingly sinful. No single sin is any worse than any other one.
Lying = murder = fornication = adultery = homosexuality = theft = blasphemy = cross dressing.
That said, yes. Fornication is a sin, but using your own standard, if you tell lies regularly and don’t repent of it you should be excommunicated from your church.
Ever given any thought to the sheer stupidity of excommunication? The very person you shun is the one who needs you the most.
Chalk up one more idiotic dogma for the Mormon church.
Report Post »MacPharlan
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 7:11pmActually, I don’t believe you will have church dissiplin for fornication unless you hold a position of authority.
As for differing levels of sin, I believe that, you don’t? So getting angry at my brother, or not telling the entire truth is at the same level of: attempted murder, murder, rape, abuse, adultery, homosexuality?
Wow, I just don’t get it, sorry.
Report Post »Barronmore
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 7:44pm@ Leftfighter;
You obviously do not understand how Excommunication works in the mormon church. Excommunication is a loss of church membership, the privilage of partaking of the lords supper (the Sacrament) and the companionship of the holy sprit until the one excommunicated fully repents and submits themselves for re-baptism. During their time of excommunication they are still welcomed and ecouraged to attend church meetings. (See D&C 46:4) She left the church of her own free will and is now trying to blame it on someone else.
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on January 13, 2012 at 6:36am@leftfighter : Everyone just hides it very well.
Report Post »Ajax_W_R
Posted on January 13, 2012 at 10:36am@LeftFighter, in response to your questions about what the Mormon church teaches, this is how I understand it:
Sin is sin. All sin separates the sinner from God. We separate ourselves from God when we sin. Jesus taught that murder is sin, and that being angry with someone is like that. Adultery is a sin, and lusting after someone in your mind is like that. All sin is terrible because it separates the individual from God. The only differences of degree in sin are in the steps needed to complete repentance, which are to have faith in Jesus Christ, confess, forsake, and make restitution. A lie is a serious sin and can cause a lot of damage, and while it isn’t always easy to confess a lie and make the truth known, it is easier to do that than to restore life to someone you have killed. God looks upon sin without allowance, however, He is merciful and through Christ we can achieve forgiveness if we meet the conditions of repentance, which, again, is to believe in Christ, confess, forsake, and make restitution.
Report Post »Fornication brings with it the possible creation of life outside of the sanctity of marriage. You can’t undo that, which limits restitution to never doing it again. In this vein it varies from lying because of the consequences regarding repentance and moving forward.
@leftfighter
Posted on January 13, 2012 at 2:36pm@Barronmore
Ok, so now I understand the Mormon version of excommunication. Romans teaches that if someone admits they’re a sinner, believes Jesus died on the cross for them, and confesses their sin, all sin (past, present, and future) is forgiven.
Mormons believe that if a man says you no longer have the companionship of the Holy Spirit, you no longer have forgiveness for your sin and even though you’re allowed to meetings, it means diddly because as someone who isn’t a companion of God, you don’t get to go to heaven.
Granted, you didn’t say that last part, but it’s Christianity 101 that a sinless God cannot abide unforgiven sin in Heaven, and one can only have the companionship of the Holy Spirit if the sin is forgiven.
In other words, you, a human, are summoning your god at will based upon the will of the church. That’s not biblical Christianity. Must be something you guys see in your gnostic text.
@searching for the Truth
The speck and the plank comes to mind. :-P
@Ajax_W_R
Right. All sin is sin. All of it seperates us from God, and God sees all of it the same way: exceedingly sinful.
You, the Catholics, and I don‘t have the power to pull someone from God’s hand or remove his (or in this case, her) covenant with the Holy Spirit. see also: John 10:28-29
For a group of people so adamant that what Christianity became prior to John Smith *ahem* finding the plates had lost its way, you guys are sure following some of the same scurri
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on January 13, 2012 at 3:12pm@Ajax_W_R
For the record, I agree with you on most of it, it’s the theology that I find screwy, not the moral stand. She definitely shouldn’t be having kids out of wedlock, but if she is, it’s none of our business (nor is it the Church’s). It’s entirely between her and God.
I don’t recognize any of the LDS texts or teachings as Christian, so we’re gonna have to stick to what you recognize as Scripture, and yes, there are ample verses we all recognize as God‘s Word that say that we’re supposed to attempt to corrct the way of our brother, the sinner, lest we share in the sin (Leviticus).
My problem isn’t the correction or the advice given that one fact changed: if girl was having an abortion. She wanted to keep the kid and her comes Bishop Mittens telling her she has to give it up so that she can continue to be a part of the Church. Under that scenario, I’m bolting Mormonism as well.
Then again, having read and studied the Bible as the only Scripture with no “corrections” given to me by angels in the form of golden plates that only one person every saw (if they existed at all), I’d never be a Mormon in the first place because the whole thing is based upon (IMO) teachings that are gnostic at best and and at worst, heretical.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 6:44pmHey MSM .. how about we VET OBAMA .. it still isn’t too late …
So Romney in his roll in the Church talked with an unwed mother about the best interests of her child .. my goodness that is something isn’t it. I thought that getting counseling was a good thing .. don’t progressives push that for rapists and murderers. From what I was reading he asked her if she had considered it or knew about the program hardly wrong or shocking. So then when the baby was born and he wasn’t right there to support HER decision she left the church . .. again her decision .. no one forced her to do anything.
Report Post »momrules
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 7:49pmCATB………..Your question is falling on deaf ears. They will never tell the truth about Obama because they have invested too much in him. I was called a racist before he was crowned because I dared to question him.
Report Post »valarie
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 6:43pmA family with a Mother and Father have been proven to produce much better results in raising children. Mitt was right on target for wanting the best for the child.
Report Post »CorpsmanToPA
Posted on January 13, 2012 at 8:01amWhile it is the best scenario, the child should always be with it’s own parent if possible. My sister was a single mom who did everything sh could to raise her son right; finished her degree in nursing, put him through private school, and now he has been serving our country as a Medic in the Army for 5 years. Don‘t play God withh other’s lives. That‘s just the problem with Mormon’s; they believe after this life they will be a god over their own world in the next – scary looney stuff when you think about it…the men think they are gods in training…with your lives! We do not need that as president.
Report Post »Ajax_W_R
Posted on January 13, 2012 at 10:39am@Corpsmantopa
Wha’ts so “scary” and “looney” about having a belief of life after death?
Report Post »Bonnieblue2A
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 6:43pmObama would have pushed her to have a late term abortion.
Report Post »MacPharlan
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 6:41pmI so call BS here, the church would never excom someone for not giving a baby up for adoption.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 6:44pmShe wasn’t .. looks like she left them .. .when she couldn’t extort them into supporting her, her kids and her decisions.
Report Post »justsohappy
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 11:03pmPerhaps not in your ward or your Stake, but in 1993, not to many years after this woman claims to have had this experience, a similar thing was told to me while I lived in Orem Utah.
Report Post »Clara88
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 6:37pmWhy are the media and the establishment pushing another candidate for President on us…. who has divided loyalties?? His father was born in Mexico. Is it because they know that Mitt will NEVER bring up that issue against Obama? If Romney becomes President we will NEVER find out anything about Obama OR his past. I want a President whose mother AND father were born in America…but hey…that’s just me.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 6:46pm@CLARA .. aren’t you an Obama supporter ??? Parents born in America??? LOL.
Report Post »Clara88
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 6:58pmNope..i support Rick Perry 1st and Newt 2nd
Report Post »3monkeysmomma
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 7:48pmClara88 is still suffering from the delusion Perry has a chance.
Report Post »Clara88
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 9:04pmLet’s let the voters decide…shall we?
Report Post »recoveringneocon
Posted on January 13, 2012 at 8:54amClara
Report Post »If newt or perry even looks like they a chance “The ezalB”, “nnelG” and the other 2 stooges will……. well lets just say you will be one busy girl. That reminds me, Take a look at the debates , when Ron Paul is talking to or about ricky santorum, they media always pans in on Perry. They dummies have the wrong Rick. I find that strange.
READRIGHTHERE
Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:19am@ clara
Sweetheart, they have.
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